That Time Ashley Madison Ruined All of Their Customer's Lives
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2023
- Ashley Madison's operation and subsequent hack was one of the most bizarre in existence.
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The hacker didn't ruin the marriages and relationships. The decision to cheat did.
Don’t blame the decision. Blame the decision maker.
Don’t blame the decision maker, blame the parents… jk. But ya it’s totally their fault for going on the website in the first place. They knew what they were doing
Yeah thats totally deserved
I dunno, how does some Christian "thou shalt not commit adultery" hacker with principles argue he's virteous when he caused deaths?
This is messy situation that needed to be handled with care, and the fact the hacker botched some of the files and corrupted them, tells me they weren't competent enough for the task.
You are right but when you have the devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear "go on do it, life is too short" the devil bares some responsibility too, no?
It's baffling how many people still use the site. Not just because of the massive leak, but also because it was revealed that 95% of the woman on the site were bots.
This is just the tip of the iceberg
Degenerates don't exactly care about quality.
Desperation
that is sad lmao
That is also just the case for a lot of social media and dating sites however it's not nearly as abundant and predatory as Ashley Madison's practices. Anything more than like 20 or 40% is absolutely absurd.
“Life is short, have an affair” feels like a parody slogan for a company you’d see in a cyberpunk dystopia where all the ads are two or three words
I thought the same thing!
I forgot what Ashley Madison was and thought it was a parody slogan in the thumbnail.
Read it in a female LA American voice and it sounds like an ad on a GTA V radio station 😂
@@curtisss It does! XD
Gonks gonna be gonks huh. Guess this was the result
Blaming a website for someone's infidelity is like blaming a liquor store on someone alcoholism.
I agree, the site alone was just a tool. I still think AM is disgusting for profiting from and enabling that behaviour, though. And scamming their customers (most of the women were allegedly bots).
@@lordfreerealestate8302 eh, if a person does something as immoral as cheating I really don't care if they're being scammed. These men lost any sympathy I might have had the instant they made the account or even had the thought of sincerely doing it.
The difference is, alcohol can be used moderately at a good level. Alcohol companies profit on excessive drinking, but their business does not entirely depend on excessive drinking to exist. A better analogy would be cigarette companies.
Obviously we can't blame the website for a person's infidelity (or a Liquor store for someone's alcoholism), but we can blame the distributor for making these two things so easily accessible to the average consumer.
@@lordfreerealestate8302yeah, it's better to look at this case as one of greedy con-men targeting scum for money getting what they deserve. Infidelity will exist with or without Ashley Madison, but those assholes sure did their best to exploit the shit outta its existence. They deserve as much shit as most of their customers are getting in these comments, if not more.
I remember hearing about this and assumed the site itself was meant as a trap for cheaters.
If I had the time and resources I would love to make a site like this, and then have it "hacked".
Haha, like that rent-a-hitman website. 😅
And just like this site - in the end - the bad people got what they deserved!
I mean... it was... just not intentionally.
I thought the website is just a joke or just a regular dating website with publicity stunt.
I'm surprised the website is still up. Who the heck would even trust it after that?
Oh no, how dare that hacker inform millions of people that their horrible partner is cheating on them. What a jerk.
Yeah the world is black and white
@@MemeLordCrusader when it comes to cheating it is
@@lvlHive How old are you ?
@@MemeLordCrusader No one is obligated to answer that. We all know you're too young with that kind of username
@@pluna3382 I'm 23 you ?
Edit: you also play fucking Honkai soooo you're opinion is invalid
I was cheated on, and of my group of friends, only my best friend decided to tell me as soon as she found out. The rest of them knew for MONTHS. I could never be more grateful for her telling me, even though it was crushing in that moment. What still hurts is the fact that my other now ex-friends just watched me while I was making a fool of myself. Cheaters don’t deserve any privacy about their affairs. The hacker saved countless people from years of dedication to literal scum.
I once told my relative I saw his then girlfriend with her ex boyfriend at a store and that she fled from me when I went to say hi that relative turned on me along with everyone else and when she finally admitted it I got no acknowledgement or apology maybe they were afraid of a similar outcome I don't know for sure I am just expressing my experience
That's a true friend.
Not only cheated on by your partner but by your entire friend group… That’s gotta feel like a gut punch from a freight train. At least your best friend is a real one.
@@adamvose2651That's a lot of people's experience. It's very common.
@@danh5637exactly when my husbands mental health began to decline and he let himself go I had to just look elsewhere. If he won’t somebody else will I remember one time my boyfriend sent me a pic while I was next to my husband and I just looked from the pic to the depressed fat loser next to me and sighed🙄😂eventually I refused to interact with him until he lost 20 pounds and that worked so I broke up with my bf. My bf was hotter in every way except financially that’s where my husband excels so ofc that’s who I’m choosing to actually be with. sometimes I just need to step out and fulfill the needs my husband can’t if he doesn’t want me to then he needs to step up and do better😅
Cheating comes with a risk of being exposed no matter how you choose to do it. The only victims in this scenario are the faithful partners.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
People gamble for that reason. Everyone knows the horrors of gambling addiction.
In short “Womp Womp dont cheat”
The cheating parent(s)' children are quite the victims too.
@@GaussTheWarframeWell fix the divorce court to not favor lazy parasites.
Politely disagreeing, they ruined their own lives by going on Ashley Madison rather than just doing the responsible thing in either breaking up with their partners or going to therapy.
Agreed. The hacker helped those people being cheated on. Cheating is inexcusable. No sympathy.
@@palp8623i woukdnt say the hacker "helped" anyone, they jad bad inte tions from the start and were out to be a dick, it just turns out that the people they were being a dick to happened to be conplete pieces of shit. Remove your personal feelings about cheating from the equation and your left with, someone violated other peoples privacy for personal gain, and honestly, do you think the partners of these people felt that their lives were better after this, do you think they felt helped?
The problem is some people have a kink specifically for cheating. They get way more aroused by knowing they're doing someone else behind their partner's back.
People also have SA kinks, my guy. But they’re still responsible if they act in those kinks and hurt someone. If that’s the case, they should seek therapy.
(Not that everyone who has kinks should seek therapy, just those with the kinds who hurt others)
Honestly no one would've been "victimized" if they weren't horrible people who were either trying to cheat, or trying to knowingly sleep with cheaters. Everyone who was exposed was definitely an awful person, and deserved it.
@@BucketOfFukThats like saying slapping somebody and murder are equally as bad.
The cheater did severely harm his/her gf/bf and can easily destroy trust for years while the other person is just a stupid cunt, he/she doesn’t hurt anyone, cheaters gonna cheat anyway.
