Mitchell actually addressed this in another video and basically repeated what the lads said and manipulated the form to his advantage on game day. Mitch asked Nick Best and Brian Shaw what was the best way to squat on the machine. Brian also confirmed this is his wrap up video. The machine was an homage to old school WSM smith machine squats but the vast majority of competitors didn’t approach it that way. Mitch approached it like Magnus Ver used to and achieved the most reps.
He takign advantage is exaclty whats wrong, competition should not be about who cna manipulate the aparatus the best way, it is who cna lift the heavyest stuf. I am not hating Mitch, i am hating the aparatus and the referring here
@@wolololer mitch did lift the heaviest...and the most times...some people couldnt even do one rep.....if you dont move your feet to the best position that is on you...not the machine.
Loads of strongman apparatus since the sport began has often benefit certain body types, manipulating this to your advantage has always happen, atlas stones favour tall/large athletes who can actually fit there arms around the heavier stones and get better leverage for example
@@mattyhartley9079 That has nothing to do with what we are saying, Mitch is not benefiting in anything about his body structure, he is straight up "cheating" reps, taking advantage of this aparatus being flawed design and abusing the system.
I think the thing is that they don't want every squat event to be the same, the same way strongman tries to test hinging strength through a variety of movements (stone/sandbag, whippy bars/axles, with/without suits, and all sorts of heights). I think the goal was to test strength in a different way than a standard powerlifting squat. The sport has gotten away from some of the old events but heavy partial squats or hand and thigh lifts are a really cool part of the history and I think they still have a place in competition. They just need to make it more clear that the event is a partial range of motion and isn't the same as other squats.
The hard part about housing in the US in many even medium cities you can walk if you're in the downtown or "old town" area to coffee shops, bars and even some grocery stores, but the houses are extremely expensive now.
As a Canadian , even getting a short work permit in the states is a huge push. Come to Canada! Commonwealth countries are easier. Gabriel just did one out east in Toronto!
Chris Carson is arguably one of the biggest names that have gone to Joel Seedman and his career fell off via injuries after he became his client, so there's that
Can confirm that Americans are mostly up for a drive at any time. I lived in Phoenix Arizona growing up and several times on an impulse would drive 6 hours to go to Los Angelas in California. Living in Texas now in Dallas, and it takes around 1 and a half to 2 hours to drive from one side of the metroplex to the other side, and now I’ve driven down to San Antonio in the same state over a dozen times which is about a 5 hour drive just to go see a concert or for professional development conventions. My drive to work is 45 minutes to an hour most days as well!
Hooper is the most fake humble person ever and a know it all I watched heaps of his content and slowly got a feeling that his totally fake as a person freak athlete still but yeah
I know how the shitty people feel. City people I mean. I don't have a car or money, I can get everywhere with public transport or bicycle. Until I need to leave the city area. Even with student discount the train ticket is still bankruptcy, especially if you don't buy it 2 months in advance. Then it's literally impossible for my resources to get anywhere. 2-3 hours travel if I had the time wouldn't be a problem. It's really easy to think about travelling if you have a car, money and you have room in your schedule. If you have enough money to attend, you still can't pay for the travel or figure out a way to get there. And talking about weather and summer, I grew some tomatoes. I started earlier this year because last year I was a bit late. Now I have the first flowers and it's almost september. If the fall storms and cold won't kill everything, I might even see an unripened small tomato. I heard everyone had left Paris for a vacation during the Olympics because people hate the hassle. Finland has a similar problem with wolves. It's no longer possible to figure out who's telling the truth and accurate information, because animal activists tell all kinds of stories and don't accept any animals killed, while there's plenty of people who want all the wolves killed if a single farm animal has been killed or if someone saw a wolf. Both sides are saying all kinds of things referring to some statistic that's completely out of context. Both sides have some truth to their message and both sides are pushing the line too far, there certainly are lunatics on both sides of the discussion. And I think the wolves are also endangered in Finland. It's obvious the truth is somewhere in between, that some animals have to be hunted sometimes, quotas or not, but you can't tell how many and when by following the discussion or information. Like I don't think the argument can be that someone saw a wolf once so a big amount of wolves have to be killed, that's not solid reasoning. Having a quota might be reasonable, or if certain wolves have been attacking in house yards repeatedly an acute interruption could be very reasonable. But hunting certainly has similar issue as green washing, you can't have a civil and accurate discussion about it where everyone agrees on certain fundamental laws and truths and builds up the consensus from there, an agreement on what's enough and what's too much for which nuance. It upsets an engineer mind to see people mainly focus on emotional responses to the topic either way and burying the truth. I don't like killing animals (for no reason let's be accurate) and I would hate to have to kill an animal even if it was the right thing to do (out of mercy after a traffic accident), but I whole-heartedly approve that some hunting needs to be done for practical reasons and to be honest it's far more ecological than feasting on grocery store stuff. And I would still like to at least once go