Tyler needs to do what is best to save his shows. The writers should have watched all of his shows so that they could see what the characters were doing, what their personalities were, and also so that they could stay the course where they had the best ratings at. And yes, everybody is sick and tired of the Zach and Karen baby drama.
Thing is Tyler would not change the baby daddy drama portion of the show. He started that storyline. People complained back then when he was the only writer. The ratings went down once everyone learned about the paternity of Karen’s twins.
@1.0.2.4 I am not sure if Tyler would have gone with writing Zac as the daddy. If you remember, everything was pointing towards the possibility of Karen making up the fact that Zac was the dad, so Tyler could have twisted it that they found out that the twins were really Aaron's even though Karen was creating records to say it was Zac.
I have made it Crystal clear a number of times my main reason for not watching Sistas anymore is everything that was done to Zac's character S7. The way he was written to disregard Fatima, berating her in the hospital IN FRONT of his ex, saying dumb shit like "I put two of them in there" and much more. They really took a sledgehammer to Zac and to this day I want to know. They promised us a explanation for why Zac HAD to be regressed to that extent, we never got it. Fatima being a bodyguard, it is so clear in the writing that they don't like Fatima's character that's how *I feel about it personally. They went out of their way to write nothing but hurt for Fatima all S7 where Zac and that pregnancy was concerned, when they finally let her go to law school they wrote for her to fail her test when it's always been evident that Fatima is extremely smart. And on top of all that, writing S7 as if Fatima was Zac's mistress that stole him away from that pregnant woman, writing the show as if Fatima is equally responsible for the drama between her and that pregnant woman it was beyond too much. Look at what they've done to Zac in S8. Now he is a stay at home dad and the SHOW has given us absolutely no explanation for why, and for anyone who says we know why. The actors should not give us motivation for why their characters are doing things in bts footage, it needs to be in the writing. It still has not been written on screen why he is a stay at home dad. Zac and Fatima don't even have their own storylines anymore. They are used as pawns to keep dreadful stories relevant. Like all their discussions in 7B being about that baby and now in S8 every single conversation has been about Gary. They don't even talk about how their day went anymore, we don't see them in the kitchen, talking about supper, and making supper non of that. I'm gonna keep bringing up the one person who tweeted and said it feels like these writers took this writing gig to humble Zac and Fatima, well that need to humble that has caused Sistas a lot of ratings. Because whether people wanna admit this or not Fatima and Zac are the draw to the show. The two of them are the sole reason why I started watching Sistas when I saw their fan videos on RUclips. You don't come onto a show and write the favourite characters into the ground. No you attempt to bring all the other characters up to the level of those who are already loved. But making Zac that woman's baby daddy was a HUGE mistake and unless they find a way to undo that, those ratings are gonna stay in the trash. Zatima fans have made it clear since S3 that they would stop watching Sistas if Zac is the father of that baby.
You said a mouth full and yes they trashed Zac and Fatima’s character and yes they gon have to do a lot of changes to get the ratings back up especially with Zac and Fatima’s characters because they’re the reason most of us watch Sista’s but the way the writers been going with Zac and Fatima storyline is ridiculous and I hate it 😡😡
@@Msshashad who are the they because a lot of what you are talking about was Tyler Perry and not the new writers. Zac disrespected Fatima in season 6 when he left her to go and see about Karen at the salon fire. Zac sent mixed signals to Karen spending time with Karen at the salon and promising to fix the salon while Fatima did all of the foot work to get the emergency hearing for little Mikey’s custody hearing. Zac even told Preston that Fatima was gonna have to get over how Fatima was feeling left out when Preston brought it to Zac’s attention. On Zatima where Tyler Perry is the sole writer, Zac told Fatima to leave the hospital and Fatima came back to find Zac in Connie, his ex’s arms. He told Fatima to get out of their house and so on and on. This was all Tyler Perry’s writing. Not the new writers. The new writers did not become involved in the writing of Sistas until the writing of season 7 and they don’t write at all for Zatima. Seasons 1-6 were all Tyler Perry including horrible seasons 5-6. But Tyler Perry had been destroying Zac and Fatima with this long drawn out pregnancy of over 4 years. Zac and Fatima don’t have their own storyline because Karen wouldn’t have a storyline without being connected to Zac and Fatima. So they are connected by the hip to secure Ebony’s character Karen. And yes Fatima is Zac’s body guard curtesy of Tyler Perry’s writing. Since the beginning of their relationship Fatima has supported Zac but it has become more like a mother’s protection than his girl. Also curtesy of Mr. Perry.
In the beginning I put in posts to new writer Jamey that the writers need to do their homework meaning they needed to take the time to watch every episode of Sistas beginning with S1Ep1. It was a mistake in S7 to abruptly bring in Jordan, Tony, Rich as love interests for Andi, Danni and Sabrina. The introduction of Penelope as Gary's pregnant fiancee made no sense either in season 7. Why was this done. What was the purpose of the guy at the salon who became Pam's love interest. Karen having twins with one of the babies being Zac is so outrageous. Why did Sabrina start to get baby fever suddenly. When Tyler hired new writers Sistas went straight to hell. They ignored previous ongoing storylines. The focus went away from Sabrina, Andi, Karen, Danni, Zac and Fatima
@margaretbrown9934 it was a mistake to bring in new writers in an already established but poorly written show in season 7 and expect the new writers to be miracle workers. Everyone had already been complaining for years for Tyler Perry to incorporate writing help and he does it in the 7th season after a disastrous season 6. What should have happened is Sistas should have concluded in season 6 and the new writers should have been allow free reign of their own creative ideas and freedom with a new show for Sistas , either a prequel or sequel to help the viewership get a better understanding of the characters and why they are how they are or in a sequel have them move on with their lives
I don’t understand how yall come to the show SISTAS for Zac and Fatima when they have their ZATIMA🙄 yall kill me..the show went down hill once the show wasn’t focusing on the women of the show anymore. Yall mad at fictional characters can’t even type KARENS name it take way more time to write out the pregnant lady 😩🤣
All the Queens Men is the best show Tyler has out now. Eva is amazing in her role ND she carries that show. I can never get enough of All the Queens Men.
I agree Tyler Perry messed up because he took too long to find the writers he's been writing a show for so long when the new writers came in they got rid of certain characters
@@Tiajones333 they even made Tamera Hayden girlfriend again they didn’t even acknowledge that they got married then why they have to have Fatima get pushed on the ground what was the point of that action never understood that part then the two babies daddies why they made it that Karen had to have some kind of ties too Zac
We told you that if they continue to let Fatima get called out her name and make Zach the father of Karen’s baby we are going to stop watching and that’s exactly what happened
Well, I (for one) am so excited that he is addressing the issue. Yes, we wanted him to hire writers for the series, and his expectations were high- The reality is people probably wanted to write from their perspective of how they wanted to show to go and not the natural progression. I’ll tell you one thing have me on your podcast. The next time you go live with fans of the show.. I’m ready!
The writers have not been able to capture, Tyler Perry’s writing style or unique, or be a voice of how Tyler Perry create these characters. The writers are sadly failing. Really failing. That bite. 24:0524:0524:05
It’s funny. You sound just like Tyler Perry. When people began telling him that he needed help with his writing, which he has been told that FOR YEARS, Tyler Perry’s reply was as he resisted getting help, Tyler Perry said (phrasing) that he wasn’t gonna hire any writers because his fans have to hear his voice. He said that he had tried having other writers but his fans couldn’t hear his voice so he wasn’t gonna hire any writers. His voice is the stereotypical stereotypes that he present in his projects of the weak minded, poor decision making, insecure, dependent, abused, traumatized, down trodden stuck woman and that abusive, dominant, harsh, cheating, womanizing man with drama, drama, drama and no one is EVER happy. I think the new writers have definitely been coached well.
@@dawnwalton1099Spot on. Cause why are people acting like we didn't demand a writing room because Tyler Perry writing sucked ? It's unfortunate the writers are making the show worse but let's not act Tyler was doing a better job. His characters prior to the change were stagnant, no growth. Storylines went no where.
@redrose1070429 thank you and now everything is still consistent with Tyler Perry’s poor writing and his poor storytelling which are predictable that lacks creativity and imagination. It’s like he cuts and paste from his previous episodes or projects and fits them in. And yet we are supposed to believe that the new writers who are well seasoned professionals writers just all of a sudden forgot how to write and became poor writers for Sistas.
I don't believe that TP is hands off with these shows, you can tell he's put his thumb on some of those story lines, and you can tell. They need to stop being unrealistic and make these scenarios make sense. There is no way that Tyler let those writers give Karen two baby daddies at the same time. I just don't believe it. I think those writers are being scapegoats. ATQM is a perfect example, Christian Keyes wrote the fist season and it was fire, when Tyler too over it's been going downhill ever since.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. These new writers are seasoned experienced writers and you mean to tell me that all of a sudden they stopped knowing how to write and are making the same ridiculous mistakes that Tyler Perry is KNOWN for. Look at Zatima who Tyler Perry writes for and then look at Sistas and you see the same inconsistencies, errors and repetitious mistakes. Please Tyler Perry is scapegoating those writers to attempt to shut people up about him being a bad writer. But who’s he gonna blame for Mea Culpa, Divorce in the Black and a bunch more?? He is using this to say see I told yall it wasn’t me it was you. But I don’t buy it for one minute.