I signed up just out of curiosity. Never looked at profiles. Never chatted or tried to. Logged in once then forgot about it. Nothing ever came of it. But I wondered if anyone else did the same thing I did and got in big trouble
@@Caper1144if they didn’t buy any of the “credits” then the leaks shouldn’t reveal any personal information unless they are idiots who used their real name or emails to sign up
Yeah, they weren't really _"victimized"_ in the first place, they just had to face the consequences of their actions. And most people don't want to do that, so they cry victim. 🤷
I'm a greedy bisexual -- context, back before I was married I got tired of using okc to find a couple to date, it's all just "my bf wanted an open relationship but he can't get any dates so I'm only allowed to have gfs but he has to be in the room if we fool around BUT YOU CANNOT LOOK AT HIM OR I WILL CLAW YOUR EYES OUT BITCH" and everyone on fetlife is obese, covered in awful tattoos, is some kinda commie or is into something super weird like wearing diapers. So I looked at AM since it was billed as a polyamory dating site for a hot minute and it's like a worse, wrinklier okcupid/craigslist mutant lovechild. idk how anyone got dates through it, all the dudes take photos from under their chins and write "meet up at truck stop bring ur tits NO CONDOMS" in their bios and all the women are so freaking SAD "my hubby has been in a coma for ten years and i have cancer pls let me cry on u, no sex" lmfao. You'd think it'd be easy to find a couple to unicorn for but nah, they're all wackos or their pictures smell. My dreams of being the middle spoon while watching cspan went unfulfilled, alas.
As the saying goes "absolutely nothing of value was lost."
lmao i was gonna say that
This hack was hilarious. The tastiest schadenfreude was all of the "family values" people who were caught using it.
as an atheist, i'm glad that christians are exposed for their "family values" - from the christian vlogger to the pastor.
i hate people using religion as a way to think they're better than you because they believe in the bible and its stories of a virgin girl giving birth, of one human man dying to save all of humanity from their sins. pfft. like the death of one man thousands of years ago dying on a cross will grant a story believer a ticket to heaven for cheating, adultery, sins. what logic is that?
It's always them. They project so hard
I find it hard to feel sorry for people who were selfish enough to betray their spouse's trust and dumb enough to pay money for a website with 32 million men, 12 thousand women and 5,5 million "fembots", as Kira so aptly put it.
I'm sure the femboys weren't popular enough at the time to get bots. Lol
Hacker is a goddamn international hero.
I mean… that’s just men for you.
@@yup9451a hero? So you think all the spouses who cheated on were happy the world learned their partner cheated on them? Had their addresses and credit card information become public
I speak for everyone when i say we stand with the men
The hacker is the hero in this story.
Don’t cheat, resolve your marriage or get a divorce
The hackers are scum too. Completely irresponsible act that resulted in suicides and financial blackmail, cheating is bad but they don't deserve death.
The hackers are just pretentious losers with faux morality.
Damn right!
I mean sure, lose half ur property, fight for custody for the kids, lose ur financial dependence, world isn't black and white. Cheating sucks a lot and devastates the partner but not all relationships/partners r built the same. But it's easy to say don't kill solve ur problems or just don't see that person again but at the end of the day u could pay car notes in the form of child support while somebody raises them or stick with ur wife unhappy af but u get to keep ur kids and grow with them (get counseling then) man u really thunk the world is that simple
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu Exactly. many people cheating are stuck in bad toxic relationships with lots of commitments they cannot break without causing huge problems, the biggest being ruining kids childhoods. They go out and find someone to have a good time with for once in their miserable lives and instantly they are evil? But these incel self-righteous hackers would never understand that and only see in black and white, cheaters bad must destroy!
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu Just getting a divorce is literally BETTER than cheating on your partner. As a person whose parent cheated on the other. Just leave the relationship -_- it's a lot less traumatizing than having to deal with your parents having custody of you every other year each(in my case). Which caused me some separation anxiety I still have now.
This whole comment section is “Womp womp don’t cheat” and I am here for that shit
The fact that they charge you $20 to remove your details proves this site doesn’t care about you, just as long as you make them money
They basically sign up to be extorted 😂
Maybe don't cheat on your spouse and allow a website access to private information that could ruin your marriage. If a giant corporation like Sony can be hacked, anyone can.
Exactly. It's sad, but unsurprising that so many men in the comments are more angry at the "professional catfish" (cuz shockingly the userbase was 98% male), than they are about all the spouses who got cheated on.
@@WobblesandBeanwhere
@@WobblesandBean Way more women cheat than men.
Every secret service around the world (the CIA, MI6, KGB, etc) have been hacked before. Every mega corporation has been hacked before.
There is no such thing as an unhackable site or server. If it’s connected to the internet, it’s hackable.
@@WobblesandBean I mean if you sort by newest then yea you'll see a shit ton of men defending not being loyal to your spouse but if you don't then you'll see most people defend being loyal to your spouse.
“I know it’s selfish, but I don’t want to lose my kids in a divorce.”
Well, your kids don’t want you to betray them and their mother, so… 🤷♂️🤷♀️
Well, guess what, your chances of losing your kids in that divorce you were afraid of is now increased ten-fold. And youll be paying alimoni , and if youre lucky youll be able to see them on your way to hand over the check.
This all assuming they didnt file a restraining order after winning the case
@@username172good.
@@username172 so ... two wrongs make a right?
@@advancedomegaif you’re putting your kids in a situation that could cause years of trauma, you probably shouldn’t have them. unhappy marriages, difficult divorces, and more things like that are one of the top causes of childhood trauma
@@mr.bingusthecat Wait, I AM PUTTING MY KIDS? Those cheaters put their kids in that kind of position.
Imagine using your company email for an affairs site you created to organise your own affairs??? Some people really have it coming to them
Some used government emails too, like dang you wanna cheat so bad you'll pay a small fortune but you can't even create a new email for it?
Moreover, using your affair website you made and didn't put any cybersecurity on at all. If i was making a site i planned to use for shit i didn't want out my cybersecurity teams would be in fuckin lambourghinis
I hate that Biderman cast critics as prudes. I don't care what you get up to if you're single, or there's an explicit and equal agreement within an arrangement, but cheating is cruel. I've been on the receiving end, and it caused me serious psychological harm.
How can you take that douchebag seriously? The minute I heard he's in a long-term monogamous marriage I knew he was up to no good personally. That wife who stuck by him needs her head examined.
The only people I feel bad for in this situation, are the actual victims. The husbands or wives that found out their spouse was cheating, and the children who's lives were torn apart because of the nasty divorces, or suicide of their parents. Neither ALM or it's users get any sympathy from me.
Edit: I have to add, I find it mind boggling ALM didn't suffer serious legal repercussions, and that after everything that happened, there are still people dumb enough to use the site. Just goes to show so many people don't care if their actions hurt the ones they claim to love.
it's extremely rare for companies to get seriously hit for the damage they do. fines are usually the main punishment & they're usually miniscule in comparison to the profits from the misbehaviour. (pull up a list of the biggest fines levvied to companies & then go have a peek at those firm's yearly turnover & it gets pretty bleak)
self-regulating industry is pretty much a myth. but interventionist govt is unpopular with the people who buy politicians, so there's generally little or no oversight & few repurcussions.
its almost like the legal system protects their own (jews)
i dont really see what ALM did wrong, other than get hacked
@@beatricepevensie So the making people pay money to talk to fake accounts, and making them pay money to completely delete their info, without actually doing so... Those are perfectly fine? They straight up scammed people.
I may not feel sympathy for those who got outed in the hack, but the company still did some shady ass shit that deserves to be punished.
