Highly possible. Old lore from my family states that the kid would come into Mesilla from time to time. Tell everyone he was in Mexico. When he’d leave he’d head south , wait then ride back up the bottom of the river to wash his tracks out , about 2:AM, and head north. I get argument, but I’m a 4 rth generation southern New Mexican. And most old timers both gringo and Mexican said his death was faked. Old timers up around Ramah swore him and his wife lived there. Like I say who knows.
Yes sir we do. I used to sit around my grandparents porch in Deming and listen to my grandad and his brothers talk about the kid and the regulators. Their dad met Pat Garrett once , and he had his opinion. Yea I got a ton of their theories in my head.
I grew up in Las Cruces from ‘58 to ‘74. In the mid ‘60s dad to us to several ghost towns. Was interesting to see it as if the people just left! I imagine it’s been looted by now. The Organ Mountains has many mines. As a Boy Scout we hiked and camped all over the mountains. Dad deer hunted around the Dona Anna Mts. and Cooks Peak. Many memories.
I seen a couple of interviews about Billy the kid and it's true Pat Garrett did let him go under a promise that he leave and never come back or he would shoot him and billy did leave and he lived in Texas and became a farmer under a different name and he did have children and he did have a daughter and when she was in her senior year she was telling her story about Billy the kid and the story goes on...
Awesome video,love the old western history & how they lived & traveled,your comment made sense,if you're an outlaw you're not staying on the main trail,the green rock/sediment is either copper or sand deposit from the old sea bed,happy father's day 🤙
I will be in NM (hopefully August). I will be seeing the hideouts. If we happen to cross paths, your hounds are going to get spoiled with Love. 😁❤️ I am going to love them all up. Kisses to your Mules too. ❤❤❤
Reminds me of the legendary Tsali's cave here in the Smoky Mtns of WNC. Tsali was one of the Oconoluftee band of Cherokees that resisted removal by the U.S. Army in 1838. Different but still brutal country to bush wack through. Look him up.
I'm a big Billy the Kid fan. Times back then were different. Both sides had the law on their side at times. Thank you for an amazing video. Hope to see more in the future.
I'm done slowed up on my draw, so still doing a lot of catch up on your videos. I'm inclined with the notion, when you're trailing a fugitive or what have you, you gotta learn all you can about'em and think like them. If hiding out, from whom, your grub, and your transportation. In Billy's time, you have to learn the happenings of that time, and a lot of those forts relied on human intelligence, don't matter if they're of the shady kind, because it went both ways. Billy knew that area very well, and helped a lot of cattle drives, helping prospective cattle ranchers moving mavericks out of Texas & Mexico up to the northern plains after the civil war ended. A lot of Texas ranchers got pulled into the civil war, leaving their ranch, stock and family. Women moved to nearby towns, away from homesteads, ranches, and farms during this period, leaving livestock unattended. During a 4 years period during the civil war era, cattle & horses roamed wild, and increased a lot of unbranded (no claim) livestock called mavericks. After the civil war, if you had the means to put a brand on those mavericks, they were legally yours, and then you could move them without the fear of running afoul of the law. The other problems beside mavericks, was raiding parties from Mexico, NM, AZ Territories, and thus Rangers came about, NM Rangers, Arizona Ranger, and the Texas Rangers. So Billy, and many cow punchers always had work, whether it be scouting, cattle drives or lawmen. This why I'm not inclined to believe Billy the Kid was ever an outlaw, nor do I believe he was killed by Pat Garrett (dubbed the clumsy unlucky lawman). Billy was worth more alive to the cavalry, and the territorial lawmen resettling folks moving west, and reinstituting law and order. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I grew up in those areas, and banked up a lot of history along the way. May be old, but my mind and heart has stayed young. Mil/Leo retired, stay blessed y'all! :o)
Brett glad you got to make the trip, interesting but now I know should someone ever ask me if I want to see Billy the Kids hideout, I’ll say no, I’ve seen enough. Thanks for the journey.
Thank you! Always appreciate you getting out in the country on saddle back! Mules are my preference although I love horses are a beautiful animal! Donkeys are worth their weight too!
I agree there might have been an account of him staying there a couple nights. But I think he would have dug in more some place a normal hideout would have a little lean too or something down in a little valley or something. Would be cool to find a little rock fireplace or oven. Great video pretty country, cool lookin for a lost historical place. I use to work for a pretty big outfit in west Texas won’t name names because it’s not mine and don’t want to attract unwanted attention. But on my days off I would saddle up and trailer out and ride them mesas. Found some old cowboy huts and abandoned buildings, best thing was I found a few old cave entrances that went back thirty or 40 feet, and the ceilings were black my guess from camp fires. All sorts of arrowheads and spearheads.
