I am actually getting life lessons out of this.. but this is on netflix I think. i just need to make the time, cut out youtube binging and getinto a real full length movie !
And it wasn't a single guy, it was a whole team behind Beane's approach. The movie takes some poetical licenses here and there, the message gets across though.
@@MalakianM2S yeah they needed the conflict to make it a good movie and I get it. Everyone being on board within the A’s organization would have made the movie boring. But the conflict portrayed was accurate at the time from the old timers and media involved in the game at the time.
the *weight* of how he says "ya don't" that first time, is utterly tremendous. that's great acting. take away all of Brad Pitt's beauty, glamour and famous ex-wives and girlfriends, and he is simply a GREAT actor
Yeah, but apart from the fact that he's beautiful, glamorous, with famous ex-wives and girlfriends and is also simply a great actor - what has the guy got? That and the money and fame, I mean. Part from that what has he got? Zilch, that's what. Nada.
You gotta feel for the Scout. He's had a whole career succeeding in a game he's mastered, only to be told his knowledge is all wrong and he's no longer valued. Pray you never find yourself in this situation. In our fast changing world it's becoming commonplace. But Billy gives hope that if you're willing/able to adapt then there's a new road for you.
Thanks Dan. I forgot I made this comment months ago so I returned to it with fresh eyes. Seems like a reminder many of us need these days, including me.
R T/X you didn’t reach even a tenth of the level this guy did. He isn’t some factory worker faxed out by automation he’s a highly skilled and committed person who got pushed out (granted this is fictional) because billy Beane couldn’t exorcise his own personal demons
@@dannytallmadge2161 You missed the entire concept of this movie. "If we try to play like the Yankees in here, we will lose to the Yankees out there". The scouts were using antiquated methods with evaluating players, and they just wanted to throw money at the problem. At the time that the book and movie are set in, skills like getting on base and plate discipline were drastically undervalued. Billy Beane capitalized on this market inefficiency, and the A's won as many games as the Yankees with less than a third of their payroll.
Johnny Bravo thats not the point of this scene. This is the most important scene in the movie and people think it’s actually about some trite observation like that- this scene is saying the scout is right. Paul deP came at it from a scientific/ economic POV billy Beane really was just fighting his own personal vendetta against scouts because he blamed them for not going to Stanford.
@@dannytallmadge2161 It seems like you're the one who missed the point of this scene. It exemplified the new school versus the old guard. The A's won as many games as the Yankees with a third of their payroll. Skills like plate discipline and getting on base were drastically undervalued at the time. This isn't even the most important scene in the movie, anyway. "If we try to play like the Yankees in here, we will lose to the Yankees out there." That's the most important line in the whole movie.
@@dannytallmadge2161 say you missed the whole point of the movie without saying you missed the whole point. That scout wanted to spend money that Brad pitt had already been denied by the owner at the start of the movie. Hell he had to offer to buy Ricardo Rincon on his own for the owner to give him 255k. The scout wanted to play like the Yankees payroll and its literally impossible with 100 million less. So they changed the way they thought about the game and the A's won as many games as the Yankees with a 3rd of the payroll.
What I know about how professional baseball used to work, I learned from reading the best sports book ever written, Ball Four. RIP Jim, still laughing 50 years later.
Jared Slye you are missing the whole of this scene. The point of this scene is that Grady was right moneyball was billy Beane being emo about his own failings. It worked kind of (and notice how it works less and less now that it can’t rely on roided out stars) but it absolutely wasn’t some scientific undertaking it was a personal vendetta
@@dannytallmadge2161 Lol have you actually seen the movie? It absolutely worked. The reason it doesn't anymore is because now the rich teams do it too.
@@dannytallmadge2161 This is not a world of absolutes. I think you are probably right that Billy Bean came to moneyball out a mistrust for the establishment, based on his own experience with it. But if it didn't have merit, he wouldn't have been able to get it to work. And it did work again the year the movie came out, with an even cheaper team than before. Which is even more remarkable because most teams have partly bought into the concept. They are not "All in" the way Oakland are, but every team now has a couple of misfit toys on their books, if only to cynically drive up the costs for other teams.
