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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2018
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Hello, how does the Magicewave 230 compare to a Miller AeroWave ? Adjustability/stability/prrcision wise ?
With 1 of the latest firmware they added the possibility to weld 6010 on mma with it's own specific program
Would this welder have additional benefits specifically for welding cupro-nickel compared to other tig welders?
I've used the microwave 900wat ma whole life 🤣
Spent 15 years at work using the magicwave 3000 amazing machine I actually first learnt tig on that set. If I ever have the money to buy the 220i I'm so getting one for my home shop. Nice video very well formatted and clearly presented
I've looked at their website, this is some seriously futuristic stuff. Just wow. One day...
Dang that things got some wild settings! Awesome video as always!
Love your presentation, very well explained and the most important part is your camera settings, are awesome actually I can see clearly what you're doing , not like other videos that I have seen where you only see a very intensive arc light, and nothing of the job been done, thanks you really enjoyed.
I have had the pleasure of using many different tig machines at my places of employment here in Australia. Fronius are by far, The Best Tig welder i have ever used. On AC nothing compares to it. I currently use a Kemppi Mls 230 mastertig that an $8000 AUD Tig machine and its AC is rubbish compared to Fronius. Seriously you dont know how good they are till you try one. Everybody may hate the torch but i actually like them. Job mode i use to do AC Pulse fusion welds on 3mm 5052 Aluminium tool boxes 2000mm long welds full penetration. then as you go around the corner flick one of the levers and switch up to the next job mode as you change from an outside corner to a lap joint. This is where the key card comes in perfectly once you've dialled in those pulse settings you don't want nobody going in and changing them. They still have access to the saved modes but cant change the particulars of the modes. Now Fronius send me a welder and i rubbish on Kemppi and sing your praises more.
LandRoverLife You should ask for a trade in deal
@@chris_b_liven they make one of the best Mig welders too. For ally anyway. TPS2700 and TPS270i. Im an Aussie too and thats all we use. We build boats and have about a dozen welders. One non fronius that sits in the corner all day haha
you should have the chance to try ewm, or lorch, they are nuts too; but i got a fronius myself as well
Did you ever try a EWM Tetrix? 🤔
Great review, very nice machine as I have one and love it. One correction, leave the head of torch "locked in", they all swivel around 360 degrees while locked. If you do it your way by unlocking to swivel, you then risk it popping off if you turn too far, especially with the water cooled torch. Also keep the rubber o-ring greased to prevent tearing. Cheers.
another great vid mate.fronius are the best machines ive used and even i know "miller is for drinkin,and lincoln is for welding"
Miller is for drinking, Lincoln is for driving, fronius is for welding
The A/C mode is outstanding from it's output and production. I like the frequency advance settings.
Just the best machines available! Using a trannssteel on my job and it's just the asome
One of the best speakers on RUclips! Thanks!
I bough a Miller Dynasty 300dx back in 2002 , and it was all this back then , probably the first inverter to do all of that !!!!!
This was auto 3phase or single phase 100% duty cycle !!!!!!!!
Please make one more video of this Magicwave ! Show more of the AC settings, and what you like to use welding aluminium. Keep up the good work ! Thanks.
This machine needs to be in my life
Thanks for a great review. Lots of information tips tricks and techniques. Obviously a very versatile machine. You take care.
Thanks for watching!
After watching your reviews on the AHP and Primeweld 225 machines I choose the Primeweld for 2 big reasons. 1 In your review you had said you would opt for it to start out with because of it's capabilities and 2 after reading other reviews of both machines the Primeweld had best/least customer service complaints. It was a close call but I am thrilled with the Primeweld and even more stoked about the super flex lead. So much better then the manual gas valved torch and lead for my dc only Vulcan One Pro 220. Money well spent and Thank you
Our company bought this machine 2 months ago and it's the first one ever sold in NZ. Great machine by the way the smallest water cooled torch and so flexible
Do you know who they bought it through (Auckland?) and, maybe, the price? thanks.
Not in a position to buy at present, but in time...
through digital weld...the main fronius distributor in NZ....this machine was not available in NZ so they flew it from Germany for us....it was $11000. the torch itself was $1000. software upgrade an extra as well where you can get more parameters to play with
that price is the whole package though...the inverter and the water cooler and the water cooled torch
Ouch, thanks, man - just need a LOTTO win now :-(
Great video as usual. I really appreciate your insight! Keep it up man
Nice setup and very good review. You make it look easy. Keep up the good work on the vids, Later Kelly Brown
Most of the equipment I have is 20+ years old. My stick is 100lbs or so. Never seen one like it. Never had it to full power even on 1/2" and 5/8" steel plate. And I'd say it would run near full power all day. It looks like a industrial welder. I'd like to upgrade my 120v mig go a good but not expensive tig. Something I can weld aluminum and other more difficult to weld matereals, ( hard to weld with what I have). Great video!!
