LIGHTNING PREVENTION//Preventing A Lightning Strike On A Sailboat-Episode 114
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2023
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Craziest RUclips lighting strike was on Plukky. Its a must see and a lesson on taking action in an extreme situation.
Saw that on sailing Zingaro
I hope Parley are watching!
😂 hopfully he watches it twice 😂😂
@@jnjentinc It wouldn't of helped parlay during the last strike. At least one other boat anchored near parlay received a side strike from parlay. If parlay wouldn't of got hit the other boat likely would of and parlay would of received the side strike.
You're ASSuming that these devices work and there are many science based reverse engineering FACTS that say they do not work. But take the pizza truck guys "sage wisdom". You people are absolute fools.
I really hope that Ty and Colin @parlayrevival are able to catch up at the boat show and talk lightening after parlay was hit for the second time. You explained it throughly and I really hope it gives you all peace of mind for your sailing adventures
I was in a marina in northern Florida many years ago on a 32' charter mono. We had a spectacular and scary thunder storm come right overhead with deafening thunder. In the morning we found out a yacht a few docks over had been sunk from a direct lightning strike that blew a hole in the bottom of the hull. This is scary stuff and as Parley found out, very expensive. This device seems to be the solution! Thanks Ty, and glad to see your subscribers growing as they should be!
Wow Ty that was interesting. I like how you always describe and have all the information about the products you are installing on the boat. Very informative.
Colin and Jamie are attending the Miami Boat Show. I hope you and he can trade thoughts on this product. As a precaution, I would add locktite to prevent the set screws from backing out. Thanks for sharing 👍.
Thanks for the interesting and informative post. I’ve just recently started watching you and a few other sailing channels. Great job on the boat resurrection! I ‘Captained’ a couple big aluminum semi-subs in Grand Cayman for about 5 yrs and was amazed they never got hit by lightning. And here’s your gratuitous comment for the algorithms
Very informational and enlightening!!
LOL Delightening!
Really interesting presentation on lighting and what to use to give piece of mind during a lighting storm.
Thank you for sharing. SV Gone with the Wynns covered lightning strikes today & someone mentioned your channel in the comments. Safe travels ❤️
Great Video
Learned a lot ❤
Poor Colin. Yay Dauntless.
Great stuff Ty.
Carry on crew.
I’m a little surprised they don’t call for some penetrox where the grounding wire connects to the device ( penetrox = oxide inhibiting compound)
Sounds like an amazing product!
Great presentation!
This sounds very interesting , Watching this space with interest 😃🍻
nice work team
Really good information Ty 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting. Definitely going to do some research on this. Been watching Colin and the Parley crew replace all of their stuff...for the second time! That sucks! Colin made mention (and I think he is right) that you cannot ground a true lightening strike. I mean we all learned from Dr. Brown, a lightening strike is 1.21 gigawatts...right? You can't ground 1.21 gigawatts on a sailboat, it's not a stainless steel DeLorean😉. But if what I understand from Ty about this system, it isn't grounding or attempting to ground the strike, instead it is neutralizing your charge so you don't attract the strike in the first place. That actually sounds doable. Being an all steel boat, Seeker should really look into this I would think. Thanks for the info Ty!
You got it!
Gratuitous comment to satisfy the gratuitous algorithm.
Thanks for showing this. Might look toward my home.
Sure thing they work everywhere
I know a guy on a 45 ft cabin cruiser live aboard, Tampa Bay erea lightning capital
of USA, it has a massive super structure and a solar farm on top all that, here in the gulf of Mexico a few miles from my house, he is surrounded by water a mile or more water on all sides no other vessels. He said, the first thing he did was ungrounded everything 14 years later not a single hit.
This is an interesting peice of equipment.
I think your statement: "if the 'cure' costs less than the insurance deductible" , makes it ' a must have item' for anyone who sails overnight ! Good information ! Thanks
Dinnteco I believe in spain is the most prominent one, the cost ranges from 6-10k. The thing you should ask is what insurance comes with the device, some offer 100k coverage for any damaged devices from result of a strike.
Top notch
we installed one on an amel 55 that has now crossed the atlantic ocean here at sopromar lagos portugal
Certsinly hoping this works for your boat after all the hard work! Especially with all your electric. Nothing is 100% as you say, but this device sounds wonderful! I’ve list several palm trees ti lightning and you are right, one got hit but then the charge jumped sideways to the adjacent tree and they both died. Maybe the truck is to never be in a marina during a lightning storm? Well, at least avoid it when possible 🙏
You're killing me smalls, I am so looking forward to seeing you transform that 50.
It’s coming!
Thank you for this. I have been wondering what this was since your first hint of it. Now it is on the list of things I am going to have when I can finally get a boat of my own. Lightning is one of those things that nature can throw at you that you never see coming. Sure you can see the lightning around you but you never know when you will get hit.
