Survive the AI Art Revolution
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Keep in mind I don't think any revolution is happening anytime soon. Nor will AI replace art jobs anytime soon. Most people hyping this idea have no idea how these markets function or what goes into production of games and other entertainment properties.
Getting the last 5-10% of quality out of a production takes a huge effort from many people, But getting that last 1 or 2% of art quality is often what makes all the money. Wait until AI can actually do things which are valuable... that artists are actually getting paid for right now. Then it's worth having the discussion. At that point it will still be many years before something like this becomes production ready. The idea that any of this is a few years away is just clickbait right now.
If you are worried about people selling prints of AI generated art... understand there is rarely any money in those markets anyway at the bottom end. Unless an artist has a huge audience and following that loves them and their work...they are going to find it really hard to make money selling merch and prints and stickers etc.
But it might happen one day. So in this video I try to break down the factors that go into building a good career from your art. And how things like AI might play into your options down the road.
There is no step by step advice or specific suggestions for what you should do. Because that will never work when talking about the future. You need to focus on understanding the terrain and positioning yourself skill-wise. Not on following some cookie cutter path.
The future is going to optimise for people taking advantage of their inherent interests and strengths on every level. So the more you focus on what makes you work and what gets you up in the morning the more chance you will have to create systems and business which can compete with automation.
This is a fun topic! Let me know your thoughts or additional questions in the comments. I'll make some follow up videos discussing what we can learn from AI generated Art.
If you want to use AI as a reason to quit art then go for it! Happy travels!
Otherwise...
Happy Drawing!
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The future is bright for artists who want to create their own worlds and ideas! (As I lay out towards the end of the video!)
There will be an inflationary flooding of ai creations. Inflation means devaluation, that's also a rule of the market. And other mediums like design, music or even writing itself will follow. In fact there are already solutions out there, just not yet quite as good as this breakthrough in image generation. I am following the development for some time now. Just a couple of years ago Dall-E v1 was still super wonky, by no means close to what it can do now. Given the incredible speed things are taking off I am thinking the next years might disrupt not only the market, but us culturally as a whole. The arts always have been a reflection of us culturally throughout the ages.
I do think this development will have a huge impact, but Pandora's box is open, time to adapt rather than complain, I guess...
@@Charles_Bro-son The Vector and Velocity of change you are suggesting is just an assumption. You are on a silicon valley slide deck hype train. Not the most reliable or proven mode of transport... The first movement of improvement is often fast, that does not imply a set speed or scale of improvement. I think humans have a tendency to worship other things (animals, objects, self creations) that can do human things. We give them a lot of credit for being like us. While underestimating the complexity and intuitive nature of everything we do. And the speed of technological improvement is a faith that many adhere to. If any of these AI scripts were my students I would not rate them at all. Even the better stuff that Midjourney creates which I find appealing... still is a one trick pony. Terrible at 95% of things artists do and need to do.
With that said it is always possible they get there in the end. Perhaps really soon. If that happens the entire world will change so drastically (because it would signal overall improvement in all AI) that it will be impossible to predict. I would bet on art as a good way to separate yourself from an AI in that situation. Most other jobs are going to have a harder time proving their worth vs automation.
Thanks for your thoughts!
@@TheDrawingCodex You added a new angle to think about this issue. I'll definately have to process still, not come to an ultimate opinion or conclusion yet. Cheers mate!
@@Charles_Bro-son There will be a flood of it, but it won't replace most art. It's going to be extremely good at certain things (particularly when it's heavily guided by an artist) but meaningful and powerful art, music, stories, etc have very human elements making them work. Human elements that AI won't be able to accomplish anywhere on our current roadmaps. If you've gotten far enough in your journey to understand the importance of level of intention put into a work then it's obvious that AI can't do that without actually being human-like. However I'm not saying that it won't be massively prominent, I believe it will find tons of uses.
@@TheDrawingCodex silicone valley deck hype train, I like that..
As a musician I can relate to this. The job of a wedding band was replaced by a DJ, and then the job of the DJ was replaced by an iPad on a stand with an open Spotify que. I am one member of an 8 piece funk band that can only play for about an hour and a half until we run out of energy and material to play whereas there are RUclips streams that play non-stop music that only requires one person at a computer to pump out. It's tough coming to grips with these technological advancements that make you feel like your art is obsolete...
I guess you need to find the places to go where a real musician's touch is needed? There's nothing better than a good live show, people still want that human element / that connection.
