Don’t blame the decision maker, blame the parents… jk. But ya it’s totally their fault for going on the website in the first place. They knew what they were doing
I dunno, how does some Christian "thou shalt not commit adultery" hacker with principles argue he's virteous when he caused deaths? This is messy situation that needed to be handled with care, and the fact the hacker botched some of the files and corrupted them, tells me they weren't competent enough for the task.
You are right but when you have the devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear "go on do it, life is too short" the devil bares some responsibility too, no?
It's baffling how many people still use the site. Not just because of the massive leak, but also because it was revealed that 95% of the woman on the site were bots.
That is also just the case for a lot of social media and dating sites however it's not nearly as abundant and predatory as Ashley Madison's practices. Anything more than like 20 or 40% is absolutely absurd.
I was cheated on, and of my group of friends, only my best friend decided to tell me as soon as she found out. The rest of them knew for MONTHS. I could never be more grateful for her telling me, even though it was crushing in that moment. What still hurts is the fact that my other now ex-friends just watched me while I was making a fool of myself. Cheaters don’t deserve any privacy about their affairs. The hacker saved countless people from years of dedication to literal scum.
I once told my relative I saw his then girlfriend with her ex boyfriend at a store and that she fled from me when I went to say hi that relative turned on me along with everyone else and when she finally admitted it I got no acknowledgement or apology maybe they were afraid of a similar outcome I don't know for sure I am just expressing my experience
Not only cheated on by your partner but by your entire friend group… That’s gotta feel like a gut punch from a freight train. At least your best friend is a real one.
@@danh5637exactly when my husbands mental health began to decline and he let himself go I had to just look elsewhere. If he won’t somebody else will I remember one time my boyfriend sent me a pic while I was next to my husband and I just looked from the pic to the depressed fat loser next to me and sighed🙄😂eventually I refused to interact with him until he lost 20 pounds and that worked so I broke up with my bf. My bf was hotter in every way except financially that’s where my husband excels so ofc that’s who I’m choosing to actually be with. sometimes I just need to step out and fulfill the needs my husband can’t if he doesn’t want me to then he needs to step up and do better😅
I find it hard to feel sorry for people who were selfish enough to betray their spouse's trust and dumb enough to pay money for a website with 32 million men, 12 thousand women and 5,5 million "fembots", as Kira so aptly put it.
@@yup9451a hero? So you think all the spouses who cheated on were happy the world learned their partner cheated on them? Had their addresses and credit card information become public
Honestly no one would've been "victimized" if they weren't horrible people who were either trying to cheat, or trying to knowingly sleep with cheaters. Everyone who was exposed was definitely an awful person, and deserved it.
@@AlbinoLokiThats like saying slapping somebody and murder are equally as bad. The cheater did severely harm his/her gf/bf and can easily destroy trust for years while the other person is just a stupid cunt, he/she doesn’t hurt anyone, cheaters gonna cheat anyway.
I signed up just out of curiosity. Never looked at profiles. Never chatted or tried to. Logged in once then forgot about it. Nothing ever came of it. But I wondered if anyone else did the same thing I did and got in big trouble
@@Caper1144if they didn’t buy any of the “credits” then the leaks shouldn’t reveal any personal information unless they are idiots who used their real name or emails to sign up
Yeah, they weren't really _"victimized"_ in the first place, they just had to face the consequences of their actions. And most people don't want to do that, so they cry victim. 🤷
I'm a greedy bisexual -- context, back before I was married I got tired of using okc to find a couple to date, it's all just "my bf wanted an open relationship but he can't get any dates so I'm only allowed to have gfs but he has to be in the room if we fool around BUT YOU CANNOT LOOK AT HIM OR I WILL CLAW YOUR EYES OUT BITCH" and everyone on fetlife is obese, covered in awful tattoos, is some kinda commie or is into something super weird like wearing diapers. So I looked at AM since it was billed as a polyamory dating site for a hot minute and it's like a worse, wrinklier okcupid/craigslist mutant lovechild. idk how anyone got dates through it, all the dudes take photos from under their chins and write "meet up at truck stop bring ur tits NO CONDOMS" in their bios and all the women are so freaking SAD "my hubby has been in a coma for ten years and i have cancer pls let me cry on u, no sex" lmfao. You'd think it'd be easy to find a couple to unicorn for but nah, they're all wackos or their pictures smell. My dreams of being the middle spoon while watching cspan went unfulfilled, alas.
You said “ruining marriages” while showing a photo of Josh and Anna Duggar. Sadly, that woman has stood by her man’s side not only through the Ashley Madison fiasco, but also when he was sentenced to prison for child pron. He’s now locked up and she still refuses to leave him.
She should probably be investiagted then. If your spouse is exposed as a p*do and you refuse to leave them, then you’ve probably got some skeletons in your closet. And even if you don’t, you should at the very least be held as an accomplice to your spouse’s crime for your refusal to ditch them as soon as you found out they are a p*do.
@@eeveefan132she can’t leave she has 7 kids 1yr to like 9yrs and all her support network expects her to stay married. The woman doesn’t even have a high school diploma. Hell she doesn’t even have a 5th grade diploma. She has no way to feed herself or her kids.
@@laraantipova389 Oh, yeah, right, they’re quiverfulls. Okay, I will admit to that being a valid point, to an extent. But generally though, I personal believe that PDF files should be legally barred from having any sort of contact with their families whatsoever. Leave the chomo to suffer alone for the rest of its life.
Cheating comes with a risk of being exposed no matter how you choose to do it. The only victims in this scenario are the faithful partners. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Maybe don't cheat on your spouse and allow a website access to private information that could ruin your marriage. If a giant corporation like Sony can be hacked, anyone can.
Exactly. It's sad, but unsurprising that so many men in the comments are more angry at the "professional catfish" (cuz shockingly the userbase was 98% male), than they are about all the spouses who got cheated on.
Every secret service around the world (the CIA, MI6, KGB, etc) have been hacked before. Every mega corporation has been hacked before. There is no such thing as an unhackable site or server. If it’s connected to the internet, it’s hackable.
@@WobblesandBean I mean if you sort by newest then yea you'll see a shit ton of men defending not being loyal to your spouse but if you don't then you'll see most people defend being loyal to your spouse.
Politely disagreeing, they ruined their own lives by going on Ashley Madison rather than just doing the responsible thing in either breaking up with their partners or going to therapy.
@@palp8623i woukdnt say the hacker "helped" anyone, they jad bad inte tions from the start and were out to be a dick, it just turns out that the people they were being a dick to happened to be conplete pieces of shit. Remove your personal feelings about cheating from the equation and your left with, someone violated other peoples privacy for personal gain, and honestly, do you think the partners of these people felt that their lives were better after this, do you think they felt helped?
The problem is some people have a kink specifically for cheating. They get way more aroused by knowing they're doing someone else behind their partner's back.
People also have SA kinks, my guy. But they’re still responsible if they act in those kinks and hurt someone. If that’s the case, they should seek therapy.
The only people I feel bad for in this situation, are the actual victims. The husbands or wives that found out their spouse was cheating, and the children who's lives were torn apart because of the nasty divorces, or suicide of their parents. Neither ALM or it's users get any sympathy from me. Edit: I have to add, I find it mind boggling ALM didn't suffer serious legal repercussions, and that after everything that happened, there are still people dumb enough to use the site. Just goes to show so many people don't care if their actions hurt the ones they claim to love.
it's extremely rare for companies to get seriously hit for the damage they do. fines are usually the main punishment & they're usually miniscule in comparison to the profits from the misbehaviour. (pull up a list of the biggest fines levvied to companies & then go have a peek at those firm's yearly turnover & it gets pretty bleak) self-regulating industry is pretty much a myth. but interventionist govt is unpopular with the people who buy politicians, so there's generally little or no oversight & few repurcussions.
@@beatricepevensie So the making people pay money to talk to fake accounts, and making them pay money to completely delete their info, without actually doing so... Those are perfectly fine? They straight up scammed people. I may not feel sympathy for those who got outed in the hack, but the company still did some shady ass shit that deserves to be punished.
I'm not sure I entirely understand what the hack included though. Did they expose a whole bunch of swingers, gay, and fat people from A&M's other dating sites?
I agree, the site alone was just a tool. I still think AM is disgusting for profiting from and enabling that behaviour, though. And scamming their customers (most of the women were allegedly bots).
@@lordfreerealestate8302 eh, if a person does something as immoral as cheating I really don't care if they're being scammed. These men lost any sympathy I might have had the instant they made the account or even had the thought of sincerely doing it.
The difference is, alcohol can be used moderately at a good level. Alcohol companies profit on excessive drinking, but their business does not entirely depend on excessive drinking to exist. A better analogy would be cigarette companies.
Obviously we can't blame the website for a person's infidelity (or a Liquor store for someone's alcoholism), but we can blame the distributor for making these two things so easily accessible to the average consumer.
@@lordfreerealestate8302yeah, it's better to look at this case as one of greedy con-men targeting scum for money getting what they deserve. Infidelity will exist with or without Ashley Madison, but those assholes sure did their best to exploit the shit outta its existence. They deserve as much shit as most of their customers are getting in these comments, if not more.
I was on that list. I think with 2 different emails. Nothing ever came of it. I just signed up so I could see if it was real. Like was there really women in my neighbourhood looking to cheat? Again, nothing ever came of it, but I wondered how many other people signed up just to peek behind the curtain. If you wondered why I signed up with two emails, it’s because I think I signed up, looked around for 2 seconds and never logged in again. A year latter I think I had the same curiosity and signed up again forgetting I ever signed up a year before.
I had a good, hearty laugh when this story broke. The logical disconnect of the people blaming the hackers for "ruining their relationship(s)" is so rich that it has to be bad for you to read.
This hack was taught to us in our cybersecurity lecture as it is considered a significant event in the young history of cybersecurity. It was one of the first big hacks that saw significant real-life consequences to human lives, including the deaths of a couple of people.
Did the hack have the direct consequences int he deaths of a couple of people, or did their own actions? If you are a pastor, a somewhat high-profile person among a local, but large bunch of people, what was your plan exactly when found out by someone local, with no hack involved? Was the hack responsible for Ashley Madison's failure to process the $19.99 to delete your data for good as promised, or did they just expose the greedy and scammy nature of Ashley Madison taking money and not actually deleting data which should have been gone - if not immediately, at least a few days after the 19.99 charge?
The hackers are scum too. Completely irresponsible act that resulted in suicides and financial blackmail, cheating is bad but they don't deserve death. The hackers are just pretentious losers with faux morality.
I mean sure, lose half ur property, fight for custody for the kids, lose ur financial dependence, world isn't black and white. Cheating sucks a lot and devastates the partner but not all relationships/partners r built the same. But it's easy to say don't kill solve ur problems or just don't see that person again but at the end of the day u could pay car notes in the form of child support while somebody raises them or stick with ur wife unhappy af but u get to keep ur kids and grow with them (get counseling then) man u really thunk the world is that simple
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu Exactly. many people cheating are stuck in bad toxic relationships with lots of commitments they cannot break without causing huge problems, the biggest being ruining kids childhoods. They go out and find someone to have a good time with for once in their miserable lives and instantly they are evil? But these incel self-righteous hackers would never understand that and only see in black and white, cheaters bad must destroy!
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu Just getting a divorce is literally BETTER than cheating on your partner. As a person whose parent cheated on the other. Just leave the relationship -_- it's a lot less traumatizing than having to deal with your parents having custody of you every other year each(in my case). Which caused me some separation anxiety I still have now.
Makes you realize the gender difference in what's important to a typical man vs woman: * man's problem: neither she nor the kids care about father's day * woman's problem: he didn't take me out on valentine's ... THAT is what slaps you in the face.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I think a lot of people's relationships suck and they feel unfulfilled, but not badly enough to overcome their comfort zone and break up. It's still shitty to cheat before breaking up because it causes massive drama and heartache, it's wildly disrespectful.
@@SGresponsemaking MASSIVE assumptions about the mens problem. Could be equally likely that men are reminded how bound they are by their commitments on fathers day.
one of my parents cheated on the other and the fact i have to hear them argue about it and yell at each other really makes me have zero sympathy for cheaters. behind each one of those profiles is most likely 1 or more kids whose development got irreversibly fucked up because one of their parents decided to cheat and got caught, and i’m just glad i only found out when i was 14-15 and was old enough to separate my life from my parent’s.
My parents divorced after my dad cheated on my mom. And witnessing the emotional distress mom went through for many years and how it took her long to move on made me develop no sympathy for cheaters. Oh, and on top of that my dad ended up cheating on some of his future partners as well.