hunting and prepare the whole animal for food, just to go through the experience and appreciate more the grocery store packages of food (meat or any other food) and the life of the animal that gave up on it for my meal. Go through the experience of having to kill an animal for "survival" and respect its life by using all of its body, both for food and practical items, to challenge myself to do what's necessary and ugly instead of making other people do it and just not think about it. It's incredibly entitled to buy meat of a farm animal from grocery store when everybody else has done the dirty job so you don't have to think about it (just like fighting a war for independence and pretty much for Europe like Ukrainians are going through), or go vegan in day and age where you can just buy your vegetables and fruits from the store, you don't have to pour blood and sweat on the ground for majority of the year to get some produce and experience losing the crop without control just because this year happened to suck, getting fresh stuff even in the winter and all the exotic stuff as well. You have freaking manipulated vegetables and fruits on the shelf that produce a lot of fruit meat over seeds and useless parts, and more sugar so it tastes nicer. Over stuff you had to spend majority of the year to grow that has much less edible stuff and tastes like shit or at least not wonderful. And preach about animal rights and judge hunters. It pains me how willfully ignorant some people are in their holier than thou mentality, extremely entitled. And it's exclusively the fucking people in the capital city who have never even seen the nature, they live in the most south and populated part of the country and they have only read about nature on the internet, they have only seen animals on youtube videos and they only get their information from the US social media. They wouldn't survive a day without their phone and internet. Their days are spent in protests demanding this and that social rights and animal rights on the street, stopping working people minding their productive life and providing for their family despite being barely able to with their salary. Young people who aren't working, who either are dropouts, mentally ill or have a degree in some social subject. I'm not saying that to slander, but that's the profile of majority of the people involved. And they lecture how life should be handled up in the north or east where there's hundreds of kilometers to other populated area, it's full of wilderness and predators and people are trying to farm crop and grow animals for food in the cities. While being fucked in the ass by grocery store chain duopoly taking their profits, EU banning their farming support as unfair competition support, trying to go for organic farming killing the last of their profit because the social movement demands that but nobody's willing to pay the increased cost in the produce. They also demand things like ending zoos and releasing the animals in the wild. Happened with a dolphinarium in my city. The pressure was so high that eventually they sent the dolphins to Greece and potentially to be released. All of those dolphins died, to my understanding from bad treatment. And many other zoo animals die in the wild if released. They have their morally high vision so clear in their mind that they never stop to think how it will happen in practice and what is the likelihood that it improves their life, other than "you're free, you must be happier now". Not saying that zoo animals are happy, there's great deal of evidence against that, but just releasing them doesn't automatically make their life better. Whales are one of the most tragic example of animals that don't belong in the zoo. The predator point is pretty good, I get why we had zoos back in the day. Like you'd never ever know one without them. Today we have photography and internet. We don't need to bring the animal here to see one. Be very careful about what you wish for. Raccoons are about the next thing from rats in terms of how much havoc they can bring in a populated area. They are equally as able to get by with anything they can find, but they are so god damn clever and able with their little hands and brains. You would not want raccoons in your neighborhood. If crows are called monkeys that can fly, raccoons must be furry crows, because once you teach crows that they can chill in your neighborhood or get food from you, you're not getting rid of them and they will come and demand it. I heard a claim that the whole dopamine system ramping up when dying is a produce of getting eaten. Supposedly it's just to subside the pain away and make you feel nice to not go through the horror of being eaten alive and just hallucinate away. And you can't count on the Finnish government on subjects like that anymore either. It seems like every government is so extremely in favour of their benefit groups. Like just today I read that Finland's gonna get a massive penalty in EU court because despite multiple expert and law people warnings the government forced through 8% alcohol content drinks in the grocery store with the limitation that they have to be produced by fermentation, you can't sell them if they're produced by mixing from booze. It was to begin with against EU laws and they knew it damn well, they still forced it through for no obvious reason and now there's a huge court case waiting, the manufacturers can make the government pay huge sums for lost profits as a result of EU deciding that it was unlawful and penalizing the government. In a situation where they're already beating everyone with sticks due to being short in economy. And this has happened repeatedly, governments hammering through laws and changes they _want_ instead of ones we need, against every expert and professional opinion and advisor. Like they have groups of expert advisors, a board of recommendations for every subject they need to decide on and they still ignore them completely. Even when it's detrimental, both in effect and economical impact, things that just make some of the voters happy on emotional level and most voters really upset because they experience the negative consequences. Yup, this shit talk once again had topics that really hit the spot.