90* sounds almost cool, the heat index this week has been in the 106-115* range this past week, it’s Father’s Day today, hope you had a good Father’s Day today and got to spend time with your family, mules and hounds, I still like that hat
I enjoy seeing how much you care for your animals PRIOR to using them.... You give them some oats, You brush their coats out, the brushing out also acts as a light massage prior to working them.... its then and only then you start putting your saddle on etc.... Everyone should appreciate how you care....
Looks like a great place to use a metal detector. Never know what just under the surface. Great trip Brett. God bless Ordered one of your coffee mugs, got myself my own father's day gift
Great videos and I love the old stories. I have been told that San Francisco hot springs was one of his hideouts. My best guess for the green dirt is copper. Thanks for sharing!
I'm so jealous of you!! I'm a 75yr old female still do security work and still ride. Horse is about my age!! 😁 But I have had and love mules. I own very secluded and love it and your videos!!! Linda from Missouri 👍🥰😊♥️
The official Billy The Kid souvenir shop is in Old Mesilla across the street from La Posta restaurant which was a Butterfield stage stop. Billy really got around. Love the video.
So I have been to a few old ghost towns. I've been to Deadwood S Dakota, I've been to the little big horn battlefield etc, and I can tell you that there's a really spooky aura to them all, almost like from what you'd see in a light horror movie. When you showed the shots of the post with the pictures of possible writing from btk, and Charlie Boudry, it was super spooky. Like some ghost riders in the sky kind of thing.
Been watching you Agnes and the doggies all Tuesday evening and so freaking enjoyed it it's really helped my brain relax and get away and nature be safe my friend can't wait till the next one
Brett: Enjoyed the video. I think the best book ever regarding Billy the Kid is by Robert M Utley and is titled "Billy the Kid"--A Short and Violent Life. You will really enjoy this book.
Thanks sharing if no Billy the Kid hideout. You made it feel as though I was on mule riding. I am in Northern Az as re-enactor as a highwayman/outlaw. Love these videos. Makes you think as was one 120+ yrs ago.
My grandpa worked for a big TX Panhandle rancher named Obertheir as a young cow puncher who ran away from home at 14y.o. from Moran TX. He got off the freight train in Lubbock TX, worked construction until he'd saved enough to buy a horse and a few old bred cows. He followed his cows out toward Clovis, NM camping on the unfenced, open prairie the first summer and fall. Obertheir encountered my grandpa as he grazed across his open range land 50 miles east of Muleshoe. That land had been purchased when the XIT Ranch began selling off the Ten (counties) In Texas that British consortiums bought in exchange for fronting TX money to build the magnificent pink granite capitol in Austin. Mr Obertheir offered to buy my grandpa's cow-calf pairs and give him a job keeping watch on his herd which was too far from Obertheir's HQ for him to keep an eye on. Obertheir had a teamsters deliver lumber for a one room shack my teen-age (about 17 y. o. grandpa had to build. Shacks on the open prairie often became a way point for travelers. Grandpa had overnight guests of random "outlaws" who'd be traveling east from various points (hideouts) in NM territory. Some of the visitors helped themselves to "stray" horses or a young steer, killed, quartered and thrown across a spare horse to deliver as a gift to a friend offering them a few days of refuge as they traveled toward their destination. Grandpa had many stories of having surprise overnight guests who'd arrive about dark. It was considered inhospitable if he didn't offer them a can of beans, a biscuit and a cup of coffee. He lived a pretty austere life, but most of his more mysterious guests didn't want to talk much. If they talked at all it would be about where they came from or where they were going. He said his guests destinations were often misleading. As he grazed the cattle herd the following days he'd find tracks where they'd left his shack heading one direction, made a big wide loop to head off in another direction. He believed he had hosted Billy and a few other less legendary train robbers, cattle/horse thieves and outlaws during his several yrs in that bachelor cow camp. Oberthier treated him well and his excellent work ethic was rewarded with cattle amounting to the number lost previous to his hiring. By age 25 grandpa had his own cattle herd, leased Oberthier's pastures and married my grandmother when her family bought (1896) a nearby ranch on which to pasture their excellently bred horses.
@wastelandwarrior9738 He died 6 months after I was born, but despite losing half his assets during the Great Depression and Dust Bowl drought he left all his children a gift money can't buy. Dogged fortitude and an exemplary work ethic. Every generation of his progeny has grown the modest legacy he left them. There are several accounts of his life in a basic cow camp in a book by Lillie Mae Hunter (an elderly school teacher) who became the county unofficial historian writing about our county's pioneers. The first time grandad was offered an automobile ride he stood on the running board so he could jump free if things went awry. Within a few yrs of being introduced to the automobile he said, "Any time you can trade two horses for one you're making a good deal." My male cousins who romanticize the cowboy life cringe every time I offer that quote - but that is no rumor, he said that to my dad when they were hauling cowfeed with a couple of old 1930s trucks from NM to grandpa's (hungry) fancy registered Hereford cattle in the central TX Panhandle during a decade long drought. I have the bank loans he took out to buy the cowfeed that almost bankrupted him. He had too much faith in FDR's ability to reset the economy. LOL, nobody's perfect!