My mom learned my dad had been cheating on her for over a decade. She told everyone in the family (aunts, uncles, grandparents) on both side of his unfaithfulness, claiming she still loved him but was going to get a divorce. She didn't. It's been over 4 years since then and I wish my mom hadn't burdened me with such a great secret. Even now she dumps his past (or their current relationship) on me and I want to scream "THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL TOGETHER?!" I know it isn't easy to break up with someone you've been with for decades, but it's traumatized me. How? I have 2 younger brothers, (14 and 16 now) who are the only ones NOT TOLD the truth. I'm a terrible secret keeper and I see my family all the time. Parents are too cowardly to tell my brothers the truth, don't want to hurt them, but how is that fair to me? My brother's are so comfortable and happy whereas I've broken down on a train because the pressure is so much. Mom told me because I was an adult, her only daughter, and would take her side. And I did and do but she thinks she's the only one suffering. I've told her to stop telling me shit, but she can't help it. We all know someday the boys will learn the truth. And when they do I'm sure they'll feel betrayed. I know I'll be blamed too for keeping this from them, and it really really hurts. I can't watch movies or books supporting cheating at all. Even songs. It just makes me imagine my dad and his past "lovers" relationship and I can't handle how cheating is okay, how it's romantic if their SO is evil. So what? Be an adult and break up with SO before you become a piece of shit. Sorry for the rant, I needed a release
@@EmpressGoldilockedthat’s misogynistic, “because you’re a girl it’s ok to ruin your mental health” and it’s a LIE. Tell your brothers. They didn’t tell them because they know a 14 and 16 year old boy will actually b3at your dad to a pulp. Your mom is afraid for your dad and that’s why she won’t tell your brothers. Tell them!
as an atheist, i'm glad that christians are exposed for their "family values" - from the christian vlogger to the pastor. i hate people using religion as a way to think they're better than you because they believe in the bible and its stories of a virgin girl giving birth, of one human man dying to save all of humanity from their sins. pfft. like the death of one man thousands of years ago dying on a cross will grant a story believer a ticket to heaven for cheating, adultery, sins. what logic is that?
I would argue Ashley Madison also ruined normal dating sites. They did so many scummy things other then just promote themselves as the affair site, they made dating sites realize how easy it is to get vulnerable men to pay to use the site and make it flooded full of bots.
Yeah that's a really understated effect of this all. I don't know how bad it was beforehand, but I'm sure many how far and how successful they were with a model of bots and almost using "pay to play" tactics, then reconsidered their own model. Dating sites have a lot of issues and the apparent bot problem is pretty funny from the outside looking in but it's super worrying. They're not only making money off loneliness and a desire for connection, they're manufacturing it.
@@navonmyhand7999for all men it’s pay to play. Dating apps purposefully make it more difficult to even see your potential matches. It pushed people towards inceldom because they believe nobody finds them attractive when dating apps are not a good metric for that.
Vulnerable men?? Bruh wtf are you talking about. It’s common knowledge by now that you’re not talking to real women. If you pay for this shit they deserve to take your money for your stupidity 😂😂
@@navonmyhand7999 bots are widely used now and in countries where such activity isn't regulated you can see job posting for bot operators (they call it chat manager who helps girl to translate her chats real time). i doubt classic dating sites now have any real girls, and why should they? girls can earn with OF or more direct activities, it's not as profitable to scam men in dating app. and as for honest girls... why any real girl would want to mess with dating site? it's not like girls are having hard time to grab decent guy.
Vulnerable men? A lot of these men made the CHOICE to do something despicable, these are grown men with a fully developed brain. Let’s not pity them. Or any man who empties his bank account on deplorable sites like this. In the US, there seems to be a narrative of men being the logical ones, the level headed ones, the ones who blame women for the degeneracy of the nation, especially now more than ever. Then how come at times like this, when these men make these horrible choices indicative of their decaying morals, are deemed to be victims? Sites like this are everywhere and people all around the world use it. You are responsible for yourself. If the majority users are men, that shows the flaw in how men are brought up and the values they uphold as an adult. Since men have never been shamed for indulging in their sexual desires, it’s not surprise many of them don’t care for self control and their appetite is insatiable. It’s not normal, they know it. They just don’t care neither does anybody shake them for it. If the world shamed a man’s promiscuity as much as a woman’s, maybe we’d have more men with a backbone and an ounce of integrity. And instead, we got a generation of men with nothing but Madonna Whore Complex. Indulging in their desires excessively behind closed doors, and then publicly shaming sex workers. Not all men. But enough to make you question what’s wrong with your gender.
As a kid, seeing the commercials for this site on TV, it always confused me how the company thought that kind of open promotion was a good idea. You can't keep a secret that isn't really a secret. I mean, what would've stopped someone's wife from just searching the site for their husband's name ? People still paying into this site have to be even duller than the ones that were before the hack.
This is the era of the internet run by tech inept adults. And we are slowly replacing them as they age out. As for the hope of tech literacy, don't hold your breath for it. There's a lot of leadership who have yet to touch a machine.
I was just thinking how odd it was that they had these commercials on regular TV back in the day. Could you imagine just seeing something like that today? People would be going nuts. I feel like it wasn't even seen as a big deal until this hack scandal happened.
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 if you don’t want to commit to somebody you can go have a relationship where that’s your understanding. Betraying a marriage vow where you commit to one another makes you a degenerate. I’m guessing you aren’t married
@@mythicalmeanderings People are made to have sex with lots of other people. There's a reason that the overwhelming majority of people experience a decrease in sexual satisfaction in long term relationships. Society has this fucked up notion that being in a relationship means that your partner owns your body, and it's incredibly unhealthy. There's a reason that most successful long-term marriages have a "don't ask don't tell" arrangement.
Moreover, using your affair website you made and didn't put any cybersecurity on at all. If i was making a site i planned to use for shit i didn't want out my cybersecurity teams would be in fuckin lambourghinis
Cheating will always happen with or without the internet but providing an internet site for that exact reason makes those people immoral in my opinion. Their motto is literally "Life is short. Have an affair."
Isn't it strange that national news made this relatively obscure website a household name? Is "shady dating site" really a news story, or did they have some other motive in promoting it?
Immoral for profiting off of an existing and extremely common trend? Yeah, no. The only immoral person here is the hacker to broke the privacy of millions of people AND GOT PEOPLE KILLED.
@@Jimpiedepimpie Personally, I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they tried to create a moral panic over it. They knew that basic human psychology makes us attracted (by and large) to things we're not supposed to have or do. "DON'T visit this shady website where you can easily cheat on your spouse!" - End result? A surge in traffic to said shady website. It has the same ring as when the 1993 Assault Weapons Ban was being paraded around the media (because gun control totally works...), and suddenly people were flocking to get AR-15s or AK clones before the ban was put into effect. Gun owners who didn't even *know* they could legally purchase AR-15s, AKs, and similar firearms were trading in hunting rifles to get one. Same thing, you tell people they *CAN'T* have something, and by God they will suddenly decide that is what they want right NOW!
@Jimpiedepimpie I don't think this needs a conspiracy. Racy and crazy stories get clicks, views and heated discussion. Everything daytime television wants from their audience, just also what AshleyMadison wanted from the public conscience to spread word.
@@advancedomegaif you’re putting your kids in a situation that could cause years of trauma, you probably shouldn’t have them. unhappy marriages, difficult divorces, and more things like that are one of the top causes of childhood trauma
I don't think you understand how custody works. Just because they cheated doesn't mean they don't have the right to see their kid. Wether the kid wants to see them or not, it's a legal thing not a moral thing
It's wild seeing some of the rationale behind cheaters refusing to leave their spouses. Imagine spending more effort and money on having an affair rather than improving your relationship.
This is a fantastic lesson in data safety: the only way that your information is safe from hacks or legal action is to not provide it in the first place. This has been seen with Glassdoor, Reddit, RUclips DMCA abuse as well. You legally can’t avoid giving info in some circumstances, but it’s always a good idea to be thoughtful about who you give it to.
and it couldnt have have happened to a better site. anything that enables spousal cheating should be immediately distrusted b ydefault: after all you are trsuting another entity with information you don't want to out: this is an irresponsible amount ot power to give to a 3rd party and one does not feel sorry the inevitable happened.
@@g3ntl323 Not even close to true, advertising companies, and probably scammers, will buy the data of anyone they can. I've stopped using my real info unless I absolutely have to, like with legal stuff. But, it irritates me that the little bit of info I had online when I was a kid was probably sold to someone and I didn't get a penny for it.
@@Teixas666 A lot of these men were in sexless marriages, and so got the double whammy of trying to pay for sex and being blackmailed when they failed. The deeper societal story is there are an awful lot of married men who really shouldn't have gotten married or if they did they should be divorced in order to have moral-free sex with others. One wonders what would happen if a married man announced he's not getting any and so he's searching for a mistress. The honestly of it all.
AM Cheaters: "That's not fair, it's supposed to be confidential!!!" Also AM Cheaters: Gives all their personal info to a company that allows tons of people to access said info.
If you ask yourself, "What is the worse possible thing that could happen?" and the answer is "My life being left in total ruins"... Don't. FUCKING. Do. It.
it's incredible how many things this advice applies to, and applies to correctly. this should be a PSA all over the place, but they'd never do that, since it would inadvertently drive military recruitment rates down.
I don't think I could ever feel bad for people becoming the victims of the consequences of their own actions. Don't wanna be shamed for cheating? Don't cheat. Simple as that.
I can feel sympathy that their cheating website cheated them out of their money to delete their account. It just gets washed over immediately by how poetic it all coincidentally is.
no no, it actually makes sense. It's like how people travel to areas that have recently been victim to terror attacks. It's cheaper and much safer since security will be much higher. It certainly doesn't make it right though.
I hate that Biderman cast critics as prudes. I don't care what you get up to if you're single, or there's an explicit and equal agreement within an arrangement, but cheating is cruel. I've been on the receiving end, and it caused me serious psychological harm.
How can you take that douchebag seriously? The minute I heard he's in a long-term monogamous marriage I knew he was up to no good personally. That wife who stuck by him needs her head examined.
It's crazy how many "family values people" turned out to use this site to cheat on their spouses. It's just hypocrisy. Cheat on your partner and then blame and accuse others of being unfaithful.
They need to keep up the appearances in order to be able to sell whatever they're selling. It's all about money, status or control. That's why you should never take people as role models only at face value.
It's typical Republican logic - look at all the Republicans that push anti-lgbt agendas, then get caught in cheap motel rooms with 18 year old boys 😂 (Often caught with 15 or 17 year old children - but that's them being pedophiles, and not gay. Hell, look at Gaetz paying underage girls for sex over Venmo and labeling it as "textbooks") Not to mention the one's who say they just had a "wide stance" and weren't cruising. Republicans are the most twisted and backwards illogical people ever.
Those kind of people just hate themselves alot. I also noticed that people who were fat at some point also hate the most on fat people, they just seem to see themselves in those people.
Because the truth is that "family values people" are usually very fake people. They are the people who will speak sweetly to you while judging you for things they are guilty of as well. They would rather live their life with extreme cognitive dissonance rather than change and face themselves.
I always say if someone telling the truth about you is ruining your life, you ruined your own life by doing whatever the secret was. We all make choices we regret that are embarrassing but blaming people for simply exposing the truth is denial of that responsibility.
I mean, that is kinda bs. It would be like saying that the French resistance members ruined their lives for not bending their knee to the nazis. Or Anne Frank ruined her life by being a jew. I know it's an absurd extent, but your stance seems really focused on the absolute, so it's important to distance it from everyday reality and think of cases where the truth is hidden out of necessity, where you can't actually change or get out of a situation. Which, naturally, is not the case for the vast majority of cases shown. It's just that, in a world where marriage is often a material and almost comercial relationship, we cannot assume it's so easy either.
@@LuizAlexPhoenixthose people did technically ruin their lives, the difference is that it was for a good cause. A person should get the honor for their honorable decisions/actions, and the dishonor for their dishonorable actions. You call marriage “commercial”, but it is still an oath. If your word means that little, that’s a you problem. And I’m sorry you see it that way, but many people are truly in love and committed. To be cheated on would feel like one of the most painful betrayals. Some people can be in a committed marriage and give decades of their life to someone who has been betraying them for decades. We all have to live with the consequences of decisions we make.
@@LuizAlexPhoenixThe difference is the French didn’t choose to be invaded. Anne Frank didn’t choose to be Jewish. These people made the conscious decision to PAY to be a cheater.
Ashley Madison didn't ruin anyone's lives, nor did the hacker. The people ruined their own lives; they just got found out. I for one have zero sympathy for people that suffer the consequences of their own bad decisions.