That season TP wrote was terrible. I've enjoyed the first 3 episodes of All The Queen's Men this season. It's been 3 different writers and they wrote similar to Christian Keyes.
Thank you for saying this. I always thought he meant to make them scapegoats for the trash he knew we'd get. His hand is all in this. I am sure he changes everything they do to make it something that he would have written. I agree with @DawnWalton1099 that this is to make us hush about his bad writing. I've not watched the show in forever at this point and refuse to pay attention to his other projects since we are too much of a high brow negro to know how these images he portrays have us looking, know what a bad/dragged out/repetitive story line looks like, or to know what good writing looks and sounds like. He just does not like constructive feedback and its hard to deal with people like that
I think it’s a dual problem going on here. The new writers have not watched Seasons 2-6 of the show before writing Season 7. But the failure of Sistas is mainly on Tyler from Season 3-6 of Sistas. The writing was awful. So Tyler can’t say it’s exclusively the new writers. The new writers are just matching the quality of what Tyler established. And most of what he wrote is not good.
@@blue_wolfproductions12 Exactly. The new writers are seasoned professionals. So what did the new writers do, forget how to create good material. That sounds ridiculous considering the new writers have written for their own shows as well as other people’s shows aside from Tyler Perry. Yet somehow they are now writing in a writing style that resembles Tyler Perry’s poor writing. That doesn’t even make sense. The new writers are nothing more than scapegoats to shut the mouths of Tyler Perry’s critics who have said that he needs writing help. They are being used to prove to those critics that Tyler Perry is the better writer for his shows and have people stop saying that he needs help with his writing because now he can say he tried incorporating writing help and his show got worse when the new writers are following Tyler Perry’s coaching
Whether Tyler writing was bad he kept it interesting don’t sistas would have never gotten to a million people to watch Tyler just never gave details in his story writing the who what when and where
Whether Tyler writing was bad he kept it interesting don’t sistas would have never gotten to a million people to watch Tyler just never gave details in his story writing the who what when and where
THEY NEED TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, ZACS BROTHER SUPPOSED TO BE RECOVERING IN THE HOSPITAL, BUT HE DIED, THEN GARY SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AND HE'S RECOVERING FULLY
And guess what??? Tyler Perry writes Zatima with Zac’s brother and the new writer are writing for Sistas about Gary yet both of these scenarios are very much alike, so much so that it feels almost like both shows are written by the same person. JS
I wouldnt say that. That is a big difference in Zatima and Sistas. Zatima seems more detailed and gets into the background of the characters. On Zatima, we see azac being his loving self and then changing. We see what triggered him to spazz out. We didnt have to guess. We see an actual breakup where Fatima is holding him accountable and making him pay. We see real convos between them. On sistas, you have to assume and guess why hes being an asshole and we only know his background because its mentioned somewhat. His characters seems to have regressed and become annoying. No boundaries with Karen just totally different. Zatima is def a better product. Im not sure where the righters are trying to go with any of the characters. They should go back and rewatch why and what made the show become a hit. Do better with Andi. Shes regressed. Do something with Danni, she has regressed and hasnt grown at all. Sabrina is just Sabrina. She needs better material. Zac and Fatima need to go back to what made them fan favorites and why the ratings skyrocketed once they became a couple. Karen hasnt necessarily regressed but sheesh get her a man, and why did she have to be pregnant by both men. Why not have it the same way, but it turns out to be both of Aarons babies. Let her move on and have those babies already. Zac and Fatima, whats taking so long on their pregnancy. Are we supposed to believe that shes pregnant and her and Zac are the only ones who know, yet we have yet to see a scene where Zac is excited and rubbing her belly, or is it one of those things where we have to assume and then go back and watch zatima to know what happened. @dawnwalton1099
@@robertwiggins5907 you do realize that Tyler Perry wrote 6 of the 8 seasons of Sistas. If he did so much in Zatima as you explained why didn’t he do the same on Sistas. He has time to write Zac loving on Zatima instead of Zac flip flopping on Sistas why didn’t he? The way Zac acted after finding out that Karen was alive at the salon fire was ridiculous and very dis respectful to Fatima. That was Tyler Perry’s writing. Zac sending mixed messages to Karen after the fire was Tyler Perry’s writing. Andi staying with Gary after he abused her. Yup Tyler Perry write that too. What about karen being pregnant for 4 years. That’s Tyler Perry’s MO with him writing pregnancies. Malik‘s wife on House of Payne was pregnant almost as long as Karen is and Tyler Perry wrote them both. And there was never any real back story for any of the main characters on Sistas. In fact the only one of the main character’s that seems to have any relationship with family members is Karen. The girls on Sistas have been stuck in the same place with the same predicaments involving the same people while having the same conversations about the same things since season 1 under Tyler Perry’s writing. So to blame the new writer, who are only new to Sistas but not new to writing is crazy. They are only doing what they are coached to do. You mean to tell me that the new seasoned professional writers some who have written their own shows somehow forgot how to write now that they are writing for Sistas but they wrote for others and themselves successfully. I call scapegoating to have Tyler Perry’s critics shut their mouths about his poor writing and show that he is the better writer for his own shows.
I personally think Tyler sabotaged the writers for Sistas so he can say see I'm not the issue. He is still in control and controlling at the end of the day.
As a writer I would love to write for Sistas it’s my favorite show and I have a deep connection to the characters. Maybe one day it’ll happen!🦋 But I also love your videos!
Because it's a totally different universe and that's how we have to watch it. Watch Zatima as if Sistas doesn't exist because the minute you start trying to put the puzzle together and timelines, it's not going to add up example: zatima doesn't mention Karen's babies too much. They make it seem like it's unknown, yet they are engaged, mom dies, brother issues. Sistas he has a child living with him now, one of Karen's babies is his, they engaged but never showed it. Plus Zatima she's pregnant, yet on sistas she hasn't mentioned it.
To be honest when it comes to this show he took too long to get new writers you're not supposed to take that long to get new writers when it's a couple of seasons are because it's going to feel like a different show
@@Tiajones333 he wouldn’t be able to have the new writers blamed for the show if he had them earlier. Who do you know of has new writers come in in season 7 of a show and expect it to go well. Tyler Perry just want to shut people’s mouths up about him being such a bad writer that he’s willing to have the new writers blamed for his work that he is coaching the new writers to write. How in the world did seasoned writers come into Sistas and forget how to write even though some of them have written their own shows? They have to be coached through what is wanted. If Tyler Perry wanted to strengthen the Sistas project with good writing he should have ended Sistas at season 6 and let the new writers create a sequel or prequel to Sistas. This would have allowed the new writers artistic creativity and imagination for the show while giving the fan base a new storyline to follow about the characters. A prequel to let us know how they became who they are or a sequel to follow the main characters through therapy as they develop and grow. But to follow in the path of Tyler Perry’s 6 seasons of a mess was just plain scapegoating these new writers
Season seven was a heart pill to swallow taking in the fact that they totally regressed Zack‘s character and they’re continuing to even do it in season eight. Not to mention. What they’ve done with Fatima‘s character as well. And let’s not get started on what they’re doing with Andy Sheesh it’s becoming painful. I tell you, it was some point!! They made Andy so weak. Could she get weaker??? I mean anytime well Fidel is probably not the main character but in any case she’s a character nonetheless. Can haul off and slap you in your own home. And you not do anything about it. And it sounds like, now they’re trying to make Karen‘s character a better character, well that might not be too bad. But man, they totally dismantled. Zack‘s character, and Andy, who gets the worst of it all. Just my thoughts. I guess somebody’s gotta take one for the team. 24:0524:05
I agree they let Zack character depress especially with Karen!! He love Fatima let’s get back to that!! I know too, that Fatima too is pregnant but let her continue to be her!! Not this push over chick not her character!!! Especially being from a family of Madams lol
Fatima should have been the lawyer Andy.is.weak she can't even stand up for herself she has let Gary disrespect her in the worst way and Danni has become weak also
The writers have not been able to capture, Tyler Perry’s writing style or unique, or be a voice of how Tyler Perry create these characters. The writers are sadly failing. Really failing. That bite. 24:0524:05
The full intention was to have the blame for this show being in the predicament it is in was to fault the new writers which if anyone knows Tyler Perry’s work can see Tyler Perry’s fingerprints are still all over Sistas writing. Either Tyler Perry is still writing the scripts or he is coaching the writers room but Tyler Perry is still very much involved in the writing of Sistas and more than just directing. The new writers were brought in to be scapegoat to have everyone complain about how awful the new writers are as though Tyler Perry’s writing was any better. People couldn’t wait for the new writers to come in thinking they would breathe fresh air into this lifeless show but all they are doing is in following Tyler Perry’s footsteps. People have a misconception that these new writers are new to the game but they are seasoned writers some who have written their own shows. So why would seasoned writers that have written so well for other project do so horribly for Tyler Perry AND with the SAME writing style and errors that Tyler Perry has presented in ALL of his work. The repetitious storylines and storytelling. No nuance, details or depth for the characters. No balance or blending, things just run on and on. Not to mention no character development but LOTs of regression in the characters. And this same style is reflected in Zatima who by the way Tyler Perry is the sole writer for the show. No one can fault the new writers for these girls who has always acted like middle schoolers that are stuck in the same place with the same predicaments involving the same people while having the same conversations about the same things SINCE season 1 and that was ALL Tyler Perry writing up until season 6. Remember the writing couldn’t have been that great with so many people wanting Tyler Perry to have a writers room. The fact that the new writers are scapegoats is to shut Tyler Perry’s naw sayers up so that people would stop talking about his bad writing and have someone else to blame. With people being convinced that the new writers aren’t seasoned experienced writers with good creativity and imagination who are being coached through a stagnated bad show and limiting their creative juices; this allows Tyler Perry’s horrible writing to look better and be requested to return. Which is just what Tyler Perry wants. To shut the mouths of those who have been truthful about his need for help,and real artistic support who won’t be stifled. It’s not the new writers fault that’s why they have kept those opens going trying to give yall hints. But believe what you want.
