WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE TEST RESULTS??? I FEEL LIKE RANGED COMMANDERS ARE BALANCED, BUT NOT OP. Subscribe with notifications turned on so you don't miss my next video. discord.gg/chisgule
Nice video, Chisgule. Got a question after some comments, dunno if anyone knows yet. In a well organized kingdom, I see uses for this in kvk. Another guy mentioned big players will prefer mobile marches, but what about defensive lines at river/choke points by some when they go offline? Brings up a question: can you set one up and bubble? Will it then remove your bubble when an opponent gets in range? 🤔
Chisgule you used T4 against T5 majority of the times. Why not explain it in the video? I got so confused when the other got 30k sev and other 10k sev but the same power loss.
High tier sieges with Margaret and Babur have good prospect to be used at open field battles. We can imagine lot of towers attack enemies from far away at the same time. However, the problem is high tier sieges are usually considered useless. Kingdoms who want to be in low tier of KvK usually instruct their members to delete high tier sieges.
Chisgule is saying, "He going to set tower up, go afk and come back for positive trade." Rok finally giving AFKer some love. Well at least for the period of War frenzy.
I expertized these two commanders and equipped Margaret with full epic armor (legendary siege gloves). Fighting with full T5 siege troops, the results are massive, especially in the Altar of Darkness.
for the test run where the troops were on top of the siege march (at 15:45), they swapped to t5 half way through, so the cav power trade looks pretty good XD
From 1079 here, have gathered quite a fair bit of ranged points using v formation in our kvk, but in situations where we fight near allies it's too awkward to use these towers because of friendly fire, you end up chipping away at an ally in the field without realising. They're more useful in situations where it's just our coalition fighting in that area
Only way this will work is in a KvK with the blockade function because you could do something like holding Altar by putting Ranged in the middle & have a murder ball surround the Ranged commanders to hold the Altar
I want to see someone try Margaret as a secondary to an archer or infantry commander with high stats and a relic. I used Thutmose/Aeth and had positive trades against Scipio/LC in kvk3.
Hey thanks for the community for your testing I think there is a possible better talent build with going for cage of thorns which you benefit a lot from and shaving the right side of the engineering tree. Not quite sure about over raging cause since your not attacking you gain less rage per turn so 150 rage from rejuvenate might be used. Also a few infos not displayed is you cannot Switch to tower on ennemy territory. Also when switching back to normal you dont gain rage . Also there is something odd with march speed since you cant really flea tobyoi actually want that much of it? Gj as always !
THANKS CHIZ, HuntedLegend here 1243/watu king. I have possible game changing questions! Can you stick buff/debuff commander's 2nd in command behind them and would it buff/,debuff? Also if its possible to use these commanders towers to hit rallys that's targeting a flag or pass? And if hitting the rally is Possible would the tower take damage?
Thanks for the video as usual. You are a gem to our community. Thanks for what you do. I have a question btw. Which of these 2 commanders should be maxed first assuming i dont have enough ghs to max both at once?
Few questions come to my mind. What happens if you atack a rally/garrison/city with ranged mode. Do you get lots of sevs yourself like any other march would? Do all passive skills work like expertised richard slow? Can you rally with engineering commanders and use active skils while not being in ranged mode?
You can't hit buildings using the tower.. but you can hit a rally.. and yes it will take tons of counterattack because it now functions like a normal march..
Never understood this either… You are a ranged tower firing from a distance, how exactly are you taking damage from them that far? In the real wars those trebuchets would absolutely LAUNCH flaming rocks etc very far at the enemy and I never saw them taking fire in return 🤷♂️
This! It should be that archers are the only ones that do counter attack damage since in theory they can shoot from a distance. Towers could have been fun otherwise.
You think these could be used as sort of guards against farm killers? Like if you own a zone and set up a bunch of these so your taking damage if you try and run around and kill gathers
haha you know with all the respect for Chisgule that knows PLENTY of the game content, and have experienced many different scenarios thruought these years playing - but something I think this guy lives on a parallel reality where every player is a high spender and every kingdom is an Imperium kd. I mean, 17:57 dude i mean, what if you like this playstyle and WANT to play it? What to do then? How to pair in case of having only one of them? How to protect this march? What strategy can be interesting in case of a 5111? How to set other marches to protect this one? argh anyway, I may be just venting it's just that in all stages of development, something can still be of use, depending on how you are organized. Well, thanks for the content again
As I showed from the 5511 testing, I don't think it's a great result. Better to stick to META field IMO if you don't want to go for expertise on two ranged commanders to run the combo. I believe that at some point toward the end of the video I said in the video that if you just want to do it because you want to do it, go right ahead.
