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Healing takes time, I see that you privated your healing video on the second channel, just know that that video is 1000% PROOF that you survived 100% of your bad days, take care J, we’ll be here for you always
only problem I had w/my azeron and the reason why i don't use it anymore is because I could never figure out where I wanted my key binds to be, could you post your key bind layout in the community tab for those interested? I'm now torn on getting the Cyborg 2 w/the hall effect joystick, or just getting a wooting 60HE...
It is the best since it was possible. For many years now. But the war between these two is making the fusion very difficult and maybe not happening... because compromise always sounds bad to people for some reason.
@@Redmentoos because there are always considerations to be made especially looking at tan average user. And there aare near on endless examples of trying to please multiple nichies or crowds or concepts ultimately to fall flat and or fail at both entirely. A passion project or a side experimental piece> sure. for general user market would you see yourself investing? Plus selling this to a new user who probably already has somthing at home that works fine not seeking the best just wanting to play games. This targets a specific group of people and there in the casuals who buy it cause its the cool gamer keyboards and they saw some streamer or pro gamer using it. Its a very specific item amnd there in expensive investment for somthing you might only do just to do casually. You have somthing... that... Im uncertain off. Granted i can only stretch as far as my limiter perview allows. ultimately I have no real idea if itd be a worht while upgrade. I do love cool gimmicky items or well not necisarily gimmicky if they have thier use... anfd actually work well at it. Things like a trackball mouse using my thumb to navigat windows instead of whipping about a mouse has been game changing. and just fine since I don't play Too many fast paced shooters that require quick scope aim and fancy maneuvers.and even if Im in an enviroment that supports it ultimately Im jus doin whats fun. I dont take it too serious until I die to that sniper on the other side of the map between two trains a window and a stair case. That just feels effin personal.
Btw, as SolarLight mentions in his Controller video, if you have a controller with a gyroscope and enable flick stick you can do a lot with just a controller. You aim precisely by moving your controller, and you can spin and flick using the right stick for example. Now you can avoid a lot of the simultaneous controller and keyboard input issues in some games. I think you can even enable this stuff directly through steam rather than the game having to support it.
I have tried this but I found it extremely difficult to get used to to the point where it didnt seem possible. should i have just given it more time or what
The gameplay clip starting at 6:00 felt like old school RUclips. Good vibes, fun, MUSIC. Just an enjoyable atmosphere all around. I've never watched a video from you before but just the joy from that segment earns a like and sub
Aiming with a mouse is pretty intuitive, but since I mostly play on controller, I often fumble the movements, this really is looking like the best of both worlds to me
@@MarioMario-vy4bi Yeah, gyro is rad. Even more intuitive than mouse for me (as someone who grew up using a mouse). The bad part is that it's a pain to set up if the game doesn't have native gyro support, I really hope it becomes more widespread.
Sensitivity. Acceleration. Aim Assist. Ramp-Up curve (goes along with acceleration) Those are the things that you can tweak. Personally I enjoy being able to flick.
burst into a smile when i saw this vid pop up in my sub feed, absolutely love what you create. audibly gasped when i saw that first rocket strafe lmao, fantastic video
I've had mine for over 4 years upgraded to the cyborg after the first 2 years. I only use my keyboard to type in chat while gaming. It's completely changed my love for games I put down in the past due to wrist pain. The only bad thing I would say is sometimes the screws get loose over time but it's easy to tighten everything and adjust angles to your liking. Also sometimes if you pull too hard on the claw grip areas it will lift up if your using the optional angle stand.
i feel like this is the same way i felt when for a few month period i could only use ps4 gyro. the freeing power that analog gives is insane, even with the quirk of gyro being hard to master. analong feels like the raw input having a mouse gives with 360 degree angles and it's super cool imo, and genuinely viable, i use to COOK other players still. it's just not my favorite way to play tho
@@Heat2234 You can it comes with 3 stick heads with different textures that just pop right off. Its held in with magnets at least the one I have does that. And no i have never had the stick fall off while gaming. Also if any button or part breaks you can just buy the part off their website and easily replace it yourself. They are very repair-friendly but nothing on mine has ever broken and i have been using it constantly for like 3 years.
dude i missed you, your videos are some of what i consider some of the best on the platform and your ability to talk about the topics youre showing off on an extremely visceral level makes your videos stand out so much man. I just love all of your stuff and your mental heath videos helped me understand a lot of myself aswell. I really hope you stick around for the long run but even if you choose not to, your catalogue will keep me around for a very long time. this is definitely one of your best videos and i hope you get better.
I'm glad I waited two years for this video. You've just opened my mind about what is possible with analog movement, and now I feel so limited with just my bare keyboard. Incredible video as you always do, it feels like Funorange's content but for FPS games.
damn i was going to put this in the corner while i do other stuff, but you're video format was so captivating I hadn't realized I'm already 80% of the way through it! great video
It's very interesting to see this and the heights that you've taken it. Coming from the Space Sim and FPS background, I was at a weird crossroad when I started playing Star Citizen 3-4 years ago. I was so used to M+KB for everything, yet, I couldn't get the precise flight characteristics I wanted from that. Dual flightsticks was the norm, and while I loved the idea, it was pricey and not space efficient for my apartment. I also heard that some of the most skilled pvp pilots flew M+KB. But SC supported simultaneous input, and that's when I decided to use a mouse for aiming, but a flightstick for my other controls (HOSAM). It even has an analog thumb stick I have bound for walking in first person! The setup is so convenient, accessible, and yet potent I haven't thought about going dual stick. Initially I was skeptical of this game pad, considered it only for mmo type games, but seeing you take it to a new height with competitive shooters, well, now I'm very interested in it again.