It's definitely ONE BAND, ONE SOUND when it comes to all the writers, TP included. Instructions should have been given and followed. As well as mandatory viewing of previous seasons. Jamey Giddens wrote on Ambitions which was a great series and I had high expectations for Sistas because of him alone. Both seasons of Ambitions are better than all 8 seasons of Sistas.
Instructions are given and followed because they are writing from Tyler Perry’s coaching and playbook. No way could these good seasoned writers just suddenly forget how to write or become bad writers just for one show. These are seasoned writers who have worked on other projects that were good so how did they become so bad for Sistas. It makes absolutely no sense other than the new writers are Tyler Perry’s scapegoats to shut people’s mouths and stop people from saying how bad Tyler Perry’s writing is. He now has proof so to speak that there are others worse than he is. Or so we are supposedly led to believe but the writes are not doing this on their own. Tyler Perry is still in control. His fingerprints of dragging storylines and storytelling lingers. His repetitious mistakes and errors familiar to Tyler Perry’s writing are still there, And the lack of balance, nuance and depth are still lacking. The new writers are there to take the fall but who is Tyler Perry gonna blame for Mea Culpa and Divorce in the Black and the bunch of other bad writing he has done.
I disagree. TP love it or hate it have also created bangers. His writing is not the worst however, I can see the show taking a direction TP would have never taking. His stories are always deeper.
@Samy-yh4yl you are surely entitled to your opinion. For me there is no way the new writers who are seasoned experienced professional writers who have written for other people’s projects and some have written for their own shows have somehow forgotten how to write good material but instead make the same mistakes, errors and poor quality similar to Mr. Perry’s. After all they were supposedly hired to improve the show so why follow the same footsteps when that wasn’t working for the past 6 seasons prior to their hire. It doesn’t make sense to write something like Gary’s storyline of obsession with Andi and have it drag like most of Tyler Perry’s storytelling e.g. Karen’s pregnancy on Sista and Lisa’s on House of Payne dragging just to mention one example
I'm so disappointed with the direction Sistas has gone, I started binge watching right before season five and loved the show but saw the difference early on in season six, I planned my day being ready to watch the show on Wednesday nights, but not so much with season seven and eight, I'm skipping weeks then going back to watch, only to realize I haven't missed much, my opinion only, the story lines grew a little dark, like with the rapid change in Gary, Andi the brilliant lawyer becoming a weak sapling, taking the humor out of Dani, breaking her and Preston up and shoving her into a bland relationship, Fatima and Zac facing one disaster after the next and so on. I may just give up on Sistas if this mid-season finale is not good.
Plus I do not like The Three Stooges Jordan rich and I forgot the guy name that's with Danny and some of the new characters they got when I say new they have not been on the show for a lot of seasons and there's some other people they need to get off the show Penelope needs to go the guy that's working for Gary Tamara can be on another show as a main cast member and there's some other stuff and some other people
I did not watch last season due to Crazy Gary’s character having The Worst Script ever. He’s committed several crimes, broken several laws, yet he’s not being held accountable. Great actor that needs a better storyline, or possibly a more serious show, and not anywhere near Andi. Andi is too Dumb and weak. How can she possibly be a good Lawyer if she can’t speak up for herself. With Crazy Gary’s physical and mental abuse and Broke Karen dogging her. She’s more believable as a stockroom clerk or any job that does not require a brain. Over-sexed, pothead Dani will speak up for herself. She doesn’t make wise decisions with her life and has horrible selection in men. Bitter Karen has carried babies for what feels like five years. The two, possibly more dads are crazy. Great actress, with a terrible storyline. Questionable Sabrina meets a man, now she wants a baby. She was “normal” until this poor judgement. Hopefully, Mr. Perry can breathe life back into this show. He needs to concentrate on ending characters, instead of them just falling off without an exit.
These descriptions of the characters are all those that TP created. It was all established over the first 7 seasons. They have only wrote this last season 8.
I stop watching Sistas. The Gary storyline is annoying 🙄. Andi character has been an embarrassment to the intelligent black woman. Karen has been pregnant forever. Dani is still messed up everyman she goes with. I think they need to wrap up Sistas and go back to the drawing room. All the characters are going downhill.
That’s crazy that the writers didn’t watch the previous shows , you can tell they didn’t watch them and don’t even know the characters we knew that at least watching Sistas
Can't fully blame them Tyler wrote in Jordan, Tony & Rich in Season 6B. Honestly, getting rid of Calvin did NOTHING to hurt the series. Preston is a gem in Zatima Season 3. Much better than being a rug for Danni to walk all over in Sistas.
@@OurKindofEntertainmentI read an article a few weeks ago, so supposedly Calvin will appear at some point in S8 episode 20 I think. I’m not sure if it’s for Maurice or Sabrina though. Also, Barry from the Oval will be the new Jordan.
@@OurKindofEntertainmenti don't like Tony for Danni. I hate Jordan for Andi and at this rate he's a pointless character. I like Preston but not for Danni because she doesn't know how to treat him. I love Preston on Zatima and happy they brought him on board. I guess I like Rich for Sabrina. I still don't care for Aaron because he seems like he's hiding something
I agree with all the comments about Tyler Perry using the writers for a front to hide behind & he is still writing the show. Jeremy get with program, can't you see that or are you making excuses for Tyler because of your reviews.
Tyler Perry ain’t fooling me. He’s still writing the script or at the very least coaching these writers on what to write for this show. If he took these writers names off the writing credits right now & put his name back fans would be so excited that they wouldn’t realize it’s the same crap he’s been writing. You can’t expect me to believe that he ain’t still writing the script for Sistas when he still writes for Zatima & the Oval & even though I don’t watch them shows the complaints I read about how terrible those 2 shows are is similar to the complaints on Sistas. Tyler doesn’t mind sabotaging his own projects while using somebody else as the scapegoat. That’s why if I had the talent I’d never want to work with or for Tyler Perry. Not as a writer/director actor/actress or even in hair & makeup. I feel like he ruins these writers/directors & actors/actresses careers with his work. I’d be surprised if these people who work for him whether on screen or behind the scenes get better projects outside of Tyler that showcases their true talent.
Yeah he was too late incorporating different writers. He wants to control everything so I don’t buy him being extra talking about how he doesn’t watch the episodes anymore….. man gone
If they were to phase out the current characters and add new ones they that would be ok but if we have grown to enjoy the characters and want to see the growth and that is not happening and ratings are down it’s time to step in .
The writers not watching the previous episodes DEFINITELY makes a lot of sense now. I can’t speak for Sistas because I’m one of the people who gave up on that show but I definitely noticed the shift in Ruthless when they got new writers. Listen, I know people are skeptical of Tyler not being involved in the writing anymore and you have every right to be but there is obviously a big difference. Like of course, Tyler was never the BEST writer and Ruthless was always a weird show but it got weirder and felt like they was trying too hard for shock value which Tyler would occasionally do but not to this extent. There was also the whole subplot of the Raku compound moving into a hotel last season and the kids was already there but all of the sudden, the new season starts with Ruth escaping the compound only to return back because she randomly found the kids on a bus in the middle of nowhere and apparently they was never at a hotel this whole time, but they was apparently being trained by some Obi Wan Kenobi (I know his true name is Obdidah or something but I just couldn’t resist making this joke 😂) guy this whole time and brainwashed them into believing the Raku way, the whole thing was just (and still is) jarring. Also, the hotel storyline was dropped suddenly but I will at least give them credit for reviving the Lilo storyline.
Tyler know he is still telling the writers what write. His imprint is all over the seasons with the new writers. Tyler just say I have become a billionaire off my writing style and have no intentions of evolving from it whether I have writers or not.
