(WARNING: reading required below, tread carefully) Edit: I decided to not include a section in this video talking about how it doesn't matter that Citlali doesn't give Cryo res shred, because I wanted this video to focus on what Citlali DOES enable, not a disconnected argument about what Genshin needs in general to make Cryo more relevant to use. Maybe I shouldve made that video instead. Cryo off-field/supports is a fairly separate conversation than what on-field Cryo DPS units need. Citlali DOES make using Cryo off-field FAR more relevant than it was before. You can read through my replies to other comments if you want more of my perspective on that. Imo, if you want more options for buffing Cryo on fielders, you should be more upset about how Mavuika/PMC/Xilonen couldve been designed in ways to uniquely incentivize Cryo on fielders. Citlali having 20% cryo res shred wouldve changed little to nothing for on field Cryo DPS teams (and no, she never had that in beta, that is some weird misinfo apparently floating around, the only thing that changed is her burst dmg was nerfed slightly in beta). Original comment below: Alternative title: Gushing over Magical Grannies? I give you all permission to call me wet cardboard for insulting Mavuika like that lol. I do enjoy Mav's kit btw, but she mostly feels like a very strong Pyro DPS, whereas Citlali is something new. And my preference for characters in Genshin, particularly Archons, is that they be something new in the game, not just a goofy ah ah motocycle with Xiangling sidegrade potential. I can like Mav's kit while also feeling let down with the potential she could've had, basically. But Citlali's kit is archon enough for me that I am happy with the situation, ultimately. Also, I cut out talking about Kaeya C6 because imo it basically is vaporware (doesn't really exist). If you started playing Genshin today you could easier plan to get C6 Citlali before getting C6 Kaeya if you so desired (assuming Citlali reruns more than one time in 3 years), and it is utter nonsense that a C6 limited unit could be a point of comparison to C6 Kaeya by time taken to acquire. I've been playing for 3 years and it is going to take me another year and a half to get his C6 so it just is not relevant to talk about, even IF it has interesting value in being the fastest cryo application in the game. It is absolute stupid design that even if you play the game for 3 years you are punished for not magically knowing you should try to get copies with starglitter when you are brand new and know nothing for how to decide to spend your very limited resources (and remember starglitter is very valuable early on, and valuable as a f2p always). So yeah, imo C6 Kaeya should be treated as non-existent in the conversation about off-field Cryo in the game. C0 Citlali replaces his most relevant place to be used anyways (solo Cryo melt with Arle), just by slightly changing the timing on how you attack enemies. But it would be nice if it was easier to acquire so you could consider Citlali + Kaeya C6.
Not to flex or anything but my account luck is overall average except for the fact that I started playing in 3.7 and I have C6 Kaeya..not from the paimon shop or the chronicled banner but all from the standard banner..6 copies!...It's really crazy to me...I've never gotten any other starter char con but Kaeya 😌 Good thing is I actually do like playing him..Him & rosaria were my only built cryo until today when Citlali came home 🥰
What can she do for cryo to begin with? Elemental shred? Damage bonus? All of those already exist in the game. Cryo units are just out dated and poorly designed, no amount of premium units will save Ayaka from non-freezable content for example. They just need to release better dps for the element and watch how everyone's perception will change.
@@hitagi9558 soluna erroneously wrote in thumbnail "she makes cryo relevant again" that's a straight up lie, melt was always a popular reaction. Citlali didn't create a resurgence for cryo related reactions, not when compared to something like Ororon where he buffed electrocharge which was actually unique, or how Emilie brought life to burning.
@@DesdemonaLi Melt was popular only for doing reverse melt, for characters like Ganyu and Wrio. Forward melt was never this accessible because you have to at least have 2 cryo unit in the party or pray you get C6 Kaeya to reliably apply Cryo. Even then, non of them provided her level of buffing and utility. Citlali does make Cryo relevant because now we have a usable, strong and meta cryo unit. That will fit top meta teams, that's literally all it takes to make an element relevant. Geo is d*gshit before and was considered the worse element, now people are all in agreement that Cryo is worse. Simply because Xilonen exists and she doesn't do anything for Geo units unless you whale for her.
0:29 THIS is what I've been saying, citlali actually changes an account and makes new teams. Mavuika just does the natlan flavor of melt and vape while still being built around bennet
bro you saved me so many pulls with the sacfrag discussion in the other citlali video, i love that playstyle WAY more than how i would use her with her sig
I agree that its a fair conclusion given the criteria, but when this only applies to 2 from the 6 archons we had until now, i think that is a bad criteria to apply, i prefer take a more holistic approach, for example with Mavuika being similar to Raiden, we actually have 3 groups of archons until now (which makes me wonder what they will do to Tsarisa). Venti + Zhongli didn't add much for team building or inovative mechanics but they are the best of their category, if you need them, they are good, if you not, they're shit. Raiden + Mavuika makes up the DPS archon design, of being hybrid between off-field and on-field with support addons. Nahida + Furina makes up the support category, they represent an archetype in itself due to emboding the region-locked mechanics of their region, and really excel in what you need of an full support archon kit that is cracked utility + good elemental app. And if you group archons like this, you can see that Mavuika actually checks a lot of archon design decisions in her kit. The Raiden type of archon, but mixed with the Nahida type of archon, where she is the highest expression of her region gimmick mechanic of being the better representation of what the nightsoul mechanic is with the themes of the region, her pyro app is good, her utility isn't negligeable (like 60% damage bonus of scroll set + her burst is quite good is almost as good as Furina C0 but backwards), also she has a stack mechanic (which is half of the archons until now), and is a good jack of all trades for teams that need her element. On other hand Citlali is just a good support, i think she go to the Kazuha, Xianyun, Xilonen group. Also i think Mavuika makes cryo relevant again as much as Citlali, because melt teams weren't really a thing outside Gaming and weird C6 Kaeya Arlecchino. With Mavuika since she only need to melt her first hit to gain value of melt already, suddenly pratically every cryo unit that isn't physical focused became viable with her.
Imo this criteria applied to Venti on release, they just decided to release Kazuha less than a year later and to make sure he had very few situations his unique burst makes sense. Zhongli being a universal support/defensive unit is still relevant today. But yeah, I ultimately brought up Nahida and Furina because those were the two archon releases I experienced the before and after of while playing. My perception of an archon kit in the last couple years was heavily skewed by them, but theres nothing that says an archon cant have a kit that is on field DPS focused like Mav.
@Solunerra to be fair with Venti even though they countered him hard, today most of the enemies are sucked by his black hole.again its just that only VV + CC isn't that useful anymore, people prefer the buff + debuff combo that Kazuha offers even if with weaker CC. But yeah, i understand what make you arguee that, this is why i said that was a fair statement, but i wanted to show that given that the archon roster is 6 characters taking just the last 2 don't really reflect the "archon design" since you can see that they have a bunch os aspects that are consistent over "archon design" and when you see the whole, Mavuika actually ticks a lot of boxes of "archon design". But only taking Furina and Nahida in count, i would agree with you even tough i personally find Furina and Mavuika very close in terms of kit design, its just that in Furina case sub-dps and buffs is all that she has to offer, and Mavuika can offer a good on field damage too.
Citlalis personality literally overshadowed Mavuika and the Archon Quest for me. While I still pulled for 1 copy for Mavuika and her weapon I decided to go for C2 Citlali. Now she is honestly cracked and she feels like a C2 Nahida-esque unit to me that pulls alot of weight in so many comps
I doubt that would have ever been the case considering the role she plays in the narrative. A headstrong archon on the frontlines would not have a backlines-type kit. I think thats more likely the case for Mausau than Mavuika. Mavuika is more of the Xiangling replacement. She already is so much of that in overload, mono pyro, and Navia teams, as well as for Mualani especially since she will also reduce the nightsoul burst cooldown that makes Mualani burst nuke for a lot more. Some other character would be the Bennet replacement. Perhaps that would be Mausau
I pulled C0R1 Citlali for my C1R1 Hu Tao on my second account, and I have more than doubled my dps from my 4-star team. It changes the rotation a bit, but doing a massive melt with my burst in the start and then vaping my charged attacks with XQ is actually crazy, and with just two 5 stars I can clear domains at almost the same rate as my main account. In this case I find her weapon really good, since TTDS wouldn't make my rotations possible, and the 28% damage bonus is certainly better than ATK% bonus on Hu Tao specifically.
3:05 this is not the main point of your video but I wanted to comment on it anyways lol. I think Raiden's kit was pretty archon level at that time of the game. there were a lot of energy hungry teams and units which relied on burst damage, and she spurred many new national/rational team comps. Her support usage was huge back then! like Venti, I think her utility has just changed a lot as the state of the game changes-- she's more useful as on-field dps nowadays with the introduction of dendro, and also as the most powerful units move to being skill-focused rather than burst-focused
Yeah, ever since 3.0 burst focused characters had become less common and generally characters would have an easier time generating energy with exceptions like Dehya and Cyno who are considered flawed and Raiden doesn’t really help that much in that case. Probably the character that has synergises the most with Raiden’s kit as a battery/burst support since then is Furina since she lowers her ER requirements.
She definitely doesn't fix cryo. She ignores her element's weaknesses instead of fixing them. I do think she might add some value to other cryo off fielders due to how well she supports forward melt. The cr buffs from Rosaria and em buffs from Diona seem a lot more valuable now that there's a proper 5 star melt support.
Reading the comments is funny to see soluna arguing whether or not citlali herself made cryo more relevant thanks to the thumbnail *(Yes I watched the whole video)* Your takes are fair but one problem sticks out as to why people argue against your take The problem is that cryo as an element has the worst reactions in the game overall outside of geo, Freeze doesn't interact with bosses losing value for the longevity in the game *(I pray this changes),* Superconduct only being useful for physical DPS which the devs seem to forsaken since it never stood out, Reverse Melt being the only reaction that doesn't have downsides being used outside of the lack of supports to fill from both cryo and pyro respectively *(this can still evolve more one day)* That being said cryo itself will never be relevant objectively till they can create a kit that helps raise the use case of all cryo characters *(not just citlali herself)* and strength of the cryo element's effect on the game as a whole *(Nilou type kit for freeze)* and no amount of DMG buffing capabilities or a good DPS will change that, yes there will be duds and strong units just like any character for every element but citlali is still great for the game and I'd argue the best release cryo has gotten but *she didn't help how people perceive cryo* which I'm sure you can tell from how people argued against your take on how you feel about it Honestly citlali making double cryo melt teams is the best we got towards her use case that can effectively change someone's view of cryo, to me can be seen as a step in the right direction but it can also be seen as the devs probably making everyone wait til snezhnaya for cryo to finally get an established meta where cryo can start to shine even more and make people want to play cryo *(which while true is cringe to wait for as a player since patch 1.3)* From the way you orchestrated the video you highlighted citlali's strengths (archon level kit) more so than the perception that cryo as an element at a generalized standpoint is becoming more relevant *(thumbnail but in the video you say for yourself she made cryo more relevant)* Personally if citlali had res shred for cryo she would likely stand out more but I don't think she'd help rev melt but freeze more DMG wise but she'd still not be the help cryo needs pretty badly from a gameplay perspective even tho you can still clear content with cryo its just more painful compared to other elements whether agree with or not I hope the Cryo Archon changes the meta heavy making cryo stand out as it stands its arguably more important that they don't fail this compared to mavuika or cryo as an element will forever be looked down upon Like I said you're right about the takes you've said just giving a perspective on why people may disagree with you albeit to an extreme degree *(People just want to play cryo without having heavy situational downsides from the reactions itself mostly from freeze suffering the worst and melt just needs more love but the pyro element is partly to blame for why rev melt didn't standout for the longest time and still continues to do so outside of wriothesley the most and ganyu the least and same for superconduct that it needs more love)*
This is for higher investment, but i saved and pulled C2 Citlali and though it's absolutely cracked for my pyro teams, my absolute FAVORITE team with her is Ororon, Nahida, and Alhaitham. It's such a comfy Alhaitham team and it performs similarly to (and sometimes better) than Furina Kuki Quickbloom. The 250 EM, frontloaded additive damage, Scroll buff from Ororon, and shield just do so much work. Additionally, i have Citlali on Deepwood with over 1k EM which allows Nahida to run GT and Kagura's Verity while building crit. Citlali's nightsoul aligned dmg also procs Ororon's A4 damage for meaningful aggravates, and as a bow user, Ororon gets to run Elegy for additional buffing. Since there's no hydro involved, it also means 100% Quicken uptime, which is really nice for the extra Spreads. You can also do short rotations without using any bursts and all of Citlali's and Ororon's buffs still get activated, letting Alhaitham frontload a lot of quick damage with a short setup that his other teams just can't compete with at all. Incredibly flexible rotations with amazing performance while being insanely comfy due to the shielding
1:18 nope, absolutely wrong like lots of people, I don't know why or how it start and/or everyone agree with it and repeat it without thinking about it, but from beginning of genshin to this day all of the archons duo in different role. Venti zhongli are support, nahida furina are sub dps/buffer, raiden mauvika are main dps char with off field capability. So no not all or most archon are support, it's only 2 if them.