Well there were non-married gay people using the site to find each other in countries were being gay is punishable by death. I’d say their lives were pretty ruined. The hackers could have redacted users real location data or take out users who live in countries were being revealed would die but I guess they deserved it for choosing to be born there lol
@@WeiYinChan Yeah that's fucked up, they probably didn't know about such laws or forgot about them. Do you know if anyone got executed because of the leak?
@@darth3261I don't think there are any confirmed cases (not that those countries would be super open and transparent about the people they oppress) but if you search you can find posts from 2015 when the list came out that some people are seeking advice to flee their countries online because they are worried they would be executed if they are outed in places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. It's just important to know that a lot of people who signed up on Ashley Madison did so because it's promised to be secure and discreet, not all of them are adulterers. There are even cases of people signing up because they suspected their spouses were cheating and wanted to see if they can catch them on the site. And of course the website never deletes user data so now they are in the cheater list even though they were victims. This kind of wide-net approach of exposing everyone created a lot of collateral damages.
@@darth3261 two reported deaths by suicide were direct responses to the leak, in canada. in a country which criminalized homosexuality, of course they wouldn't report the deaths of gay people whom they killed or committed suicide. i get hating cheaters, but don't give the hackers the benefit of the doubt. They knew they were risking lives by releasing the personal info and i hope they feel some guilt.
I say good on the hacker. Getting cheated on is one of the worst emotional pains I have ever felt, and cheaters do not learn. They may genuinely love you, but they do not believe you deserve to be let in enough to discuss their true feelings. That, and many cheaters actually get off to the risk of getting caught, which means they know the consequences are bad.
@@immuneimmunity9212i mean yes it’s a breach of privacy but it’s not a big deal, subhuman filth were the ones who got burned so it’s all good in my eyes
You know all of us in that leak weren't the cheating party, right? I was just on the site as a single kid in my late 20's... Plenty of people who were cheating wanted that attention from me. We ALL didn't deserve to be doxxed like we were. Think about it: I wasn't cheating on anyone.
@@mason96575 I am not saying that you deserved to be doxxed, but don't act as if you are innocent if you engage with someone to help them cheat on their partner.
@@Moony1568He would've had to, if he was actually 15. Not to mention that your average person won't know how to access those files, anyway, since they weren't dropped on the surface web. Most of the people affected were big names in entertainment or government because that's who the people on the dark web were looking for.
Maybe the hacker(s) only said they were former ALM employees to throw people off the scent. Maybe they learned through their hacking that there was an unstable, antagonistic employee at the company on whom investigators would naturally focus first.
I'm thinking the guy who killed himself was a 4chan user, and gave others on the site the passwords/information, and told them to set him up as a red herring.
A lack of a clear motive besides determination to see ALM get destroyed, and botched delivery of data files, does either point to a disgruntled employee or a devout/autistic religious man.
not sure where K got the idea they were employees: afaik in hacking terminology 'inside' doesn't mean employees, it means 'have access to', saying 'we've been inside for XX' is just claiming that you've had unlimited access for a long period.
@@lucascoval828 A lot of people seem to not grasp the idea that work should create value for society, instead believing that any work that produces money is automatically valuable
Fun fact is that in several states in the USA it is actually illegal to cheat on your spouse. I actually heard of several men (and a few women) in a state I used to live in that had pretty strict adultery laws who lost everything and a few that ended up in crippling debt due to the hack because their spouses divorced them and hit them with the full extent of the law. And what was the punishment of adultery in that state at the time? 10k per *each instance of adultery* that could be proved. Lets just say some had to pay a lot and that was taken into account after finances of a couple were split, not before, so the full brunt of the cost was solely on the cheater. It wasn't good for them, that's for sure...
@@abloogywoogywoo ...Just because it's legal in some states, doesn't make it any less illegal in the states where it is outlawed? I legitimately don't get the point of your comment
Your best security is using fake info. If I were to use shady sites like this, I'd just spoof everything. You can even do that with credit cards nowadays.
I remember seeing these commercials pop up when I was a teen. And I remember feeling so sad. Sad that they promoted cheating, but also sad to realize that cheating is a common norm. It's devastating😢
cheating is only a norm nowadays due to the social manipulations morally-bankrupt oligarchs like the guy who founded this exact company. it's _because_ of the promotion of these sorts of things that it's become like this.
I love watch documentaries about Internet related events and drama because it shows how clueless we still are and that there is so much more behind the clean-looking few frontpage websites that everybody uses. Very well-made video, would love to watch more about Internet mysteries!
you can look up stuff about the darkweb but things get highly disturbing extraordinarily fast. That being said, it's tough to tell what's real or not, but a fun rabbit hole to dive into
I mean anyone with even basic internet knowledge understands how even just browsing the internet without using a no logs VPN (and even with some VPNs who claim to be nologs) is giving up your data to multiple different entities tracking what you do and where you go, and if you make any kind of account or enter an email address, you're giving a LOT of information and potential access into your life whether you want to or not.
Peoples' first mistake is to assume a fancy presentation means that these companies have your data well protected, which it doesn't. We've seen this numerous times over, like Facebook storing passwords unencrypted in plain text files, or Ring doorbell letting employees access cameras through email lookup with no permissions needed. And yet people think these services (streaming, storage, etc.) are the future.
@@NateTheScot You're logged in to your google account, your vpn is meaningless. It's funny how people think a vpn is some magical protection, while doing nothing about their browsing habits.
@@NateTheScot Yeah, even the VPNs aren't all that fail-proof, lol. 😂I could've sworn one of the popular ones in RUclips sponsorships got hacked a couple years back iirc. The only way to be fully secure is to destroy your computer and never use one again. 🤣🤣
You know, if you make and promote a websits that's based around immoral, dishonest degeneracy, you're basically asking to be hacked or get something worse. It's like a scammer flashing their expensive cars, only to get attacked or outright merced by the victims of their acts.
If only the world really worked like that. If it did, I don't think we would be in this objectively bad situation that can be easily be stopped if we wanted to. The fact that you can't tell which horrible thing I'm referring to means we are fucked. There's too many of them and people like money.
Really great video! Hearing cheaters treated as victims was a bit bothering though. They aren't people who made 1 mistake on impulse. Cheating isn't a mistake. People have to decide they still want to cheat every step of the way. In this case, they even had to continue spending money to cheat. These people knew full well what they were doing, and every one deserves to be exposed. Being cheated on can mess a person up for life. Everyone should know who around them is a cheater so they can avoid potential hurt in the future too/
Agreed, the act of cheating is a conscious and continuous decision. If they wanted an open relationship, should’ve discussed it with their spouse first
You really need to hate somebody to cheat on them. The emotional devastation, splitting up your family unit, exposure to diseases...cheating is a deliberate act of hate because of the emotional and physical harm it causes. For someone to do that to a person they claim to love...nah, that ain't love.
You know all of us in that leak weren't the cheating party, right? I was just on the site as a single kid in my late 20's... Plenty of people who were cheating wanted that attention from me. We ALL didn't deserve to be doxxed like we were. Think about it: I wasn't cheating on anyone. That's like if your bf cheats on you with someone else and you burning down that other person's house. They weren't cheating- your bf was.
this is the type of scandal/scam i LOVE to see 😭 the company facilitating cheating is destroyed and the losers who decided to cheat get exposed. EVERYONE WINS !
as someone whos been cheated on its nice to hear that the cheaters are getting what they deserve. their families, the REAL victims, never deserved what happened to them and i feel no remorse for someone getting their karma for cheating.
While it does suck for the people caught in the crossfire, don't sympathize with them about getting caught up in this. Cheating is one of the worst things you could ever do to an unsuspecting person who loves you. I always hated the fact that website exists and while I wont take joy in these people's suffering, I won't shed any tears over it, either.
@@LaserStorm117 I can't take it that far, the tool only exists because there is a demand for its existence, and while that may be a bit reductive, I can't blame them for using the site even though I do think it makes them bad people. Seriously though, to anybody out there that is thinking about cheating--leave your relationship if it's not working out for you, just don't take the cowards path and inflict a life long wound on someone because you don't want to take a cold shower.
@@LaserStorm117 Oh, one last thing that is also worth considering: some portion of these people, who were essentially doxed, will have realized the error of their ways gone on to live better lives. It's probably a pretty small %, given today's culture, but people can and sometimes do change their lives around and it's important that as a society we continue to allow people the chance to correct their mistakes, lest we all be damned for our pasts.
@@coreysayre1376 , but that's what I was saying: its existence was predicated on their use. If they didn't use it, it wouldn't exist. People that cheat and facilitate cheating are all shit in my eyes. Focusing on profits over morals is anti-human behavior, too. Can we blame them? Idk, depends on what the call is. I totally agree with you, though. If you're unsatisfied with your relationship, don't hurt someone that way because you're too craven to leave.
@@coreysayre1376, absolutely agree with that as well. People definitely are allowed to make mistakes and change. Good people can still do bad things, and bad people can still do good things.
The fucked up part is that in Saudi Arabia, if the man of the cheating couple has even an iota of wealth or power, it’ll only be the woman in the affair who is stoned to death 🙄
@@spht9ng Site was male-oriented, but the sheer amount of bots that were female doesn't change that the female clientele were numerous. Just outnumbered by the sheer number of bots acting like real women. Prolly a 60/40 split with bots taking up 50% of the overall "traffic".
@@stephenjenkins7971 Except if you actually watched the video... it plainly states that there were only 12,000 active non-bot women accounts out of the 37million.
@@wut-dah_7212 is he wrong that they played stupid games and won stupid prizes? Not at all. But there is surely a handful of people swept up in this that had their lives ruined for something they'd already worked out with their SO. If the leaders were REALLY doing it for altruistic reasons, they would not have done it this way. The leaders did commit a crime, and all those who were leaked ARE victims of that crime. Certainly not the "only real victims" though.
Oh man this thing lolol. My family member got caught. He said he never met with anyone because the women on there were are all sex workers of course. His wife forgave him.
"Oh honey... I thought you'd SUCCESSFULLY cheated on me, but now that I can see you tried to cheat on me and failed, I forgive you completely!" And some people say women can't be cucked...
@@StoutShakoI never understood that statement especially with how many women I've seen both inside and outside work still stay with men who are cheating assholes.
@@Pooky1991 Probably abused or low self esteem. It happens to men too. It’s sad, and I understand how insecurity makes people settle for bs, but at the same time yeah people need to wake up and say enough is enough, and gtfo. Stop giving chances to cheaters who don’t deserve it.
I remember seeing ads for this site and thought it was your typical scam site that just stole your credit card info. The slogan "Lifes short, have an affair" seemed too much like a satire to be real.
I never heard that the perpetrator was never caught. Thanks for following up on this. I constantly wonder about old news stories like this that just randomly disappear from the zeitgeist.
This is one of the very few occasions that I would praise the black hats for leaking sensitive data archive. Well done, The Impact Team. It was a perfectly placed UNO reverse card to those scumbags being disrespectful to their own partners who gave them the highest level of trust.
i love how different the behaviour of Will Harrison and Team Impact are. Will Harrison threatened, Taunted and put his face to basically everything he did, Team Impact appeared, made a threat, released the data when ingored, then vanished without ever seeking any sort of bragging.
My ex only ever used Ashley Madison and I didn’t find out why that was until she decided one boyfriend wasn’t enough and attached two more to our relationship without me knowing. Careful the fish you catch in the seas, some have parasites inside just as badly as those with them outside.
I never know what diverse topics I'd never think I'd be interested in until a KiraTV video comes out. BTW I looked up Josh Duggar's wife out of curiosity and, yes, she's still married to him, still supports him, lives on the family's compound and is still devoted to their cult.
If she didnt do any of that i have no doubt they would make her homeless and take away her way too many kids from her. The damn town that compound is in kisses the duggar's ass.
The fact that people signed up with their government emails is just so baffling to me. Just make a throwaway Gmail geez. I don't condone these lowlifes and I'm glad they were dumb enough to do that and get exposed, but wow, have some common sense.
The fact there was only 12,000 legit female profiles is astonishing. Probably the most shocking thing to me. I can't imagine after the breach there was a bunch of women lining up to sign up. At that ratio, now with 60 million users, maybe there's 20,000 females, which is 0.03%. There's like 3000 men for each real woman. Good luck boys! (edited because percentage to ratio calculation is too hard for my tiny tiny brain)
At 20,000 women (leaving 59,980,000 men) that makes for 59,980,000/20,000 = 2999 men per woman. Even better! Edit: Missed the part where there were 7 million fake woman accounts. That makes 52,980,000/20,000 = 2649 men per woman.
@@toomanyaccounts Exactly. I keep trying to tell this fact to my gf, that she could go up to a random guy... ANY guy, and cheat. If I did that, I'd catch a charge, or get slapped, or laughed at, or all three. She refuses to believe that though. Or she knows, and is just trying to make me feel better lol.