The problem Tyler wrote plays, but he wasn’t an experienced writer then or now and he always want to be a one man show, but still wasn’t a experience writer, so he want to continue, his life experiences is limited you research and life experiences, his is limited all his younger years focus on plays off the ground and making money to survive, he should have gotten seasonal writers a long time ago and stop doing cheap, he quality. Tyler visions are good but the execution is terrible, and his ideal of writing all the scripts at one time short cuts, shows in the finish work, he get over from the blinded plays fan base and a black people goes crazy the idea he supposedly a billionaire and have done a few good deeds. Which don’t have anything to with his writing. He just write chaos which is what he grew up in , relationships don’t stand a chance you see it in his written work Sistas back story spoken one way but the finish project is a different story. Going back to writing all scripts at one time, he forgets and results in repeat lost and mix up scenes, that when filler scenes come into play or sex scene. That’s what happens to Karen pregnancy after that she didn’t have value after the twins now they can come because he done pair her up with Pam roots to riches, finally her Aaron might get together.Then he let those stupid finale make kind of foolishness, I can go on, like he said that’s he written like that it his do what he want. Quality that why paramount is particular about what they produce. Tyler really don’t think much of us it always some hood drama. Like we can relate to success or some kind of impression
Aaron should have been the father of both babies and stop making Zac look stupid and treating Fatima the way he's been treating her that's why he's rating is falling
Hmmm. I don’t about Tyler and his commentary. He wasn’t any better. The show is in its 8th season the new writers came in on season 7 is that correct? His audience BEEN complaining. Only thing I will say he did was keep the suspense going in hopes he would move the damn story along which he did not. I do not know whose idea it was to make Karen have twins with Zac being the father to one and Aaron being the father to the other baby. I did like the ladies having steady relationships but they are now tiresome. Again Tyler was not any better the show was a few seasons in and we wanted him to progress the characters along so we can see more from each character. The main plot people wanted and asked for on many platforms was to remove Zac from Karen altogether and that did not happen. Aaron could’ve been enough drama for Karen’s character without involving Zac. I think Tyler still guiding them that’s why it’s the way it is. Those writers aren’t Tubi writers 😂
I think Tyler Perry is lying. He just doesn't want to admit that he doesn't know how to write drama shows anymore and his best works was The halves and have nots & Too close too home. He needs writers point blank period!! Or he's associated(secret club) with people that have an agenda on how black people are shown in media. None of the stories on sistas are realistic to BEGIN WITH, even how the women are written they act like teenagers instead of women in their 30s and the focus of the show went from the women to the men, glorified toxic relationships with no growth or accountability and the unnecessary zatima spin off, and the disrespect of the only good guy on the show which is aaron. This show is no different than other black shows, a stereotypical mess pushing an agenda making our community looks stupid SMH.
@@belindamcclam9129 but he didn’t because either he is still writing or he is coaching the new writers what to write. No way could the new writers who are seasoned experienced writers forget how to write and write so bad for just one show but not the other shows that they have worked on
Besides, the twins having 2 dad's and one being Zac, which was awful writing, but Tyler's writing had Zac going through therapy and maturing, these new writers has Zac acting stupid and immature.
I don’t like how they are writing Andi and Fatima to go against Robin when all he is doing is his job because he is the boss of both of them and I usually enjoy moments with Andi and Fatima but this time around I am not liking how they are making Robin out to look like the villain and I am starting to get hesitant about this show because I don’t like how they are writing some of these characters just like how some people say they only watch Sistas because of Zac and Fatima I basically only watch Sistas for the Robin and Andi storyline but since they keep causing unnecessary rifts between Andi and Robin it seems forced now and trying to make Jordan and Gary look better so they are trying to make Robin the villain and I am not feeling it,sorry for the long paragraph I needed to let that out 😂😅😊.
You learn from your mistakes. It should have been a stipulation in the contract that they watch the shows. Sistas is wayyyyy off. At least he knows there is a problem.
I started off watching this show because i binge watched Zatima, so i had to see how it all started. After recently finally finish binge watch sistas, it is a huge difference in the writing from i would say s2 through s6. Season 7 i saw the decline, but its damn sure better than season 8. I think it def declined the minute Gary got dark because it was no longer believable. It turned soap opera and now in s8 it doesnt make since. I dont have an issue with drama between Karen, Zac, Fatima because it makes it juicy. But at some point, you got to wrap that up in a way where Karen has a man and moves on yet she can still throw shade without being desperate etc. The overly agression Zac has gor Aaron is a bit too mu h. Again. It can be a little shade here or there, but not so muxh agression. Andi is coming off as weak and desperate. Fatima doesnt ans shoukdnt have to continue coming to her rescue. Dani has def regressed and a hit mess. If shes seeking therapy youbwould think she would have some sort of brrak through. Aaron is giving me a guy who has secrets. Something thats not geniune for some reason. Who stabbed Gary was a big mistake that i guarantee they are regretting because they have dragged it for so long, that its not even interesting. We want it to be over already.
Speaking of Aaron, I don't think we'll ever get the backstory on why that one lady called him "John" in the old salon's parking lot. His possible secret double life was a dropped storyline.
So im late with Sistas and Zatima. I just binge watched Zatima about a month ago because i didn't have a clue what it was. I loved it so then i decided to binge sistas. For me, i loved season 2-6. 7 was ok, but season 8 has turned more so into a soap opera. They have dragged this Gary crap far too long. His character went from being a narcissist who was controlling but loved Andi. Then all of a sudden turning super dark where hes engaged to someone else and totally disrespecting Andi saying he didnt love her and blackmailing her. Ive always thought Zac and Fatima are the heart of the show and has the best storyline, but the regression from Zac for me. They have him doing too much. At this point, i will continue to support because i still look forward to watching and i do believe sistas will eventually get better. But with that said, i look forward to Zatima.
TP pleaaaaasssse take over sistas. It is going down the drain. I love that show. We need Karen and Zac story to end. Enough is enough. There’s no reason for Zac to be dealing with 2 baby mamas and one on the way. Also Fatima character is becoming unbelievable, no woman will put up with all this. They want Fatima to be horrible so bad. Who is writing this shit. S7 was trash. He said he loves her yet disrespects her at every turn. How did y’all not watch how Zac and Fatima started. This woman took him with nothing. Gary must go, we had enough, he needs his day in court or in a ⚰️ come on now. Karen needs to lose Zac baby, she can decide to be a baby mama or be with Aaron, struggle with depression for losing a baby or something. I like Sabrina’s story having some nuance with her wanting a baby, that’s real when getting up in age. But talk about the stigma that brings to BW. Stop making everything revolve around Gary, it is boring as hell. TP, please take your show back. I beg you!
The show sucks right now the writers don’t know what they doing and Karen been pregnant for two years. They need to change the writer or he need to come back and control of his show.When is she gonna have the twins?
That ain’t goin happen because that’s gonna be canceled and d said zac doesn’t want her he only wants the kid and he doesn’t want zac to be brought back down meaning a bum he basically wants his character to be a better man with a future
That’s crazy that the writers didn’t watch the previous shows , you can tell they didn’t watch them and don’t even know the characters we knew that at least watching Sistas
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Tyler needs to do what is best to save his shows. The writers should have watched all of his shows so that they could see what the characters were doing, what their personalities were, and also so that they could stay the course where they had the best ratings at. And yes, everybody is sick and tired of the Zach and Karen baby drama.
Thing is Tyler would not change the baby daddy drama portion of the show. He started that storyline. People complained back then when he was the only writer. The ratings went down once everyone learned about the paternity of Karen’s twins.
@@sweetcoffee10 I know Tyler always trying to create moves for upcoming writers!!! But it should not be at the cost these characters!!!
@1.0.2.4 I am not sure if Tyler would have gone with writing Zac as the daddy. If you remember, everything was pointing towards the possibility of Karen making up the fact that Zac was the dad, so Tyler could have twisted it that they found out that the twins were really Aaron's even though Karen was creating records to say it was Zac.
@ I hope you are right Zac needs a break frfr
I have made it Crystal clear a number of times my main reason for not watching Sistas anymore is everything that was done to Zac's character S7. The way he was written to disregard Fatima, berating her in the hospital IN FRONT of his ex, saying dumb shit like "I put two of them in there" and much more. They really took a sledgehammer to Zac and to this day I want to know. They promised us a explanation for why Zac HAD to be regressed to that extent, we never got it. Fatima being a bodyguard, it is so clear in the writing that they don't like Fatima's character that's how *I feel about it personally. They went out of their way to write nothing but hurt for Fatima all S7 where Zac and that pregnancy was concerned, when they finally let her go to law school they wrote for her to fail her test when it's always been evident that Fatima is extremely smart. And on top of all that, writing S7 as if Fatima was Zac's mistress that stole him away from that pregnant woman, writing the show as if Fatima is equally responsible for the drama between her and that pregnant woman it was beyond too much.
Look at what they've done to Zac in S8. Now he is a stay at home dad and the SHOW has given us absolutely no explanation for why, and for anyone who says we know why. The actors should not give us motivation for why their characters are doing things in bts footage, it needs to be in the writing. It still has not been written on screen why he is a stay at home dad.
