Nice video and great skiing. But I do think that you should be careful with the use of word ”rotation”. I mean, her skis are turning more that her torso, so she is (counter)rotating her body compared to her skis.
True.. Maybe i can be more clear here.. what i meant was that the upper body should not rotate in such a way that it would face more to the side than the skis in the transition. Rotating your upper body to the opposite side (facing the fall line) in the transition is a good thing to do i believe..
Yes, you could be more clear 😁 I think we probably agree here on what is the ”perfect technique”, but I also think that the word rotation (and counterrotation) are the basis of the most misconceptions in Alpine skiing. The way I see it, a good skier is constantly rotating around his/her pelvic joint. It’s simply THE basic skill in Alpine. It’s just a question of timing: how you syncronize your upper body movement with the movement (turning) of your skis. Basically, when you turn left, you rotate your body anti-clockwise above your skis, and clockwise when you turn right. It’s what happends in between that makes this intresting. Now, do I understand it correctly, that you are saying here that you should be careful to initiate the counterrotation early in the transition, and to be careful not to rotate in to the turn with your skis?
@@sampovaljus6230 excellent description, much better than i could write it! I´m trying to say exactly what you wrote: to initiate left turns, body should rotate anti-clockwise. unfortunately many skiers are doing pretty much the opposite, (rotating clockwise for left turns) which makes it much harder to get the skis into the fallline. Of course there is a limit to the rotation you can do in the anti-clockwise direction on left turns and vice versa, but usually this is not the issue many are facing.
@@beattheclock7509 I used to watch Kjersti Bjorn Roli ski on course at Alyeska and she would really exaggerate her counter-rotation to the point where she was almost hitting the gate with her back. I learned that if you feel like your hands are even in front of you while skiing, you’re actually dropping your inside hand and over-rotating. You have to exaggerate keeping your inside hand higher so that they’re actually even and you’re not over-rotating. Once you get true balance points down and aren’t over-rotating, then you can add inclination and subtle skeletally aligned rotation through the turn.
@@keirfarnum6811 I agree on the fact that when skiing it feels as if the inside hand was a lot further ahead and higher, so to avoid this tendency it´s good to keep the inside hand forward.. However, I don´t think hitting gates with your back is the way to go either as too much counter rotation will prevent outside ski pressure.
OK....how come NO top WC skiers do this? NO ONE today AT THE ELITE LEVEL skis with such pronounced angulation. Watch the end of "Ski Racing Angles... an evolution over the years". They all have dramatically less angulation between torso and force axis, but achieve even higher edge angles. There is also much less counter....current skiers keep their hips square to the direction of travel. So, the way that top WC skiers are doing it today runs counter to everything you say here.
@@CyberEdits7 LOL....that comment just makes you look clueless. WC racers ski the way they do because they create the highest edging forces of any skiers.
@@CyberEdits7 I am still not understanding your argument. When you are at the limits of human performance, of course things get sketchy, and form goes away. So what? Your argument makes no point. My point is that this high degree of break at the waist (getting short...instead of staying tall) creates a WEAK position. I know this all to well as it is a flaw in my own skiing / racing. To handle the highest degree of forces you have to be in a relatively TALL position, but highly inclined. Highly inclined = high edge angles. Tall = strong. This is EXTREMELY hard to do. Why? Because when you are tall, your range of corrective mechanisms is very limited. It is hard to adjust your edge angles independent from your overall inclination, and it is hard to shift your center of mass, relative to your inclination. It is hard to maintain control. When you break at the waist, side angulate, and counter, you create all sorts of additional corrective mechanisms. You can adjust your edge angle. You can shift your center of mass. You have a much larger "toolbox" to maintain control. It is a easier way to ski, and easier way to maintain balance. But is is WEAKER. WEAKER means you can not go as fast in the turns. Why is it weaker? Think about doing squats. My 1 rep max is about 365 in a squat with proper form and range. But if a do a "cheater" squat...say only go down through about half the range of motion, I can probably handle 5 plates per side (495), because of the geometric advantage with less bend in the waist, hips joint and knee. This is literally the challenge of high level turning....maintaining control at the highest loads (speed in turn). Staying tall is like a cheater squat. It makes you STRONGER. So, to race at the highest levels, the challenge is to turn at maximum edge angles, standing mostly on one ski, in the strongest position.
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Thanks for another great video, Seb. I have been working on what you suggested and this is big help.
Awesome!
You're so funny! Love your commentary :)
This is a great video!
Thanks a lot!
A fellow SeaWolf! I skied on the UAA squad for four years myself. Cool!
Awesome!!!
before angulation maybe some inclinaison? even if Rebecca doesnt do here...
Oh yess thats the word i was looking for!
First inclination, then angulation!
