Been playing for 17 years. Took a break through dragonflight when I had twins and came back for this expansion. I’m so grateful for the wholesome content you produce and specifically the healing priest guides you’ve been pumping out to help me get caught up to speed. Thank you! 🙏🏻
Yay!! Thanks for your new guide! It's well timed because I went lightweaving this week on our mythic prog after feeling underwhelming with AoE and 2 preservation just outhealing me completely. Thanks as always for sharing your wisdom and knowledge :)
I had the exact same feeling. Felt like under performing in our heroic progress raid and start looking at warcraflogs of my own and top raiders. I noticed people done use much aoe healing (probably because of the evokers in the group) and I switch to a more single target healing. I had an increase of around 150k of healing with the new build and same gear. Also overhealing is less of an issue as its single target and not aoe. In case of AOE our palading often top the player off when I was still casting.
After trying the AoE spec for the last three weeks, I was considering going Lightweaver myself this week since I wasn't seeing the results I wanted to see, especially on fights like Sikran and Ky'veza. Really glad to see you put this up today, the spec is quite close to what I've been used to using in M+ back in DF, so I'm looking forward to giving it a try this evening.
Thank you so much for this. Love your content. Straight, to the point and easy to follow. I also love watching it in action as you talk about it. I was feeling like my PoH and CoH were as effective as a wet paper napkin. Lightweaver is definitely the way to go ❤️
Weird times we priest mains live in right now. I could possibly live with PoH/CoH being garbage if they just buffed PoM a bit. Or buff some of the PoM talents. 12% chance to leave a cruddy renew behind or a 15% chance to not consume a charge are asinine.
PoH has been garbage for years. It's not a smart heal, so it can overheal a ton... except its output is pretty weak, so that "ton" isn't very much anyway. And that's despite being slow to cast, expensive and having multiple talents to improve it. Its one saving grace was reducing Sanctify cooldown - but Archon can do that through SoL procs, so even that niche is useless. It's a terrible spell that needs a rework.
@@kampa7671 interesting, i havent played since legion and it was really strong back then. 2 sec cast is all the speed it needs, that was such a blessing in legion down from the normal 2.5 sec, and it healing the target and closest people makes for the player having to target the correct players, so thats all fine. but yeah its definitely really weak. Legion only had sanctify PoH and PoM, with halo/CoH being crappy talent choices so the base spells were allowed to be strong. but right now theres such an inflation of aoe spells that they all are sucking away the power budget. id be happy to see half of these spells removed so that the remainders can feel good to use.
Well first try as a lightweaver holy tonight, full prepared with your guides ! =D, Hope I can save those tanks on Ovinax ! I'm blasting as disco in M+ and having a ton of fun, but really can't make it work in this raid, my outputs are just terrible so let's give it a try (and some gold)
I need help explaining and convincing my Holy Priest friend, who is our healer for m+, to understand that not casting Heal at all is hurting their Healing output. They are solely relying on flash heal for 40% of their overall healing. They refuse to use divine hymn and symbol of hope because they are "channels" but anytime we do keys +7 or higher, the second their is a lot of AOE damage going out 1 or 2 people die every single time. They also are focus healing dps instead of me 99% of the time. As a Veng DH I am doing 600-800k hps overall to keep myself alive, with more than a few occasions of doing 1.5m-2m hps on big pack pulls to survive. they are healing me for about 10-15% of their overall healing and I tell them if a dps dies it will suck but we will be alright, if I die as the tank we are all screwed.
Man, I had hoped to never be the single target spot heal b*tch again after Shadowlands...sucks that this spec is just so much stronger than the regular aoe heal one. At least the playstyle isn't quite as awful as Flash Concentration used to be.
What's the point of taking "Say Your Prayers" if you're not taking Holy Word: Salvation? I imagine more HPS would be dropping Say Your Prayers, dropping 1 point in Resonant Words and putting 2 points into Light of the Naaru. More reduction on your holy words means more HPS by casting more holy words, but also means more procs of Resonant Words. With 2 piece set bonus + Light of the Naaru, HW: Serenity comes off cooldown SO quickly.