Zac and Fatima don't even have their own storylines anymore. They are used as pawns to keep dreadful stories relevant. Like all their discussions in 7B being about that baby and now in S8 every single conversation has been about Gary.
They don't even talk about how their day went anymore, we don't see them in the kitchen, talking about supper, and making supper non of that.
I'm gonna keep bringing up the one person who tweeted and said it feels like these writers took this writing gig to humble Zac and Fatima, well that need to humble that has caused Sistas a lot of ratings. Because whether people wanna admit this or not Fatima and Zac are the draw to the show. The two of them are the sole reason why I started watching Sistas when I saw their fan videos on RUclips.
You don't come onto a show and write the favourite characters into the ground. No you attempt to bring all the other characters up to the level of those who are already loved.
But making Zac that woman's baby daddy was a HUGE mistake and unless they find a way to undo that, those ratings are gonna stay in the trash. Zatima fans have made it clear since S3 that they would stop watching Sistas if Zac is the father of that baby.
You said a mouth full and yes they trashed Zac and Fatima’s character and yes they gon have to do a lot of changes to get the ratings back up especially with Zac and Fatima’s characters because they’re the reason most of us watch Sista’s but the way the writers been going with Zac and Fatima storyline is ridiculous and I hate it 😡😡
@@Msshashad who are the they because a lot of what you are talking about was Tyler Perry and not the new writers. Zac disrespected Fatima in season 6 when he left her to go and see about Karen at the salon fire. Zac sent mixed signals to Karen spending time with Karen at the salon and promising to fix the salon while Fatima did all of the foot work to get the emergency hearing for little Mikey’s custody hearing. Zac even told Preston that Fatima was gonna have to get over how Fatima was feeling left out when Preston brought it to Zac’s attention. On Zatima where Tyler Perry is the sole writer, Zac told Fatima to leave the hospital and Fatima came back to find Zac in Connie, his ex’s arms. He told Fatima to get out of their house and so on and on. This was all Tyler Perry’s writing. Not the new writers. The new writers did not become involved in the writing of Sistas until the writing of season 7 and they don’t write at all for Zatima. Seasons 1-6 were all Tyler Perry including horrible seasons 5-6. But Tyler Perry had been destroying Zac and Fatima with this long drawn out pregnancy of over 4 years. Zac and Fatima don’t have their own storyline because Karen wouldn’t have a storyline without being connected to Zac and Fatima. So they are connected by the hip to secure Ebony’s character Karen. And yes Fatima is Zac’s body guard curtesy of Tyler Perry’s writing. Since the beginning of their relationship Fatima has supported Zac but it has become more like a mother’s protection than his girl. Also curtesy of Mr. Perry.
In the beginning I put in posts to new writer Jamey that the writers need to do their homework meaning they needed to take the time to watch every episode of Sistas beginning with S1Ep1. It was a mistake in S7 to abruptly bring in Jordan, Tony, Rich as love interests for Andi, Danni and Sabrina. The introduction of Penelope as Gary's pregnant fiancee made no sense either in season 7. Why was this done. What was the purpose of the guy at the salon who became Pam's love interest. Karen having twins with one of the babies being Zac is so outrageous. Why did Sabrina start to get baby fever suddenly. When Tyler hired new writers Sistas went straight to hell. They ignored previous ongoing storylines. The focus went away from Sabrina, Andi, Karen, Danni, Zac and Fatima
@margaretbrown9934 it was a mistake to bring in new writers in an already established but poorly written show in season 7 and expect the new writers to be miracle workers. Everyone had already been complaining for years for Tyler Perry to incorporate writing help and he does it in the 7th season after a disastrous season 6. What should have happened is Sistas should have concluded in season 6 and the new writers should have been allow free reign of their own creative ideas and freedom with a new show for Sistas , either a prequel or sequel to help the viewership get a better understanding of the characters and why they are how they are or in a sequel have them move on with their lives
I don’t understand how yall come to the show SISTAS for Zac and Fatima when they have their ZATIMA🙄 yall kill me..the show went down hill once the show wasn’t focusing on the women of the show anymore. Yall mad at fictional characters can’t even type KARENS name it take way more time to write out the pregnant lady 😩🤣
My favorite person was Dani and they messed her character up bad
All the Queens Men is the best show Tyler has out now. Eva is amazing in her role ND she carries that show. I can never get enough of All the Queens Men.
They messed up sistas for real do not like the direction them writers took sistas in
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I agree Tyler Perry messed up because he took too long to find the writers he's been writing a show for so long when the new writers came in they got rid of certain characters
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@@Tiajones333 they even made Tamera Hayden girlfriend again they didn’t even acknowledge that they got married then why they have to have Fatima get pushed on the ground what was the point of that action never understood that part then the two babies daddies why they made it that Karen had to have some kind of ties too Zac
We told you that if they continue to let Fatima get called out her name and make Zach the father of Karen’s baby we are going to stop watching and that’s exactly what happened
I’m sorry, TP is still writing for Sistas. If anyone else is in the writers room, it’s TP son and his little friends playing.
Well, I (for one) am so excited that he is addressing the issue. Yes, we wanted him to hire writers for the series, and his expectations were high- The reality is people probably wanted to write from their perspective of how they wanted to show to go and not the natural progression. I’ll tell you one thing have me on your podcast. The next time you go live with fans of the show.. I’m ready!
They messed up sistas really bad
The writers have not been able to capture, Tyler Perry’s writing style or unique, or be a voice of how Tyler Perry create these characters. The writers are sadly failing. Really failing. That bite. 24:05 24:05 24:05
It’s funny. You sound just like Tyler Perry. When people began telling him that he needed help with his writing, which he has been told that FOR YEARS, Tyler Perry’s reply was as he resisted getting help, Tyler Perry said (phrasing) that he wasn’t gonna hire any writers because his fans have to hear his voice. He said that he had tried having other writers but his fans couldn’t hear his voice so he wasn’t gonna hire any writers. His voice is the stereotypical stereotypes that he present in his projects of the weak minded, poor decision making, insecure, dependent, abused, traumatized, down trodden stuck woman and that abusive, dominant, harsh, cheating, womanizing man with drama, drama, drama and no one is EVER happy. I think the new writers have definitely been coached well.
@@dawnwalton1099Spot on. Cause why are people acting like we didn't demand a writing room because Tyler Perry writing sucked ? It's unfortunate the writers are making the show worse but let's not act Tyler was doing a better job. His characters prior to the change were stagnant, no growth. Storylines went no where.
@redrose1070429 thank you and now everything is still consistent with Tyler Perry’s poor writing and his poor storytelling which are predictable that lacks creativity and imagination. It’s like he cuts and paste from his previous episodes or projects and fits them in. And yet we are supposed to believe that the new writers who are well seasoned professionals writers just all of a sudden forgot how to write and became poor writers for Sistas.
Well Tyler kind of mess them up himself, because he came on TV and said IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DONT WATCH IT. So we STOP watching.
I don't believe that TP is hands off with these shows, you can tell he's put his thumb on some of those story lines, and you can tell. They need to stop being unrealistic and make these scenarios make sense. There is no way that Tyler let those writers give Karen two baby daddies at the same time. I just don't believe it. I think those writers are being scapegoats. ATQM is a perfect example, Christian Keyes wrote the fist season and it was fire, when Tyler too over it's been going downhill ever since.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. These new writers are seasoned experienced writers and you mean to tell me that all of a sudden they stopped knowing how to write and are making the same ridiculous mistakes that Tyler Perry is KNOWN for. Look at Zatima who Tyler Perry writes for and then look at Sistas and you see the same inconsistencies, errors and repetitious mistakes. Please Tyler Perry is scapegoating those writers to attempt to shut people up about him being a bad writer. But who’s he gonna blame for Mea Culpa, Divorce in the Black and a bunch more?? He is using this to say see I told yall it wasn’t me it was you. But I don’t buy it for one minute.
That season TP wrote was terrible. I've enjoyed the first 3 episodes of All The Queen's Men this season. It's been 3 different writers and they wrote similar to Christian Keyes.
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Thank you for saying this. I always thought he meant to make them scapegoats for the trash he knew we'd get. His hand is all in this. I am sure he changes everything they do to make it something that he would have written. I agree with @DawnWalton1099 that this is to make us hush about his bad writing. I've not watched the show in forever at this point and refuse to pay attention to his other projects since we are too much of a high brow negro to know how these images he portrays have us looking, know what a bad/dragged out/repetitive story line looks like, or to know what good writing looks and sounds like. He just does not like constructive feedback and its hard to deal with people like that
I think it’s a dual problem going on here. The new writers have not watched Seasons 2-6 of the show before writing Season 7. But the failure of Sistas is mainly on Tyler from Season 3-6 of Sistas. The writing was awful. So Tyler can’t say it’s exclusively the new writers. The new writers are just matching the quality of what Tyler established. And most of what he wrote is not good.