Welcome back!! I've always missed the movement when I switched from PS4 to controller, having access to that 360 degrees movement was so nice, I get stuck on map geometry and doors way more since switching to PC.
this is INSANELY strong in apex with tap-strafing, allowing you to neostrafe/yukastrafe (basically your orbital strafe while bhoping around and can be enhanced with an octane stim or any speed ability) way more consistently than anyone once you master it, i'm really thinking about buying one to test it out myself
Oh god I see what's going on with the Orbital Straif. In effect, it's just a regular airstraifing, but you're removing the middle man, which is the mouse, by using a Joystick instead of a Mouse. As the purpouse of turning the mouse is to produce that smooth gradual change in direction, like that of a *_Joystick_* , something the keyboard can't produce dues to being limited by 8 direction. With a Joystick, you natrually produce this smoothness, so the whole moving your mouse to airstraife is redundant, and like you showed, frees up your mouse to, you know, aim at the enemy gamer. Now you still need to pay atention to where you're moving to airstraif properly, the basic rules still apply even if you don't need the mouse anymore, so it's not like you can helicopter around and avoid all airshots, or spin the joystick around to acheive infinite speed, but the fact stands that you're going to have a leg up against those who doesn't have a Joystick + Mouse combo. Even without airstrafing there's a decent amount of advantage to having better mobility than Keyboard players.
Something I use is called the Lynxware CAT It feels pretty good but it's not perfect, there's definitely some changes I'd like such as sightly bigger buttons, better quality buttons with no texture, and a hall effect analog stick. Otherwise it feels really good
Azeron has all the things you mentioned - bigger buttons, hall effect joystick, 50million omron switches and possibility to put on grip tape on buttons
I've been dying for somebody to make this video for years. You hit all the points so well and TF2 is perfect for showcasing why this can be so effective, even if you don't need the extra buttons. I've just bought an Azeron specifically for Deadlock--I have a feeling Deadlock's movement tech + need for many buttons will make it shine
Dude I’m honestly your biggest fan man I’ve missed you so much. I grew up on your content. I appreciate you uploading I haven’t even realized till now cause RUclips didn’t even show me your video. Thankyou so much for all the amazing content you make. I appreciate the thought process that you put into your videos.
Small correction on the "why controller input is considered inferior" section: In Apex in particular, most of the high-level movement techs rely on a game mechanic known as "lurch," which is only applied when using a keyboard for movement. Most movement techs are physically impossible to perform with an analogue stick, simply because the game behaves fundamentally differently when using analogue movement inputs as opposed to digital ones.
is this really true though? how did the old movement configs work that roller players were using and how are some of them able to tap strafe with just a controller? i mention that it's a limitation of binds because i thought it was more about how it's physically not possible to input that many lurch inputs during the window without a scroll wheel or something similar, rather than the game handling analog input fundamentally differently
I don't know if all config users did this, but I know some would map their controller inputs to keyboard inputs and then use configs to do things like tap strafe or neo strafe.
@@pinguefy they would use Steam configs to make their controller send WASD, which would then get lurched. Apex recently patched this to disable lurch entirely when controller input of any kind is registering afaik
My reaction to this was "Oh my god, a keyboard with an analog stick that fits on the hand? I am interested!" Then I saw the price, lol. Anyways, good video! Nice to see pinguefy back.
@@pinguefy Thanks king, good to know you're willing to correct yourself. By the way, have you heard about this book, "Ultralearning"? Sounds somewhat like what you do to an extent. You should check it out! It's by Scott Young.
hoooooooly i just decided to check back up on you because i saw a video of yours in my watch later list and daaaaamn i can't believe it's been 2 years. I always loved watching your videos. Nice to see you're doing good.
That snap at 6:50 looks like blatant aimbot. Your hand comes to a stop while the crosshair is to the left of the enemy, and while you're not moving your hand it bounces back and snaps onto the enemy. Micro adjustments like that are not possible, not to mention the way it snaps when watching frame by frame. The device seems interesting, though.
thank you for the compliment haha i'm using an hsk pro (tiny 24g fingertip mouse) which allows me to microadjust making tiny movements with my fingers. it's also funny you pick that clip because i was using my desk as a mousepad, with two ceramic skates and two sapphire watch lenses as skates LMAO
@@pinguefy Yeah, I don't know. I instantly paused when I saw that and had to go frame by frame because my CS Overwatch sense started tingling, looked very typical even at normal speed. Crazy snap if legit though.
You're correct. I've looked at this video for about 30 minutes to try to justify some of the things that are easily detectable, and while some of them you could say "sure maybe," there are clear cases where it's simply not human behavior. Especially given that there are comparators in the same video montage from game to game where natural aim is occurring and also that there are hand cams at times where the synchronization between the movements is completely desynced with what is happening in game. Not at a level that would be explainable through latency differences because "streaming" or whatever would cause the discrepancy.
We have now broken past the skill ceiling with different hardware. The over-competitiveness of gaming culture is ruining the fun of games for everybody else, but I bet you get to have fun.