@@AllUpOns Smart teams have always done it. The 1927 Yankees have about a dozen guys who had OBP above or near .400. Not just Ruth & Gehrig. Damn near everybody. John McGraw, Miller Huggins, Ted Williams and Casey Stengel all KNEW about the value of getting on base. Economics has nothing to do with it. It's winning baseball.
"You guys really don't know when it's good or bad, when it comes right down to it. ... And I'm promising you right now, you don't know whether it's good or bad. You really don't know, because you don't know what we're trying to do, you guys don't look at the films, you don't know what happened, you really don't know. You think you know, but you DON'T KNOW, and you never WILL, okay?" - Jim Mora, New Orleans Saints
This actually never happened. Grady never was fired and actually got an opportunity with the Rangers and after talking to Billy Beane, he got the blessing to go and the A's got a nice chunk of $ in exchange. Grady is back with Billy now. Though I thought it was a good scene, it was bs.
A good scene and creates the necessary drama a movie is looking for. But, as you said, total BS. I can't think of any movie "based on a true story" that doesn't go Hollywood with the truth.
@@carltonreese4854 a 120 page script is never going to fully capture a totally fleshed out 3-dimensional "based on true" story with conflict and character development that people will actually want to watch without taking a few creative liberties
@@ivanvee7800 That's a Randall Wallace quote. Writer of many screenplays including Braveheart and The Patriot, which take similar liberties with the facts.
@@carltonreese4854 because it is not a documentary. That is what they are for. Because the truth is generally boring AF save for small doses. Case and point the movie Sully makes the government look like the bad guy when they were no such animal in that story. But Eastwood did a great job using to dramatic effect even if it has more to do with his generally backward political views than storytelling. It happened to work as a script.
To be told that you're not needed anymore is the dream. It's the epitome of success. Do you prefer see the goals reached or do you just care for the paycheck or praise?
I've actually watched almost the entire movie, beginning to end, just from all the great clips that have been posted on here on YT for the movie Margin Call (great movie). Not the best way to watch a movie, but you're right, Moneyball could get that same kind of treatment with all the brilliant scenes end to end.
I would skip any and everything related to the daughter. She drug the movie down IMO. I don't need a 10 year old singing a song about "life" and her confusion with it.
He got released because he wanted to do the job in a way that was incapable of being successful NOT because he couldn’t find talent. “If we try to be the Yankees in here we will lose to the Yankees out there..!”
though i do like it, there are so many things wrong about this movie. grady was not there for the 2002 season. he was with the rangers. there was no pete brand and beane was a sabermetrics guy since at least 97. he took the team to 2nd in the al west the year before using it.
Lou Gehrig... $1500 Phil Rizzuto... $100/month Mickey Mantle... $1100 Yogi Berra... $500 All were passed on by other clubs. "I can. I can." Paul Krichell, Tom Greenwade and others.
I always wondered, when he puts his hand on Billy's shoulder, was he preparing to fight him or doing it as a way to say "thanks" to Billy? I can't tell by the facial expression
It is sort of a sarcastic and arrogant way to say "thank you but you're gonna mess this team up" , don't ever do this in real life, it is disrespectful and someone might take it wrong..
@@diaphanoux I've always wondered what he was trying to do thank you for clearing that up. I assumed he was trying to get fired in his own unique way by Billy but didn't know exactly what the point of him doing that was.
The answer to the uncertainty of scouting and drafting isn’t less scouting. It’s more scouting. Whatever your scouting budget is … double it. Build a great farm system. Devote time into it. Build a critical mass of legit talent. Using analytics as a tool is good. Using it as a short-cut isn’t.
This movie was so great and pretty accurate with a lot of things which is why I always disliked that Grady got made into the character to represent all the old baseball scouts who were afraid of change. In reality the real Grady Fuson, by all accounts, was supportive of Beane and left the club voluntarily to be the assistant general manager of the Rangers.
