Liu Che Test Results [should you invest?] Rise of Kingdoms
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Here's everything we learned from testing Liu Che in an Ark of Osiris practice match in Rise of Kingdoms (ROK).
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0:00 Why Liu Che is Good
5:33 Busted extra attacks
10:51 Rally Reports
12:24 Open Field Testing
22:49 Should you max Liu Che?
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Great vid but you need to try Pyrrhus/Liu Che
That's really promising. No one is going to run a Huo Nevsky anyway because taking Joan out is stupid
Fleish's testing with Liu/Alex was VASTLY different to yours. I think its being Fleish's was double relic and not the Alex in yours.
Can you figure out a way to simulate a murder ball? Much more realistic for 90% of fighting. I get duels gives you a clearer understanding of the skills but not necessarily pairings.
How do you think it would work with d relique maxed hannibal? His skills may be good with liu
No joke, I just went on YT and was looking to watch this exact vid. Perfect timing :D
Thanks for making the time to test new comm. ✅🔥
Thx chis was waiting for your this vid
hey chis great vid! so cool! you forgot about pyrrhus lol!
I appreciate your live streams, I watched it live. But it would be cool if you can figure out do test with multiple marches to simulate a murder ball. It’s pretty rare you’ll be doing duels. While Sargon looks better in 1v1 but Alex adds shields to Allys and damage buffs to enemies. That could tip the scales. Just an example. I think that would be more helpful. Right now my whole kd is waiting for murder ball reports lol
Obviously the Guan-Liu combo didn't work against Boudica-Zhuge because they shrug off Guan's silence and deal extra damage because of it. Maybe should have tested it against other infantry combos would have given a much clearer idea.
He fr said that lol
I have been waiting for this all morning 😂
After putting some thought I think you should pair a smite with a skill almost always that way a skill damage debuff or a normal debuff only effects half of your march
I'm marveled at Chizgule’s ability to carve out a 28 min video about fairly useless tests (again, no gear 1vs1 tests ffs) where he dedicates a couple minutes to the only really important thing that he should have been testing, which is how Smite damage interacts with current damage amplifications and reductions and what the extra normal attack from the expertise can or cannot trigger, just to basically say "would be cool to test all of that, huh?"
hmm
hey @chisgule
what do you think about Liu Che and Phyrrus? think there might be some synergy?
don’t forget that Sargon-Liu Che combo doesn’t only win a 1v1 battle but also boosts your other marches that do skill damage.
why not trying liu che primary with sargon cause talent diffrent between those 2,or is it bad?
Hi. I've got only scipi and Alex exp'd so far. Would you recommend going for Liu instead of Guan or Sargon?
Chisgle I need help who should I go for first Sargon or the new inf commender. I already have one march of inf and need help for the second march.
@Chisgule you didn't test Liu as primary?? The results are popping off for Liu/Sargon as the meta pair. Takes more sev wounds but for the extra sev wounds they take, you're getting almost twice that in sev wounds dealt.
Did the CM have a double relic?
W livestream last night 😊
I'll wait to see some murder ball reports first. How many times do you do 1v1 duels in kvk situations?
please test honda and hera to see if they reduce incoming smite!
I don’t know some people play this game for so long , this game was fun when I just started playing like 2 months ago, I stopped playing but still watch your vids lol
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Coz players like you don't belong in time investment game like this. Just go play casual game.
I have tareq and guan and scipio and sergon the great and alex and Harold max should i work on liu che ??? I use only infantry
I think I'm going to wait to see if an infa season of conquest commander will come out. I have about 600 sculptures saved up and counting
how do you downlaod the pc version of rok what app is it?
Liu Che/Attila in Strategem with Martial Talent performs very well, but with most things you've outlined about Liu not broken, just effective.
I think I should do Guan/Sargon till I get the expertise on Lui. Then I switch to guan/Scipio and Sargon/ Lui. Does that make sense?
Sargon liu be better
Hello bro please look in my kingdom the infantry wheel of fortune will come after a little bit and i am a f2p is it better to get scipio or LC
Thanks for the vid as Always Chisgule!
6:55 "You don't take counter attack damage"
Still waiting for that guy who said you get countered with extra normal attacks reason why it's bad.
All you need is read the skill description and that guy still failed to understand.
Yeah lol I hope they also say its has cooldown 🤣
Is LC Pyrus is really good in game or it's just in test, please?
guys can i ask? do you put armaments and equipments in your secondary commander? will they add stats to your march if you do so? thank you
no, its only work on primary cmd
Guys I need a little suggestion about who should I expertise next, so I'm currently running Saladin/Nevsky and Scipio/Alex, I have enough sculptures to only replace either Alex or Saladin with a meta commander such as Huo,Sargon,joan or lui che, which commander should I go for amongst these purely for open field?
Joan if u r going to be a cav main and liu if inf(I'll prefer cav)✌️
@@Beautiful_Pakistan7 I run mix troop type so the type don't really matter I just need the best march possible for it, plus shouldn't I prefer huo over joan?