@anonymouscommenter2425 with example: bcuz someone (person who have lots of sexual realtionship) is whore it doesn't mean that person isn't male or female, so bcuz raiden good at battery team doesn't mean she isn't dps
I kinda agree that she saved cryo but not really, she kinda feels like when Navia released and she saved Geo. Except Geo's identity was mono element and non reactions so she feels like a fake Geo unit. Nonetheless she's currently the best cryo unit so on average it elevated cryo as an element (that's if you ranked every cryo unit and got the avg for these ranking) but the element is still cooked
Navia didn't save Geo. Navia saved herself lol Too bad they didn't have more ambition with Chiori... Hopefully Natlan part 2 doesn't fall in the same... mistakes. Cause I still don't think Chiori or Emilie were good investments... Maybe it's still missing a piece to push "raw dmg unit with little to no support capability" (I'd also include Yae in this list btw)
@re.n8208 exactly, not saying that she saved Geo but I'm talking about the people who said she saved geo also unironically chiori with Xilonen saved Geo...and every other element with the wheelchair team lol What's wrong with Emilie tho? I would like to have her for my kinich because he feels underwhelming without furina and there are no good subdps options for him other than Emilie sadly
@RieMUisthegoaT Emilie just doesn't do enough. She's dmg. I'd like to say unconditional dmg, but actually that's not the case, you need burning, being in range, and her being properly invest (I have her without her signature weapon and it's underwhelming) She's serviceable, and I get what they were going for, but similarly to Chiori or Yae, she could/should have done more. I play her as an burning enabler for Muluani or Wrio teams and... eh. In Wrio's case, sadly Thoma is often not enough to keep up burning. It basically depends on the content. But many times I end up with a lack of Pyro off field application which is super frustrating. I don't mind a character having a niche, but in this case make them Chevreuse. Make them enable new teams, carry an archetype and being OP in their archetype. Emilie just didn't do that for burning teams. And at the end of the day Kinich might be the only DPS that wants her, and it's not like he really wants her, they just didn't give him great synergy with other units The problem actually extends to other things in this game. We need more stuff not tied to conditions (NA/CA triggers). Emilie having one of her constellations in kit AND being a Natlan character would have been a game changer. Because Nightsoul would enable so much and make her feel like a Natlan pre release. Currently I have little doubt any Dendro subdps/support released in Natlan would match her performance easily. But welp I think the more pressing issue isn't really to improve Emilie, but to give us better off field Pyro options. Kinda sucks that Xinyan would have been a decent unit if her Pyro Application didn't entirely depend on her shield (No ICD small Pyro pulse around yourself is actually good lol). Same for Dehya, I get it Xiangling is their baby and they're scared of the lack of balance a good new option would introduce... But come on, we're past that point now. We just want to have fun and stuff that actually work. And if that's too OP for them, just wall Pyro for a region or two the way they walled Cryo lol (I'm sure it'll manage anyway)
If your already at C1 on her, I highly recommend getting her C2. It's busted for some of the teams your thinking of, my Arle for example is hitting 500k-600k hits
pretty mid take imo, according to your logic it’s just a subjective take on what you think an archon should be, shouldn’t an archon be whatever it CAN be ? i mean it’s an archon. why do they have to be tied to supportive capabilities? just because you played through furina and nahida? citlali doesn’t save cryo she just gives cryo a not dogshit option
it probably isn’t fair to call it a mid since it’s your opinion and there is no factual truth, me saying mid is just another opinion, so i take that back, but saving cryo still feels like an objective stretch
I like the way it extends dendro aura in fridge teams I think it's beneficial to have an element that allows for freeze without stealing bloom reactions. Its especially useful in overworld
Not sure I'd agree with her kit feeling more Archon-like, but I am disappointed in Mauvika's kit. Nahida, Furina and Raiden all have top notch off-field elemental application. This has (in my case) made Raiden become more relevant over time even as her "intended" burst damage became less relevant. All I wanted was the pyro equivalent but Mauvika's feels iffy at best and is overshadowed so much by her absurd Q numbers that any time you're NOT using her as the carry it feels silly, made all the worse by her Q only being charged by Natlan characters. I saw comments in another video recently talking about how SR was "more power creepy" because it was a turn based RPG so numbers were more true than Genshin, where player error is a factor. I don't know if I agree with that, but SR's powercreep doesn't feel anywhere near as bad to me because the new characters are constantly dragging old characters up to be relevant again, or in some cases, for the first time in that characters existence. Meanwhile Natlan has had a bunch of releases that utilize nightsoul and just arbitrarily nepotize each other into teams and actively discriminate against running older characters, why run Albedo when you can run Kachina who does similar, but has nightsoul effects and has the broken new artifact sets, which are also arbitrarily limited to characters from the zone? I really hope this isn't the long term direction that Mihoyo are going vs the ouisia / health change mechanics of Fontaine that felt either unimpactful or at least universally available. To get a bit back to topic, Mauvika makes older characters feel more obsolete because no nightsoul = no Mauivka enabling. I think Citlali feels "archon" in comparison because she actually helps older characters have relevance, the only elephant in the room being that if you have Citlali and Mauvika then you're a fool not to slap them together, which isn't exactly great for team building.
theorically Mavuika no ICD with high AoE can shine in the future too like Raiden, the feeling that you'ree describing about Mavuika is the same people had with Raiden on release, even today there are people that consider using hyperbloom Raiden as a meme because using her burst is so much better. so if Raiden is the base i don't get the comparasion, maybe its just anacronism. I've been messing around with Ayaka + Mavuika, and if they release a hybrid cryo DPS, it could be a really interesting way to use Mavuika as a dual DPS playstyle. With Ayaka you can melt Mavuika donuts with Ayaka burst, and melt all her E hits with simple NA string + dash, which allows her to recharge her burst easely too. Its hard to pass 50k melts with lvl6 talents, this is basically unreacted burst donut with Bennet. I think her E has a lot of potential alone even if you burst every other rotation.
The grand total of old dps that SR has buffed is.. only jingyuan.. meanwhile, blade, JL, danil,etc.. are on life support right now. Also new op characters in genshin are not so much stronger that old good teams become obsolete.. Only team archetype I can think of which was considered op but quickly lost steam was monocryo (also venti during release) but imo their flaws were very obvious if you took a moment to think of their performance outside of the abysses clearly designed to absolutely favor them.
Raiden has dogshit elemental application. She applies electro every 3 years. Hyperbloom just doesnt care about application instead of hits. Mavuika is not locked to natlan characters as badly as you people pretend she is. By herself she charges 80 FS per rotation, you just gotta do some amount of normal attacks and you will get there. Otherwise pull C1 and get there with just her E. Her C2 is also very good for support. I really hope every future character gets judged with even 1% of the critical lens applied to mavuika because its honestly quite insane. Feels like people are comparing Mavuika C0 to the previous archons at C2+ and are surprised when she doesnt stack up until you also pull C2. Its an archon everyone, by now you should know that getting cons on these is pretty good....
@@lucasayabe Yeah as much as I love furina her C0 is a totally different character from C2+ and thats easy to forget if you play her a lot at higher cons. Same with nahida except most people dont really play nahida anymore but still have the memories of those times during 3.2 when she was the craziest thing ever.
I used Citlali with Ayato and Furina, cleared abyss 1st half 1st chamber in 90sec. Considering how demanding is current abyss with the dps check i think she is good hydro support.
Hearing you say that Raiden's kit was designed to be an on-field DPS Archon is so wild to me cause when she released everyone was losing their shit that no, she is an off-field unit and you can't use her as a main DPS effectively yada yada
Yanfei doesn't like Citlali. Her A4 is just too much rapid pyro app. And because of her blunt charge attacks, vape melt tends to be a loss as a result of her shattering frozen targets rather than melting.
Mavuika being the "dps archon" essentially, kinda makes sense since pyro is the element of power. I think if she was just a support it would feel kinda strange.
How about, to fit with the theme of "fighting with her friends", a strong pyro onfielder that builds up a teamwide atk% buff by onfielding? I think that would be a very appropriate way to incorporate archon-like design elements into a dps unit and it isn't incredibly greedy and deprived.
She couldve been balanced slightly differently in order to do more of both roles that she already can do in her base kit. Im not saying she should’ve completely been redesigned to be pyro Furina or anything
I think you're missing the point in saying "Archon level kit" Archons are made to represent both their nation and their element, Mavuika and Raiden fit that very well, Electro's identity is Energy related things and Pyro's identity is DPS (hence the 2 amplifying reactions), You can look at all archons and see that they represent their element very well with their kit (except venti because anemo's identity changed at some point and now is kinda lost between grouping, buffing and elemental absorption, so i'd say that kazuha's kit would fit the "Archon level kit" better than venti)
Tbf venti has the hardest grouping of any character its just too good to work with everything and there became more niche compared to kazuha who groups less strongly but against more types of enemies and in a less cringe way(autotargeting is so bad on venti ult). Also buffing ofc.
@@iluvfurina2 I thought about it and i honestly don't know, altough xilonen made her cryo specific buff from C2 be Crit DMG so perhaps they'll change the elements identity to be crit in general from now on (maybe the first specialised crit buffer so like a crit DMG buff or a Crit ratio balancer that converts crit rate to crit dmg when overcapped)
I really liked this video! I agree with your perspective on Citlali and I mostly only pulled for her because I love her personality and her reading hobby reminds me of myself. I'm excited for your DPS Citlali & DPS Chevreuse vids
Ngl i just pulled for citlali bc i know Mavuika is going to get a rerun in a few patches so i'm better off getting Citlali instead of her because who knows when Citlali's going to get a rerun
Granny is great on a melt/freeze/vape team but it feels like Archons were always locked into a specific role so that's why she feels more supportive than Mavuika. Venti was the mob grouping Archon, Zhongli was the Shielding Archon, Raiden was the ER Archon, Nahida was the EM Archon and Furina was the Healer Archon, what else was there for Mavuika in that case if not being the DPS Archon? the Tsaritsa will probably have to be something like the Crit Archon seeing that Hoyo doesn't want to fix Cryo being bad at everything that is not Melt due to Freeze being too powerfull of a mechanic and Superconduct boosting a type of damage that they have never even cared to work around(Physical).
While I also was more interested in Citlali I was put off by the lack of cryo buffing as I still enjoy Ayaka freeze & Wrio melt. Yes Citlali would buff the hydro & pyro in those teams but the on field unit gets nothing apart from some shielding. Unless I'm missing something which is possible, but I'll skip this phase & take more time to evaluate whether I want/need either character. I'd much rather have a Chino than a Mav anyway so that's where my primos are going for this patch.
3:25 Raiden is not an on field dps, you can make her a dps for sure especially at c2, but at the end of the day she's a supportive sub dps. basically bringing her replaces any energy recharge you're missing ( or any at all, you really dont need energy recharge when she exists) and she's supposed to be used at the tail end of a rotation so everyone can be ready to burst again after. she also buffs everyone burst dmg% so she has a very supportive kit, people just saw booba sword and said "i wanna smack people with that" she's also good for constantly electro application if you need it. so I'd say Raiden is a pretty good archon level unit. it's just so happens that she buffs herself in the process making her do nice dmg. mavuika on the other hand i understand
Raiden does not negate the need for ER, if you take her out of the teams she is bursting in and put another support there that is able to quick swap, you'd be able to use skills in the other characters and catch particles with them. As an example, compare ER need in Rational with sucrose national, it is extremely similar so she isn't really an energy cheat code, she is just a driver option for most of her best teams (obviously pre C2 because she becomes better as a carry by then)
@@8oito264 look at it realistically, no player that genuinely just wants to play for fun is going to look into particle catching mechanics, that's just something we find out as things go from youtubers and such, and even after we learn it most don't wanna be bothered with it so they just stack up on er anyway. archons are supposed to make things easier, venti crowd control, Zhongli defensiveness, Raiden energy recharge, Nahida EM, Furina everything that exists, and idk about Mavuika I guess dmg. Raiden removes the need (maybe not all need, that was a bit extreme to say i admit), but alot of er requirements. she is a cheat, I can supercharge my 116% er Eula with my Raiden simply because I have a lot of er on Raiden, and everyone will have a lot of er on Raiden because she scales on er. sure she can't go on every comp, but you can use her as a battery pack very easily and I think anyone who can move requirements for most people down is a good archon level kit. with the additional benifit that she smacks people so hard that it one shots most enemies
@@midoi8161 it would be correct except she has the highest cost burst in the game and want to be played in teams with high cost bursts to build resolve stacks, so Raiden teams usually feel more the lack of ER than the others and you are forced to use fav in some of the characters to help anyways. She only reduces team ER requirements if she's the carry of the team otherwise she's dps loss that extends rotation duration if you use her burst as battery. Raiden ER refund is nowhere close to what Zhongli shield do or Venti in his golden times, she doesn't trivialize ER just help with it to the point most of the time Fischil is very competitive with her to reduce ER requirements.