No way bro, gaming culture has always been this way and this aspect of it has always been fun unless you prefer stagnation over progression. EOMM is what's ruining the fun and making you feel like it's overly competitive. It's artificial. Instead of fair matches, you're getting matched up by an algorithm designed to keep everyone playing the longest. That means you're the stomper when the algorithm is worried you'll quit after another bad game, and the stompee when the algorithm needs to let someone else win.
@@elibeeblebrox1084 Getting shit on by somebody doing shit I’ve never seen before by using different hardware than me is NOT FUN, except watching the video over again I’ve come to the conclusion that I could easily beat anybody playing like this
my man u are insane. this is the first vid i watched (i think) and ur destroying ppl on some foreign alien keyboard thing. Keep up the good work. I wish i could have ur aim (withought practice tho)
welcome back pingu! been watching since high school and I'm at college now lmao, you're one of my main influences in my hobbies and various interest as how relatable you are with myself, I hope you're doing better behind the scenes and find that spark to make content again!
@@pinguefy because of you I got into pen spinning, balisong, enthusiast mouse, and got into the hhkb topre hype. I even tried different keyboard layouts lmao
As casual mobile player for most fps games for mostly performance and convenience, I really like the stick style movement. You can still walk slowly and quickly at any direction without the need of extra buttons, giving you more screen room and making something like walking or strafing an easier habit then if you had a button to run and a dpad to strafe, already using 2 fingers to utilize out of your 4+ finger grip.
GUNDAM EVOLUTION MENTIONED. BIG W. Fun fact, since you've last uploaded, I took my entrance exams and got into medical school, so its wild to see you upload again. Cheers from an M1
first video of yours that ive watched, and man is it a really good one. i dont even play fps games but the way you explain it is so engaging and accessible along with the editing going crazy. definitely looking forward to whats next
i love seeing weird experimental playstyles, but this one really has so much potential, it's literally the best of both worlds while not having too much of a learning curve. also would love to see more people experiment with analog keyboards for controller-like inputs in specific games, i'd imagine thats more practical for many other games, as compared to an entirely new keypad (tho analog functionality with keyboards seem to be pretty controversial in competitive play? still think its rly cool) also welcome back after 2 years wow its been a while
THANK YOU. I recently bought pc last month and I never play M&C and was really struggling with the key board so I’ve been holding a controller in one hand and it actually feels really nice. The price tag is what really didn’t want to spend that without knowing these exact types of things. Great video!
Thanks for showcasing this, it caught my attention a while ago. Love the fact you're an actually good FPS player and showed the new advanced movement possibilities. I considered this because of the idea of being able to naturally counterstrafe diagonal movements in CS, but being able to keep aim tracking while air strafing is enormous. I probably would have loved this for Chivalry 1, there was a controller player who was able to sprint nearly sideways.
RAAAH IM SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK !!! i rewatch your video about aiming more than most videos just because i love the process of someone having a question, spending the time to answer that question, and being so damn good at what they do because of that dedication. you're sick i hope to see more of you in the future!
@@pinguefy do you ever plan on making a discord server? perhaps once you develop a more consistent streaming habit? or do you think it'd be something that's too much of a hassle, or somewhere in between?
this video is top 1 video i have watched in the past 5 years the level of "holy shit" i reached watching you keystrsfe with an analog stick will never be replicated
good to see u back goat. glad you’re doing better enough to make vids again. I know its been brought up a couple of times but I’d love to hear your thoughts if you ever try out gyro controls, even if its just like a community post saying “I think gyro is stinky”
The biggest advantage, imo, is being able to use all 4 of your other fingers for buttons without compromising your movement. Leaning with Q and E in milsim shooters is SO much more usable and intuitive when you don't have to do the awkward fat finger strafe to use it. Not to mention games that have driving in them are suddenly playable with a mouse and keyboard without any compromise. If you combine a foot pedal controller for analog trigger control, you've basically got a perfect one-size-fits all setup for literally anything other than flight sim games and games where you've gotta map controller to keyboard or via-versa because it'll only use one at a time.
Damn I just came across you annotating an aim theory video a couple weeks ago and then this comes out now. Glad this still popped on my feed after all this time.
I recall trying to play L4D2 with an Xbox controller in my let hand and a mouse in my right eons ago. I didn't play a lot with this setup, as I did it as a proof of concept and that it was one of my first games I spent time on learning to play the 'superior and prolific m&kb'. I merely proved that my accuracy was the same as with a controller, but I was 20% faster with a mouse, and that you can change the controls in L4D2 to support mouse, keyboard, and controller simultaneously via a manually-edited .ini file. But this video is the natural evolution of the that rabbit hole I glanced down and didn't spend the time exploring, despite my desires. It kinda makes me regret not going ham on games I enjoyed to make that control scheme work. I might get that keyboard myself, now.
Gen X here, so arcade joysticks make a lot more sense to my brain. I started playing TF2 almost a year ago and hated using a keyboard for movement, so I built a joystick setup using a cheap stick with a trigger and a top button. While I was way smoother at movement, it was far too slow to transition a whole hand around for strafing. So, i found a usb adapter for the Wii nunchuk. The nunchuk for movement with the two buttons for jumping and crouching is an absolute dream. Now, if I could just get gud.
i hope more people came and saw it, its truly an interesting subject since the major pc is keyboard input and its literally a rare/niche subject preference.
