Hornby Flying Scotsman Loco with Steam Generator- Review, R3991SS.
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- its very, very good, but not perfect! Flying Scotsman with Steam Generator ,
The Flying Scotsman fitted with the 'New' Hornby Steam Generator and the HM7000 TXS sound chip.
I have waited two and a half years for this model to be released, and was really looking forward to running it! On the whole a game changer for model railways, however the model is not perfect, but I am defiantly not disappointed.
Join me as I take at the all new Hornby Flying Scotsman,
Great video. That's a nice looking steam engine, she runs well, her sounds is great too and smokes coming out from the chimney is nice as well. Thanks for sharing. All the best Josh
Hi Josh Apologies for the delayed response, Thank you for watching and your kind words it is a great engine form Hornby.
An excellent overview of this locomotive here Dusty Shelf Collectables, I can certainly see why you are very happy with this, I myself would like to try out the steam generator, I already have tried out the HM7000 system though as at the beginning of June I purchased a 21 pin and 8 pin sound decoder and fitted them to a heljan DP2 and Hornby Class 50 and as you say it is a game changer, I really like the HM7000 system and will be getting more of those sound chips when I can, as for the steam generator as I say I would like to try it! What I’m hoping for although it may never happen is I’m hoping hornby will release it as a separate item so then we can fit it to locos that are designed to take it, for example I have one of the new black 5s and one of those later this year is going to be released with the steam generator so for me with me already owning one of the black 5s which I do intend to fit sound to using the HM7000 it would be good if the steam generator is potential released as a separate item for us to fit to models designed to take it, good video,overall, hope you get lots more enjoyment out of this model.
Many thanks for the kind words. I do like the idea of a separately sold steam generator, Just thinking about loco retrofitted and not to mention how it could be added to a yard seen, with steam coming from a shed, Unfortunately may not happen, I am reading that the P2 and Scotsman have different water capacities so I guess the fitting is very specific but at least the 7000 system is interchangeable and very good. Thanks again Matt
@@dustyshelfcollectables Excellent overview - on mine the smokebox door clipped back into place but maybe I was just very lucky. I wholeheartedly agree that a separately sold steam generator would be fabulous, but the complication with retrofitting this particular type of steam generator is that it requires an extra timing cog on one of the driven wheel axles to synchronise the chuffs - you'll see it if you remove the base keeper plate. Having said that, I recently purchased a couple of the new 'Great Gathering' A4's and happened to notice that they are pre-installed with these timing cogs, so perhaps the A4 will be a future 'steam fitted' release (after the recently announced W1 with steam generator).
Now all they've got to do is add the illuminated lamps and you've got the whole package. Waiting for either a GWR or Southern loco to get a smoke generator and I'll have one.
Modeloco had the same issue and Hornby sent him info regarding CV's. Might be worth watching his video about that.
Yes the illuminated lamps would be good, and I am sure A GWR will be released sooner or later. Thanks for the tip about the CV code, I saw the advice from Modeloco last week and gave it a try it made it better but not a fix. I have posted a video of my findings if you are interested. I am still playing and in the process of pushing the cv's further. Anyway thanks for watching and the message.
I just ordered one. Im just getting into British steam locomotive. I think they are beautiful machines. I live in Nova Scotia east coast of Canada and we have a few British locomotives in a museum in Ontario that were given to us. A4 class I do believe one called Republic of Canada the other is Dwight D Eisenhower. I may have spelled the last name wrong.
Hi Matthew, thanks for watching, I saw both of the A4's when they can back to the UK in 2010. My eventual aim is to see them in there home museums, one day. I still can not believe how far away my videos are being watched! Anyway thanks again and enjoy the loco when it arrives.
@@dustyshelfcollectables Your very welcome. Here in Canada we actually have a lot of nice old Locomotives. We have a number of 4-6-4 Hudsons left too. We actually donated one to the State of California because the USA scrapped all their Hudson 4-6-4 Locomotives. We have one that just got back from a tour to Mexico. The A4s we have I don't know if they run but they look very beautiful. Pure eye candy.
@@MatthewsModelTrains Sadly the A4s you have are non runners when they came to the UK they were cosmetically restored and big money was offered for them to stay in the uk , but rightly they returned. I hope one day to get back to Canada I have been a few times but only to Montreal and Quebec, next time Id love to explore the railway heritage.
@@dustyshelfcollectables If you ever get a chance visit Nova Scotia. We have a beautiful province that's mostly rural with epic cost lines. Our roads are crap though lol. Some look like they have not been paved since the second world war lol.
Just received mine this morning, it runs beautifully, not tried the steam generator yet. Great review and very thorough.