09:50 green dirt, green clay, a gold detector Brett and a sample to pan out, copper usually or possibly associated with it. Copper silver gold possibly associated with green dirt. Could be worthwhile checking it out……..loving what you do Brett , I look forward to each new video you put up. 🇦🇺🇺🇸
Yeah, my dogs have been bit by rattlesnakes and survived. Their mother was bit no telling how many times, and I guess the pups acquired the ability to survive a bite from her. She was a good dog.
Hi! Yes, I think as well, that the geen dirt contains copper - and the area looks to me, as if there could be more interesting material in the ground. Thanks for sharing the ride - it is an amazing athmosphere, and reminds me of my journey to the four corner states years ago. A once in a liftetime experience! Greetings from Germany Chris
So interesting. Really good vid. Like the flashy hat band. I can see that Billy might have stayed there, he had to hide somewhere and there is probably better than a lot of other places. I am curious to know if there was/is any water handy to the site. Thanks again for taking us along.
Iron reduction may impart greenish gray colors, though certain minerals including glauconite, melanterite, and celadonite can also give soil a green color. Glauconite soils form from select marine sedimentary rocks, while melanterite soils are produced in acidic, pyrite-rich soils.
@@BrettVaughnB100 your probably right, although miners and geologists do make mistakes! If you could have that deep scanning satellite go over it and do a surface and a deep scan, then you would know what's there for sure? I don't have enough pull to get them to do that. LOL
As a teen, spending time out on my grandparents' ranch every summer, I enjoyed reading, to help pass the time. I read about Billy the Kid, among other books. Speaking about Gorilla Rock, I saw photos on a website of gigantic stone animals, including a massive gorilla. Apparently, atmospheric, water, and earth conditions solid- ified both giants and gigantic animals, after the worldwide flood. 🦍
Here in AZ, my doctor had a problem on his ranch with rattlesnakes. He looked into it and got some emus and no more snakes. The eggs are huge and a great source of protein.
I love this old West American histor and live that you share these places with us thru your videos!!! Thanks for posting this! Just discovered your channel and I have lots more of your content to enjoy!!! Stay safe!
green in the dirt is probably oxidized copper. But back in PA, I found an old laundry mat that had an old sign fallen down that said: "George Slepington Washed here"
Thumbs up Great video God Bless you abundantly, I've always wondered, what did they do with their horses if they were on the front side of anywhere, I use to have horses and spent alot of time at Cedar lake down by Kentucky, and there were a few small rock areas, not mountains, just huge rock hills and one of them had a waterfall that would dry up July and August and I would slowly walk my horse inside and a huge cave was inside,all rock,no sand or mud, and me and Smokey ( iron Gray Ap) would camp inside,it was great,100 degrees outside and probably 60 to 70 inside, I've missed those days constantly, your vids are a wonderful walk down memory lane
It's funny how these places are get "special " status in folklore, Here in England we have many places reputed to be connected to names such as Robin Hood ,King Arthur, Merlin the Wizard, Robert the Bruce or William Wallace (Braveheart) but little or no proof for any of them because they relate to events between 600 - 1200 years ago. People love to believe a good story even without any proof.
Brett, looked like lion country to me . Did you cover the 360 degrees of old Gorilla head ? Top to bottom…… Lawmen looking for crooks there, I would think, would ride their mounts around near the base, and look up into the bluffs, etc, then maybe dismount a climb into a few places to have a look. ….depending. 90 degrees, too hot for me, to be out there poking around….60, would be more like it. Thanks for another trip in the rough country ! 🤠👍🏻
Too hot for me too .. I did ride around it some but didn't climb up everywhere .. funny thing I got a call on a lion track the next canyon over the following day .. I went out this morning and trailed him for a while until it got too hot for the hounds .... Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 Its a tough life, but someone must do it, Brett….it may as well be you, and Big Agnes, riding the ridges…….and filming ! Thanks……Colorado gets hot enough in summer, fo me….aint retirement great !
Gerhardt Valley in PDL is our family ranch. Billy the kid us to trade his horse out with my great grandfather and spent his last Christmas dinner on our ranch.
I lived in Hawaii (on the Big Island) for many years. There is a beach called Green Sand Beach where a green cliff goes right down into the ocean. The mineral is called olivine crystal which is a magnesium iron silicate. That could be what that green strata was that you rode by.
New subscr. I can really identify with your outlook for camping. To me it seems like a primal need to return to a "place" our ancestors existed in, a way of life. Building a fire and cooking over the flames. Good luck to you and Agnes and Ruth also. Watch your step out there. (Rick from NC).
