My personal favorite has always been mercenary bot with the executioner's sword and just set up to generate as much temp health as possible. He has saved my life more than any other bot. Ironbreaker is great too, but he tends to ult over me and just stand there blocking which often gets me killed faster because of the overhands from elites that he triggers.
I like Zealot too, but for me the best is Unchained: She can snipe specials, she can survave hordes and she heals everyone. One time on Legend I get down, two others bots were dead and then Minotaur comes. She kills him alone. Best bot for me.
Still one stupid thing about the ironbreaker but for me was that when i got downed he used his ult and just blocked and never revived me although he had plenty of time for it happend more than 1 time in a row
My footknight earned my respect and its place in the team. At only 1 HP on legend he charged at a patrol, dodged a hookrat and killed an assassin. All at the same time and he got out without a scratch
@@user-rd3ou5ev6o The bots use whatever build you have on them. The career that you used last is what the bot character will go into the mission with. I'm not sure that you get a choice as to what bot characters come with you though
Quick thing I’d add about the waystalker bot is if you are using her make sure to have the talent piercing shot for level 30. The boy AI is surprisingly good at getting headshots and she can put out some insane damage.
Interesting hasn’t thought of trying this. Does she still use it consistently to snipe specials or does she waste it on elites. Also does it do much when it comes to bosses?
Yeah, these placings sound about right. Problem is that the differences between the various heroes and their careers are dwarfed by the weaknesses that bots have as bots. The platforming issues, weird priorities, not sticking to the player, running at specials with drawn range weapons instead of just killing them, taking on monsters wherever they appear, instead of pulling them to open spaces and the absolute inability to function in boss fights (always running into the Halescourge whirwind) etc. I would take the worst bot careers into my party if they didnt suffer from those issues, over the best careers with these problems.
You say that, but my personal experience in Legendary shows me that bots are just more competent than useless players like 75% of the time. They stick together like a team, they don't kill you with friendly fire, they understand how to stay alive, they don't get picked off. There are tons of moments of bots being stupid, sure, but those moments are still lower than with human teammates for some reason.
soon as it started i knew BH would be in Dtier haha "he will die in 5mins" so true he runs around with his ult gun out scurrying round like a headless chicken lol
Unchained, Handmaiden/Waystalker if I'm missing ranged dmg, Witchhunter Captain, Iron breaker and even if not used as bot Mercenary. Worked for me wonderfully in most of my legend runs
I can’t agree with WHC being B tier simply because of his witch hunt passive giving YOU 20% more damage (so long as you remember to tag your enemies). Otherwise I agree with most of this stuff
@@ChefofWar33ye I find that he is useful when you play range heavy(cause you know free ammo) but when you play grail knight for example he is kinda useless
Mercenary and Unchained generate so much THP, it's almost impossible to die. WHC does have a nice crowd control skill and also gives you a dmg boost by pinging enemies. He is suprisingly tanky with rapier. But especially Mercenary with Sister of Thorn does generate ALOT of THP, while SoT does sniper elite very reliably with spears and her skill. A very good combo.
Sister of the Thorn is somehow freaking insane, if a special or elite isn't killed by me, it's likely her and she outperforms the other bots on the leaderboard by 2-4x. Not sure how, but seems somewhat consistently so. (Only recently returned to the game though.)
Thanks for the tips. Now we need a video on how to equip bots. For example I like to give them lmb spam weapons because I think with the mod they will lmb hordes and rmb elites.
I like my merc bot with shield and heal share, sure he will get downed a lot and use all meds available but if you and other bots run boon of shallya the whole team will be near full hp most of the time.
Hey! I was messing around on recruit with bots but had to go afk for 5-10 minutes. When I got back the mission has already ended. Are bots this useless? Like lvl 25 Unchained, lvl 15 Iron Breaker, Foot Knight (yeah, will swap back to Mercenary). With my little experience I can agree with your list.
The thing is if you die with a full team of bots, even if they're all still alive, the mission ends. So you probably went down to an assassin while they were off dealing with hordes, or you got camped by a gas rat they couldn't reach
The glowing illusions can be obtained in 2 ways. First there are the teal/blue/white (I’m colorblind) illusions. These are the red item illusions. So if you get a red item it naturally has this glow to it. If you salvage a red item you can put that illusion on any weapon like the one you broke down. Then there are the purple illusions. These can be bought in the cosmetic shop if you have the bogenhafen dlc I believe.