Thanks for watching and talking the time to comment - enjoy the Steam!
Great review of a really nice Flying Scotsman.Someonecsaid theres has sprung a leak where the bung goes in also i think Hornby should have supplied a couple of spare bungs in the detailing pack as i can see a few of these bungs going missing.Hirnby should also carry spares in case anyone loses theres.but great review
Apologies for the delayed response, I totally agree the bung is so small during the filming I dropped on to the track and very difficult to find. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I have one of these and tbh, I think I'm going to be sending it back. Like yours, I've noticed that the smoke box door isn't on flush. They're not glued on and only rely on the railings at the top to hold the door in place. This means that the bottom keeps popping out. I've also found that water leaks out of the smokebox door and forms a waterfall at the front of the loco when running at the higher speeds. Putting the smokebox door back in place properly doesn't help as the pressure of the pump pushing water on to the atomiser is pushing the bottom of the smokebox door open. I've contacted Hornby and apparently changing CV211 to value 60 and CV212 to value 45 should resolve the leak problem (I guess they reduce the force of the pump). After doing this, I didn't see any improvement and like you've said, I've also had the issue with the chimney getting clogged, which means I'm regularly having to blow air on it to get rid of the bubble that forms. The last straw was after I filled it for the last time and no steam came out at all. I pulled out the water plug to check the level and found it was empty. I then lifted the loco and found that water had been pouring out from the bottom of the boiler. I find it rather ridiculous that this hasn't been designed so that the water is properly sealed within the model and is able to leak out from a number of places. It's such a disappointment after two years of waiting.
Oh dear, Unfortunaly it does sound like you may need a rtn, I've not had water running out on mine, but now I worry about the longevity of the model. The smoke box door is annoying, I spent some time looking at it and the only fix I can see is glue and I wont do that. It is a shame after waiting 2 years but I guess it takes these bugs to allow the pushing of boundary's in the hobby. When it works I still think it a game changer. Anyway thanks for watching and taking the time to share you experience, I will be interested to know if Hornby can fix if you return.
I’ve had problems too, I think my water tank also leaked and the loco ground to a halt, with a strong burning smell, totally fried, I’d had it for ten minutes, sending it back for a refund, won’t be bothering to get another one….!
I always liked the look of the Flyinc Scotsman, it is just regal. I was excited to hear about the steam generator and thought we had a replacement for the old oil burning type, but your report of the clogging quelched that enthusiasm. What a perfect addition to any collection after a substantial wait. Great video, Jersey Bill
What the hell is Flyinc Scotsman? It’s FLYING SCOTSMAN.
Hi bill, Its a lovely engine, I got on the fool plate at the national railway museum earlier this year which was fun. I can see past the clogging as when it works is is so well done, really different in person to the old smoke generators, I am sketching out a video at the moment to compare the old and new, hopefully in a couple of weeks. Thanks as always! Matt
I am the worst for typos so I will say its just that, a typo we all make them!
@@ThatRailwayEngineer I was making fun of the box the locomotive came in. In the beginning of the video, you can see the arched printing with FLYINC SCOTSMAN. lol
@@user-uk8jr6zc9l The Box does NOT indeed say Flyinc Scotsman.
The G, for some reason on Flying Scotsman, looks more like a C than it does a G, and the box is representative of that but it most certainly isn’t a C. It is the font of the lettering, nothing to do with the box.
Looks great !
It really is a game changer - thanks for watching.
Waiting for mine to be shipped from Rails hopefully soon
I hope it arrive soon for you - do enjoy when it get there! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
A really excellent and thorough review, thank you for posting. I have been thinking of getting one of these and now will order one. Hoping the CV211 adjustment as mentioned by Andrew will fix the steam issue. Maybe you would try that and be kind enough to report back? Thanks.
Hi thanks for your kind words and I am glad my review was helpful, I will give the CV 211 a go and post back.
I tried the CV211, defiantly an improvement i think but still cut out after a while, Just posted a video with the findings.
I had the same problem with my P2. If you use filtered water it solves the problem. It seems to be impurities in the water congealing and forming a film over the hole in the chimney. Hope this helps.
I will give that a go, thanks for the advice.
That firebox door not fitted correctly is a fault & I'd return it for a replacement, repair, or refund.
Yes, still thinking about, Keeping an eye on others experiences.
Thanks for the review. Ohne question: So the smoke generator does not need to be activated separately, but instead detects that there is liquid in the tank and then starts?
Apologies for not responding sooner I have been away. the steam generator is activated when the running sounds are switched on. so you can run without sound and steam, but not with just steam or at least if you can I couldn't find it. Anyway many thanks for watching.
