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You can't just be like "I don't like you anymore, I'm taking back everything you paid me to do, and you can't do anything about it", such a silly and stupid situation
@@plutonix5792After such dumb move you not only pretty much blacklist yourself from your job, but also find yourself in dept hole because (surprise surprise) actions have consequences and there's already a lawsuit being filed against your infantile persona.
Project Moon does everything it can to make the company, the games, and the community friendly, calm, and appreciative of the world of the City. But it seems that some people just want to create a conflict, and some people want to inflate it
@@Emmanuel5280thyeah the problems last time festered and grew because they communicated to little because all the info it is out we have a fuller and clearer view of what is going on.
I mean, considering how they lost so much profit and player due last controversy, I understand why they're so tired of this. They're just trying to nake video games and people won't leave them alone
It's so funny fr LOL. But at the same time, they got nothing to hide imo, and if it is the form of contact they did with the artist(s) then it works. I am appreciative they spoke up waaay sooner for the international audience so no one misinterprets or spreads malicious misinfo like last year fr
You said a key word there: Middlemen. If this group really cared, they would be looking for effective ways to help these artists self advocate. Instead they insert themselves. They get to leech off the situation, in the form of a cause to feel good about, attention, or money. It's the danger in any crusade.
Since the Great Library of Ruina Overhaul update I have had faith and trust in PM without wavering and this incident is no different. I hope that this is a nothing burger as Kim did pull out receipts and screen shots fast as hell when the situation cropped up and they seem pretty damming so hopefully that he's with shutting the case down. Im a PM schizo and I'm entrecnhing myself in this hill to the bitter end. Btw hearing your interest in PM lore would be lots of fun! I do basically do the same of just apalaching my friends about the PM world, lore, symobilsm, designs, theory and just so much more
Just to make it worse, the PMUA/GCS is (allegedly) a group headed by different korean gacha game companies who just want to have their hand in the Limbus pie as they do with most other gachas.
I don’t even think that for Leviathan they even have any copywrite over the actual story. Not that they have a case in the first place, but they didn’t write leviathan and for the most part leviathan is a novel with various art scattered throughout. Aside from the first chapter or so obviously. This lawsuit is basically trying to bank on the fact that PM is inexperienced and trying to trick them into giving away their IPs.
just another reminder that just cause and organization says they have your best interests doesnt mean they do. vellmori still to this day has yet to receive any of the dono money from this shady honeypot. all ways be mindful of honey pots dear god.
hey could you explain what you mean by dono money? that's the first i've ever heard of it (not trying to start any argument or anything im just curious)
@@rising1o1I belive it is the Project Moon User association (PMUA) now known as GCS said they need dono money for the artist and just spent it on protest trucks and trying to pry the entirety of Project moon from KJH and co
@@rising1o1 that group that suing PM, during the whole beach fiasco, was doing a donation campaign and they had said they were going to give the money to vellmori to support her. the donos came in but they never came out.
I’ve been discussing with my friends about how nuanced this situation is, yet how little people are actually willing to see said nuance and go to one extreme or the other. Like I cannot emphasize the amount of people I’ve seen online completely demonizing Project Moon as this DEMONIC company willing to destroy women and artists, and it’s terrifying how willingly these people are to just accept that as the truth instead of actually doing their own research into the topic. PM is an incredibly small company, I’m so impressed with the amount and quality of work they’ve been able to produce in Limbus alone as an artist and writer myself. Now, compare the size of that company with the size of the controversy, it’s no wonder the company fell flat on its face when they had to confront the situation at hand, it’s no wonder misinformation was everywhere and people bought it, too, they lacked the PR resources to confront it. PM DOES have issues, I’m not disagreeing with that, I mean as funny as the recent livestream was, it was clearly made by someone with the lack of knowledge of technical issues that MAYYBEEE should be expected from the company that runs a very popular worldwide gacha game, but that’s besides the point. I think the main issue is they need a bigger team, or at least to contract 2 or 3 people solely in charge of PR. Limbus Company is an extremely popular game, and Project Moon has to accept that and get more people in the team if they want to prevent more of these controversies. Lastly, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for mentioning the artist copyright thing! As I said, I am an artist, currently studying to become a professional animator and oh my GOD the amount of misunderstanding of how the artistic world works, especially for comics commissioned by companies, is so so frustrating. They DO own their own art, but they do not own the ideas/character designs contained in them especially if the company itself was the one giving the ideas, as shown for proof in those (hilarious) Discord screenshots. Ok ok I’m done, sorry for the rant, and thank you for this video, you never miss Saph
Id say the reason they fell flat at the Vellmori case was the fact they never had a lot of drama, most they had was backlash from gameplay decisions when LoR was actively being updated, thd Keter backlash being so large they changed the ending.
@@kingsuperbobboyoh absolutely! That’s a very big contributing factor too. They never had to deal with drama on that scale before, especially with so much media attention being involved.
@@sapheravtdo it. Rant about limbus. Also, to the initial commenter, if you need support IDs for any of your story missions for any particular reason, I do not mind giving your my user ID so you can add me
@@flowerghosttalso soon will be a new player event so you should be able to get tons of cool stuff (it is in the PM Livestream if you haven't seen it yet)
It’s the PMUA rebranded apparently they have ended up helping ppl after the last limbus controversy but no hard evidence beyond what one news article says.
Honestly I don't mind if PM keep small team, but they REALLY need new team. They can make legal team and PR team. That alone will be enough actually. It doesn't need to be big, just two more additional teams
@@sapheravtdo say something about Kali, hell, make a reference to her in some way while taking about each game. That’ll be funny, hell, *make the whole video one big reference to The Red Mist.*
You forgot to mention that in the first drama, this "Project Moon User Association" wanted to become the owner of Project Moon, and sited the swimsuit controversy as why it was the right decision in their mind
I remember saying a whiiile back that I feared that as nice as they are, if pm didn't get a backbone and dealt with things more directly that the company would be dog piled to oblivion. I'm glad that pm is defending their own IP. The lore and the IP itself is theirs. Losing wonderlab hurt. Especially because those abnormalities in library of ruina went from having lore to... Just being random appearances. The fact that wonderlab abnos were in ruina proved the existence of alternate abnos in branch offices, and that there was at least another branch office at the time of wonderlabs that had never been shown in the comics or prior game due to nosferafu existing. I'm glad that the manager is taking a more proactive stance, and as far it does in my case, I'll be making alot of lunacy purchases. The even slither of a chance that catt is canon is enough for me, and the story of leviathan is integral as a transition between ruina to limbus. If we keep losing the content between it's going to be a nightmare constantly navigating around it.
Agreed. I remember last year criticizing (mostly in my own Discord cuz I was a lurker and extremely new to the fandom at the time) that PM shouldn't bend over backwards and let people step over them and demand unruly stuff. Hearing how they've lowkey toppled before to community demand like in LoR's ending and then the 2023 situation was extremely worrisome. However, I'm glad that KJH appears to be learning how to stand his ground to defend his team and works. The only thing going forward is to hope he'll never lose his way and get too extreme/strict, but so far I don't think we have to worry about that. I think once these legal stuff get sorted out, PM can finally take a breather to focus on their work snice they are definitely learning as they go, whether that's considered good or bad. And yeah, losing these webcomics would be detrimental. Leviathan for sure is integral to Limbus, this of the two of them cannot be lost. Wonderlab definitely has some abnos and fleshed out the lore a bit of how other branch life was like, though definitely it's not as integral to the current franchise besides mostly bonus stuffTM. I'd love to see it back though, I also love Catt and overall how it was done. It actually lowkey made me wanna play LobCorp more... lol Plus if we can ever see a future Bloom Office, that'd make me happy. :3 I just sincerely hope no permanent damage happens to the artists in the process, and I'm sure PM doesn't want to damage them either which is why they tried to keep it private for so long until PMUA/GCS opened it to the public and they had to act on it.