Hello ! we are from Michigan 9o's up here love your channel We have been out to N M Tanbark canon & Nogail peck in the White Mountains love the west keep up the good work ! Tuff country
This is kinda off the subject of your video however I was wondering so I am going to ask.... How do you pen, barn, ext. Your mules when they are not out on the trail with you?
I just have pen with water and feed them twice a day .. or when I'm camping I hobble their front legs together and let them graze .. feed them some pellets then tie them up for the night .. Thanks
That small cave and the brush around it could have been a decent hiding spot for a few guys, BUT where exactly were their HORSES going to be able to hide from from travellers on the wagon road?
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Onx map code is 100Years not 'b100 if you like this video check this one out ruclips.net/video/Y-j2FNqynlY/видео.htmlsi=Fci7fTw9XA987CBW Thanks!!
Highly possible. Old lore from my family states that the kid would come into Mesilla from time to time. Tell everyone he was in Mexico. When he’d leave he’d head south , wait then ride back up the bottom of the river to wash his tracks out , about 2:AM, and head north. I get argument, but I’m a 4 rth generation southern New Mexican. And most old timers both gringo and Mexican said his death was faked. Old timers up around Ramah swore him and his wife lived there. Like I say who knows.
Wow thats something .. We need to get together again and talk Thanks
Yes sir we do. I used to sit around my grandparents porch in Deming and listen to my grandad and his brothers talk about the kid and the regulators. Their dad met Pat Garrett once , and he had his opinion. Yea I got a ton of their theories in my head.
I grew up in Las Cruces from ‘58 to ‘74. In the mid ‘60s dad to us to several ghost towns. Was interesting to see it as if the people just left! I imagine it’s been looted by now. The Organ Mountains has many mines. As a Boy Scout we hiked and camped all over the mountains. Dad deer hunted around the Dona Anna Mts. and Cooks Peak. Many memories.
Yep, Billy lived very close to where the Wild Wolf Sanctuary property is now for at least a year or so.
I seen a couple of interviews about Billy the kid and it's true Pat Garrett did let him go under a promise that he leave and never come back or he would shoot him and billy did leave and he lived in Texas and became a farmer under a different name and he did have children and he did have a daughter and when she was in her senior year she was telling her story about Billy the kid and the story goes on...
That green dirt has copper ore in it. LOVE riding along Sir👍🏽
Some excellent copper ore in them hills it looks. Bet a good bit of gold in that same area too.
Awesome video,love the old western history & how they lived & traveled,your comment made sense,if you're an outlaw you're not staying on the main trail,the green rock/sediment is either copper or sand deposit from the old sea bed,happy father's day 🤙
Thanks yeah .. I tried to think like them ...
I will be in NM (hopefully August).
I will be seeing the hideouts.
If we happen to cross paths, your hounds are going to get spoiled with Love. 😁❤️
I am going to love them all up.
Kisses to your Mules too. ❤❤❤
Reminds me of the legendary Tsali's cave here in the Smoky Mtns of WNC. Tsali was one of the Oconoluftee band of Cherokees that resisted removal by the U.S. Army in 1838. Different but still brutal country to bush wack through. Look him up.
I will look him up ... Thanks
I've been there. Amazing country but rough as heck lol
I'm a big Billy the Kid fan. Times back then were different. Both sides had the law on their side at times. Thank you for an amazing video. Hope to see more in the future.
I'm done slowed up on my draw, so still doing a lot of catch up on your videos. I'm inclined with the notion, when you're trailing a fugitive or what have you, you gotta learn all you can about'em and think like them. If hiding out, from whom, your grub, and your transportation. In Billy's time, you have to learn the happenings of that time, and a lot of those forts relied on human intelligence, don't matter if they're of the shady kind, because it went both ways. Billy knew that area very well, and helped a lot of cattle drives, helping prospective cattle ranchers moving mavericks out of Texas & Mexico up to the northern plains after the civil war ended. A lot of Texas ranchers got pulled into the civil war, leaving their ranch, stock and family. Women moved to nearby towns, away from homesteads, ranches, and farms during this period, leaving livestock unattended. During a 4 years period during the civil war era, cattle & horses roamed wild, and increased a lot of unbranded (no claim) livestock called mavericks.