There is still time to stop this change
@@cory99998 The market for Jazz, Rock, Math Rock, Metal etc musicians do still exist and we already get used to how shitty pop musics keep changing and devolving
The only right way to listen to funk is live. I love a good Spotify playlist, but that wouldn’t stop me from hearing you play in person, especially because it would be listening and vibing with other people. People getting married always want to keep the price down, but maybe your crowd is with people who don’t want to be alone and just want to jam out with others on a weekend.
@@Window4503 Spotify is not stealing copyrighted material and making new music out with it, it is not a new way to consume art, it is a way to monopolize market, steal the production.
So what I think needs to be done is for REAL artists to start building a parallel industry and to network with each other to create their own indie studios.
Look at what indie developers have done in the gaming industry. We can do the same for comics, for writing, and we can blow these "industries" out of the water and even completely uproot/rebuild them.
Yes! We need that right now! 💪
I think that's what's going to happen in the near future. More and more people are getting bored with the big budget movies and etc. Slowly there will be a very definite line between independent art industry and Corpo art industry
That is a fantastic idea...
I am working on a project for this.
So glad you said this!
We have been building our own tools for this.
If it’s any consolation to artists out there; I generally avoid ai generated images. It’s been quite easy to discern ai from human. Looking at ai images feels like I’m looking into a fever dream and I’m sure there people out there who share the same sentiment.
I think we’re also worried about what happens when the images stop looking like a fever dream and become hard even for the trained eye to distinguish. Good to know not everyone is rooting the artist’s demise though!
I'm the same- I'm instantly bored when I see AI art of something 'complex'. It effectively did to hundreds of images what a blender does to vegetables, and the end result shows it.
Give it time. They're developing very quickly these days. I've been messing around with stable diffusion these last few days, and what amazes me is how effortless it was to get fairly good results, as long as you don't ask for anything too specific or weird. Sure most of the images show a little typical AI jank, but many of these images are good enough that I don't care. And crucially, once I've dialled some settings I like, I can have the AI crank out a 100 images in less than half an hour, of which 1/10 to 1/2 are usable. If my talentless ass can get this free AI working this well today, things are going to be really rough for mediocre professional artists in 10 years.
@@fnorgen I expect it's going to go the way of plagiarism. Studios won't touch it because they aren't interested in images that can lead to lawsuits, potentially owned by the company that made the AI.
There are many images generated by ai can not discern. Not to mention when artifacts and other inconsistencies have been edited away. You shouldn't infer general validity from the masses.
I feel like no one wants anything genuine and meaningful so they lean so heavily to mass produced novelty art that AI pumps out, everyone is so depressed, hollow, and jaded people are losing appreciation for skill and dedication that things like art requires.
It can feel like that! But keep in mind society runs in cycles. If you are getting sick of it... other people are too. Once they stop buying it all changes.
@Arthur Brown The movie industry goes through cycles like everything else, you might need to look at earlier movies to see it.
I believe that commercial use of AI is gonna be restricted pretty soon, in the way that you'll need to own the rights to an entire training set in order to own the rights to the output. Given that every single stock image library distributor will be throwing their lawyers towards stopping people from using an AI trained on their material without paying for it. Right now all these tech startups are trying to turn a profit as quickly as possible by training their data on currently working artists until it stops being legal, then running away with the money.
@@creativebubblecat it is not legal for a commercial company to scrape the dataset so the commercial company created and funded a non-profit to scrape the dataset and then used the dataset for commercial use. Does not sound legal to me.
i love billionaires
Same like those NFT bros and crypto bros.
"Hey, it's a new crypto that potentially gonna blow up! Let's all invest in it!"
>the crypto starts to become less popular or crashing
>every crypto bros rapidly sells the crypto and make quick money from it.
> then they search for a new crypto and repeat the process. Flock, make money, leave.
Is this some way of exploiting the capitalist system?
This just strengthens my view that everything on the Internet is a lie. The only real thing is things that exist in the real world in a physical form.
They should be fined into oblivion frankly
I'm hoping that too. God ear you, what they are doing is completly illegal. Who knows they are using my art too. I heard that some lawsuit are coming for them.
I just discovered this video, I’ve been in a terrible place recently with feeling so useless as an artist trying to start at all in the art industry, and I’ve just felt like shit really. This video is such a nice reset to my mental state, helped me focus back into the mindset that if I pout around and complain nothings gonna happen, I gotta make stuff and take it myself
Awesome I’m glad this one helped out! Good luck! It’s a challenging journey to begin for sure. But worth it from my experience.
