@@ixirionI think most players just dont utelize a motherships full potential. In a recent series Max Pax used it extremly well as huge mobility buff. Together with his nexus recall he constantly repositioned his relative slow endgame army and outpositioned Dark a number of times. If you build a mothership, you should have a plan for it, otherwise, yes, its probably just wasted ressources.
@@Daniel-rd6st well essentially you said the same. you can recall with mothership. you can change time warp with fungle and it will be upgrade which is hilarious. invisibility against terran and zerg is mostly useless. Regarding recall its mostly used against zerg with too many broodlords lategame on split maps. However its use is again limited cos zerg can just attack your location and force you to recall again or basetrade. Again not completly useless unit just kinda mostly bad.
@@ixirionI wouldnt say that. Because what 2 recalls mean is that you can basically attack at one location, recall your army to the mothership on the other side of the map, which should give you 2 base kills, and still be able to defend at home with the nexus recall, if you need too. Yes the abilities have cooldowns, but other than maybe zerg with the nydus, no other army has that kind of mobility burst. Another tactic i recently saw was using the mothership to recall into the zerg opponents main base, kill the tech and instantly recall home after that, before the zerg has time to trap the army (which is what ususally happens when the protoss sticks around for too long). Personally i think thats quite a bit of usability you can get from the mothership for the price of less than a carrier.
@@Daniel-rd6st You actually are saying the same. only recall is viable. However you are using confirmation bias logic. The fact are that Stats build 5-6 MS and did 1 basicaly meaningful recall. Then the strategy is so rare that players are not used to counter it. Lets continue - is it rare cos its so good and useful? There is a good comment below - the new toss strategy is to build MS so vipers abduct them instead of carriers which are actually useful and more expensive XDD
Protoss Mothership in lore: A flying city capable of destroying planets and entire Terran fleets, and has technology far beyond anything the Terrans and the UED could dream of; the pride and ultimate weapon of the Protoss fleet Protoss Mothership in gameplay: That being said, the use of Mothership recalls was awesome. Great play by Stats.
@@FirstLast-gk6lg It's absurd that any massive unit can be abducted really. Sure, this flying bug drags something at least 20x its size with its tongue. Makes perfect sense...
Honestly the mothership is genius, you know he’s gonna be grabbing something with vipers so you shield your carriers with something slightly cheaper and maybe more tactically useful, so he chooses to grab that before the carriers, and you reach critical carrier mass at the same pace if not slightly faster because you lose less to each viper pull
Right? What the heck kind of a brilliant strategy is that. Occupy the Zerg vipers all game with trying to destroy the Mothership to stay safe from cloak/time warp and lose half as many carriers. So cool. I’d love to see more of this strategy.
I love how both the games stats won were long, drawn out battles where dark pulled stats around the map and then eventually stats was just like 'I don't think you can ever take my army in a straight-up fight. I'm gonna kill your base now, m'kay?'
stats played that game 1 so confidently wow, he yielded so much to build his mass, stuck to his mothership guns, made a decisive maneuver to prevent dark from rebuilding and then closed it out. what a game
I think this may be my GOTY. Most of the time, when someone uses box art armies, they just get rolled. This time, both players were using all the strategies that I always want to see their respective race use, and it was glorious. Game three was beautiful.
I saw that series live during GSL and I knew you had to cast it ! Insane games from both players. I'm more than glad to watch it again ^^ . . . . Very happy to see Stats back, the next match vs Classic was also very solid.
@@FirstLast-gk6lgkind of reminds me of a Terran unit that also burrows and instantly does damage…or another unit that does 130 damage from 2 screens away while invisible
Stats is a fresh airflow for Protoss, no one in the world play mass Mothership like Stats does, no one even consider that an option =))) we need a patch to allow Mothership to siege and act a base so probes can bring money/gas back !!! 28:12 we see how close pro gamers are, they fight for half an hour and have the exact supply, it is insane !!!
Again bonus points to the commentator for making a reference to The Godfathers (GOAT in cinematics) and a bit earlier Jerry Springer! Haha what a leap, yet perfectly utilised. Thank you Sir, for making my day more than just a little bit better!