Actually that was the overall problem with the accuracy of the film - a lot of the people portrayed as opposing Beane actually supported his ideas - including Art Howe. But it’s a movie so you have to have antagonists. Still a good film though
My only disappointment with the film is that you don't actually see much baseball at all. I feel that all of the stories are only superficially touched on. Like Billy's relationship with his daughter and family - just brief glimpses. I think they maybe didn't show too much of the baseball as they wanted it to appeal widely to all audiences. But I just found it all too simplistic of a movie.
Interesting they portray Grady as a royal prick here when in reality he was open to Billy’s approach. He wasn’t fired by the A’s, he left on his own on good terms.
If you think a $50 trillion equity market is scared by a $23 billion stock play, you're delusional. A few small fish financebros who had no business running hedgefunds got showed up, but no one who really matters in the big scheme of things cares.
One of favourite football quotes comes from David Moyes when he was at Everton 'statistics are like miniskirts, they give you lots of good ideas but hide what's really important'
The particular issue in this case was not the scouting of amateurs. It was the scouting of available free agents and how do we replace the players we lost without overspending.
Unfair criticism. NO ONE really knows for sure. The stats won't tell you either. A guy can have a great OBS one season and then an OBS 50 points less the next.
They used a larger sample size than one season. It’s even mentioned in the movie that when they get criticised for being 20-26, Peter Brand uses ‘sample size’ to justify being able to continue with the process when there are calls to fire both of them.
@@develynseether4426 This seen never happened but it's just a movie not a true documentary. Art Howe disliked it because it made him out to be a bad guy and most of that never happened either. Although Art was not a very good manager.
I think some scouts work really hard then just choose the person who seems like the obvious choice at the moment. Then they sell them that line to seal the deal. We can't predict the future should be told to every draft prospect. Then follow it with based on our evaluation here is where you will go in the draft. You have to show them the odds. And what the time table rate is to make to the big league. If you're fair you show them the odds for someone drafted in their round or overall position. Let them decide is Billy's point in the movie.
There is a take home message about "Moneyball" that deserves to be at least pointed out. The main premise of the movie is that math and statistics can make winners of any team (in pretty much any sport) during the regular season. This is because there are enough individual events (games) to let your stats and math do their thing. However, once a winning team gets to their goal of making it to the playoffs, all bets are off. Because in the playoffs there are such fewer events (games), what matters most is CLUTCH PERFORMANCE...a parameter that is very difficult to define statistically...at least with any degree of confidence. Take the case of the great Yogi Berra...probably the greatest clutch baseball player of all time. It's no coincidence that he holds the record for most World Series rings...see my point.
That was not the premise of the book or the movie. It's not about "math and statistics" making teams winners in the regular season. It's about using the limited resources you have to make the best of your situation. It's about competing in unfair circumstances. It's about finding value in areas undervalued in the mainstream. These theories have changed the game. Look what Boston did when they combined the Moneyball strategy with deep pockets? When you talk about "clutch" and the difference between the regular season and the post-season, you sound as naive and unaware as Joe Morgan.
BradPitt was alright but the real Billy Beane was 6-4 tall and the movie did a pretty good job to not let that fact be too noticeable. I think Pitt is like 5-10.
I love the movie and the character, but would anyone actually want to work for this guy? Seems like a pretty poor leader who does whatever he wants while everyone in the organization just sits around, not knowing what the fuck is going on.
That's not really what goes on, the movie took a lot of liberties. Art Howe agreed with the direction and he was portrayed as the bad guy. This even never actually happened.
This movie would have been better if they casted someone else besides brad pitt.. he's a good actor but sometimes it's like he's trying to hard to make his role a weirdo and it comes off cringe.. like this time
Of course they fail to mention that success is still mostly based on luck here. If there is one thing I've learned in life it's that 'success' (in the narrow way that most people define it) is about 10% skill, 20% persistence, and 70% luck. Most people just don't want to accept that it's almost totally out of their control. The team could just as easily lost 103 games. They won because they were fortunate that their group of young pitchers all came into their won at the same time. Beane had exactly zero to do with it.