After the civil war, if you had the means to put a brand on those mavericks, they were legally yours, and then you could move them without the fear of running afoul of the law. The other problems beside mavericks, was raiding parties from Mexico, NM, AZ Territories, and thus Rangers came about, NM Rangers, Arizona Ranger, and the Texas Rangers. So Billy, and many cow punchers always had work, whether it be scouting, cattle drives or lawmen. This why I'm not inclined to believe Billy the Kid was ever an outlaw, nor do I believe he was killed by Pat Garrett (dubbed the clumsy unlucky lawman). Billy was worth more alive to the cavalry, and the territorial lawmen resettling folks moving west, and reinstituting law and order. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I grew up in those areas, and banked up a lot of history along the way. May be old, but my mind and heart has stayed young. Mil/Leo retired, stay blessed y'all! :o)
Brett glad you got to make the trip, interesting but now I know should someone ever ask me if I want to see Billy the Kids hideout, I’ll say no, I’ve seen enough. Thanks for the journey.
lol Thanks
Great ride Brett thank you for taking us along.I hope you had a wonderful Father’s Day.Till the next one adios!
Thanks and same to you ..
a new video good Happy Father's day it's Father's Day when I'm watching this
Thanks .. same to you !
Thank you! Always appreciate you getting out in the country on saddle back! Mules are my preference although I love horses are a beautiful animal! Donkeys are worth their weight too!
I'm with .. like em all thanks !
Mule, every time!
I agree there might have been an account of him staying there a couple nights. But I think he would have dug in more some place a normal hideout would have a little lean too or something down in a little valley or something. Would be cool to find a little rock fireplace or oven. Great video pretty country, cool lookin for a lost historical place. I use to work for a pretty big outfit in west Texas won’t name names because it’s not mine and don’t want to attract unwanted attention. But on my days off I would saddle up and trailer out and ride them mesas. Found some old cowboy huts and abandoned buildings, best thing was I found a few old cave entrances that went back thirty or 40 feet, and the ceilings were black my guess from camp fires. All sorts of arrowheads and spearheads.
That would be cool to find .. I'm going to do some research and try to find some other places to ride too .. Thank you
90* sounds almost cool, the heat index this week has been in the 106-115* range this past week, it’s Father’s Day today, hope you had a good Father’s Day today and got to spend time with your family, mules and hounds, I still like that hat
Thats way too hot .. I did have a good fathers day and i hope you did too ... Thanks
I enjoy seeing how much you care for your animals PRIOR to using them.... You give them some oats, You brush their coats out, the brushing out also acts as a light massage prior to working them.... its then and only then you start putting your saddle on etc.... Everyone should appreciate how you care....
Gotta take care of your partners .. Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 I hate snakes too.... there is no lower animal then a damn snake....
Great steady camera work and give Agnes a carrot for her sure footedness on the brutal terrain!
I will .. Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 How do all those hounds keep from stumbling into rattlesnakes while they are loping through the desert?
Looks like a great place to use a metal detector. Never know what just under the surface. Great trip Brett. God bless
Ordered one of your coffee mugs, got myself my own father's day gift
Thanks .. I still got to get together with you sometime .. I've been real busy...Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 no worries brother
There is a cave outside of Ruidoso that is said to go all the way to Lincoln
Been there myself. Pretty underwhelming once you see it but it’s a fun ride none the less. Thanks for posting! 🙏🏻😃
Another awesome adventure Brett 👍
Stay safe and be well !
Thanks, you too!
Great video Mr Brett!
The OnX map was an awesome addition!
Thanks George ..
Great videos and I love the old stories. I have been told that San Francisco hot springs was one of his hideouts. My best guess for the green dirt is copper. Thanks for sharing!
We will see .. lol thanks
It’s neat to be somewhere that has marked a huge part in history!
Yep .. Put up more videos Chris
Glad to see you put out a new adventure! Been waiting. Thank you!
Thanks .. hopefully more to come
Cool place! I like the spring in that road when it is flowing.
Yes .. you've been there ? thanks
I'm so jealous of you!! I'm a 75yr old female still do security work and still ride. Horse is about my age!! 😁
But I have had and love mules. I own very secluded and love it and your videos!!!
Linda from Missouri 👍🥰😊♥️
Thank you .. thats great that your still riding stay after it .. Thank you!
The official Billy The Kid souvenir shop is in Old Mesilla across the street from La Posta restaurant which was a Butterfield stage stop. Billy really got around. Love the video.
Enjoying your rides . Amazing country, lot's of history. Thank you for sharing 👍🏜
Glad you enjoy them .. Thanks for watching
I just found your channel and absolutely love the way you tell these stories. Thank you for what you're doing and keep up the great work.
Thank you! Will do!
Another great one 👍👍
Onward and Upward is the Watchword.
Thanks Jeff .. Onward and upward !!!👍👍
Fun trip , ruff country Agnus handled it well Happy Fathers day Brett
Thank you ..and same
Thanks Brett for another wonderful ride
You bet .. Thank you for watching
So I have been to a few old ghost towns. I've been to Deadwood S Dakota, I've been to the little big horn battlefield etc, and I can tell you that there's a really spooky aura to them all, almost like from what you'd see in a light horror movie. When you showed the shots of the post with the pictures of possible writing from btk, and Charlie Boudry, it was super spooky. Like some ghost riders in the sky kind of thing.
lol ... probably lots of ghosts up and down that canyon.. thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 :)
Now that's what I call living the dream.