Nice video and great skiing. But I do think that you should be careful with the use of word ”rotation”. I mean, her skis are turning more that her torso, so she is (counter)rotating her body compared to her skis.
True.. Maybe i can be more clear here.. what i meant was that the upper body should not rotate in such a way that it would face more to the side than the skis in the transition. Rotating your upper body to the opposite side (facing the fall line) in the transition is a good thing to do i believe..
Yes, you could be more clear 😁
I think we probably agree here on what is the ”perfect technique”, but I also think that the word rotation (and counterrotation) are the basis of the most misconceptions in Alpine skiing.
The way I see it, a good skier is constantly rotating around his/her pelvic joint. It’s simply THE basic skill in Alpine. It’s just a question of timing: how you syncronize your upper body movement with the movement (turning) of your skis.
Basically, when you turn left, you rotate your body anti-clockwise above your skis, and clockwise when you turn right. It’s what happends in between that makes this intresting.
Now, do I understand it correctly, that you are saying here that you should be careful to initiate the counterrotation early in the transition, and to be careful not to rotate in to the turn with your skis?
@@sampovaljus6230 excellent description, much better than i could write it!
I´m trying to say exactly what you wrote: to initiate left turns, body should rotate anti-clockwise. unfortunately many skiers are doing pretty much the opposite, (rotating clockwise for left turns) which makes it much harder to get the skis into the fallline.
Of course there is a limit to the rotation you can do in the anti-clockwise direction on left turns and vice versa, but usually this is not the issue many are facing.
@@beattheclock7509
I used to watch Kjersti Bjorn Roli ski on course at Alyeska and she would really exaggerate her counter-rotation to the point where she was almost hitting the gate with her back. I learned that if you feel like your hands are even in front of you while skiing, you’re actually dropping your inside hand and over-rotating. You have to exaggerate keeping your inside hand higher so that they’re actually even and you’re not over-rotating. Once you get true balance points down and aren’t over-rotating, then you can add inclination and subtle skeletally aligned rotation through the turn.
@@keirfarnum6811 I agree on the fact that when skiing it feels as if the inside hand was a lot further ahead and higher, so to avoid this tendency it´s good to keep the inside hand forward.. However, I don´t think hitting gates with your back is the way to go either as too much counter rotation will prevent outside ski pressure.
You turn with your hip positioning and weight change. The skis do the rest. 2:25 How? She doesn't have love handles to get in the way.
OK....how come NO top WC skiers do this? NO ONE today AT THE ELITE LEVEL skis with such pronounced angulation. Watch the end of "Ski Racing Angles... an evolution over the years". They all have dramatically less angulation between torso and force axis, but achieve even higher edge angles. There is also much less counter....current skiers keep their hips square to the direction of travel. So, the way that top WC skiers are doing it today runs counter to everything you say here.
WC racing isn’t perfect form. That is just controlled falling down a hill. They are just holding on and returning to form just to get beaten again.
@@CyberEdits7 LOL....that comment just makes you look clueless. WC racers ski the way they do because they create the highest edging forces of any skiers.
@@shooter7a I know that, I said it isn’t perfect form. If you watched the recent race birds of prey, it really just was holding on for dear life.
@@CyberEdits7 I am still not understanding your argument. When you are at the limits of human performance, of course things get sketchy, and form goes away.
So what? Your argument makes no point.
My point is that this high degree of break at the waist (getting short...instead of staying tall) creates a WEAK position. I know this all to well as it is a flaw in my own skiing / racing.
To handle the highest degree of forces you have to be in a relatively TALL position, but highly inclined. Highly inclined = high edge angles. Tall = strong. This is EXTREMELY hard to do. Why? Because when you are tall, your range of corrective mechanisms is very limited. It is hard to adjust your edge angles independent from your overall inclination, and it is hard to shift your center of mass, relative to your inclination. It is hard to maintain control.
When you break at the waist, side angulate, and counter, you create all sorts of additional corrective mechanisms. You can adjust your edge angle. You can shift your center of mass. You have a much larger "toolbox" to maintain control. It is a easier way to ski, and easier way to maintain balance. But is is WEAKER. WEAKER means you can not go as fast in the turns.
Why is it weaker? Think about doing squats. My 1 rep max is about 365 in a squat with proper form and range. But if a do a "cheater" squat...say only go down through about half the range of motion, I can probably handle 5 plates per side (495), because of the geometric advantage with less bend in the waist, hips joint and knee. This is literally the challenge of high level turning....maintaining control at the highest loads (speed in turn). Staying tall is like a cheater squat. It makes you STRONGER. So, to race at the highest levels, the challenge is to turn at maximum edge angles, standing mostly on one ski, in the strongest position.
@@shooter7a Understood. But true racing is in a half squat down the whole time. Thanks for the clarifications