I feel like the only problem with stats' unit comp is no tempest. I swear you need min 6 tempest which I think is the sweet spot. Maybe there are a certain amount more for some 1 shot stat but, this just gives you a lot more range when theres engagements like 41:48 and 44:32. im just thinking dark sets up this like almost siege tank level of siege on stats' bases. if during that ENTIRE fight he was tanking a volley of 6 tempests. Just 6 shots, 6 shots, 6 shots, 6 shots, 6 shots. eventually over the course of the minute or 2 these fights went on. He will have traded so many things for these losses.
The amount of not killing each other is actually insane, just armies patrolling between their 4th and 5ths. Recreating the Gentleman Wars out here, spending 20 minutes trying to figure out a good time for both players to fight. Also Stats only won the series because they had a gentleman's agreement where Dark wouldn't press the viper button anymore.
Amazing series! Great plays by Stats. Will anyone explain to a platinum noob why disruptors are not played in pvz? On theory they fight hydras and lurkers quite well.
feel like oracles would've been a good addition with the viper/lurker combo. Kinda need constant sight on those things so you can actually attack them, and avoid getting abducted. E.g. 17:31 newly created mothership pretty much instantly dead
I kinda feel like a lot of people, including pro's just don't know how to use a mothership to it's potential. It should never really be with your army, it's not a fighting unit. Think of it as a mobile nexus. Sneak it around the edge of the map and use it as a portable offensive recall and then hide it again before it's killed. Flying it around on the frontlines just to get sniped by vipers is such a wasteful way to use your mothership.
Stats now sees the 1st half of protoss MO: protect your warriors more than anything else, at all times, and they will protect everything else for you. He's already a master doing it, obviously. But beware if Stats would learn the 2nd half of protoss MO: seek to destroy enemy warriors more than anything else, at all times, and the enemy won't be able to protect anything. Beware if Stats would learn the art of Protoss ambush and flank engagement. If he does, we may well see both zerg and terrans splattered all over the floor. It does take an extremely fluid mind to do this, though - Stats seem to be one, but these are rare breed. I wish him best of luck, strong health, and tempered, wise approach to distributing his time between doing all the things which the life is about. o7
It feels like the Mothership should really not be abduct-able. Actually it looks like it would be the thing that would do the abducting (or a phoenix-like ability or exactly phoenix ability but its an aoe ability and lasts half as long or less, as the phoenix's). I haven't seen any game where time-warp has had any significant affect.
Revert the mothership back, it hurts so much to see multiple mothership dies as if its nothing, and gets rebuild as if its expendable. I don't care the damn thing is more expensive or that the handling is worse, ITS A FLYING CITY, of course its supposed to be slow and hard to turn the ship around, it emphasize the grand size and show the mothership is heavy, Now the better handling and faster movment and lower HP makes its feel light and inconsequential.
"For the first time in far too long" ok I know it's been a long time for you, but coincidentally I literally just watched your cast of Soo vs Stats in IEM 2019 and this video autoplayed after it lol
I’m new to this game, but this is what I’ve gathered, so far: Protoss = defensive Zerg = offensive Taren = YES! Have I got this right, or am I missing something?🤔
I feel like the mythical Queen March also deserves a title track, a little bit like the fusion core. Ride of the Valkyries? ruclips.net/video/GGU1P6lBW6Q/видео.html
Jesus christ 15:35 PLEASE can the "balance council" do something about these Vipers abducting Motherships literally ENTIRE vertical screens distance?? For the love of god that is so cringe to watch
How can a flying frog pull a fucking mothership? Think about it… if the viper tongue gripped the mothership, it would pull itself to the mothership and splat.
Believe in yourself like Stats believes in Motherships.
mothership despite its name is one trick recall pony + a viper ping-pong ball.
thats said arbiter is just too OP for SC2
@@ixirionI think most players just dont utelize a motherships full potential. In a recent series Max Pax used it extremly well as huge mobility buff. Together with his nexus recall he constantly repositioned his relative slow endgame army and outpositioned Dark a number of times. If you build a mothership, you should have a plan for it, otherwise, yes, its probably just wasted ressources.
@@Daniel-rd6st well essentially you said the same. you can recall with mothership.
you can change time warp with fungle and it will be upgrade which is hilarious. invisibility against terran and zerg is mostly useless.
Regarding recall its mostly used against zerg with too many broodlords lategame on split maps. However its use is again limited cos zerg can just attack your location and force you to recall again or basetrade.