As someone who was cheated on multiple times, it's hard to feel sorry for their names and conversations being leaked, but addresses, credit card info, and nude photos cross the line for me. No one is deserving of being DDOS'd and becoming a victim of theft, fraud, or revenge porn. As he said, "like us or not, this is still a criminal act"
I mean, they dropped only 10% of all the data, presumably leaving most of the conversations and pictures out of the releases. They did leak the other stuff, but as far as I can tell not much in the way of pictures, which I presume would be the majority of a 300GB data package from a website like that.
I'm probably in the minority but nudes being leaked is the risk you take if you keep them online. I don't know why anyone expects they'll remain private. Literally buy a camera and print them out, then delete the digital copies. It's not that hard.
Well this is all why a prudent person wouldn’t send naked pictures to someone they barely know while also being married. Expect bad things to eventually come back around when your engaging in bad behavior. It’s just much easier to live a clean honest life. I agree with you but it’s just ALL bad. Play in the devils’s playground and this what happens. I don’t support any of it or wish for bad things to happen to bad people etc…. I’m just pointing out that these are the type of things that happen when you’re playing with fire.
😭😭 kira is being nice, what do you mean caught in a crossfire they signed up to be caught these people should have known better than to go on to cheat on their loved ones. 13:05
@lukebytes5366 because they were clearly innocent bystanders? They were part of the crime. If I go on a site reporting that I murdered someone, and the company got targeted, I'm still guilty of my actions and just got exposed for them. There is no sympathy for them.
I remember when it came out that some of the users registered using their work emails. Some of those were in fields that required years of secondary and post secondary education. One would think someone with a job like that wouldn't do something that idiotic, but I digress.
If I had a nickle for everytime Josh Douger came up in a video not specifically about his crimes or family recently I would have 10 cents. It isn’t much, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice
The ironic part of this story is these men really thought they were talking to real women…. The cost of cheating is wiiiild! Just should’ve never done it especially on a website that is so open to the public!
The people who got exposed aren't victims. They got what they deserved. The real victims are the spouses who got cheated on, and the kids who were caught in the middle of this storm. None of them deserved this, the cheating, the lies, and the way it was all exposed. I hope that they dumped the cheaters, took the kids, and got far away. If not all of them, at least most of them.
Special mention to John Barilaro aka "Bruz", my country's (Australia's) deputy premier at the time, who got caught cheating no less than 4 times while using Ashley Madison's "services". And the best part...his username was "johnlovestolick". Truly an Aussie icon!
It's funny how he's known internationally only by the word "Bruz." I don't know if it's the same thing there, but the only people in the US know about him as the guy who hates being called "Bruz"
I didn't hear about Giovanni on Ashley Madison but I do recall him being paid to stay home from work and feel sorry for himself. And various assault allegations against him. He's a walking powder keg with a massive chip on his shoulders.
I read "cheating" and thought this video was going to be about gaming. Im happy my brain associates cheating with video games rather than human relationships but wtf lol
16:08“Josh Duggar’s actions couldn’t be excused and NO ONE would dare to defend this monster” Evangelical Christians: “allow us to introduce ourselves…”
Seeing that the Duggar parents go on a transphobic rant and trying to say their son is not a pdf file on public TV I wonder what the Duggar parents are saying now when all that stuff happened
@@Runk3lsmcdougalI believe the father was discovered to use the site. Making the situation worse, I believe the family are Christian fundamentalists, so being faithful to each other is considered extremely important no matter what (including abuse), and divorce under almost any circumstances is a big no-no (even when facing certain types of abuses).
@@Runk3lsmcdougal One of the adult children in that family's hyper-Christian cult would regularly sexually abuse his little sisters, and his parents defended him and shielded him from facing any punishment for his actions. He largely got away with it and now has kids of his own... Including daughters. 😬 I do believe he went to prison for something unrelated later, though, so at least there's that.
some dude: soaks himself in kerosene and holds a lit blowtorch a couple inches from his clothing some other dude: pushes the blowtorch slightly toward the guy's clothes, instantly igniting him some dude: HEY THAT GUY LIT ME ON FIRE basically
Lets be real: the only victims are the people who got cheated on. The men on this site are NOT victims. They willingly participated. They cant be called victims and you shouldn’t excuse their hand in the situation so easily tbh.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But in the context of what's talked about, it's just in relation to the criminal act by the hackers that they're called victims. But neither are they criminals from a legal standpoint, unless if you're a Saudi lol. I wonder what happened with those guys
@@about10ninjas According to the numbers in the video. Less than 0.05% of the users were women. That number is so small it may as well be a statistical anomaly. Sure there were some women obviously but it was almost entirely a men's site. "Women did this too" can almost be fallacy and whattaboutism. It's not even like disproportionately men, it may as well be all men. That's like 300 women to every MILLION men. Do you see how skewed that ratio is?
Putting ANY blame on the hacker is an absolutely SHIT take. The hacker didn't do anything to ruin people's lives and relationships. The people choosing to cheat did it to themselves/their partners. The people who decided to cheat are not "victims" here...
By every single dictionary decision and every colloquial use of the word "victim", they are in fact victims. You can say "oh they deserved it", but that changes nothing about the fact they were the victims of a crime. And by saying "the hacker has no blame" is hilarious in a sentence about anyone else's take, since hacking someone's secure server is a crime. Publishing personal identifying information is a crime. So yeah, the hacker has the blame of... committing crimes and creating victims of said crimes. Morality is irrelevant to who is or isn't a victim of a crime. Unless you're using a new definition of "victim", which would be odd. I'm comfortable with my "take", since it's based on pretty easily understood uses of words.
I’d be grateful to have my partner’s infidelity brought to life. There’s something particularly terrifying about finding out the person you’ve been sleeping next to for years, you’ve been planning your future alongside, you love with all your heart and soul…is not the person you thought they were. Been there. Still there, trying to secretly get out. And I’m still very afraid.
The hacker didn't ruin the marriages and relationships. The decision to cheat did.
Don’t blame the decision. Blame the decision maker.
Don’t blame the decision maker, blame the parents… jk. But ya it’s totally their fault for going on the website in the first place. They knew what they were doing
Yeah thats totally deserved
I dunno, how does some Christian "thou shalt not commit adultery" hacker with principles argue he's virteous when he caused deaths?
This is messy situation that needed to be handled with care, and the fact the hacker botched some of the files and corrupted them, tells me they weren't competent enough for the task.
You are right but when you have the devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear "go on do it, life is too short" the devil bares some responsibility too, no?
“Life is short, have an affair” feels like a parody slogan for a company you’d see in a cyberpunk dystopia where all the ads are two or three words
I thought the same thing!
I forgot what Ashley Madison was and thought it was a parody slogan in the thumbnail.
Read it in a female LA American voice and it sounds like an ad on a GTA V radio station 😂
@@curtisss It does! XD
Gonks gonna be gonks huh. Guess this was the result
It's baffling how many people still use the site. Not just because of the massive leak, but also because it was revealed that 95% of the woman on the site were bots.
This is just the tip of the iceberg
Degenerates don't exactly care about quality.
Desperation
that is sad lmao
That is also just the case for a lot of social media and dating sites however it's not nearly as abundant and predatory as Ashley Madison's practices. Anything more than like 20 or 40% is absolutely absurd.
I was cheated on, and of my group of friends, only my best friend decided to tell me as soon as she found out. The rest of them knew for MONTHS. I could never be more grateful for her telling me, even though it was crushing in that moment. What still hurts is the fact that my other now ex-friends just watched me while I was making a fool of myself. Cheaters don’t deserve any privacy about their affairs. The hacker saved countless people from years of dedication to literal scum.
I once told my relative I saw his then girlfriend with her ex boyfriend at a store and that she fled from me when I went to say hi that relative turned on me along with everyone else and when she finally admitted it I got no acknowledgement or apology maybe they were afraid of a similar outcome I don't know for sure I am just expressing my experience
That's a true friend.
Not only cheated on by your partner but by your entire friend group… That’s gotta feel like a gut punch from a freight train. At least your best friend is a real one.
@@adamvose2651That's a lot of people's experience. It's very common.
@@danh5637exactly when my husbands mental health began to decline and he let himself go I had to just look elsewhere. If he won’t somebody else will I remember one time my boyfriend sent me a pic while I was next to my husband and I just looked from the pic to the depressed fat loser next to me and sighed🙄😂eventually I refused to interact with him until he lost 20 pounds and that worked so I broke up with my bf. My bf was hotter in every way except financially that’s where my husband excels so ofc that’s who I’m choosing to actually be with. sometimes I just need to step out and fulfill the needs my husband can’t if he doesn’t want me to then he needs to step up and do better😅
I remember hearing about this and assumed the site itself was meant as a trap for cheaters.
If I had the time and resources I would love to make a site like this, and then have it "hacked".
Haha, like that rent-a-hitman website. 😅
And just like this site - in the end - the bad people got what they deserved!
I mean... it was... just not intentionally.
I thought the website is just a joke or just a regular dating website with publicity stunt.
I'm surprised the website is still up. Who the heck would even trust it after that?
Oh no, how dare that hacker inform millions of people that their horrible partner is cheating on them. What a jerk.
Yeah the world is black and white
@@Popirnot when it comes to cheating it is
@@lvlHive How old are you ?
@@Popirnot No one is obligated to answer that. We all know you're too young with that kind of username
@@pluna3382 I'm 23 you ?
Edit: you also play fucking Honkai soooo you're opinion is invalid
I find it hard to feel sorry for people who were selfish enough to betray their spouse's trust and dumb enough to pay money for a website with 32 million men, 12 thousand women and 5,5 million "fembots", as Kira so aptly put it.
I'm sure the femboys weren't popular enough at the time to get bots. Lol
Hacker is a goddamn international hero.
I mean… that’s just men for you.
@@yup9451a hero? So you think all the spouses who cheated on were happy the world learned their partner cheated on them? Had their addresses and credit card information become public
I speak for everyone when i say we stand with the men
As the saying goes "absolutely nothing of value was lost."
lmao i was gonna say that
Not the people that died bro
@@Shazam123_don’t do something heinous like that and only think about the consequences afterwords.
Honestly no one would've been "victimized" if they weren't horrible people who were either trying to cheat, or trying to knowingly sleep with cheaters. Everyone who was exposed was definitely an awful person, and deserved it.
@@AlbinoLokiThats like saying slapping somebody and murder are equally as bad.
The cheater did severely harm his/her gf/bf and can easily destroy trust for years while the other person is just a stupid cunt, he/she doesn’t hurt anyone, cheaters gonna cheat anyway.
I signed up just out of curiosity. Never looked at profiles. Never chatted or tried to. Logged in once then forgot about it. Nothing ever came of it. But I wondered if anyone else did the same thing I did and got in big trouble
@@Caper1144if they didn’t buy any of the “credits” then the leaks shouldn’t reveal any personal information unless they are idiots who used their real name or emails to sign up
Yeah, they weren't really _"victimized"_ in the first place, they just had to face the consequences of their actions. And most people don't want to do that, so they cry victim. 🤷
I'm a greedy bisexual -- context, back before I was married I got tired of using okc to find a couple to date, it's all just "my bf wanted an open relationship but he can't get any dates so I'm only allowed to have gfs but he has to be in the room if we fool around BUT YOU CANNOT LOOK AT HIM OR I WILL CLAW YOUR EYES OUT BITCH" and everyone on fetlife is obese, covered in awful tattoos, is some kinda commie or is into something super weird like wearing diapers. So I looked at AM since it was billed as a polyamory dating site for a hot minute and it's like a worse, wrinklier okcupid/craigslist mutant lovechild. idk how anyone got dates through it, all the dudes take photos from under their chins and write "meet up at truck stop bring ur tits NO CONDOMS" in their bios and all the women are so freaking SAD "my hubby has been in a coma for ten years and i have cancer pls let me cry on u, no sex" lmfao. You'd think it'd be easy to find a couple to unicorn for but nah, they're all wackos or their pictures smell. My dreams of being the middle spoon while watching cspan went unfulfilled, alas.
This whole comment section is “Womp womp don’t cheat” and I am here for that shit
It's hilarious and deserved 🤣
@@niravsuvarna7198 facts
You said “ruining marriages” while showing a photo of Josh and Anna Duggar. Sadly, that woman has stood by her man’s side not only through the Ashley Madison fiasco, but also when he was sentenced to prison for child pron. He’s now locked up and she still refuses to leave him.
She should probably be investiagted then. If your spouse is exposed as a p*do and you refuse to leave them, then you’ve probably got some skeletons in your closet. And even if you don’t, you should at the very least be held as an accomplice to your spouse’s crime for your refusal to ditch them as soon as you found out they are a p*do.