@@lucasayabe her having a high burst cost really dosent matter when she wants over 200 er. there comes a point when its just a build issue. but ngl I forgot about the resolve stacks, but that only effects her dmg output no? I dont think that effects the energy recharge, the base is always 2.5 energy and her energy restoration comes from her talents with is every 1% er over 100% = .6 greater energy restoration. so if we're talking battery it should not be an issue. As for the resolve stacks that only effect her burst dmg and her little lightning attacks after, and while having a high burst costs does help with her burst dmg buff even a 60 cost one will get about a 18% increase which isnt a insignificant increase especially since it's a separate multiplier than most available bonuses so it scales high. so while I do agree it's not as impactful as someone like Zhongli I feel like she still has an archon level of support. only person she would not buff is mavuika ironically. also isnt fav one of her best weapons in general? I don't see that as a downside. even if it's ran on other characters as long as the dps doesn't gotta use it I think it's fine. but in most cases if you just give her Favonius you shouldn't need other people to carry it. like you gotta be really thirsting for energy if you need a raiden holding favonius and another character holding favonious thats a whole other problem in itself. I don't even thng thats possible.
@@midoi8161 Tbf Mavuika makes things easier by one shotting everything but i pretty much agree with you except for raiden one shotting enemies, maybe in overworld against some fuckass enemies but not in abyss for sure, sometimes i forget that most players can't be bothered to catch particles as it is kinda second nature for the people i talk to/watch that play this game
Idk if he’ll see a comment on a vid 5 days later but I been experimenting with C2 Citlali on Spread/Aggravate teams. Since Cryo doesn’t interact with Dendro, Citlali won’t remove quicken aura and provide decent interruption resistance and a shield. C1 Citlali is a very nice 10 proc flat talent bonus and C2 is a crazy 250 EM buff. With aggravate it’s very very easy to trigger scrolls for the electro carry and Nahida when casting burst can actually use the EM Citlali’s C2 provides and contribute it towards her own EM share (Of course up to 1000 but it allows you to focus on more offensive stats for Nahida). When it comes to spread teams Citlali doesn’t interact with dendro, but you know who can, Ororon. Generally Ororon with Dendro doesn’t work the best because it’s harder to get consistent triggers of his passive to get into nightsoul state for the full scrolls buff. But with Citlali he can trigger the passive because Citlali’s shield cast and DoTs are Nightsoul aligned damage and he can apply electro without ever being onfield in a whole rotation and you always maintain the quicken aura because Cryo isn’t taking anything away. It’s honestly my most favorite tighnari team now because you feel really fragile running Furina, and Zhongli only really provides shred and a questionable tenacity buff. While Citlali can provide TTDS or her signature weapon buff, 10 procs of additional flat talent buffs, 250 EM, consistent tenacity or scrolls buff depending on if it’s spread or aggravate, mind you, you need C2 to really reap the benefits, but I been enjoying it a lot.
One thing on citlali with mualani You can use citlali as a replacement for xilonen if you use burning, its not an upgrade, but I like not having to relay on xilonen for being able to use mualani
Ironically, I feel like her and Ororon could be used in a superconduct-centric team. Could even add in hydro and pyro with a claymore to make it some fucked up fusion of several reactons at once.
I love Citlali's personality and design, I just wish she did more for my account. I don't have Zhongli, so I was hoping she'd finally be a powerful shielder that could keep my Huotao alive, but her shields so far have just been way too brittle to keep her alive in a fight. I want to get a better team for Citlali so I can justify running her, but I'm currently torn on the best/most fun way to do that. I'm at 50/50, 70 pity, and have been debating on if I should go for C1 Citlali, pull for Mauvika, or wait to try and grab Furina on her next rerun.
soluna is usually such a good reference but this video is so misleading. citlali did not make cryo relevant again. the element still struggles to have a place in meta because of not having the right supports and the DPSes out there aren't outstanding. citlali doesn't mitigate either of these weaknesses.
Ayaka with Mistsplitter at C0 is still good to this day. I did recently pick up Citlali and I could tell the performance improvement. Yes Shenhe is still great for Ayaka, but look how long it took for her to get a rerun.
Citlali is literally a far far more compelling Cryo support than we have ever gotten before. Like shes does enough to actually consider using Cryo to support other things going on in the team. Her existence means we have reason to do something other than just Vaporize as the default for Pyro units in the vast majority of cases now, and that is awesome. The very fact that people can use Citilali in a bunch of different teams when needing to use Hydro for your Pyro DPS always before is evidence of this. If she didnt mitigate the issues the weaknesses you being up we wouldnt even see people play her with Mavuika, let alone other pyro dps units. No, she isnt groundbreakingly strong to a degree where she completely makes doing vaporize irrelevant. It wouldve been a bit imbalanced to do something like double the rate of her cryo application and nearly invalidate any reason to do Vaporize teams. Is that what you need to consider doing Melt? My point here is that if you think Citlali doesnt mitigate many issues with Cryo supports, why? Where is the line in your mind that is required for an off field Cryo support/buffer/defensive unit to give reasons to consider using melt? Do you feel C2 needed to be in base kit? Like thats only a small amount more buffing on paper, but in practice makes her significant powercreep over Kazuha for Pyro/Hydro, probably the two most relevant elements Kazuha buffs. We needed more compelling reasons to consider doing something like Melt Amber without it being extremely clunky or difficult to pull off. She literally addresses most of the issues with cryo supports (no she doesnt buff other cryos as much, she doesn’t need to, other Cryos need things other than off field Cryo to help buff them). Yes Id like more ways to buff other Cryos, imo they had a missed opportunity with Xilos release there. Citlali didnt need to buff other cryos to give reasons to use Cryo again
im glad that im actually seeing alot of stuff about dps citlali, she was my favorite in the story. i was honestly kinda underwhelmed by mavuikas kit when i did the character trials when she was so hyped up by everyone
Trust me Ive been playing ayaka freeze for 3 years straight in abyss No supports can make freeze teams truly suitable for new enemies like lava avatars. Though ayaka new premium team is strong "xilonen, furina, shenhe, ayaka" it still does not solve the problem. Putting citlali there does not help either, so how do we adapt or brute force? Only need two things 1. Furina 2. And hunter set With hunter set, we can ensure crit without consistent freeze reaction And since we cant freeze them, just use some tricks like baiting them into the wall, cast ayaka burst there so even though they're getting staggered, they still get hit. Tips for ayaka freeze comps 1. Priority pull is Furina 2. Having xilonen and shenhe is best, but you can also use; 3. Furina kazuha Charlotte 4. Worst case scenario, you dont have you Charlotte lol(sad you lose access of ttds and get inferior healing) actually thats me using diona instead but clear time last abyss (5.2) was not bad, this time too, in current abyss shes doing fine in top half except 3rd chamber. Bottom half, just need to worry about geovishap moving around too much, the rest is easy. So other than lava avatars, and fatuis from Fontaine, i dont think theres other enemies that are concerning as them for freeze comps (tell me if i forgot something)
27:08 Haha, that's what I did (C2 Citlali). I think the only way for me to get Mavuika's copy is losing to her on an Archon Chronicles or something, lol.
I have to disagree with the claim that mavuika doesn’t have much character development, but the weird 10 minute short was all I’ve seen. It shows that mavuika is someone whose determination is stronger than her mind can handle, which is at least an interesting character flaw, but I agree that the in game quests don’t really show this at all.
I use Citlani in Kinich burning team to remove the burning aura with her burst, so that the pyro Cinder City user can trigger burning reaction every rotation and makes the artifact set buff works more than one time.
I don't think your take on Mavuika is really all that fair. Don't take this wrongly, I was dissapointed in her kit aswell. But now that people are getting her and actually testing her, me included, she may not be outright a Xiangling powercreep, but she do replace her in some teams and make the teams even more powerful. She is currently part of Kinichi's and Mualani's best teams, imo Chasca aswell but this is debatable and depends on how you like to play. Not to say that she also works with Neuvillette, Clorinde, and even Arlecchino for overload even though this in theory would not be her BEST best team. And the list goes on. Xiangling didn't lose her value but Mavuika provides value in a different manner that can replace Xiangling in lots of teams. She as a sub-DPS and support is actually really good, the only thing is that most people, me included see her as sub-DPS or support as a waste of her potential and the teams would end up doing less damage than main DPS Mavuika. She may not be a ultra game changer that enter in all teams and works with everyone and everything. But she does give a bit more versatility to older and newer teams and is a plus for many of them. Again, I think she could be way more, everyone wanted her to be a powercreep to Bennet and Xiangling. This is literally the one time gacha players wanted a powercreep badly and would not get mad at it, they had all the reasons and support to do it, instead they made a Xiangling that is better in some scenarios but worse in others.
can confirm pyro traveler and citlali work amazingly together. i say that because usually i have the issue of too much pyro being applied since i use kazuha to swirl pyro off of bennets burst, but citlali's application and the timing all works if you go bennet, kazuha, citlali skill and burst, pyro traveler burst. BIG MELT. I was so happy the first time i hit 400k with traveler burst no potion no food buff. idk about abyss tho. pyro traveler is a little energy hungry. running kazuha with xiphos and bennet with favonius is helpful but even then there are still some struggles meeting the wnergy demand.
I like Citlali more than Mav because cryo Bias but at this point I find more values in supports that buff decently strong characters I already have like for me Hu Tao(I don’t have arle lol) or even Neuvillette who didn’t need the buff but it’s funny.
I actually like doing melt Ganyu with Citlali, Mavuika, and Nahida 🙃 Overall I'm of the same mind as you regarding Citlali. I got her weapon because it's my favourite looking weapon in the game, but also because with this weapon and Scroll set, she buffs any PHEC character by 68% which is very close to Furina. But I also agree that her C1 achieves the goal of making her an universal buffer much better than the weapon and at the end of the day I only pulled for the weapon cause I think it's cute. I just wish her C1 was her passive instead or something...
I'd love to see some examples of Citlali's Dendro teams in action, because everything I tried just didn't feel as good as replacing her with another Dendro/Hydro character in the team. I wanna believe the potential is there, I've just struggled to make it work myself and hope the great Soluna can come to the rescue!!
citlali replaced kazuha(C0, freedom sworn(R1) on my neuvi team cause neuvi dosent really need to group the characters to use his skill, so the whole team now is neuvi (C2, tomb of eternal flow ), furina(C0, weapon variable), citlali (C0, signiture) and xilonin(C0, craftable natlan weapon R1). a lot of my teams over my time playing genshin have been freeze or bloom/hyperbloom teams. the team works well and its fun to play
I pulled for C2R1 Citlali and am looking forward to a C1 Citlali video. I originally was gonna stop at C1 because it was basically like pulling for a universal shenhe. Interested on what you have cooking
Citlali made me appreciate cryo characters more (not looking at you, c3 qiqi) and I'll definitely try and go for her c1-2 in the future, cause im currently saving my pulls for Shenhe, dunno if i'll use her, but she's been one of my favourites for years. Regarding Citlali, playing melt Arle is so damn strong, i can't believe it lmao
You should try out Superconduct Driver Citlali. I'm still salty with the fact that they gave her Superconduct color palette & yet made her a Melt/Freeze Support 😢 Hey, at least you can double dip with EM for damage & shield strength.
This was helpful, ty! I didn't like the motorcycle so I pulled her instead :-) For your melt Amber. This only works with Ayaka. Amber, Bennett, Layla (with high energy) and Ayaka. Better than expected!
I completely agree with your opinion about Mavuika's C1 - I mainly wanted her for off-field pyro app to open up cool team possibilities because I hate Xiangling and refuse to use her lol so it was really annoying to me that I had to pull C1 to do that efficiently
Although I dont think Citlali's kit is an archon-level kit, I do agree that Mavuika doesn't feel like an archon kit. She just feels like any other dps with inflated numbers and her numbers are so inflated that playing her off-field feels bad. Idk man, I was just looking for a Bennet side grade without circle impact but Hoyo couldn't even do that. The worst part is that she also uses Bennet like WTF hoyo at least make her a non bennet dps if you so want her to be a DPS. Bennet remains the true pyro archon imo.