Also agreed on your final point. The artists have alot of talent and it'd genuinely be tragic to see it be taken. As much as the right to the lore belongs to the company, it would've never been breathed such life without it's illustrators. All in all there are no real winners. Even if project moon gained both IP's, whatever they bring back after is never going to be the same. Even if we got bloom office as a sequal, there's little guarantee that it'll have that same essence breathed into it that its so far encapsulated. (which is tragic cause I actually thought the original LC:B project was gonna be said sequel.) It's the artists of project moon hired externally and within that truly bring life to the style that we've all come to love. To bring life to the wonderful writing we've been given, and more recently some of the best voice acting I've seen in gaming. Project moons art style is one of a kind and it's something that genuinely needs to be preserved. There are few games in this world I've replayed more than once. One of those is library of ruina, which I've played over i times and have learned new things about the story and game every single time. Lobotomy Corp is the only game that I have ever made a custom character and have wrote stories of them. Limbus and ruina are one of the few games to have actually got me emotional with the power of their story telling. Not even mentioning mili and their music with cassey wei somehow always surpassing themselves with every song and hitting new peaks. I'm hoping that the lawsuit favours both sides in the sense that pm keeps their IP yet the damage to the artists is minimised, which I'm sure will be the case since pms manager (forgive me for never using names I am extremely bad at name memory.) will show some degree of kindness. Cause personally I think the only reason pm has been so passive and has been so... Passive with it's actions in the past is due to a desire to be kind. Pm deliberately puts itself in harms way for its employees taking the brunt of flak for delays and resignations. Overall this can go two ways. It's either going to put this incredibly long nightmare scenario to rest and allow both parties to move forward. Or it's going to create the mother of all feuds. I pray it'll be the first outcome. Where both sides can make their peace and move on
@@sapheravt About the LoR ending in particular, I am sad that, while we did get Keter Realization, which I did love for what it added to the game and everything, I personally really enjoyed it and I do think it made the ending sequence better experience - I am not exactly pleased about how the ending CGs and Purple Tears final remarks were just, removed, and how it was done. It wasn't like "we feel we were missing something that would really fill in the gap between fighting Roland and Ensemble spawning back in, which feels super abrupt", it was "WHERE KETER REALIZATION :((((( ALSO WHY SHILLING NEXT GAME" So instead of a constructive and calm feedbacks that I think PM would have listened to anyways, as they have shown to be good at this stuff, instead this happen. Other things back in LoR time were like how the passive attribution system almost got removed, but it became a very central part of the game's depth, really shows how they need to stand strong at times and pick out constructive criticism instead of meaningless anger comments It's good to see how PM is learning to grow a backbone, and I hope they only accept feedback when it's a problem. Not like PM doesn't have a major ton of problems, but it's good to see that they actually learn from past mistakes.
@@adamxue6096 Yeah! I actually really enjoyed the Keter Realization aspect (even if I so badly wanted to be done with the game cuz pain LMAO) because it definitely made the whole ending feel more put together! Chat had sent me links to the original ending and it seems to lowkey fall flat a little :( So while criticism to have it be better to what it is now was warranted, I also heard it was a lot of whiny complaints rather than super constructive lol. That or that's just how everyone interpreted it (I wasn't there at the time so I wouldn't know). But yeah, PM isn't perfect, but at least they're willing to learn from their past mistakes and it's showing, I think. :3 May they keep growing and remain firm but not too stubborn that genuine critiques will be lost.
@@sapheravt oh it wasn't just any whiny complaints but actual threats and things too, I am amazed by how PM overworked themselves in two weeks and pushed out Keter Realization. I started paying attention to PM after Lob Corps release. Dear gosh the old lob corp translations. So I was fully there thorughout LoRs Early access and development, and boi. That was a whole journey with a lot of funny incidents, reworks, and everything, and many, many whining. Like full page lock ensemble, gone, arguably, I think I would have found the challenge actually more interesting, but it would take a while to do
PMoon'e situation kinda reminds me of aisno's (the studio that makes another gacha game, path to nowhere). Both games have very dedicated global fanbases that are smaller than its local ones, and their domestic fanbases are much more vocal and critical of the games. ptn had a bit of an issue a while back as one of the characters' outfits was considered "too revealing" by certain male cn players and it led to her being removed from the banner pool because they were being reported to chinese officials.
Yeah fr. I know Saph said they’re being manipulated but what they’re doing is just awful. Esp for a company that tried to defend you. It sucks when employees try to take advantage of companies that actually seem to be trying to be kind. It’s such a rarity to have a good company that isn’t just looking out for their best interests.
@@BelBelle468 If you are manipulated, you think you are doing the right thing by following the manipulator... Even if said action is SOOO stupid that a low-IQ individual can tell it won't work.
Also there's the fact that not only were they working under Project Moon at the time, they also directly use characters and concepts from the Project Moon games (for Wonderlab, various Abnormalities making cameos, the setting of the comic explicitly being in the City and most egregiously, *one of the main characters Distort and the other manifests E.G.O. during the latter half of the White Nights and Dark Days event caused by Angela.* There isn't a good case for Mimi to force Project Moon into removing characters that already have gone into the sequel of Lobotomy Corporation, Library of Ruina.)
If anyone Wondering what's the future if PM won: Best case scenario is we could get leviathan and wonderlab back because the court would ruled that PM owned everything and not the artists. Meaning that they no longer have Rights to both leviathan and wonderlab and PM can freely put it back on display
If that comes to pass I REALLY hope that means we could potentially get Wonderlab associated content in Limbus or just generally in the future. A follow up on those characters and Wonderlab abno/ego representation would be amazing.
Really good video!! And yeah, i think the most correct set of actions we can do as a community is to try and get Mimi and Monggeu as far away as possible from PMUA, looking at the statements and looking at the behaviours i really think strongly that they are actively being taken advantage and manipulated by Pmua. First off they are leeching on their simpathy for a fellow artist for their personal gain, cause if you notice no one inside the staff of project moon ever went against project moon, Mili, The translators, the voice actors, the artists working inside, neither vellmori, nor any coders, neither the musicians... No one who had direct inside contact with Project moon spoke badly of Project moon. So its why i think PMUA actively took advantage of those who didnt have direct contact and who knows if they tried so with those with inside contact but since they could just ask directly Jihoon and the workers themselfs they may have been able to tell PMUA's bs allegations in an instant, but those without said direct contact will have in fact been more susceptible to blatant lies and clear gaslighting. Another important thing to note, neither Mimi and neither Monggeu are doing ok mentally, Monggeu has had very rough mental issues through the years and its taking even a toll on their health, alongside Mimi having had a lot of problems with the fandom of pm and themselfs having their own setbacks in mental health as stated in their own posts, so the possibility of PMUA taking active advantage of 2 persons bad mental states to missguide them into doing actions that go actively against their carriers(as the possibility of losing the trials may lead to the artists being in severe problems and will get horrible press that will prob ruin any chances of being hired again on future other companies). I dont see much talk about this possible thing in general about that real possibility that a malicious group is weaponizing someone's bad mental health for personal profit, and i find the meree possibility of PMUA doing that disgusting and absolutely horrid and my heart sinks to see talented artists being manipulated and used so viciously. Ence we as a community i think we should try our very best to make Mimi and Monggeu stay far away from this abusers however possible.