You are so welcome!
My insurance cost went stupid a couple years ago, even though I took my boat out of Florida and now summer below the hurricane zone. I couldn't justify writing that check every year, but I was concerned about lightning. So for half the cost of the insurance premium, I bought a CMCE from EMP. Now I'm happy to self insure knowing my cat is extremely unlikely to get hit.
Great presentation and installation! I'm just starting my install, would you describe what you did under the water line as far as how many plates and locations? Thanks
Single plate below the shortest/most direct path from the mast to the water. A single plate is sufficient on monohulls or cats that do not fly a hull.
Thanks to your video, I found this device and have since done a great deal of research and have just placed an order for a CMCE from ECM solutions. Thank yall for sharing!
That’s awesome, what are you putting in on?
@SailingDauntless I'm putting it on my 1978 Iwrin 42 ketch. Funny I bought the boat for only 15,000 and am spending half the cost of the boat just on this one device but it is WELL worth the cost to protect from the danger of a strike.
Agreed, are you installing it yourself?
Thanks for the information. I will let you know how my install goes. Maybe you will get to see it in Annapolis.
Can't wait!
It only makes sense to do this. It’s not just the money. It’s safety. If you get hit while cruising, you are pretty much screwed. It may take months to get your equipment replaced.. and you may have to sail hundreds of miles without engines, chart plotter, gps units, radios, etc. Not a good place to be in. The motor for your bilge pumps?
🔥🔥🔥
Everyone go tell Colin about these.
👍☑🏝👏 Pretty amazing. Tks
Thanks Ty, how do you protect your electronics from an EMP from a lightning strike outside your protected area? I have wondered could boat manufacturers put material in the hull layup to create a faraday cage to protect the electronics inside?
So far the plan is just to stay away from everybody else during a storm
Ty, looks like great suff.
But if it works as you described, I bet it will have an effect to the VHF.
And because you put that heatshrink on the antenna rod I would advise you to check if the antenna is still working on the right frequency range after you put up the mast. Heatshrink can affect the antenna behavior because it typically is combined with carbon to color it black.
Just my two cents as Amateur Radio Operator.
Otherwise, please continue with your technical videos, I love how you work through your challanges!
Cheers
Marc
Thanks for the tip!
Thank you for all your great videos. I am watching all of them several times. I did not hear about lightning protection that works before. But can you tell which type you installed on your Leo 50?
We actually used the land version but they work the same
Appears to be a great product for a direct lightening strike on the mast. How is it deployed to to prevent the effects of a nearby, stray lightning strike. Lightening can carry 100 million to billion volts.
Ty, send this info to Colin on Parley....
Hey Ty, can you point us to some independent research that proves this works? My insurance broker says they can't find that they work.
Hello, I have a 47ft fibreglass sailboat with aluminum mast. The lead keel is covered by fibreglass. I plan to install a copper grounding plate on the outer surface of the hull. How should I connect the plate to the mast? What material, what size? Finally, the plate will be about 50 cm below waterline and about 150 cm away from the mast. To connect the two, the metal rod or cable would have a vertical U shape. Do you see a problem with this? Thank you so much.
Thanks for the deep description. What is the reason you installed the land version instead of the marine version (apart from the price difference)? :)
Availability when we ordered and we were not concerned about the extra weight
Love your video, i'm recommending this to our customer which owns a marine FSO vessel. Tell me, what size of grounding wire would fit/requirement for a CMCE-diamond and platinum models. Thanks.
It is typically based on length of the conductor. For 100’ I ran 1/0 (and that was overkill)
Have ya told Parlay about this...?
I really want to saw one of those in half to see how it’s made. I’m wondering if just increasing the surface area would work.
Do these units have an expected useful life? Do they need to be replaced after so many years? Thanks for video, very informative!!
The only maintenance this this style of unit would be clearing cobwebs, cleaning salt depostis etc but these are a sealed unit a long way from salt water (relative to fresh water rain).
They basically employ a smooth surface ( this deionises, pointy stuff attracts lighning/ionises btw) and air capacitance between a couple of the sections. So no maintenance to the actual unit but id regularly be going over the electrical conections to make sure they are low resistance. Ie, fresh conductive grease, tight connection and the like
Ok now that you have the EMP unit on the Mast and soon on the boat why not Contact your Insurance Company and ask if they will discount your policy as you have taken part of the risk away from them???????????????????????????. Just thinking that all lol.
How do you complete the ground to water with this system? Thanks!
The unit is connected to a grounding plate under water
If its made off metal up in the Air and grounded I cannot see how it Cannot
attract Lighting
Very interesting. Looking at their web page it looks like you are putting on a LAND solution as opposed to MARINE solution. Why is that?
I wasn’t concerned about the extra weight and the lab unit was in stock when I ordered mine.