Your brain must've sent a signal to mine a couple of nights ago, because I basically pulled myself out of bed at 8 am, panic pulled Citlali, and went back to sleep, and I've never felt so actually happy with a Natlan unit (No, I don't have Xilonen). I don't know if you remember my just entire rant on how I was hoping Mavuika could've been a sidegrade to Xiangling and just ended up so much worse than I thought for International, but Citlali allows Kazuha to be flexed out and it's been so much more fun playing that team. I will say as a person who used Layla for Neuvillette's team due to the cooldown being better, and also having the constellation that increases charged attack damage, Citlali's off field did feel more significant in that team. Plus she consolidates roles really well to flex in other characters. I actually went to the opposite route of trying out Arlecchino with Citlali and just tossed her in Kazuha's slot for her basic vape team. It's still basically a vape team with Xingqiu, but it's way less skill focused than the Kazuha variant. Plus, shielding is nice. Especially for Arlecchino who can neither healer nor mitigate damage. Also got way higher hits. Then finally my 4th success with Citlali was with Chasca using Bennett and Furina. I got a 100k tick on the final shot and it was just very very nice. I'll miss using Ororon but again, having a flexible support is nice. I was going to get Mavuika regardless because I do actually find her a good Archon in story with a good personality myself, plus I like to collect, but Citlali has quickly become my new favorite buffer. I used Fav Codex with her since if I'm using her in this new International variant (the fact we finally get to have a variant of this AT ALL is amazing and already grants her pseudo-Archon status to me) I'm going to need the particles for the blackhole that's Xiangling lol. Even back in beta, I thought that Citlali's kit sounded like more of what I would expect from an Archon.
sac frags basicly changes her required substats entirely, if she has the 2pc scroll and this she does not need a single ER%, as soon as you use another weapon even an ER% time piece might not be enough, the sheer amount of particles she generates is just absolutely insane, but i also don't think her signature buff for herself or other chars is enough to outweigh the extra nightsoul points at low constellations, at high cons you don't have use for sacfrags anymore instead as it stops benefiting her... i can't believe what kind of c6 they gave her with permanent cryo application that follows you ... and a c6 mavuika can also replace xianling while still being a dps if you want to swap to her, the offield flamestrider is... something else visually
ok but why would you want to play one of the most counterintuitive antisynergistic teams ever 😭 you thinking c1 is needed for Raiden-Mavuika is weird bc they were never meant to be played together
It was an example of a team where you could replace XL, but is not an upgrade in practice because of not getting her burst back. I mentioned it as one example of a team where I wanted her C1 so she universally can replace XL. Thats all. The fact that you think that is anti synergistic is a bit odd, have you not seen Chevreuse teams before?
@ well considering that the two units in question, Mavuika and Raiden, have kits that just don’t work together. especially in a chevreuse team where energy costs aren’t even that high if replacing xiangling, raiden’s resolve stacks would be minimal. then raiden’s attacks don’t count toward building up (iirc)mavuika’s ult so her damage is also not as high as it could be.
@@Solunerra Seems like thats more on raiden being a bad character with design flaws as the same thing thats stopping beidou from working with raiden is stopping raiden from making Fighting spirit in her burst.
she was the first char in 4 years of playing where my interest in her went form 100 to 0 after seeing her kit. Being a niche support to the best performing characters in the game is not valuable for me even though i have everyone she is BIS for she just feels worthless, if she also buffed hugely some of my underperforming units that don't even have any good supports then i would have pulled her in a heartbeat
THIS THIS THIS. As a cryo main, why do we need a cryo character that buffs every part of a cryo reaction BUT the cryo? She can’t ’make cryo relevant’ if she’s the only relevant cryo character lmao. They could have just made her support all three elements.
Thinking to get her one day bc she does seem fun, even if hydro or pyro dpsing isnt my thing, she still seems useful. Banner layouts dont really benefit me rn so hopefully one day I can get her
@@kage6271 Sure, but I think we should focus on what is actually in the game right now, not what could exist in the future. I thought we would get more options for atk buffing in either Mavuika or Pyro Traveler because of how they had been balancing many things with character kits lately, but look how that turned out. Thinking about potential things for the future can be important, but it doesnt change what is possible today, ultimately. Citlali has changed what I can consider doing with cryo as an element, and thats great, imo. Doesnt mean people need to pull her. If we get more options for cryo supports in the future that reduce the need to get Citlali specifically, thats good too, imo. As long as they balance things well. Other characters in Natlan dont give me faith in that regard, but we shall see
I havent tried it just yet but considering Hu Tao I was going to try replacing Zhongli for Citlali in the Dbl Hydro Hu Tao team. I don't play HuTao a lot but I don't see why that wouldn't be a dmg boost for that team. I have been using Dehya C6Benny/Kaeya & Citlali which solid success
I'm glad to see a CC talking about this. I was super excited for Mauv, but her design isn't great. She really doesn't enable anything new. She has an interesting thing with not requiring any ER like some HSR characters, but frankly, that factor makes her even more limiting. Mix that with her being basically just another Pyro Main DPS and she doesn't feel as grand as I wish she would. Citlali feels so good because she does something super new and refreshing with the Cryo element while making Melt more relevant. Sure, she doesn't save other Cryo units, but she clearly wasn't designed to nor do I think any of the buffs she gives applying to cryo would help anything.
I'm also building DPS Citlali, glad to see that you are also Citlali enjoyer 👍 Also I'm F2P and I got her C2, that's how much I like her. And also because I think like any other cryo character she might be locked in cryo prison by hoyo after her banner ends 😭
Furina is still an archon. She isn't a clone or a copy like raiden shogun is to EI, Furina literally is the humanity of Focalers. She is the physical body of the archon (Think the body and blood of Christ, if you want an example). Focalers is the divinity and Furina is the humanity, two parts of the same exact being. They are not separate entities. The divine throne of the hydro archon with Focalers (divinity) death was destroyed, but that does not mean Furina was never or isn't still what should be considered the archon. Furina is the same person she would have been long ago, before the divinity was instilled and before she acquired the Gnosis. She is that same person in every definition. Hoyo even now treats her the same as all the other archons, because by all accounts she always will be the hydro archon.
As far as the lore correlation to what her kit does, she has no archon powers iirc. She has normal hydro vision powers, technically. I was just trying to use her to illustrate an example of the perception I had of what archons were to me and how Mav didnt match that perception, ultimately. I agree that Furina is an archon by all intents and purposes
She never had elemental authority, she never had divinity, she never even had a connection to Celestia & the Gnosis. She didn’t even lead the people or hold the nation of Fontaine together. She was never the Archon, just a manifestation of Focalors’ will. They are two different entities, they both have separate meanings, feelings & lives; which is why Focalors herself said she felt for Furina’s suffering. She’s not even a god now that Focalors moved on. She’s just as human as any Fontainian, even more so now that she holds a Vision. Neuvilette is the real “archon” of Fontaine & has been for 500 years as he was the actual ruling entity, now he’s got the Sovereign authority back & is acknowledged by the people: he’s both the sovereign & the hydro archon. Furina is a great character but not the archon.
16:19 yeah, i've been doing a lot of testing with pmc and i found that citlali is sort of a cracked bennett replacement in kinich emilie burning. Citlali holds TTDS and tenacity and puts out the burning at the end of the rotation for PMC to reproc scroll.
I think its very funny to see people arguing that mavuika should have been a direct bennet/xiangling replacement. For me always since the travail trailer it was always sort of logic for her to be a main dps, since she represents the god of war, human or not. For her having also support abillities was actually more surprising. Fot citlali im not sure if she really helps that much. In the end she is a stronger version of layla. A bit better maybe, but i wouldnt say "archon" level. Maybe future characters will make her better, but the way genshin is doing characters atm...
On my Main Account, I just got Citlali since she makes a lot more sense to get than another DPS, I have Arle at C2 so there was no reason to get mavuika. On my Alt Account though, I got both, so at least they complement each other rather nicely to test them out at least.
I pulled her over Mavuika, because I liked her the most out of Natlan characters. I don't vibe with the oversexualised drip marketing and her being just a hermit loving books, beautiful color scheme, just kinda resonated for me the most. She isn't the best, the most meta, but she's fun
Re:Citlali's voice lines, my favorite has to be "About Kamisato Ayaka". When I first saw it I just stared at it for a couple seconds in utter bewilderment as to why she had it until I listened to it and it was hilarious. I got this character on accident while trying to get Diona (yes Diona; she's one of the only 4 stars I don't have and I'm a completionist. Didn't get her btw) and I went from not really caring for her at all to her being one of my faves, gameplay and personality are a slam dunk for me
its not THAT big of an anomaly for me bc the only archons i have are venti and furina anyway, but i also did not pull mavuika and only went for citlali. not the biggest fan of the "if u feel like it, the skill has off field utility, but theyre actually just a burst dps" style of archon (lookin at u raiden). id much rather have an archon that CAN dps when u want, but actually, theyre the best character to pull of their element for supportive utility both for their own element and all the others. furina and nahida are perfect supports for their own elements and elemental reactions AND they can dps w their skills if u have the pieces for it, but u dont NEED that. for mavuika and raiden to function at their best, u need to build them w hyper specific stats (hyperspecific meaning raiden doesnt just need crit but also NEEDS er% and mavuika DOESNT need er% at all, like ur literally fucking w me TT) and use them for dmg. which is like,, we have so many other pyro dmg dealers WHAT are you talking about... furina enables everyone to use marechausee + her buff mechanic makes healers so relevant, and nahida is a gamechanger for any elemental reactions, they literally change ur account. what do mavuika and raiden do realistically... and maybe im being too harsh on them but DAWG.. theyre literally the archon ugh. even zhongli and venti are better imo bc they also fit the "CAN be built to do dmg if u feel like it but theyre the best at this particular thing of their element" being best shield in game and best cc in game. like at least they have that yk. ANYWAY the point is mavuika was disappointing in story and in kit, best part of her is unironically the fun of using her motorcycle lmao.
![How GOOD is infusion Mavuika? [NO MOTORCYLE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5HZNVNov0-s/mqdefault.jpg)
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Edit: I decided to not include a section in this video talking about how it doesn't matter that Citlali doesn't give Cryo res shred, because I wanted this video to focus on what Citlali DOES enable, not a disconnected argument about what Genshin needs in general to make Cryo more relevant to use. Maybe I shouldve made that video instead. Cryo off-field/supports is a fairly separate conversation than what on-field Cryo DPS units need. Citlali DOES make using Cryo off-field FAR more relevant than it was before. You can read through my replies to other comments if you want more of my perspective on that. Imo, if you want more options for buffing Cryo on fielders, you should be more upset about how Mavuika/PMC/Xilonen couldve been designed in ways to uniquely incentivize Cryo on fielders. Citlali having 20% cryo res shred wouldve changed little to nothing for on field Cryo DPS teams (and no, she never had that in beta, that is some weird misinfo apparently floating around, the only thing that changed is her burst dmg was nerfed slightly in beta).
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I give you all permission to call me wet cardboard for insulting Mavuika like that lol.
I do enjoy Mav's kit btw, but she mostly feels like a very strong Pyro DPS, whereas Citlali is something new. And my preference for characters in Genshin, particularly Archons, is that they be something new in the game, not just a goofy ah ah motocycle with Xiangling sidegrade potential. I can like Mav's kit while also feeling let down with the potential she could've had, basically. But Citlali's kit is archon enough for me that I am happy with the situation, ultimately.
Also, I cut out talking about Kaeya C6 because imo it basically is vaporware (doesn't really exist). If you started playing Genshin today you could easier plan to get C6 Citlali before getting C6 Kaeya if you so desired (assuming Citlali reruns more than one time in 3 years), and it is utter nonsense that a C6 limited unit could be a point of comparison to C6 Kaeya by time taken to acquire. I've been playing for 3 years and it is going to take me another year and a half to get his C6 so it just is not relevant to talk about, even IF it has interesting value in being the fastest cryo application in the game.
It is absolute stupid design that even if you play the game for 3 years you are punished for not magically knowing you should try to get copies with starglitter when you are brand new and know nothing for how to decide to spend your very limited resources (and remember starglitter is very valuable early on, and valuable as a f2p always). So yeah, imo C6 Kaeya should be treated as non-existent in the conversation about off-field Cryo in the game. C0 Citlali replaces his most relevant place to be used anyways (solo Cryo melt with Arle), just by slightly changing the timing on how you attack enemies. But it would be nice if it was easier to acquire so you could consider Citlali + Kaeya C6.
"goofy ah ah" should be on aave struggles
@@salcedsyea idk what he was thinking when he typed that 😭
Why would I call you wet cardboard, that's Mavuika
Citlali is amazin i wish that title was the real one
Not to flex or anything but my account luck is overall average except for the fact that I started playing in 3.7 and I have C6 Kaeya..not from the paimon shop or the chronicled banner but all from the standard banner..6 copies!...It's really crazy to me...I've never gotten any other starter char con but Kaeya 😌 Good thing is I actually do like playing him..Him & rosaria were my only built cryo until today when Citlali came home 🥰
Citlali only makes the rich richer. Pyro hydro were already strong elements, she doesn't do anything for cryo.