@@WetMagic I’m curious, do exotic items only drop from legendary emperor vaults or can they actually drop from anything lower? Cause my rng is ass and I never get exotics to begin with
This list is one of the most relatable I have ever seen. My only change is I’d put grail knight in A. He seems to get knocked down in dumb ways like waystalker at times.
Also what ranged weapon do you run on your zealot bot? I appreciated how tanky he was “for a victor bot” but hadn’t really noticed a particularly high level of special kills from him. I’m assuming it’s Bc I prefer repeater crossbow on him when I play zealot instead of BoP like I would run on the other careers and he likes to use it’s spread shot alt fire a lot which obviously isn’t great for sniping far away specials
I HATE Grail Knight. The number of times he's ulted... Held that stupid sword above his head for a good 15 seconds, and then ran full speed into a patrol to use it and died...
Normally the bots you get are the last class you played (there's also a character priority option in config menu), but if you are using the Loadout Mod (which is sanctioned btw), there's a box you can click when you save a loadout (of items, talents, and even cosmetics) called "bot override". What "bot override" will do is to always use that loadout and class with the bot of that character.
I play on cata so no grims for my bots, but I have noticed that some bots are just better than others. My bot setup, which works pretty well is: Merc with exe and handgun. For big thp generation, extra attack speed and crowd control. He is actually pretty decent at staying alive and killing shit. Unchained with flail and bolt staff. For thp generation and cuz she is the tankiest bot after ironbreaker. Ranger veteran with shield and hammer. For thp generation and beer/pots and bombs. Witch hunter with rapier and pistols. For extra crit, crowd control and single target damage. These are in order of priority. Uc and merc stay alive and do some damage, rv and whc are often horizontal. Elf bots are all terrible and will die really fast.
If you set up your bots with "meta" player weapons you are setting yourself up for fail. Bots need weapons with lot of stamina shields. Then they perform significantly better.
I find Zealot to be even more useless than BH. Being a bot he'll heal when under 50% hp, so most of his skills won't ever be useful. His invulnerability is useless, he'll die right after 95% of the time, his ult does nothing at all appart getting him killed and he doesn't kill any more specials than any other bot.
Run natural bond instead of barkskin. If i remember correctly, it will cause bot AI to not heal zealot. This allows you to rely on his damage reduction talents for his tankiness, and temp HP (meaning he works great with a merc or an unchained running the temp HP ult)
My top bots is Unchained and WHC. IB is just useless a lot of the times, to the point he just stands above downed player/other bot and just blocks, without doing anything. I don't like Zealot tho, too often goes yolo with that ult and does some weird shit, same as FK. And, the most controversial opinon - I hate Merc. I dont know what is wrong with this bot, but god damn is he trash. It is the single bot that manages to take so much damage, that all other bots combined with me have less dmg taken. I really dont understand it.
I have a BIG doubt since my first day in Vermintide 2... Hope someone can solve it ;o Does the amount of power you have apply to all bots regardless of the weapon they have? Or they amount of power it's independent..? Why I'm asking this? If I put an increase If I put an increase in power in the talents, will it go up? Or does his power statistic not move because it is determined by the amount I have? And well, I have another lol hope someone read this🤞 will help me a looooot. In some talents it says "headshots", are this just for distance weapons? Or does it also refer to melee..? If u read this, thanks, and I hope you can help me, I only play with bots and I'm trying to have a victory in legend hehe have a good day!! Sorry if my English is bad :p great video by the way!!
Console players like me don’t :( my grail knight is great when he’s alive with that special but man I’m always so surprised at the hits he lets get through
Last I checked the bot improvement mod was no longer working since they dropped engineer, but i have not checked in a few weeks. I did use it all the time however and grail knight was pretty good with it. All of the kruber classes are going to take those kind of hits where they really shouldn’t. As far as whc goes, I’ve found him to be difficult to rely on. I’ve seen him die to a single chaos infantry before. Literally like a one on one where he had no business getting hit. People use him so that they can do more damage from tagging and get extra crit chance though. That’s all.
I dont get it. I take GK because of the buffs and yes he can do a lot of damage to the boss but honestly he sucks. He dies more than any other bot that I bring. For survivability I would put him way down on the list. Damage to bosses, S tier though.