I'm not sure I entirely understand what the hack included though. Did they expose a whole bunch of swingers, gay, and fat people from A&M's other dating sites?
It's hard to feel bad for the people exposed from the hack
I don't pity them but that also doesn't mean I condone the leaks
I was on that list. I think with 2 different emails. Nothing ever came of it. I just signed up so I could see if it was real. Like was there really women in my neighbourhood looking to cheat? Again, nothing ever came of it, but I wondered how many other people signed up just to peek behind the curtain. If you wondered why I signed up with two emails, it’s because I think I signed up, looked around for 2 seconds and never logged in again. A year latter I think I had the same curiosity and signed up again forgetting I ever signed up a year before.
@@Caper1144is that what you told your wife? 😂
@@Haych_Q Pretty much
@Caper1144 you seem guilty, you've replied to multiple comments lol...are you trying to convince the viewers of this video or yourself?
It's wild seeing some of the rationale behind cheaters refusing to leave their spouses. Imagine spending more effort and money on having an affair rather than improving your relationship.
"Well Trevor, welcome to your worst f***ing nightmare" is so badass lol
I read that in Michael’s voice from GTA five
Men joining at higher rates after Father’s Day and women after Valentine’s is heartbreaking.
Tells you a lot about how all those 'sacred' relationships everyone's so mad about defending here were really going, doesn't it?
Makes you realize the gender difference in what's important to a typical man vs woman:
* man's problem: neither she nor the kids care about father's day
* woman's problem: he didn't take me out on valentine's
... THAT is what slaps you in the face.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I think a lot of people's relationships suck and they feel unfulfilled, but not badly enough to overcome their comfort zone and break up. It's still shitty to cheat before breaking up because it causes massive drama and heartache, it's wildly disrespectful.
@@bluegum6438why? If everyone would just adopt a hedonistic lifestyle, then everyone could be happy!
@@SGresponsemaking MASSIVE assumptions about the mens problem. Could be equally likely that men are reminded how bound they are by their commitments on fathers day.
You said “ruining marriages” while showing a photo of Josh and Anna Duggar. Sadly, that woman has stood by her man’s side not only through the Ashley Madison fiasco, but also when he was sentenced to prison for child pron. He’s now locked up and she still refuses to leave him.
She should probably be investiagted then. If your spouse is exposed as a p*do and you refuse to leave them, then you’ve probably got some skeletons in your closet. And even if you don’t, you should at the very least be held as an accomplice to your spouse’s crime for your refusal to ditch them as soon as you found out they are a p*do.
@@eeveefan132she can’t leave she has 7 kids 1yr to like 9yrs and all her support network expects her to stay married. The woman doesn’t even have a high school diploma. Hell she doesn’t even have a 5th grade diploma. She has no way to feed herself or her kids.
@@laraantipova389 Oh, yeah, right, they’re quiverfulls. Okay, I will admit to that being a valid point, to an extent.
But generally though, I personal believe that PDF files should be legally barred from having any sort of contact with their families whatsoever. Leave the chomo to suffer alone for the rest of its life.
@@eeveefan132 i agree Josh is the worst. I hope Anna gets the strength to get an education and leave him some day
Some women are a crazy breed. I listen to true crime podcasts, and every famous serial killer had love letters sent to them while in prison...
This video should have been called "The Ashley Madison Affair". I feel like this was a missed opportunity.
Whenever Id see ads for Ashley Madison, I always thought it was a joke. Always reminded me of the ads in GTA's in game websites.
I had a good, hearty laugh when this story broke. The logical disconnect of the people blaming the hackers for "ruining their relationship(s)" is so rich that it has to be bad for you to read.
"You asshole! You've exposed my desception!"
@@hyperion3145I think that was a line in Arrested Development - are you paying for a crime someone else...
Exposed?
This hack was taught to us in our cybersecurity lecture as it is considered a significant event in the young history of cybersecurity. It was one of the first big hacks that saw significant real-life consequences to human lives, including the deaths of a couple of people.
Yes it is very significant indeed. I am just interested in security, and this story is insane!
CS Major here, had to take a Cyber Ethics class in order to learn about this. It was actually crazy to learn about this
Did the hack have the direct consequences int he deaths of a couple of people, or did their own actions? If you are a pastor, a somewhat high-profile person among a local, but large bunch of people, what was your plan exactly when found out by someone local, with no hack involved? Was the hack responsible for Ashley Madison's failure to process the $19.99 to delete your data for good as promised, or did they just expose the greedy and scammy nature of Ashley Madison taking money and not actually deleting data which should have been gone - if not immediately, at least a few days after the 19.99 charge?
Not a couple, thousands
And no value was lost
I remember seeing these commercials pop up when I was a teen. And I remember feeling so sad. Sad that they promoted cheating, but also sad to realize that cheating is a common norm. It's devastating😢
cheating is only a norm nowadays due to the social manipulations morally-bankrupt oligarchs like the guy who founded this exact company. it's _because_ of the promotion of these sorts of things that it's become like this.
@@the-letter_scheating has been the norm for a long time.
Lots of Ashley Madison users coping in this comments section. Seeing some people defend infidelity is wild and pretty eye opening
Quite staggering.
Likely the same people who will say sex work is real work.
... no? @@lucascoval828
Adulterers get what they deserve. You make betraying your marriage vows out to be a minor thing, where are your ethics?
Marriage vows lmfao anyone who still gets married is a clown, we aren't conservative tribesfolks anymore. xD
Agreed. Fuck cheaters
Why do you even believe that adultry is a major thing anyway?
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 if you don’t want to commit to somebody you can go have a relationship where that’s your understanding. Betraying a marriage vow where you commit to one another makes you a degenerate. I’m guessing you aren’t married
@@mythicalmeanderings as a non religious person i agree with this, some people talk like cheating is the only way if your SO isnt satisfying you enough, and a few unironically think its less harmful to their partners than just breaking up or getting divorced.
Then theres the ones worried that theyll lose half their stuff in a divorce and cheat so they can just skirt around the issue, and guess what, once they find out you cheated, you wont just be losing half your stuff, youll be losing almost everything and possibly even full custody of your kids if you have any.
one of my parents cheated on the other and the fact i have to hear them argue about it and yell at each other really makes me have zero sympathy for cheaters. behind each one of those profiles is most likely 1 or more kids whose development got irreversibly fucked up because one of their parents decided to cheat and got caught, and i’m just glad i only found out when i was 14-15 and was old enough to separate my life from my parent’s.
My parents divorced after my dad cheated on my mom.
And witnessing the emotional distress mom went through for many years and how it took her long to move on made me develop no sympathy for cheaters.
Oh, and on top of that my dad ended up cheating on some of his future partners as well.
@@voctur Your father is a narcissist sociopath
Boo boo. Irreversibly fucked up, huh? Hey guys, this kid had to listen to his parents fighting.