Ai techcompanies should pay the artists for using their art. Or pay the artist for using the artists name as a promp.
True, I really dislike how AI is trained off of art and designs from various artists and creations without anybodies consent. When I tried creating an NGE like robot, it gave me something that undoubtely was trained on screenshots of the series...
The AI benefits from that and it gets very powerful but how is that legal?
agreed. this serves as a new of commissioning any artists whose names are used in the prompts. considering some AI programs have paid services, it could be a good way to help out the artists involved. ironic how this whole AI fiasco is going considering it's supposed to "help" professional artists. but that's how the exploitation of any technology goes apparently.
That’s like saying that every person who has ever taken inspiration from another artist’s style should pay commission for their work. If the AI was basically photobashing Art pieces together I would agree with you, but in reality it is deconstructing the artwork by basically shredding it back and forth 5 times and then constructing something of it’s own from the shreds.
If an artist ends up taking this to court it won’t make it far. If an artist believes that their style is all that makes them what they are then they should probably rethink their marketing plan.
Tell this to Greg Rutkowski…the most used artist name for AI Art.
@@AironyAi exactly, and it is becoming bland now that it is no longer a style, but instead a fad. Style isn’t what you should base your entire art career over. Rutkowski deserves every bit of praise for his work, but he needs to find something aside from his style that makes him valuable to a workplace. This is what will push creativity in a massive way if you adapt and use the tool. If you refuse then you will probably grow bitter and stagnant in the art environment. Adapt or Perish.
This seems like a pretty naive take to me. You're talking about understanding basic economics but don't really seem to consider how companies in multiple industries will eventually be given the choice of "Use an AI or pay a real person 90% more for 5% more quality." Once people start losing work to AI, they and other upcoming artists are pretty likely to flood other industries which will tank demand and very likely drive prices down into the dirt which will make art an even less viable career choice than it already is.
I appreciate the thoughts here. I feel you are not considering the actual market dynamics of supply and demand and why companies exist in the first place. Doing so is tricky, and I am not suggesting I am 100% right either. But you have to look at the different participants and think of their incentives. Not just one factor changes... ALL factors change once you add something like AI into the mix. And in the end the goal for creating the best product to remain in the top 5-1% of products will be all that matters for large companies. If a company can create a AA or AAA game at 10% of current cost that opens up the field for many other smaller companies consisting of far less people and far more AI to compete with each other. In the end there is still the issue of what will achieve the final 5% of quality that gives all of the money to the successful company. The payroll burn rate is only one factor here. I don't think it's necessarily going to be the best strategy to just fire all the artists...
They might be doing different things than before... but who knows. Perhaps there will be more jobs. Perhaps less. The skillset might be different.
It is likely that the lower level production jobs will disappear as they have been for the last 20 years... but teams have been getting way bigger even as those jobs are wiped out.
The reason big soulless companies exist now is that they have the resources to bring many people together to create these products. Without that... you cannot make a AAA game right now. You need $$$. If you don't need the money to make a game due to AI, then the games will cost less to make. Thus there will be more competition.
Think of how many indie studios have been created in the last 10 years to serve the Steam market and the mobile market. Creating games with this quality with smaller budgets was not possible earlier. Once it is... it happens. People replace coders with engines like Unity and UE. Are developers out of jobs? No there are more jobs and more opportunities than ever before. More games, more people playing games. More money being made. All though automation and replacing jobs with software.
If a company can fire me and all the artists and replace them with AI... then I the artist can fire the company and replace them with AI. The Art requires at least as much skill and training as other jobs. AI for replacing middle management and a CEO and a marketing department and an accounting department will develop much faster and become much better than AI 'Art' because it will have far greater utility.
SAAS companies are already doing this for accounting etc. And they are already adding AI to their services.
If you are an artist then use your imagination. Build something! Get in early :)
The problem is that it's not real artificial intelligence. The problem is that this is a mixer network. He goes online, takes a selection of real, live people----artists and photographers---and from them he makes his "new" images. This is the problem. If this machine was drawing it's own, then yes. But her whole "ART" is based on stealing the choices and styles from other artists. For example, you've been building your style for years. Now some fool using this AI mixer steals your unique style in seconds.
Also, you say: "just you change the direction of your target. If you were doing illustrations, change the terrain, start something else".