@@blue_wolfproductions12 Exactly. The new writers are seasoned professionals. So what did the new writers do, forget how to create good material. That sounds ridiculous considering the new writers have written for their own shows as well as other people’s shows aside from Tyler Perry. Yet somehow they are now writing in a writing style that resembles Tyler Perry’s poor writing. That doesn’t even make sense. The new writers are nothing more than scapegoats to shut the mouths of Tyler Perry’s critics who have said that he needs writing help. They are being used to prove to those critics that Tyler Perry is the better writer for his shows and have people stop saying that he needs help with his writing because now he can say he tried incorporating writing help and his show got worse when the new writers are following Tyler Perry’s coaching
@ Exactly. It’s honestly kinda stupid that Tyler tryna throw people under the bus to stroke his own ego
Whether Tyler writing was bad he kept it interesting don’t sistas would have never gotten to a million people to watch Tyler just never gave details in his story writing the who what when and where
Whether Tyler writing was bad he kept it interesting don’t sistas would have never gotten to a million people to watch Tyler just never gave details in his story writing the who what when and where
No kidding!!! We the fans all knew this.
THEY NEED TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, ZACS BROTHER SUPPOSED TO BE RECOVERING IN THE HOSPITAL, BUT HE DIED, THEN GARY SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AND HE'S RECOVERING FULLY
And guess what??? Tyler Perry writes Zatima with Zac’s brother and the new writer are writing for Sistas about Gary yet both of these scenarios are very much alike, so much so that it feels almost like both shows are written by the same person. JS
I wouldnt say that. That is a big difference in Zatima and Sistas. Zatima seems more detailed and gets into the background of the characters. On Zatima, we see azac being his loving self and then changing. We see what triggered him to spazz out. We didnt have to guess. We see an actual breakup where Fatima is holding him accountable and making him pay. We see real convos between them. On sistas, you have to assume and guess why hes being an asshole and we only know his background because its mentioned somewhat. His characters seems to have regressed and become annoying. No boundaries with Karen just totally different. Zatima is def a better product. Im not sure where the righters are trying to go with any of the characters. They should go back and rewatch why and what made the show become a hit. Do better with Andi. Shes regressed. Do something with Danni, she has regressed and hasnt grown at all. Sabrina is just Sabrina. She needs better material. Zac and Fatima need to go back to what made them fan favorites and why the ratings skyrocketed once they became a couple. Karen hasnt necessarily regressed but sheesh get her a man, and why did she have to be pregnant by both men. Why not have it the same way, but it turns out to be both of Aarons babies. Let her move on and have those babies already. Zac and Fatima, whats taking so long on their pregnancy. Are we supposed to believe that shes pregnant and her and Zac are the only ones who know, yet we have yet to see a scene where Zac is excited and rubbing her belly, or is it one of those things where we have to assume and then go back and watch zatima to know what happened. @dawnwalton1099
@@robertwiggins5907 you do realize that Tyler Perry wrote 6 of the 8 seasons of Sistas. If he did so much in Zatima as you explained why didn’t he do the same on Sistas. He has time to write Zac loving on Zatima instead of Zac flip flopping on Sistas why didn’t he? The way Zac acted after finding out that Karen was alive at the salon fire was ridiculous and very dis respectful to Fatima. That was Tyler Perry’s writing. Zac sending mixed messages to Karen after the fire was Tyler Perry’s writing. Andi staying with Gary after he abused her. Yup Tyler Perry write that too. What about karen being pregnant for 4 years. That’s Tyler Perry’s MO with him writing pregnancies. Malik‘s wife on House of Payne was pregnant almost as long as Karen is and Tyler Perry wrote them both. And there was never any real back story for any of the main characters on Sistas. In fact the only one of the main character’s that seems to have any relationship with family members is Karen. The girls on Sistas have been stuck in the same place with the same predicaments involving the same people while having the same conversations about the same things since season 1 under Tyler Perry’s writing. So to blame the new writer, who are only new to Sistas but not new to writing is crazy. They are only doing what they are coached to do. You mean to tell me that the new seasoned professional writers some who have written their own shows somehow forgot how to write now that they are writing for Sistas but they wrote for others and themselves successfully. I call scapegoating to have Tyler Perry’s critics shut their mouths about his poor writing and show that he is the better writer for his own shows.
I personally think Tyler sabotaged the writers for Sistas so he can say see I'm not the issue. He is still in control and controlling at the end of the day.
Agreed
As a writer I would love to write for Sistas it’s my favorite show and I have a deep connection to the characters. Maybe one day it’ll happen!🦋 But I also love your videos!
Wow, that’s quite a lot to take. Even when Tyler Perry says. He can’t even watch some of the shows. That’s definitely saying a lot. 24:05
What I don't understand is how is Fatima pregnant in Zatima but not in sista's and sista's is a hot mess😢
Because it's a totally different universe and that's how we have to watch it. Watch Zatima as if Sistas doesn't exist because the minute you start trying to put the puzzle together and timelines, it's not going to add up example: zatima doesn't mention Karen's babies too much. They make it seem like it's unknown, yet they are engaged, mom dies, brother issues. Sistas he has a child living with him now, one of Karen's babies is his, they engaged but never showed it. Plus Zatima she's pregnant, yet on sistas she hasn't mentioned it.
We already knew this.
To be honest when it comes to this show he took too long to get new writers you're not supposed to take that long to get new writers when it's a couple of seasons are because it's going to feel like a different show
@@Tiajones333 he wouldn’t be able to have the new writers blamed for the show if he had them earlier. Who do you know of has new writers come in in season 7 of a show and expect it to go well. Tyler Perry just want to shut people’s mouths up about him being such a bad writer that he’s willing to have the new writers blamed for his work that he is coaching the new writers to write. How in the world did seasoned writers come into Sistas and forget how to write even though some of them have written their own shows? They have to be coached through what is wanted. If Tyler Perry wanted to strengthen the Sistas project with good writing he should have ended Sistas at season 6 and let the new writers create a sequel or prequel to Sistas. This would have allowed the new writers artistic creativity and imagination for the show while giving the fan base a new storyline to follow about the characters. A prequel to let us know how they became who they are or a sequel to follow the main characters through therapy as they develop and grow. But to follow in the path of Tyler Perry’s 6 seasons of a mess was just plain scapegoating these new writers
@@dawnwalton1099thank you. Tyler thinks we are stupid. Those are experienced award winning actors.
Season seven was a heart pill to swallow taking in the fact that they totally regressed Zack‘s character and they’re continuing to even do it in season eight. Not to mention. What they’ve done with Fatima‘s character as well. And let’s not get started on what they’re doing with Andy Sheesh it’s becoming painful. I tell you, it was some point!! They made Andy so weak. Could she get weaker??? I mean anytime well Fidel is probably not the main character but in any case she’s a character nonetheless. Can haul off and slap you in your own home. And you not do anything about it. And it sounds like, now they’re trying to make Karen‘s character a better character, well that might not be too bad. But man, they totally dismantled. Zack‘s character, and Andy, who gets the worst of it all. Just my thoughts. I guess somebody’s gotta take one for the team. 24:05 24:05
I agree they let Zack character depress especially with Karen!! He love Fatima let’s get back to that!! I know too, that Fatima too is pregnant but let her continue to be her!! Not this push over chick not her character!!! Especially being from a family of Madams lol
Fatima should have been the lawyer Andy.is.weak she can't even stand up for herself she has let Gary disrespect her in the worst way and Danni has become weak also
If TP doesn’t want to watch his own shows that’s telling.
The writers have not been able to capture, Tyler Perry’s writing style or unique, or be a voice of how Tyler Perry create these characters. The writers are sadly failing. Really failing. That bite. 24:05 24:05
You said exactly what I was thinking
I personally think that Tyler should take back the writing for some shows like Sista's because it is losing ratings and will soon be cancelled.
The full intention was to have the blame for this show being in the predicament it is in was to fault the new writers which if anyone knows Tyler Perry’s work can see Tyler Perry’s fingerprints are still all over Sistas writing. Either Tyler Perry is still writing the scripts or he is coaching the writers room but Tyler Perry is still very much involved in the writing of Sistas and more than just directing. The new writers were brought in to be scapegoat to have everyone complain about how awful the new writers are as though Tyler Perry’s writing was any better. People couldn’t wait for the new writers to come in thinking they would breathe fresh air into this lifeless show but all they are doing is in following Tyler Perry’s footsteps.
People have a misconception that these new writers are new to the game but they are seasoned writers some who have written their own shows. So why would seasoned writers that have written so well for other project do so horribly for Tyler Perry AND with the SAME writing style and errors that Tyler Perry has presented in ALL of his work. The repetitious storylines and storytelling. No nuance, details or depth for the characters. No balance or blending, things just run on and on. Not to mention no character development but LOTs of regression in the characters. And this same style is reflected in Zatima who by the way Tyler Perry is the sole writer for the show. No one can fault the new writers for these girls who has always acted like middle schoolers that are stuck in the same place with the same predicaments involving the same people while having the same conversations about the same things SINCE season 1 and that was ALL Tyler Perry writing up until season 6. Remember the writing couldn’t have been that great with so many people wanting Tyler Perry to have a writers room.