Hi pinguefy, glad you're alive xd. Funnily enough I was thinking of advantages to movement with analog numerous times over the years, and even experimented with it by using controller for movement and mouse for aiming in Apex for sometime. It's a gimmick, but with magnetic switches boom, rn I'm thinking that they will evolve to something inbetween, you get what I mean? Like how "hard" you press on wasd is at what angle you go. Like W+A is 45 angle, but if you press W or A less, it will change the angle. Also the "analog movement speed change". Hope my weird sentence construction is not that hard to read.
It's great to see more people finally recognize the analog stick as something more than just a controller thing. A lot of PC gamers write off controllers cuz, y'know, "pc mAsTeR RaCe," but there's so much potential left to discover with analog sticks. I don't even think sticks are bad to aim with. People just don't take the time to get with them. Is it as good as mouse? No, obviously, but it can contend with them at higher skill levels.
I used my first gen for about 2 years until the keys started to malfunction, it's a 3d printed lativian product so not bad for how much use I used it during its lifespan. Honestly I would highly recommend, I mainly used it for fortnite where it really shines with how many binds there are and the advantages of analog movement. Not only did it present some major advantages but it really is a new way to play, it's a learning curve but the new options it presents are a lot of fun to figure out in a game you think you already know
BRO you are always influencing me this time I'm finally predicting you I picked up alt layouts and a dactyl after your vids, and I was already thinking about a cyro lmao
so glad to see your love of tf2 persists like it does for so many of us. if analog movement got more popular i wonder how it would change rocket/sticky jumping tech and jump maps. would be cool for the speedrunners to explore
*hi, it’s been a minute! i’m thinking about creating a bit more again.*
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PLEASE POST MAN, I CANT KEEP LIVING OFF OF VOLTAIC LIKE THIS
I'm glad that
A: one of my favorite creators is back
B: his mental health is doing a bit better
Healing takes time, I see that you privated your healing video on the second channel, just know that that video is 1000% PROOF that you survived 100% of your bad days, take care J, we’ll be here for you always
@@kayashkel3862 thank u
only problem I had w/my azeron and the reason why i don't use it anymore is because I could never figure out where I wanted my key binds to be, could you post your key bind layout in the community tab for those interested? I'm now torn on getting the Cyborg 2 w/the hall effect joystick, or just getting a wooting 60HE...
Analog movement with mouse for aim is such a genius yet simple idea.
It is the best since it was possible. For many years now. But the war between these two is making the fusion very difficult and maybe not happening... because compromise always sounds bad to people for some reason.
that's why I use a wooting keyboard
It's only like 15 years old too
@@Redmentoos because there are always considerations to be made especially looking at tan average user.
And there aare near on endless examples of trying to please multiple nichies or crowds or concepts ultimately to fall flat and or fail at both entirely. A passion project or a side experimental piece> sure. for general user market would you see yourself investing?
Plus selling this to a new user who probably already has somthing at home that works fine not seeking the best just wanting to play games. This targets a specific group of people and there in the casuals who buy it cause its the cool gamer keyboards and they saw some streamer or pro gamer using it.
Its a very specific item amnd there in expensive investment for somthing you might only do just to do casually. You have somthing... that... Im uncertain off.
Granted i can only stretch as far as my limiter perview allows. ultimately I have no real idea if itd be a worht while upgrade. I do love cool gimmicky items or well not necisarily gimmicky if they have thier use... anfd actually work well at it.
Things like a trackball mouse using my thumb to navigat windows instead of whipping about a mouse has been game changing. and just fine since I don't play Too many fast paced shooters that require quick scope aim and fancy maneuvers.and even if Im in an enviroment that supports it ultimately Im jus doin whats fun. I dont take it too serious until I die to that sniper on the other side of the map between two trains a window and a stair case. That just feels effin personal.
People have been doing it with an actual controller in one hand and a mouse in the other for years. This is the next step
It's been TWO YEARS?? Damn.
scary thought x_x
@@pinguefythis is somehow feels much more than 2 years, tbh. :D
@@pinguefyAnd I've been waiting two years....
Bro just remembered his yt account password 😂
Sheesh
The strafe just looks so wrong after putting so much time into TF2... had no idea that was even possible
Btw, as SolarLight mentions in his Controller video, if you have a controller with a gyroscope and enable flick stick you can do a lot with just a controller.
You aim precisely by moving your controller, and you can spin and flick using the right stick for example. Now you can avoid a lot of the simultaneous controller and keyboard input issues in some games. I think you can even enable this stuff directly through steam rather than the game having to support it.
I have tried this but I found it extremely difficult to get used to to the point where it didnt seem possible. should i have just given it more time or what
The gameplay clip starting at 6:00 felt like old school RUclips. Good vibes, fun, MUSIC. Just an enjoyable atmosphere all around.
I've never watched a video from you before but just the joy from that segment earns a like and sub
we're so fucking back
LET'S GO
Aiming with a mouse is pretty intuitive, but since I mostly play on controller, I often fumble the movements, this really is looking like the best of both worlds to me
Try using gyro to aim.
@@MarioMario-vy4bi Yeah, gyro is rad. Even more intuitive than mouse for me (as someone who grew up using a mouse). The bad part is that it's a pain to set up if the game doesn't have native gyro support, I really hope it becomes more widespread.
Sensitivity. Acceleration. Aim Assist.
Ramp-Up curve (goes along with acceleration)
Those are the things that you can tweak.
Personally I enjoy being able to flick.