Great video review of this stunning locomotive. When you fill up do you use tap or distilled water? I can remember the days of old car batteries of long ago, when we used distilled water and not tap to top up the individual cells.
Apologies for the delayed response, it doesn't actual specify but it a really good point and I will give distilled a go.
Thank you for the review. I received mine yesterday but unfortunately still in the box. ( Not for long)I purchased the Prince of Wales last month interesting it’s says 5ml max capacity on this one yet on the flying Scotsman, it’s saying 3ml ? The problem I find with the steam generator i have to run the Loco for while before it kicks in not sure if this is right. I also have the black five on order like you said 2 1/2 years is a long time and I believe it isn’t due for another few months yet. Thanks again for another great review all the best, Carl.
Hi Carl Hopefully you have had a chance to run your Scotsman, Interesting about the capacities, It does raise a few questions never the less when working its amazing. I had the issue of not working initially but one past that I only have the issue of blocking. I've also got the black five on order, 2 1/5 years on, I will have to see if I have the cash for that one when it finally arrives. Anyway thanks for watching and taking the time to comment/ Matt
Hi
If you have a look at modeloco review of this loco i think he has a fix for the water clogging i think you need to change cv211 from 65 to 60 which should stop the clogging if you have a look at part two of the Flying Scotsman he explains it all in the steam fix video hop this helps
I have just taken a look, I will give that ago, thanks for pointing out!
Hi Dusty, great review. Did you manage to sort the fire box door?.... In the close ups, it shows that it has dropped down (I wonder what is actually holding it on) and so it is not in-line with the aperture in the smoke box; That is why it would not close when you tried to press it into place. cheers for now Derek
Hi Dereck, I've not gone back to it yet, I need a bit of time to carefully investigate, there a several very fragile parts around it and with my eyes will need a magnifier. Ideally shouldn't have to look into fixes but in the big scheme of the loco you do really have to look for the Issue so not the end of the world. Thanks for the advice and also for watching. Matt
Crumbs, for the price you're paying and that bad fit of the smoke box door, it would be going back for a replacement. It may be only small, but it should be right, IMHO.
I will have a look at the door, you do have to really look for it. I need some time to look properly as there are some really fragile parts in the area. If I cant fix it then I will give Hornby a shout. Anyway thanks for watching!
Still waiting on the black 5 to release
I have one on order but will have to see how the cash flow is when it finally arrives, I guess only a few months to go. Anyway thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Does it have to be ran with the new HM7000? Or can it be ran on standard DCC?
Apologies for the delayed reply, I don't know for sure I guess I would check with Hornby, I believe yo can control Hm7000 chip through a Hornby digital controller but not sure with the steam fitted. Anyway thanks for watching,
Next year for another £150, you will have the version with steam coming from the cylinders and pistons. Chinese working on it already.
Apologies for the delayed response, I wasn't aware, sounds intriguing but £450 for a loco, I cant see myself going there. Anyway thanks for watching and the info.
Mine also clogs the chimney up every 30 seconds. Looks like a design fault to me - if using slightly less water doesnt cure the problem I'll be returning it.
I will be interested to know how you get on, Thanks for watching .
Your Scotsman produces a lot more “steam” than my P2 does. Have you adjusted any CV’s?
To be honest I wouldn't know how too! So no, the video is as it came out of the box. Thanks for watching,
Is the reverser etc on the wrong side of the cab? Or was Scotsman once right hand drive?
As originally built as an A1 Flying Scotsman was right hand drive, it wasn’t converted to left hand drive in 1947 when it was overhauled and rebuilt to an A3, this model depicts it with the earlier British railways crest so dates this model to 1949 to 1956.
@@davidstrains4910 thanks for the info
It’s actually not a small price to pay Hornby should be doing better but ever since they are Chinese made there quality has dropped massively
I look at the complexity of the model, I try to be fair noting the bad but balancing with the overall. This one I felt was ok, others I've not been so kind. But thanks for watching and sending the message.
do you have to have a HM7000 etc to have one of these steam generators? or will it run on ant dcc controller.
The HM7000 decoder comes fitted already. And yes you can use any controller.
I believe there is an intention to sell the steam generator as a separate item so a side it will always come with a Hm700 0 decoder. But if you have a phone or alike with Bluetooth I would recommend trying the controls in the App, I personally found them quite good.
Is it normal or it just my model
When I turn on smoke
The boiler is getting hotter
Apologies for the delayed response, I am afraid not something I noticed but I would expect some heat. Thanks for watching.
@@dustyshelfcollectables thanks for the help mate
Very poor quality, hope you returned it!
Not yet still keeping an eyes on others experiences, when it works it works well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.