@@eeveefan132she can’t leave she has 7 kids 1yr to like 9yrs and all her support network expects her to stay married. The woman doesn’t even have a high school diploma. Hell she doesn’t even have a 5th grade diploma. She has no way to feed herself or her kids.
@@laraantipova389 Oh, yeah, right, they’re quiverfulls. Okay, I will admit to that being a valid point, to an extent.
But generally though, I personal believe that PDF files should be legally barred from having any sort of contact with their families whatsoever. Leave the chomo to suffer alone for the rest of its life.
@@eeveefan132 i agree Josh is the worst. I hope Anna gets the strength to get an education and leave him some day
Some women are a crazy breed. I listen to true crime podcasts, and every famous serial killer had love letters sent to them while in prison...
Cheating comes with a risk of being exposed no matter how you choose to do it. The only victims in this scenario are the faithful partners.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
People gamble for that reason. Everyone knows the horrors of gambling addiction.
In short “Womp Womp dont cheat”
The cheating parent(s)' children are quite the victims too.
@@GaussTheWarframeWell fix the divorce court to not favor lazy parasites.
Maybe don't cheat on your spouse and allow a website access to private information that could ruin your marriage. If a giant corporation like Sony can be hacked, anyone can.
Exactly. It's sad, but unsurprising that so many men in the comments are more angry at the "professional catfish" (cuz shockingly the userbase was 98% male), than they are about all the spouses who got cheated on.
@@WobblesandBeanwhere
@@WobblesandBean Way more women cheat than men.
Every secret service around the world (the CIA, MI6, KGB, etc) have been hacked before. Every mega corporation has been hacked before.
There is no such thing as an unhackable site or server. If it’s connected to the internet, it’s hackable.
@@WobblesandBean I mean if you sort by newest then yea you'll see a shit ton of men defending not being loyal to your spouse but if you don't then you'll see most people defend being loyal to your spouse.
Politely disagreeing, they ruined their own lives by going on Ashley Madison rather than just doing the responsible thing in either breaking up with their partners or going to therapy.
Agreed. The hacker helped those people being cheated on. Cheating is inexcusable. No sympathy.
@@palp8623i woukdnt say the hacker "helped" anyone, they jad bad inte tions from the start and were out to be a dick, it just turns out that the people they were being a dick to happened to be conplete pieces of shit. Remove your personal feelings about cheating from the equation and your left with, someone violated other peoples privacy for personal gain, and honestly, do you think the partners of these people felt that their lives were better after this, do you think they felt helped?
The problem is some people have a kink specifically for cheating. They get way more aroused by knowing they're doing someone else behind their partner's back.
People also have SA kinks, my guy. But they’re still responsible if they act in those kinks and hurt someone. If that’s the case, they should seek therapy.
(Not that everyone who has kinks should seek therapy, just those with the kinds who hurt others)
The only people I feel bad for in this situation, are the actual victims. The husbands or wives that found out their spouse was cheating, and the children who's lives were torn apart because of the nasty divorces, or suicide of their parents. Neither ALM or it's users get any sympathy from me.
Edit: I have to add, I find it mind boggling ALM didn't suffer serious legal repercussions, and that after everything that happened, there are still people dumb enough to use the site. Just goes to show so many people don't care if their actions hurt the ones they claim to love.
it's extremely rare for companies to get seriously hit for the damage they do. fines are usually the main punishment & they're usually miniscule in comparison to the profits from the misbehaviour. (pull up a list of the biggest fines levvied to companies & then go have a peek at those firm's yearly turnover & it gets pretty bleak)
self-regulating industry is pretty much a myth. but interventionist govt is unpopular with the people who buy politicians, so there's generally little or no oversight & few repurcussions.
its almost like the legal system protects their own (jews)
i dont really see what ALM did wrong, other than get hacked
@@beatricepevensie So the making people pay money to talk to fake accounts, and making them pay money to completely delete their info, without actually doing so... Those are perfectly fine? They straight up scammed people.
I may not feel sympathy for those who got outed in the hack, but the company still did some shady ass shit that deserves to be punished.
I'm not sure I entirely understand what the hack included though. Did they expose a whole bunch of swingers, gay, and fat people from A&M's other dating sites?
Blaming a website for someone's infidelity is like blaming a liquor store on someone alcoholism.
I agree, the site alone was just a tool. I still think AM is disgusting for profiting from and enabling that behaviour, though. And scamming their customers (most of the women were allegedly bots).
@@lordfreerealestate8302 eh, if a person does something as immoral as cheating I really don't care if they're being scammed. These men lost any sympathy I might have had the instant they made the account or even had the thought of sincerely doing it.
The difference is, alcohol can be used moderately at a good level. Alcohol companies profit on excessive drinking, but their business does not entirely depend on excessive drinking to exist. A better analogy would be cigarette companies.
Obviously we can't blame the website for a person's infidelity (or a Liquor store for someone's alcoholism), but we can blame the distributor for making these two things so easily accessible to the average consumer.
@@lordfreerealestate8302yeah, it's better to look at this case as one of greedy con-men targeting scum for money getting what they deserve. Infidelity will exist with or without Ashley Madison, but those assholes sure did their best to exploit the shit outta its existence. They deserve as much shit as most of their customers are getting in these comments, if not more.
It's hard to feel bad for the people exposed from the hack
I don't pity them but that also doesn't mean I condone the leaks
I was on that list. I think with 2 different emails. Nothing ever came of it. I just signed up so I could see if it was real. Like was there really women in my neighbourhood looking to cheat? Again, nothing ever came of it, but I wondered how many other people signed up just to peek behind the curtain. If you wondered why I signed up with two emails, it’s because I think I signed up, looked around for 2 seconds and never logged in again. A year latter I think I had the same curiosity and signed up again forgetting I ever signed up a year before.
@@Caper1144is that what you told your wife? 😂
@@Haych_Q Pretty much
@Caper1144 you seem guilty, you've replied to multiple comments lol...are you trying to convince the viewers of this video or yourself?
I had a good, hearty laugh when this story broke. The logical disconnect of the people blaming the hackers for "ruining their relationship(s)" is so rich that it has to be bad for you to read.
"You asshole! You've exposed my desception!"
@@hyperion3145I think that was a line in Arrested Development - are you paying for a crime someone else...
Exposed?
This hack was taught to us in our cybersecurity lecture as it is considered a significant event in the young history of cybersecurity. It was one of the first big hacks that saw significant real-life consequences to human lives, including the deaths of a couple of people.
Yes it is very significant indeed. I am just interested in security, and this story is insane!
CS Major here, had to take a Cyber Ethics class in order to learn about this. It was actually crazy to learn about this
Did the hack have the direct consequences int he deaths of a couple of people, or did their own actions? If you are a pastor, a somewhat high-profile person among a local, but large bunch of people, what was your plan exactly when found out by someone local, with no hack involved? Was the hack responsible for Ashley Madison's failure to process the $19.99 to delete your data for good as promised, or did they just expose the greedy and scammy nature of Ashley Madison taking money and not actually deleting data which should have been gone - if not immediately, at least a few days after the 19.99 charge?
Not a couple, thousands
And no value was lost
The fact that they charge you $20 to remove your details proves this site doesn’t care about you, just as long as you make them money
They basically sign up to be extorted 😂
The fee is bad enough but they also lied about actually deleting it
The hacker is the hero in this story.
Don’t cheat, resolve your marriage or get a divorce
The hackers are scum too. Completely irresponsible act that resulted in suicides and financial blackmail, cheating is bad but they don't deserve death.
The hackers are just pretentious losers with faux morality.
Damn right!
I mean sure, lose half ur property, fight for custody for the kids, lose ur financial dependence, world isn't black and white. Cheating sucks a lot and devastates the partner but not all relationships/partners r built the same. But it's easy to say don't kill solve ur problems or just don't see that person again but at the end of the day u could pay car notes in the form of child support while somebody raises them or stick with ur wife unhappy af but u get to keep ur kids and grow with them (get counseling then) man u really thunk the world is that simple
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu Exactly. many people cheating are stuck in bad toxic relationships with lots of commitments they cannot break without causing huge problems, the biggest being ruining kids childhoods. They go out and find someone to have a good time with for once in their miserable lives and instantly they are evil? But these incel self-righteous hackers would never understand that and only see in black and white, cheaters bad must destroy!
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu Just getting a divorce is literally BETTER than cheating on your partner. As a person whose parent cheated on the other. Just leave the relationship -_- it's a lot less traumatizing than having to deal with your parents having custody of you every other year each(in my case). Which caused me some separation anxiety I still have now.
Men joining at higher rates after Father’s Day and women after Valentine’s is heartbreaking.
Tells you a lot about how all those 'sacred' relationships everyone's so mad about defending here were really going, doesn't it?
Makes you realize the gender difference in what's important to a typical man vs woman:
* man's problem: neither she nor the kids care about father's day
* woman's problem: he didn't take me out on valentine's
... THAT is what slaps you in the face.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I think a lot of people's relationships suck and they feel unfulfilled, but not badly enough to overcome their comfort zone and break up. It's still shitty to cheat before breaking up because it causes massive drama and heartache, it's wildly disrespectful.
@@bluegum6438why? If everyone would just adopt a hedonistic lifestyle, then everyone could be happy!
@@SGresponsemaking MASSIVE assumptions about the mens problem. Could be equally likely that men are reminded how bound they are by their commitments on fathers day.
one of my parents cheated on the other and the fact i have to hear them argue about it and yell at each other really makes me have zero sympathy for cheaters. behind each one of those profiles is most likely 1 or more kids whose development got irreversibly fucked up because one of their parents decided to cheat and got caught, and i’m just glad i only found out when i was 14-15 and was old enough to separate my life from my parent’s.
My parents divorced after my dad cheated on my mom.
And witnessing the emotional distress mom went through for many years and how it took her long to move on made me develop no sympathy for cheaters.
Oh, and on top of that my dad ended up cheating on some of his future partners as well.
@@voctur Your father is a narcissist sociopath
Boo boo. Irreversibly fucked up, huh? Hey guys, this kid had to listen to his parents fighting.
My mom learned my dad had been cheating on her for over a decade. She told everyone in the family (aunts, uncles, grandparents) on both side of his unfaithfulness, claiming she still loved him but was going to get a divorce. She didn't. It's been over 4 years since then and I wish my mom hadn't burdened me with such a great secret. Even now she dumps his past (or their current relationship) on me and I want to scream "THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL TOGETHER?!" I know it isn't easy to break up with someone you've been with for decades, but it's traumatized me. How? I have 2 younger brothers, (14 and 16 now) who are the only ones NOT TOLD the truth. I'm a terrible secret keeper and I see my family all the time. Parents are too cowardly to tell my brothers the truth, don't want to hurt them, but how is that fair to me? My brother's are so comfortable and happy whereas I've broken down on a train because the pressure is so much. Mom told me because I was an adult, her only daughter, and would take her side. And I did and do but she thinks she's the only one suffering. I've told her to stop telling me shit, but she can't help it. We all know someday the boys will learn the truth. And when they do I'm sure they'll feel betrayed. I know I'll be blamed too for keeping this from them, and it really really hurts. I can't watch movies or books supporting cheating at all. Even songs. It just makes me imagine my dad and his past "lovers" relationship and I can't handle how cheating is okay, how it's romantic if their SO is evil. So what? Be an adult and break up with SO before you become a piece of shit.
Sorry for the rant, I needed a release
@@EmpressGoldilockedthat’s misogynistic, “because you’re a girl it’s ok to ruin your mental health” and it’s a LIE. Tell your brothers. They didn’t tell them because they know a 14 and 16 year old boy will actually b3at your dad to a pulp. Your mom is afraid for your dad and that’s why she won’t tell your brothers. Tell them!
This hack was hilarious. The tastiest schadenfreude was all of the "family values" people who were caught using it.
as an atheist, i'm glad that christians are exposed for their "family values" - from the christian vlogger to the pastor.
i hate people using religion as a way to think they're better than you because they believe in the bible and its stories of a virgin girl giving birth, of one human man dying to save all of humanity from their sins. pfft. like the death of one man thousands of years ago dying on a cross will grant a story believer a ticket to heaven for cheating, adultery, sins. what logic is that?
It's always them. They project so hard
I would argue Ashley Madison also ruined normal dating sites. They did so many scummy things other then just promote themselves as the affair site, they made dating sites realize how easy it is to get vulnerable men to pay to use the site and make it flooded full of bots.
Yeah that's a really understated effect of this all. I don't know how bad it was beforehand, but I'm sure many how far and how successful they were with a model of bots and almost using "pay to play" tactics, then reconsidered their own model. Dating sites have a lot of issues and the apparent bot problem is pretty funny from the outside looking in but it's super worrying. They're not only making money off loneliness and a desire for connection, they're manufacturing it.