While idk if I can fully be onboard with calling PMUA/GCS "abusers", I definitely think they have a hand in misleading or misguiding what is truly legally right or wrong in this particular case. :') I do think it's a fair point to bring up that the artists can face actual issues outside of this lawsuit because other companies may never want to hire them or that in general they'll suffer a more poor reputation. Others have brought that point up too and I wish I had the forethought to mention it lol. But yeah, I know both artists haven't been doing the best :c It would've been good if all of it could've remained private as serious legal discussion should be, but we already know from 2023 that the PMUA doesn't care and just wants to use PM to further their political ambitions. It's pretty messed up, ngl. I just hope that something can be done that won't tarnish everyone's reputation (except GCS/PMUA, they stink lol).
@@sapheravt Yea maybe i overdid it by calling them abusers but mainly cause their actions does cause me a lot of anger(specially if there is any evidence of them knowingly taking advantage of someone's bad mental situation). And yea what i wish for the most in this situation is that if Project moon wins, that they try to focus all the damage on Pmua and that Mimi and Monggeu have little to not consequences if possible, lets hope for the best for the artists and for project moon in the near future and that this all blows over calmly.
Wonderlab's rights being taken could bring further issue to Project Moon since at least 3 abnormality's from Wonderlab appear in Library of Ruina (Servant of wrath, Scaredy Cat and The road home) and removing/altering those could take a fair amount of effort.
The abnormalities that appeared in ruina AND wonderlab initially debutedcin the the lobotomy corp art book as they were originally intended for lob corp(pre wonderlab so they should be in the clear)
Mimi cannot take those away, as they are mainly designed first by Nai_ga. This is something that does appear in the screenshots, and its even something they had agreed before PM and Mimi, that mimi could own the characters she herself made like Catt, Flower, Taii, Rose... but that the abnormalities that pm made like Road home, Scaredy cat, Servant of wrath, Nobody Is, Titania, Alriune's aberrations... those she could not take as they wherent made originally by her as the ownership of those are technically of Nai_ga and it would be his copyrighted material.
The stream was just same day as the accusation happend lol. GCS post at 12am, PM Notice 1am, Stream 6pm Kinda explains sad wet puppy vibe during the whole stream
I'm not a lawyer but I've dealt with US Copyright law and a lot of countries have similar setups. Based on your description, the artists don't have a leg to stand on in their case. There is too much proof that 1) they don't own Project Moon's IP, and they were paid while as employees.
Honestly, Project Moon as a whole reminds me of Hubert from their own game. Dude knows the world is messed, but tries his best to be the lightest shade of black he can. You cannot really be a morally pure corporate entity, but by golly you can try.
More importantly they can't give up on Leviathan because Vergilious, Faust, Gubo, the Ring, Charon, Azeah, etc. There's SO MUCH important lore that first debuted there.
The unprofessionalism is honestly funny I rly don't care if people think its bad or weird is like I'm seeing another person in that account rather than a faceless corporation, and just seeing the stream with how endearingly bad it was like a college presentation for an official company is just funny I hope project moon will never change 😭
I basically made a tumblr post about this the day it came out with proof and everything....and i still had people arguing with me saying i was wrong, with, surprise, no proof of their own other than their own personal feelings. And even when i gave them proof they basically just said "no, that doesnt count because i said so." I cannot understand how people that are supposed to be fans of PM and their games could ever defend the PMUA/GCS. But i guess they exist
Yeah. You can see some stray comments here and on my other PM-adjacent vid of people going "uM yOu gOt ThE sUmMeR eVenT wRoNg" and yet zero people post anything about what specifically I got wrong, nor has anyone tried in-detail to correct me without also bashing on me as an individual. I chalk up to these people being not real PM fans and just instead PM haters for whatever reason, because honestly how can these people still stomach to play the game if they hate them this much looool. It makes zero sense to me. Keep your chin up tho, ignore the weirdos. o7
I just lost few braincells and only thing i found out is that pm uses discord to communicate. Damn i shouldnt what those type of videos in a half awake state (its 1am and i cant sleep)
i don't know if anyone else noticed it but i was going crazy trying to figure out where that little dinging song sound was coming from until i realized it was coming from the video ToT
@@2265Hello actually when it comes to South Korea’s defamation laws are actually super different than other countries. Any damages to reputation is liable whether or not you’re telling the truth. So it’s on the accused to prove that the damage sited is being inflammatory. Also you can be charged criminally over defamation in SK. So this shit is serious because PMUA did this on a public platform and that counts as evidence against them
@@ellyhig5928 huh good to know still the last one the last one they did got dropped. It also explains why the KGCS founder was wording items of potential defamation very differently in the interviews. Which tbh i am still shocked by his responses
the PM association demanding justice for being anti-feminist when the major crime was gross mismanagement, which Jihoon then overhauled the schedule to avoid in the future, and decided to keep from expanding the company and maintaining that slower content drip from now on, signalling he saw and understood the problem and seeks to rectify it. ...And the result of the investigation caused by this discourse ended up revealing the developers of Cookie Run are the biggest offenders and no one has any reports of anti-feminist leanings in PM.
I believe I said this in the Zet video however the PM community has had a problem with community pressure since LoR and people rushing to assumptions before translated announcements (Ring Yi Sang, Vellmori, etc.)
Going from 15 pages every two weeks (14 days) to 30 pages every (29-31 days) is a overall better work schedule, so I dont see how thats a worse deal than the original as you are given over double the time to turn it in
This situation is equivalent to an animator from disney or another studio or solo(or a programmer or character designer for a game) copyrighting the entire game behind the company's back and saying the entire show/game.
Personally, I just can't play any games I want because I have no PC to use, but I did play Limbus last year for nearly a year until before this contrversy hit. And even then, I am completely unaware it happened at all. I was just increadibly busy with work that I am unable to even do my own projects
Everyone, if this is correct, if you say that project moon had leviathan as outsource work, (business work) which korean law Article 9 of the Copyright Act, so it's a conclusion that there is higher chance for author of leviathan and wonderlab to have the copy rights. Velmori on the other hand, she never issued copyrights because she was proper employee there, the copyrights of her works are given to the company. Just getting the informations in for yall who arent familiar with korean laws!
And what i mean by properly contracted (even if it was temporal) had to meet all 4 major insurances and had a standard labor contract had be taken care by the company
And from this point the issue of limbus company wont be tied to only gender issue, but also labor law issue, copyright issues. Copyright issues are super important to koreans due to their field of “webtoon” too😭 hopefully this goes well for everyone
On one hand, i wholeheartedly support artists when it comes to corporate stuff they're small and deserve the help. HOWEVER, Mimi and the artist of Leviathan are literally shooting themselves in the thigh, as they are making themselves out to be backstabbers that want money over their work, even if it isn't what they meant to do here. PM is the most heartfelt indie i have seen, and they have been harrassed by quite a few groups at this point (the incels and the PMUA). PMUA is nothing but a bunch of leeches that want to take money from both PM and their fans. Remember, support artists and indies, never give money or attention to corporations that only want cash. PMUA falls under there, as they have done nothing besides ask for money to "help the artists" and try to get PM in trouble with rumors and false information.
Imma be honest but the PMUA fundraisers iirc were PayPal links to the organization. Which begs the question why? Why not a fundraising site or at least link artists PayPal or patreon?
25:49 I zoned out for a few minutes & when I come back from it the first thing I hear is Saph talking about sucking pp?????? Did I hear that right? I rewinded & I still have no idea if I heard that correctly or not after listening to it more than once 👁️👄👁️
@@sapheravt As god intended, Walpurg is the only time any man, woman or child must roll the banner as their announcers are Walpurg only and the IDs of the current Walpurg can only be sharded in the next one which is 3 months of no epic ID.