Thanks .. I do like to take these rides
Been watching you Agnes and the doggies all Tuesday evening and so freaking enjoyed it it's really helped my brain relax and get away and nature be safe my friend can't wait till the next one
Awesome! Thank you! Glad we could help
Brett: Enjoyed the video. I think the best book ever regarding Billy the Kid is by Robert M Utley and is titled "Billy the Kid"--A Short and Violent Life. You will really enjoy this book.
I'm going to look it up and get it .. Thanks!
Thanks sharing if no Billy the Kid hideout. You made it feel as though I was on mule riding. I am in Northern Az as re-enactor as a highwayman/outlaw. Love these videos. Makes you think as was one 120+ yrs ago.
Glad you enjoyed it .. where do you do the reenacting ? Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 welcome, Our group performs in Payson, we have done Holbrook, Young (Pleasant Valley) one Saturday at Apache Junction Goldfield.
My grandpa worked for a big TX Panhandle rancher named Obertheir as a young cow puncher who ran away from home at 14y.o. from Moran TX. He got off the freight train in Lubbock TX, worked construction until he'd saved enough to buy a horse and a few old bred cows. He followed his cows out toward Clovis, NM camping on the unfenced, open prairie the first summer and fall. Obertheir encountered my grandpa as he grazed across his open range land 50 miles east of Muleshoe. That land had been purchased when the XIT Ranch began selling off the Ten (counties) In Texas that British consortiums bought in exchange for fronting TX money to build the magnificent pink granite capitol in Austin.
Mr Obertheir offered to buy my grandpa's cow-calf pairs and give him a job keeping watch on his herd which was too far from Obertheir's HQ for him to keep an eye on.
Obertheir had a teamsters deliver lumber for a one room shack my teen-age (about 17 y. o. grandpa had to build. Shacks on the open prairie often became a way point for travelers.
Grandpa had overnight guests of random "outlaws" who'd be traveling east from various points (hideouts) in NM territory. Some of the visitors helped themselves to "stray" horses or a young steer, killed, quartered and thrown across a spare horse to deliver as a gift to a friend offering them a few days of refuge as they traveled toward their destination.
Grandpa had many stories of having surprise overnight guests who'd arrive about dark. It was considered inhospitable if he didn't offer them a can of beans, a biscuit and a cup of coffee. He lived a pretty austere life, but most of his more mysterious guests didn't want to talk much. If they talked at all it would be about where they came from or where they were going.
He said his guests destinations were often misleading. As he grazed the cattle herd the following days he'd find tracks where they'd left his shack heading one direction, made a big wide loop to head off in another direction. He believed he had hosted Billy and a few other less legendary train robbers, cattle/horse thieves and outlaws during his several yrs in that bachelor cow camp.
Oberthier treated him well and his excellent work ethic was rewarded with cattle amounting to the number lost previous to his hiring. By age 25 grandpa had his own cattle herd, leased Oberthier's pastures and married my grandmother when her family bought (1896) a nearby ranch on which to pasture their excellently bred horses.
@@rt3box6tx74wow amazing family history. Sounds like your grandpaw was a character 😂
@wastelandwarrior9738 He died 6 months after I was born, but despite losing half his assets during the Great Depression and Dust Bowl drought he left all his children a gift money can't buy. Dogged fortitude and an exemplary work ethic. Every generation of his progeny has grown the modest legacy he left them.
There are several accounts of his life in a basic cow camp in a book by Lillie Mae Hunter (an elderly school teacher) who became the county unofficial historian writing about our county's pioneers.
The first time grandad was offered an automobile ride he stood on the running board so he could jump free if things went awry.
Within a few yrs of being introduced to the automobile he said, "Any time you can trade two horses for one you're making a good deal."
My male cousins who romanticize the cowboy life cringe every time I offer that quote - but that is no rumor, he said that to my dad when they were hauling cowfeed with a couple of old 1930s trucks from NM to grandpa's (hungry) fancy registered Hereford cattle in the central TX Panhandle during a decade long drought. I have the bank loans he took out to buy the cowfeed that almost bankrupted him.
He had too much faith in FDR's ability to reset the economy. LOL, nobody's perfect!
Appreciate the journey, thanks for sharing.
You bet .. Thank you for watching
09:50 green dirt, green clay, a gold detector Brett and a sample to pan out, copper usually or possibly associated with it. Copper silver gold possibly associated with green dirt. Could be worthwhile checking it out……..loving what you do Brett , I look forward to each new video you put up. 🇦🇺🇺🇸
Thank you .. I will check into it .. more to come
Ancient Volcanic Ash
We love this. Love the mule, the dogs everything
Yeah, my dogs have been bit by rattlesnakes and survived. Their mother was bit no telling how many times, and I guess the pups acquired the ability to survive a bite from her. She was a good dog.