JAMES! Since the 70's You have to look at the Fronius TransSteel 2200
How do you compare it to the dynasty 210dx for arc control?
Really good video.
Thanks.
I'm not native English speaker, but i get every single word.. very good pronouncing.
Not every youtubeurs are so well speaking
I really enjoyed this video. The Fronius i230 looks great. Is the CK Worldwide tig welder on this units level? Is there a third option I should be looking at?
Hello . If you put tge tacking function on and then the pulse function to a number of hertz what will happen ?
What are you doing with the tac mode? It's only to do points not for welding 🤔
Which import ac dc tig does the best welding thin metal?
has the tig250 digital from eastwood been tested
Wow 6k machine I would expect features like this!
Holy fuck, four years later and it's still almost $7000 out of the box...
After see this video i buy one fronius magic 230i ! Really a dream machine but broke now in my pocket have gab more job now T.T
How many Euro's it cost you
How well does the little LED work behind fixed glass? Looks like it would be a nice feature for keeping a fixed hood down doing a bunch of tack work
adam tankersley The LED faceplate? Or the the torch light 💡?
This machine looks pretty awesome. With a price tag of a little over $6000AUD, it had better be the best welder on the planet! I nearly fell over when I got the quote. Oh, that's without specking up to the more advanced features.
Ewm and kemppi are more expensive and lorch is on the same range so...
Ewm is more expensive?
awesome video man; I just subbed
Thank you!
I would like to get one of their mig welder one day, but $$$. Thanks for the review, like the show.
I just bought this maching and I'm a big newbie to Alu welding. I see you played around with the wave forms on AC. Could you possibly make a video that explains the different kinds a little bit more?
Very good 👍 and good here with you and you have 8been trying
@The Fabrication Series We want to purchase this machine, question is, gas or water-cooled? As the water cooled version is about 1000 usd more, on the other hand might as well....? It seems the torch does get much hotter with AC welding, for Alu, which we want to do a fair bit of. Please let me know what you think. Thanks for your help and for the great videos!
BEST OF THE BEST!!!
Off topic, but would appreciate your pro opinion /advice. I'm a retired welder /hobby guy. I'm going to buy a stick/tig welder. Looking at Everlast 160 STH. Anything comparable that you prefer in that price range ? Why ?
Thnx.
Ps. Love your vidoes
I absolutely love the build quality and the features are awesome. I wish a company would come out with welding machines with the same build quality just striped to the bare minimum with features. I'd pay premium for superior built quality machine but all the additional features (synergic, pulse, stich, multi-process, etc.) just make Fronius machines unaffordable for me. I still would love to own one.
I understand what you mean, but by comparison, what they have included (with the quality) vs the competition is very affordable. It's thousands less by the time you stack up other features and functions. It would be cool to see a very entry level with very high quality machine though. Maybe they'll be the first to do it.
I hope so. You're right they are affordable when you add the features and functions. I'd just wish they made one that didn't have those features and functions (cause I wouldn't use them) to keep the price down. No one makes simple machines anymore. The ones that are made simple are junk build wise. Fronius definitely has caught my eye because of the build quality. No one is making machines as tough.
Tony, I have a Fronius Transpocket 180 stick tig welder and it is amazing I think you can get one in the USA for 1500
@@tonybaggett1984 as a fronius daily user and owner, I have to say that quality is very high level, except for the cooling unit pump, wich is pretty cheap
Does this machine come with everything in the beginning of this video? Like the foot pedal, torch, ground lead, etc. Thanks
It has many buying options.
Is there part 2?
Review the magicwave 3000 please
Not currently available in the US yet. The only buy links are in the UK.
It is available in the US. Here's the dealer link: bit.ly/2IKEDgM
Hey Justin. Great video my friend. 👍 What's the amp range on this machine? I know goes to 230, but what's it's bottom amps? Thanks.
3 amps AC and DC
The Fabrication Series Really.?? Interesting. Thanks my friend. 👍
Cost?
I love this thing! I suppose for $4000 it SHOULD do all that.