Again not completly useless unit just kinda mostly bad.
@@ixirionI wouldnt say that. Because what 2 recalls mean is that you can basically attack at one location, recall your army to the mothership on the other side of the map, which should give you 2 base kills, and still be able to defend at home with the nexus recall, if you need too. Yes the abilities have cooldowns, but other than maybe zerg with the nydus, no other army has that kind of mobility burst. Another tactic i recently saw was using the mothership to recall into the zerg opponents main base, kill the tech and instantly recall home after that, before the zerg has time to trap the army (which is what ususally happens when the protoss sticks around for too long). Personally i think thats quite a bit of usability you can get from the mothership for the price of less than a carrier.
@@Daniel-rd6st You actually are saying the same. only recall is viable. However you are using confirmation bias logic.
The fact are that Stats build 5-6 MS and did 1 basicaly meaningful recall. Then the strategy is so rare that players are not used to counter it. Lets continue - is it rare cos its so good and useful?
There is a good comment below - the new toss strategy is to build MS so vipers abduct them instead of carriers which are actually useful and more expensive XDD
Protoss Mothership in lore: A flying city capable of destroying planets and entire Terran fleets, and has technology far beyond anything the Terrans and the UED could dream of; the pride and ultimate weapon of the Protoss fleet
Protoss Mothership in gameplay:
That being said, the use of Mothership recalls was awesome. Great play by Stats.
It's so absurd that the MS can be abducted. Utterly shatters my suspension of disbelief
The best part of in-game Mothership is the weapons are just 6 sentry beams duct taped to the hull.
@@FirstLast-gk6lg It's absurd that any massive unit can be abducted really. Sure, this flying bug drags something at least 20x its size with its tongue. Makes perfect sense...
Mother Ship needs total rework!
@@FirstLast-gk6lg if anything, the Viper should be pulled towards the Mothership when it attempts abduct lol
stats playing protoss like it's meant to be played:
zero workers at the end while being supply-blocked at 125/110 XD
4:15 - Stats reminding Dark why he's called the "Shield of Aiur". Great defence.
This was definitely my favorite PvZ series in the last couple years. Thanks for sharing
G1 Warp prism flank was definitely intentional, Stats microed the prism, 2 templar, and 1 archon away from the death ball before recalling.
33:11 hahahaha winter browses Reddit chronically too
Honestly the mothership is genius, you know he’s gonna be grabbing something with vipers so you shield your carriers with something slightly cheaper and maybe more tactically useful, so he chooses to grab that before the carriers, and you reach critical carrier mass at the same pace if not slightly faster because you lose less to each viper pull
Right? What the heck kind of a brilliant strategy is that. Occupy the Zerg vipers all game with trying to destroy the Mothership to stay safe from cloak/time warp and lose half as many carriers. So cool. I’d love to see more of this strategy.
I love how both the games stats won were long, drawn out battles where dark pulled stats around the map and then eventually stats was just like 'I don't think you can ever take my army in a straight-up fight. I'm gonna kill your base now, m'kay?'
Damn it Stats, make those air upgrades already.
Game 1 Stats is a protoss's protoss. A pleasure to watch, thanks Winter.
stats played that game 1 so confidently wow, he yielded so much to build his mass, stuck to his mothership guns, made a decisive maneuver to prevent dark from rebuilding and then closed it out. what a game
24:22 peak casting -- cant even watch anyone else, you're the best
“BRENDA!!! Why are we on our own, how does this keep happening!?!
SHUT UP SUSAN, just keep fighting!!”
I’m now deceased ☠️⚰️🪦🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think this may be my GOTY. Most of the time, when someone uses box art armies, they just get rolled. This time, both players were using all the strategies that I always want to see their respective race use, and it was glorious. Game three was beautiful.
I saw that series live during GSL and I knew you had to cast it !
Insane games from both players. I'm more than glad to watch it again ^^
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Very happy to see Stats back, the next match vs Classic was also very solid.
Usually when I see 'game of the year' I'd think that winter is just hyping it up, but this series really is game of the year.
Lurker range is absolutely crazy
Exacly, so OP
Absolutely so broken. and how they instantly burrow and start dealing damage
agree, but again lurkers how to play agaisnt bunch of immortal and distruptor
@@FirstLast-gk6lgkind of reminds me of a Terran unit that also burrows and instantly does damage…or another unit that does 130 damage from 2 screens away while invisible
If only Protoss had snipes
I have to take a bath after these matches.