@@raeesshah257 still i would prefer joan bec scipio/alex is a good march, Scipio provides aoe which is necessary for open field and u need an aoe commander for ur cav so joan is better.after that u can go for liu or huo or maybe an archer march if u want.and the last thing is where r u from bro😆?
@@Beautiful_Pakistan7 fair enough, I'm from Pakistan
@@raeesshah257 nice 👍 name se andaza ho gya tha😁✌️
please try liu/aeth duo... I want to see if aeth dmg boosts after liu's first skill (which does a slow down effect)
Hello Between Huo and Joan which one is better for f2p?
I just maxed Scipio prime, what should I go for now, guan, Liu or sargon.
Is being in a stronghold like a flag or pass or fortess consdered " on the map"?? if it is not....then only his first 2 skills work in a garrison.
Could you do a video for those of us that don’t have all these prime commanders and just have older ones how ever have a Liu che.. I like the Fredrick combo as I have him
Hey not sure if you did it but what about guan Skippy vs Sargon and Lui che
Takeda + liu che (artifact). Got hit multiple time by this combo in my kvk, and it's perform good for them
Hi bro... may you can a test Liu che with Honda please?
Whats suppose to be the talent tree if he goes as primary comander? 🤔
is a 5551 Sargon considered good with Liu please?
Nice! I guess Im skipping LC. Im okay with my 5 Epic marches. thank you!
If ring of doom activate two times and override the first one will it add 2 seconds duration making the effects to last longer?
Ring of Doom won't active twice because it has 5 second cooldown the moment it activates....Lui Che can activate Horn of Fury twice tho.
What if you have 3 infantry pairs what would you suggest
👍🏻 love the new commander
Weird question, if you give him a Cav artifact in warriors unbound, how you think he'd go with Nevsky or Joan? 😂
Which formation should be used for sar liu
What talent build seemed best for Liu Che?
Wouldn't the extra normal attack generate a large amount of rage on its own? So Feral Nature would be redundant on those turns?
No, actually feral nature is even better. If you watch closely Sargon Liu tests, you can see that they cast active skill very fast because of feral nature. Even Huo isn't much quicker than Sargon Liu in casting first skill.
Yeah. It's the same principle of the more rage you generate, the more valuable it gets right? So yeah, Feral + double NA is over raging, but that only happens with a 2.5% possibility. Compared with the 7.5% + 25% chance of either a double NA, or a Feral proc, both which would generate max rage on that turn. @@irakli1264
so hes not worth getting unless you can max him and get the extra normal attack
What about Pakal pairing ?? No one said this will that work?
Did you test maybe a Charles/Liu Garrison?
Which formation do you recommend?
The love my Freddy got on your livestream was amazing. So if I don’t have Sargon I can swap Freddy in
Really interesting...did not see Sargon/Liu being so strong
There are many other tests (e.g. in Fleischs livestream) which are showing that Liu Alex performs really good. Some reports even better than Liu Sargon.
Boudica 5551 with ysg double relic is better
The reports do match up between the two streams. I'm guessing Sargon is tankier vs incoming skill dmg but deals less dmg:
Bou ZL > Liu Alex >> Nev Joan
Bou ZL < Sargon Liu > Nev Joan
To be optimal, try Alex/Liu
For someone going into kvk3 for the first time would investing in a Scippy Liu che March be the move for inf?
Absolutely Scipio
Scipio hands down
Just got into kvk3 what should my first infantry pair be?
Martel/Liu che or martel/Scipio
Then investing in sargon
Everyone keeps attacking me can you help? In rise of kingdoms city number is 3322 my alliance is king Blake.
Hold up, does this mean you can actually use Sargon as 5551? Since there is so little skilldamage involved?
Would liu che work better as primary
Do you think Liu needs to be maxed to work? I‘m a low spender and won‘t be able to get his extra normal attack. Should I still go for him?
Bro it's easy to upgrade a comander
I have guan/scipi and pakaal/harald, shall I get liu che?
i wouldnt investi in him
Can inscriptions trigger?
Can you please make a video on how to level up your commanders in the Mid game cause im in the mid game i only have 1 commander above level 40.Thank you😊😊
Do guardians when they appear. Only way to level up commanders super efficiently in a short time
You should only be worrying about leveling up commanders in the early game? Are you leveling up all commanders as you go? You should rarely be leveling commanders at your stage. Only the ones you use. The game gives so many exp tomes that this should not be a worry.
Where can i get him?
Just as Count Chisgule predicted!
Lol you should try Attila and Liu Rally 😅
For all the f2p that dont have the latest and greatest commanders, liu che and alex will slap infantry and cavalry marches on the open field. So yea, your alex is just fine, no need to spend 700 sculptures to get sargon
Essentially what a came here to know! thanks Dude!
Overall a must have for 2 infantry march. How much better than Mehmed II?
What about martel double relic with liu che
How about with Liu che with tarik. ?
Is Scipio Liu or Sargon Liu better?
Alex should be the primary when pair with Liu Che, not the other way around. Big difference.