What can she do for cryo to begin with? Elemental shred? Damage bonus? All of those already exist in the game.
Cryo units are just out dated and poorly designed, no amount of premium units will save Ayaka from non-freezable content for example.
They just need to release better dps for the element and watch how everyone's perception will change.
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@@hitagi9558 soluna erroneously wrote in thumbnail "she makes cryo relevant again" that's a straight up lie, melt was always a popular reaction. Citlali didn't create a resurgence for cryo related reactions, not when compared to something like Ororon where he buffed electrocharge which was actually unique, or how Emilie brought life to burning.
Same with xilonen
@@DesdemonaLi Melt was popular only for doing reverse melt, for characters like Ganyu and Wrio.
Forward melt was never this accessible because you have to at least have 2 cryo unit in the party or pray you get C6 Kaeya to reliably apply Cryo. Even then, non of them provided her level of buffing and utility.
Citlali does make Cryo relevant because now we have a usable, strong and meta cryo unit. That will fit top meta teams, that's literally all it takes to make an element relevant.
Geo is d*gshit before and was considered the worse element, now people are all in agreement that Cryo is worse. Simply because Xilonen exists and she doesn't do anything for Geo units unless you whale for her.
Xilonen have archons like constellation
Her C2 is so good
Not really. Her c1 is bad, c2 is good but overrated.
0:29 THIS is what I've been saying, citlali actually changes an account and makes new teams. Mavuika just does the natlan flavor of melt and vape while still being built around bennet
bro you saved me so many pulls with the sacfrag discussion in the other citlali video, i love that playstyle WAY more than how i would use her with her sig
Amen to that.
Like TTDS is great but Sac Frag is amazing on her and not enough people point that out
I agree that its a fair conclusion given the criteria, but when this only applies to 2 from the 6 archons we had until now, i think that is a bad criteria to apply, i prefer take a more holistic approach, for example with Mavuika being similar to Raiden, we actually have 3 groups of archons until now (which makes me wonder what they will do to Tsarisa).
Venti + Zhongli didn't add much for team building or inovative mechanics but they are the best of their category, if you need them, they are good, if you not, they're shit.
Raiden + Mavuika makes up the DPS archon design, of being hybrid between off-field and on-field with support addons.
Nahida + Furina makes up the support category, they represent an archetype in itself due to emboding the region-locked mechanics of their region, and really excel in what you need of an full support archon kit that is cracked utility + good elemental app.
And if you group archons like this, you can see that Mavuika actually checks a lot of archon design decisions in her kit.
The Raiden type of archon, but mixed with the Nahida type of archon, where she is the highest expression of her region gimmick mechanic of being the better representation of what the nightsoul mechanic is with the themes of the region, her pyro app is good, her utility isn't negligeable (like 60% damage bonus of scroll set + her burst is quite good is almost as good as Furina C0 but backwards), also she has a stack mechanic (which is half of the archons until now), and is a good jack of all trades for teams that need her element.
On other hand Citlali is just a good support, i think she go to the Kazuha, Xianyun, Xilonen group.
Also i think Mavuika makes cryo relevant again as much as Citlali, because melt teams weren't really a thing outside Gaming and weird C6 Kaeya Arlecchino. With Mavuika since she only need to melt her first hit to gain value of melt already, suddenly pratically every cryo unit that isn't physical focused became viable with her.
Imo this criteria applied to Venti on release, they just decided to release Kazuha less than a year later and to make sure he had very few situations his unique burst makes sense. Zhongli being a universal support/defensive unit is still relevant today.
But yeah, I ultimately brought up Nahida and Furina because those were the two archon releases I experienced the before and after of while playing. My perception of an archon kit in the last couple years was heavily skewed by them, but theres nothing that says an archon cant have a kit that is on field DPS focused like Mav.
@Solunerra to be fair with Venti even though they countered him hard, today most of the enemies are sucked by his black hole.again its just that only VV + CC isn't that useful anymore, people prefer the buff + debuff combo that Kazuha offers even if with weaker CC.
But yeah, i understand what make you arguee that, this is why i said that was a fair statement, but i wanted to show that given that the archon roster is 6 characters taking just the last 2 don't really reflect the "archon design" since you can see that they have a bunch os aspects that are consistent over "archon design" and when you see the whole, Mavuika actually ticks a lot of boxes of "archon design".
But only taking Furina and Nahida in count, i would agree with you even tough i personally find Furina and Mavuika very close in terms of kit design, its just that in Furina case sub-dps and buffs is all that she has to offer, and Mavuika can offer a good on field damage too.
Citlalis personality literally overshadowed Mavuika and the Archon Quest for me. While I still pulled for 1 copy for Mavuika and her weapon I decided to go for C2 Citlali. Now she is honestly cracked and she feels like a C2 Nahida-esque unit to me that pulls alot of weight in so many comps
11:43 I’d watch a DPS Chevy video! Love watching the different unorthodox ways people can use characters 💖
I honestly hoped mavuika would’ve been a bennet replacement
Nty maybe some atk buffing implemented into her kit but honestly I prefer the one we have now
Bennett is one of her best team lmao.
@@animesenpai1163 read my comment again
@@iluvfurina2 She already buffs damage with her passive (40%) for the on field character
I doubt that would have ever been the case considering the role she plays in the narrative. A headstrong archon on the frontlines would not have a backlines-type kit.
I think thats more likely the case for Mausau than Mavuika. Mavuika is more of the Xiangling replacement. She already is so much of that in overload, mono pyro, and Navia teams, as well as for Mualani especially since she will also reduce the nightsoul burst cooldown that makes Mualani burst nuke for a lot more.
Some other character would be the Bennet replacement. Perhaps that would be Mausau
I pulled C0R1 Citlali for my C1R1 Hu Tao on my second account, and I have more than doubled my dps from my 4-star team. It changes the rotation a bit, but doing a massive melt with my burst in the start and then vaping my charged attacks with XQ is actually crazy, and with just two 5 stars I can clear domains at almost the same rate as my main account. In this case I find her weapon really good, since TTDS wouldn't make my rotations possible, and the 28% damage bonus is certainly better than ATK% bonus on Hu Tao specifically.
3:05 this is not the main point of your video but I wanted to comment on it anyways lol. I think Raiden's kit was pretty archon level at that time of the game. there were a lot of energy hungry teams and units which relied on burst damage, and she spurred many new national/rational team comps. Her support usage was huge back then! like Venti, I think her utility has just changed a lot as the state of the game changes-- she's more useful as on-field dps nowadays with the introduction of dendro, and also as the most powerful units move to being skill-focused rather than burst-focused
Yeah, ever since 3.0 burst focused characters had become less common and generally characters would have an easier time generating energy with exceptions like Dehya and Cyno who are considered flawed and Raiden doesn’t really help that much in that case.
Probably the character that has synergises the most with Raiden’s kit as a battery/burst support since then is Furina since she lowers her ER requirements.
She definitely doesn't fix cryo. She ignores her element's weaknesses instead of fixing them.
I do think she might add some value to other cryo off fielders due to how well she supports forward melt. The cr buffs from Rosaria and em buffs from Diona seem a lot more valuable now that there's a proper 5 star melt support.
Reading the comments is funny to see soluna arguing whether or not citlali herself made cryo more relevant thanks to the thumbnail *(Yes I watched the whole video)*
Your takes are fair but one problem sticks out as to why people argue against your take
The problem is that cryo as an element has the worst reactions in the game overall outside of geo, Freeze doesn't interact with bosses losing value for the longevity in the game *(I pray this changes),* Superconduct only being useful for physical DPS which the devs seem to forsaken since it never stood out, Reverse Melt being the only reaction that doesn't have downsides being used outside of the lack of supports to fill from both cryo and pyro respectively *(this can still evolve more one day)*
That being said cryo itself will never be relevant objectively till they can create a kit that helps raise the use case of all cryo characters *(not just citlali herself)* and strength of the cryo element's effect on the game as a whole *(Nilou type kit for freeze)* and no amount of DMG buffing capabilities or a good DPS will change that, yes there will be duds and strong units just like any character for every element but citlali is still great for the game and I'd argue the best release cryo has gotten but *she didn't help how people perceive cryo* which I'm sure you can tell from how people argued against your take on how you feel about it
Honestly citlali making double cryo melt teams is the best we got towards her use case that can effectively change someone's view of cryo, to me can be seen as a step in the right direction but it can also be seen as the devs probably making everyone wait til snezhnaya for cryo to finally get an established meta where cryo can start to shine even more and make people want to play cryo *(which while true is cringe to wait for as a player since patch 1.3)*
From the way you orchestrated the video you highlighted citlali's strengths (archon level kit) more so than the perception that cryo as an element at a generalized standpoint is becoming more relevant *(thumbnail but in the video you say for yourself she made cryo more relevant)*
Personally if citlali had res shred for cryo she would likely stand out more but I don't think she'd help rev melt but freeze more DMG wise but she'd still not be the help cryo needs pretty badly from a gameplay perspective even tho you can still clear content with cryo its just more painful compared to other elements whether agree with or not
I hope the Cryo Archon changes the meta heavy making cryo stand out as it stands its arguably more important that they don't fail this compared to mavuika or cryo as an element will forever be looked down upon
Like I said you're right about the takes you've said just giving a perspective on why people may disagree with you albeit to an extreme degree *(People just want to play cryo without having heavy situational downsides from the reactions itself mostly from freeze suffering the worst and melt just needs more love but the pyro element is partly to blame for why rev melt didn't standout for the longest time and still continues to do so outside of wriothesley the most and ganyu the least and same for superconduct that it needs more love)*
This is for higher investment, but i saved and pulled C2 Citlali and though it's absolutely cracked for my pyro teams, my absolute FAVORITE team with her is Ororon, Nahida, and Alhaitham. It's such a comfy Alhaitham team and it performs similarly to (and sometimes better) than Furina Kuki Quickbloom.
The 250 EM, frontloaded additive damage, Scroll buff from Ororon, and shield just do so much work. Additionally, i have Citlali on Deepwood with over 1k EM which allows Nahida to run GT and Kagura's Verity while building crit.
Citlali's nightsoul aligned dmg also procs Ororon's A4 damage for meaningful aggravates, and as a bow user, Ororon gets to run Elegy for additional buffing.
Since there's no hydro involved, it also means 100% Quicken uptime, which is really nice for the extra Spreads. You can also do short rotations without using any bursts and all of Citlali's and Ororon's buffs still get activated, letting Alhaitham frontload a lot of quick damage with a short setup that his other teams just can't compete with at all. Incredibly flexible rotations with amazing performance while being insanely comfy due to the shielding
nah xilonen is.
1:18 nope, absolutely wrong like lots of people, I don't know why or how it start and/or everyone agree with it and repeat it without thinking about it, but from beginning of genshin to this day all of the archons duo in different role. Venti zhongli are support, nahida furina are sub dps/buffer, raiden mauvika are main dps char with off field capability. So no not all or most archon are support, it's only 2 if them.
Raiden is at best a battery until c2
@anonymouscommenter2425 with example: bcuz someone (person who have lots of sexual realtionship) is whore it doesn't mean that person isn't male or female, so bcuz raiden good at battery team doesn't mean she isn't dps
I kinda agree that she saved cryo but not really, she kinda feels like when Navia released and she saved Geo. Except Geo's identity was mono element and non reactions so she feels like a fake Geo unit. Nonetheless she's currently the best cryo unit so on average it elevated cryo as an element (that's if you ranked every cryo unit and got the avg for these ranking) but the element is still cooked
yeah but being a "fake geo unit" is what saved her ass from being irrelevant
Navia didn't save Geo. Navia saved herself lol
Too bad they didn't have more ambition with Chiori...
Hopefully Natlan part 2 doesn't fall in the same... mistakes. Cause I still don't think Chiori or Emilie were good investments... Maybe it's still missing a piece to push "raw dmg unit with little to no support capability" (I'd also include Yae in this list btw)
@re.n8208 exactly, not saying that she saved Geo but I'm talking about the people who said she saved geo also unironically chiori with Xilonen saved Geo...and every other element with the wheelchair team lol
What's wrong with Emilie tho? I would like to have her for my kinich because he feels underwhelming without furina and there are no good subdps options for him other than Emilie sadly
@RieMUisthegoaT Emilie just doesn't do enough. She's dmg. I'd like to say unconditional dmg, but actually that's not the case, you need burning, being in range, and her being properly invest (I have her without her signature weapon and it's underwhelming)
She's serviceable, and I get what they were going for, but similarly to Chiori or Yae, she could/should have done more.