Ask Miller haha they dont HAVE to include all that. Dynasty 280DX $5500 and nowhere near the features of the fronius. Ide LOVE to own one but I just cant drop $4500 yet of my own $. Everlast 325EXT will do just fine until I'm loaded or youtube famous and they send me one for free lol
Best have some very DEEP pockets to have this lil machine. 4200.00 to 4800.00 as of today. Makes the miller machines look like an affordable alternative lol
Jeremy Arnold A Miller Dynasty DX 210 TIG runner is selling online for around $ 5,800
A base line Dynasty 210 with nothing else is just $4k. Add a pedal, clamps, leads, etc - it goes up. Then add functions and features that the Fronius has that the Dynasty doesn't (that means buying a bigger Dynasty - not the 210). Now you have a $7k machine that still needs to be upgraded to match capabilities. Suddenly you're over $10k to do what this machine does. I think the Magicwave is a better investment.
For a beginner looking for a new tig setup I’m looking at the HTP 221, the AHP Alpha200, this Fronius or what I’m really looking at is the Everlast 255EXT. Any suggestions? I can go up to the Fronius price range if I really need to but I don’t want to if I don’t have to. Thanks. Love your vijeo’s!!!
A bit late suggestion but as a beginner I don't think you should buy a fronius: I mean it'not smart to spend 5k for something you don't even know if you like. I'd just buy a decent made in china welding machine (like the everlast) wich is a lot cheaper and at the end of the day would get the job done
Have you tried the Miller 210 dynasti, if so. How do you compare the 2 😃
Whats the price of this unit complete with water cooler?
I believe I read just under $6200.
So you have to upgrade to the PulsePro to get control over the background current and duty cycle?
Not anymore. After this review posted the standard package now includes the pulse pro package at no additional cost
Well hell yeah that does help.
I’m debating on 230i vs everlast325ext... which would you recommend...I’m a disabled single father sooo im not wealthy...would truly value your expert opinion
Ok its great that Fronius is in US but where are retailers selling this model ? and pricing I have herd that the unit you demo is msrp $6100-6500 WOW this way out DIY where are the dealers ?
Thanks
John Versluis You can find an online dealer at shopweldingsupplies.com/pages/search-results-page?q=magicwave+230i
And walk in www.fronius.com/en-us/usa/contact#!/contactconfig/%7B%22contactSelectbox1%22%3A%22Perfect%20Welding%22%2C%22contactSelectbox2%22%3A%22US%22%2C%22contactSelectbox3%22%3A%22Sales%20and%20Service%22%7D
There is a dealer link in the description. You'll either have to buy within your price range or save up (totally worth it if you do).
have you had any equipment malfunctions or encountered any problems in the last 4 years ?
Cap shaping was already on the Magicwave 1700 and 2200 job 😉 it's not New
token tools machine can be customized when buying. And you can get a 5 year warranty.
Sooo… this welder DOESN’T come with all options enabled like you implied at the beginning of the video. It’s extra (a lot) to be able to vary the pulse duty cycle?! Glad it comes standard with time and date though. 🙃
Send me one of that old ones at the back to SA
Have you ever worked with a EWM Welder?
If you have the chance please try it and make a Video like this.
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
I would love to test out one of those machines. I just can't find anything in the USA. I'm not sure they are even available here, but if the opportunity presents itself, I'll see what I can do.
EWM might have serious trouble with the American power supply. As far as I know they used to run only 220v at single phase power supply or 400V on 3 phase power supply.
The Fabrication Series if you ever come to Germany then go to "HDB Schweiss Shop"
The guys have also a RUclips Channel and they work mostly with EWM.
Great video, thanks!
You mentioned price several times, what do they cost?
They start around $4k depending on package.
Ok, thank you for answering Justin, I appreciate it.
@@TheFabricatorSeries i have seen you have mentioned the fact that After your review they include the pulse pro package with no additional costs: Is this an offer for U.S.A only, or the same offer Is worldwide? I'm an eu customer😁
Isn't everything you mention at the beginning (the frustrations) exactly what Fronius does? You need to spend another £300-£400 to unlock all the functions.
Check out the EWM Tetrix 230 AC/DC
More or less the same features, I love my
Im interested ln the tetrix expert 3.0
Hello Justin. I'm considering a new tig welder. I've been looking at the Lincoln Aspect 230 AC/DC. Habe you demo'd one of these welders? And if so, how does it compare to the fronius magic wave 230?
I would greatly appreciate any info you can offer.
