TOOLS DON'T MAKE AN ARTIST - Response to Shadiversity
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Shadiversity’s Original Video : • A love letter to Ai ar...
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imagine having a brother who is great at art and instead of asking guidance, you decide to become a prompter XD.
Imagine being part of a bandwagon that hates a new art tool just because it's popular to.
@@AlexReynardImagine being so self-centered-heartless-moronic-dbag that can't differentiate which tool is used for improving and aiding one's skill and tool that shamelessly-lazyly-unethically-stealing someone's works because you're so lazy to put hard work into it
@@AlexReynard brain dead comment
@@AlexReynardwow.. even in replying to a comment you can’t come up with your own creative response.
… JUST LIKE AI “ARTISTS” OMG!!!
@@joshbkimmusic You guys are devoting so much attention to hating something that's enjoyable for others, it's sadly childish.
People with disabilities can make art more expressively without using text converted to illustration by a machine... as can any artist.
The language is the problem.
That is why sticking a banana on a wall can ironically be art.
Our societies are confused about what art is and what craft is.
A recipe is not the same as a meal.
The reason why I refuse to call somebody like Shad an „artist“ is because he clearly has no eye or even interest in the soul and personality of an artwork. He thinks his AI looks „better“ than his hand drawn stuff and doesn‘t even seem to REALIZE that the AI-characters lack all the personality of his originals. All he sees is how many colors and shades the new artwork has. It looks more detailed, therefore it‘s „better“. It‘s the same soulless, disengaged attitude towards art that makes people day the CGI „Lion King“ movie looks strictly „better“ than the original, because it looks more „realistic“.
If you have even a passing interest in art, you do NOT look at art THAT simplistic.
Shad has a basic knowledge of how to draw. There is a fundation there to build on. But he doesn‘t care enough for the craft to develop it. Which makes him NOT an artist.
While I agree with your overall point, I believe everything you pointed out just doesn't make Shad a *curious* artist. that is a tired and withered form artists can take IMO, but it's still valid.
One point my friend and shad seems to also be making is, that when you have sufficient skill, you can just generate an image and "just fix it". Which i dont see why that would work, since to develop these skills, you still have to work and the best way to train is to actually draw. And if you go through the effort of learning how to draw, wouldnt it be just easier to draw it yourself? With your own style, having control over the thing you're drawing, instead of using an AI slot-machine-like system of rolling for good enough image, to just start fixing it? I would argue the fixing would take more effort than doing it yourself
Image editing is a whole different skill set from drawing/painting, and lacks all the most fun parts of the art making process. Plus matching the weirdly smooth texture of AI imagery with manual editing seems like a hard task
Also I've seen a ton of people claim AI "finally allowed them to express the vision in their heads". How vague was their vision that an AI could replicate it when I have a hard time getting the colors and composition to match my mental image even when I have full control over the image?
IMO, if Shad really had an artistic drive, he would continue producing drawings like his old ones instead of relying on AI. His old drawings may not be flawless, but they have more character than the AI generations.
I strongly suspect with Shad that he got to a point with his art where to get better was harder and required more effort than he was willing to put in. Combined with that is his inflated ego, where he believes he’s brilliant at everything he does. So to solve the incongruity between his actual artistic abilities and his perception of his artistic abilities, he convinced himself that he “doesn’t enjoy drawing” and gave up. Then AI came along, a low skill, low effort application that makes him feel like a pro because it produces results superficially look really good. So it strokes his ego in that he can fool himself into believing he “created” the image without requiring actual effort or ability that he lacks.
I'd rather people spend time drawing shitty drawings than saying they're an AI artist lol. Even CRAPPY drawings on the subreddits get upvotes lol.
Ai art generators seem like they could have really interesting potential down the road in certain applications. They also seem like they could be greatly abused in a market where it can already be really hard to make a living.
The Shad thing, to me, feels profoundly stupid (for the record, i think he is reasonably intelligent) is that he has all the info to know and acknowledge what this tool is and what it means for the wider artist ecosystem. His brother (jazza) IS by any metric, a bona-fide artist, regardless of what anyone thinks of his (Shad) credentials.
All it would take on his part is to properly recognize the issues and the limitations and to actually be honest about the skill involved, and most of the controversy around this would just evaporate.
Instead of doubling down and thru his very own video about it, show us that, at best, it's the equivalent of fine tuning a Google search. With basic Photoshop skills thrown in.
As presented, he is an AI art director, not an AI artist. Though he put work into it, the image is not truly his work and can never be.
To me, this all boils down to this; he found a cool toy that he enjoys messing around with and is annoyed that some have rained on his parade for using it. It likely doesn't help that his brother is a wildly successful artist with multiple channels and a whole studio of people working for him while he is the medieval enthusiast with a plywood castle in his back yard. (Tbf, he seems successful in his own right, with a thriving channel and a novel.. or 2? Under his belt. It's just not on the same level)
And now he's dug his heels in as some sort of FU to his detractors
From what ive gathered. Plenty of artists would've been happy to contribute to the training models. But only if the people supporting it didn't start off by saying they'll replace artists and stealing their work.