@@cat-vv9xb 15% chance is giving you 1 stack of Answered Prayers per Mending cast. It's functionally nothing. What're you getting, like 6 extra stacks per minute? WoW theorycrafters seem really lazy compared to other games idk
thanks for this video, I was thinking about switching from lightwell since I found that it was performing low. So I guess with this build in raid you won't be using sanctify very much since it's only reduced by prayer of healing (and renovation but not casting it ofc)?
Is it really not worth going for prayer of healing instead of prayer of mending? Ive done some tests and PoM loses a lot of healing without the oracle spec so those talents are a bit useless while PoH reduces sactify cd, you can also reduce the cost with that circle of healing talent and also with the bonus of 4 you cast it twice 50% of the times so you get a lot of sanctifys and also procc more resonant words. Don't you think?
thing is, you would actually need to cast it. The point of this is, that lightweaver is strong for spothealing. When you cast Flashheal/heal you won't be casting PoH anyway, or you will be missing out on Serenity CDR.
I'm not sure I'll get an answer here but I'm not sure where elso to ask this: how good are embellishments for holy priest? Do you want two crafted items no matter what?
@@AutomaticJak ah yeah, I've been using that for trinkets but didn't realize they covered embellishments as well. Will check that out once I'm home. Thanks a bunch for the reply. Really appreciate what you do for the community.
I think having a decent amount of haste is good but not required. I'm still prioing Crit/Mastery in my build with ~9% haste. I might go a bit higher with haste to 12-15% and see how it feels but I would not be stacking haste past that
Any update on the trinket list? The shadow binding ritual knife is killing other trinkets in QE sims. Has a lot of int&mastery and the debuff has a very low uptime
Oh wow, thanks for bringing that up and lucky for me to read it here. Have sold at least three of these over the last few weeks, one of them just yesterday. Restored it immediately.
you also forgot to mention that, with this playstyle, mastery becomes obsolete, which changes stat priority to crit vers for extra survivability and more throughput
Lotta WF raiders were opting for the survivability of vers but more ilvl/stam + nerfed fights mean that’s less critical. It’d a fair argument to want to front load more healing with more vers instead of the mastery hot (same argument as above tho being very valuable for wf but not as important for CE squads) but I wouldn’t call mastery obsolete by any means.
@@AutomaticJak obsolete was actually an over exaggeration cause I myself didn't move out of mastery, although the most throughput you can get from mastery is from halo spreading it, it is still valuable for sure
In my parses last night my Heal was only about 5% of my healing done. Is that normal? I felt like light well would have been a better choice since we’re progressing and people are often low on health
No that is not normal with this spec at all. It just means you're playing it wrong. Had my first full raid night with it yesterday and Heal was between 12-14% of my total healing consistently.
Great vid once again Jak! I've been stacking on crit / mastery gear (focused on the 'old' build AoE healing). What would your 'ideal' advice be on stats with this build (crit / mast / haste / vers wise?) with this lightweaver build? Any tips on what I should be aiming for? Thank you!!
What are your thoughts about raid Holy Priest shifting to a more haste centric build in raids? Lightweaver is incredibly mana efficient, and fights often end without even dipping below 50% mana. Haste also helps mitigate the amount of movement demand on most mythic encounters.
Try going thru some troubleshooting -Import in the ABOUT TAB -Make sure you copy the entire string and check for extra spaces at the start or end -Make sure you have the most up to date version of the addon for retail (I am always using the release version in curseforge)
Haste is better than many people think. I think you probably need more haste if you still have 20% or even more mana when the boss is down. I saw many holy priests end bosses with 60 or 70% mana. I mean, that's also a waste of mana.