The fact that the new writers are scapegoats is to shut Tyler Perry’s naw sayers up so that people would stop talking about his bad writing and have someone else to blame. With people being convinced that the new writers aren’t seasoned experienced writers with good creativity and imagination who are being coached through a stagnated bad show and limiting their creative juices; this allows Tyler Perry’s horrible writing to look better and be requested to return. Which is just what Tyler Perry wants. To shut the mouths of those who have been truthful about his need for help,and real artistic support who won’t be stifled. It’s not the new writers fault that’s why they have kept those opens going trying to give yall hints. But believe what you want.
It's definitely ONE BAND, ONE SOUND when it comes to all the writers, TP included. Instructions should have been given and followed. As well as mandatory viewing of previous seasons.
Jamey Giddens wrote on Ambitions which was a great series and I had high expectations for Sistas because of him alone. Both seasons of Ambitions are better than all 8 seasons of Sistas.
Instructions are given and followed because they are writing from Tyler Perry’s coaching and playbook. No way could these good seasoned writers just suddenly forget how to write or become bad writers just for one show. These are seasoned writers who have worked on other projects that were good so how did they become so bad for Sistas. It makes absolutely no sense other than the new writers are Tyler Perry’s scapegoats to shut people’s mouths and stop people from saying how bad Tyler Perry’s writing is. He now has proof so to speak that there are others worse than he is. Or so we are supposedly led to believe but the writes are not doing this on their own. Tyler Perry is still in control. His fingerprints of dragging storylines and storytelling lingers. His repetitious mistakes and errors familiar to Tyler Perry’s writing are still there, And the lack of balance, nuance and depth are still lacking. The new writers are there to take the fall but who is Tyler Perry gonna blame for Mea Culpa and Divorce in the Black and the bunch of other bad writing he has done.
I sooooo AGREE with EVERYTHING you said! Thank You!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I disagree. TP love it or hate it have also created bangers. His writing is not the worst however, I can see the show taking a direction TP would have never taking. His stories are always deeper.
@Samy-yh4yl you are surely entitled to your opinion. For me there is no way the new writers who are seasoned experienced professional writers who have written for other people’s projects and some have written for their own shows have somehow forgotten how to write good material but instead make the same mistakes, errors and poor quality similar to Mr. Perry’s. After all they were supposedly hired to improve the show so why follow the same footsteps when that wasn’t working for the past 6 seasons prior to their hire. It doesn’t make sense to write something like Gary’s storyline of obsession with Andi and have it drag like most of Tyler Perry’s storytelling e.g. Karen’s pregnancy on Sista and Lisa’s on House of Payne dragging just to mention one example
It's crazy how we all called it! LOL, The writers definitely were not following the arc transition of each character.
So in other words you Tyler Perry don't know how to not interfere. I can see you directing and changing everything they've tried to do.
He said if the ratings drop that means that the audience are not interested and because of that he needs to step in .
I'm so disappointed with the direction Sistas has gone, I started binge watching right before season five and loved the show but saw the difference early on in season six, I planned my day being ready to watch the show on Wednesday nights, but not so much with season seven and eight, I'm skipping weeks then going back to watch, only to realize I haven't missed much, my opinion only, the story lines grew a little dark, like with the rapid change in Gary, Andi the brilliant lawyer becoming a weak sapling, taking the humor out of Dani, breaking her and Preston up and shoving her into a bland relationship, Fatima and Zac facing one disaster after the next and so on. I may just give up on Sistas if this mid-season finale is not good.
Same here!
I feel you
Tyler Perry focusing on Netflix
Plus I do not like The Three Stooges Jordan rich and I forgot the guy name that's with Danny and some of the new characters they got when I say new they have not been on the show for a lot of seasons and there's some other people they need to get off the show Penelope needs to go the guy that's working for Gary Tamara can be on another show as a main cast member and there's some other stuff and some other people
I did not watch last season due to Crazy Gary’s character having The Worst Script ever. He’s committed several crimes, broken several laws, yet he’s not being held accountable. Great actor that needs a better storyline, or possibly a more serious show, and not anywhere near Andi.
Andi is too Dumb and weak. How can she possibly be a good Lawyer if she can’t speak up for herself. With Crazy Gary’s physical and mental abuse and Broke Karen dogging her. She’s more believable as a stockroom clerk or any job that does not require a brain.
Over-sexed, pothead Dani will speak up for herself. She doesn’t make wise decisions with her life and has horrible selection in men.
Bitter Karen has carried babies for what feels like five years. The two, possibly more dads are crazy. Great actress, with a terrible storyline.
Questionable Sabrina meets a man, now she wants a baby. She was “normal” until this poor judgement.
Hopefully, Mr. Perry can breathe life back into this show. He needs to concentrate on ending characters, instead of them just falling off without an exit.
These descriptions of the characters are all those that TP created. It was all established over the first 7 seasons. They have only wrote this last season 8.
@ True that Mr. Perry created the series, however, the ratings are going down for some reason🤷🏾♀️
I think he's able to focus now since he finished 6888 which was great i think he can get it back on track
Stopped watching all of TP shows . It's so predictable and you get tired of seeing it. Still wish him the best 🙏🏾
I stop watching Sistas. The Gary storyline is annoying 🙄. Andi character has been an embarrassment to the intelligent black woman. Karen has been pregnant forever. Dani is still messed up everyman she goes with. I think they need to wrap up Sistas and go back to the drawing room. All the characters are going downhill.
That’s crazy that the writers didn’t watch the previous shows , you can tell they didn’t watch them and don’t even know the characters we knew that at least watching Sistas
It was just a hot mess. Majority of the people liked the Sean Sagar played Jordan better than the current Jordan.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, Jeremy.
All the Queens Men is Christian Keys show right or...
Yes. Tyler recently took over it though.
Yeah. It’s just filmed at TP Studios.
Yes
@@simplyjuannie5128 oh. Imma pay attention to the credits when the new episode drops tomorrow.
There have been 3 different writers this season for All The Queen's Men and it still feels like Christian Keyes.
No one writes the same so how do you say they will just pick up off what his idea is so why are they writing them if they can't catch what he doing
To be honest the new writers got rid of good characters and the characters they bought in are whack
Can't fully blame them Tyler wrote in Jordan, Tony & Rich in Season 6B. Honestly, getting rid of Calvin did NOTHING to hurt the series. Preston is a gem in Zatima Season 3. Much better than being a rug for Danni to walk all over in Sistas.
@@OurKindofEntertainment TRUTH!
@@OurKindofEntertainmentI read an article a few weeks ago, so supposedly Calvin will appear at some point in S8 episode 20 I think. I’m not sure if it’s for Maurice or Sabrina though. Also, Barry from the Oval will be the new Jordan.
@@OurKindofEntertainmentRight and he got rid of Preston.
@@OurKindofEntertainmenti don't like Tony for Danni. I hate Jordan for Andi and at this rate he's a pointless character. I like Preston but not for Danni because she doesn't know how to treat him. I love Preston on Zatima and happy they brought him on board. I guess I like Rich for Sabrina. I still don't care for Aaron because he seems like he's hiding something
I agree with all the comments about Tyler Perry using the writers for a front to hide behind & he is still writing the show. Jeremy get with program, can't you see that or are you making excuses for Tyler because of your reviews.
House of Payne is awful now and assisting living is trash I stop watching both this season
Tyler Perry ain’t fooling me. He’s still writing the script or at the very least coaching these writers on what to write for this show. If he took these writers names off the writing credits right now & put his name back fans would be so excited that they wouldn’t realize it’s the same crap he’s been writing. You can’t expect me to believe that he ain’t still writing the script for Sistas when he still writes for Zatima & the Oval & even though I don’t watch them shows the complaints I read about how terrible those 2 shows are is similar to the complaints on Sistas. Tyler doesn’t mind sabotaging his own projects while using somebody else as the scapegoat. That’s why if I had the talent I’d never want to work with or for Tyler Perry. Not as a writer/director actor/actress or even in hair & makeup. I feel like he ruins these writers/directors & actors/actresses careers with his work. I’d be surprised if these people who work for him whether on screen or behind the scenes get better projects outside of Tyler that showcases their true talent.
I will say, Zatima is 200 times better than sistas
Yeah he was too late incorporating different writers. He wants to control everything so I don’t buy him being extra talking about how he doesn’t watch the episodes anymore….. man gone
@1.0.2.4 for some reason, I believe him. This doesn't feel luke anything Tyler would write. He's over the top, but this is too much
I don’t watch all the shows the only show i really get into is Zatima queens men parts of sistas sometimes scenes
If they were to phase out the current characters and add new ones they that would be ok but if we have grown to enjoy the characters and want to see the growth and that is not happening and ratings are down it’s time to step in .
The writers not watching the previous episodes DEFINITELY makes a lot of sense now. I can’t speak for Sistas because I’m one of the people who gave up on that show but I definitely noticed the shift in Ruthless when they got new writers.