I have a fear, the next new commanders are gonna be 1 Ranged on Wheel of Fortune & 1 Archer on MGE. Unless Babur will just be only on the Leadership Wheel
Thank you for the tests, I've been waiting for this test for so long. I have like 2000 golden heads and I was wondering if I should spend my heads on these commanders. On the other hand, can a ranged troop get kills or wounded troops for SOC statistics? and can a ranged troop attack a city? does it receive counterattack damage? thank you for your response :)
@@aleckboudreaubecause f2p players likely won’t have the excess spare gold heads to spend on these to max them. Then add in the cost of t5 siege and their necessary gear/armaments. F2p would still get better ROI on working on normal field or garrison marches.
@@rouiearcheryand EVEN if it could, taken counterattack damage from some heavy counterattack damage rally will make ranged commanders weak. You deal less damage from ranged but still take the full counterattack damage ? Not good
Range com are good concept but of no use specially for f2p, low spenders and players with less marches.. issue being the use of GH and investment in eq using normal material... I'd rather finish my field com and eq before ever thinking into investing into range coms.. if they were epic I'd definitely think about them..
I think Lilith actually destroyed ranged with update and sev wounds on range. It was good for lower power people to get somehow involved in combat. Now its good for nobody. Big spenders will always prefer one more mobile march and small players wont spend 1400 gold heads and do gear for sth like that. So yeah, its probably only good for Chisguls farm and a few more farms liek that... I doubt we ever see ranged in battle unless Lilith changes sth.
Hmmm... Feel like feeding your opponent with T5 siege killstats & left with big hospital bill. Yes you can deal some damage & earn kvk stats but in reality, it will get swarms since it can't run/retreat immediately so trade would be worse 🤫. Which go back to main question should you spend 700 GH + gears + armament & for it 🤦🤷
Well, it would not be wise to just leave a ranged march alone. Put some ranged marches together and protect its area with regular marches and "boom", you have the job done!
When range commanders take counter attack from the march they are attacking, these commanders will not be suitable for low spenders. Whale with high level crystal tech, legendary crit+iconic equipments, and legendary formations & armaments will make the people regret attacking.
Can range commanders shot from across the gate... Imagine a scenario where you need to attack a gate that is being held by enemy can range commanders attack gates or passes?
All I see is proof that ranged is terrible. The staggering amount of money, materials, and time to lose every fight is pointless. Ranged commanders should have been Epic to ease the strategy in and lower the paywall to try it out. TY to Chisgule for eating that cost for everyone.
They should have just changed some of the Integration tree commanders to Engineering because hardly no one uses Integration mainly the siege integration commanders to give Gathering commanders versatility. Epic Joan would have made a good Ranged commander.
This is very much disadvantage for the game, Why imagine no one wants now to launch murder ball because they just build towers like 20 to 40 then you can't even kill them sucks for infa main here this is the worst now!
2957 kingdom there is a king he is more a dictator then to be a king he s with his alliance 57kr he think he know everything and all that have not the money for it to buy or build he attack them or take over the alliance is that rise of kingdom then this game is who have the most money is the boss lets see if ROK like this
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE TEST RESULTS??? I FEEL LIKE RANGED COMMANDERS ARE BALANCED, BUT NOT OP. Subscribe with notifications turned on so you don't miss my next video. discord.gg/chisgule
Nice video, Chisgule. Got a question after some comments, dunno if anyone knows yet.
In a well organized kingdom, I see uses for this in kvk. Another guy mentioned big players will prefer mobile marches, but what about defensive lines at river/choke points by some when they go offline? Brings up a question: can you set one up and bubble? Will it then remove your bubble when an opponent gets in range? 🤔
Ah, the ol' march bubble...
Chisgule you used T4 against T5 majority of the times. Why not explain it in the video? I got so confused when the other got 30k sev and other 10k sev but the same power loss.
Thanks alot brother, always a big help to the community. I have few questions I posted in comments when and if you get time brother!