Been playing for 17 years. Took a break through dragonflight when I had twins and came back for this expansion. I’m so grateful for the wholesome content you produce and specifically the healing priest guides you’ve been pumping out to help me get caught up to speed. Thank you! 🙏🏻
Yay!! Thanks for your new guide! It's well timed because I went lightweaving this week on our mythic prog after feeling underwhelming with AoE and 2 preservation just outhealing me completely. Thanks as always for sharing your wisdom and knowledge :)
You bet! Hopefully the evoker menace is brought down to earth soon 😂
I had the exact same feeling. Felt like under performing in our heroic progress raid and start looking at warcraflogs of my own and top raiders. I noticed people done use much aoe healing (probably because of the evokers in the group) and I switch to a more single target healing. I had an increase of around 150k of healing with the new build and same gear. Also overhealing is less of an issue as its single target and not aoe. In case of AOE our palading often top the player off when I was still casting.
After trying the AoE spec for the last three weeks, I was considering going Lightweaver myself this week since I wasn't seeing the results I wanted to see, especially on fights like Sikran and Ky'veza. Really glad to see you put this up today, the spec is quite close to what I've been used to using in M+ back in DF, so I'm looking forward to giving it a try this evening.
Thank you so much for this. Love your content. Straight, to the point and easy to follow. I also love watching it in action as you talk about it. I was feeling like my PoH and CoH were as effective as a wet paper napkin. Lightweaver is definitely the way to go ❤️
Great video to guide dear Holy Priest family! Very clear tips helping out new and experienced players to achieve their goals. Keep on rocking Jack!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Holy priest being the spotheal class cannot be comprehended by my mind, rip
Jak! The thumbnail was so cool i just had to come here to leave a comment.
Weird times we priest mains live in right now. I could possibly live with PoH/CoH being garbage if they just buffed PoM a bit. Or buff some of the PoM talents. 12% chance to leave a cruddy renew behind or a 15% chance to not consume a charge are asinine.
PoH has been garbage for years. It's not a smart heal, so it can overheal a ton... except its output is pretty weak, so that "ton" isn't very much anyway. And that's despite being slow to cast, expensive and having multiple talents to improve it.
Its one saving grace was reducing Sanctify cooldown - but Archon can do that through SoL procs, so even that niche is useless. It's a terrible spell that needs a rework.
@@kampa7671 interesting, i havent played since legion and it was really strong back then. 2 sec cast is all the speed it needs, that was such a blessing in legion down from the normal 2.5 sec, and it healing the target and closest people makes for the player having to target the correct players, so thats all fine. but yeah its definitely really weak. Legion only had sanctify PoH and PoM, with halo/CoH being crappy talent choices so the base spells were allowed to be strong. but right now theres such an inflation of aoe spells that they all are sucking away the power budget. id be happy to see half of these spells removed so that the remainders can feel good to use.
Well first try as a lightweaver holy tonight, full prepared with your guides ! =D, Hope I can save those tanks on Ovinax ! I'm blasting as disco in M+ and having a ton of fun, but really can't make it work in this raid, my outputs are just terrible so let's give it a try (and some gold)
Would not be able to find ressources for my priest this times without your content so thanks a lot for all the work
You got this!
@@AutomaticJak Thx god I was finaly usefull on raid ! Super fun spec to play :)
How do you do the thumbnails for your vids? theyre sooo cool
Looking forward to trying this in raid tonight. PoH/CoH was feeling pretty bad.
Jak this is so incredibly helpful!! Thank you king!!
I need help explaining and convincing my Holy Priest friend, who is our healer for m+, to understand that not casting Heal at all is hurting their Healing output. They are solely relying on flash heal for 40% of their overall healing. They refuse to use divine hymn and symbol of hope because they are "channels" but anytime we do keys +7 or higher, the second their is a lot of AOE damage going out 1 or 2 people die every single time. They also are focus healing dps instead of me 99% of the time. As a Veng DH I am doing 600-800k hps overall to keep myself alive, with more than a few occasions of doing 1.5m-2m hps on big pack pulls to survive. they are healing me for about 10-15% of their overall healing and I tell them if a dps dies it will suck but we will be alright, if I die as the tank we are all screwed.