@@MarioMario-vy4biyeah in the 3 games that even support it, all of which do so difficultly
@@Kero-zc5tcwith steam input you can set it up for anything no?
burst into a smile when i saw this vid pop up in my sub feed, absolutely love what you create. audibly gasped when i saw that first rocket strafe lmao, fantastic video
LOL that's awesome, i was worried it wouldn't be a big enough moment
BRO SAME
i was laying down and i almost stood up when this popped into my feed. god bless youtube algorithm on the few times it actually works.
I've had mine for over 4 years upgraded to the cyborg after the first 2 years. I only use my keyboard to type in chat while gaming. It's completely changed my love for games I put down in the past due to wrist pain. The only bad thing I would say is sometimes the screws get loose over time but it's easy to tighten everything and adjust angles to your liking. Also sometimes if you pull too hard on the claw grip areas it will lift up if your using the optional angle stand.
i feel like this is the same way i felt when for a few month period i could only use ps4 gyro. the freeing power that analog gives is insane, even with the quirk of gyro being hard to master. analong feels like the raw input having a mouse gives with 360 degree angles and it's super cool imo, and genuinely viable, i use to COOK other players still. it's just not my favorite way to play tho
Love how the rubber is so worn out on the stick, showing just how often pinguefy uses it
LOL
Did you notice the cat fluff land near it at the end
Be nice if they make one easier to just pop in and out the stick
@@spedmonie416😂😂😂😂😂 I lost it when I saw that
@@Heat2234 You can it comes with 3 stick heads with different textures that just pop right off. Its held in with magnets at least the one I have does that. And no i have never had the stick fall off while gaming. Also if any button or part breaks you can just buy the part off their website and easily replace it yourself. They are very repair-friendly but nothing on mine has ever broken and i have been using it constantly for like 3 years.
literally last month i was watching your tf2 video thinking "man it sucks this guy doesn't make videos anymore", glad to see you're back
dude i missed you, your videos are some of what i consider some of the best on the platform and your ability to talk about the topics youre showing off on an extremely visceral level makes your videos stand out so much man. I just love all of your stuff and your mental heath videos helped me understand a lot of myself aswell. I really hope you stick around for the long run but even if you choose not to, your catalogue will keep me around for a very long time. this is definitely one of your best videos and i hope you get better.
tysm this is a really sweet comment c:
@@WaffleWithNoToppings same here honestly
I'm glad I waited two years for this video. You've just opened my mind about what is possible with analog movement, and now I feel so limited with just my bare keyboard. Incredible video as you always do, it feels like Funorange's content but for FPS games.
I literally subscribed yesterday and was sad to see you hadn't uploaded in 2 years. we are so back.
aw thank u :D
damn i was going to put this in the corner while i do other stuff, but you're video format was so captivating I hadn't realized I'm already 80% of the way through it! great video
high praise ty :D
he finally remembered his channels password
good
Nice to see you’re still alive and well pingu praying the best for you man 🤙🏽
It's very interesting to see this and the heights that you've taken it. Coming from the Space Sim and FPS background, I was at a weird crossroad when I started playing Star Citizen 3-4 years ago. I was so used to M+KB for everything, yet, I couldn't get the precise flight characteristics I wanted from that. Dual flightsticks was the norm, and while I loved the idea, it was pricey and not space efficient for my apartment. I also heard that some of the most skilled pvp pilots flew M+KB. But SC supported simultaneous input, and that's when I decided to use a mouse for aiming, but a flightstick for my other controls (HOSAM). It even has an analog thumb stick I have bound for walking in first person! The setup is so convenient, accessible, and yet potent I haven't thought about going dual stick. Initially I was skeptical of this game pad, considered it only for mmo type games, but seeing you take it to a new height with competitive shooters, well, now I'm very interested in it again.
Welcome back!! I've always missed the movement when I switched from PS4 to controller, having access to that 360 degrees movement was so nice, I get stuck on map geometry and doors way more since switching to PC.
I'm glad new music is so easy to find, Thorn to Liver's, 'Hold on You' is a great listen. It's a good share.
Glad you're back
"I wonder how it would play with the fina-
6:25
FUCK IT I'M GETTING IT
it's actually quite good in that game, you prolly don't need an azeron but analog movement feels nice
Analog + mouse is great. I used to run it by having my controller in one hand and the mouse in the other.
It is a bit buggy though.
this is INSANELY strong in apex with tap-strafing, allowing you to neostrafe/yukastrafe (basically your orbital strafe while bhoping around and can be enhanced with an octane stim or any speed ability) way more consistently than anyone once you master it, i'm really thinking about buying one to test it out myself
i wouldn't buy it for apex, sadly they put a hard stop on simultaneous input to combat ximming
Oh god I see what's going on with the Orbital Straif. In effect, it's just a regular airstraifing, but you're removing the middle man, which is the mouse, by using a Joystick instead of a Mouse. As the purpouse of turning the mouse is to produce that smooth gradual change in direction, like that of a *_Joystick_* , something the keyboard can't produce dues to being limited by 8 direction. With a Joystick, you natrually produce this smoothness, so the whole moving your mouse to airstraife is redundant, and like you showed, frees up your mouse to, you know, aim at the enemy gamer.
Now you still need to pay atention to where you're moving to airstraif properly, the basic rules still apply even if you don't need the mouse anymore, so it's not like you can helicopter around and avoid all airshots, or spin the joystick around to acheive infinite speed, but the fact stands that you're going to have a leg up against those who doesn't have a Joystick + Mouse combo. Even without airstrafing there's a decent amount of advantage to having better mobility than Keyboard players.
yep!! well deduced and explained ^^
but can you wiggle (ADAD) with the joystick as quickly as with keyboard? Doubt it
@@Mido_ But that keypad got many of its own additional keys. You can bind A and D keys on it and strafe using those when needed. Problem solved.