@@navonmyhand7999for all men it’s pay to play. Dating apps purposefully make it more difficult to even see your potential matches. It pushed people towards inceldom because they believe nobody finds them attractive when dating apps are not a good metric for that.
Vulnerable men?? Bruh wtf are you talking about. It’s common knowledge by now that you’re not talking to real women. If you pay for this shit they deserve to take your money for your stupidity 😂😂
@@navonmyhand7999 bots are widely used now and in countries where such activity isn't regulated you can see job posting for bot operators (they call it chat manager who helps girl to translate her chats real time). i doubt classic dating sites now have any real girls, and why should they? girls can earn with OF or more direct activities, it's not as profitable to scam men in dating app. and as for honest girls... why any real girl would want to mess with dating site? it's not like girls are having hard time to grab decent guy.
Vulnerable men? A lot of these men made the CHOICE to do something despicable, these are grown men with a fully developed brain. Let’s not pity them.
Or any man who empties his bank account on deplorable sites like this. In the US, there seems to be a narrative of men being the logical ones, the level headed ones, the ones who blame women for the degeneracy of the nation, especially now more than ever. Then how come at times like this, when these men make these horrible choices indicative of their decaying morals, are deemed to be victims?
Sites like this are everywhere and people all around the world use it. You are responsible for yourself. If the majority users are men, that shows the flaw in how men are brought up and the values they uphold as an adult. Since men have never been shamed for indulging in their sexual desires, it’s not surprise many of them don’t care for self control and their appetite is insatiable. It’s not normal, they know it. They just don’t care neither does anybody shake them for it. If the world shamed a man’s promiscuity as much as a woman’s, maybe we’d have more men with a backbone and an ounce of integrity. And instead, we got a generation of men with nothing but Madonna Whore Complex. Indulging in their desires excessively behind closed doors, and then publicly shaming sex workers. Not all men. But enough to make you question what’s wrong with your gender.
As a kid, seeing the commercials for this site on TV, it always confused me how the company thought that kind of open promotion was a good idea. You can't keep a secret that isn't really a secret. I mean, what would've stopped someone's wife from just searching the site for their husband's name ? People still paying into this site have to be even duller than the ones that were before the hack.
People don't use their real name ya dumbo. You can't just search lol...
This is the era of the internet run by tech inept adults. And we are slowly replacing them as they age out.
As for the hope of tech literacy, don't hold your breath for it. There's a lot of leadership who have yet to touch a machine.
i doubt many were using their names in their profiles ^^
@@sjs9698 I mean, they had to be for them to be exposed in the doc, right ? At the very least, the credit card charges would be a dead giveaway, too.
I was just thinking how odd it was that they had these commercials on regular TV back in the day. Could you imagine just seeing something like that today? People would be going nuts. I feel like it wasn't even seen as a big deal until this hack scandal happened.
Adulterers get what they deserve. You make betraying your marriage vows out to be a minor thing, where are your ethics?
Marriage vows lmfao anyone who still gets married is a clown, we aren't conservative tribesfolks anymore. xD
Agreed. Fuck cheaters
Why do you even believe that adultry is a major thing anyway?
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 if you don’t want to commit to somebody you can go have a relationship where that’s your understanding. Betraying a marriage vow where you commit to one another makes you a degenerate. I’m guessing you aren’t married
@@mythicalmeanderings People are made to have sex with lots of other people. There's a reason that the overwhelming majority of people experience a decrease in sexual satisfaction in long term relationships. Society has this fucked up notion that being in a relationship means that your partner owns your body, and it's incredibly unhealthy. There's a reason that most successful long-term marriages have a "don't ask don't tell" arrangement.
Imagine using your company email for an affairs site you created to organise your own affairs??? Some people really have it coming to them
Some used government emails too, like dang you wanna cheat so bad you'll pay a small fortune but you can't even create a new email for it?
Moreover, using your affair website you made and didn't put any cybersecurity on at all. If i was making a site i planned to use for shit i didn't want out my cybersecurity teams would be in fuckin lambourghinis
We need another wave of this lol. Publicly shaming cheaters should become a sport.
And make it a show lol
Found the person that’s been cheated on.
@@Generallyannoyed2024is that a flex or??? are u literally getting defensive about cheating??
@@Generallyannoyed2024 nah, I just understand that cheating is a major betrayal of the one you’re supposed to love the most.
No problem with that, just hope women are included!
Cheating will always happen with or without the internet but providing an internet site for that exact reason makes those people immoral in my opinion. Their motto is literally "Life is short. Have an affair."
Isn't it strange that national news made this relatively obscure website a household name? Is "shady dating site" really a news story, or did they have some other motive in promoting it?
Life gets even shorter when those cheaters bring home STDs to their unknowing spouses.
Immoral for profiting off of an existing and extremely common trend? Yeah, no. The only immoral person here is the hacker to broke the privacy of millions of people AND GOT PEOPLE KILLED.
@@Jimpiedepimpie Personally, I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they tried to create a moral panic over it. They knew that basic human psychology makes us attracted (by and large) to things we're not supposed to have or do.
"DON'T visit this shady website where you can easily cheat on your spouse!" - End result? A surge in traffic to said shady website.
It has the same ring as when the 1993 Assault Weapons Ban was being paraded around the media (because gun control totally works...), and suddenly people were flocking to get AR-15s or AK clones before the ban was put into effect. Gun owners who didn't even *know* they could legally purchase AR-15s, AKs, and similar firearms were trading in hunting rifles to get one.
Same thing, you tell people they *CAN'T* have something, and by God they will suddenly decide that is what they want right NOW!
@Jimpiedepimpie I don't think this needs a conspiracy. Racy and crazy stories get clicks, views and heated discussion. Everything daytime television wants from their audience, just also what AshleyMadison wanted from the public conscience to spread word.
“I know it’s selfish, but I don’t want to lose my kids in a divorce.”
Well, your kids don’t want you to betray them and their mother, so… 🤷♂️🤷♀️
@username172good.
@username172 so ... two wrongs make a right?
@@advancedomegaif you’re putting your kids in a situation that could cause years of trauma, you probably shouldn’t have them. unhappy marriages, difficult divorces, and more things like that are one of the top causes of childhood trauma
@@mr.bingusthecat Wait, I AM PUTTING MY KIDS? Those cheaters put their kids in that kind of position.
I don't think you understand how custody works. Just because they cheated doesn't mean they don't have the right to see their kid. Wether the kid wants to see them or not, it's a legal thing not a moral thing
It's wild seeing some of the rationale behind cheaters refusing to leave their spouses. Imagine spending more effort and money on having an affair rather than improving your relationship.
TBH with the way Ashely Madison works in their pay scheme, it's wild to me that it's not just classified as an online brothel.
What?? Im sure there were plenty of women making money using that site. But they weren’t getting money from the losers that signed up to cheat.
This is a fantastic lesson in data safety: the only way that your information is safe from hacks or legal action is to not provide it in the first place. This has been seen with Glassdoor, Reddit, RUclips DMCA abuse as well.
You legally can’t avoid giving info in some circumstances, but it’s always a good idea to be thoughtful about who you give it to.
and it couldnt have have happened to a better site.
anything that enables spousal cheating should be immediately distrusted b ydefault: after all you are trsuting another entity with information you don't want to out: this is an irresponsible amount ot power to give to a 3rd party and one does not feel sorry the inevitable happened.
just be a good person. if you are, your information is worth nothing.
You should see what Google is doing with your data.
@@g3ntl323 Not even close to true, advertising companies, and probably scammers, will buy the data of anyone they can. I've stopped using my real info unless I absolutely have to, like with legal stuff. But, it irritates me that the little bit of info I had online when I was a kid was probably sold to someone and I didn't get a penny for it.
@@Teixas666 A lot of these men were in sexless marriages, and so got the double whammy of trying to pay for sex and being blackmailed when they failed. The deeper societal story is there are an awful lot of married men who really shouldn't have gotten married or if they did they should be divorced in order to have moral-free sex with others.
One wonders what would happen if a married man announced he's not getting any and so he's searching for a mistress. The honestly of it all.
AM Cheaters: "That's not fair, it's supposed to be confidential!!!"
Also AM Cheaters: Gives all their personal info to a company that allows tons of people to access said info.
Thats why you read the Terms of Service.
That's why you should never be dumb enough to give all your money and details! Making a switch for your own back 🙄
This video should have been called "The Ashley Madison Affair". I feel like this was a missed opportunity.
If you ask yourself, "What is the worse possible thing that could happen?" and the answer is "My life being left in total ruins"...
Don't. FUCKING. Do. It.
Motorcycle goes vrooooooom though.
it's incredible how many things this advice applies to, and applies to correctly. this should be a PSA all over the place, but they'd never do that, since it would inadvertently drive military recruitment rates down.
@@gur262 yes
I don't think I could ever feel bad for people becoming the victims of the consequences of their own actions. Don't wanna be shamed for cheating? Don't cheat. Simple as that.
I can feel sympathy that their cheating website cheated them out of their money to delete their account. It just gets washed over immediately by how poetic it all coincidentally is.
What’s amazing to me is how many people signed up AFTER the hack
I guess a lot of guys think with their small head instead of their big head.
They're both small heads in those cases.
Welcome to men, lol.
no no, it actually makes sense. It's like how people travel to areas that have recently been victim to terror attacks. It's cheaper and much safer since security will be much higher. It certainly doesn't make it right though.
How could people trust a site that had “pass1234” as a password for highly sensitive user data lmao
@@WobblesandBean nah we dont claim em. those kinda people are called simps. normal men like me can control that head easy
I hate that Biderman cast critics as prudes. I don't care what you get up to if you're single, or there's an explicit and equal agreement within an arrangement, but cheating is cruel. I've been on the receiving end, and it caused me serious psychological harm.
How can you take that douchebag seriously? The minute I heard he's in a long-term monogamous marriage I knew he was up to no good personally. That wife who stuck by him needs her head examined.
It's crazy how many "family values people" turned out to use this site to cheat on their spouses. It's just hypocrisy. Cheat on your partner and then blame and accuse others of being unfaithful.
They need to keep up the appearances in order to be able to sell whatever they're selling. It's all about money, status or control. That's why you should never take people as role models only at face value.
It's typical Republican logic - look at all the Republicans that push anti-lgbt agendas, then get caught in cheap motel rooms with 18 year old boys 😂
(Often caught with 15 or 17 year old children - but that's them being pedophiles, and not gay. Hell, look at Gaetz paying underage girls for sex over Venmo and labeling it as "textbooks")
Not to mention the one's who say they just had a "wide stance" and weren't cruising.
Republicans are the most twisted and backwards illogical people ever.
Those kind of people just hate themselves alot. I also noticed that people who were fat at some point also hate the most on fat people, they just seem to see themselves in those people.
It's like when staunchly homophobic, anti gay rights politicians and ALT Right tik tokers are caught on Grindr. The one's who scream the loudest...
Because the truth is that "family values people" are usually very fake people. They are the people who will speak sweetly to you while judging you for things they are guilty of as well. They would rather live their life with extreme cognitive dissonance rather than change and face themselves.
Hacking Ashley Madison is just pulling back the curtain on the unfaithful... with data theft and revealing company fraud on the side.
I always say if someone telling the truth about you is ruining your life, you ruined your own life by doing whatever the secret was. We all make choices we regret that are embarrassing but blaming people for simply exposing the truth is denial of that responsibility.
People got stoned to death
I mean, that is kinda bs. It would be like saying that the French resistance members ruined their lives for not bending their knee to the nazis. Or Anne Frank ruined her life by being a jew. I know it's an absurd extent, but your stance seems really focused on the absolute, so it's important to distance it from everyday reality and think of cases where the truth is hidden out of necessity, where you can't actually change or get out of a situation. Which, naturally, is not the case for the vast majority of cases shown. It's just that, in a world where marriage is often a material and almost comercial relationship, we cannot assume it's so easy either.
@@LuizAlexPhoenixthose people did technically ruin their lives, the difference is that it was for a good cause. A person should get the honor for their honorable decisions/actions, and the dishonor for their dishonorable actions. You call marriage “commercial”, but it is still an oath. If your word means that little, that’s a you problem. And I’m sorry you see it that way, but many people are truly in love and committed. To be cheated on would feel like one of the most painful betrayals. Some people can be in a committed marriage and give decades of their life to someone who has been betraying them for decades. We all have to live with the consequences of decisions we make.
@@LuizAlexPhoenixThe difference is the French didn’t choose to be invaded. Anne Frank didn’t choose to be Jewish. These people made the conscious decision to PAY to be a cheater.