Should I use the Lightwell build on the Queen because there’s a lot of movement? Or should I stick with Lightweaver?
Thanks :)
Have you tried running Sustained Potency instead of Energy Compression to further lean into Apotheosis?
Man, I had hoped to never be the single target spot heal b*tch again after Shadowlands...sucks that this spec is just so much stronger than the regular aoe heal one. At least the playstyle isn't quite as awful as Flash Concentration used to be.
I just updated my spec for raid and can almost keep up with our KSM/2k IO/pugged AOTC shaman.
😳 as a holy priest that is notorious in my raid for dying all the time during prog, I had no idea that Restitution was a talent. I’m dumb lmao….
This is a sign 😂
Danke!
Bitte!
Ty for this deep dive brotha ✊🏽
What's the point of taking "Say Your Prayers" if you're not taking Holy Word: Salvation?
I imagine more HPS would be dropping Say Your Prayers, dropping 1 point in Resonant Words and putting 2 points into Light of the Naaru. More reduction on your holy words means more HPS by casting more holy words, but also means more procs of Resonant Words. With 2 piece set bonus + Light of the Naaru, HW: Serenity comes off cooldown SO quickly.
SYP is only there for additional Answered Prayers stacks.
@@cat-vv9xb 15% chance is giving you 1 stack of Answered Prayers per Mending cast. It's functionally nothing. What're you getting, like 6 extra stacks per minute?
WoW theorycrafters seem really lazy compared to other games idk
thanks for this video, I was thinking about switching from lightwell since I found that it was performing low. So I guess with this build in raid you won't be using sanctify very much since it's only reduced by prayer of healing (and renovation but not casting it ofc)?
Archon makes your surge procs reduce sanctifys cd
Right! I forgot about that, thanks :)
Is it really not worth going for prayer of healing instead of prayer of mending? Ive done some tests and PoM loses a lot of healing without the oracle spec so those talents are a bit useless while PoH reduces sactify cd, you can also reduce the cost with that circle of healing talent and also with the bonus of 4 you cast it twice 50% of the times so you get a lot of sanctifys and also procc more resonant words. Don't you think?
Nah poh is incredibly weak
thing is, you would actually need to cast it. The point of this is, that lightweaver is strong for spothealing. When you cast Flashheal/heal you won't be casting PoH anyway, or you will be missing out on Serenity CDR.
I'm not sure I'll get an answer here but I'm not sure where elso to ask this: how good are embellishments for holy priest? Do you want two crafted items no matter what?
Questionably epic has the exact numbers but they’re like 16k hps each or so
@@AutomaticJak ah yeah, I've been using that for trinkets but didn't realize they covered embellishments as well. Will check that out once I'm home. Thanks a bunch for the reply. Really appreciate what you do for the community.
Anytime bro!
@automaticjak Do you think that this build will have stat priority of haste>mastery or will it be haste>crit?
I think having a decent amount of haste is good but not required. I'm still prioing Crit/Mastery in my build with ~9% haste. I might go a bit higher with haste to 12-15% and see how it feels but I would not be stacking haste past that
Hi Jak, for down time in raid and while im moving i spam a lot of renews. Should i replace it with smite if im standing?
I usually smite for more surge procs
@AutomaticJak ic thx!
which healer would you say is better for spothealing and tankhealing currently? This holy priest build or holy paladin?
HPriest
When is holy pala guide??
Should I worry about casting the Holy Words with 5 stacks of Pontifex?
I don't stress over counting stacks
Is there a addon that can track the stacks ect?
Wait, can i use Resurrection in Spirit form? Even in combat?
Sorry if thats a noob question, im a DH main. Trying to relearn priest for guild prog
Yep!
@@AutomaticJak 🤯
So does Afterlife not trigger our CR reserves? big if true, out of pure habit I didn't even consider that talent choice
Correct!