Luck had nothing to do with it, there is no such thing as luck. People don't luck into being smart. Warren Buffet didn't get rich with luck. Billy Bean was making the right choices with the money he had, that's not being lucky that's being smart.
It's not about championships, it's about a paradigm shift in baseball--but you probably know that and posted an irrelevant comment anyway. Good for you, brilliance on display.
Players win championship all the time. How often does someone totally change the way the game is played? What the As did was bigger than the world series.
"You don't know" ... That's the truest statement. You look at some of the complete busts these people have. "You think you know - and ... you don't. You don't." 1998 NFL Draft, Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were the two top picks with a good bit of discussion as to who was better. It was assumed that both were good picks. Peyton was .. Ryan wasn't ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Leaf .
What can’t be predicted is the future. Commitment, discipline, family, life’s unknown circumstances, bad decisions, etc. Peyton had those things in his favor and overcame them when he didn’t. Ryan didn’t control the unknowns and made bad decision. That’s why two guys with physical ability end up in different places. One is destined for the HOF, the other isn’t. When people were debating who was better, they thought they knew, they didn’t…. they didn’t.
If youtube keeps this up I can see the entire movie in 1 minute clips or less.
LOL. That's what I've been doing this AM.
I’ve already seen half of the movie on RUclips…. Waiting for the rest of it….
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's actually kinda fun this way.
I am actually getting life lessons out of this.. but this is on netflix I think. i just need to make the time, cut out youtube binging and getinto a real full length movie !
A movie about a guy who overcame insurmountable odds and produced the longest AL win streak in history. Very impressive!
‘Til the INDIANS came along!
Go Tribe!
Never won a ring!
@@mayhemjr.803 so? Who cares.
@@ryanwarner5006 exactly...who cares?
@@mayhemjr.803 29 other teams considering what Oakland and Billy started in the 2000s is what every team does now.
You don't.
You don't.
sedanchair the new “how does this guy not have a best actor” actor after Leonardo finally won
Jonathan Poto because DiCaprio paid the correct ppl.
Thought he sounded a bit like the Joker : "No I'm not"
He didn't.
Not in the least.
Now he's fired
In reality, Fuson appreciated Beane's approach and left for Texas voluntarily.
And it wasn't a single guy, it was a whole team behind Beane's approach. The movie takes some poetical licenses here and there, the message gets across though.
@@MalakianM2S yeah they needed the conflict to make it a good movie and I get it. Everyone being on board within the A’s organization would have made the movie boring. But the conflict portrayed was accurate at the time from the old timers and media involved in the game at the time.
Great clip. This movie has so many great lines just like this.
Answer me after 8 yrs
the *weight* of how he says "ya don't" that first time, is utterly tremendous. that's great acting. take away all of Brad Pitt's beauty, glamour and famous ex-wives and girlfriends, and he is simply a GREAT actor
Yeah, I've got him somewhere between Walter Houston and Marlon Brando
Yeah, but apart from the fact that he's beautiful, glamorous, with famous ex-wives and girlfriends and is also simply a great actor - what has the guy got? That and the money and fame, I mean. Part from that what has he got? Zilch, that's what. Nada.
You gotta feel for the Scout. He's had a whole career succeeding in a game he's mastered, only to be told his knowledge is all wrong and he's no longer valued. Pray you never find yourself in this situation. In our fast changing world it's becoming commonplace. But Billy gives hope that if you're willing/able to adapt then there's a new road for you.
Thanks Dan. I forgot I made this comment months ago so I returned to it with fresh eyes. Seems like a reminder many of us need these days, including me.
He didnt get fired, he got a head scout job with the rangers, hollywood added this scene
R T/X you didn’t reach even a tenth of the level this guy did. He isn’t some factory worker faxed out by automation he’s a highly skilled and committed person who got pushed out (granted this is fictional) because billy Beane couldn’t exorcise his own personal demons
Boomers, will they ever learn?
@@dannytallmadge2161 You missed the entire concept of this movie. "If we try to play like the Yankees in here, we will lose to the Yankees out there".