My opinion as a strongman and powerlifting competitor is that no, he didn’t cheat. It seems like the only people saying it’s cheating are the types to say arches and sumo are cheating because in their minds they are somehow less effective for building muscle as if that’s something that is taken into account in these sports
Sure he didn't cheat per se but I hope you wouldn't argue that he did in fact game the apparatus. That said, what rubbed most people the wrong way was Hooper's snarky remark that he's now the best squatter in strongman which objectively is not true.
I don't think there's a single person who argues that those things are cheating because of their potential in hypertrophy training. And I don't think you think they do either I think you just want to avoid the conversation about ranges of motion which is the much harder thing to defend about sumo and aggressive arching
Mitch didn’t lie, he setup the same way as the day before and followed all the rules. Once it’s off his back he had no obligation to bring the weight down any particular way. It’s certainly finding the limits of the rules but it’s not cheating.
The Sneedman has truly mastered the cycle of self-selection bias and selection bias, like any successful charlatan in and around sports. Most people who have the money to pay him probably work in a sedentary occupation, so they're likely to see *some* benefit from following his dogma compared to doing no exercise/exercising entirely un-coached. And in American football, the attrition gets so steep at the higher levels that athletes are drawn to goofy ahh S&C coaches like him out of a pervasive 'more different = better' belief that almost borders on mysticism. Half of the shit I see him post makes it seem like he's just trying to get a return on investment for all the trap bars he's bought 😂🤡
No no no no no lmao all Fiat currencies are not real money. They aren't money by definition, they are just currency 🙃 but if I ever went to Canada, and I brought some of my Canadian one cent coins, I would probably get chased out, even if they are made of 98.5% copper and worth more than what it says on the coin😂😂😂
I hate to fact check you guys again (I don't, I'm a prick like that), but the Swedish cull was just shy of 500 out of a population of 2400. That's comfortably within the limits ye mentioned for population control (and was 700+ licences last year) but as usual, wouldn't hurt to take 5 seconds and get it right when part of your discussion is how people are wrong about the topic 😅
We need timecode chapters gentlemen like
Mitchell actually addressed this in another video and basically repeated what the lads said and manipulated the form to his advantage on game day. Mitch asked Nick Best and Brian Shaw what was the best way to squat on the machine. Brian also confirmed this is his wrap up video. The machine was an homage to old school WSM smith machine squats but the vast majority of competitors didn’t approach it that way. Mitch approached it like Magnus Ver used to and achieved the most reps.
Well said
He takign advantage is exaclty whats wrong, competition should not be about who cna manipulate the aparatus the best way, it is who cna lift the heavyest stuf. I am not hating Mitch, i am hating the aparatus and the referring here
@@wolololer mitch did lift the heaviest...and the most times...some people couldnt even do one rep.....if you dont move your feet to the best position that is on you...not the machine.