Any update on the trinket list? The shadow binding ritual knife is killing other trinkets in QE sims. Has a lot of int&mastery and the debuff has a very low uptime
Yep will update today
Oh wow, thanks for bringing that up and lucky for me to read it here. Have sold at least three of these over the last few weeks, one of them just yesterday. Restored it immediately.
you also forgot to mention that, with this playstyle, mastery becomes obsolete, which changes stat priority to crit vers for extra survivability and more throughput
Is that correct ? Every guide states mastery> vers
@@maxilenz4903 mastery has 0 influence on a pure ST scenario, ofc you still want some mastery but vers is better
Lotta WF raiders were opting for the survivability of vers but more ilvl/stam + nerfed fights mean that’s less critical.
It’d a fair argument to want to front load more healing with more vers instead of the mastery hot (same argument as above tho being very valuable for wf but not as important for CE squads) but I wouldn’t call mastery obsolete by any means.
@@AutomaticJak obsolete was actually an over exaggeration cause I myself didn't move out of mastery, although the most throughput you can get from mastery is from halo spreading it, it is still valuable for sure
In my parses last night my Heal was only about 5% of my healing done. Is that normal? I felt like light well would have been a better choice since we’re progressing and people are often low on health
No that is not normal with this spec at all. It just means you're playing it wrong. Had my first full raid night with it yesterday and Heal was between 12-14% of my total healing consistently.
Thanks! I’ll take a closer look at my spec and spell casting to see where I went wrong
Make an advanced video for disc!
Great vid once again Jak! I've been stacking on crit / mastery gear (focused on the 'old' build AoE healing). What would your 'ideal' advice be on stats with this build (crit / mast / haste / vers wise?) with this lightweaver build? Any tips on what I should be aiming for? Thank you!!
3min38 weak aura name pls ?
I keep seeing in your videos the ability to move while casting divine hymn, how do you do it? I cant figure it out
Spatial Paradox from Evokers
can we please get your current cell profile to import?
The pastebin comments have troubleshooting if you're having issues installing
Are you competing with holy pally for spot healing as a holy priest?
Ur exceeding their spot heals
How was he moving around casting divine hymn during ovanax?
Hax confirmed 😂
Personal Evoker servant casting Spatial Paradox on him. Without those, hymn gets very risky.
What are your thoughts about raid Holy Priest shifting to a more haste centric build in raids? Lightweaver is incredibly mana efficient, and fights often end without even dipping below 50% mana.
Haste also helps mitigate the amount of movement demand on most mythic encounters.
Thank you. I prefer to play Disc but at least for the second boss I need to play Holy and… I‘m so much struggling. 😂
Can you updated your CELL import link. I tried it yesterday and gave me an error. 😊
Try going thru some troubleshooting
-Import in the ABOUT TAB
-Make sure you copy the entire string and check for extra spaces at the start or end
-Make sure you have the most up to date version of the addon for retail (I am always using the release version in curseforge)
@@AutomaticJak likewise for the version. I just went to your website. I did double check if I copied the whole thing. I’ll try again later.
@@AutomaticJak It did work in the ABOUT TAB. Do i have to do anything special to get the different layouts to load when i change it?
talents from wowhead and vid are different bro can u just share talent code ?
What’s different? I highlighted both salv and apoth in the video and their use cases and talked about niche uses of restitution
you're showing the HOLY talents but what about the PRIEST talent tree? Can you send an ss for that too?
They’re in the description
Is your name actually jack?
Nah
Haste is better than many people think. I think you probably need more haste if you still have 20% or even more mana when the boss is down.
I saw many holy priests end bosses with 60 or 70% mana. I mean, that's also a waste of mana.
Farseer shaman is a better spot healer than hpriest imo but it just doesn't bring fort and spriest is bad.
There’s something fundamentally wrong with our healing if we have to resort to Apotheosis for raid healing
Idk sounds boring. 😐
What you mean is, it’s too easy.