My mom learned my dad had been cheating on her for over a decade. She told everyone in the family (aunts, uncles, grandparents) on both side of his unfaithfulness, claiming she still loved him but was going to get a divorce. She didn't. It's been over 4 years since then and I wish my mom hadn't burdened me with such a great secret. Even now she dumps his past (or their current relationship) on me and I want to scream "THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL TOGETHER?!" I know it isn't easy to break up with someone you've been with for decades, but it's traumatized me. How? I have 2 younger brothers, (14 and 16 now) who are the only ones NOT TOLD the truth. I'm a terrible secret keeper and I see my family all the time. Parents are too cowardly to tell my brothers the truth, don't want to hurt them, but how is that fair to me? My brother's are so comfortable and happy whereas I've broken down on a train because the pressure is so much. Mom told me because I was an adult, her only daughter, and would take her side. And I did and do but she thinks she's the only one suffering. I've told her to stop telling me shit, but she can't help it. We all know someday the boys will learn the truth. And when they do I'm sure they'll feel betrayed. I know I'll be blamed too for keeping this from them, and it really really hurts. I can't watch movies or books supporting cheating at all. Even songs. It just makes me imagine my dad and his past "lovers" relationship and I can't handle how cheating is okay, how it's romantic if their SO is evil. So what? Be an adult and break up with SO before you become a piece of shit.
Sorry for the rant, I needed a release
@@EmpressGoldilockedthat’s misogynistic, “because you’re a girl it’s ok to ruin your mental health” and it’s a LIE. Tell your brothers. They didn’t tell them because they know a 14 and 16 year old boy will actually b3at your dad to a pulp. Your mom is afraid for your dad and that’s why she won’t tell your brothers. Tell them!
A dishonest company, making dishonest money off dishonest men, a poetic masterpiece.
It wasn't just men using the site. Women used it too. Dishonest partners in general are evil, it doesn't matter if they are a man or woman.
of course you exempt women of any responsibility.
@@joshuabrown8228 95% of the women using it were bots though lol. The vast majority of male users were genuine.
this is the type of scandal/scam i LOVE to see 😭 the company facilitating cheating is destroyed and the losers who decided to cheat get exposed. EVERYONE WINS !
Except the cheaters (Disapointingly the company continues operation to this day) which is a massive W
I would argue Ashley Madison also ruined normal dating sites. They did so many scummy things other then just promote themselves as the affair site, they made dating sites realize how easy it is to get vulnerable men to pay to use the site and make it flooded full of bots.
Yeah that's a really understated effect of this all. I don't know how bad it was beforehand, but I'm sure many how far and how successful they were with a model of bots and almost using "pay to play" tactics, then reconsidered their own model. Dating sites have a lot of issues and the apparent bot problem is pretty funny from the outside looking in but it's super worrying. They're not only making money off loneliness and a desire for connection, they're manufacturing it.
@@navonmyhand7999for all men it’s pay to play. Dating apps purposefully make it more difficult to even see your potential matches. It pushed people towards inceldom because they believe nobody finds them attractive when dating apps are not a good metric for that.
Vulnerable men?? Bruh wtf are you talking about. It’s common knowledge by now that you’re not talking to real women. If you pay for this shit they deserve to take your money for your stupidity 😂😂
@@navonmyhand7999 bots are widely used now and in countries where such activity isn't regulated you can see job posting for bot operators (they call it chat manager who helps girl to translate her chats real time). i doubt classic dating sites now have any real girls, and why should they? girls can earn with OF or more direct activities, it's not as profitable to scam men in dating app. and as for honest girls... why any real girl would want to mess with dating site? it's not like girls are having hard time to grab decent guy.
Vulnerable men? A lot of these men made the CHOICE to do something despicable, these are grown men with a fully developed brain. Let’s not pity them.
Or any man who empties his bank account on deplorable sites like this. In the US, there seems to be a narrative of men being the logical ones, the level headed ones, the ones who blame women for the degeneracy of the nation, especially now more than ever. Then how come at times like this, when these men make these horrible choices indicative of their decaying morals, are deemed to be victims?
Sites like this are everywhere and people all around the world use it. You are responsible for yourself. If the majority users are men, that shows the flaw in how men are brought up and the values they uphold as an adult. Since men have never been shamed for indulging in their sexual desires, it’s not surprise many of them don’t care for self control and their appetite is insatiable. It’s not normal, they know it. They just don’t care neither does anybody shake them for it. If the world shamed a man’s promiscuity as much as a woman’s, maybe we’d have more men with a backbone and an ounce of integrity. And instead, we got a generation of men with nothing but Madonna Whore Complex. Indulging in their desires excessively behind closed doors, and then publicly shaming sex workers. Not all men. But enough to make you question what’s wrong with your gender.
I had an Ashley Madison account. I didn't care, though, because I was neither married nor in a relationship... and i was 15. jokes on the hacker.
Dang how did you explain that to your parents
You forget that these databases are still floating around though
And now your information is out there forever. I hope you were smart enough to make everything fake and didn’t use your real name
@@yender6468you wouldn't, somethings parents don't need to know
@@Moony1568 everyone's info is out there, if you use facebook then the pixels track you across the internet.
Special mention to John Barilaro aka "Bruz", my country's (Australia's) deputy premier at the time, who got caught cheating no less than 4 times while using Ashley Madison's "services". And the best part...his username was "johnlovestolick". Truly an Aussie icon!
It's funny how he's known internationally only by the word "Bruz." I don't know if it's the same thing there, but the only people in the US know about him as the guy who hates being called "Bruz"
FriendlyJordies?
@@tailnowag8753 Ya, bruz!
I didn't hear about Giovanni on Ashley Madison but I do recall him being paid to stay home from work and feel sorry for himself. And various assault allegations against him. He's a walking powder keg with a massive chip on his shoulders.
Nothing like the phrase 'moral outrage' to downplay, diminish, and ridicule anyone who has an issue with Adultery so you don't have to have a real discussion.
for real. it's an informative video but the creator is either spineless or a cheater.
Cheating will always happen with or without the internet but providing an internet site for that exact reason makes those people immoral in my opinion. Their motto is literally "Life is short. Have an affair."
Isn't it strange that national news made this relatively obscure website a household name? Is "shady dating site" really a news story, or did they have some other motive in promoting it?
Life gets even shorter when those cheaters bring home STDs to their unknowing spouses.
Immoral for profiting off of an existing and extremely common trend? Yeah, no. The only immoral person here is the hacker to broke the privacy of millions of people AND GOT PEOPLE KILLED.
@@Jimpiedepimpie Personally, I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they tried to create a moral panic over it. They knew that basic human psychology makes us attracted (by and large) to things we're not supposed to have or do.
"DON'T visit this shady website where you can easily cheat on your spouse!" - End result? A surge in traffic to said shady website.
It has the same ring as when the 1993 Assault Weapons Ban was being paraded around the media (because gun control totally works...), and suddenly people were flocking to get AR-15s or AK clones before the ban was put into effect. Gun owners who didn't even *know* they could legally purchase AR-15s, AKs, and similar firearms were trading in hunting rifles to get one.
Same thing, you tell people they *CAN'T* have something, and by God they will suddenly decide that is what they want right NOW!