This felt like an entire documentary somehow cohesively condensed into 10 minutes. Amazing video
5:15 funny enough this is actually a cheat called auto-strafe, although it's at much faster speeds. cool seeing its possible legit tho
that's rly funny haha
This brings me joy, both the subject of the video and the fact that you have uploaded again. its been too long.
The movement edit starting at 3:44 is insanely smooth. so happy to randomly come back to your channel and find you've posted something again :D
thank u :D
0:19 nice homura bro
Something I use is called the Lynxware CAT
It feels pretty good but it's not perfect, there's definitely some changes I'd like such as sightly bigger buttons, better quality buttons with no texture, and a hall effect analog stick.
Otherwise it feels really good
that thing looks crazy!!
With all of those changes, Id use that as my gaming board instantly
Azeron has all the things you mentioned - bigger buttons, hall effect joystick, 50million omron switches and possibility to put on grip tape on buttons
holy shit I missed your content so much, you're the entire reason why I use mouse accel
I've been dying for somebody to make this video for years. You hit all the points so well and TF2 is perfect for showcasing why this can be so effective, even if you don't need the extra buttons. I've just bought an Azeron specifically for Deadlock--I have a feeling Deadlock's movement tech + need for many buttons will make it shine
Dude I’m honestly your biggest fan man I’ve missed you so much. I grew up on your content. I appreciate you uploading I haven’t even realized till now cause RUclips didn’t even show me your video. Thankyou so much for all the amazing content you make. I appreciate the thought process that you put into your videos.
tysm :>
Small correction on the "why controller input is considered inferior" section: In Apex in particular, most of the high-level movement techs rely on a game mechanic known as "lurch," which is only applied when using a keyboard for movement. Most movement techs are physically impossible to perform with an analogue stick, simply because the game behaves fundamentally differently when using analogue movement inputs as opposed to digital ones.
roller players are sleeping on the foot pedals for mashing out W inputs,,
is this really true though? how did the old movement configs work that roller players were using and how are some of them able to tap strafe with just a controller? i mention that it's a limitation of binds because i thought it was more about how it's physically not possible to input that many lurch inputs during the window without a scroll wheel or something similar, rather than the game handling analog input fundamentally differently
I don't know if all config users did this, but I know some would map their controller inputs to keyboard inputs and then use configs to do things like tap strafe or neo strafe.
Lurches *are* doable on controller, but you need a VERY fast flick. With this having bindable keys though... Lurch away.
@@pinguefy they would use Steam configs to make their controller send WASD, which would then get lurched. Apex recently patched this to disable lurch entirely when controller input of any kind is registering afaik
My reaction to this was "Oh my god, a keyboard with an analog stick that fits on the hand? I am interested!"
Then I saw the price, lol. Anyways, good video! Nice to see pinguefy back.
LOL there are other options you could go for like the razer tartarus, thank u :D
@@pinguefy FYI the "stick" on the tararus is actually a d-pad, essentially.
@@colbyboucher6391 noooo, say it ain't so :( tysm for this info i have been giving a lot of bad recs then, appreciate it a lot!!
@@pinguefy Thanks king, good to know you're willing to correct yourself. By the way, have you heard about this book, "Ultralearning"? Sounds somewhat like what you do to an extent. You should check it out! It's by Scott Young.
@@aleks4431 thanks for the rec i'll have a look!
2:25 HOLY FUCK IT'S COCAINE DIESEL!
aha cheers!
that source movement is crazy, +strafe turns without having to give up aiming is pretty huge
hoooooooly i just decided to check back up on you because i saw a video of yours in my watch later list and daaaaamn i can't believe it's been 2 years. I always loved watching your videos. Nice to see you're doing good.
That snap at 6:50 looks like blatant aimbot. Your hand comes to a stop while the crosshair is to the left of the enemy, and while you're not moving your hand it bounces back and snaps onto the enemy. Micro adjustments like that are not possible, not to mention the way it snaps when watching frame by frame. The device seems interesting, though.
thank you for the compliment haha
i'm using an hsk pro (tiny 24g fingertip mouse) which allows me to microadjust making tiny movements with my fingers.
it's also funny you pick that clip because i was using my desk as a mousepad, with two ceramic skates and two sapphire watch lenses as skates LMAO
actually in that case it might just be the bounciness resulting from trying to stop a very fast flick with a bit of tension
@@pinguefy Yeah, I don't know. I instantly paused when I saw that and had to go frame by frame because my CS Overwatch sense started tingling, looked very typical even at normal speed. Crazy snap if legit though.
@@SN-eb4hk thank u :> sometimes u just send em where you think you're getting shot from and get lucky in that game haha
You're correct. I've looked at this video for about 30 minutes to try to justify some of the things that are easily detectable, and while some of them you could say "sure maybe," there are clear cases where it's simply not human behavior. Especially given that there are comparators in the same video montage from game to game where natural aim is occurring and also that there are hand cams at times where the synchronization between the movements is completely desynced with what is happening in game. Not at a level that would be explainable through latency differences because "streaming" or whatever would cause the discrepancy.
6:55 femboy spotted
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@@pinguefy :3
We have now broken past the skill ceiling with different hardware. The over-competitiveness of gaming culture is ruining the fun of games for everybody else, but I bet you get to have fun.