After some unsavory social media rage events that I'd rather not say (I was a stupid Nintendo fanboy back then all you need to know) I always have this perception that all companies no matter how much they try to make us think that's not the case will always have a hidden blade on the back of their hand. A company, in their nature, will always in one point or another get into a controversy out of their control, and regardless of the impat they have on my life I'll be sure to call them out on it in a fair and just and non-biased manner, Project Moon included. That being said if the court rules this lawsuit on favor of the PMUA you are free to put a cognition filter on my mouth. If we're heading to the darkest timeline the least I could do is warn you all that my reactions to these aren't necessarily E for Everyone.
I used about three-ish songs here. Beginning & After Summer Event Stuff: Lobotomy Corporation OST - Neutral 01 Summer Event portion: Limbus Company - S.E.A. Theme Conclusion: My personal BGM that I adopted from Kou - Memory: Fragments (Kou's Twitter: x.com/CatVtuber )
People need to stop supporting groups and start supporting individuals like i don't give a damn about no damn artist i support those i can and know that are not pieces of garbage simple as that. When you support a group it normally goes they can't do no bad then the bad eggs ruins it for the rest and it becomes i hate this entire group of people. just stop saying i support artist, voice actors, etc. and show support for the individuals that just happens to be an artist or is a voice actor, etc. and i like the work they do.
no way, that's basically just mindlessly hating something and being a sheep following hate train without knowing which is wrong or right. you have something called brain. it will be better to use it to collect information and make your own conclusion. Like PM already HAVE proof that they paid the artist for their IP.
About incident started a year ago, i swear some people just mant drama and nothing more Imagine seeing the game company and the only thing that matters for you is some random posts from an artist, don't people have the right to their own opinion even if it is very radical? And plus it was long time ago, poeple changes with time you know? What a snowflakes
Feel bad for pm. They did some bad stuff but like don’t all corp do? But like that a year ago. They learn from it and improving most people move on, only bitter people don’t
hm i dont know if i would even call that "bad stuff" from a year ago... sure, they could probably have handled it better in some ways, but from what i have heard over the month or two the situation was salvaged to a good extent and there seemed to be no ill intent between artist and PM... the biggest problem imo was that PM tried to resolve the dispute behind closed curtains, leaving a lot of room for misinformation and speculation with everyone presenting the worst case scenario as fact
@@pappendeckel2.096 they were a small company so that prob why they didn’t really handle it better. Plus it doesn’t help that both side are very extreme does put a lot of pressure on a small company so no wonder they made mistakes and should have been more transparent
@@Rin-co7usyea no, I mean that this is totally understandable, also resolving stuff behind closed curtains can be the right move, for example not inflating something that is hardly an issue to begin with. Also the recent dev stream gave some more insight into PM, and I am in completely good faith of them, especially after reading through the stream transcript and hearing how KJH runs and intends to continue running his school club
@@pappendeckel2.096 I 100 percent agree with you. It really depend on what it is to decide if something should be public or not. It just nice to see a company improve on there mistakes. Just hoping people move on and look toward the future not the past not saying it you but other people
Will say Mimi the wonder lab comic creator have an actual case since it was more of a fan comic. Mogu, the leviathan artist, doesn’t seem to have much of one and if anything only owns the comic drawing portions of it and nothing else. I still don’t get what their exact goal with this suit it really seems like it can hurt their careers. That aside I wish twitter was this passionate about hating Activision blizzard too cause at least they would be more visibly consistent
No I disagree based on what I’ve seen of them. They clearly aren’t in the best places in their lives atm. Not to mention pm really could have handled all these issues better
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You can't just be like "I don't like you anymore, I'm taking back everything you paid me to do, and you can't do anything about it", such a silly and stupid situation
Exactly⁉️⁉️ like wtf i feel bad for john "limbussy" moon
It's such a weird move lol. It's like asking for no one to hire you.
You can!.... As long as you have the worldview of a literal toddler.
@@plutonix5792After such dumb move you not only pretty much blacklist yourself from your job, but also find yourself in dept hole because (surprise surprise) actions have consequences and there's already a lawsuit being filed against your infantile persona.
In dante voice: “tick tock” (they quickly realize they can do everything about it)
Project Moon does everything it can to make the company, the games, and the community friendly, calm, and appreciative of the world of the City. But it seems that some people just want to create a conflict, and some people want to inflate it
Part of this started because we got meshed together with the gacha community, and you know how much of an asylum that community is
You could say, some people just want to watch the world burn.
Guy from item asylum@@eggseed6543
@@ieuansmith518don't make it sounds cool.
@@SirFailure Sorry, I just saw an opportunity and took it.
“ Yo lunacy” *circles lunacy in Lime green marker* - Kim Jihoon director of Project moon V tuber extraordinaire .
How could anyone look at this man and accuse him of such atrocities?
As a wise man once said, "Yo lunancy"
i still cannot get over it how Pmoon pulled those Discord screenshots out like some twitter drama
They got tired of PMUA's bullshit
Probably to refute PMUA or what it's called now. Cause if they stayed silent like they did on summer. They could have lost a lot of fans.
@@Emmanuel5280thyeah the problems last time festered and grew because they communicated to little because all the info it is out we have a fuller and clearer view of what is going on.
I mean, considering how they lost so much profit and player due last controversy, I understand why they're so tired of this. They're just trying to nake video games and people won't leave them alone
It's so funny fr LOL. But at the same time, they got nothing to hide imo, and if it is the form of contact they did with the artist(s) then it works. I am appreciative they spoke up waaay sooner for the international audience so no one misinterprets or spreads malicious misinfo like last year fr
The CEO switching to a v-tuber model mid stream was so funny 😂😂😂
bro, I'm laughing so much. 😂
power presentation livestream
To cite the man "Oh yeah, I shouldn't use my face when discussing the future of the company. This one is better!"
You said a key word there: Middlemen. If this group really cared, they would be looking for effective ways to help these artists self advocate. Instead they insert themselves. They get to leech off the situation, in the form of a cause to feel good about, attention, or money. It's the danger in any crusade.
Must be Hermann leading Ncorp again
@@salardalukeandrei5269Hermann is a thousand times more competent.
@@generalgarchomp333 hag supremacy
Since the Great Library of Ruina Overhaul update I have had faith and trust in PM without wavering and this incident is no different. I hope that this is a nothing burger as Kim did pull out receipts and screen shots fast as hell when the situation cropped up and they seem pretty damming so hopefully that he's with shutting the case down. Im a PM schizo and I'm entrecnhing myself in this hill to the bitter end. Btw hearing your interest in PM lore would be lots of fun! I do basically do the same of just apalaching my friends about the PM world, lore, symobilsm, designs, theory and just so much more
Stay strong trust in our ceo give him a hug cheer him up glory to projectmoon
My life for KJH
Just to make it worse, the PMUA/GCS is (allegedly) a group headed by different korean gacha game companies who just want to have their hand in the Limbus pie as they do with most other gachas.
It isn't. It is a group of wannabe politicians catering to a certain type of twitter population who never played the game.
I KNEW IT WAS THE SAME PEOPLE. I knew the GCS sounded shady AF and the fact that ya mention it's the PM user whatever proved it to me.
I don’t even think that for Leviathan they even have any copywrite over the actual story. Not that they have a case in the first place, but they didn’t write leviathan and for the most part leviathan is a novel with various art scattered throughout. Aside from the first chapter or so obviously. This lawsuit is basically trying to bank on the fact that PM is inexperienced and trying to trick them into giving away their IPs.
KJH learned the evergreen strategy of Twitter Beef:
If you're in the right, just leak the DMs. What are they going to do? Lie harder?