@Jimpiedepimpie I don't think this needs a conspiracy. Racy and crazy stories get clicks, views and heated discussion. Everything daytime television wants from their audience, just also what AshleyMadison wanted from the public conscience to spread word.
Ashley Madison didn't ruin anyone's lives, nor did the hacker. The people ruined their own lives; they just got found out. I for one have zero sympathy for people that suffer the consequences of their own bad decisions.
Well there were non-married gay people using the site to find each other in countries were being gay is punishable by death. I’d say their lives were pretty ruined. The hackers could have redacted users real location data or take out users who live in countries were being revealed would die but I guess they deserved it for choosing to be born there lol
@@WeiYinChan Yeah that's fucked up, they probably didn't know about such laws or forgot about them. Do you know if anyone got executed because of the leak?
@@darth3261I don't think there are any confirmed cases (not that those countries would be super open and transparent about the people they oppress) but if you search you can find posts from 2015 when the list came out that some people are seeking advice to flee their countries online because they are worried they would be executed if they are outed in places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
It's just important to know that a lot of people who signed up on Ashley Madison did so because it's promised to be secure and discreet, not all of them are adulterers. There are even cases of people signing up because they suspected their spouses were cheating and wanted to see if they can catch them on the site. And of course the website never deletes user data so now they are in the cheater list even though they were victims. This kind of wide-net approach of exposing everyone created a lot of collateral damages.
But if it weren't ever found out, nothing would have changed. It's not morally right, but logically what's said is true
@@darth3261 two reported deaths by suicide were direct responses to the leak, in canada. in a country which criminalized homosexuality, of course they wouldn't report the deaths of gay people whom they killed or committed suicide. i get hating cheaters, but don't give the hackers the benefit of the doubt. They knew they were risking lives by releasing the personal info and i hope they feel some guilt.
The hackers did nothing wrong in this story. Not happy with your spouse? Talk it out, working on it. If not, get a divorce and do what you want. Or don't get married in the first place.
Have some god damn self control and take responsibility for your own bad decisions. Or in other words: BE AN ADULT!
100 % this!
Leave a relationship instead of cheating
Biggest fuck around and find out moment for people wanting to use a cheating app
literally fuck around lol
"Fuck around and find out" always 20 people that post this every single video. Cant people try and at least be original.
@@infovids5048 If it aint broke, don't fix it I guess.
Literally
You know all of us in that leak weren't the cheating party, right? I was just on the site as a single kid in my late 20's... Plenty of people who were cheating wanted that attention from me.
We ALL didn't deserve to be doxxed like we were. Think about it: I wasn't cheating on anyone.
TBH with the way Ashely Madison works in their pay scheme, it's wild to me that it's not just classified as an online brothel.
Keep in mind that cheaters ruin their own lives by cheating...
As someone who was cheated on multiple times, it's hard to feel sorry for their names and conversations being leaked, but addresses, credit card info, and nude photos cross the line for me. No one is deserving of being DDOS'd and becoming a victim of theft, fraud, or revenge porn. As he said, "like us or not, this is still a criminal act"
Yeah the nudes is what REALLLY stood out to me, I don't care if they were on a cheating site, that's not an ok thing to do.
I mean, they dropped only 10% of all the data, presumably leaving most of the conversations and pictures out of the releases. They did leak the other stuff, but as far as I can tell not much in the way of pictures, which I presume would be the majority of a 300GB data package from a website like that.
A hacker doesn't "DDoS" someone to get information. Literally the only thing that DDoS'ing does is make servers overwhelmed.
I'm probably in the minority but nudes being leaked is the risk you take if you keep them online. I don't know why anyone expects they'll remain private. Literally buy a camera and print them out, then delete the digital copies. It's not that hard.
Well this is all why a prudent person wouldn’t send naked pictures to someone they barely know while also being married. Expect bad things to eventually come back around when your engaging in bad behavior. It’s just much easier to live a clean honest life.
I agree with you but it’s just ALL bad. Play in the devils’s playground and this what happens. I don’t support any of it or wish for bad things to happen to bad people etc…. I’m just pointing out that these are the type of things that happen when you’re playing with fire.
We need another wave of this lol. Publicly shaming cheaters should become a sport.
And make it a show lol
@@Generallyannoyed2024is that a flex or??? are u literally getting defensive about cheating??
@@Generallyannoyed2024 nah, I just understand that cheating is a major betrayal of the one you’re supposed to love the most.
No problem with that, just hope women are included!
@Generallyannoyed2024 I haven't been cheated on since middle school(I somehow barely manage to get over this serious and horrible experience /s 😂)
Still I'm fine with cheaters being exposed. If you need something new, discuss it with your partner. If they refuse. Decide what is more important. Cheating should never exist, and cheaters should be exposed shamed and scorned.
As a kid, seeing the commercials for this site on TV, it always confused me how the company thought that kind of open promotion was a good idea. You can't keep a secret that isn't really a secret. I mean, what would've stopped someone's wife from just searching the site for their husband's name ? People still paying into this site have to be even duller than the ones that were before the hack.
People don't use their real name ya dumbo. You can't just search lol...
This is the era of the internet run by tech inept adults. And we are slowly replacing them as they age out.
As for the hope of tech literacy, don't hold your breath for it. There's a lot of leadership who have yet to touch a machine.
i doubt many were using their names in their profiles ^^
@@sjs9698 I mean, they had to be for them to be exposed in the doc, right ? At the very least, the credit card charges would be a dead giveaway, too.
I was just thinking how odd it was that they had these commercials on regular TV back in the day. Could you imagine just seeing something like that today? People would be going nuts. I feel like it wasn't even seen as a big deal until this hack scandal happened.
I usually don’t support hackers and people who steal data, BUT I’m this case, I’m going to give them props for using their powers for good.
i love how different the behaviour of Will Harrison and Team Impact are. Will Harrison threatened, Taunted and put his face to basically everything he did, Team Impact appeared, made a threat, released the data when ingored, then vanished without ever seeking any sort of bragging.
I say a woman was at the heart of Team Impact. The attack was personal
This is a fantastic lesson in data safety: the only way that your information is safe from hacks or legal action is to not provide it in the first place. This has been seen with Glassdoor, Reddit, RUclips DMCA abuse as well.
You legally can’t avoid giving info in some circumstances, but it’s always a good idea to be thoughtful about who you give it to.
and it couldnt have have happened to a better site.
anything that enables spousal cheating should be immediately distrusted b ydefault: after all you are trsuting another entity with information you don't want to out: this is an irresponsible amount ot power to give to a 3rd party and one does not feel sorry the inevitable happened.
just be a good person. if you are, your information is worth nothing.
You should see what Google is doing with your data.
@@g3ntl323 Not even close to true, advertising companies, and probably scammers, will buy the data of anyone they can. I've stopped using my real info unless I absolutely have to, like with legal stuff. But, it irritates me that the little bit of info I had online when I was a kid was probably sold to someone and I didn't get a penny for it.
@@Teixas666 A lot of these men were in sexless marriages, and so got the double whammy of trying to pay for sex and being blackmailed when they failed. The deeper societal story is there are an awful lot of married men who really shouldn't have gotten married or if they did they should be divorced in order to have moral-free sex with others.