Wow, what a concept, a sealed Protoss wall. Been watching too many Hero games.
Easily one of the best series I’ve seen on this channel in the last year….holy..
Game 1 was amazing
After watching the whole series all games were
What a masterclass in.... Mothership usage?? Not a sentence I ever expected to say but glad to witness it~
That was one of the best series I've ever seen.
It's amazing how Dark can make it seem like he is in the lead when he is behind. Great games from Stats.
If anyone wants to know how much a mother could sacrifice for her kids, just tell them to watch game 1
they will sacrifice themselves 5 times if they have to
Stats is a fresh airflow for Protoss, no one in the world play mass Mothership like Stats does, no one even consider that an option =))) we need a patch to allow Mothership to siege and act a base so probes can bring money/gas back !!!
28:12 we see how close pro gamers are, they fight for half an hour and have the exact supply, it is insane !!!
57:02 that was some kinda funky Ultralisk-Centapede set-up. Couldn't be comfortable for the ultra in front
I can't believe Stats never lost a mothership in that last game....
Again bonus points to the commentator for making a reference to The Godfathers (GOAT in cinematics) and a bit earlier Jerry Springer! Haha what a leap, yet perfectly utilised. Thank you Sir, for making my day more than just a little bit better!
spectacular match!
Wow, been a long time since protoss looked good. Well done Stats.
Now this was a Very impressive series of games. Both players impressed so much with the constant back and forth chaos. Such a tight match
what a series with such a great cast!
I feel like the only problem with stats' unit comp is no tempest. I swear you need min 6 tempest which I think is the sweet spot. Maybe there are a certain amount more for some 1 shot stat but, this just gives you a lot more range when theres engagements like 41:48 and 44:32. im just thinking dark sets up this like almost siege tank level of siege on stats' bases. if during that ENTIRE fight he was tanking a volley of 6 tempests. Just 6 shots, 6 shots, 6 shots, 6 shots, 6 shots. eventually over the course of the minute or 2 these fights went on. He will have traded so many things for these losses.
Whoopp, my favourite Protoss is backkkk
The amount of not killing each other is actually insane, just armies patrolling between their 4th and 5ths. Recreating the Gentleman Wars out here, spending 20 minutes trying to figure out a good time for both players to fight. Also Stats only won the series because they had a gentleman's agreement where Dark wouldn't press the viper button anymore.
One of the BEST GAMES!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Game 1: "Over The Top" starring Stats Stallone
Game 2: "Tremors" starring Dark Bacon
Stats living up to his nickname and its great to see him again.
What a game for stats gg
Amazing series! Great plays by Stats. Will anyone explain to a platinum noob why disruptors are not played in pvz? On theory they fight hydras and lurkers quite well.
feel like oracles would've been a good addition with the viper/lurker combo. Kinda need constant sight on those things so you can actually attack them, and avoid getting abducted.
E.g. 17:31 newly created mothership pretty much instantly dead
So fun and rare watching Motherships decide the games. Fuck yeah Stats!
I kinda feel like a lot of people, including pro's just don't know how to use a mothership to it's potential. It should never really be with your army, it's not a fighting unit. Think of it as a mobile nexus. Sneak it around the edge of the map and use it as a portable offensive recall and then hide it again before it's killed. Flying it around on the frontlines just to get sniped by vipers is such a wasteful way to use your mothership.
not sure that hit squad leaked past the recall was accidental or intentional, but damn did it get to the right spot at the right time
watched this series for a second time just to hear winter be excited and happy about it.
Saw this watching the group and thought "i can't wait for winter to cast this hot nonsense!"
What a series.
feel like friend match 😂
I used to be an adventurer like you, and then I took mandatory military service to the knee.
What a game! Trully a game of the year candidate
Stats now sees the 1st half of protoss MO: protect your warriors more than anything else, at all times, and they will protect everything else for you. He's already a master doing it, obviously. But beware if Stats would learn the 2nd half of protoss MO: seek to destroy enemy warriors more than anything else, at all times, and the enemy won't be able to protect anything. Beware if Stats would learn the art of Protoss ambush and flank engagement. If he does, we may well see both zerg and terrans splattered all over the floor. It does take an extremely fluid mind to do this, though - Stats seem to be one, but these are rare breed. I wish him best of luck, strong health, and tempered, wise approach to distributing his time between doing all the things which the life is about. o7
I had no idea I would become a Stats fan after clicking on this video! GG both Dark and Stats! What a banger of a cast Winter!