Yes
just another reminder that just cause and organization says they have your best interests doesnt mean they do. vellmori still to this day has yet to receive any of the dono money from this shady honeypot.
all ways be mindful of honey pots dear god.
hey could you explain what you mean by dono money? that's the first i've ever heard of it
(not trying to start any argument or anything im just curious)
@@rising1o1I belive it is the Project Moon User association (PMUA) now known as GCS said they need dono money for the artist and just spent it on protest trucks and trying to pry the entirety of Project moon from KJH and co
@@rising1o1 that group that suing PM, during the whole beach fiasco, was doing a donation campaign and they had said they were going to give the money to vellmori to support her. the donos came in but they never came out.
thanks for information. i know they're shady organisation, but i didn't know they even do this
@@freezerburn2142it makes me angry. Why is she still siding with them?
I’ve been discussing with my friends about how nuanced this situation is, yet how little people are actually willing to see said nuance and go to one extreme or the other. Like I cannot emphasize the amount of people I’ve seen online completely demonizing Project Moon as this DEMONIC company willing to destroy women and artists, and it’s terrifying how willingly these people are to just accept that as the truth instead of actually doing their own research into the topic.
PM is an incredibly small company, I’m so impressed with the amount and quality of work they’ve been able to produce in Limbus alone as an artist and writer myself. Now, compare the size of that company with the size of the controversy, it’s no wonder the company fell flat on its face when they had to confront the situation at hand, it’s no wonder misinformation was everywhere and people bought it, too, they lacked the PR resources to confront it.
PM DOES have issues, I’m not disagreeing with that, I mean as funny as the recent livestream was, it was clearly made by someone with the lack of knowledge of technical issues that MAYYBEEE should be expected from the company that runs a very popular worldwide gacha game, but that’s besides the point.
I think the main issue is they need a bigger team, or at least to contract 2 or 3 people solely in charge of PR. Limbus Company is an extremely popular game, and Project Moon has to accept that and get more people in the team if they want to prevent more of these controversies.
Lastly, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for mentioning the artist copyright thing! As I said, I am an artist, currently studying to become a professional animator and oh my GOD the amount of misunderstanding of how the artistic world works, especially for comics commissioned by companies, is so so frustrating. They DO own their own art, but they do not own the ideas/character designs contained in them especially if the company itself was the one giving the ideas, as shown for proof in those (hilarious) Discord screenshots.
Ok ok I’m done, sorry for the rant, and thank you for this video, you never miss Saph
Id say the reason they fell flat at the Vellmori case was the fact they never had a lot of drama, most they had was backlash from gameplay decisions when LoR was actively being updated, thd Keter backlash being so large they changed the ending.
@@kingsuperbobboyoh absolutely! That’s a very big contributing factor too. They never had to deal with drama on that scale before, especially with so much media attention being involved.
This company has been Limbus'd
this is my favourite comment
Our library has made out of ruina.
our corporation is lobotomized
When this PROJECT finished, we will steal… the MOON!
God, I love the pun you guys made lol.
I love Limbussy so much
i just got into limbus company yesterday LOL
edit: yes i would love to hear your rant about limbus company please
I hope you're enjoying Limbus AYYYY!! And YIPPEE i def wanna do that rant vid sometime in the future when the time allows it!! >:)))
Is this my sign to get into limbus so i'll at least know something when the rant comes XD
Also yeah same I would really like to hear it too
@@flowerghostt do it, nows the perfect time with a lot of awesome upcoming stuff
@@sapheravtdo it. Rant about limbus.
Also, to the initial commenter, if you need support IDs for any of your story missions for any particular reason, I do not mind giving your my user ID so you can add me
@@flowerghosttalso soon will be a new player event so you should be able to get tons of cool stuff (it is in the PM Livestream if you haven't seen it yet)
The GCS sounds like Korean peta
It’s the PMUA rebranded apparently they have ended up helping ppl after the last limbus controversy but no hard evidence beyond what one news article says.
They are grifters
Honestly I don't mind if PM keep small team, but they REALLY need new team. They can make legal team and PR team. That alone will be enough actually. It doesn't need to be big, just two more additional teams
Would like to hear your full thoughts on all project moon games
LOL that sounds like a good idea 😎 I will probably go in the order I started em, aka I'M GOING BACKWARDS IN THE TIMELINE WHOOO
@@sapheravtplease do the hyper fixation rant great sapheravt
@@sapheravtdo say something about Kali, hell, make a reference to her in some way while taking about each game. That’ll be funny, hell, *make the whole video one big reference to The Red Mist.*
You forgot to mention that in the first drama, this "Project Moon User Association" wanted to become the owner of Project Moon, and sited the swimsuit controversy as why it was the right decision in their mind
I remember saying a whiiile back that I feared that as nice as they are, if pm didn't get a backbone and dealt with things more directly that the company would be dog piled to oblivion. I'm glad that pm is defending their own IP. The lore and the IP itself is theirs. Losing wonderlab hurt. Especially because those abnormalities in library of ruina went from having lore to... Just being random appearances. The fact that wonderlab abnos were in ruina proved the existence of alternate abnos in branch offices, and that there was at least another branch office at the time of wonderlabs that had never been shown in the comics or prior game due to nosferafu existing.
I'm glad that the manager is taking a more proactive stance, and as far it does in my case, I'll be making alot of lunacy purchases. The even slither of a chance that catt is canon is enough for me, and the story of leviathan is integral as a transition between ruina to limbus. If we keep losing the content between it's going to be a nightmare constantly navigating around it.
Agreed. I remember last year criticizing (mostly in my own Discord cuz I was a lurker and extremely new to the fandom at the time) that PM shouldn't bend over backwards and let people step over them and demand unruly stuff. Hearing how they've lowkey toppled before to community demand like in LoR's ending and then the 2023 situation was extremely worrisome. However, I'm glad that KJH appears to be learning how to stand his ground to defend his team and works. The only thing going forward is to hope he'll never lose his way and get too extreme/strict, but so far I don't think we have to worry about that. I think once these legal stuff get sorted out, PM can finally take a breather to focus on their work snice they are definitely learning as they go, whether that's considered good or bad.
And yeah, losing these webcomics would be detrimental. Leviathan for sure is integral to Limbus, this of the two of them cannot be lost. Wonderlab definitely has some abnos and fleshed out the lore a bit of how other branch life was like, though definitely it's not as integral to the current franchise besides mostly bonus stuffTM. I'd love to see it back though, I also love Catt and overall how it was done. It actually lowkey made me wanna play LobCorp more... lol
Plus if we can ever see a future Bloom Office, that'd make me happy. :3
I just sincerely hope no permanent damage happens to the artists in the process, and I'm sure PM doesn't want to damage them either which is why they tried to keep it private for so long until PMUA/GCS opened it to the public and they had to act on it.
Also agreed on your final point. The artists have alot of talent and it'd genuinely be tragic to see it be taken. As much as the right to the lore belongs to the company, it would've never been breathed such life without it's illustrators. All in all there are no real winners.
Even if project moon gained both IP's, whatever they bring back after is never going to be the same. Even if we got bloom office as a sequal, there's little guarantee that it'll have that same essence breathed into it that its so far encapsulated. (which is tragic cause I actually thought the original LC:B project was gonna be said sequel.)
It's the artists of project moon hired externally and within that truly bring life to the style that we've all come to love. To bring life to the wonderful writing we've been given, and more recently some of the best voice acting I've seen in gaming. Project moons art style is one of a kind and it's something that genuinely needs to be preserved.
There are few games in this world I've replayed more than once. One of those is library of ruina, which I've played over i times and have learned new things about the story and game every single time. Lobotomy Corp is the only game that I have ever made a custom character and have wrote stories of them. Limbus and ruina are one of the few games to have actually got me emotional with the power of their story telling. Not even mentioning mili and their music with cassey wei somehow always surpassing themselves with every song and hitting new peaks.