I find he doesn’t die that much if you have the talent where he gets thp after getting hit. I think his damage and what he does for team is pretty invaluable as well. Kruber in general will take alot of damage, but you can build to avoid it with gk.
What weapon you're giving to him? Don't let the GK Bot use the Bret. sword, I noticed that the bot doens't know how to use the charged attack properly with this sword, and will allways get hit trying to block with the charged attack. The best weapon for him is the Exe. Sword, it has excelent CC. If, by mistake i let him with the Bret. sword, he dies almost 5 minutes into the game, guaranted.
Very smart list tbh pretty good analysis but I think putting Bounty Hunter in D tier is wrong, he will die in Legend or Champion almost every time that is a big issue, but he can do more damage than any other character in the game on Bosses (yes more than Grail Knight, Shade etc), you struggle with elites, I struggle with bosses, they die a lot sooner with Bounty Hunter on your team, just like Bounty hunter dies a lot sooner than Zealot, I would still give him a C for being able to delete bosses, but his capacity has a weak cooldown compared to Grail Knight 60sec vs 40sec, I’ve done about 300 runs comparing bots and I swear Bounty Hunter deserve better than D tier, Bots are performing differently every time but you can see some similarities on long range kills for example, Sienna is so powerful at them I strongly advice having Sienna on your team she’s for me S tier, Shade with moonlight is S tier for me too, she does absolutely everything and will survive pretty well most of the time, my best bot team with me playing Shade is Grail Knight, Unchained, and the tanky Bardin, i took Cataclysm Bot builds from Ranalds.gift website for Sienna and Bardin they are working well. Hope I can help someone that wants good bots with this comment
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The only thing about Grail is that he WILL ult and then sprint for that 1 Warpfire 2 miles away.
My favourite bot is ranger veteran with his 30% ammo bags. Oh blessed shot!
Same he holds me down and his temp health ult so useful
My personal favorite has always been mercenary bot with the executioner's sword and just set up to generate as much temp health as possible. He has saved my life more than any other bot. Ironbreaker is great too, but he tends to ult over me and just stand there blocking which often gets me killed faster because of the overhands from elites that he triggers.
I feel that. If merc can stay alive he’s fantastic for sure.
Love my warrior priest as a bot. Every time a hook rat sneaks me he throws the shield on me. Glorious
I like Zealot too, but for me the best is Unchained: She can snipe specials, she can survave hordes and she heals everyone. One time on Legend I get down, two others bots were dead and then Minotaur comes. She kills him alone. Best bot for me.
Definitely one of the best! You’ll hear no argument from me.
Except at times when she holds vent in poison.
@@romamoran1337 which is roughly... every poison globe
Still one stupid thing about the ironbreaker but for me was that when i got downed he used his ult and just blocked and never revived me although he had plenty of time for it happend more than 1 time in a row
This is true he does do that alot, but generally pretty reliable.
Great video! Thank you for all the great Vermintide content you bring! You're really a treasure to the community!
Thank you 😁
My footknight earned my respect and its place in the team. At only 1 HP on legend he charged at a patrol, dodged a hookrat and killed an assassin. All at the same time and he got out without a scratch
I wish you'd also go over the optimal builds and weapons you should put on the bots in order to get the most out of them
I will be doing this in a separate video. Alot of people have requested that.
@@WetMagic Awesome.
Wait what, u dont get to decide what bots you have with what build though?
@@user-rd3ou5ev6o The bots use whatever build you have on them. The career that you used last is what the bot character will go into the mission with. I'm not sure that you get a choice as to what bot characters come with you though
@@WetMagic Nice, thank you so much. There is a guide regarding this on steam but I didn't find it very comprehensive and is now a bit outdated.
I like WHC as a bot to have access to the party wide crit boost on taggable enemy death and tagging for damage.
Quick thing I’d add about the waystalker bot is if you are using her make sure to have the talent piercing shot for level 30. The boy AI is surprisingly good at getting headshots and she can put out some insane damage.
Interesting hasn’t thought of trying this. Does she still use it consistently to snipe specials or does she waste it on elites. Also does it do much when it comes to bosses?
Not only that, it also avoids her to aggro a patrol thanks to a single Gutter Runner.