Loads of strongman apparatus since the sport began has often benefit certain body types, manipulating this to your advantage has always happen, atlas stones favour tall/large athletes who can actually fit there arms around the heavier stones and get better leverage for example
@@mattyhartley9079 That has nothing to do with what we are saying, Mitch is not benefiting in anything about his body structure, he is straight up "cheating" reps, taking advantage of this aparatus being flawed design and abusing the system.
I think the thing is that they don't want every squat event to be the same, the same way strongman tries to test hinging strength through a variety of movements (stone/sandbag, whippy bars/axles, with/without suits, and all sorts of heights). I think the goal was to test strength in a different way than a standard powerlifting squat. The sport has gotten away from some of the old events but heavy partial squats or hand and thigh lifts are a really cool part of the history and I think they still have a place in competition. They just need to make it more clear that the event is a partial range of motion and isn't the same as other squats.
The hard part about housing in the US in many even medium cities you can walk if you're in the downtown or "old town" area to coffee shops, bars and even some grocery stores, but the houses are extremely expensive now.
If the refs allow it then it's not cheating (you can tell I pull sumo).
Lovely bitta sh*t talk today lads, thank you!
As a Canadian , even getting a short work permit in the states is a huge push. Come to Canada! Commonwealth countries are easier. Gabriel just did one out east in Toronto!
good content for a drive in my SUV to the drive-thru pharmacy, the drive-thru bbq joint, & the drive-thru liquor store
American cities usually aren’t that walkable. Midwestern Americans are known for driving 20+ hours for vacation rather than fly 5hrs and rent a car
It takes me 1hr and a half to drive to the store out of the mountains. Walking/biking would be an all day affair.
Strongman, clasically, has always been about gaming the system as much as you can, many such cases
Americans will drive 12 hours for a concert, turn around and go home the next day.
'The West Coast has been lost to the wolves..'. Had me dying 😂😂😂
Joel Seidman is a living walking meme
American here. I used to travel 5 hours round trip to train on Saturday sometimes 😬
Lads why aint the sh-t talks on spotify anymore?
Chris Carson is arguably one of the biggest names that have gone to Joel Seedman and his career fell off via injuries after he became his client, so there's that
Can confirm that Americans are mostly up for a drive at any time. I lived in Phoenix Arizona growing up and several times on an impulse would drive 6 hours to go to Los Angelas in California. Living in Texas now in Dallas, and it takes around 1 and a half to 2 hours to drive from one side of the metroplex to the other side, and now I’ve driven down to San Antonio in the same state over a dozen times which is about a 5 hour drive just to go see a concert or for professional development conventions. My drive to work is 45 minutes to an hour most days as well!
Hooper is the most fake humble person ever and a know it all I watched heaps of his content and slowly got a feeling that his totally fake as a person freak athlete still but yeah
I know how the shitty people feel. City people I mean. I don't have a car or money, I can get everywhere with public transport or bicycle. Until I need to leave the city area. Even with student discount the train ticket is still bankruptcy, especially if you don't buy it 2 months in advance. Then it's literally impossible for my resources to get anywhere. 2-3 hours travel if I had the time wouldn't be a problem. It's really easy to think about travelling if you have a car, money and you have room in your schedule. If you have enough money to attend, you still can't pay for the travel or figure out a way to get there.
And talking about weather and summer, I grew some tomatoes. I started earlier this year because last year I was a bit late. Now I have the first flowers and it's almost september. If the fall storms and cold won't kill everything, I might even see an unripened small tomato.
I heard everyone had left Paris for a vacation during the Olympics because people hate the hassle.
Finland has a similar problem with wolves. It's no longer possible to figure out who's telling the truth and accurate information, because animal activists tell all kinds of stories and don't accept any animals killed, while there's plenty of people who want all the wolves killed if a single farm animal has been killed or if someone saw a wolf. Both sides are saying all kinds of things referring to some statistic that's completely out of context. Both sides have some truth to their message and both sides are pushing the line too far, there certainly are lunatics on both sides of the discussion. And I think the wolves are also endangered in Finland. It's obvious the truth is somewhere in between, that some animals have to be hunted sometimes, quotas or not, but you can't tell how many and when by following the discussion or information. Like I don't think the argument can be that someone saw a wolf once so a big amount of wolves have to be killed, that's not solid reasoning. Having a quota might be reasonable, or if certain wolves have been attacking in house yards repeatedly an acute interruption could be very reasonable. But hunting certainly has similar issue as green washing, you can't have a civil and accurate discussion about it where everyone agrees on certain fundamental laws and truths and builds up the consensus from there, an agreement on what's enough and what's too much for which nuance. It upsets an engineer mind to see people mainly focus on emotional responses to the topic either way and burying the truth.