I'm hoping that the lawsuit favours both sides in the sense that pm keeps their IP yet the damage to the artists is minimised, which I'm sure will be the case since pms manager (forgive me for never using names I am extremely bad at name memory.) will show some degree of kindness. Cause personally I think the only reason pm has been so passive and has been so... Passive with it's actions in the past is due to a desire to be kind. Pm deliberately puts itself in harms way for its employees taking the brunt of flak for delays and resignations.
Overall this can go two ways. It's either going to put this incredibly long nightmare scenario to rest and allow both parties to move forward. Or it's going to create the mother of all feuds. I pray it'll be the first outcome. Where both sides can make their peace and move on
@@sapheravt
About the LoR ending in particular, I am sad that, while we did get Keter Realization, which I did love for what it added to the game and everything, I personally really enjoyed it and I do think it made the ending sequence better experience -
I am not exactly pleased about how the ending CGs and Purple Tears final remarks were just, removed, and how it was done.
It wasn't like "we feel we were missing something that would really fill in the gap between fighting Roland and Ensemble spawning back in, which feels super abrupt", it was "WHERE KETER REALIZATION :((((( ALSO WHY SHILLING NEXT GAME"
So instead of a constructive and calm feedbacks that I think PM would have listened to anyways, as they have shown to be good at this stuff, instead this happen.
Other things back in LoR time were like how the passive attribution system almost got removed, but it became a very central part of the game's depth, really shows how they need to stand strong at times and pick out constructive criticism instead of meaningless anger comments
It's good to see how PM is learning to grow a backbone, and I hope they only accept feedback when it's a problem. Not like PM doesn't have a major ton of problems, but it's good to see that they actually learn from past mistakes.
@@adamxue6096 Yeah! I actually really enjoyed the Keter Realization aspect (even if I so badly wanted to be done with the game cuz pain LMAO) because it definitely made the whole ending feel more put together! Chat had sent me links to the original ending and it seems to lowkey fall flat a little :( So while criticism to have it be better to what it is now was warranted, I also heard it was a lot of whiny complaints rather than super constructive lol. That or that's just how everyone interpreted it (I wasn't there at the time so I wouldn't know).
But yeah, PM isn't perfect, but at least they're willing to learn from their past mistakes and it's showing, I think. :3 May they keep growing and remain firm but not too stubborn that genuine critiques will be lost.
@@sapheravt
oh it wasn't just any whiny complaints but actual threats and things too, I am amazed by how PM overworked themselves in two weeks and pushed out Keter Realization. I started paying attention to PM after Lob Corps release. Dear gosh the old lob corp translations. So I was fully there thorughout LoRs Early access and development, and boi. That was a whole journey with a lot of funny incidents, reworks, and everything, and many, many whining.
Like full page lock ensemble, gone, arguably, I think I would have found the challenge actually more interesting, but it would take a while to do
PMoon'e situation kinda reminds me of aisno's (the studio that makes another gacha game, path to nowhere).
Both games have very dedicated global fanbases that are smaller than its local ones, and their domestic fanbases are much more vocal and critical of the games.
ptn had a bit of an issue a while back as one of the characters' outfits was considered "too revealing" by certain male cn players and it led to her being
removed from the banner pool because they were being reported to chinese officials.
go to sleep, it's already too late :(
I find it funny that the two artists are trying to do this. Like you don't own the IP so how can you claim you own the comic characters and copyright?
Yeah fr. I know Saph said they’re being manipulated but what they’re doing is just awful. Esp for a company that tried to defend you. It sucks when employees try to take advantage of companies that actually seem to be trying to be kind. It’s such a rarity to have a good company that isn’t just looking out for their best interests.
@@BelBelle468Those that do not play the game get pushed around, sad world we live in
@@BelBelle468 If you are manipulated, you think you are doing the right thing by following the manipulator... Even if said action is SOOO stupid that a low-IQ individual can tell it won't work.
That’s the case for leviathan only WL was mostly done by the artist
Also there's the fact that not only were they working under Project Moon at the time, they also directly use characters and concepts from the Project Moon games (for Wonderlab, various Abnormalities making cameos, the setting of the comic explicitly being in the City and most egregiously, *one of the main characters Distort and the other manifests E.G.O. during the latter half of the White Nights and Dark Days event caused by Angela.* There isn't a good case for Mimi to force Project Moon into removing characters that already have gone into the sequel of Lobotomy Corporation, Library of Ruina.)
If anyone Wondering what's the future if PM won:
Best case scenario is we could get leviathan and wonderlab back because the court would ruled that PM owned everything and not the artists. Meaning that they no longer have Rights to both leviathan and wonderlab and PM can freely put it back on display
If that comes to pass I REALLY hope that means we could potentially get Wonderlab associated content in Limbus or just generally in the future. A follow up on those characters and Wonderlab abno/ego representation would be amazing.
Really good video!!
And yeah, i think the most correct set of actions we can do as a community is to try and get Mimi and Monggeu as far away as possible from PMUA, looking at the statements and looking at the behaviours i really think strongly that they are actively being taken advantage and manipulated by Pmua.
First off they are leeching on their simpathy for a fellow artist for their personal gain, cause if you notice no one inside the staff of project moon ever went against project moon, Mili, The translators, the voice actors, the artists working inside, neither vellmori, nor any coders, neither the musicians... No one who had direct inside contact with Project moon spoke badly of Project moon. So its why i think PMUA actively took advantage of those who didnt have direct contact and who knows if they tried so with those with inside contact but since they could just ask directly Jihoon and the workers themselfs they may have been able to tell PMUA's bs allegations in an instant, but those without said direct contact will have in fact been more susceptible to blatant lies and clear gaslighting.
Another important thing to note, neither Mimi and neither Monggeu are doing ok mentally, Monggeu has had very rough mental issues through the years and its taking even a toll on their health, alongside Mimi having had a lot of problems with the fandom of pm and themselfs having their own setbacks in mental health as stated in their own posts, so the possibility of PMUA taking active advantage of 2 persons bad mental states to missguide them into doing actions that go actively against their carriers(as the possibility of losing the trials may lead to the artists being in severe problems and will get horrible press that will prob ruin any chances of being hired again on future other companies). I dont see much talk about this possible thing in general about that real possibility that a malicious group is weaponizing someone's bad mental health for personal profit, and i find the meree possibility of PMUA doing that disgusting and absolutely horrid and my heart sinks to see talented artists being manipulated and used so viciously.
Ence we as a community i think we should try our very best to make Mimi and Monggeu stay far away from this abusers however possible.
While idk if I can fully be onboard with calling PMUA/GCS "abusers", I definitely think they have a hand in misleading or misguiding what is truly legally right or wrong in this particular case. :') I do think it's a fair point to bring up that the artists can face actual issues outside of this lawsuit because other companies may never want to hire them or that in general they'll suffer a more poor reputation. Others have brought that point up too and I wish I had the forethought to mention it lol.
But yeah, I know both artists haven't been doing the best :c It would've been good if all of it could've remained private as serious legal discussion should be, but we already know from 2023 that the PMUA doesn't care and just wants to use PM to further their political ambitions. It's pretty messed up, ngl. I just hope that something can be done that won't tarnish everyone's reputation (except GCS/PMUA, they stink lol).
@@sapheravt Yea maybe i overdid it by calling them abusers but mainly cause their actions does cause me a lot of anger(specially if there is any evidence of them knowingly taking advantage of someone's bad mental situation). And yea what i wish for the most in this situation is that if Project moon wins, that they try to focus all the damage on Pmua and that Mimi and Monggeu have little to not consequences if possible, lets hope for the best for the artists and for project moon in the near future and that this all blows over calmly.
Wonderlab's rights being taken could bring further issue to Project Moon since at least 3 abnormality's from Wonderlab appear in Library of Ruina (Servant of wrath, Scaredy Cat and The road home) and removing/altering those could take a fair amount of effort.