I play her as an burning enabler for Muluani or Wrio teams and... eh. In Wrio's case, sadly Thoma is often not enough to keep up burning. It basically depends on the content. But many times I end up with a lack of Pyro off field application which is super frustrating.
I don't mind a character having a niche, but in this case make them Chevreuse. Make them enable new teams, carry an archetype and being OP in their archetype. Emilie just didn't do that for burning teams. And at the end of the day Kinich might be the only DPS that wants her, and it's not like he really wants her, they just didn't give him great synergy with other units
The problem actually extends to other things in this game. We need more stuff not tied to conditions (NA/CA triggers). Emilie having one of her constellations in kit AND being a Natlan character would have been a game changer. Because Nightsoul would enable so much and make her feel like a Natlan pre release.
Currently I have little doubt any Dendro subdps/support released in Natlan would match her performance easily.
But welp I think the more pressing issue isn't really to improve Emilie, but to give us better off field Pyro options. Kinda sucks that Xinyan would have been a decent unit if her Pyro Application didn't entirely depend on her shield (No ICD small Pyro pulse around yourself is actually good lol). Same for Dehya, I get it Xiangling is their baby and they're scared of the lack of balance a good new option would introduce... But come on, we're past that point now. We just want to have fun and stuff that actually work. And if that's too OP for them, just wall Pyro for a region or two the way they walled Cryo lol (I'm sure it'll manage anyway)
Just like what Zy0x said: "Navia didn't save Geo, she saved herself." I think that applies to Citlali as well
If your already at C1 on her, I highly recommend getting her C2. It's busted for some of the teams your thinking of, my Arle for example is hitting 500k-600k hits
pretty mid take imo, according to your logic it’s just a subjective take on what you think an archon should be, shouldn’t an archon be whatever it CAN be ? i mean it’s an archon. why do they have to be tied to supportive capabilities? just because you played through furina and nahida? citlali doesn’t save cryo she just gives cryo a not dogshit option
it probably isn’t fair to call it a mid since it’s your opinion and there is no factual truth, me saying mid is just another opinion, so i take that back, but saving cryo still feels like an objective stretch
@@DaGGzuthey want another E bot archon. Glad shes a dps
They really fumbled by not giving Cryo + Dendro a reaction.
I like the way it extends dendro aura in fridge teams I think it's beneficial to have an element that allows for freeze without stealing bloom reactions. Its especially useful in overworld
I pulled Citlali C1 as a welkin player, I have no regrets
same! lots of people triggered their first capturing radiance and that’s how i got my c1.
her c2 is a huge power spike too btw, and then her c3 is also really good by making her shield much more useable in abyss.
@@Honed- dont go c3 unless you go c6. Getting like 500 more shield isnt worth that amount of money.
What does her c1 do? Is it that good?
@@Guttins adds a flat buff that extends past pyro and hydro, pretty sure.
Not sure I'd agree with her kit feeling more Archon-like, but I am disappointed in Mauvika's kit. Nahida, Furina and Raiden all have top notch off-field elemental application. This has (in my case) made Raiden become more relevant over time even as her "intended" burst damage became less relevant. All I wanted was the pyro equivalent but Mauvika's feels iffy at best and is overshadowed so much by her absurd Q numbers that any time you're NOT using her as the carry it feels silly, made all the worse by her Q only being charged by Natlan characters.
I saw comments in another video recently talking about how SR was "more power creepy" because it was a turn based RPG so numbers were more true than Genshin, where player error is a factor. I don't know if I agree with that, but SR's powercreep doesn't feel anywhere near as bad to me because the new characters are constantly dragging old characters up to be relevant again, or in some cases, for the first time in that characters existence.
Meanwhile Natlan has had a bunch of releases that utilize nightsoul and just arbitrarily nepotize each other into teams and actively discriminate against running older characters, why run Albedo when you can run Kachina who does similar, but has nightsoul effects and has the broken new artifact sets, which are also arbitrarily limited to characters from the zone?
I really hope this isn't the long term direction that Mihoyo are going vs the ouisia / health change mechanics of Fontaine that felt either unimpactful or at least universally available.
To get a bit back to topic, Mauvika makes older characters feel more obsolete because no nightsoul = no Mauivka enabling.
I think Citlali feels "archon" in comparison because she actually helps older characters have relevance, the only elephant in the room being that if you have Citlali and Mauvika then you're a fool not to slap them together, which isn't exactly great for team building.
theorically Mavuika no ICD with high AoE can shine in the future too like Raiden, the feeling that you'ree describing about Mavuika is the same people had with Raiden on release, even today there are people that consider using hyperbloom Raiden as a meme because using her burst is so much better. so if Raiden is the base i don't get the comparasion, maybe its just anacronism.
I've been messing around with Ayaka + Mavuika, and if they release a hybrid cryo DPS, it could be a really interesting way to use Mavuika as a dual DPS playstyle. With Ayaka you can melt Mavuika donuts with Ayaka burst, and melt all her E hits with simple NA string + dash, which allows her to recharge her burst easely too. Its hard to pass 50k melts with lvl6 talents, this is basically unreacted burst donut with Bennet.
I think her E has a lot of potential alone even if you burst every other rotation.
The grand total of old dps that SR has buffed is.. only jingyuan.. meanwhile, blade, JL, danil,etc.. are on life support right now.
Also new op characters in genshin are not so much stronger that old good teams become obsolete.. Only team archetype I can think of which was considered op but quickly lost steam was monocryo (also venti during release) but imo their flaws were very obvious if you took a moment to think of their performance outside of the abysses clearly designed to absolutely favor them.
Raiden has dogshit elemental application. She applies electro every 3 years. Hyperbloom just doesnt care about application instead of hits.
Mavuika is not locked to natlan characters as badly as you people pretend she is. By herself she charges 80 FS per rotation, you just gotta do some amount of normal attacks and you will get there. Otherwise pull C1 and get there with just her E. Her C2 is also very good for support.
I really hope every future character gets judged with even 1% of the critical lens applied to mavuika because its honestly quite insane.
Feels like people are comparing Mavuika C0 to the previous archons at C2+ and are surprised when she doesnt stack up until you also pull C2.
Its an archon everyone, by now you should know that getting cons on these is pretty good....
@luminous3558 i have to agree that Furina vs Mavuika comparasions (and Furina takes in general) seen to assume Furina at C2 and this is crazy.
@@lucasayabe Yeah as much as I love furina her C0 is a totally different character from C2+ and thats easy to forget if you play her a lot at higher cons.
Same with nahida except most people dont really play nahida anymore but still have the memories of those times during 3.2 when she was the craziest thing ever.
To be fair to Mavuika's kit, she is clearly meant to be the dps in full archon teams. At least that's how I'm choosing to look at it.
When my fav team is
- Kokomi
- Furina
-Citlali
- yelan
I clear abyss easy, I love this team
I used Citlali with Ayato and Furina, cleared abyss 1st half 1st chamber in 90sec. Considering how demanding is current abyss with the dps check i think she is good hydro support.
Ayato on glad or mh?
@cngfnb on hydro set, farmed when he came out in dragonpain domain. Is not even that good. Battle pass sword at r4
Hearing you say that Raiden's kit was designed to be an on-field DPS Archon is so wild to me cause when she released everyone was losing their shit that no, she is an off-field unit and you can't use her as a main DPS effectively yada yada
Yanfei doesn't like Citlali. Her A4 is just too much rapid pyro app. And because of her blunt charge attacks, vape melt tends to be a loss as a result of her shattering frozen targets rather than melting.
Mavuika being the "dps archon" essentially, kinda makes sense since pyro is the element of power. I think if she was just a support it would feel kinda strange.
How about, to fit with the theme of "fighting with her friends", a strong pyro onfielder that builds up a teamwide atk% buff by onfielding? I think that would be a very appropriate way to incorporate archon-like design elements into a dps unit and it isn't incredibly greedy and deprived.
@@Meese12 but she does have that with her dmg% passive and const
@@lxlYukilxl her passive is a single target dmg% buff that is lost by onfielding her and i dont care about her constellations
She couldve been balanced slightly differently in order to do more of both roles that she already can do in her base kit. Im not saying she should’ve completely been redesigned to be pyro Furina or anything
@@lxlYukilxl she doesnt have that, she has a single target dmg% passive and half the roster has teamwide buffs in their cons, im talking about c0.
I think you're missing the point in saying "Archon level kit" Archons are made to represent both their nation and their element, Mavuika and Raiden fit that very well, Electro's identity is Energy related things and Pyro's identity is DPS (hence the 2 amplifying reactions), You can look at all archons and see that they represent their element very well with their kit (except venti because anemo's identity changed at some point and now is kinda lost between grouping, buffing and elemental absorption, so i'd say that kazuha's kit would fit the "Archon level kit" better than venti)
Tbf venti has the hardest grouping of any character its just too good to work with everything and there became more niche compared to kazuha who groups less strongly but against more types of enemies and in a less cringe way(autotargeting is so bad on venti ult).
Also buffing ofc.
Ok i agree but what about the cryo archon isn't cryo litterally based around crit rate
@@iluvfurina2 I thought about it and i honestly don't know, altough xilonen made her cryo specific buff from C2 be Crit DMG so perhaps they'll change the elements identity to be crit in general from now on (maybe the first specialised crit buffer so like a crit DMG buff or a Crit ratio balancer that converts crit rate to crit dmg when overcapped)
I really liked this video! I agree with your perspective on Citlali and I mostly only pulled for her because I love her personality and her reading hobby reminds me of myself. I'm excited for your DPS Citlali & DPS Chevreuse vids
Ngl i just pulled for citlali bc i know Mavuika is going to get a rerun in a few patches so i'm better off getting Citlali instead of her because who knows when Citlali's going to get a rerun
Granny is great on a melt/freeze/vape team but it feels like Archons were always locked into a specific role so that's why she feels more supportive than Mavuika. Venti was the mob grouping Archon, Zhongli was the Shielding Archon, Raiden was the ER Archon, Nahida was the EM Archon and Furina was the Healer Archon, what else was there for Mavuika in that case if not being the DPS Archon? the Tsaritsa will probably have to be something like the Crit Archon seeing that Hoyo doesn't want to fix Cryo being bad at everything that is not Melt due to Freeze being too powerfull of a mechanic and Superconduct boosting a type of damage that they have never even cared to work around(Physical).
Gushing over Magical Grannies is a crazy title lol (that manga is unironically GOATd tho)
I can confirm that the story was goated
While I also was more interested in Citlali I was put off by the lack of cryo buffing as I still enjoy Ayaka freeze & Wrio melt. Yes Citlali would buff the hydro & pyro in those teams but the on field unit gets nothing apart from some shielding. Unless I'm missing something which is possible, but I'll skip this phase & take more time to evaluate whether I want/need either character. I'd much rather have a Chino than a Mav anyway so that's where my primos are going for this patch.
I mean it does give you a Natlan character to use in those teams so they can get the Scroll buff and a catalyst for TToDS
3:25 Raiden is not an on field dps, you can make her a dps for sure especially at c2, but at the end of the day she's a supportive sub dps. basically bringing her replaces any energy recharge you're missing ( or any at all, you really dont need energy recharge when she exists) and she's supposed to be used at the tail end of a rotation so everyone can be ready to burst again after. she also buffs everyone burst dmg% so she has a very supportive kit, people just saw booba sword and said "i wanna smack people with that" she's also good for constantly electro application if you need it. so I'd say Raiden is a pretty good archon level unit. it's just so happens that she buffs herself in the process making her do nice dmg.
mavuika on the other hand i understand
Raiden does not negate the need for ER, if you take her out of the teams she is bursting in and put another support there that is able to quick swap, you'd be able to use skills in the other characters and catch particles with them. As an example, compare ER need in Rational with sucrose national, it is extremely similar so she isn't really an energy cheat code, she is just a driver option for most of her best teams (obviously pre C2 because she becomes better as a carry by then)
@@8oito264 look at it realistically, no player that genuinely just wants to play for fun is going to look into particle catching mechanics, that's just something we find out as things go from youtubers and such, and even after we learn it most don't wanna be bothered with it so they just stack up on er anyway. archons are supposed to make things easier, venti crowd control, Zhongli defensiveness, Raiden energy recharge, Nahida EM, Furina everything that exists, and idk about Mavuika I guess dmg.
Raiden removes the need (maybe not all need, that was a bit extreme to say i admit), but alot of er requirements. she is a cheat, I can supercharge my 116% er Eula with my Raiden simply because I have a lot of er on Raiden, and everyone will have a lot of er on Raiden because she scales on er. sure she can't go on every comp, but you can use her as a battery pack very easily and I think anyone who can move requirements for most people down is a good archon level kit.
with the additional benifit that she smacks people so hard that it one shots most enemies
@@midoi8161 it would be correct except she has the highest cost burst in the game and want to be played in teams with high cost bursts to build resolve stacks, so Raiden teams usually feel more the lack of ER than the others and you are forced to use fav in some of the characters to help anyways.