Thanks
James
That was a great question that ide like to see answered. The aspect is over $1500 cheaper and just a few less features. And Lincoln you can have repaired locally. Idk though, I dont hear anyone boasting about their experience with the Aspect on the internet. That's why it's a fair question
@@DCweldingAndArt I went ahead a bought the Lincoln aspect 230. Oh My Gosh! This is an unbelievable welder! Super smooth and stable arc across the board! I am very pleased with this purchase especially that its an American machine. Yeah its assembled in china but is designed in America with American technology. If it breaks i can take it down the street and have it fixed in a week. Buy American! 🇺🇸💪
You're not buying American if the machine was made in China.
@@JesseWright68 Yes. The Lincoln aspect is assembled in China, and hope that will change? However its still designed in America with quality standards that must be met and fulfilled in order to produce an American made Quality machine...
But still Chinese😊just like iphone
THE BEST OF tHIS FEATURE. IT'S NOT IN THE MILLER AND ESAB FEATURE
👍👍
Hey, great videos man, Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina... I was wondering if you could do some videos on Kemppi units, Kempact 253/353A or the X8...
Name sounds like a late night kitchen appliance infomercial.
Thanks for NOT wasting everyone's time getting into the stick settings. I wouldn't purchase one of these to stick weld.
but its nice to have a machine that will do both , especially if you're a mobile onsite welder and dont want to carry 3 different machines.
@@heartobefelt yea but every TIG can actually used for Stick welding aswell🤷🏻♂️
This can also weld 6010 with one of the latest firmware update: you can weld everything
@@raulduke85 big deal
@@Joeak74 i think it is actually: the best part is that you get your firmware periodically updated and they add new functions and programs over time.
I was able to manually weld 2 pieces of 1/10 mm thickeness alluminum foils, with no copper base under it, with good results, for a particular application, using 10 khz pulse and ac freq maxed out; it' nuts
That is an insane welder, so much control and capability. The only thing its missing is an OBDII port haha
LSX_ moe OBDII is old school by comparison. Welcome to Fronius haha.
The Fabrication Series lol true that
it is a welders Dream ! 100% True
Justin, where do you purchase Fronius welders? Thanks
Joeak74 Dealer locator link is in the description.
I recently sold my Miller Syncrowave 250DX mainly because ever time I turned it ON it doubled my Electric Bill and had issues with it popping 60A C/B on heavy material. I bought this Fronius Magicwave 230I. Great machine, way more settings and adjustments than I know how to use. Smooth arc. I paired 230i with Miller Coolmate 4 water cooler and CK230SF Torch. I didn’t want the BIG Fronius Torch, since I never had hand controls on a Torch, I figured I wouldn’t miss out. First project was to make ZT Fab custom welding cart.
How are you liking it two years later?
Any updates ?
Two companies id buy from is HTP I love thier Pro Pulse and Invertig 221 and fronuis interests me. I think HTP is better priced but I can’t really compare the machines since I only own HTP machines and not fronuis. Good video brother, keep up good work
Welding Junkie Come to the shop one day or weekend. You can compare them side by side. Bring your camera gear too... we'll collab.
Hell yeah man, that's a plan. Would love to check out those fronius machines and even better collab, ill be in touch with you about that. Its insane that those things have some amazing adjustments. Adjusting EP and EN and changing each wave is crazy cool.
Can't wait😉
The 221 is an amazing machine and in my opinion the best value. I know as soon as I buy one, Stel, who makes HTP, will come out with a newer version, probably led screen like this Fronius or the Pro Pulse. Lol so I'm waiting. Fronius is out of my price range for now, but great technology and quality.
biaggiwins if you’re looking for 220 amps I would buy it now. They won’t be changing that machine anytime soon. But I think you might be correct on the next one but it won’t be 220 amp.
Is it available in Australia?
Steve Sanders They are located in Melbourne www.fronius.com/en-us/usa/contact#!/contactconfig/%7B%22contactSelectbox1%22%3A%22Corporate%22%2C%22contactSelectbox2%22%3A%22AU%22%7D
Yes.
Rapaz faz uma tradução pra eu entender oq e dito kkkkk
Looks Boss Like Rick Ross 🤘
Fronius caters to the wealthiest among us.
I first read the title as Fronius microwave.
Thanks! I just saw that. My bust.
Did you try 2k pps?
Mr Wolf I definitely did. Even ran 10k at Fronius HQ when I was up there. I kept it out of this vid because it is extremely high pitched and borderline obnoxious haha. I'll put it in a separate vid some day.
Legitimate uses?