They have the same talent tree right? What's the difference
@@swordsaint9712 Alex's expertise make the enemy take more damage after active skill and then BAAM: Liu's active skill. lol
In Fleish's stream Alex primary didn't do as well, perhaps needs better talent allocation or the rage generation from equipment ?
😂😂😂 Liu should be the primary . Alex will boost the inf atk by 30% passive stats + additional 40% when "not shielded" a total of 70% atk boost. That will boost Liu Che's active skill dmg if alex is primary.
yes first reaction!
Anyone had tested him pair with pyrrhus with double reclic? he buff a lot of normal damage
lol no one willing to max him, let alone put two artifacts on him… 🤣😂🤣
Ooops right on time
Imagine bert/liu with the artifact
Please test with Phyrrus
I have been trying relic'd Constatine (extra normal damage) and Liu to decent results as a tanky march; he is already doing damage that approaches my expertised Guan/Skippy march and Liu is not even close to expertised. I recommend trying it.
Charles n Liu will be my combo
Fleisch tested Liu + alex beeing the best combo .. tests were made in arc and home Kd
This AOE animation is pretty cool.
Dont know if liu che will have his wheel or not
Pyrrhus Liu che. Pyrrhus has a TON of normal attack
Yes but low Skill Damage active. If it's atleast 1700 he'll be better
Yes plz run Pyrrhus primary. Please feed me and the boyz free KP.
@@jamielane8696 as a duel
If all I have is Scipio/Alex is it worth it investing in Liu Che to pair with Scipio? Is it much better ?
Yes it is, I had the same pair and got Liu and performed pretty good
no because cavs and archers are still better
Sargon/liuche for open field? or Sargon/scioio or Scipio/Liuche ????
summary about liu che
1. need expertise for full potential
2. can be paired with:
-alex ( high dps but squishy march in murderball this combo just gone get hit by aoe surrounding even not targeted lol)
-sargon ( balanced and super good in 1v1 duel but in murderball situation hard to stack sargon dmg and liu hardly to shine )
-scipio ( no need introduction, anything with scipio is getting better, consistent march for this meta )
basically if want to know liu potential for field just do 5v5 fight then see how it goes with all gears stuff equiped
Scipio primary and Liu che secondary right?
request good talent build for liuche pls
next inf garrison have both smite damage, they meant to pair
I think horn of furry isn't much good on liu che because the talents will be Triggered at the same turn that make him over rage i think karuak war drums is better if you overrage at least your allies will benefit
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Everyone only talks about expertised Liu Che... What's about f2p players? Is it better to skill Liu 5511 or 5xxx random?
I guess now I’m benching Leonidas. Gonna run Sargon/Liu and Guan/Scipio.
How did you not bench him yet lmao
LoL. Sun tzu will beat Leonidas 😂😂
@@Noahac2I was hoping for Sun Tzu Prime 😢
@@nufcbob4115 don't worry. Sun tzu will be the 1st epic to transition to a legendary
Surprising it is not mentioned that liu che hits 5 and has defences. Guan yu hits 3 and is glass. No one duels their way through kvk 1v1. Guan yu is done.
What about pyrrus
Tarıq lui che vs sargon lui che ?
tbh i'm still not convinced sargon/liu che is the best pairing. in theory Pyrrhus still feels like the natural fit to liu che with all the normal attack damage boosts he has. plus with the amt of def pyrrhus gives u even if u swarm him he's not going down easy. like before equips and all that pyrrhus/liu che is already getting 55% inf def with pyrrhus's double relic. not to mention 40% skill damage reduction(20% from ea)
Correct
I know but think lilith need remake pyrrhus like change skill active skill damage to smite or remake double relic pyyrhos. +10% skill damage Will useless
I have recomendation that if lilith agree pyyrhos Will suitable with Liu che. +25% infantry attack, +15% defense infantry, increase Shield damage factor from skill Shield and sarissa from 500 to 800 and decrease cooldown from 8 second to 7 second
@@ppbp4muhammadizzim.945 the 10% damage skill damage from pyrrhus's double relic also helps pyrrhus's active skill so it's not so bad. it's the 35% inf def that u care about. as for pyrrhus's active skill it's not about the skill damage but rather than 20% normal attack damage boost that u care about.
@@Phasing86 bruh i rather change skill damage pyyrhos to smite damage than +10% skill damage 😂. +20% normal attack from pyyrhos and +10% normal attack from Liu che better. And Will be new style in kvk 1. In kvk 1 too Will have new pair Pyyrhos Joan epic
Knowing how extremely greedy lilith is I'm not surprised the best pair is Sargon. They did it on purpose because Sargon was kind of a bust and not many people were investing in him. Remember when lilith lied and said they were going to slow down new commander releases (after sargon) because people were tired of always playing catch up. And now they are droppi g new commanders faster than ever...
Well they just released belisarius prime who was good for swarming but pretty mid in general
Sargon + Liu or Liu+ Sargon???
Wich formation i should use?
Sargon Liu and Arch formation