Imagine how much better the current models would be if artists were to help give new data for the program. Even if artists were commissioned to create specific things. Its supporters are building a country full of bridges while being spiteful to the brick makers. Improve techniques all you want. You'll eventually run out of good bricks and you can't do anything interesting
@@legojay14i saw a job for an artist at one of these firms.... and just the wording of the job post was just awful. They wanted someone who would help build a bridge between them and artists, but the post made it apparent, they wouldnt respect the person they hired.... what a thankless job.
@@saliferousstudios Probably got some crypto bros in it. They consistently fuck themselves over with over confidence
I don't think that his novel can be counted as an achievement. It has the same problems as everything he does. While his brain has some capabilities, he's really bad at recognizing his shortcomings, of which there are far more than he believes. His ego ruined his book and is eventually going to ruin his life.
Shad goes on about "creativity" "artistic eye" "knowledge" "illustration ability" "process" yet has shown none. There's no roughs, there's no sketches, there's no inking, there's no coloring. There's no baseline foundation to build up anything. This is just glorified photo-manipulation from a prompt AI image yet he thinks he actually "created" a piece of art.
I'm laughing so fucking hard at you. You sound exactly like the old fart at the end of that Skrillex song who says, "We have technicians here making noise... No one is a musician! They're not artists because no one can play the guitar!!"
Seriously, it's never been looked on favorably to say, "That's not REAL [x], because you're not doing it using the process that's familiar to ME!!!"
@@AlexReynard So how much did you pay for your cryptocurrency?
@@AlexReynard art is communication between sentient beings and ai isn't communicating anything.
Shad is a client who does shitty photoshop work over the AI generated images.
Cope and seethe.
@@AlexReynardand dubstep is dead for good.
@@Julez60 >art is communication between sentient beings and ai isn't communicating anything.
The people who made the software are people. The person who directs the image it makes is a person. I love how, in your rabid defense of art made by people, you guys are totally okay with dehumanizing every person involved in making this kind of art.
Jazza the actual artist > Shad the AI client
Man...that dwarf image you held in high regard is seriously one of his most cringey pieces. The distortion of dimensions that are happening to his right arm and hammer are Escher-level. The anatomy and proportions are seemingly trying to keep up with that weirdness. For someone who claims that his skills in anatomy and character art are "without a doubt" on a "professional level", this is just embarrassing.
It's fine as amateur art. Certainly shows talent. But when someone's ego is as overblown as his, the art is destined to become the laughing stock, the meme, the evidence of incapacity.
This was a very nuanced response to Shadiversity’s defence of AI art. It’s not just that it’s a short cut, AI also prevents you from getting proper feedback and improving on your mistakes too.
The advice about the triangular perspective was good too. I’m also going to check out some of those artists. So, thank you.
@@insectostrich4407 You're welcome ! thx for the nice compliments
@@noagolden It just kills me that Shad has fallen off over time. The worst thing is, I’ve been taking advice from him and it has been helpful, but now I’m just questioning how long has he been wrong or biased for? Should I trust this video that Shad’s Mormon beliefs blind him or that his book has bad worldbuilding and terrible morals? Or not?
Sorry, it’s just been rough going through all of these dramas and not knowing which side to take.
Shad keyed in what he wanted Ai to find for him...the Super Girl photos etc. However, Shad did NOT draw those images. He didn't draw the pose, the flowing hair, the ripples in her red skirt and cape, the Superman insignia...NOTHING. When I use to make Tekken fanart wallpapers, I never claimed the Tekken characters as my own. It was fun to graphic design, but all I added were effects from brushes in various photoshop apps, blurs, filters etc. Editing and playing with filters isn't the same as illustrations.
I can go on forever. Ai is probably fun to mess with to see just how many requests the machine can develop, but nobody should be saying "I MADE THIS".
Je suis tombé dans le rabbit hole des controverses sur Shad depuis quelques jours et je pensais vraiment pas tomber sur une vidéo d'un frenchie haha
Trouver des frenchies qui s'interessent au drama anglophone, c'est comme trouver des pokémons shiny
I'm gonna fist fight you on this IRL,
But shade isn't an Artist in the way he always claims he is in his AI art video; if you want to call him an artist in other ways sure.
But he has said himself that he does not like the creative process, or putting in the effort to learn.
He has outright said he doesn't want to learn the basics because he feels it is a waste of time when AI can make a pretty picture for him.
If you have no love for the craft, and only the result.
You are not an artist; you are the person in line at Subway waiting for the sandwich maker behind the counter to hand it over to you in a bag.
What Shad is a a Charlatan parading around a subway sandwich as if he processed any of it himself,
Just the way he talks about his craft? Already speaks volumes.
You used a video about ai to gush about interesting art practices and good mentors, fair play!