Yeah, these placings sound about right. Problem is that the differences between the various heroes and their careers are dwarfed by the weaknesses that bots have as bots. The platforming issues, weird priorities, not sticking to the player, running at specials with drawn range weapons instead of just killing them, taking on monsters wherever they appear, instead of pulling them to open spaces and the absolute inability to function in boss fights (always running into the Halescourge whirwind) etc. I would take the worst bot careers into my party if they didnt suffer from those issues, over the best careers with these problems.
100% agree they are programmed terribly. They do soo many dumb things. Even and S tier bot is probably not even half as good as a random.
You say that, but my personal experience in Legendary shows me that bots are just more competent than useless players like 75% of the time. They stick together like a team, they don't kill you with friendly fire, they understand how to stay alive, they don't get picked off.
There are tons of moments of bots being stupid, sure, but those moments are still lower than with human teammates for some reason.
Cool. Thanks for the tier list. I'm a relatively new player and mainly solo.
I love ur vids bro. Awesome work like always.😊
Thank you 👍
Yeah I noticed that my own zealot would out damage me and all my bots sometimes. Great bot indeed
Merry Christmas Wet!!
Merry Christmas 😁
I run outcast engi as a bot some times just because he just has constant seizures but still is able to kill things
BH bot is awesome when it comes to monsters always head shot with his mighty pistol.
Yeah, but when someone kills a special when he activates his ultimate, he will hold it until it sees something good enough to use it.
@@patximartel I've died once because of it, BH bot just stood on top of my bleeding body with his pistol
Anyone else get constant venting noises from the engineer bot? Makes him F tier.
soon as it started i knew BH would be in Dtier haha "he will die in 5mins" so true he runs around with his ult gun out scurrying round like a headless chicken lol
Sick video
Unchained, Handmaiden/Waystalker if I'm missing ranged dmg, Witchhunter Captain, Iron breaker and even if not used as bot Mercenary. Worked for me wonderfully in most of my legend runs
I've got iron breaker as my top bot. With his damage reduction, I can always don't in him to rez people. Unchained with a bolt staff is great too.
Great video
I find that the waystlaker bot always seems to agro patrols with her ult.
If you have a witch hunter bot, can you still tag elites and enemies and stuff for the 20% damage increase?
I can’t agree with WHC being B tier simply because of his witch hunt passive giving YOU 20% more damage (so long as you remember to tag your enemies). Otherwise I agree with most of this stuff
having a bardin bot that isnt ireonbreaker is heresy 😤
But i want to spam shot as BH...
I find that ranger veteran is better. His ultimate is way better and has good team support.
@@ChefofWar33ye I find that he is useful when you play range heavy(cause you know free ammo) but when you play grail knight for example he is kinda useless
Mercenary and Unchained generate so much THP, it's almost impossible to die. WHC does have a nice crowd control skill and also gives you a dmg boost by pinging enemies. He is suprisingly tanky with rapier.
But especially Mercenary with Sister of Thorn does generate ALOT of THP, while SoT does sniper elite very reliably with spears and her skill. A very good combo.
Sister of the Thorn is somehow freaking insane, if a special or elite isn't killed by me, it's likely her and she outperforms the other bots on the leaderboard by 2-4x. Not sure how, but seems somewhat consistently so. (Only recently returned to the game though.)
Thanks for the tips. Now we need a video on how to equip bots. For example I like to give them lmb spam weapons because I think with the mod they will lmb hordes and rmb elites.
I made a video about it a long time ago. These bots are almost invincible: ruclips.net/video/-k9exOKh8Ws/видео.html
Yep I’ll definitely do this.
same as me!
can you do a guide for the best talents and equip traits for bot rank B and A?
Im a bot myself at this game, thanks for the guide
I like my merc bot with shield and heal share, sure he will get downed a lot and use all meds available but if you and other bots run boon of shallya the whole team will be near full hp most of the time.
FINALLY
Hello, is this list up to date?? And were would you put the warrior prist?? Thanks
Best bot depends on who you're playing.
I like Zealot alot...
Merc, Unchained for that sweet sweet THP. Ironbreaker to tank for the team
Nice
Don't sleep on ranger veteran. Clutch with his ammo and smoke bomb
Where would you put Warrior Priest? His double ult talent is nutty
Hey! I was messing around on recruit with bots but had to go afk for 5-10 minutes. When I got back the mission has already ended. Are bots this useless? Like lvl 25 Unchained, lvl 15 Iron Breaker, Foot Knight (yeah, will swap back to Mercenary).