High tier sieges with Margaret and Babur have good prospect to be used at open field battles. We can imagine lot of towers attack enemies from far away at the same time. However, the problem is high tier sieges are usually considered useless. Kingdoms who want to be in low tier of KvK usually instruct their members to delete high tier sieges.
Chisgule is saying, "He going to set tower up, go afk and come back for positive trade." Rok finally giving AFKer some love. Well at least for the period of War frenzy.
Doesn’t work, you have to actively target.
hmm mine does automatic (during altar) within range but with normal commander.... ill try it with margaret nxt time (altar)
This is what I was confused about as well. I didn’t think they attacked marches on their own.
@@solidoustopher when you are war frenzy. I believed they automatically attack enemy
I expertized these two commanders and equipped Margaret with full epic armor (legendary siege gloves). Fighting with full T5 siege troops, the results are massive, especially in the Altar of Darkness.
for the test run where the troops were on top of the siege march (at 15:45), they swapped to t5 half way through, so the cav power trade looks pretty good XD
From 1079 here, have gathered quite a fair bit of ranged points using v formation in our kvk, but in situations where we fight near allies it's too awkward to use these towers because of friendly fire, you end up chipping away at an ally in the field without realising. They're more useful in situations where it's just our coalition fighting in that area
Only way this will work is in a KvK with the blockade function because you could do something like holding Altar by putting Ranged in the middle & have a murder ball surround the Ranged commanders to hold the Altar
Now a wall of ranged towers can be a good strat depending on the situation
I want to see someone try Margaret as a secondary to an archer or infantry commander with high stats and a relic. I used Thutmose/Aeth and had positive trades against Scipio/LC in kvk3.
At the moment, any items like dagger and webs do not apply to ranged attack. We need update asap
Does horn of fury and skill 4 herman can trigger in ranged mode ?. And how expertise margaret that exactly work?
@@kiettruonganh8811 I didn't try horn on the ranged attack cause I don't have one...I believe update has not been done properly yet.
@@동네학원원장 when you test pls cmt at this place. I waiting u. I'm try become seige main player
@@kiettruonganh8811 I will
Hey bro i had test amulet not working too
Hey thanks for the community for your testing
I think there is a possible better talent build with going for cage of thorns which you benefit a lot from and shaving the right side of the engineering tree.
Not quite sure about over raging cause since your not attacking you gain less rage per turn so 150 rage from rejuvenate might be used.
Also a few infos not displayed is you cannot Switch to tower on ennemy territory.
Also when switching back to normal you dont gain rage .
Also there is something odd with march speed since you cant really flea tobyoi actually want that much of it?
Gj as always !
Best hitting a March when not getting hit itself
I watched the live
THANKS CHIZ,
HuntedLegend here 1243/watu king. I have possible game changing questions!
Can you stick buff/debuff commander's 2nd in command behind them and would it buff/,debuff? Also if its possible to use these commanders towers to hit rallys that's targeting a flag or pass? And if hitting the rally is Possible would the tower take damage?
Nice info as always!! Really enjoyed rhis video.
Amazing video! Have you tested any of the other engineering commanders?
Thanks for the video as usual. You are a gem to our community. Thanks for what you do. I have a question btw. Which of these 2 commanders should be maxed first assuming i dont have enough ghs to max both at once?
Probably margaret for her slow and debuff
Heads looking extra shiny in this vid Chis
Hi Chisgule, it is maybe that Scipio does not have the extra health until it reaches the tower and starts attacking???
Exactly
Thanks a lot for doing this well and saving me a bunch of time. Do you forsee events like invictus for babur?
Yes. Babur and margaret you can roll in invictus tavern
Few questions come to my mind. What happens if you atack a rally/garrison/city with ranged mode. Do you get lots of sevs yourself like any other march would? Do all passive skills work like expertised richard slow? Can you rally with engineering commanders and use active skils while not being in ranged mode?
You can't hit buildings using the tower.. but you can hit a rally.. and yes it will take tons of counterattack because it now functions like a normal march..
@@lmntsgames3848 that auto hit rally, isn't?
@@lmntsgames3848 and how can we use tower poperly😢
So weird to see that the ranged tower gets counteratt dmg in return despite attacking from a distance
The dumbest function
Never understood this either… You are a ranged tower firing from a distance, how exactly are you taking damage from them that far? In the real wars those trebuchets would absolutely LAUNCH flaming rocks etc very far at the enemy and I never saw them taking fire in return 🤷♂️
would be too OP if it doesn't even take counter attack damage.