Then I ask:
Okay, until when we change pitches? Until they push us out of the boundaries picture's?
The truth is one and it is very simple: One way or another, this so-called "AI" makes the life of artists much more difficult and stressful. And artists already live a stressful enough life.
Second: this AI steals intellectual property, copies other people's styles, does not respect your style.
Third: The above two lead to devaluation of Arta. Any slider pusher can do the image quality you've been fighting for all your life.
The bottom line: this is not progress. It's a substitution.
Solution: Make laws about the whole thing. Laws setting limitations on all this chaos-parade and Art sodomy.
Right, the true Artifical inteligence would just wonder the world and see it for itself to create an art, not just relying at memorizing and make network from alrd existing art.
Most AI we have right now mostly Top Down, being fed data and become exactly that.
True AI would be Bottom Up, learning by using its own sense like a human baby would.
That’s a major dilemma because you can’t copyright claim a ‘art style’ , otherwise virtually no artist’s could profit off their work.
These Ai generators are in a transformative works category because they’re not directly copying exact replicas of someone else’s art, only referencing the style.
My own art style is a fusion of manga and illustrator influences I’ve been inspired by over the years, which is nothing unique, most of what we learn is done by referencing others, problem is it takes us humans years to master it whereas the Ai ‘learns’ in under five minutes.
The only hope I see here is that artists could sue them for referencing their data sets without permission, but otherwise idk, Pandora’s box is open and we’re going to have to find creative ways to compete with this sooner or later😬😬
@@TheRockyCrowe
Well, they are already in court. A class action lawsuit was filed.
I don't think we'll have to deal with this AI. I have a feeling that everything will end well. This AI, it doesn't learn. What they say "learning" is a gallant way of saying theft. There are tons of examples of how AI remakes / recycles / text, pictures, photos, music and so on.
p.s.
Actually, my Art style is also manga but maybe combined maybe mostly with realism. 😁
@@stanimirgeorgiev.87 oh seriously? That’s great then! Still though, even if some basis of law codes is established Ai is going to affect the industry in some way, restrictions will limit its scope, at least for now.
The incidences of straight up theft I think are coming from people using these generators in the laziest bare-bones copy/paste way possible because I’ve seen incredible Ai ‘artworks’ that weren’t stolen, just touched up in photoshop.
@@TheRockyCrowe
I don't know man. The very idea that this software puts everything in everyone's hands is devastating because it upsets the natural balance----effort, will, persistence, love---on the part of the individual and puts everything in everyone's hands. It's natural when you get as much as you give. You gave 1%, you get 1%. I studied design, perspective, anatomy, I learned to make machines. I learned 3D, I learned to write. It has been an honest hard work over the years of my 30 year dedication and I am getting what I deserve through my dedication, dedication and love. Now these programs put it all in the hands of lazy, undeserving people. This is bullshit and devalues labor and effort. If it's up to me, I may sound mean, but I wish misery on all these individuals who develop these programs. To me these are individuals with evil intent and I am unwavering in my understanding. Now some guy is doing these "what would 80 years of movies look like" and he's doing a lot of these videos. Does he think that at this very moment he is giving hard work? When I see how intensely he releases video after video with these AI photos I understand 2 things:
First: he takes these pictures very insistently.
Second: Such a large amount is done very quickly in order for him to release such a large amount of videos.
Therefore, I infer that he thinks he is putting in hard work now, right? Perhaps. But he has no idea what is called hard, hard work! I'm the one ho have put A HARD work over the years while during those same years he has been doing other things. Now he's on par with me. This is complete bullshit.