The scouts were using antiquated methods with evaluating players, and they just wanted to throw money at the problem. At the time that the book and movie are set in, skills like getting on base and plate discipline were drastically undervalued. Billy Beane capitalized on this market inefficiency, and the A's won as many games as the Yankees with less than a third of their payroll.
It's cool to see Grady get so animated - he was known as "Cold Fuson"
He was also never fired by B.B., he left for a job with the Ranger's and came back in the 2010's to the A's.
Brad Pitt is a pointer. It's one of his signature mannerism when he's trying to emphasize his...point.
Just like Harrison Ford :)
So if he were a dog, he'd be a...
@@marcmcdonald5384 a doberman pointer?
Maybe he's got some French in him! They tend to point and talk with their hands alot.
This 30 second scene encapsulates the whole film right lmao it's awesome
You played baseball right? Well I played a little tee ball when I was a k. your the new head scout congratulations
So so true. You just don't know who is going to make it. Because success is not just about physical talent but also mental and that is hard to know.
Johnny Bravo thats not the point of this scene. This is the most important scene in the movie and people think it’s actually about some trite observation like that- this scene is saying the scout is right. Paul deP came at it from a scientific/ economic POV billy Beane really was just fighting his own personal vendetta against scouts because he blamed them for not going to Stanford.
@@dannytallmadge2161 It seems like you're the one who missed the point of this scene. It exemplified the new school versus the old guard. The A's won as many games as the Yankees with a third of their payroll. Skills like plate discipline and getting on base were drastically undervalued at the time. This isn't even the most important scene in the movie, anyway. "If we try to play like the Yankees in here, we will lose to the Yankees out there." That's the most important line in the whole movie.
@@dannytallmadge2161 no
No, according to this movie, the success is about producing the right numbers at the right time -- you look at past numbers to predict the future.
@@dannytallmadge2161 say you missed the whole point of the movie without saying you missed the whole point.
That scout wanted to spend money that Brad pitt had already been denied by the owner at the start of the movie. Hell he had to offer to buy Ricardo Rincon on his own for the owner to give him 255k.
The scout wanted to play like the Yankees payroll and its literally impossible with 100 million less. So they changed the way they thought about the game and the A's won as many games as the Yankees with a 3rd of the payroll.
What I know about how professional baseball used to work, I learned from reading the best sports book ever written, Ball Four. RIP Jim, still laughing 50 years later.
This is not just about baseball, it's about everything.
I love this movie and this is my favorite aciting from brad pitt in the movie.
When it comes to your son i know, and you don't. You don't
Jared Slye you are missing the whole of this scene. The point of this scene is that Grady was right moneyball was billy Beane being emo about his own failings. It worked kind of (and notice how it works less and less now that it can’t rely on roided out stars) but it absolutely wasn’t some scientific undertaking it was a personal vendetta
@@dannytallmadge2161 Lol have you actually seen the movie? It absolutely worked. The reason it doesn't anymore is because now the rich teams do it too.
@@dannytallmadge2161 This is not a world of absolutes. I think you are probably right that Billy Bean came to moneyball out a mistrust for the establishment, based on his own experience with it. But if it didn't have merit, he wouldn't have been able to get it to work. And it did work again the year the movie came out, with an even cheaper team than before. Which is even more remarkable because most teams have partly bought into the concept. They are not "All in" the way Oakland are, but every team now has a couple of misfit toys on their books, if only to cynically drive up the costs for other teams.
@@AllUpOns
Smart teams have always done it.
The 1927 Yankees have about a dozen guys who had OBP above or near .400. Not just Ruth & Gehrig. Damn near everybody. John McGraw, Miller Huggins, Ted Williams and Casey Stengel all KNEW about the value of getting on base. Economics has nothing to do with it. It's winning baseball.
Definitely among his best...performance and film.
✔you cant measure ❤&drive unless you beat it down or there is none to begin with...