All of mine have survived that were bit in the head.. Thanks
Hi! Yes, I think as well, that the geen dirt contains copper - and the area looks to me, as if there could be more interesting material in the ground. Thanks for sharing the ride - it is an amazing athmosphere, and reminds me of my journey to the four corner states years ago. A once in a liftetime experience! Greetings from Germany Chris
I have to say that Agnes is a beautiful animal and I’m getting a new and different perspective on Mules. Great stuff!
Awesome! Thank you! She was a good one
great video ; always looking forward the next one ; thanks for sharing your adventures.
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
So interesting. Really good vid. Like the flashy hat band. I can see that Billy might have stayed there, he had to hide somewhere and there is probably better than a lot of other places. I am curious to know if there was/is any water handy to the site. Thanks again for taking us along.
Thanks .. it is a good look out spot .. there is an old homestead right down from there .. and pretty close an intermittent spring
Iron reduction may impart greenish gray colors, though certain minerals including glauconite, melanterite, and celadonite can also give soil a green color. Glauconite soils form from select marine sedimentary rocks, while melanterite soils are produced in acidic, pyrite-rich soils.
Must not be worth anything though or they would be mining it I guess .. Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 your probably right, although miners and geologists do make mistakes! If you could have that deep scanning satellite go over it and do a surface and a deep scan, then you would know what's there for sure? I don't have enough pull to get them to do that. LOL
@@toddritchie9137 I'll talk to them about it .. lol
Hello here from Romania I greet you with respect Marius ☀️🤠🇹🇩🖐️
Same to you .. Thanks
As a teen, spending time out on my grandparents' ranch every summer, I enjoyed reading, to help pass the time. I read about Billy the Kid, among other books. Speaking about Gorilla Rock, I saw photos on a website of gigantic stone animals, including a massive gorilla. Apparently, atmospheric, water, and earth conditions solid- ified both giants and gigantic animals, after the worldwide flood. 🦍
Here in AZ, my doctor had a problem on his ranch with rattlesnakes. He looked into it and got some emus and no more snakes. The eggs are huge and a great source of protein.
I use to have a few emus but they weren't free roam ... but I have heard that before .. Thanks
I love this old West American histor and live that you share these places with us thru your videos!!! Thanks for posting this! Just discovered your channel and I have lots more of your content to enjoy!!! Stay safe!
Glad you enjoyed it Thank you!
green in the dirt is probably oxidized copper. But back in PA, I found an old laundry mat that had an old sign fallen down that said: "George Slepington Washed here"
Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Thats great thanks for watching
I was watching your video and I think I'm seeing letters farther up..not sure but it's worth a try .great channel I'm now subscribed
Thanks you .. I will check next time
Thumbs up Great video God Bless you abundantly,
I've always wondered, what did they do with their horses if they were on the front side of anywhere, I use to have horses and spent alot of time at Cedar lake down by Kentucky, and there were a few small rock areas, not mountains, just huge rock hills and one of them had a waterfall that would dry up July and August and I would slowly walk my horse inside and a huge cave was inside,all rock,no sand or mud, and me and Smokey ( iron Gray Ap) would camp inside,it was great,100 degrees outside and probably 60 to 70 inside, I've missed those days constantly, your vids are a wonderful walk down memory lane
Great story sounds like a good place .. I bet you do miss it .. glad I can help thank you
That’s very interesting whether it’s the right place or not. Happy Father’s Day.
Thanks George same to you .. it was a good ride
Love watching those dogs following you.
My partners .. Thanks
So cool thanks for the video ❤
Glad you liked it! Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 I'd love to see things like that i have no car.. I'd like to get out of Arkansas people around here are jerks
If you had to make due with it.. It could be a good spot for logs leaned into the rocks for a well hidden hasty camp
Just found your channel and loved the video. Can’t wait to catch up on your other videos
That green soil is copper-rich and just like copper does….it corrodes and turns green thus the soil color.
Great explore thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it Thanks for watching
#5 video so far today. 70 degrees got the big screen outdide watching your videos. Like the conversation during ur ride.
It's funny how these places are get "special " status in folklore, Here in England we have many places reputed to be connected to names such as Robin Hood ,King Arthur, Merlin the Wizard, Robert the Bruce or William Wallace (Braveheart) but little or no proof for any of them because they relate to events between 600 - 1200 years ago. People love to believe a good story even without any proof.
True ... but why let the truth get in the way of a good story lol but who knows for sure
Cool video. I wonder if that soil has copper in it and that’s what it turns green?
I'm not sure what it is ? Thanks
I just found your channel. I LOVE IT!