No way bro, gaming culture has always been this way and this aspect of it has always been fun unless you prefer stagnation over progression.
EOMM is what's ruining the fun and making you feel like it's overly competitive. It's artificial. Instead of fair matches, you're getting matched up by an algorithm designed to keep everyone playing the longest. That means you're the stomper when the algorithm is worried you'll quit after another bad game, and the stompee when the algorithm needs to let someone else win.
@@elibeeblebrox1084 Getting shit on by somebody doing shit I’ve never seen before by using different hardware than me is NOT FUN, except watching the video over again I’ve come to the conclusion that I could easily beat anybody playing like this
This is the Most eye opening Video about movement in Gaming and alternative Input devices I‘ve ever Seen. You really made my day.
thank u :D
my man u are insane. this is the first vid i watched (i think) and ur destroying ppl on some foreign alien keyboard thing. Keep up the good work. I wish i could have ur aim (withought practice tho)
welcome back pingu! been watching since high school and I'm at college now lmao, you're one of my main influences in my hobbies and various interest as how relatable you are with myself, I hope you're doing better behind the scenes and find that spark to make content again!
thank you c: what kinda hobbies have u gotten into?
@@pinguefy because of you I got into pen spinning, balisong, enthusiast mouse, and got into the hhkb topre hype. I even tried different keyboard layouts lmao
@@eris-cs i love that haha, ty for the comment :3
As casual mobile player for most fps games for mostly performance and convenience, I really like the stick style movement. You can still walk slowly and quickly at any direction without the need of extra buttons, giving you more screen room and making something like walking or strafing an easier habit then if you had a button to run and a dpad to strafe, already using 2 fingers to utilize out of your 4+ finger grip.
GUNDAM EVOLUTION MENTIONED. BIG W. Fun fact, since you've last uploaded, I took my entrance exams and got into medical school, so its wild to see you upload again. Cheers from an M1
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HOLY SHIT HE'S BACK! I LITERALLY CHECKED YOUR CHANNEL A FEW DAYS AGO WONDERING WHERE YOU'VE BEEN
glad to see you back! I came about your channel because of split keyboards, now I stick around because your content is well crafted
take your time
WE SO BACKKKKKK!!!! I keep checking in every month or so and you FINALLY UPLOADED LESGOOO
I swear, the best kind of youtube videos come from your channel. Educational/Interesting plus awesome clips! Keep uploading man!
thank you!
first video of yours that ive watched, and man is it a really good one. i dont even play fps games but the way you explain it is so engaging and accessible along with the editing going crazy. definitely looking forward to whats next
tysm!!
i love seeing weird experimental playstyles, but this one really has so much potential, it's literally the best of both worlds while not having too much of a learning curve.
also would love to see more people experiment with analog keyboards for controller-like inputs in specific games, i'd imagine thats more practical for many other games, as compared to an entirely new keypad (tho analog functionality with keyboards seem to be pretty controversial in competitive play? still think its rly cool)
also welcome back after 2 years wow its been a while
Congrats! I bought one of these a few years ago but I couldn't adapt to it so now it sits on my shelf as a conversation piece.
I was thinking about this channel recently 🥹 so happy you’re back.
after all this time, i still love your calm commentary and hope you'll be making content again!
best wishes to you
*Laughs in Thrustmaster Tactical Keyboard (20+ years and still going strong).
you know this one’s been cooking for a while when it’s using clips from that gundam fps
I was thinking about your channel just the other day! Good to see you back
Welcome back! Your soothing voice informing me of cool keyboards and movement shooter tech is exactly what I need to end my day
THANK YOU. I recently bought pc last month and I never play M&C and was really struggling with the key board so I’ve been holding a controller in one hand and it actually feels really nice. The price tag is what really didn’t want to spend that without knowing these exact types of things. Great video!
np! you could also look into the maxxstick if you are interested in only the analog side of the device
Thanks for showcasing this, it caught my attention a while ago. Love the fact you're an actually good FPS player and showed the new advanced movement possibilities. I considered this because of the idea of being able to naturally counterstrafe diagonal movements in CS, but being able to keep aim tracking while air strafing is enormous. I probably would have loved this for Chivalry 1, there was a controller player who was able to sprint nearly sideways.
that's so cool!! i used to love chiv 1 haha
ASMR narration to banging music, then back. Dude, you gave me acoustical whiplash.
sory i will do better next time
THE LEGEND IS BACK, keep you head up pinguefy id always recommend your videos to my friends we need you here !!!
Glad to see you back 💖
You genuinely make some of the greatest videos on this platform :)
aw thank u c:
HES BACK
I remember your video about the split keyboard and the rhythmic typing montage that pulled me in. Loved your videos ever since Kovaak!
tysm :>
RAAAH IM SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK !!! i rewatch your video about aiming more than most videos just because i love the process of someone having a question, spending the time to answer that question, and being so damn good at what they do because of that dedication. you're sick i hope to see more of you in the future!
tysm
@@pinguefy do you ever plan on making a discord server? perhaps once you develop a more consistent streaming habit? or do you think it'd be something that's too much of a hassle, or somewhere in between?