@the fabrication series. So I got mine finally. My only problem is it keeps throwing low flow code and shuts me down. I've tried cleaning it out, no kinks in the hose I've changed all the settings and parameters. Everything you can think of. Is there a trick to it or have you had no issues with flow? Any tips? Thanks Justin
4800.00 only for you super tig-ers ;] as i would never use all that but its supperdupper cool it`s like the ultimate nerd welder or gamer pc i like both but need nether 1 i do not reckon
I contacted Fronius once inquiring about price and dealer availability, more than a year went by they never got back to me. Needless to say no dealers for this exist in my state. They rarely ever have these listed anywhere online to buy.
I'd rather give money to USAWeld or STEL, at least they aren't afraid to show prices online.
Man, stel Is italian and I'm from italy; i'm a welder and i tried both the stel and the fronius mw2200: there's no comparison.
Stel Is a nice machine, but the fronius Is totally in another level. Then i have to Say that in Italy the stel Is not that cheaper than the fronius: the mw 230 i costs 3300 euros (machine Only), while the stel costs 29xx euros.
I've Heard in usa the htp Is quiet cheaper (same as the stel) and the fronius Is around 5k: well it's a bit pricey, but in my experience Is defenetly a Better machine.
@@raulduke85 hi,man. Thanks for the comment. As an Italian welder, what do you think about cebora brand comparing to fronius and stel. Thanks in advance
@@Abu_Daud i only worked with a old cebora tig welding machine , pretty small, 180 amp peak current and it was a dc machine only: it was a nice little welding machine; but I don't know anything about the current models and honestly I don't know anyone using theese welders😅
Stel makes good welding machines, but I'd say that especially on 3phase welding machines stel don't stand a chance against fronius, not cause it's bad, but just because magicwaves have more features (now the Iweld has a lot more) and if I have to spend 8k for a stel, I'd rather spend 10 k for a magicwave. Sorry about cebora but can't help about it; but if you are interested in italian brands I can tell you that CEA brand with the model matrix produce a pretty nice unit👍🏻
4650 pounds= $6000 dollars. lots more features than the miller. Hows the warranty. Seems like it would be slow service.
Joeak74 where are you from? You can find online at shopweldingsupplies.com/pages/search-results-page?q=magicwave+230i
Kick ass review on a kick ass machine, but unfortunately Fronius' seem hard to come by. There was another review on a simpler Fronius awhile back, and while I really wanted that welder, it was nowhere to be found.......unless things have changed.....
Tommy T
You can find online at shopweldingsupplies.com/pages/search-results-page?q=magicwave+230i
Where you from?
I bought 2 Fronius machines from shopweldingsupplies.com with no issues and no problem getting needed parts so far.
FROH Nee Us dude. NOT FerOhNeeUs. Other than that? Excellent Great gear!
This machine does not do anything my EWM Tetrix 230 does, that my machine does 15kHz puls on both AC and DC
Bought my 2012
By the time time you've set it up to do a job it'll be home time.
That makes for an awesome kick back day if you ask me haha.... Once it's set up though, it's a time saver.
And if you save the settings, just a click or two to get back to them?
Fronius is a Great machine but $10,000 is a bit steep, Had both Fronius and Kempi reps display the ACX 2300 and 2200 Magicwave, I found Kemppi overall better, besides, I can buy Kemppi for $6,000. Both great machines but in the end a good welder can make anything look great.
ewmism you should check price
I'm in Australia Milky, what price do you have for the fronius?
ewmism Not sure on Australia pricing but there is a facility in Melbourne www.fronius.com/en-us/usa/contact#!/contactconfig/%7B%22contactSelectbox1%22%3A%22Corporate%22%2C%22contactSelectbox2%22%3A%22AU%22%7D
Man i dunno how much u pay a kemppi but an mw2200 costs around 4 k euros
not giving you the fave jobs list is a bit mean on a 3k machine too.
How much. Do us a favour and give us the MSRP or “as of this date, it’s listed at XXXX price”
Have you tried clicking any links or maybe Google (if you dont want to click links)? We dont put prices in videos because they might change. Announcing "as of this date" makes you click links or search anyway...
COST !!!?
esab buddy tig.... dya think you could review it....have not seen a review anywhere....its pretty dinky lookin. but real neat.
ESAB equipment is trash, dont even consider it.
Wow slow clap for sure
Professional level machine. ( 5 grand price!) If you are just starting out you can easily spend 6 grand to have everything you need. (gas, regulator, rods, etc) You didn't show it doing low amperage welds on thin materials.
5k is the starting price :)
I guess for the tree muggers,,cordless NUC power with Alexa voice command ..lol ...yikes....
Esab heliarc 280 is the least smooth machine I’ve felt in dc. Psyched for the fronius demo I have coming
Yah SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS I bet it does the welding all by itself for that price.
Darn I am really sorry you did not like that machine!