Glad you found it .. Thank you
Brett, looked like lion country to me . Did you cover the 360 degrees of old Gorilla head ? Top to bottom…… Lawmen looking for crooks there, I would think, would ride their mounts around near the base, and look up into the bluffs, etc, then maybe dismount a climb into a few places to have a look. ….depending. 90 degrees, too hot for me, to be out there poking around….60, would be more like it. Thanks for another trip in the rough country ! 🤠👍🏻
Too hot for me too .. I did ride around it some but didn't climb up everywhere .. funny thing I got a call on a lion track the next canyon over the following day .. I went out this morning and trailed him for a while until it got too hot for the hounds .... Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 Its a tough life, but someone must do it, Brett….it may as well be you, and Big Agnes, riding the ridges…….and filming ! Thanks……Colorado gets hot enough in summer, fo me….aint retirement great !
Great video I wish you would of have a metal detector with you. Loved it keep on keeping on.
I might go back I do have one .. Thanks
Gerhardt Valley in PDL is our family ranch. Billy the kid us to trade his horse out with my great grandfather and spent his last Christmas dinner on our ranch.
Cool .. where was this at? Thanks
@@BrettVaughnB100 Puerto de Luna NM.
I lived in Hawaii (on the Big Island) for many years. There is a beach called Green Sand Beach where a green cliff goes right down into the ocean. The mineral is called olivine crystal which is a magnesium iron silicate. That could be what that green strata was that you rode by.
Could be .. thanks
watching the ears of your mount tells everything
Check that one off the bucket list
Yes sir.. more to come .. I have a big bucket lol Thanks
Happy Father's Day Brett
Thanks and happy fathers day to you too
Thanks!
Another great video
I appreciate that Thanks
You got my subscription buddy, cool stuff. Merry Christmas and happy new years.. I'd love to see you find old mining related stuff.
I have some old mining camps I am goi g to try and find .. thanks
New subscr. I can really identify with your outlook for camping. To me it seems like a primal need to return to a "place" our ancestors existed in, a way of life. Building a fire and cooking over the flames. Good luck to you and Agnes and Ruth also. Watch your step out there. (Rick from NC).
Thanks Rick .. I think your right
Spent time in Lincoln to see the Tunstall store and the old courthouse, but did not know about Billy's hideout.
You and me both ... they say there were names on the rocks but I couldn't find them .. Thanks
Your Dogs are Awesome,,Bet They are Smelling Scents from Billy the Kid..
lol maybe so .. thanks
That's fun times ol'timer, thanks 👍🏾
Any time!
New subscriber here. Really appreciate you videos. I live in southern Arizona, close to Tombstone.
Awesome! Thank you!
Pretty cool seeing your videos im from the area I've just recently started paying attention to all this history
Came in at #438 with a 👍. I enjoy these You Tube Videos. Thanks.
Thats great Thank you!!
That was a good ride!…dang my ass is a little sore😮😅
lol more trips like that and you will have callouses Thanks
Hello ! we are from Michigan 9o's up here love your channel We have been out to N M Tanbark canon & Nogail peck in the White Mountains love the west keep up the good work ! Tuff country
Thank you .. we have some good friends from Michigan ..
Living the dream, just a guy out in the wilderness with his dogs.
I'm just a simple man lol .. Thanks
You Picked A Fine Ride To Make A Trek Like That Young Man
Thanks !
Appreciate the ride enjoyed it 👍
No problem 👍 thanks for watching
Such a badass channel name
Thank you
Lived in Las Cruces briefly in mid 1970's. Lived Mesilla... a Mexican Restaurant, shops. But life changed drastically. Never returned.
It is getting big for sure .. still good mexican food .. Thanks
The green might be copper
Wagon Trail are in the valley Indians where on the hill. 😊 Snake up and around hills on wagon then down and around. Momentom
How do you get water for your animals out there?
Stock tanks dirt tanks where ever I can find it
This is kinda off the subject of your video however I was wondering so I am going to ask....
How do you pen, barn, ext. Your mules when they are not out on the trail with you?
I just have pen with water and feed them twice a day .. or when I'm camping I hobble their front legs together and let them graze .. feed them some pellets then tie them up for the night .. Thanks
That’s just a decoy spot…. Where Billy the Kid wants you to think he hid out … gotta think like an outlaw!
lol probably .. thanks
That small cave and the brush around it could have been a decent hiding spot for a few guys, BUT where exactly were their HORSES going to be able to hide from from travellers on the wagon road?
Don't know? down the canyon?
The green dirt is olivine I think. Traces of an ancient ocean.
Snakes come to mind as you're walking around there
The Dogs have you well trained!
lol yeah probably .. Thanks
That is interesting. You should do a video on a ride to Geronimo‘s cave
I might do that .. might be kinda hard getting Big Agnes up there .. Thanks
This was really cool thanks.
That green looking dirt is copper minerals