@@Popirnotgood
"Well Trevor, welcome to your worst f***ing nightmare" is so badass lol
I read that in Michael’s voice from GTA five
@@EnclaveOfficer1776I love you
Ashley Madison didn't ruin anyone's lives, nor did the hacker. The people ruined their own lives; they just got found out. I for one have zero sympathy for people that suffer the consequences of their own bad decisions.
Well there were non-married gay people using the site to find each other in countries were being gay is punishable by death. I’d say their lives were pretty ruined. The hackers could have redacted users real location data or take out users who live in countries were being revealed would die but I guess they deserved it for choosing to be born there lol
@@WeiYinChan Yeah that's fucked up, they probably didn't know about such laws or forgot about them. Do you know if anyone got executed because of the leak?
@@darth3261I don't think there are any confirmed cases (not that those countries would be super open and transparent about the people they oppress) but if you search you can find posts from 2015 when the list came out that some people are seeking advice to flee their countries online because they are worried they would be executed if they are outed in places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
It's just important to know that a lot of people who signed up on Ashley Madison did so because it's promised to be secure and discreet, not all of them are adulterers. There are even cases of people signing up because they suspected their spouses were cheating and wanted to see if they can catch them on the site. And of course the website never deletes user data so now they are in the cheater list even though they were victims. This kind of wide-net approach of exposing everyone created a lot of collateral damages.
But if it weren't ever found out, nothing would have changed. It's not morally right, but logically what's said is true
@@darth3261 two reported deaths by suicide were direct responses to the leak, in canada. in a country which criminalized homosexuality, of course they wouldn't report the deaths of gay people whom they killed or committed suicide. i get hating cheaters, but don't give the hackers the benefit of the doubt. They knew they were risking lives by releasing the personal info and i hope they feel some guilt.
I say good on the hacker. Getting cheated on is one of the worst emotional pains I have ever felt, and cheaters do not learn. They may genuinely love you, but they do not believe you deserve to be let in enough to discuss their true feelings. That, and many cheaters actually get off to the risk of getting caught, which means they know the consequences are bad.
What does it feel like?
Hurt feelings = Its fine to violate peoples privacy for lols. I love the 2020's /s
@@tickledeggzcheaters don't deserve any privacy.
@@tickledeggz Simplifying cheating down to hurt feelings = demonstrating just how smooth your brain can go.
@@immuneimmunity9212i mean yes it’s a breach of privacy but it’s not a big deal, subhuman filth were the ones who got burned so it’s all good in my eyes
Biggest fuck around and find out moment for people wanting to use a cheating app
literally fuck around lol
@infovids5048 If it aint broke, don't fix it I guess.
Literally
You know all of us in that leak weren't the cheating party, right? I was just on the site as a single kid in my late 20's... Plenty of people who were cheating wanted that attention from me.
We ALL didn't deserve to be doxxed like we were. Think about it: I wasn't cheating on anyone.
@@mason96575 I am not saying that you deserved to be doxxed, but don't act as if you are innocent if you engage with someone to help them cheat on their partner.
Whenever Id see ads for Ashley Madison, I always thought it was a joke. Always reminded me of the ads in GTA's in game websites.
I had an Ashley Madison account. I didn't care, though, because I was neither married nor in a relationship... and i was 15. jokes on the hacker.
Dang how did you explain that to your parents
You forget that these databases are still floating around though
And now your information is out there forever. I hope you were smart enough to make everything fake and didn’t use your real name
@@yender6468you wouldn't, somethings parents don't need to know
@@Moony1568He would've had to, if he was actually 15. Not to mention that your average person won't know how to access those files, anyway, since they weren't dropped on the surface web. Most of the people affected were big names in entertainment or government because that's who the people on the dark web were looking for.
Maybe the hacker(s) only said they were former ALM employees to throw people off the scent. Maybe they learned through their hacking that there was an unstable, antagonistic employee at the company on whom investigators would naturally focus first.
TBF, if Pass1234 was really the password. Not exactly hard to guess.
I'm thinking the guy who killed himself was a 4chan user, and gave others on the site the passwords/information, and told them to set him up as a red herring.
@@tewiinaba6810 Interesting!
A lack of a clear motive besides determination to see ALM get destroyed, and botched delivery of data files, does either point to a disgruntled employee or a devout/autistic religious man.
not sure where K got the idea they were employees: afaik in hacking terminology 'inside' doesn't mean employees, it means 'have access to', saying 'we've been inside for XX' is just claiming that you've had unlimited access for a long period.
Moral of the story: If you're gonna cheat - and you probably shouldn't - don't leave a paper trail.
Lots of Ashley Madison users coping in this comments section. Seeing some people defend infidelity is wild and pretty eye opening
Quite staggering.
Likely the same people who will say sex work is real work.
... no? @@lucascoval828
@@lucascoval828 A lot of people seem to not grasp the idea that work should create value for society, instead believing that any work that produces money is automatically valuable
@@lucascoval828 I mean....it sure as he'll ain't easy. Lol
Whoever The hacker is was the true hero in this story helping people to realize their partners are selfish.
Fun fact is that in several states in the USA it is actually illegal to cheat on your spouse. I actually heard of several men (and a few women) in a state I used to live in that had pretty strict adultery laws who lost everything and a few that ended up in crippling debt due to the hack because their spouses divorced them and hit them with the full extent of the law. And what was the punishment of adultery in that state at the time? 10k per *each instance of adultery* that could be proved. Lets just say some had to pay a lot and that was taken into account after finances of a couple were split, not before, so the full brunt of the cost was solely on the cheater. It wasn't good for them, that's for sure...
Damn, that's actually nice to hear.
In Alaska it is illegal to whisper in someone's ear while they are moose hunting.
So what?
@@abloogywoogywoothey explained? Did you read the first sentence and then give up? Or are you just illiterate?
@@abloogywoogywoo ...Just because it's legal in some states, doesn't make it any less illegal in the states where it is outlawed? I legitimately don't get the point of your comment
@@matthewr6148 the fact that the whole world isn't America should not be confusing you.
I want internet security but it is so hard to feel sorry for these unfaithful degenerates.
I feel bad for the kids to be honest
Your best security is using fake info. If I were to use shady sites like this, I'd just spoof everything. You can even do that with credit cards nowadays.
I remember seeing these commercials pop up when I was a teen. And I remember feeling so sad. Sad that they promoted cheating, but also sad to realize that cheating is a common norm. It's devastating😢
cheating is only a norm nowadays due to the social manipulations morally-bankrupt oligarchs like the guy who founded this exact company. it's _because_ of the promotion of these sorts of things that it's become like this.
@@the-letter_scheating has been the norm for a long time.
I love watch documentaries about Internet related events and drama because it shows how clueless we still are and that there is so much more behind the clean-looking few frontpage websites that everybody uses.
Very well-made video, would love to watch more about Internet mysteries!
you can look up stuff about the darkweb but things get highly disturbing extraordinarily fast.
That being said, it's tough to tell what's real or not, but a fun rabbit hole to dive into
I mean anyone with even basic internet knowledge understands how even just browsing the internet without using a no logs VPN (and even with some VPNs who claim to be nologs) is giving up your data to multiple different entities tracking what you do and where you go, and if you make any kind of account or enter an email address, you're giving a LOT of information and potential access into your life whether you want to or not.
Peoples' first mistake is to assume a fancy presentation means that these companies have your data well protected, which it doesn't. We've seen this numerous times over, like Facebook storing passwords unencrypted in plain text files, or Ring doorbell letting employees access cameras through email lookup with no permissions needed. And yet people think these services (streaming, storage, etc.) are the future.
@@NateTheScot You're logged in to your google account, your vpn is meaningless. It's funny how people think a vpn is some magical protection, while doing nothing about their browsing habits.
@@NateTheScot Yeah, even the VPNs aren't all that fail-proof, lol. 😂I could've sworn one of the popular ones in RUclips sponsorships got hacked a couple years back iirc. The only way to be fully secure is to destroy your computer and never use one again. 🤣🤣
You know, if you make and promote a websits that's based around immoral, dishonest degeneracy, you're basically asking to be hacked or get something worse. It's like a scammer flashing their expensive cars, only to get attacked or outright merced by the victims of their acts.
If only the world really worked like that. If it did, I don't think we would be in this objectively bad situation that can be easily be stopped if we wanted to.
The fact that you can't tell which horrible thing I'm referring to means we are fucked. There's too many of them and people like money.
Problem is, is causing deaths the same as or worse than degeneracy.
We're on a slippery slope now.
Yeah. Also the company was the type to cheap out of the cybersecurity too.
it's "murked" but I agree
Really great video!
Hearing cheaters treated as victims was a bit bothering though. They aren't people who made 1 mistake on impulse.
Cheating isn't a mistake. People have to decide they still want to cheat every step of the way. In this case, they even had to continue spending money to cheat. These people knew full well what they were doing, and every one deserves to be exposed.
Being cheated on can mess a person up for life. Everyone should know who around them is a cheater so they can avoid potential hurt in the future too/
Agreed, the act of cheating is a conscious and continuous decision. If they wanted an open relationship, should’ve discussed it with their spouse first
You really need to hate somebody to cheat on them. The emotional devastation, splitting up your family unit, exposure to diseases...cheating is a deliberate act of hate because of the emotional and physical harm it causes. For someone to do that to a person they claim to love...nah, that ain't love.
You know all of us in that leak weren't the cheating party, right? I was just on the site as a single kid in my late 20's... Plenty of people who were cheating wanted that attention from me.
We ALL didn't deserve to be doxxed like we were. Think about it: I wasn't cheating on anyone.
That's like if your bf cheats on you with someone else and you burning down that other person's house. They weren't cheating- your bf was.
Not at the cost of lives.
Because being doxxed for personal shit is cool
this is the type of scandal/scam i LOVE to see 😭 the company facilitating cheating is destroyed and the losers who decided to cheat get exposed. EVERYONE WINS !
Except the cheaters (Disapointingly the company continues operation to this day) which is a massive W
as someone whos been cheated on its nice to hear that the cheaters are getting what they deserve. their families, the REAL victims, never deserved what happened to them and i feel no remorse for someone getting their karma for cheating.
While it does suck for the people caught in the crossfire, don't sympathize with them about getting caught up in this. Cheating is one of the worst things you could ever do to an unsuspecting person who loves you. I always hated the fact that website exists and while I wont take joy in these people's suffering, I won't shed any tears over it, either.
Idk if they were in the crossfire. They had their hand in its existence.
@@LaserStorm117 I can't take it that far, the tool only exists because there is a demand for its existence, and while that may be a bit reductive, I can't blame them for using the site even though I do think it makes them bad people.
Seriously though, to anybody out there that is thinking about cheating--leave your relationship if it's not working out for you, just don't take the cowards path and inflict a life long wound on someone because you don't want to take a cold shower.
@@LaserStorm117 Oh, one last thing that is also worth considering: some portion of these people, who were essentially doxed, will have realized the error of their ways gone on to live better lives.
It's probably a pretty small %, given today's culture, but people can and sometimes do change their lives around and it's important that as a society we continue to allow people the chance to correct their mistakes, lest we all be damned for our pasts.
@@coreysayre1376 , but that's what I was saying: its existence was predicated on their use. If they didn't use it, it wouldn't exist. People that cheat and facilitate cheating are all shit in my eyes. Focusing on profits over morals is anti-human behavior, too.
Can we blame them? Idk, depends on what the call is.
I totally agree with you, though. If you're unsatisfied with your relationship, don't hurt someone that way because you're too craven to leave.
@@coreysayre1376, absolutely agree with that as well. People definitely are allowed to make mistakes and change. Good people can still do bad things, and bad people can still do good things.
The fucked up part is that in Saudi Arabia, if the man of the cheating couple has even an iota of wealth or power, it’ll only be the woman in the affair who is stoned to death 🙄
Hold on hold on... BOTH the cheater and cheated on are sentenced to death??? Or is your comment about both cheaters?
@@localkate i think they mean the man and the woman he cheated with, not the person he cheated on
Not sure though
@@violet7773 Ah, alright. That'd make the most sense out of that but you never know lol
That’s because sharia law is misogynistic.
A dishonest company, making dishonest money off dishonest men, a poetic masterpiece.
It wasn't just men using the site. Women used it too. Dishonest partners in general are evil, it doesn't matter if they are a man or woman.
of course you exempt women of any responsibility.
@@Metrocop1376 95% of the women using it were bots though lol. The vast majority of male users were genuine.
@@spht9ng Site was male-oriented, but the sheer amount of bots that were female doesn't change that the female clientele were numerous. Just outnumbered by the sheer number of bots acting like real women. Prolly a 60/40 split with bots taking up 50% of the overall "traffic".
@@stephenjenkins7971 Except if you actually watched the video... it plainly states that there were only 12,000 active non-bot women accounts out of the 37million.