The abnormalities that appeared in ruina AND wonderlab initially debutedcin the the lobotomy corp art book as they were originally intended for lob corp(pre wonderlab so they should be in the clear)
Mimi cannot take those away, as they are mainly designed first by Nai_ga. This is something that does appear in the screenshots, and its even something they had agreed before PM and Mimi, that mimi could own the characters she herself made like Catt, Flower, Taii, Rose... but that the abnormalities that pm made like Road home, Scaredy cat, Servant of wrath, Nobody Is, Titania, Alriune's aberrations... those she could not take as they wherent made originally by her as the ownership of those are technically of Nai_ga and it would be his copyrighted material.
@@eryx0329honestly worst case scenario it would probably lead the, just to pay the WL author some money
@@lostgem8225i honestly did not see them there like the road home and scary cat
The stream was just same day as the accusation happend lol.
GCS post at 12am, PM Notice 1am, Stream 6pm
Kinda explains sad wet puppy vibe during the whole stream
I'm not a lawyer but I've dealt with US Copyright law and a lot of countries have similar setups. Based on your description, the artists don't have a leg to stand on in their case. There is too much proof that 1) they don't own Project Moon's IP, and they were paid while as employees.
I agree fr! Their arguments just make no sense and all the evidence seems stacked against 'em. 👀
Honestly, Project Moon as a whole reminds me of Hubert from their own game. Dude knows the world is messed, but tries his best to be the lightest shade of black he can. You cannot really be a morally pure corporate entity, but by golly you can try.
OH MY GOD THAT’S WHO THE v-tuber avatar from the stream reminded me of!
Similar fuzziness???
@@memeinatorun-official144 actually the vtuber avatar of kim is based on the company dog
Yo, praying Hubert get his ego
@@baba50040 I’ve heard as such
But I still feel like Hubert has a similar fluffiness… he feels like a dog(?)
So you guys mean… Yan?
tbh they also can't give up Wonderlab since some Abnos featured there is in Library of Ruina
wonderlab was dookie anyways 😭
Abnos were in lob corp concept book
More importantly they can't give up on Leviathan because Vergilious, Faust, Gubo, the Ring, Charon, Azeah, etc. There's SO MUCH important lore that first debuted there.
manipulation on human is so easy as usual is kinda sad
Hopefully this gets settled swiftly so pmoon can focus on cooking the most peak story for the don canto
The unprofessionalism is honestly funny I rly don't care if people think its bad or weird is like I'm seeing another person in that account rather than a faceless corporation, and just seeing the stream with how endearingly bad it was like a college presentation for an official company is just funny I hope project moon will never change 😭
As someone who’s currently getting into limbus company pls make a video about it I wanna hear your opinions
I basically made a tumblr post about this the day it came out with proof and everything....and i still had people arguing with me saying i was wrong, with, surprise, no proof of their own other than their own personal feelings. And even when i gave them proof they basically just said "no, that doesnt count because i said so." I cannot understand how people that are supposed to be fans of PM and their games could ever defend the PMUA/GCS. But i guess they exist
Yeah. You can see some stray comments here and on my other PM-adjacent vid of people going "uM yOu gOt ThE sUmMeR eVenT wRoNg" and yet zero people post anything about what specifically I got wrong, nor has anyone tried in-detail to correct me without also bashing on me as an individual.
I chalk up to these people being not real PM fans and just instead PM haters for whatever reason, because honestly how can these people still stomach to play the game if they hate them this much looool. It makes zero sense to me. Keep your chin up tho, ignore the weirdos. o7
23:26 LOL IT'S SO TRUE
man i just got back to the Project Moon games 2 days ago after taking a few months break and this happens
yes would love a saph rant about limbus company!
I just lost few braincells and only thing i found out is that pm uses discord to communicate. Damn i shouldnt what those type of videos in a half awake state (its 1am and i cant sleep)
We will die for our Director!
GLORY TO PROJECT MOON!
i don't know if anyone else noticed it but i was going crazy trying to figure out where that little dinging song sound was coming from until i realized it was coming from the video ToT
KGCS is bouta get hit with the worst defamation lawsuit IN HISTORY…
Also this is kind of a losing battle (Character IP copyright :wires:)
Bonus: imagine if the kim jihoon tweets saying “they lost lmfao”
Actually PM did try to sue them for defamation which tbh is hard to prove everywhere to my knowledge. It got dropped
@@2265Hello actually when it comes to South Korea’s defamation laws are actually super different than other countries. Any damages to reputation is liable whether or not you’re telling the truth. So it’s on the accused to prove that the damage sited is being inflammatory. Also you can be charged criminally over defamation in SK. So this shit is serious because PMUA did this on a public platform and that counts as evidence against them
@@ellyhig5928 huh good to know still the last one the last one they did got dropped. It also explains why the KGCS founder was wording items of potential defamation very differently in the interviews. Which tbh i am still shocked by his responses
I am at my fucking liimit with stuff like this.
Yo, lunacy
don’t think i’ve ever been earlier to a saphera vid :D!!! thank you for your hard work, get some rest now! ❤
the PM association demanding justice for being anti-feminist when the major crime was gross mismanagement, which Jihoon then overhauled the schedule to avoid in the future, and decided to keep from expanding the company and maintaining that slower content drip from now on, signalling he saw and understood the problem and seeks to rectify it.
...And the result of the investigation caused by this discourse ended up revealing the developers of Cookie Run are the biggest offenders and no one has any reports of anti-feminist leanings in PM.
im at my limit
yo, lunaci
@@EtsetWasHere*proceeds to circle everything with lime-green crayon, leading to a mass district-wide distortion
you have a voicemail
I believe I said this in the Zet video however the PM community has had a problem with community pressure since LoR and people rushing to assumptions before translated announcements (Ring Yi Sang, Vellmori, etc.)
Cant have shit in night city
10:34 unintentional rhymes makes me so happy😂
Danteh, I have to address the situation Danteeh
Right on time. Can’t wait to see what they have next year.
I shall support them with my money (It's an excuse for my gamble addiction)
It may be not much, but hey, money. Keep 'em lore going
Its not even a controversy...
yoooo, the beelzebub's summon is so new *KEKEKEKEKEK*
damn *WHEEZE*
Going from 15 pages every two weeks (14 days) to 30 pages every (29-31 days) is a overall better work schedule, so I dont see how thats a worse deal than the original as you are given over double the time to turn it in
Calling this a "controversy" is such a false pretense to what amounts to a frivolous lawsuit
Talk about the game and gush about your crush in the game. i adore hearing people's favorites.
This situation is equivalent to an animator from disney or another studio or solo(or a programmer or character designer for a game) copyrighting the entire game behind the company's back and saying the entire show/game.
idk why but im the first one to comment here somehow?
can't wait to watch full vid tho
UPDATE: 8:38 FUCKING 2 AND A HALF SMACKERS DAYUM
Please make a video talking about your love for limbus company!!
Might(will) back up ruina n' lcorp again incase we lose wonderlab, a scrape update might make me distort otherwise.
Wonderlab was already privated during the vellmori incident cuz the artist doesn't want to be associated with project moon unless I'm wrong
Personally, I just can't play any games I want because I have no PC to use, but I did play Limbus last year for nearly a year until before this contrversy hit. And even then, I am completely unaware it happened at all. I was just increadibly busy with work that I am unable to even do my own projects
Hmm it still seems like only the legal case where we see everything will put this to rest
Ugggggh fine I’ll TRY limbus company
The wrath of the green highlighter cometh
it's not a controversy but just a legal issue
Everyone, if this is correct, if you say that project moon had leviathan as outsource work, (business work) which korean law Article 9 of the Copyright Act, so it's a conclusion that there is higher chance for author of leviathan and wonderlab to have the copy rights.