One wonders what would happen if a married man announced he's not getting any and so he's searching for a mistress. The honestly of it all.
It's crazy how many "family values people" turned out to use this site to cheat on their spouses. It's just hypocrisy. Cheat on your partner and then blame and accuse others of being unfaithful.
They need to keep up the appearances in order to be able to sell whatever they're selling. It's all about money, status or control. That's why you should never take people as role models only at face value.
It's typical Republican logic - look at all the Republicans that push anti-lgbt agendas, then get caught in cheap motel rooms with 18 year old boys 😂
(Often caught with 15 or 17 year old children - but that's them being pedophiles, and not gay. Hell, look at Gaetz paying underage girls for sex over Venmo and labeling it as "textbooks")
Not to mention the one's who say they just had a "wide stance" and weren't cruising.
Republicans are the most twisted and backwards illogical people ever.
Those kind of people just hate themselves alot. I also noticed that people who were fat at some point also hate the most on fat people, they just seem to see themselves in those people.
It's like when staunchly homophobic, anti gay rights politicians and ALT Right tik tokers are caught on Grindr. The one's who scream the loudest...
Because the truth is that "family values people" are usually very fake people. They are the people who will speak sweetly to you while judging you for things they are guilty of as well. They would rather live their life with extreme cognitive dissonance rather than change and face themselves.
It's disgusting a website like this even exists for such an expressly evil purpose. I hope it goes down some day.
This was probably one of the best video essays I’ve seen in a while. Had no idea this event even occurred. Had my full attention start to finish :)
I don't think I could ever feel bad for people becoming the victims of the consequences of their own actions. Don't wanna be shamed for cheating? Don't cheat. Simple as that.
I can feel sympathy that their cheating website cheated them out of their money to delete their account. It just gets washed over immediately by how poetic it all coincidentally is.
What’s amazing to me is how many people signed up AFTER the hack
I guess a lot of guys think with their small head instead of their big head.
They're both small heads in those cases.
Welcome to men, lol.
no no, it actually makes sense. It's like how people travel to areas that have recently been victim to terror attacks. It's cheaper and much safer since security will be much higher. It certainly doesn't make it right though.
How could people trust a site that had “pass1234” as a password for highly sensitive user data lmao
@@WobblesandBean nah we dont claim em. those kinda people are called simps. normal men like me can control that head easy
16:08“Josh Duggar’s actions couldn’t be excused and NO ONE would dare to defend this monster”
Evangelical Christians: “allow us to introduce ourselves…”
I have not met one Christian who defended that dude ....
I have never personally been cheated on, and I can't possibly understand the betrayal and pain that comes with it. But the fact that *lives* were lost to this is terrible to me.
cheating is inexcusable, regardless of your gender.
You have never been cheated on that you know of*
@@ratedRblazin420 I have never dated anyone,,,, I’m aroace lol
Hacking Ashley Madison is just pulling back the curtain on the unfaithful... with data theft and revealing company fraud on the side.
If you ask yourself, "What is the worse possible thing that could happen?" and the answer is "My life being left in total ruins"...
Don't. FUCKING. Do. It.
Motorcycle goes vrooooooom though.
it's incredible how many things this advice applies to, and applies to correctly. this should be a PSA all over the place, but they'd never do that, since it would inadvertently drive military recruitment rates down.
@@gur262 yes
I understand that the title is just supposed to be eyegrabbing and for youtube, but the site didnt ruin their lives. Them being horrible people ruined their lives. They just didn't think they would get caught lol
Amazing to learn all about this honestly but definitely hard to feel bad for people who cheat while married and single people who slept with married individuals
I always say if someone telling the truth about you is ruining your life, you ruined your own life by doing whatever the secret was. We all make choices we regret that are embarrassing but blaming people for simply exposing the truth is denial of that responsibility.
People got stoned to death
I mean, that is kinda bs. It would be like saying that the French resistance members ruined their lives for not bending their knee to the nazis. Or Anne Frank ruined her life by being a jew. I know it's an absurd extent, but your stance seems really focused on the absolute, so it's important to distance it from everyday reality and think of cases where the truth is hidden out of necessity, where you can't actually change or get out of a situation. Which, naturally, is not the case for the vast majority of cases shown. It's just that, in a world where marriage is often a material and almost comercial relationship, we cannot assume it's so easy either.
@@LuizAlexPhoenixthose people did technically ruin their lives, the difference is that it was for a good cause. A person should get the honor for their honorable decisions/actions, and the dishonor for their dishonorable actions. You call marriage “commercial”, but it is still an oath. If your word means that little, that’s a you problem. And I’m sorry you see it that way, but many people are truly in love and committed. To be cheated on would feel like one of the most painful betrayals. Some people can be in a committed marriage and give decades of their life to someone who has been betraying them for decades. We all have to live with the consequences of decisions we make.
@@LuizAlexPhoenixThe difference is the French didn’t choose to be invaded. Anne Frank didn’t choose to be Jewish. These people made the conscious decision to PAY to be a cheater.
@@MemeLordCrusadergood
AM Cheaters: "That's not fair, it's supposed to be confidential!!!"
Also AM Cheaters: Gives all their personal info to a company that allows tons of people to access said info.
Thats why you read the Terms of Service.
That's why you should never be dumb enough to give all your money and details! Making a switch for your own back 🙄
To be fair, I don’t know why the impact team would think Ashley Madison would give in. I mean, their company was literally about CHEATING. They’re tagline was life is short, have an affair. I don’t think they would have much of a moral compass.
I remember seeing a video of a guy doing street interviews and it came out a woman was cheating on her husband for years, they had been married for fifty years. Her husband was devastated she was only sorry she was exposed and people in the comments but of course trying to defend her horrible choices saying things like: "he (the interviewer) ruined a happy marriage" and "she was obviously unhappy" . As much as I want to say I am surprised I am not.
Maybe the hacker(s) only said they were former ALM employees to throw people off the scent. Maybe they learned through their hacking that there was an unstable, antagonistic employee at the company on whom investigators would naturally focus first.
TBF, if Pass1234 was really the password. Not exactly hard to guess.
I'm thinking the guy who killed himself was a 4chan user, and gave others on the site the passwords/information, and told them to set him up as a red herring.
@@tewiinaba6810 Interesting!
A lack of a clear motive besides determination to see ALM get destroyed, and botched delivery of data files, does either point to a disgruntled employee or a devout/autistic religious man.
not sure where K got the idea they were employees: afaik in hacking terminology 'inside' doesn't mean employees, it means 'have access to', saying 'we've been inside for XX' is just claiming that you've had unlimited access for a long period.
Moral of the story: If you're gonna cheat - and you probably shouldn't - don't leave a paper trail.
I never understood it. If I'm gonna go get laid, the last thing I want in the back of my mind is that I may get caught and lose my wife, kids, etc. Been married and yeah there were hard times, but I never thought that cheating would help anything.
Kira, you have been making some very interesting and well made videos lately. Really enjoyed this one. Awesome work!
Whoever The hacker is was the true hero in this story helping people to realize their partners are selfish.