And on top of that, they will be taking the work of dozens of artists who, until last year, were living hard, but at least they knew they would have work. Now this job was denied to them because the employers print their images themselves with this AIs. Everything is so messed up and wrong. It's all so unfair. Like the war. It's just that someone out there decides there's going to be a war today and you can't object. You'll just have to endure. You suffer the terrible consequences of some lunatic's decisions. I'm tired of someone telling me how to live, what I have to AGAIN adapt to, what NEW things I have to learn. Maybe my life is good as it is right now? Maybe I don't want changes? Maybe I've studied enough all my life and maybe now it's time for me to take the percentages due to me? But not! Now I have this AI challenge. Well, I don't think some asshole out there should be making my life and the lives of my co-workers miserable and unnecessarily difficult. So, basically, yes. That's it. He who has learned to draw, let him draw. He who has learned to make programs, let him make programs. But not for the programmer to meddle in the crafts of others by breaking the natural order of things in the field of those other crafts. If tomorrow I decide to carry out a revenge attack on this AI programmer by breaking his bones because of the damage caused by his irresponsible and reckless actions will he be content to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair? Well, it's exactly the same with me, and I'm not content to spend the rest of my life constantly fighting and competing with unnecessary and unwanted by me, apparently by many other of my fellows, events like this AI. So I am angry at the very idea of this interference and the other things I pointed out. The very idea of this constant irritating misery that someone constantly (for unknown a reasons to me) thinks should happen. And don't let anyone tell me that no bad intentions out there . These individuals are perfectly aware of what they are doing. And what they are perfectly aware of what this program of theirs will do to dozens of artists! Oh, they know that! They have said this many times. With these programs, THERE WILL BE NO MORE NEED FOR ARTISTS! THEY SAID THAT! And they did that. I forgive only when the evil is not by intention but by accident. But premeditated actions costing suffering and misery I never forgive. These softwares deserve a complete ban. And if it were up to me I would delete them as if they never existed. Because who can give me guarantees that strict restrictions can be made there? Who can guarantee laws guaranteeing that an individual can train their PERSONAL AI only and only in their personal Art style and no one else's without the express permission of the other individual concerned? How will you know if I haven't secretly downloaded your pictures and "trained" my AI on them? You can not. There are so many things that cannot be guaranteed. But one thing is for sure, all this chaos is in a charge.
But it seems the art community in the person of Guillermo Del Toro and a Japanese animator are also on our side. They spoke out against and against these AI mixers. So I'm hoping for a court ruling to remove these AI mixers or strong restrictions (again, I don't know what, I mentioned the difficulty in making any guarantees).
Despite the bleak outlook a lot of artist are having right now, I actually agree with what you're saying. I'm a 3D animator currently working at a AAA gaming studio and there have been plenty of programs and new tech that has come out since I started almost a decade ago (which feels crazy to say...). When Motion capture started becoming more and more advanced there were plenty of people who panicked about the artists that specialized in keyframe animation being obsolete within a short span. The reality a few years later is that there's still a plethora of jobs out there for keyframe artists; from monsters that can't be easily replicated on motionbuilder rigs, to studios that want a stylized look that the hyper-realistic feel of mocap just doesn't work with, to even keyframing on top of motion-capture data itself. We recently got a motion capture set up ourselves and rather than animating less, it's allowed us to batch things that were tedious before and use the rest of our now free time to hit thing that were previously stretch goals. Now we've more than doubled our team size instead of shrinking.
There will always be new technology to make certain jobs less valuable, but by keeping an eye on the market and understanding your value as an artist AND a collaborator, I don't see the new trend of AI-ing everything being a completely detrimental thing. Before people ask there are also already AI influenced programs for 3D animation and rather than be scared of them I'm actually pretty excited to see where programs like "Cascadeur" can go and how I can implement them into my own workflow and keep growing as an artist.
Great points Taylor! Yeah I remember mocap coming on the scene and freaking everyone out. Animation is a good example where I could see the tech replacing 90% of the work... and still there could be 10x jobs for animators. Because what most people don't realise about games etc is that the animation systems are a major limitation of the creativity on tap. So many design decisions get made due to rigging and animation reuse needs! If we could create and rig anything easily and get help with the boring bits of animation I think people would be surprised how much better games and film would look... and how crazy we could make the designs.
The day we're not constrained to a single rig set per skeleton and can cross-pollinate full animation sets through an ai that has a built in understanding of muscle structure and weight, is the day we can really go all out on our cooler moments and the more fun parts of animation like exaggerated follow throughs and overlap in our silhouettes. I can't wait!