Balance mybe?
This! It should be that archers are the only ones that do counter attack damage since in theory they can shoot from a distance. Towers could have been fun otherwise.
Is Margaret/Babur the only pair as I don’t own Babur?
Yo I loved the Video but when are we getting one on the new leader ship commander
soon : ) still watching how he's doing in big kvks and learning from the performance.
I don't have Babur, could a support commander like Mulan or Trajan be a workable substitute for the short term?
Is it possible to use this pair as a Trap Account with just Ranged and Siege
Thanks for sharing the value of the new commanders with us. You always bring good value with these types of videos.
You think these could be used as sort of guards against farm killers? Like if you own a zone and set up a bunch of these so your taking damage if you try and run around and kill gathers
You need war frenzy. So I used to it but that not work well
hi Chisgule., i when will be heart desire event be open/available. My Kingdom is 3014.. thank you in advance for an answer
Heart desire event starts when pass 4 opens in SoC kvk
haha you know
with all the respect for Chisgule that knows PLENTY of the game content, and have experienced many different scenarios thruought these years playing - but something I think this guy lives on a parallel reality where every player is a high spender and every kingdom is an Imperium kd.
I mean, 17:57 dude i mean, what if you like this playstyle and WANT to play it?
What to do then?
How to pair in case of having only one of them?
How to protect this march?
What strategy can be interesting in case of a 5111?
How to set other marches to protect this one?
argh
anyway, I may be just venting
it's just that in all stages of development, something can still be of use, depending on how you are organized.
Well, thanks for the content again
As I showed from the 5511 testing, I don't think it's a great result. Better to stick to META field IMO if you don't want to go for expertise on two ranged commanders to run the combo. I believe that at some point toward the end of the video I said in the video that if you just want to do it because you want to do it, go right ahead.
Does Having a ranged attack make Nevsky considered swarming do 30%- defense reduction or does it need to be a actual march
Very nice Dr.Gule
I don’t understand why the ranged march takes damage from attacking at range!? 🤔
Why can't archers attack from range?...because it's a game bruh
Great video ❤
Would Margaret Aethelfled or Margaret Mulan work? Because towers will pack in groups?
these combos would not work because neither aethel nor mulan use their active in tower mode.
If you don't have enough to invest on both commanders
... is it possible to get a help from Matilda (epic)?
Would not recommend. Use two ranged commanders, even if not maxed.
where i can summon her? i missed the event coz im busy
Hey chis , is the secondary cleo and seondeok , these two are have siege stats, is will work ??
no because you're missing the active skill from cleo and sundeok when you're in ranged. Active skills are the best ones on the commander.
@@Chisgule i see , so only those who are have engineering talent both on primary and secondary only can be used for range ( V mode ) right??
How much gold and mats did you use for equipment?
probably around 50M gold
thank you chis for your amazing content
We still don't the epic versions of range commanders. It would be be nice to have epic ones
I have a fear, the next new commanders are gonna be 1 Ranged on Wheel of Fortune & 1 Archer on MGE. Unless Babur will just be only on the Leadership Wheel
If you max the support tree, you slow them down as they approach you also. but I guess it hardly matters if you are getting swarmed lol.
If that works then it is worth it, does it hit 5 targets ?
@@ryanforgo3500 I think just 1. no AOE for range commanders yet.
I really like the ranged attack …. Very good for f2p players :)
Gosh…. nice one. 👋
Thanks bro
Thank you for the tests, I've been waiting for this test for so long. I have like 2000 golden heads and I was wondering if I should spend my heads on these commanders. On the other hand, can a ranged troop get kills or wounded troops for SOC statistics? and can a ranged troop attack a city? does it receive counterattack damage? thank you for your response :)
Dont waste your heads yet. Watch it get nerfed
I saw someone with 80m+ power getting zeroed by only some towers , they didn't even get any dead troop 😂
imagine if they auto fired on barbs
auto barb farm all day baby
😅🤣😂👌
Could you make ysg an engineering commander in the new kvk format?
I think that you could
for f2p players who are there just to support its a good idea i think
No
@@user-ks7mt5jp7j Why not
@@aleckboudreaubecause f2p players likely won’t have the excess spare gold heads to spend on these to max them. Then add in the cost of t5 siege and their necessary gear/armaments.