She only reduces team ER requirements if she's the carry of the team otherwise she's dps loss that extends rotation duration if you use her burst as battery.
Raiden ER refund is nowhere close to what Zhongli shield do or Venti in his golden times, she doesn't trivialize ER just help with it to the point most of the time Fischil is very competitive with her to reduce ER requirements.
@@lucasayabe her having a high burst cost really dosent matter when she wants over 200 er. there comes a point when its just a build issue. but ngl I forgot about the resolve stacks, but that only effects her dmg output no? I dont think that effects the energy recharge, the base is always 2.5 energy and her energy restoration comes from her talents with is every 1% er over 100% = .6 greater energy restoration. so if we're talking battery it should not be an issue.
As for the resolve stacks that only effect her burst dmg and her little lightning attacks after, and while having a high burst costs does help with her burst dmg buff even a 60 cost one will get about a 18% increase which isnt a insignificant increase especially since it's a separate multiplier than most available bonuses so it scales high. so while I do agree it's not as impactful as someone like Zhongli I feel like she still has an archon level of support. only person she would not buff is mavuika ironically.
also isnt fav one of her best weapons in general? I don't see that as a downside. even if it's ran on other characters as long as the dps doesn't gotta use it I think it's fine. but in most cases if you just give her Favonius you shouldn't need other people to carry it. like you gotta be really thirsting for energy if you need a raiden holding favonius and another character holding favonious thats a whole other problem in itself. I don't even thng thats possible.
@@midoi8161 Tbf Mavuika makes things easier by one shotting everything but i pretty much agree with you except for raiden one shotting enemies, maybe in overworld against some fuckass enemies but not in abyss for sure, sometimes i forget that most players can't be bothered to catch particles as it is kinda second nature for the people i talk to/watch that play this game
I wish I'd used my wishes on Citlali instead of Maviuka! My C0 Citlali is awesome.
While I do enjoy playing Mavuika more, as a character I much more prefer Citlali, so I'm glad I got lucky and was able to get both.
Using her with DPS Kachina. I actually do that. I gave her a Prototype Amber to help out, and the team I use her with has been so much dang fun.
it's crazy how she made my trashy unbuilt diluc deal over 100k/tick on his burst
Idk if he’ll see a comment on a vid 5 days later but I been experimenting with C2 Citlali on Spread/Aggravate teams.
Since Cryo doesn’t interact with Dendro, Citlali won’t remove quicken aura and provide decent interruption resistance and a shield.
C1 Citlali is a very nice 10 proc flat talent bonus and C2 is a crazy 250 EM buff. With aggravate it’s very very easy to trigger scrolls for the electro carry and Nahida when casting burst can actually use the EM Citlali’s C2 provides and contribute it towards her own EM share (Of course up to 1000 but it allows you to focus on more offensive stats for Nahida).
When it comes to spread teams Citlali doesn’t interact with dendro, but you know who can, Ororon. Generally Ororon with Dendro doesn’t work the best because it’s harder to get consistent triggers of his passive to get into nightsoul state for the full scrolls buff. But with Citlali he can trigger the passive because Citlali’s shield cast and DoTs are Nightsoul aligned damage and he can apply electro without ever being onfield in a whole rotation and you always maintain the quicken aura because Cryo isn’t taking anything away.
It’s honestly my most favorite tighnari team now because you feel really fragile running Furina, and Zhongli only really provides shred and a questionable tenacity buff. While Citlali can provide TTDS or her signature weapon buff, 10 procs of additional flat talent buffs, 250 EM, consistent tenacity or scrolls buff depending on if it’s spread or aggravate, mind you, you need C2 to really reap the benefits, but I been enjoying it a lot.
One thing on citlali with mualani
You can use citlali as a replacement for xilonen if you use burning, its not an upgrade, but I like not having to relay on xilonen for being able to use mualani
I wish Superconduct will be a thing in the future.
I probably will have a video coming soon seeing if it can be utilized with Citlali
Ironically, I feel like her and Ororon could be used in a superconduct-centric team. Could even add in hydro and pyro with a claymore to make it some fucked up fusion of several reactons at once.
Now they just need to release a freeze based hydro dps
You convinced me to get Citlali instead of Arle in the next phase and it has been one of the best decisions I made. I'm really enjoying playing her.
I love Citlali's personality and design, I just wish she did more for my account. I don't have Zhongli, so I was hoping she'd finally be a powerful shielder that could keep my Huotao alive, but her shields so far have just been way too brittle to keep her alive in a fight.
I want to get a better team for Citlali so I can justify running her, but I'm currently torn on the best/most fun way to do that. I'm at 50/50, 70 pity, and have been debating on if I should go for C1 Citlali, pull for Mauvika, or wait to try and grab Furina on her next rerun.
soluna is usually such a good reference but this video is so misleading. citlali did not make cryo relevant again. the element still struggles to have a place in meta because of not having the right supports and the DPSes out there aren't outstanding. citlali doesn't mitigate either of these weaknesses.
Ayaka with Mistsplitter at C0 is still good to this day. I did recently pick up Citlali and I could tell the performance improvement. Yes Shenhe is still great for Ayaka, but look how long it took for her to get a rerun.
I dont think he said Citlali made cryo characters relevant again at all though
@@watoyatoauto8526the thumbnail.
@@primalaspie the thumbnail just seems bait, but nowhere in the video did he say that
Citlali is literally a far far more compelling Cryo support than we have ever gotten before. Like shes does enough to actually consider using Cryo to support other things going on in the team. Her existence means we have reason to do something other than just Vaporize as the default for Pyro units in the vast majority of cases now, and that is awesome. The very fact that people can use Citilali in a bunch of different teams when needing to use Hydro for your Pyro DPS always before is evidence of this. If she didnt mitigate the issues the weaknesses you being up we wouldnt even see people play her with Mavuika, let alone other pyro dps units.
No, she isnt groundbreakingly strong to a degree where she completely makes doing vaporize irrelevant. It wouldve been a bit imbalanced to do something like double the rate of her cryo application and nearly invalidate any reason to do Vaporize teams. Is that what you need to consider doing Melt? My point here is that if you think Citlali doesnt mitigate many issues with Cryo supports, why? Where is the line in your mind that is required for an off field Cryo support/buffer/defensive unit to give reasons to consider using melt? Do you feel C2 needed to be in base kit? Like thats only a small amount more buffing on paper, but in practice makes her significant powercreep over Kazuha for Pyro/Hydro, probably the two most relevant elements Kazuha buffs.
We needed more compelling reasons to consider doing something like Melt Amber without it being extremely clunky or difficult to pull off. She literally addresses most of the issues with cryo supports (no she doesnt buff other cryos as much, she doesn’t need to, other Cryos need things other than off field Cryo to help buff them). Yes Id like more ways to buff other Cryos, imo they had a missed opportunity with Xilos release there. Citlali didnt need to buff other cryos to give reasons to use Cryo again
im glad that im actually seeing alot of stuff about dps citlali, she was my favorite in the story. i was honestly kinda underwhelmed by mavuikas kit when i did the character trials when she was so hyped up by everyone
Trust me Ive been playing ayaka freeze for 3 years straight in abyss
No supports can make freeze teams truly suitable for new enemies like lava avatars. Though ayaka new premium team is strong "xilonen, furina, shenhe, ayaka" it still does not solve the problem. Putting citlali there does not help either, so how do we adapt or brute force? Only need two things
1. Furina
2. And hunter set
With hunter set, we can ensure crit without consistent freeze reaction
And since we cant freeze them, just use some tricks like baiting them into the wall, cast ayaka burst there so even though they're getting staggered, they still get hit.
Tips for ayaka freeze comps
1. Priority pull is Furina
2. Having xilonen and shenhe is best, but you can also use;
3. Furina kazuha Charlotte
4. Worst case scenario, you dont have you Charlotte lol(sad you lose access of ttds and get inferior healing) actually thats me using diona instead but clear time last abyss (5.2) was not bad, this time too, in current abyss shes doing fine in top half except 3rd chamber. Bottom half, just need to worry about geovishap moving around too much, the rest is easy.
So other than lava avatars, and fatuis from Fontaine, i dont think theres other enemies that are concerning as them for freeze comps (tell me if i forgot something)
27:08 Haha, that's what I did (C2 Citlali). I think the only way for me to get Mavuika's copy is losing to her on an Archon Chronicles or something, lol.
I have to disagree with the claim that mavuika doesn’t have much character development, but the weird 10 minute short was all I’ve seen.
It shows that mavuika is someone whose determination is stronger than her mind can handle, which is at least an interesting character flaw, but I agree that the in game quests don’t really show this at all.
The problem with mavuika is that the players are better at “power creep” than hoyo is
in Dehya teams try using Furina in Bennett's spot. you will keep the damage and still be able to melt / vape consistently
I use Citlani in Kinich burning team to remove the burning aura with her burst, so that the pyro Cinder City user can trigger burning reaction every rotation and makes the artifact set buff works more than one time.
25:19 lets not praise such kind of mentality for the sake of being edgy, when in reality, it IS an problem.
I don't think your take on Mavuika is really all that fair. Don't take this wrongly, I was dissapointed in her kit aswell. But now that people are getting her and actually testing her, me included, she may not be outright a Xiangling powercreep, but she do replace her in some teams and make the teams even more powerful. She is currently part of Kinichi's and Mualani's best teams, imo Chasca aswell but this is debatable and depends on how you like to play. Not to say that she also works with Neuvillette, Clorinde, and even Arlecchino for overload even though this in theory would not be her BEST best team. And the list goes on. Xiangling didn't lose her value but Mavuika provides value in a different manner that can replace Xiangling in lots of teams. She as a sub-DPS and support is actually really good, the only thing is that most people, me included see her as sub-DPS or support as a waste of her potential and the teams would end up doing less damage than main DPS Mavuika. She may not be a ultra game changer that enter in all teams and works with everyone and everything. But she does give a bit more versatility to older and newer teams and is a plus for many of them. Again, I think she could be way more, everyone wanted her to be a powercreep to Bennet and Xiangling. This is literally the one time gacha players wanted a powercreep badly and would not get mad at it, they had all the reasons and support to do it, instead they made a Xiangling that is better in some scenarios but worse in others.
Yeah it comes down to the fact that people dislike her outdamaging everyone else while also being a support thats very good.
Citlali and Xilonen are the "Archons" of Natlan, without a doubt.
can confirm pyro traveler and citlali work amazingly together. i say that because usually i have the issue of too much pyro being applied since i use kazuha to swirl pyro off of bennets burst, but citlali's application and the timing all works if you go bennet, kazuha, citlali skill and burst, pyro traveler burst. BIG MELT. I was so happy the first time i hit 400k with traveler burst no potion no food buff. idk about abyss tho. pyro traveler is a little energy hungry. running kazuha with xiphos and bennet with favonius is helpful but even then there are still some struggles meeting the wnergy demand.
i pulled citlali cause mavuika is more likely to rerun before her anyway, but shes also so cute and i love her kit , probably gonna triple crown
I like Citlali more than Mav because cryo Bias but at this point I find more values in supports that buff decently strong characters I already have like for me Hu Tao(I don’t have arle lol) or even Neuvillette who didn’t need the buff but it’s funny.
[Gushing over Magical Granny] *Insert pointing Leonardo DiCaprio* I get the reference! I love that anime it's so peak.
I actually like doing melt Ganyu with Citlali, Mavuika, and Nahida 🙃
Overall I'm of the same mind as you regarding Citlali. I got her weapon because it's my favourite looking weapon in the game, but also because with this weapon and Scroll set, she buffs any PHEC character by 68% which is very close to Furina. But I also agree that her C1 achieves the goal of making her an universal buffer much better than the weapon and at the end of the day I only pulled for the weapon cause I think it's cute.
I just wish her C1 was her passive instead or something...
I'd love to see some examples of Citlali's Dendro teams in action, because everything I tried just didn't feel as good as replacing her with another Dendro/Hydro character in the team. I wanna believe the potential is there, I've just struggled to make it work myself and hope the great Soluna can come to the rescue!!
im stumped, why on earth did they add 20% hydro red decrease in her kit. Sure shes cryo, but the em does nothing for freeze bruh
14:07 you skipped sigewinne, the poor thing!