Motion cap is still somewhat contained in the pipeline. Ai does feel less contained to me personally. AI (assuming it gets even better and why won’t it) can create any image- from scratch, in seconds. It could be hyper realistic, or hyper stylized. It could be characters or props or environments. It could be concept generation or final images. It could be black and white or it could have a gorgeous color palette. It could be logos or extremely detailed illustrations. All sorts of skill sets that no one person has could potentially be mastered by the AI. All parts of the process from the beginning of image creation to the end could be done by AI in seconds. AI.. does feel like it’s intended to be a replacement to quite an extent. But as Tim puts it- it could be put to use as a replacement in favor of individuals and small teams to create bigger projects on their own. I don’t quite know how market saturation and inflation would work if everyone did that but that’s certainly one way of moving forward. But if it learns to give itself prompts based on what’s popular on the internet- it could maybe also be a self sufficient and unstoppable content generation farm that takes over the social media market too. Because arent people who are giving AI prompts just another data set that can be fed to the algorithm to teach it what we
like and don’t like? It feels sci fi and dramatic to say this stuff but so was the concept of AI creating appealing artwork at one point not too long ago. So I guess I honestly don’t know where any of this will go. *sigh*
I am also a professional, and i dont think you fully understand the scope of the tech that is rolling out right now, you are comparing apples to oranges or apples to thinking mechanical oranges that can do what we do vastly quicker and better then we do (for free) no comparison to old plug ins and "2007 era a.i." this new stuff is in a category humans have never encountered.
dude, the problem isn`t the technology, it`s the way those companies stole billions of images (which were copyrighted) to teach it`s AI systems. The theft has already happened it isn`t about to happen.
For sure. I think the ethics of these companies are very skynet. But not much point in crying over spilt milk I guess? Even without the training or with legal restrictions the tech will progress eventually. Still no evidence it will go anywhere or amount to anything. Some of the latest stuff looks better though.
@@TheDrawingCodex We can't lay down and accept our work being used for profit of corporations. If they want to "democratise" art they need to do it ethically.
It's like me photobashing works from other artists and saying it's mine ?
I don't see how this would fly if an individual did it.
For me, this process needs to be restarted from copyright free sources and the current AI needs to be abolished.
@@Vaddmaiar0Forneus Yeah I hope the legal side of it can be sorted out. I find it hard to understand how the images created with these software systems can be used commercially in the end. So much money is spent in the entertainment industry proving that ideas used to build the big expensive IPs are created in house, and not swiped. The legal side of making sure your ideas are actually protected and not open for law suits is huge. The precedent is obvious.
The utility really should be in helping artists to create their own work. I would love one of these things to help me do more of my work by training it. And retain the IP inherent in my style and process. I think ultimately this might be a better business case for the Skynet bros. But it opens up a lot of other ethical problems (replacing assistants with AI is the same problem)
@@TheDrawingCodex I just had the same conversation with a colleague. I'd love for this to be an offline software that I can feed my work into and it helps me with my creative endeavours. Hopefully that will be the route they take, but I seriously doubt it because that wouldn't be valued as highly as grabbing amazing artwork from the internet..
I don't know, but if we artists start becoming programmers and make programmers' lives harder? It will be interesting.
I don't think it's a revolution either. I think it's degradation.
Programmers are already doing that themselves. AI is the future, and Programmers are making AIs to do their jobs as well. No job is safe from AI, and programmers know that better than anyone else. But thats also why AI can be such a positive influence if it ever gets advanced enough.
@@eragon78
Maybe you're out of date? Are you not reading the official statements of the manufacturers of AI mixers? ( They are not artificial intelligence, they are mixers). They withdraw the current development of AI mixers because these mixers don't really paint, they steal the selections of artists and photographers from the Web and combine them into "new" images.
The accusations were of theft of intellectual property and the makers of the AI mixers apologized to the Art community.
So stop dreaming, you're fooling yourself.
Don't lie to yourself, AI is not the future. Programmers are not the future. This is a delusion. A false alarm. The world exists in its entirety and cannot exist divided.
Everyone in this world does their own thing. Programmers do not have the spirit of art. Unfortunately for them, they are more like bio-robots. And a race without spirit is doomed to oblivion.
This is how you don't appreciate the role of bees. But without bees, trees will die, and then people too.
Without artists, spirit, art, humanity doomed to misery and oblivion.
@@eragon78
Everything around you is some form of art.
Wherever you turn. The glowing billboards with chic inscriptions and beautiful photographs are made by artists. TV commershows are made by artists, websites, music, movies, games, everything.
You don't realize it, but that doesn't mean it's not that way.
Programmers simply convert this entire database into artificial, synthetic garbage and simply kill the spirit by turning the world into a spiritless mass of bio-garbage and plastic.
@@dark_king6512 Then those AI are stealing yea.
But that is DEFINITELY not how most AI art programs work. Or at least not the big ones.
The ones that are mixers are definitely just stealing art. The ones that are actual deep learning algorithms that dont have copies of the art in their database are NOT mixers and are genuinely producing new art, and a lot of the modern AI art softwares ARE doing this.