It feels like the Mothership should really not be abduct-able. Actually it looks like it would be the thing that would do the abducting (or a phoenix-like ability or exactly phoenix ability but its an aoe ability and lasts half as long or less, as the phoenix's). I haven't seen any game where time-warp has had any significant affect.
What a series. Amazing gameplay
This whole day of GSL was an absolute banger please cast all of the series(okay maybe not the third series)
Man game 1 was fun. How often do you see dark get outsmarted like that and lose from a tie in one shot in the late game??? Like never, right?
That's what you get when you run out of overseers. Very cool series!
What a game!!!!!
Its been a long time since i saw such a slugfest.
I salute Stats and Dark
Best game I've seen this year!
Protoss need all the champions they can get
Thanks!
Revert the mothership back, it hurts so much to see multiple mothership dies as if its nothing, and gets rebuild as if its expendable. I don't care the damn thing is more expensive or that the handling is worse, ITS A FLYING CITY, of course its supposed to be slow and hard to turn the ship around, it emphasize the grand size and show the mothership is heavy, Now the better handling and faster movment and lower HP makes its feel light and inconsequential.
I agree. They should have just made it immune to abduct.
Nah it definitely shouldn't be reversed. It's much better now, it just needs to be immune to abduct
Totally agreed. Of all things, it’s called MOTHERship and NO MOTHER IN ANY UNIVERSE SHOULD BE INCONSEQUENTIAL
Holy mothership batman
I was hoping you'd cover this series... I know it'll be great
Top form! Great cast Winter.
Best mother ship recall I've seen
"For the first time in far too long" ok I know it's been a long time for you, but coincidentally I literally just watched your cast of Soo vs Stats in IEM 2019 and this video autoplayed after it lol
Welcome back Stats
Great series and cast!
Lurkers are simply OP. Period.
Definitely
Protoss just has no counter to them, unlike Terrans with scans and snipes
I was expecting you to say 'incessant nydus worming'
WHEW!! BROOOOO that was incredible!
I’m new to this game, but this is what I’ve gathered, so far:
Protoss = defensive
Zerg = offensive
Taren = YES!
Have I got this right, or am I missing something?🤔
Queens should have a different movement animation while on creep to make is seem they are 'swimming' on it.
fantastic commentary to these epic matches
Love it!
Offensive recall gut the tech recall home to discourage base trade
This series is amazing.
Man Dark played that last game like sh*t. Let himself get kited around all game, and never actually attacked with any of the Nydus.
THE SHIELD OF AIUR
I would love to see a version of sc2 that let's pros have the ability on the hearthstone cards at the beginning
did karen ever get the license plate number of that flying engineering bay? of all the queens i think she would write it down immediately
A SC2 video with "Mothership" in the title that isn't just clickbait. :o
Que bien Stats, ganando a un gran Dark, muy buena partida. Saludos
Make storms replenish your unit's shields. I have spoken.
Wow game of the year so far imo wow
those cards you add it are pretty cool
Game one absolutely awe inspiring
Great cast brotha
Great❤!
Thx!
And you are not giving the winner away anymore!
Perfekt job!
I feel like the mythical Queen March also deserves a title track, a little bit like the fusion core.
Ride of the Valkyries? ruclips.net/video/GGU1P6lBW6Q/видео.html
Great series
WHAT A GAME !!! WHAT A CASTE !!
Wow... Now I have to play a game ... that was awesome!! GG
HECK YEA!!! G friggin G!
I would like to see zerg get a massive air unit like terrans battle cruiser or protoss carrier.
Jesus christ 15:35
PLEASE can the "balance council" do something about these Vipers abducting Motherships literally ENTIRE vertical screens distance?? For the love of god that is so cringe to watch
More mothers than in jerry springers show xD
How can a flying frog pull a fucking mothership? Think about it… if the viper tongue gripped the mothership, it would pull itself to the mothership and splat.
Breeeendaa.. really?? again?... you killed me :D