(remember, citlali's application is considered skill dmg! exciting, right?)
citlali replaced kazuha(C0, freedom sworn(R1) on my neuvi team cause neuvi dosent really need to group the characters to use his skill, so the whole team now is neuvi (C2, tomb of eternal flow ), furina(C0, weapon variable), citlali (C0, signiture) and xilonin(C0, craftable natlan weapon R1). a lot of my teams over my time playing genshin have been freeze or bloom/hyperbloom teams. the team works well and its fun to play
Citlali is Tsaritza confirmed
I pulled for C2R1 Citlali and am looking forward to a C1 Citlali video. I originally was gonna stop at C1 because it was basically like pulling for a universal shenhe. Interested on what you have cooking
Citlali made me appreciate cryo characters more (not looking at you, c3 qiqi) and I'll definitely try and go for her c1-2 in the future, cause im currently saving my pulls for Shenhe, dunno if i'll use her, but she's been one of my favourites for years. Regarding Citlali, playing melt Arle is so damn strong, i can't believe it lmao
You should try out Superconduct Driver Citlali. I'm still salty with the fact that they gave her Superconduct color palette & yet made her a Melt/Freeze Support 😢
Hey, at least you can double dip with EM for damage & shield strength.
I am probably going to make a superconduct focused video with her as the superconduct trigger lol.
This was helpful, ty!
I didn't like the motorcycle so I pulled her instead :-)
For your melt Amber. This only works with Ayaka. Amber, Bennett, Layla (with high energy) and Ayaka. Better than expected!
fun fact: "GOMG" is getting a Season 2
I completely agree with your opinion about Mavuika's C1 - I mainly wanted her for off-field pyro app to open up cool team possibilities because I hate Xiangling and refuse to use her lol so it was really annoying to me that I had to pull C1 to do that efficiently
Although I dont think Citlali's kit is an archon-level kit, I do agree that Mavuika doesn't feel like an archon kit. She just feels like any other dps with inflated numbers and her numbers are so inflated that playing her off-field feels bad. Idk man, I was just looking for a Bennet side grade without circle impact but Hoyo couldn't even do that. The worst part is that she also uses Bennet like WTF hoyo at least make her a non bennet dps if you so want her to be a DPS. Bennet remains the true pyro archon imo.
Your brain must've sent a signal to mine a couple of nights ago, because I basically pulled myself out of bed at 8 am, panic pulled Citlali, and went back to sleep, and I've never felt so actually happy with a Natlan unit (No, I don't have Xilonen). I don't know if you remember my just entire rant on how I was hoping Mavuika could've been a sidegrade to Xiangling and just ended up so much worse than I thought for International, but Citlali allows Kazuha to be flexed out and it's been so much more fun playing that team.
I will say as a person who used Layla for Neuvillette's team due to the cooldown being better, and also having the constellation that increases charged attack damage, Citlali's off field did feel more significant in that team. Plus she consolidates roles really well to flex in other characters.
I actually went to the opposite route of trying out Arlecchino with Citlali and just tossed her in Kazuha's slot for her basic vape team. It's still basically a vape team with Xingqiu, but it's way less skill focused than the Kazuha variant. Plus, shielding is nice. Especially for Arlecchino who can neither healer nor mitigate damage. Also got way higher hits.
Then finally my 4th success with Citlali was with Chasca using Bennett and Furina. I got a 100k tick on the final shot and it was just very very nice. I'll miss using Ororon but again, having a flexible support is nice.
I was going to get Mavuika regardless because I do actually find her a good Archon in story with a good personality myself, plus I like to collect, but Citlali has quickly become my new favorite buffer. I used Fav Codex with her since if I'm using her in this new International variant (the fact we finally get to have a variant of this AT ALL is amazing and already grants her pseudo-Archon status to me) I'm going to need the particles for the blackhole that's Xiangling lol. Even back in beta, I thought that Citlali's kit sounded like more of what I would expect from an Archon.
I fully agree with this video :) I have C2R1 Citlali and no Mavuika, Mainly because I want her for my Arlecchino
Nah I agree she feels more like an archon then maulvika
sac frags basicly changes her required substats entirely, if she has the 2pc scroll and this she does not need a single ER%, as soon as you use another weapon even an ER% time piece might not be enough, the sheer amount of particles she generates is just absolutely insane, but i also don't think her signature buff for herself or other chars is enough to outweigh the extra nightsoul points at low constellations, at high cons you don't have use for sacfrags anymore instead as it stops benefiting her... i can't believe what kind of c6 they gave her with permanent cryo application that follows you ... and a c6 mavuika can also replace xianling while still being a dps if you want to swap to her, the offield flamestrider is... something else visually
ok but why would you want to play one of the most counterintuitive antisynergistic teams ever 😭 you thinking c1 is needed for Raiden-Mavuika is weird bc they were never meant to be played together
It was an example of a team where you could replace XL, but is not an upgrade in practice because of not getting her burst back. I mentioned it as one example of a team where I wanted her C1 so she universally can replace XL. Thats all. The fact that you think that is anti synergistic is a bit odd, have you not seen Chevreuse teams before?
@ well considering that the two units in question, Mavuika and Raiden, have kits that just don’t work together. especially in a chevreuse team where energy costs aren’t even that high if replacing xiangling, raiden’s resolve stacks would be minimal. then raiden’s attacks don’t count toward building up (iirc)mavuika’s ult so her damage is also not as high as it could be.
@@Solunerra Seems like thats more on raiden being a bad character with design flaws as the same thing thats stopping beidou from working with raiden is stopping raiden from making Fighting spirit in her burst.
she was the first char in 4 years of playing where my interest in her went form 100 to 0 after seeing her kit. Being a niche support to the best performing characters in the game is not valuable for me even though i have everyone she is BIS for she just feels worthless, if she also buffed hugely some of my underperforming units that don't even have any good supports then i would have pulled her in a heartbeat
THIS THIS THIS. As a cryo main, why do we need a cryo character that buffs every part of a cryo reaction BUT the cryo? She can’t ’make cryo relevant’ if she’s the only relevant cryo character lmao. They could have just made her support all three elements.
Calling citlali the archon and not xilonen is massive bait. Atleast the latter buffs cryo lmao
the title is insane
Video title is diabolical (iykyk)
Thinking to get her one day bc she does seem fun, even if hydro or pyro dpsing isnt my thing, she still seems useful. Banner layouts dont really benefit me rn so hopefully one day I can get her
I love Citlali, she is so funny and cute, her VA is also nice.
The problem is, we might get bettercryo app later and the cryo archon could end up being cryo furina
@@kage6271 Sure, but I think we should focus on what is actually in the game right now, not what could exist in the future.
I thought we would get more options for atk buffing in either Mavuika or Pyro Traveler because of how they had been balancing many things with character kits lately, but look how that turned out.
Thinking about potential things for the future can be important, but it doesnt change what is possible today, ultimately. Citlali has changed what I can consider doing with cryo as an element, and thats great, imo. Doesnt mean people need to pull her. If we get more options for cryo supports in the future that reduce the need to get Citlali specifically, thats good too, imo.
As long as they balance things well. Other characters in Natlan dont give me faith in that regard, but we shall see
Seeing you do NA-lvl 8 for mavuika hurts my soul😅
I havent tried it just yet but considering Hu Tao I was going to try replacing Zhongli for Citlali in the Dbl Hydro Hu Tao team. I don't play HuTao a lot but I don't see why that wouldn't be a dmg boost for that team. I have been using Dehya C6Benny/Kaeya & Citlali which solid success
I'm glad to see a CC talking about this. I was super excited for Mauv, but her design isn't great. She really doesn't enable anything new. She has an interesting thing with not requiring any ER like some HSR characters, but frankly, that factor makes her even more limiting. Mix that with her being basically just another Pyro Main DPS and she doesn't feel as grand as I wish she would. Citlali feels so good because she does something super new and refreshing with the Cryo element while making Melt more relevant. Sure, she doesn't save other Cryo units, but she clearly wasn't designed to nor do I think any of the buffs she gives applying to cryo would help anything.
how good is Chasca Citlali Xiangling Bennett? how does it compares to mavuika or furina? is the upgrade worth it?
I'm also building DPS Citlali, glad to see that you are also Citlali enjoyer 👍
Also I'm F2P and I got her C2, that's how much I like her. And also because I think like any other cryo character she might be locked in cryo prison by hoyo after her banner ends 😭
the way i wish i never got mavuika and just got cons for citlali too
I hope Cyro curse didn’t apply to her. I like her but I like Mauvika more so I will get her in next rerun for sure.
Furina is still an archon. She isn't a clone or a copy like raiden shogun is to EI, Furina literally is the humanity of Focalers. She is the physical body of the archon (Think the body and blood of Christ, if you want an example). Focalers is the divinity and Furina is the humanity, two parts of the same exact being. They are not separate entities. The divine throne of the hydro archon with Focalers (divinity) death was destroyed, but that does not mean Furina was never or isn't still what should be considered the archon. Furina is the same person she would have been long ago, before the divinity was instilled and before she acquired the Gnosis. She is that same person in every definition. Hoyo even now treats her the same as all the other archons, because by all accounts she always will be the hydro archon.
As far as the lore correlation to what her kit does, she has no archon powers iirc. She has normal hydro vision powers, technically.
I was just trying to use her to illustrate an example of the perception I had of what archons were to me and how Mav didnt match that perception, ultimately. I agree that Furina is an archon by all intents and purposes
She never had elemental authority, she never had divinity, she never even had a connection to Celestia & the Gnosis. She didn’t even lead the people or hold the nation of Fontaine together. She was never the Archon, just a manifestation of Focalors’ will.
They are two different entities, they both have separate meanings, feelings & lives; which is why Focalors herself said she felt for Furina’s suffering.
She’s not even a god now that Focalors moved on. She’s just as human as any Fontainian, even more so now that she holds a Vision.
Neuvilette is the real “archon” of Fontaine & has been for 500 years as he was the actual ruling entity, now he’s got the Sovereign authority back & is acknowledged by the people: he’s both the sovereign & the hydro archon. Furina is a great character but not the archon.
16:19 yeah, i've been doing a lot of testing with pmc and i found that citlali is sort of a cracked bennett replacement in kinich emilie burning. Citlali holds TTDS and tenacity and puts out the burning at the end of the rotation for PMC to reproc scroll.
I think its very funny to see people arguing that mavuika should have been a direct bennet/xiangling replacement.
For me always since the travail trailer it was always sort of logic for her to be a main dps, since she represents the god of war, human or not. For her having also support abillities was actually more surprising.
Fot citlali im not sure if she really helps that much. In the end she is a stronger version of layla. A bit better maybe, but i wouldnt say "archon" level.
Maybe future characters will make her better, but the way genshin is doing characters atm...
Dps chevy sounds like a dream, do it!
On my Main Account, I just got Citlali since she makes a lot more sense to get than another DPS, I have Arle at C2 so there was no reason to get mavuika. On my Alt Account though, I got both, so at least they complement each other rather nicely to test them out at least.
I pulled her over Mavuika, because I liked her the most out of Natlan characters. I don't vibe with the oversexualised drip marketing and her being just a hermit loving books, beautiful color scheme, just kinda resonated for me the most. She isn't the best, the most meta, but she's fun
Mauvika is meta AF man, she’s the strongest DPS carry in the game, the best exploration unit & the best off field pyro DPS
Re:Citlali's voice lines, my favorite has to be "About Kamisato Ayaka". When I first saw it I just stared at it for a couple seconds in utter bewilderment as to why she had it until I listened to it and it was hilarious. I got this character on accident while trying to get Diona (yes Diona; she's one of the only 4 stars I don't have and I'm a completionist. Didn't get her btw) and I went from not really caring for her at all to her being one of my faves, gameplay and personality are a slam dunk for me
its not THAT big of an anomaly for me bc the only archons i have are venti and furina anyway, but i also did not pull mavuika and only went for citlali. not the biggest fan of the "if u feel like it, the skill has off field utility, but theyre actually just a burst dps" style of archon (lookin at u raiden). id much rather have an archon that CAN dps when u want, but actually, theyre the best character to pull of their element for supportive utility both for their own element and all the others. furina and nahida are perfect supports for their own elements and elemental reactions AND they can dps w their skills if u have the pieces for it, but u dont NEED that. for mavuika and raiden to function at their best, u need to build them w hyper specific stats (hyperspecific meaning raiden doesnt just need crit but also NEEDS er% and mavuika DOESNT need er% at all, like ur literally fucking w me TT) and use them for dmg. which is like,, we have so many other pyro dmg dealers WHAT are you talking about... furina enables everyone to use marechausee + her buff mechanic makes healers so relevant, and nahida is a gamechanger for any elemental reactions, they literally change ur account. what do mavuika and raiden do realistically... and maybe im being too harsh on them but DAWG.. theyre literally the archon ugh. even zhongli and venti are better imo bc they also fit the "CAN be built to do dmg if u feel like it but theyre the best at this particular thing of their element" being best shield in game and best cc in game. like at least they have that yk. ANYWAY the point is mavuika was disappointing in story and in kit, best part of her is unironically the fun of using her motorcycle lmao.
> RUclipsr with 8/6/1 Mavuika talents
"She's not very archon-like"
this youtuber is an idiot with all of their takes