BUT YOU CAN DAMN SURE INSTILL IT IN PEOPLE!💪
"You guys really don't know when it's good or bad, when it comes right down to it. ... And I'm promising you right now, you don't know whether it's good or bad. You really don't know, because you don't know what we're trying to do, you guys don't look at the films, you don't know what happened, you really don't know. You think you know, but you DON'T KNOW, and you never WILL, okay?" - Jim Mora, New Orleans Saints
That guy had some classic soundbites!
This is just one reason he's out of work
Grady is the man. Old school af
You're gonna build Beanzy a ramp!
I’ll build a ramp up to your ass…drive a Lionel up there.
When the ad is as long as the clip.
The actor playing the scout is terrific.
I believe that guy was a professional baseball player at one point and hates Billy Beane in real life. So..... pretty impressive casting🤷♂️
I'm not acting expert, but I think this is one of the best scenes from Brad Pitt in any movie...he had several in this movie.
OK Ok
My turn.
"No, you can't! Don't even try!"
Said Lincoln about the blacks. Get outta here bruh
"I said shut up! As in close your mouth and stop talking!"
This actually never happened. Grady never was fired and actually got an opportunity with the Rangers and after talking to Billy Beane, he got the blessing to go and the A's got a nice chunk of $ in exchange. Grady is back with Billy now. Though I thought it was a good scene, it was bs.
A good scene and creates the necessary drama a movie is looking for. But, as you said, total BS. I can't think of any movie "based on a true story" that doesn't go Hollywood with the truth.
@@carltonreese4854 a 120 page script is never going to fully capture a totally fleshed out 3-dimensional "based on true" story with conflict and character development that people will actually want to watch without taking a few creative liberties
Never let the truth get in the way of good story
Varrick legend of korra
@@ivanvee7800 That's a Randall Wallace quote. Writer of many screenplays including Braveheart and The Patriot, which take similar liberties with the facts.
@@carltonreese4854 because it is not a documentary. That is what they are for. Because the truth is generally boring AF save for small doses. Case and point the movie Sully makes the government look like the bad guy when they were no such animal in that story. But Eastwood did a great job using to dramatic effect even if it has more to do with his generally backward political views than storytelling. It happened to work as a script.
Bill Polian who is one of the most successful GMs in football once said even he only gets it right 55% of the time.
To be told that you're not needed anymore is the dream. It's the epitome of success.
Do you prefer see the goals reached or do you just care for the paycheck or praise?
I'm pretty sure if you had to compile a list of great clips from this movie, you'd just end up compiling the whole thing
I've actually watched almost the entire movie, beginning to end, just from all the great clips that have been posted on here on YT for the movie Margin Call (great movie).
Not the best way to watch a movie, but you're right, Moneyball could get that same kind of treatment with all the brilliant scenes end to end.
I would skip any and everything related to the daughter. She drug the movie down IMO.
I don't need a 10 year old singing a song about "life" and her confusion with it.
He got released because he wanted to do the job in a way that was incapable of being successful NOT because he couldn’t find talent.
“If we try to be the Yankees in here we will lose to the Yankees out there..!”
Brad Pit playing the incredibly wise character again, such range🥴
though i do like it, there are so many things wrong about this movie. grady was not there for the 2002 season. he was with the rangers. there was no pete brand and beane was a sabermetrics guy since at least 97. he took the team to 2nd in the al west the year before using it.
Whoa whoa my turn
Lou Gehrig... $1500
Phil Rizzuto... $100/month
Mickey Mantle... $1100
Yogi Berra... $500
All were passed on by other clubs.
"I can. I can."
Paul Krichell, Tom Greenwade and others.
So, it should be said, that in real life, Grady Fuson favored Beane's approach, and wasn't fired. He simply left for a better job at Texas.
Apparently Fusons wife didn’t appreciate the movie portrayal, bu he himself didnt mind.
I always wondered, when he puts his hand on Billy's shoulder, was he preparing to fight him or doing it as a way to say "thanks" to Billy? I can't tell by the facial expression
It was a patronizing move by Grady. He was patting Billy on the head with that move. And Billy said screw this shit.