I'd like to point out that Shad's art is not a proper realistic style either, the faces are very realistic, but they don't fit in with the rest of his weird generated bodies, it's a headdive into the uncanny valley.
absolutly right, that's an excellent point. You've also figured out my game, gg
Props to you mate. Was this unscripted? I really appreciate the points you made. It's a different side to the argument and reminds artists that it's not just about the ownership or gratitude owed them, but the meat of the art itself, how one becomes better, stronger, faster, through working at being an artist. Even if it's not fun and can be a grind, it's still essential.
It was scripted, but I deviated a lot
@@noagolden i see. either way, good video. As someone who's also trying to be a good artist I hope you reach your goals too as an artist.
Seeing that your previous vid was few years ago and short and now you replied means that Shad Brooks has indeed inspired others. Too bad for him as he has only inspired mockery and merciless disassembly of his "arguments".
I hope I wasn't coming off as mocking but yeah, you could say he inspired me to point out a few wrong things
@@noagolden He did inspire me and many others as well, but in different topic. Results were similar tantrum from him.
as an artist, who has been doing this since 2014 seriously; I will take MY time. It's my work, my hands, my style, my work. If you want to be a part of that you play by house rules, I'm not budging on that ever.
Looking through shads art he seems to be stuck basically using how to draw styled things, as though he picked up several different how to draw _____ books and never evolved beyond learning to replicate what was in them books. It's almost like he wants to be able to create realism in his work but lacks the skill and drive to get there.
lets be real its all made by tech bro's to make coom images :3
You are one step away. Photobashing is outdated. Concept artists are smashing and morphing downloadable 3d assets together nowadays. Comercial art is recycled uninspired crap nowadays anyway. Producers hates originallity and creativity.
References? Are you implying that real artists don't just make it all up in their head?
Dude... Shad's art is at a middle school level at best. His example of AI improvement is comparable to him giving his low skill art to a professional artist and having them completely reinterpret the piece and hand that back to him. In either case, he is not the artist of the final piece.
It’s a shame that Shads jealousy of his brother lead him to being so toxic about Ai though. I mean, I will agree, I felt he actually does put some work into it, he does have a point, and I do think he is a decent artist…. But he didn’t have to be such a penis about it.
Also, maybe I’m just broke, I never understood the art flipping thing. Been doing art for 20 years and have heard this only the last couple years, but I simply don’t see what it is supposed to be helping me with… just looks like the art flipped to me…
Bien expliqué et exposé face contre les faux artists. Juste à cause juste de cet outil qui foire la créativité de l’humain au lieu que l’outil nous montre comment on doit faire. Comment on est arrivé là.
you made some decent arguments
Great video!
As a total non artist myself, it's funny seeing the purity spiral resulting in removing the artist "title" from people using AI tools.
I think a lot of people are angry because since the tool is much better, it's harder for people like me, who don't know better, to aknowledge how much better they are compared to the mediocre user of AI tools... add to that the fact that demand for digital art will diminish a lot, and you will see a lot of people getting culled from the market.
I fear that outside of the art ecosphere, most people don't reallly weigh up the pros and cons the same, and they hold more general esteem for "manual" art compared to digital art anyway.
Otherwise, it's the most informative and fair minded criticism video i've seen since i fell into the Shad vs the world rabbit hole
As an artist myself I completely agree. I keep hearing how learning art history is important for an artist (it isn't) and yet a BUNCH art college graduates are using against AI the same arguments from over 100 years ago against photography and again repeated 30 years ago against 3d animation. Eric D July put it best, what really matters is what the audience wants, and only small niches will care about self-imposed limitations from the artists.
I don't think Shad was making the point your arguing against.
Course tools don't "make" anyone.. His point was that those who're already good artists, are better at utilizing the AI tools than those who aren't. Usually that implies they've taken art classes and have spent time doing things by hand, to gain that experience.
There's no reason anyone should limit the use of such AI tools or act like they're bad, they add yet another enhancement to modern digital art, that can be used, or not. It's up to the artist.
Very vrai
rohh, espèce de ✊
Chad is only slightly better than me and in a year I will probably be better than him as I draw and I don’t use ai 💀 stop crapping on artists shad artists always work to improve not cheat using ai
This style mixing thing Is going to become popular no need to complain about it. It is that distinct AI style
And this is something what can only AI do humans can't do style mixing
The way I see AI usage is when you paint stuff which is important and then let AI do all the unimportant stuff.
It is dumb to spend all day making a picture which your audience will view for 5 seconds and will not even notice details
style mixing is already popular, though that was the whole point of the Ethan Becker part. AI mixing a lot of stuff faster doesn't make it better.
No, the tool doesn't make an artist, the artist uses the tool, that's obvious
You would think it is
Like with Photoshop
What if the artist is a tool?
it's the artist who trains the AI, as it's the artist who takes the pictures with the camera
@@nuniezjorge Thank you. So many people who feel it's acceptable to be openly rude to AI artists strike me as the type of people who'd refuse to pay their wedding photographer because, "All you did was stand around and click a button! Anyone can do that!"