As for your second statement, its completely nonsense. The spirit isnt real, magic isnt real. Humans are just biological machines ourselves. Our brains arent special, its just a series of chemical reactions that interact in a specific way which causes emergent consciousness. There is no reason why this exact same thing cannot be replicated with a complicated enough AI. Of course we're no where near making an AI as complicated as the human brain which is why these things are always just approximations and arent generalist AIs, but the point is the Human brain isnt special. its just a machine that recognizes patterns and can use those patterns in creating things. There is no such thing as "Spirit" or "Soul".
Now obviously human art is still FAR better than AI art, and even if AI's do become capable of producing art far above human capabilities, its not like Human art has no place in the world or that artist arent important. Im not saying artist arent important. But Humans dont have a magical power that is impossible to reproduce.
And AI is the future, everything humans can do, eventually AI will also be able to do once its advanced enough. This is a GOOD thing for humanity, not a bad thing. This means human labor is no longer required, and this bullshit capitalist system can finally become obsolete as the whole concept of money wont be needed anymore when everything is automated. Humans will be free to do whatever they want and enjoy, and any necessary labor to run society can be managed entirely by Automation and AI. That is why AI is the future, because it eventually will displace EVERYONE, not just some of us. Then Humans no longer have to work for money to survive, we can just do stuff we enjoy. Plenty of humans will still enjoy to create art for the love of creating art, and their works will be appreciated for what they are. But they wont HAVE to create art in order to put food on the table, because AI will provide any necessary labor.
@@eragon78
I always find it funny when people are too sure they are right for something that they don't really know for sure they are right.
When we die we will see whether or not there is a spirit.
However, perhaps I should paraphrase.
I wasn't literally talking about spirit. But for a specific way, each brain approaches things.
Because you talk about brains. And I'm talking about brains. There is something specific that makes one person become a doctor, another a physicist, a third a mathematician, a fourth an astrophysicist, a fifth an artist, and so on. It's a brain thing. This is how the specific brain of the specific person works.
And not a random decision of the individual. Every brain has strengths and weaknesses. This is due to something specific.
Honestly, I don't know programmers---musicians. I don't want to offend anyone. But all the programmers I know are very boring people. So when I speak of spirit, or the lack of spirit, I mean this horrible mechanical approach of theirs to things.
When you go to a concert, you don't listen to the boring talk of programmers. You hear music, you experience an emotion. Honestly, the very idea of me going to an AI concert, like everyday life, shocked me. Machines should be given simple tasks, not to enter the territories of people, make music, art. What's the point, once you have a person doing a job, the second time you have a machine doing the same job? What is the value of this other than a person doing this loses his job, no one pays him?
You are actually talking, whether you realize it or not, about devaluing the human presence in the wild.
I have heard your position other times from other people.
So I'm familiar with it. She is not new to me.
But she is very superficial for me. I'm sorry.
And I think she's seriously ill-conceived.
So , a world governed only (or mainly) by programmers and AI?! Thanks, but NO thanks.
Such a world can only be created by one single thing---mighty economic pressure, but not naturally.
You are talking about utopia. How everything will be like in Heaven. This is a big conversation. A complicated topic. I won't spend too much time on it. But the world you describe has one major distinguishing feature for it to exist in the order you describe----low population.
A small number of societies rule a world supported by machines.
And btw, the main engine supporting the future development of artificial intelligence is the capitalist neo-liberal block.
p.s
On earth, at this stage, is no true artificial intelligence.
Do you remember the Russia-America race to reach the moon?
It's the same now. False start, but there's only smoke there.
In 50 years, you'll see, there won't be any artificial intelligence on earth yet. But at least I hope there is still a working civilization.
It's clear that you have nothing but good intentions, but the future really does seem fairly bleak for the working artist. The thing that makes the AI art revolution particularly pernicious is that anyone, not just artists; not just businesses, will have access to the sort of AI software that emulates and iterates upon already existing concepts to create new ones. It will get to a point where even getting a career off the ground as an artist (especially one who posts online), will be nigh impossible because any random schmuck can yoink your work and feed it to an AI, which will be able to perfectly emulate your style, and the style of any other artist in the market.
You talk about understanding how markets work, but the market incentive will always be to maximize the efficiency of output, and nobody will ever be able to keep up with something that doesn't eat, breathe, or sleep. And the scariest part is that it doesn't seem like it's too far down the pipeline. I couldn't possibly blame a young artist (Such as myself) for being totally nihilistic about the future of the craft.