It is sort of a sarcastic and arrogant way to say "thank you but you're gonna mess this team up" , don't ever do this in real life, it is disrespectful and someone might take it wrong..
@@diaphanoux I've always wondered what he was trying to do thank you for clearing that up. I assumed he was trying to get fired in his own unique way by Billy but didn't know exactly what the point of him doing that was.
@@Bull1908 You know what. That too. He wanted to be fired.
@@diaphanoux anyone know if Grady was a real person or some sort of composite character?
The answer to the uncertainty of scouting and drafting isn’t less scouting. It’s more scouting. Whatever your scouting budget is … double it. Build a great farm system. Devote time into it. Build a critical mass of legit talent. Using analytics as a tool is good. Using it as a short-cut isn’t.
… what? If they had more money theyd spend it on getting proven players and wouldnt need to scrounge around for diamonds in the rough
@@zoomzoom670
Who told you you have a clue.
You don't. 👈👺
You don't. 👈👺
This movie was so great and pretty accurate with a lot of things which is why I always disliked that Grady got made into the character to represent all the old baseball scouts who were afraid of change. In reality the real Grady Fuson, by all accounts, was supportive of Beane and left the club voluntarily to be the assistant general manager of the Rangers.
Actually that was the overall problem with the accuracy of the film - a lot of the people portrayed as opposing Beane actually supported his ideas - including Art Howe. But it’s a movie so you have to have antagonists. Still a good film though
And the Rangers suck. Hmmmmm..........
And he came back, and currently works for the A's still!
@@robertmorris8997You sure about that now? Especially compared to the A's current situation...
@@niclazzari2309 I said the Rangers suck 2 years ago. I am waiting to see how many of the good players they trade off to the rest of the league now.
Grady messed up and got himself fired…which tells me he only stuck to what he knew.
If you haven't seen the movie, watch it. Don't need to know a thing about baseball, it's that good.
My only disappointment with the film is that you don't actually see much baseball at all. I feel that all of the stories are only superficially touched on. Like Billy's relationship with his daughter and family - just brief glimpses. I think they maybe didn't show too much of the baseball as they wanted it to appeal widely to all audiences. But I just found it all too simplistic of a movie.
One man filed you throug up, cd any pe ole his like
Grady was spot on.
Charlie Lau:
"I can, Billy. I can."
Interesting they portray Grady as a royal prick here when in reality he was open to Billy’s approach. He wasn’t fired by the A’s, he left on his own on good terms.
This could be vanguard and schwab talking to Wall Street about what the market will do.
If you think a $50 trillion equity market is scared by a $23 billion stock play, you're delusional. A few small fish financebros who had no business running hedgefunds got showed up, but no one who really matters in the big scheme of things cares.
I'd love to see Brad Pitt Billy Beane try to tell this to Paul Krichell or Tom Greenwade.
Bad idea making it personal like that with the boss. Really really bad idea!
I still think scouting using the eye-test, still has its place in amateur scouting.
it has its place at the highest level. numbers often lie,especially for young players
One of favourite football quotes comes from David Moyes when he was at Everton 'statistics are like miniskirts, they give you lots of good ideas but hide what's really important'
The particular issue in this case was not the scouting of amateurs. It was the scouting of available free agents and how do we replace the players we lost without overspending.
I wouldn’t take someone pointing their finger at me.
🗣️👈👺 Yes, you would.
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Cal Ripken! 🤷🏽♂️
Unfair criticism. NO ONE really knows for sure. The stats won't tell you either. A guy can have a great OBS one season and then an OBS 50 points less the next.
They used a larger sample size than one season. It’s even mentioned in the movie that when they get criticised for being 20-26, Peter Brand uses ‘sample size’ to justify being able to continue with the process when there are calls to fire both of them.
I love this film, but I read this never actually happened in real life.
This scene or the whole movie?
@@develynseether4426 This seen never happened but it's just a movie not a true documentary. Art Howe disliked it because it made him out to be a bad guy and most of that never happened either. Although Art was not a very good manager.