With my little experience I can agree with your list.
The thing is if you die with a full team of bots, even if they're all still alive, the mission ends. So you probably went down to an assassin while they were off dealing with hordes, or you got camped by a gas rat they couldn't reach
While some talents are obvious for bots some are not. Any chance we could get some bot build videos?
I’m sure I could do that at some point.
@@WetMagic thank you.
Weird my Victor bott has been awesome, like took him to chaos wastes and he was just deleting all specials and monsters for me.
I honestly really love waystalker bot
In your runs and build guides your weapons have interesting glowing illusions. Is this a mod or where can this be unlocked?
I haven’t seen his other videos, but I know you get a lot of glowing weapon illusions from doing ranked weaves
The glowing illusions can be obtained in 2 ways. First there are the teal/blue/white (I’m colorblind) illusions. These are the red item illusions. So if you get a red item it naturally has this glow to it. If you salvage a red item you can put that illusion on any weapon like the one you broke down.
Then there are the purple illusions. These can be bought in the cosmetic shop if you have the bogenhafen dlc I believe.
Excellent. Yeah I knew about the purple but that explains the rest. Thanks for the info. Recently subbed and loving the content. Keep it up!
@@WetMagic I’m curious, do exotic items only drop from legendary emperor vaults or can they actually drop from anything lower? Cause my rng is ass and I never get exotics to begin with
They can drop from any chest including commendation chests. Only thing is the more common the chest, the lower the chance of getting a red.
This list is one of the most relatable I have ever seen. My only change is I’d put grail knight in A. He seems to get knocked down in dumb ways like waystalker at times.
Also what ranged weapon do you run on your zealot bot? I appreciated how tanky he was “for a victor bot” but hadn’t really noticed a particularly high level of special kills from him. I’m assuming it’s Bc I prefer repeater crossbow on him when I play zealot instead of BoP like I would run on the other careers and he likes to use it’s spread shot alt fire a lot which obviously isn’t great for sniping far away specials
I always go bop on zealot bot with scrounger. The more ammo he has the more specials he can kill.
I HATE Grail Knight. The number of times he's ulted... Held that stupid sword above his head for a good 15 seconds, and then ran full speed into a patrol to use it and died...
How do you set the class for your bots? i only see the option to select the name of each bot and put them in order but not choose which class
Your bots are set based on what you played and used last with that specific character.
@@WetMagic Ok thanks :)
@@sheltoniousmaximus6117 sure thing.
Normally the bots you get are the last class you played (there's also a character priority option in config menu), but if you are using the Loadout Mod (which is sanctioned btw), there's a box you can click when you save a loadout (of items, talents, and even cosmetics) called "bot override". What "bot override" will do is to always use that loadout and class with the bot of that character.
im a new player and just wondering is this list still true now with new dlc and patches?
@Ozilla I believe it still holds up pretty well
I play on cata so no grims for my bots, but I have noticed that some bots are just better than others. My bot setup, which works pretty well is:
Merc with exe and handgun. For big thp generation, extra attack speed and crowd control. He is actually pretty decent at staying alive and killing shit.
Unchained with flail and bolt staff. For thp generation and cuz she is the tankiest bot after ironbreaker.
Ranger veteran with shield and hammer. For thp generation and beer/pots and bombs.
Witch hunter with rapier and pistols. For extra crit, crowd control and single target damage.
These are in order of priority.
Uc and merc stay alive and do some damage, rv and whc are often horizontal. Elf bots are all terrible and will die really fast.
SotT does really good damage for a bot
Idk how to get sienna as a bot at all. The bots assigned to me are always kerillian, Bardin, kruber or saltzpyre
In the settings, there is priority for bots. Guess which annoying supremacist bot will never show up for me
Merc seems more reliable than GN. Regeneration is cool but somehow he takes far more damage than Merc.
What weapons do you recommend for the bot ironbreaker?
I always go axe and shield and crossbow for him.
If you set up your bots with "meta" player weapons you are setting yourself up for fail. Bots need weapons with lot of stamina shields. Then they perform significantly better.
I find Zealot to be even more useless than BH. Being a bot he'll heal when under 50% hp, so most of his skills won't ever be useful. His invulnerability is useless, he'll die right after 95% of the time, his ult does nothing at all appart getting him killed and he doesn't kill any more specials than any other bot.