"The only real victims are the ones who trusted the website with their privacy"
Lol no thats their own fault for doing this dirty stuff
Your the guy who throws the rock at the harlots after Jesus says "he without sin cast the first stone" huh?
@@stevenclark1662is he wrong tho?
@@wut-dah_7212 is he wrong that they played stupid games and won stupid prizes? Not at all.
But there is surely a handful of people swept up in this that had their lives ruined for something they'd already worked out with their SO.
If the leaders were REALLY doing it for altruistic reasons, they would not have done it this way. The leaders did commit a crime, and all those who were leaked ARE victims of that crime. Certainly not the "only real victims" though.
"Leakers"
Not leaders
@@stevenclark1662 if they already worked it out with the person who matters, how did their lives get ruined?
Fun fact, the hackers could outright admit to it, and won't get punished. The statute of limitations passed for there cybercrimes.
Oh man this thing lolol. My family member got caught. He said he never met with anyone because the women on there were are all sex workers of course. His wife forgave him.
"Oh honey... I thought you'd SUCCESSFULLY cheated on me, but now that I can see you tried to cheat on me and failed, I forgive you completely!"
And some people say women can't be cucked...
@@StoutShakoI never understood that statement especially with how many women I've seen both inside and outside work still stay with men who are cheating assholes.
@@Pooky1991 Probably abused or low self esteem. It happens to men too. It’s sad, and I understand how insecurity makes people settle for bs, but at the same time yeah people need to wake up and say enough is enough, and gtfo. Stop giving chances to cheaters who don’t deserve it.
I remember seeing ads for this site and thought it was your typical scam site that just stole your credit card info. The slogan "Lifes short, have an affair" seemed too much like a satire to be real.
I never heard that the perpetrator was never caught. Thanks for following up on this. I constantly wonder about old news stories like this that just randomly disappear from the zeitgeist.
Good.
23:00 saying perpetrator is woman just cuz they described men as cheating dirtbags is wild, guys could say it, too
No, the attack was personal. No ransom, and stopped after the CEO.stepped down? Screams wrong woman scorned to me
This is one of the very few occasions that I would praise the black hats for leaking sensitive data archive. Well done, The Impact Team. It was a perfectly placed UNO reverse card to those scumbags being disrespectful to their own partners who gave them the highest level of trust.
i love how different the behaviour of Will Harrison and Team Impact are. Will Harrison threatened, Taunted and put his face to basically everything he did, Team Impact appeared, made a threat, released the data when ingored, then vanished without ever seeking any sort of bragging.
I say a woman was at the heart of Team Impact. The attack was personal
My ex only ever used Ashley Madison and I didn’t find out why that was until she decided one boyfriend wasn’t enough and attached two more to our relationship without me knowing. Careful the fish you catch in the seas, some have parasites inside just as badly as those with them outside.
Birds of a feather flock together
I never know what diverse topics I'd never think I'd be interested in until a KiraTV video comes out. BTW I looked up Josh Duggar's wife out of curiosity and, yes, she's still married to him, still supports him, lives on the family's compound and is still devoted to their cult.
If she didnt do any of that i have no doubt they would make her homeless and take away her way too many kids from her. The damn town that compound is in kisses the duggar's ass.
@@Kris-wo4pj💯
@@Kris-wo4pj I'm pretty sure she married him after the accusations came out from his sisters, though
She has nowhere else to go. That damn cult makes sure to give them 0 education and marry them off young.
This was probably one of the best video essays I’ve seen in a while. Had no idea this event even occurred. Had my full attention start to finish :)
The fact that people signed up with their government emails is just so baffling to me. Just make a throwaway Gmail geez. I don't condone these lowlifes and I'm glad they were dumb enough to do that and get exposed, but wow, have some common sense.
AM was banking (literally) on people being that dumb.
The fact there was only 12,000 legit female profiles is astonishing. Probably the most shocking thing to me. I can't imagine after the breach there was a bunch of women lining up to sign up. At that ratio, now with 60 million users, maybe there's 20,000 females, which is 0.03%. There's like 3000 men for each real woman. Good luck boys! (edited because percentage to ratio calculation is too hard for my tiny tiny brain)
At 20,000 women (leaving 59,980,000 men) that makes for 59,980,000/20,000 = 2999 men per woman. Even better!
Edit: Missed the part where there were 7 million fake woman accounts. That makes 52,980,000/20,000 = 2649 men per woman.
Soooo tinder ratios.
why? attractive women who want affairs who either are single or already married can do it without a website
@@toomanyaccounts Exactly. I keep trying to tell this fact to my gf, that she could go up to a random guy... ANY guy, and cheat. If I did that, I'd catch a charge, or get slapped, or laughed at, or all three. She refuses to believe that though. Or she knows, and is just trying to make me feel better lol.
@@handuo6301 There were 7 million fake woman accounts when there was 34 million users. Who knows what that's at now that there's 60 million.
As someone who was cheated on multiple times, it's hard to feel sorry for their names and conversations being leaked, but addresses, credit card info, and nude photos cross the line for me. No one is deserving of being DDOS'd and becoming a victim of theft, fraud, or revenge porn. As he said, "like us or not, this is still a criminal act"
Yeah the nudes is what REALLLY stood out to me, I don't care if they were on a cheating site, that's not an ok thing to do.
I mean, they dropped only 10% of all the data, presumably leaving most of the conversations and pictures out of the releases. They did leak the other stuff, but as far as I can tell not much in the way of pictures, which I presume would be the majority of a 300GB data package from a website like that.
A hacker doesn't "DDoS" someone to get information. Literally the only thing that DDoS'ing does is make servers overwhelmed.
I'm probably in the minority but nudes being leaked is the risk you take if you keep them online. I don't know why anyone expects they'll remain private. Literally buy a camera and print them out, then delete the digital copies. It's not that hard.
Well this is all why a prudent person wouldn’t send naked pictures to someone they barely know while also being married. Expect bad things to eventually come back around when your engaging in bad behavior. It’s just much easier to live a clean honest life.
I agree with you but it’s just ALL bad. Play in the devils’s playground and this what happens. I don’t support any of it or wish for bad things to happen to bad people etc…. I’m just pointing out that these are the type of things that happen when you’re playing with fire.
😭😭 kira is being nice, what do you mean caught in a crossfire they signed up to be caught these people should have known better than to go on to cheat on their loved ones. 13:05
They fucked around and found out XD
Crossfire as in they weren't the hackers main target, just leverage.
@lukebytes5366 because they were clearly innocent bystanders? They were part of the crime. If I go on a site reporting that I murdered someone, and the company got targeted, I'm still guilty of my actions and just got exposed for them. There is no sympathy for them.
I remember when it came out that some of the users registered using their work emails. Some of those were in fields that required years of secondary and post secondary education. One would think someone with a job like that wouldn't do something that idiotic, but I digress.
Intelligence and Wisdom are two different stats, even in real life.
@@captainsavvy07
Exactly! Sad how few people realise this.
15:41
I'm laughing my ass off at someone using the password "fatcowiswhathecallsme"
That hacker deserves a trophy and a cookie, a damn good cookie.
If I had a nickle for everytime Josh Douger came up in a video not specifically about his crimes or family recently I would have 10 cents. It isn’t much, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice
People hate traditional families and big traditional families. Anything they can do to ruin it they will.
His new charges are so much worse
I think he's in prison now
Worse than molesting his own sisters?!
The ironic part of this story is these men really thought they were talking to real women…. The cost of cheating is wiiiild! Just should’ve never done it especially on a website that is so open to the public!
The people who got exposed aren't victims. They got what they deserved. The real victims are the spouses who got cheated on, and the kids who were caught in the middle of this storm. None of them deserved this, the cheating, the lies, and the way it was all exposed. I hope that they dumped the cheaters, took the kids, and got far away. If not all of them, at least most of them.
It's disgusting a website like this even exists for such an expressly evil purpose. I hope it goes down some day.
Good on the people who hacked the site. The people who cheated on their spouses ruined their lives, and they should be exposed.
I think it was a lot more personal than that. I think that douche of a former CEO really underestimated a woman he had a fling with...
Anyone who signed up too a dating website that states “life is short, have an affair” deserves to be caught!
People definitely ruin their own relationships and marriages...THEY got exactly what they sign up for plus more 🤷🏾♀️
Special mention to John Barilaro aka "Bruz", my country's (Australia's) deputy premier at the time, who got caught cheating no less than 4 times while using Ashley Madison's "services". And the best part...his username was "johnlovestolick". Truly an Aussie icon!
It's funny how he's known internationally only by the word "Bruz." I don't know if it's the same thing there, but the only people in the US know about him as the guy who hates being called "Bruz"
FriendlyJordies?
@@tailnowag8753 Ya, bruz!
I didn't hear about Giovanni on Ashley Madison but I do recall him being paid to stay home from work and feel sorry for himself. And various assault allegations against him. He's a walking powder keg with a massive chip on his shoulders.
I read "cheating" and thought this video was going to be about gaming. Im happy my brain associates cheating with video games rather than human relationships but wtf lol
Keep in mind that cheaters ruin their own lives by cheating...
16:08“Josh Duggar’s actions couldn’t be excused and NO ONE would dare to defend this monster”
Evangelical Christians: “allow us to introduce ourselves…”
I have not met one Christian who defended that dude ....
I usually don’t support hackers and people who steal data, BUT I’m this case, I’m going to give them props for using their powers for good.
The best thing was the Duggar landslide that followed.
Seeing that the Duggar parents go on a transphobic rant and trying to say their son is not a pdf file on public TV
I wonder what the Duggar parents are saying now when all that stuff happened
Can you elaborate? Id like to look into it
@@Runk3lsmcdougal here's a Duggar family documentary buddy
ruclips.net/video/iycpDvXYnIo/видео.html
@@Runk3lsmcdougalI believe the father was discovered to use the site.
Making the situation worse, I believe the family are Christian fundamentalists, so being faithful to each other is considered extremely important no matter what (including abuse), and divorce under almost any circumstances is a big no-no (even when facing certain types of abuses).
@@Runk3lsmcdougal One of the adult children in that family's hyper-Christian cult would regularly sexually abuse his little sisters, and his parents defended him and shielded him from facing any punishment for his actions. He largely got away with it and now has kids of his own... Including daughters. 😬
I do believe he went to prison for something unrelated later, though, so at least there's that.
some dude: soaks himself in kerosene and holds a lit blowtorch a couple inches from his clothing
some other dude: pushes the blowtorch slightly toward the guy's clothes, instantly igniting him
some dude: HEY THAT GUY LIT ME ON FIRE
basically
Lets be real: the only victims are the people who got cheated on. The men on this site are NOT victims. They willingly participated. They cant be called victims and you shouldn’t excuse their hand in the situation so easily tbh.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But in the context of what's talked about, it's just in relation to the criminal act by the hackers that they're called victims. But neither are they criminals from a legal standpoint, unless if you're a Saudi lol. I wonder what happened with those guys
Women did this too tho..
@@about10ninjas According to the numbers in the video. Less than 0.05% of the users were women. That number is so small it may as well be a statistical anomaly. Sure there were some women obviously but it was almost entirely a men's site. "Women did this too" can almost be fallacy and whattaboutism. It's not even like disproportionately men, it may as well be all men. That's like 300 women to every MILLION men. Do you see how skewed that ratio is?
@@about10ninjas
They get a free pass for some reason.
Those are the rules.
Apparently.
Putting ANY blame on the hacker is an absolutely SHIT take. The hacker didn't do anything to ruin people's lives and relationships. The people choosing to cheat did it to themselves/their partners. The people who decided to cheat are not "victims" here...
By every single dictionary decision and every colloquial use of the word "victim", they are in fact victims. You can say "oh they deserved it", but that changes nothing about the fact they were the victims of a crime. And by saying "the hacker has no blame" is hilarious in a sentence about anyone else's take, since hacking someone's secure server is a crime. Publishing personal identifying information is a crime. So yeah, the hacker has the blame of... committing crimes and creating victims of said crimes.
Morality is irrelevant to who is or isn't a victim of a crime. Unless you're using a new definition of "victim", which would be odd. I'm comfortable with my "take", since it's based on pretty easily understood uses of words.
@@KiraTV1it was a good video. strand you’re ground, u right
Even assuming you’re correct, the husbands, wives, and children who were put directly in harms way by a cheating family member are still victims.
Damn, imagine having to list "got outed as a cheater on Ashley Madison" in your security clearance investigations
I’d be grateful to have my partner’s infidelity brought to life. There’s something particularly terrifying about finding out the person you’ve been sleeping next to for years, you’ve been planning your future alongside, you love with all your heart and soul…is not the person you thought they were. Been there. Still there, trying to secretly get out.
And I’m still very afraid.