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I think some scouts work really hard then just choose the person who seems like the obvious choice at the moment. Then they sell them that line to seal the deal. We can't predict the future should be told to every draft prospect. Then follow it with based on our evaluation here is where you will go in the draft. You have to show them the odds. And what the time table rate is to make to the big league. If you're fair you show them the odds for someone drafted in their round or overall position. Let them decide is Billy's point in the movie.
Billy’s a better man than me. I would have twisted and then broken that guy’s arm.
There is a take home message about "Moneyball" that deserves to be at least pointed out. The main premise of the movie is that math and statistics can make winners of any team (in pretty much any sport) during the regular season. This is because there are enough individual events (games) to let your stats and math do their thing. However, once a winning team gets to their goal of making it to the playoffs, all bets are off. Because in the playoffs there are such fewer events (games), what matters most is CLUTCH PERFORMANCE...a parameter that is very difficult to define statistically...at least with any degree of confidence. Take the case of the great Yogi Berra...probably the greatest clutch baseball player of all time. It's no coincidence that he holds the record for most World Series rings...see my point.
Actually that clutch performance you are referring to is mostly luck.
@@ryanwarner5006 Yes, and some people have more of it than others...
That was not the premise of the book or the movie. It's not about "math and statistics" making teams winners in the regular season. It's about using the limited resources you have to make the best of your situation. It's about competing in unfair circumstances. It's about finding value in areas undervalued in the mainstream. These theories have changed the game. Look what Boston did when they combined the Moneyball strategy with deep pockets? When you talk about "clutch" and the difference between the regular season and the post-season, you sound as naive and unaware as Joe Morgan.
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BradPitt was alright but the real Billy Beane was 6-4 tall and the movie did a pretty good job to not let that fact be too noticeable. I think Pitt is like 5-10.
So what
And then Beane the man fired his ass 🚫❌
I love the movie and the character, but would anyone actually want to work for this guy? Seems like a pretty poor leader who does whatever he wants while everyone in the organization just sits around, not knowing what the fuck is going on.
That's not really what goes on, the movie took a lot of liberties. Art Howe agreed with the direction and he was portrayed as the bad guy. This even never actually happened.
This movie would have been better if they casted someone else besides brad pitt.. he's a good actor but sometimes it's like he's trying to hard to make his role a weirdo and it comes off cringe.. like this time
Of course they fail to mention that success is still mostly based on luck here. If there is one thing I've learned in life it's that 'success' (in the narrow way that most people define it) is about 10% skill, 20% persistence, and 70% luck. Most people just don't want to accept that it's almost totally out of their control. The team could just as easily lost 103 games. They won because they were fortunate that their group of young pitchers all came into their won at the same time. Beane had exactly zero to do with it.
Luck had nothing to do with it, there is no such thing as luck. People don't luck into being smart. Warren Buffet didn't get rich with luck. Billy Bean was making the right choices with the money he had, that's not being lucky that's being smart.
Poor acting honestly
Movie about a guy who won zero championships
It's not about championships, it's about a paradigm shift in baseball--but you probably know that and posted an irrelevant comment anyway. Good for you, brilliance on display.
A lot of greats never won a championship.
Only a loser cares only about winning.
It’s almost like you didn’t watch the move 😂
Players win championship all the time. How often does someone totally change the way the game is played? What the As did was bigger than the world series.
"You don't know" ... That's the truest statement.
You look at some of the complete busts these people have.
"You think you know - and ... you don't. You don't."
1998 NFL Draft, Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were the two top picks with a good bit of discussion as to who was better. It was assumed that both were good picks.
Peyton was .. Ryan wasn't ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Leaf
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What can’t be predicted is the future. Commitment, discipline, family, life’s unknown circumstances, bad decisions, etc. Peyton had those things in his favor and overcame them when he didn’t. Ryan didn’t control the unknowns and made bad decision. That’s why two guys with physical ability end up in different places. One is destined for the HOF, the other isn’t. When people were debating who was better, they thought they knew, they didn’t…. they didn’t.
@@livingadreamlife1428 Yep.
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