Listen, I know people are skeptical of Tyler not being involved in the writing anymore and you have every right to be but there is obviously a big difference. Like of course, Tyler was never the BEST writer and Ruthless was always a weird show but it got weirder and felt like they was trying too hard for shock value which Tyler would occasionally do but not to this extent.
There was also the whole subplot of the Raku compound moving into a hotel last season and the kids was already there but all of the sudden, the new season starts with Ruth escaping the compound only to return back because she randomly found the kids on a bus in the middle of nowhere and apparently they was never at a hotel this whole time, but they was apparently being trained by some Obi Wan Kenobi (I know his true name is Obdidah or something but I just couldn’t resist making this joke 😂) guy this whole time and brainwashed them into believing the Raku way, the whole thing was just (and still is) jarring. Also, the hotel storyline was dropped suddenly but I will at least give them credit for reviving the Lilo storyline.
Tyler know he is still telling the writers what write. His imprint is all over the seasons with the new writers. Tyler just say I have become a billionaire off my writing style and have no intentions of evolving from it whether I have writers or not.
The problem Tyler wrote plays, but he wasn’t an experienced writer then or now and he always want to be a one man show, but still wasn’t a experience writer, so he want to continue, his life experiences is limited you research and life experiences, his is limited all his younger years focus on plays off the ground and making money to survive, he should have gotten seasonal writers a long time ago and stop doing cheap, he quality. Tyler visions are good but the execution is terrible, and his ideal of writing all the scripts at one time short cuts, shows in the finish work, he get over from the blinded plays fan base and a black people goes crazy the idea he supposedly a billionaire and have done a few good deeds. Which don’t have anything to with his writing. He just write chaos which is what he grew up in , relationships don’t stand a chance you see it in his written work Sistas back story spoken one way but the finish project is a different story. Going back to writing all scripts at one time, he forgets and results in repeat lost and mix up scenes, that when filler scenes come into play or sex scene. That’s what happens to Karen pregnancy after that she didn’t have value after the twins now they can come because he done pair her up with Pam roots to riches, finally her Aaron might get together.Then he let those stupid finale make kind of foolishness, I can go on, like he said that’s he written like that it his do what he want. Quality that why paramount is particular about what they produce. Tyler really don’t think much of us it always some hood drama. Like we can relate to success or some kind of impression
Making Zac the baby daddy tanked the ratings PERIOD.
Aaron should have been the father of both babies and stop making Zac look stupid and treating Fatima the way he's been treating her that's why he's rating is falling
Sistas failing miserably to me
Hmmm. I don’t about Tyler and his commentary. He wasn’t any better. The show is in its 8th season the new writers came in on season 7 is that correct? His audience BEEN complaining. Only thing I will say he did was keep the suspense going in hopes he would move the damn story along which he did not. I do not know whose idea it was to make Karen have twins with Zac being the father to one and Aaron being the father to the other baby. I did like the ladies having steady relationships but they are now tiresome. Again Tyler was not any better the show was a few seasons in and we wanted him to progress the characters along so we can see more from each character. The main plot people wanted and asked for on many platforms was to remove Zac from Karen altogether and that did not happen. Aaron could’ve been enough drama for Karen’s character without involving Zac. I think Tyler still guiding them that’s why it’s the way it is. Those writers aren’t Tubi writers 😂
Ion told you Mister P to hire me I’ll have your show popping like people in their late 50 bones!!
I think Tyler Perry is lying. He just doesn't want to admit that he doesn't know how to write drama shows anymore and his best works was The halves and have nots & Too close too home. He needs writers point blank period!! Or he's associated(secret club) with people that have an agenda on how black people are shown in media. None of the stories on sistas are realistic to BEGIN WITH, even how the women are written they act like teenagers instead of women in their 30s and the focus of the show went from the women to the men, glorified toxic relationships with no growth or accountability and the unnecessary zatima spin off, and the disrespect of the only good guy on the show which is aaron. This show is no different than other black shows, a stereotypical mess pushing an agenda making our community looks stupid SMH.
100% correct
This!
I agree
Some fans kept insisting Tyler get so writers ✍️, you have to be careful what you ask for.
@@belindamcclam9129 but he didn’t because either he is still writing or he is coaching the new writers what to write. No way could the new writers who are seasoned experienced writers forget how to write and write so bad for just one show but not the other shows that they have worked on
@ in his whole interview he spoke about.
I ain’t watched sistas in a minute
Besides, the twins having 2 dad's and one being Zac, which was awful writing, but Tyler's writing had Zac going through therapy and maturing, these new writers has Zac acting stupid and immature.
I don’t like how they are writing Andi and Fatima to go against Robin when all he is doing is his job because he is the boss of both of them and I usually enjoy moments with Andi and Fatima but this time around I am not liking how they are making Robin out to look like the villain and I am starting to get hesitant about this show because I don’t like how they are writing some of these characters just like how some people say they only watch Sistas because of Zac and Fatima I basically only watch Sistas for the Robin and Andi storyline but since they keep causing unnecessary rifts between Andi and Robin it seems forced now and trying to make Jordan and Gary look better so they are trying to make Robin the villain and I am not feeling it,sorry for the long paragraph I needed to let that out 😂😅😊.
I believe Robin is the villain
@ why?
You learn from your mistakes. It should have been a stipulation in the contract that they watch the shows. Sistas is wayyyyy off. At least he knows there is a problem.
I started off watching this show because i binge watched Zatima, so i had to see how it all started. After recently finally finish binge watch sistas, it is a huge difference in the writing from i would say s2 through s6. Season 7 i saw the decline, but its damn sure better than season 8. I think it def declined the minute Gary got dark because it was no longer believable. It turned soap opera and now in s8 it doesnt make since. I dont have an issue with drama between Karen, Zac, Fatima because it makes it juicy. But at some point, you got to wrap that up in a way where Karen has a man and moves on yet she can still throw shade without being desperate etc. The overly agression Zac has gor Aaron is a bit too mu h. Again. It can be a little shade here or there, but not so muxh agression. Andi is coming off as weak and desperate. Fatima doesnt ans shoukdnt have to continue coming to her rescue. Dani has def regressed and a hit mess. If shes seeking therapy youbwould think she would have some sort of brrak through. Aaron is giving me a guy who has secrets. Something thats not geniune for some reason. Who stabbed Gary was a big mistake that i guarantee they are regretting because they have dragged it for so long, that its not even interesting. We want it to be over already.
Speaking of Aaron, I don't think we'll ever get the backstory on why that one lady called him "John" in the old salon's parking lot. His possible secret double life was a dropped storyline.
@akilahbee yeah because they are too busy trying destroy Zac while making a failed attempt to prop up or redeem Karen's character.
One character needs to go on Sistas. He distract s the focus to him, and he is no sista.
So im late with Sistas and Zatima. I just binge watched Zatima about a month ago because i didn't have a clue what it was. I loved it so then i decided to binge sistas. For me, i loved season 2-6. 7 was ok, but season 8 has turned more so into a soap opera. They have dragged this Gary crap far too long. His character went from being a narcissist who was controlling but loved Andi. Then all of a sudden turning super dark where hes engaged to someone else and totally disrespecting Andi saying he didnt love her and blackmailing her. Ive always thought Zac and Fatima are the heart of the show and has the best storyline, but the regression from Zac for me. They have him doing too much. At this point, i will continue to support because i still look forward to watching and i do believe sistas will eventually get better. But with that said, i look forward to Zatima.
TP pleaaaaasssse take over sistas. It is going down the drain. I love that show. We need Karen and Zac story to end. Enough is enough. There’s no reason for Zac to be dealing with 2 baby mamas and one on the way. Also Fatima character is becoming unbelievable, no woman will put up with all this. They want Fatima to be horrible so bad. Who is writing this shit. S7 was trash. He said he loves her yet disrespects her at every turn. How did y’all not watch how Zac and Fatima started. This woman took him with nothing. Gary must go, we had enough, he needs his day in court or in a ⚰️ come on now. Karen needs to lose Zac baby, she can decide to be a baby mama or be with Aaron, struggle with depression for losing a baby or something. I like Sabrina’s story having some nuance with her wanting a baby, that’s real when getting up in age. But talk about the stigma that brings to BW. Stop making everything revolve around Gary, it is boring as hell. TP, please take your show back. I beg you!
I thought All The Queen's Men was Christian Keys Show
The show sucks right now the writers don’t know what they doing and Karen been pregnant for two years. They need to change the writer or he need to come back and control of his show.When is she gonna have the twins?
Is ridiculous
Even Tyler doesn’t watch this 💩
Netflix or not
This show needs to go out with a bang. With Zac and Karen getting back together
Omg yaasss just to shut every one up
That ain’t goin happen because that’s gonna be canceled and d said zac doesn’t want her he only wants the kid and he doesn’t want zac to be brought back down meaning a bum he basically wants his character to be a better man with a future
That’s crazy that the writers didn’t watch the previous shows , you can tell they didn’t watch them and don’t even know the characters we knew that at least watching Sistas
Even Tyler doesn’t watch this 💩