I don't like killing animals (for no reason let's be accurate) and I would hate to have to kill an animal even if it was the right thing to do (out of mercy after a traffic accident), but I whole-heartedly approve that some hunting needs to be done for practical reasons and to be honest it's far more ecological than feasting on grocery store stuff. And I would still like to at least once go hunting and prepare the whole animal for food, just to go through the experience and appreciate more the grocery store packages of food (meat or any other food) and the life of the animal that gave up on it for my meal. Go through the experience of having to kill an animal for "survival" and respect its life by using all of its body, both for food and practical items, to challenge myself to do what's necessary and ugly instead of making other people do it and just not think about it. It's incredibly entitled to buy meat of a farm animal from grocery store when everybody else has done the dirty job so you don't have to think about it (just like fighting a war for independence and pretty much for Europe like Ukrainians are going through), or go vegan in day and age where you can just buy your vegetables and fruits from the store, you don't have to pour blood and sweat on the ground for majority of the year to get some produce and experience losing the crop without control just because this year happened to suck, getting fresh stuff even in the winter and all the exotic stuff as well. You have freaking manipulated vegetables and fruits on the shelf that produce a lot of fruit meat over seeds and useless parts, and more sugar so it tastes nicer. Over stuff you had to spend majority of the year to grow that has much less edible stuff and tastes like shit or at least not wonderful. And preach about animal rights and judge hunters. It pains me how willfully ignorant some people are in their holier than thou mentality, extremely entitled. And it's exclusively the fucking people in the capital city who have never even seen the nature, they live in the most south and populated part of the country and they have only read about nature on the internet, they have only seen animals on youtube videos and they only get their information from the US social media. They wouldn't survive a day without their phone and internet. Their days are spent in protests demanding this and that social rights and animal rights on the street, stopping working people minding their productive life and providing for their family despite being barely able to with their salary. Young people who aren't working, who either are dropouts, mentally ill or have a degree in some social subject. I'm not saying that to slander, but that's the profile of majority of the people involved. And they lecture how life should be handled up in the north or east where there's hundreds of kilometers to other populated area, it's full of wilderness and predators and people are trying to farm crop and grow animals for food in the cities. While being fucked in the ass by grocery store chain duopoly taking their profits, EU banning their farming support as unfair competition support, trying to go for organic farming killing the last of their profit because the social movement demands that but nobody's willing to pay the increased cost in the produce.
They also demand things like ending zoos and releasing the animals in the wild. Happened with a dolphinarium in my city. The pressure was so high that eventually they sent the dolphins to Greece and potentially to be released. All of those dolphins died, to my understanding from bad treatment. And many other zoo animals die in the wild if released. They have their morally high vision so clear in their mind that they never stop to think how it will happen in practice and what is the likelihood that it improves their life, other than "you're free, you must be happier now". Not saying that zoo animals are happy, there's great deal of evidence against that, but just releasing them doesn't automatically make their life better. Whales are one of the most tragic example of animals that don't belong in the zoo. The predator point is pretty good, I get why we had zoos back in the day. Like you'd never ever know one without them. Today we have photography and internet. We don't need to bring the animal here to see one.
Be very careful about what you wish for. Raccoons are about the next thing from rats in terms of how much havoc they can bring in a populated area. They are equally as able to get by with anything they can find, but they are so god damn clever and able with their little hands and brains. You would not want raccoons in your neighborhood. If crows are called monkeys that can fly, raccoons must be furry crows, because once you teach crows that they can chill in your neighborhood or get food from you, you're not getting rid of them and they will come and demand it.