I actually priced the CMCE-55 Platinum today which is the model they recommend for our 51ft cat. $10,000!!! Yikes!
??? From who? The unit is thousands less than that.
Really appreciate this. How many have been installed to date??
I believe it is 9-10k units
I have one, and the only time lightning has come anywhere near my boat is when I was hauled out so the device was no longer grounded to the seawater. Next haul out I might make a ground rod to connect to because we had a few close ones in Trinidad.
Great job and informations.
Thanks for watching!
If this is a prevention device, and not a grounding device, then why is there a large gage grounding wire being run from it down the mast?
Because the device drains current, it need a connection to earth/ground to deposit the ionization
Went to EMP's site to research (also found Sertec's site to learn more from the manufacture) and I notice that you appear to have what EMP Solutions lists as a "land solution". The "land" variant is different or appears different in that they all seem to have 4 metal balls under the primary metal dome...the CMCEs listed as "Marine Solutions" don't have the smaller metal balls. This beg the question(s) why did you get what is categorized as a land solution? Why do the land solutions have the 4 metal balls and the marine solutions don't? And lastly what do the 4 balls do?
They do the same thing, but the land unit was available when I ordered mine. And I was not concerned about the additional few pounds of weight.
The small balls i strongly suspect are mostly an extention of the pain spherical surfaces function. Smooth curved surfaces perform the deionising function. Id sumise the top and bottom half of the main sphere are electrically isolated and form a capacitor, the lower section of which is grounded through the boat, the 4 smaller spheres and the disk below them form a second deionising surface and a second capacitor.
You can google teslas original patent but bear in mind some of the meanings of english words have changed over the last 100 yrs, telsa had a tendency to put superfluous information in patents or omit information as a secondary form of protection of his intellectual property so some knowlege of electronics/physics can be handy.
I am little bit skeptical. How can this device dissipate the charge when the surrounding water is also charged?
This might be a little above my pay grade, but I believe, although they are charged similarly the boat/ground structure has a higher potential due to additional friction and elevation than the ground or water around it
Tesla’s ideas/plans are still being applied today! Hopefully more of the emp/surge protectors for near strikes become more common.
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The only for sure way I know to prevent electrical damage on your boat from mast lightning strikes is to dissipate the charges on the mast. Thus avoiding the development of the lightning channel between the cloud and your mast. Different words, same fix you pointed out.
Or keep listening to the many old yacht club mummies that insist there is no way. I have license to speak like that because I'm an old yacht club mummy.
Exactly!
@@SailingDauntless Better of explaining this concept to my Grandkids. They all left high school knowing how electricity works. The electrons will need to flow from the negative to the positive through a conductor. When there is a path that goes from the negative to the positive you have a circuit. Whether you are using a battery, a fuel cell or a solar cell to produce electricity, things are always the same: Every circuit, especially the very complex ones in my parallel drives want to have at a certain voltage. Introduce a higher voltage into any of those circuits and you going to be hating life. Pricey, but stopping the mast from being a conductor is the only solution today for mast lightning strikes.
Does it work for campers and caravans?
Yes, and buildings also.
@@SailingDauntless thanks 👍
Do the insurance companies give you a discount if you install this 🤔
I’m not sure but they are recommended by A.I.G. On their large exposure policies
Being the extremely cheap person I am, why take Tesla’s plans to a machine shop and just have it made? Take the cost of materials, about 10 hours a machine time at $200 p/hr, then double that for a wholesale price, and double it again for retail and you still end up way under what this company is charging for its product. I didn’t read where they offer a guarantee to cover the cost of repairs should you get hit by lightning, or did I overlook it? If that was offered, I could understand the price. Trust me, I hate the fact that the older I get, the cheaper I get. I just can’t justify a 10x markup or more for any product once you know how it’s made.
Uhh,, your Tesla batteries are playing with fire,,, literally!!! Sell them and go with say two 24 volt pack in parallel. That should cover your power needs more safely!
Please advise us you are promoting a product BEFORE recommending it. Thanks
Would hope this would earn you a discount on your insurance.
Someday hopefully, for now it is piece of mind and hopefully no insurance claims
@@SailingDauntless Be a great question to ask the insurance brokers. Could be one of those discounts you only get if you ask.
I guess you are worried about your hair standing up. :)
How do you prevent lightning? You don't. You CAN'T. All you can do is keep it from doing damage by giving it an easy way to the ground (or into the water).
Ok………. But I think that Nikola Tesla and the Panama Canal might disagree. 🤷♂️
Guaranteed 100% failproof 1 step method to precenting a lightning strike
Step 1. Anchor between parley and sailing to freedom. Chill. Lol
You can't prevent lightning, the end. Lol
Are you wearing gay watch?
Interesting,...Colin on Parlay needs one of these after 3 strikes, lol