F2p would still get better ROI on working on normal field or garrison marches.
Depends if you already have your field marches all done and you need something new, my opinion
What happens when you over rage?
over-rage is fully wasted. It doesn't count against you, but it also offers zero benefit.
They look amazing but be honest who’s going to fight with range commanders maybe in a Z KD 😂
Going to run around with pakal😂
Free kill everywhere
“I maxed out margret and Barbur in 1 day”😭
This is going to be insane on pass rallies, you just put a ton of people behind a pass, swarm the rally, swarm all the people trying to fill
Sorry but it cannot shoot though province
You can't shoot through passes though..
@@rouiearchery so it can’t shoot through interprovincial thoroughfares
@@rouiearcheryand EVEN if it could, taken counterattack damage from some heavy counterattack damage rally will make ranged commanders weak.
You deal less damage from ranged but still take the full counterattack damage ? Not good
@@ryanforgo3500 That isn't problem with t5s they just need to inflict debuff on them
13:52 Conclusion: Ranged suck against Cavs
Imagine they have slow while in tower mode
Dude I'm scratching my eyes out it's pronounced may-lay not mee lee
Range com are good concept but of no use specially for f2p, low spenders and players with less marches.. issue being the use of GH and investment in eq using normal material... I'd rather finish my field com and eq before ever thinking into investing into range coms.. if they were epic I'd definitely think about them..
I think Lilith actually destroyed ranged with update and sev wounds on range. It was good for lower power people to get somehow involved in combat. Now its good for nobody. Big spenders will always prefer one more mobile march and small players wont spend 1400 gold heads and do gear for sth like that. So yeah, its probably only good for Chisguls farm and a few more farms liek that... I doubt we ever see ranged in battle unless Lilith changes sth.
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Hmmm... Feel like feeding your opponent with T5 siege killstats & left with big hospital bill. Yes you can deal some damage & earn kvk stats but in reality, it will get swarms since it can't run/retreat immediately so trade would be worse 🤫. Which go back to main question should you spend 700 GH + gears + armament & for it 🤦🤷
Well, it would not be wise to just leave a ranged march alone. Put some ranged marches together and protect its area with regular marches and "boom", you have the job done!
When range commanders take counter attack from the march they are attacking, these commanders will not be suitable for low spenders.
Whale with high level crystal tech, legendary crit+iconic equipments, and legendary formations & armaments will make the people regret attacking.
pog
calvary is faster than infantry, that's the reason.
Can range commanders shot from across the gate... Imagine a scenario where you need to attack a gate that is being held by enemy can range commanders attack gates or passes?
No
Can you shoot over passes?
@@pachewable that is a question for Chisgule
I really don't like ranged being so strong
16m was that t5? Power was even and 3:1 sevs.
All I see is proof that ranged is terrible. The staggering amount of money, materials, and time to lose every fight is pointless. Ranged commanders should have been Epic to ease the strategy in and lower the paywall to try it out. TY to Chisgule for eating that cost for everyone.
They should have just changed some of the Integration tree commanders to Engineering because hardly no one uses Integration mainly the siege integration commanders to give Gathering commanders versatility. Epic Joan would have made a good Ranged commander.
Great idea, but how does that sell more bundles?
What’s really cringe is that inf takes another L man. So frustrating.
Can you Hit over a pass
isn't that useless? it doesn't even count in kill points but in range points
it's inflicting sev wounds, and as such is very useful.
he has 80mil power tho
Why would you attack marches standing still and not in combat. That would never happen as the march would always be hitting and using skills
my thought about range commanders is just a new trick to consume your gold sculptures, your materials and your resources. not impressed at all
Ofc it is. But by expanding legitimate gameplay options they grow the revenue stream long term too.
Gotta remember they can only hit one march no aoe yet of course they probably will make aoe towers f me 😆
This is very much disadvantage for the game, Why imagine no one wants now to launch murder ball because they just build towers like 20 to 40 then you can't even kill them sucks for infa main here this is the worst now!
Have said it since the whispers about ranged attacks hit, this feature will ruin the fighting experience.
😂
This is where you should delete the game.
Lol
2957 kingdom there is a king he is more a dictator then to be a king he s with his alliance 57kr he think he know everything and all that have not the money for it to buy or build he attack them or take over the alliance is that rise of kingdom then this game is who have the most money is the boss lets see if ROK like this
That's the game lol