Really great video!
Hearing cheaters treated as victims was a bit bothering though. They aren't people who made 1 mistake on impulse.
Cheating isn't a mistake. People have to decide they still want to cheat every step of the way. In this case, they even had to continue spending money to cheat. These people knew full well what they were doing, and every one deserves to be exposed.
Being cheated on can mess a person up for life. Everyone should know who around them is a cheater so they can avoid potential hurt in the future too/
Agreed, the act of cheating is a conscious and continuous decision. If they wanted an open relationship, should’ve discussed it with their spouse first
You really need to hate somebody to cheat on them. The emotional devastation, splitting up your family unit, exposure to diseases...cheating is a deliberate act of hate because of the emotional and physical harm it causes. For someone to do that to a person they claim to love...nah, that ain't love.
You know all of us in that leak weren't the cheating party, right? I was just on the site as a single kid in my late 20's... Plenty of people who were cheating wanted that attention from me.
We ALL didn't deserve to be doxxed like we were. Think about it: I wasn't cheating on anyone.
That's like if your bf cheats on you with someone else and you burning down that other person's house. They weren't cheating- your bf was.
Not at the cost of lives.
Because being doxxed for personal shit is cool
It’s almost like these people shouldn’t have been in relationships based on lies in the first place
I say good on the hacker. Getting cheated on is one of the worst emotional pains I have ever felt, and cheaters do not learn. They may genuinely love you, but they do not believe you deserve to be let in enough to discuss their true feelings. That, and many cheaters actually get off to the risk of getting caught, which means they know the consequences are bad.
What does it feel like?
Hurt feelings = Its fine to violate peoples privacy for lols. I love the 2020's /s
@@tickledeggzcheaters don't deserve any privacy.
@@tickledeggz Simplifying cheating down to hurt feelings = demonstrating just how smooth your brain can go.
@@immuneimmunity9212i mean yes it’s a breach of privacy but it’s not a big deal, subhuman filth were the ones who got burned so it’s all good in my eyes
You know, if you make and promote a websits that's based around immoral, dishonest degeneracy, you're basically asking to be hacked or get something worse. It's like a scammer flashing their expensive cars, only to get attacked or outright merced by the victims of their acts.
If only the world really worked like that. If it did, I don't think we would be in this objectively bad situation that can be easily be stopped if we wanted to.
The fact that you can't tell which horrible thing I'm referring to means we are fucked. There's too many of them and people like money.
Problem is, is causing deaths the same as or worse than degeneracy.
We're on a slippery slope now.
Yeah. Also the company was the type to cheap out of the cybersecurity too.
it's "murked" but I agree
Ngl, I don’t feel bad for anyone who got exposed on that site, I genuinely despise cheating, fix your shit. Don’t make shitty excuses…
If you can’t trust a website made to enable cheating on your partner, who can you trust?
I want internet security but it is so hard to feel sorry for these unfaithful degenerates.
I feel bad for the kids to be honest
Your best security is using fake info. If I were to use shady sites like this, I'd just spoof everything. You can even do that with credit cards nowadays.
The fucked up part is that in Saudi Arabia, if the man of the cheating couple has even an iota of wealth or power, it’ll only be the woman in the affair who is stoned to death 🙄
Hold on hold on... BOTH the cheater and cheated on are sentenced to death??? Or is your comment about both cheaters?
@@localkate i think they mean the man and the woman he cheated with, not the person he cheated on
Not sure though
@@violet7773 Ah, alright. That'd make the most sense out of that but you never know lol
That’s because sharia law is misogynistic.
Putting ANY blame on the hacker is an absolutely SHIT take. The hacker didn't do anything to ruin people's lives and relationships. The people choosing to cheat did it to themselves/their partners. The people who decided to cheat are not "victims" here...
By every single dictionary decision and every colloquial use of the word "victim", they are in fact victims. You can say "oh they deserved it", but that changes nothing about the fact they were the victims of a crime. And by saying "the hacker has no blame" is hilarious in a sentence about anyone else's take, since hacking someone's secure server is a crime. Publishing personal identifying information is a crime. So yeah, the hacker has the blame of... committing crimes and creating victims of said crimes.
Morality is irrelevant to who is or isn't a victim of a crime. Unless you're using a new definition of "victim", which would be odd. I'm comfortable with my "take", since it's based on pretty easily understood uses of words.
@@KiraTV1it was a good video. strand you’re ground, u right
Even assuming you’re correct, the husbands, wives, and children who were put directly in harms way by a cheating family member are still victims.
I feel no sympathy for any of the victims of the hack whatsoever.
"The only real victims are the ones who trusted the website with their privacy"
Lol no thats their own fault for doing this dirty stuff
Your the guy who throws the rock at the harlots after Jesus says "he without sin cast the first stone" huh?
@@stevenclark1662is he wrong tho?
@@wut-dah_7212 is he wrong that they played stupid games and won stupid prizes? Not at all.
But there is surely a handful of people swept up in this that had their lives ruined for something they'd already worked out with their SO.
If the leaders were REALLY doing it for altruistic reasons, they would not have done it this way. The leaders did commit a crime, and all those who were leaked ARE victims of that crime. Certainly not the "only real victims" though.
"Leakers"
Not leaders
as someone whos been cheated on its nice to hear that the cheaters are getting what they deserve. their families, the REAL victims, never deserved what happened to them and i feel no remorse for someone getting their karma for cheating.
This is why people have lost faith in our institutions, companies and high profile individuals get a slap on the wrist while any of us would be in jail for a long time
The hacker is actually based 😎
I love watch documentaries about Internet related events and drama because it shows how clueless we still are and that there is so much more behind the clean-looking few frontpage websites that everybody uses.
Very well-made video, would love to watch more about Internet mysteries!
you can look up stuff about the darkweb but things get highly disturbing extraordinarily fast.
That being said, it's tough to tell what's real or not, but a fun rabbit hole to dive into
I mean anyone with even basic internet knowledge understands how even just browsing the internet without using a no logs VPN (and even with some VPNs who claim to be nologs) is giving up your data to multiple different entities tracking what you do and where you go, and if you make any kind of account or enter an email address, you're giving a LOT of information and potential access into your life whether you want to or not.
Peoples' first mistake is to assume a fancy presentation means that these companies have your data well protected, which it doesn't. We've seen this numerous times over, like Facebook storing passwords unencrypted in plain text files, or Ring doorbell letting employees access cameras through email lookup with no permissions needed. And yet people think these services (streaming, storage, etc.) are the future.
@@NateTheScot You're logged in to your google account, your vpn is meaningless. It's funny how people think a vpn is some magical protection, while doing nothing about their browsing habits.
@@NateTheScot Yeah, even the VPNs aren't all that fail-proof, lol. 😂I could've sworn one of the popular ones in RUclips sponsorships got hacked a couple years back iirc. The only way to be fully secure is to destroy your computer and never use one again. 🤣🤣
Fun fact is that in several states in the USA it is actually illegal to cheat on your spouse. I actually heard of several men (and a few women) in a state I used to live in that had pretty strict adultery laws who lost everything and a few that ended up in crippling debt due to the hack because their spouses divorced them and hit them with the full extent of the law. And what was the punishment of adultery in that state at the time? 10k per *each instance of adultery* that could be proved. Lets just say some had to pay a lot and that was taken into account after finances of a couple were split, not before, so the full brunt of the cost was solely on the cheater. It wasn't good for them, that's for sure...