I heard a claim that the whole dopamine system ramping up when dying is a produce of getting eaten. Supposedly it's just to subside the pain away and make you feel nice to not go through the horror of being eaten alive and just hallucinate away.
And you can't count on the Finnish government on subjects like that anymore either. It seems like every government is so extremely in favour of their benefit groups. Like just today I read that Finland's gonna get a massive penalty in EU court because despite multiple expert and law people warnings the government forced through 8% alcohol content drinks in the grocery store with the limitation that they have to be produced by fermentation, you can't sell them if they're produced by mixing from booze. It was to begin with against EU laws and they knew it damn well, they still forced it through for no obvious reason and now there's a huge court case waiting, the manufacturers can make the government pay huge sums for lost profits as a result of EU deciding that it was unlawful and penalizing the government. In a situation where they're already beating everyone with sticks due to being short in economy. And this has happened repeatedly, governments hammering through laws and changes they _want_ instead of ones we need, against every expert and professional opinion and advisor. Like they have groups of expert advisors, a board of recommendations for every subject they need to decide on and they still ignore them completely. Even when it's detrimental, both in effect and economical impact, things that just make some of the voters happy on emotional level and most voters really upset because they experience the negative consequences.
Yup, this shit talk once again had topics that really hit the spot.
My opinion as a strongman and powerlifting competitor is that no, he didn’t cheat. It seems like the only people saying it’s cheating are the types to say arches and sumo are cheating because in their minds they are somehow less effective for building muscle as if that’s something that is taken into account in these sports
People hate the players, instead of the rules of the games haha
Sure he didn't cheat per se but I hope you wouldn't argue that he did in fact game the apparatus. That said, what rubbed most people the wrong way was Hooper's snarky remark that he's now the best squatter in strongman which objectively is not true.
I don't think there's a single person who argues that those things are cheating because of their potential in hypertrophy training. And I don't think you think they do either I think you just want to avoid the conversation about ranges of motion which is the much harder thing to defend about sumo and aggressive arching
That said. I expect sumo to have new restrictions soon. Foot width max spread etc. so preparing for that eventuality.
@@jayk5549 Talking like someone that has never tried sumo
Billy Big Balls
we need timestamps for the lads
Would Canada require work visas? A lot of us northern Americans would make the trek over the boarder - For Sure!
I believe the income tax goes to the country of the work visa but may not be collected in Ireland?
45 minute dose of optical sikastanazolol 😍
13:22 love this shtt talk
We are in a grand solar minimum...
Mitch didn’t lie, he setup the same way as the day before and followed all the rules. Once it’s off his back he had no obligation to bring the weight down any particular way. It’s certainly finding the limits of the rules but it’s not cheating.
Mitch hooper controversy at 13 minute mark
You guys should come to South Africa to see some big animals :D
The Sneedman has truly mastered the cycle of self-selection bias and selection bias, like any successful charlatan in and around sports.
Most people who have the money to pay him probably work in a sedentary occupation, so they're likely to see *some* benefit from following his dogma compared to doing no exercise/exercising entirely un-coached.
And in American football, the attrition gets so steep at the higher levels that athletes are drawn to goofy ahh S&C coaches like him out of a pervasive 'more different = better' belief that almost borders on mysticism.
Half of the shit I see him post makes it seem like he's just trying to get a return on investment for all the trap bars he's bought 😂🤡
Ello gents
Why are they just looking at each other
god gave racoons hands and no shame
Honestly, lose some weight, get down to sub 15% body fat and you’ll be able to do a subpar 5 minute mile. The squat is easy for you.
really?
Ayyyyyyy
No no no no no lmao all Fiat currencies are not real money. They aren't money by definition, they are just currency 🙃 but if I ever went to Canada, and I brought some of my Canadian one cent coins, I would probably get chased out, even if they are made of 98.5% copper and worth more than what it says on the coin😂😂😂
I hate to fact check you guys again (I don't, I'm a prick like that), but the Swedish cull was just shy of 500 out of a population of 2400. That's comfortably within the limits ye mentioned for population control (and was 700+ licences last year) but as usual, wouldn't hurt to take 5 seconds and get it right when part of your discussion is how people are wrong about the topic 😅