@@pitchblackkittycat sadly the last one ended very badly 😭 prolly not gonna try managing another community unless it's totally hands off
Happy to see you post again, welcome back!!
this is so insane i cant believe you’ve been working on this for so long, i’m really proud of u for how much progress you’ve made !
ty mira :D
this video is top 1 video i have watched in the past 5 years the level of "holy shit" i reached watching you keystrsfe with an analog stick will never be replicated
that's rly cool thank you ^^
Super interesting video awesome work man ! And thank you so much for the music discovery I'm IN LOVE With Thorn to Liver !!
heck yeah :D
Another Banger! I love your work and I'm so glad you're back.
Another great video, glad to see you back after 2 DARN years
it's finally here! i'm glad you're feeling better, well done
thank u, wouldn't have happened without u ^^
My goat has returned! You inspired me to constantly want to improve with your kovaaks video a while back. I hope you are doing well.
sooo nice to see you back. i'm glad you're feeling better now :)))
ty c:
good to see u back goat. glad you’re doing better enough to make vids again. I know its been brought up a couple of times but I’d love to hear your thoughts if you ever try out gyro controls, even if its just like a community post saying “I think gyro is stinky”
Fascinating and well made video as always, you never miss
The biggest advantage, imo, is being able to use all 4 of your other fingers for buttons without compromising your movement.
Leaning with Q and E in milsim shooters is SO much more usable and intuitive when you don't have to do the awkward fat finger strafe to use it.
Not to mention games that have driving in them are suddenly playable with a mouse and keyboard without any compromise. If you combine a foot pedal controller for analog trigger control, you've basically got a perfect one-size-fits all setup for literally anything other than flight sim games and games where you've gotta map controller to keyboard or via-versa because it'll only use one at a time.
true! i should've made mention of this, it is a big reason why it feels so freeing
I actually just remembered you randomly and decided to search you, i didnt know it been 2 years but i guess you cam back at a perfect time
Damn I just came across you annotating an aim theory video a couple weeks ago and then this comes out now. Glad this still popped on my feed after all this time.
i literally don’t play fps games like at all but your editing is so good that I honestly enjoyed this video a lot
I recall trying to play L4D2 with an Xbox controller in my let hand and a mouse in my right eons ago. I didn't play a lot with this setup, as I did it as a proof of concept and that it was one of my first games I spent time on learning to play the 'superior and prolific m&kb'. I merely proved that my accuracy was the same as with a controller, but I was 20% faster with a mouse, and that you can change the controls in L4D2 to support mouse, keyboard, and controller simultaneously via a manually-edited .ini file.
But this video is the natural evolution of the that rabbit hole I glanced down and didn't spend the time exploring, despite my desires. It kinda makes me regret not going ham on games I enjoyed to make that control scheme work. I might get that keyboard myself, now.
Gen X here, so arcade joysticks make a lot more sense to my brain. I started playing TF2 almost a year ago and hated using a keyboard for movement, so I built a joystick setup using a cheap stick with a trigger and a top button. While I was way smoother at movement, it was far too slow to transition a whole hand around for strafing. So, i found a usb adapter for the Wii nunchuk. The nunchuk for movement with the two buttons for jumping and crouching is an absolute dream. Now, if I could just get gud.
i hope more people came and saw it, its truly an interesting subject since the major pc is keyboard input and its literally a rare/niche subject preference.
New pinguefy!!! Whenever a video comes out it's the highlight of my month ❤
aww that's too kind!!
Hi pinguefy, glad you're alive xd. Funnily enough I was thinking of advantages to movement with analog numerous times over the years, and even experimented with it by using controller for movement and mouse for aiming in Apex for sometime. It's a gimmick, but with magnetic switches boom, rn I'm thinking that they will evolve to something inbetween, you get what I mean? Like how "hard" you press on wasd is at what angle you go. Like W+A is 45 angle, but if you press W or A less, it will change the angle. Also the "analog movement speed change". Hope my weird sentence construction is not that hard to read.
happy to have you back man. hope things have been good in your life :)
Omfg I’ve been waiting for you to come back!!!
That was such a satisfying hunting horn knockdown at 2:39. Had to watch it again.
ayee i'm glad someone liked that clip haha, felt so good in the moment :D
Awesome video & thanks for linking the music bro! Hold On You is an amazing song!
for suree
It's great to see more people finally recognize the analog stick as something more than just a controller thing. A lot of PC gamers write off controllers cuz, y'know, "pc mAsTeR RaCe," but there's so much potential left to discover with analog sticks.
I don't even think sticks are bad to aim with. People just don't take the time to get with them. Is it as good as mouse? No, obviously, but it can contend with them at higher skill levels.
bro holy shit its been two years. glad you back man
I used my first gen for about 2 years until the keys started to malfunction, it's a 3d printed lativian product so not bad for how much use I used it during its lifespan.
Honestly I would highly recommend, I mainly used it for fortnite where it really shines with how many binds there are and the advantages of analog movement.
Not only did it present some major advantages but it really is a new way to play, it's a learning curve but the new options it presents are a lot of fun to figure out in a game you think you already know
BRO you are always influencing me this time I'm finally predicting you
I picked up alt layouts and a dactyl after your vids, and I was already thinking about a cyro lmao
LOL that's cool
you're my idol.
thank you for making another video
"it's been a minute" i think it's been 2 years, swill one of the best channels out there
so glad to see your love of tf2 persists like it does for so many of us. if analog movement got more popular i wonder how it would change rocket/sticky jumping tech and jump maps. would be cool for the speedrunners to explore
it strikes me something as more something comp players would use, but it would be cool to be wrong
but ty :D