Damn, that's actually nice to hear.
In Alaska it is illegal to whisper in someone's ear while they are moose hunting.
So what?
@@abloogywoogywoothey explained? Did you read the first sentence and then give up? Or are you just illiterate?
@@abloogywoogywoo ...Just because it's legal in some states, doesn't make it any less illegal in the states where it is outlawed? I legitimately don't get the point of your comment
@@matthewr6148 the fact that the whole world isn't America should not be confusing you.
I remember being semi obsessed with this story when it came out lol. I was about 15 at the time and my parents were divorced so it couldn’t have affected me personally, but I remember not feeling sorry for anyone that got caught lol. It’s their own fault 🤷🏻♀️
That hacker deserves a trophy and a cookie, a damn good cookie.
While it does suck for the people caught in the crossfire, don't sympathize with them about getting caught up in this. Cheating is one of the worst things you could ever do to an unsuspecting person who loves you. I always hated the fact that website exists and while I wont take joy in these people's suffering, I won't shed any tears over it, either.
Idk if they were in the crossfire. They had their hand in its existence.
@@LaserStorm117 I can't take it that far, the tool only exists because there is a demand for its existence, and while that may be a bit reductive, I can't blame them for using the site even though I do think it makes them bad people.
Seriously though, to anybody out there that is thinking about cheating--leave your relationship if it's not working out for you, just don't take the cowards path and inflict a life long wound on someone because you don't want to take a cold shower.
@@LaserStorm117 Oh, one last thing that is also worth considering: some portion of these people, who were essentially doxed, will have realized the error of their ways gone on to live better lives.
It's probably a pretty small %, given today's culture, but people can and sometimes do change their lives around and it's important that as a society we continue to allow people the chance to correct their mistakes, lest we all be damned for our pasts.
@@coreysayre1376 , but that's what I was saying: its existence was predicated on their use. If they didn't use it, it wouldn't exist. People that cheat and facilitate cheating are all shit in my eyes. Focusing on profits over morals is anti-human behavior, too.
Can we blame them? Idk, depends on what the call is.
I totally agree with you, though. If you're unsatisfied with your relationship, don't hurt someone that way because you're too craven to leave.
@@coreysayre1376, absolutely agree with that as well. People definitely are allowed to make mistakes and change. Good people can still do bad things, and bad people can still do good things.
Fun fact, the hackers could outright admit to it, and won't get punished. The statute of limitations passed for there cybercrimes.
The whole thing was a giant scam. There weren’t near enough women to provide the service advertised, yet the simps just kept shoveling out money like the fools that do “only fans."
this is what boggles me the most, i guarantee that 99% of men that had to resort to ashely maddison to find partners to cheat with, never actually managed to cheat in the first place. i would take it as a big hint that hubbie isn't cheating on me, because he can't woo anyone enough to actually cheat. also what's up with this incredible vindictive comment section, i guarantee most ashley maddison users were just curious, some were never even married. it was an incredibly spicy campaign
And... Wiki "early life" checks out. Every. Time.
Oh man this thing lolol. My family member got caught. He said he never met with anyone because the women on there were are all sex workers of course. His wife forgave him.
"Oh honey... I thought you'd SUCCESSFULLY cheated on me, but now that I can see you tried to cheat on me and failed, I forgive you completely!"
And some people say women can't be cucked...
@@StoutShakoI never understood that statement especially with how many women I've seen both inside and outside work still stay with men who are cheating assholes.
@@Pooky1991 Probably abused or low self esteem. It happens to men too. It’s sad, and I understand how insecurity makes people settle for bs, but at the same time yeah people need to wake up and say enough is enough, and gtfo. Stop giving chances to cheaters who don’t deserve it.
personally i believe that someone who actively decides to use a dating app designed for cheating deserves to get exposed for it 🤷
It sucks that the families had to find out so publicly. They are really the only people I feel bad for.
This is one of the very few occasions that I would praise the black hats for leaking sensitive data archive. Well done, The Impact Team. It was a perfectly placed UNO reverse card to those scumbags being disrespectful to their own partners who gave them the highest level of trust.
The hackers didn't ruin anyone's life. They ruined their own lives.
They made very bad, morally bankrupt, and stupid decisions on their own, yes, but pretending that the hackers didn't directly cause the ruin too is silly. Objectively, if the hackers hadn't released the information, then those people's lies wouldn't have been discovered until later, if ever.
I fully get not giving a shit about these cheaters (hell, I don't particularly pity them either), but be careful not to make a habit of allowing apathy to convince you of stuff that's just delusional or untrue. The hackers absolutely made the choice to ruin a bunch of cheaters' lives. Whether or not that morally wrong (as opposed to factually) is a different story.
Hmm, well, depends on how much personal information. If they essentially doxxed all the users then the hackers could well have ruined people's lives for reasons unrelated to the cheating. Or if it involved credit card information then people could have stolen that and stolen money from both the cheaters and their innocent partners, if they had a joint account.
If it was just identities: names, photos, general area maybe... Then it would be fair to say they didn't ruin anyone's lives and the cheaters basically dug their own grave. More than that though and you've got some issues.
I was just a single kid in my late 20's when I used that site.
I wasn't cheating on anyone. Sure, I was sleeping with people who were cheating - but I wasn't.
Why did I deserve to have my details leaked?
@mason96575 Because you were actively complicit in people cheating on their partners. By supporting the website and supporting people who are actively trying to cheat on their partners you're not an innocent bystander but an accomplice.
I was a horny 20 year old too once. I signed up for all sorts of dating sites, hookup sites, swinger sites, etc. I deliberately avoided Ashley Madison. Anyone with a brain and a moral compass can see that it's just not a place for good people. What's the win scenario? You end up in an affair with someone that's constantly lying to their other partner? That went out of their way to betray that partner? Who would honestly think that would work out for them?
Or was the win condition just a quick fling with someone that should be 'off limit's? Is someone else's betrayal a kink for you? Do you, literally, take pleasure in someone being deceived and cheated on by their partner?
There's literally no good outcome and for opting in you're clearly not a good person. So yes, you did deserve to be outed. Plus, if you've no issue with people who cheat then why would you have an issue with cheating yourself? Either you have a moral issue with people lying and betraying their partners or you don't. It seems you don't.
@@mason96575 'I was sleeping with people who were cheating'
...i mean. i've been 'the other guy'. so please don't read this as me posing as some higher being; i've done some nasty stuff. did you deserve to be doxxed? no probably not, but did you help other people do something shitty? yeah. i'll agree you probably have every right to feel like that wasn't deserved, but we're far from innocent imo.
also- presumably the fallout from it coming to light that a single 20-something had an account there was presumably minimal? though i imagine some folk wouldn't look too kindly on your 'helping' cheats it's not going to wreck your marriage.