Velmori on the other hand, she never issued copyrights because she was proper employee there, the copyrights of her works are given to the company.
Just getting the informations in for yall who arent familiar with korean laws!
It might be different if they were employed though 😔
And what i mean by properly contracted (even if it was temporal) had to meet
all 4 major insurances and had a standard labor contract had be taken care by the company
And from this point the issue of limbus company wont be tied to only gender issue, but also labor law issue, copyright issues.
Copyright issues are super important to koreans due to their field of “webtoon” too😭 hopefully this goes well for everyone
And kjh just posting their court evidence on twitter was funny along side with him being a vtuber 💀😭
Iirc author of leviathan is PM. The one who is suing is the comic artist.
Korean fans weren't upset that it wasn't a bikini. Please Know This
Many overseas fans have misunderstood it since a year ago
Calling megalia "feminist leaning" is wild
On one hand, i wholeheartedly support artists when it comes to corporate stuff they're small and deserve the help.
HOWEVER, Mimi and the artist of Leviathan are literally shooting themselves in the thigh, as they are making themselves out to be backstabbers that want money over their work, even if it isn't what they meant to do here. PM is the most heartfelt indie i have seen, and they have been harrassed by quite a few groups at this point (the incels and the PMUA). PMUA is nothing but a bunch of leeches that want to take money from both PM and their fans.
Remember, support artists and indies, never give money or attention to corporations that only want cash. PMUA falls under there, as they have done nothing besides ask for money to "help the artists" and try to get PM in trouble with rumors and false information.
Imma be honest but the PMUA fundraisers iirc were PayPal links to the organization. Which begs the question why? Why not a fundraising site or at least link artists PayPal or patreon?
@@2265Hello cause THEY want the money, they don't wanna give it to the "victims" here
@@apuffball5754 unfortunately unless someone asks the questions no one will think twice about something that appears to align with their beliefs
25:49 I zoned out for a few minutes & when I come back from it the first thing I hear is Saph talking about sucking pp?????? Did I hear that right? I rewinded & I still have no idea if I heard that correctly or not after listening to it more than once 👁️👄👁️
Ken penders lawsuit got a korean sequel :skull:
38K LUNACY???????
LMAO I only pull during Walpurgis! :3 Otherwise I just save all my tickets n lunacy and dispense,,
i mean, i have 35 lunacy.
@@sapheravt As god intended, Walpurg is the only time any man, woman or child must roll the banner as their announcers are Walpurg only and the IDs of the current Walpurg can only be sharded in the next one which is 3 months of no epic ID.
Lobotomy Corporation? Sounds cool! Where do i sign up for a lobotomy?
Great video, now get some rest 😅
LOL THANK YOUUU, I WILL SLEEP SOON I PROMISE AFJWJF
To quote Roland: “Exhausted? Tired. Need sleep? Hungry. Want out?”
Well. this didn't end up the way I think it did..
OH GOD GBF AND LCB?! STOOP PEPOLE KNOW BOTH?!!
After some unsavory social media rage events that I'd rather not say (I was a stupid Nintendo fanboy back then all you need to know) I always have this perception that all companies no matter how much they try to make us think that's not the case will always have a hidden blade on the back of their hand. A company, in their nature, will always in one point or another get into a controversy out of their control, and regardless of the impat they have on my life I'll be sure to call them out on it in a fair and just and non-biased manner, Project Moon included.
That being said if the court rules this lawsuit on favor of the PMUA you are free to put a cognition filter on my mouth. If we're heading to the darkest timeline the least I could do is warn you all that my reactions to these aren't necessarily E for Everyone.
Keep being awesome and thank you for my PM news.
Yo, lunacy
Lunancy yo
Does anyone know the music in the background?
I used about three-ish songs here.
Beginning & After Summer Event Stuff: Lobotomy Corporation OST - Neutral 01
Summer Event portion: Limbus Company - S.E.A. Theme
Conclusion: My personal BGM that I adopted from Kou - Memory: Fragments (Kou's Twitter: x.com/CatVtuber )
Also this one (LoR)
ruclips.net/video/rfqJ2IO1-F0/видео.htmlsi=UTs5ZuGAsGv0XGX6
People need to stop supporting groups and start supporting individuals like i don't give a damn about no damn artist i support those i can and know that are not pieces of garbage simple as that. When you support a group it normally goes they can't do no bad then the bad eggs ruins it for the rest and it becomes i hate this entire group of people. just stop saying i support artist, voice actors, etc. and show support for the individuals that just happens to be an artist or is a voice actor, etc. and i like the work they do.
no way, that's basically just mindlessly hating something and being a sheep following hate train without knowing which is wrong or right.
you have something called brain. it will be better to use it to collect information and make your own conclusion.
Like PM already HAVE proof that they paid the artist for their IP.
Hi!
I hope your precious Sinclair lives on
I PRAYGE HE DOES TOOOO
If the livestream was accurate, we have over a decade of LIMBUSSY WHOOOO
Yes talk about the game
About incident started a year ago, i swear some people just mant drama and nothing more
Imagine seeing the game company and the only thing that matters for you is some random posts from an artist, don't people have the right to their own opinion even if it is very radical? And plus it was long time ago, poeple changes with time you know? What a snowflakes
please give us a dedicated limbus video please please please please please please please please please please
psst don't repeat corporate lines as truth
Feel bad for pm. They did some bad stuff but like don’t all corp do? But like that a year ago. They learn from it and improving most people move on, only bitter people don’t
Also we don’t have proof at least definitive proof form the artist of mistreatment
hm i dont know if i would even call that "bad stuff" from a year ago... sure, they could probably have handled it better in some ways, but from what i have heard over the month or two the situation was salvaged to a good extent and there seemed to be no ill intent between artist and PM... the biggest problem imo was that PM tried to resolve the dispute behind closed curtains, leaving a lot of room for misinformation and speculation with everyone presenting the worst case scenario as fact
@@pappendeckel2.096 they were a small company so that prob why they didn’t really handle it better. Plus it doesn’t help that both side are very extreme does put a lot of pressure on a small company so no wonder they made mistakes and should have been more transparent
@@Rin-co7usyea no, I mean that this is totally understandable, also resolving stuff behind closed curtains can be the right move, for example not inflating something that is hardly an issue to begin with.
Also the recent dev stream gave some more insight into PM, and I am in completely good faith of them, especially after reading through the stream transcript and hearing how KJH runs and intends to continue running his school club
@@pappendeckel2.096 I 100 percent agree with you. It really depend on what it is to decide if something should be public or not. It just nice to see a company improve on there mistakes. Just hoping people move on and look toward the future not the past not saying it you but other people
This is NOT very limbussy
Will say Mimi the wonder lab comic creator have an actual case since it was more of a fan comic. Mogu, the leviathan artist, doesn’t seem to have much of one and if anything only owns the comic drawing portions of it and nothing else. I still don’t get what their exact goal with this suit it really seems like it can hurt their careers.
That aside I wish twitter was this passionate about hating Activision blizzard too cause at least they would be more visibly consistent
5:41 that what she said
Idk 🐧
Ofc this girl is a "big corpo bad evil greedy!" Ugh. Eye roll
I think the issue with wonderlab just come's down to bad communication
FIRST COMMENT :3
Another one 😞???
Both artists did such bad job and now they wanna IP lmao.
No I disagree based on what I’ve seen of them. They clearly aren’t in the best places in their lives atm. Not to mention pm really could have handled all these issues better
All drama is related to gender and nationality nowadays smh
ngl idk how you can get upset with a wetsuit. they're so hot
they're not cultured enough 😤
they didn't upset
Im all for hating on misogynist but uhh yeah this ain't it for sure.
15:24 ermm actually every1s nb(nonbinary)🤓👆