Run natural bond instead of barkskin. If i remember correctly, it will cause bot AI to not heal zealot. This allows you to rely on his damage reduction talents for his tankiness, and temp HP (meaning he works great with a merc or an unchained running the temp HP ult)
Need a S+ for SOTT bot
My top bots is Unchained and WHC. IB is just useless a lot of the times, to the point he just stands above downed player/other bot and just blocks, without doing anything. I don't like Zealot tho, too often goes yolo with that ult and does some weird shit, same as FK. And, the most controversial opinon - I hate Merc. I dont know what is wrong with this bot, but god damn is he trash. It is the single bot that manages to take so much damage, that all other bots combined with me have less dmg taken. I really dont understand it.
I have a BIG doubt since my first day in Vermintide 2... Hope someone can solve it ;o
Does the amount of power you have apply to all bots regardless of the weapon they have? Or they amount of power it's independent..?
Why I'm asking this? If I put an increase If I put an increase in power in the talents, will it go up? Or does his power statistic not move because it is determined by the amount I have?
And well, I have another lol hope someone read this🤞 will help me a looooot.
In some talents it says "headshots", are this just for distance weapons? Or does it also refer to melee..?
If u read this, thanks, and I hope you can help me, I only play with bots and I'm trying to have a victory in legend hehe have a good day!!
Sorry if my English is bad :p great video by the way!!
Where would sister of the torn an wp rank wp should be S in my opinion
The outcast engineer is way better than your giving it credit for give him a torpeedo launcher and a cog hammer and he pwns
This was made before the torpedo existed so keep that in mind. Personally I find him to be a bit squishy though.
Why are solo cataclysm players doing vids with witch hunter? Does he really deserves B tier? How is ur GK not dying stupidly, got bot improvement on?
Console players like me don’t :( my grail knight is great when he’s alive with that special but man I’m always so surprised at the hits he lets get through
Last I checked the bot improvement mod was no longer working since they dropped engineer, but i have not checked in a few weeks. I did use it all the time however and grail knight was pretty good with it. All of the kruber classes are going to take those kind of hits where they really shouldn’t.
As far as whc goes, I’ve found him to be difficult to rely on. I’ve seen him die to a single chaos infantry before. Literally like a one on one where he had no business getting hit. People use him so that they can do more damage from tagging and get extra crit chance though. That’s all.
I dont get it. I take GK because of the buffs and yes he can do a lot of damage to the boss but honestly he sucks. He dies more than any other bot that I bring.
For survivability I would put him way down on the list. Damage to bosses, S tier though.
I find he doesn’t die that much if you have the talent where he gets thp after getting hit. I think his damage and what he does for team is pretty invaluable as well. Kruber in general will take alot of damage, but you can build to avoid it with gk.
What weapon you're giving to him? Don't let the GK Bot use the Bret. sword, I noticed that the bot doens't know how to use the charged attack properly with this sword, and will allways get hit trying to block with the charged attack.
The best weapon for him is the Exe. Sword, it has excelent CC.
If, by mistake i let him with the Bret. sword, he dies almost 5 minutes into the game, guaranted.
Give him the executioner sword.
Thank me later.
I’ve seen better grail knight bots than players.
Very smart list tbh pretty good analysis but I think putting Bounty Hunter in D tier is wrong, he will die in Legend or Champion almost every time that is a big issue, but he can do more damage than any other character in the game on Bosses (yes more than Grail Knight, Shade etc), you struggle with elites, I struggle with bosses, they die a lot sooner with Bounty Hunter on your team, just like Bounty hunter dies a lot sooner than Zealot, I would still give him a C for being able to delete bosses, but his capacity has a weak cooldown compared to Grail Knight 60sec vs 40sec, I’ve done about 300 runs comparing bots and I swear Bounty Hunter deserve better than D tier, Bots are performing differently every time but you can see some similarities on long range kills for example, Sienna is so powerful at them I strongly advice having Sienna on your team she’s for me S tier, Shade with moonlight is S tier for me too, she does absolutely everything and will survive pretty well most of the time, my best bot team with me playing Shade is Grail Knight, Unchained, and the tanky Bardin, i took Cataclysm Bot builds from Ranalds.gift website for Sienna and Bardin they are working well. Hope I can help someone that wants good bots with this comment