And copyright laws will likely go down the drain. Sort of like a "They can't sue all of us lolol." situation.
I do, however, appreciate what you said about simply enjoying the act of creating, independent of monetary prospects. Ultra based.
It will spread to 3D, animation, music, heck even writing itself. I imagine a period ahead being flooded with all these new creations, seemingly unlimited and peerless. But what will that mean for us culturally, aside from the market situation?
I think your mostly right but one thing that the ai can't do well is have a personality to market with. Sure it can churn out amazing work 24/7 and try to flood the market but if it doesn't have anything more than just the cool looking stuff its the exact same thing that's happening to a lot of Hollywood movies where they just make a shitty forgettable movie. It's also a lot less impressive to say hey here's this ai art that took no effort vs. I struggled for years and here's my story. There's a lot of facets to the issue.
@@booleah6357 Right, but the problem is that we will arrive in an era where you straight up cannot tell the difference anymore. Someone could draw like 10 sample pictures, and allow an AI to emulate their work from that point forward, and if they were to say they draw all of it themselves, it would be really hard to prove they're lying. And I don't think it would really matter even if you did.
Sure, in a vacuum, AI can't really create anything that special, but the thing is: we are in anything but a vacuum when it comes to art in our culture.
The problem isn't that there will be no more human visual artists. Instead, the problem is that absolutely anyone, regardless of creativity or skill, can become a visual artist and claim artistic ownership over something that was generated by an AI, or even claim ownership over someone else's work because they can produce something that looks aesthetically identical.
Personality is only a boon if you have the work to stand out alongside it. Otherwise, if anybody can do what you do without lifting a finger, nobody, save for maybe other disgruntled visual artists, will really care. When you say its much less admirable to generate a piece using AI software, although I do agree personally, I think we're speaking from the perspective of people who love/respect the craft, and the people who partake in it. But the reality is that 90% of people don't really care about artistic 'legitimacy' or 'personality'. They just kinda want what they want when they want it, human costs be damned. And it only seems to be heading further in that direction.
@@Charles_Bro-son It has already spread on music at least.
ruclips.net/video/qgpccpiyYAU/видео.html
Musicians might still have less of an impact from AI, as the imago of the band is still important for many, as are live shows.
@@swiftpitty7045 Idk. Even if someone is lying they need to be able to back up those lies which can only take them so far. What do they do when people start asking for advice on how to draw? Or if they want lessons? Sure the person can try and fake it. People always will but that comes with limits that those with the practiced skill will have. The AI will also need something fed to it to copy the style in the first place so if they want a more nuanced setup they won't have that without making something first. Also your really underselling personality by a lot. Look at every terrible work of art that gets big and people love to hate just for the creators. Sonichu and the movie the room comes to mind. People don't read and watch those for how good they are.
What bothers me is that AI can make really good and detailed art which makes learning the skills to create something on that level feels disheartening and like a waste of time.
@lordvader3605 you think that is a good thing
@Lord Vader nah ai cant do shit on high levels. Profesional artists and independant artists will always make better products. Ai is just a tool for real artists, no artists wannabes
So what that a machine is better huh?
Forklifts have existed for decades and we still watch strongman competition
It's been more than 30 years since deep blue defeated the best chess player in history
And there's still world chess tournaments every year
Humans look for humans
We relate to human struggle, and look mimic their efforts, get inspired by them to challenge our own limits
That no machine can take away from humanity
@@z4ne695 >real artists
>ai
lmfaoooo
@@matheussanthiago9685 dude , chess is a competition.
When AI just started getting big I actually found it very cool. I would write there my general concept to get alternative ideas. But then I learned how the machine is trained and the shady way these companies operate and that left a very bad taste in my mouth. As someone who wants to be a concept artist I can definitely see the potential of this technology being a tool, but I refuse to use it until we figure out how to protect other artists work from being stolen.
Another thing I really dislike about AI art is that it feeds into people's need for instant gratification. There are so many people now who claim to be artists without ever putting in the work. It also exposed how little people care about us. Too much of the argument in support of AI comes off as very anti-artist and anti-human.
"Should have learned a real trade"
"Embrace it or die"
"All jobs will be lost to automation, why would yours be above that?!"
I saw all these statements in discussions. Nobody should lose their job to automation, artists aren't any different
Art in general will be the one field that will really survive AI and automation.
A painter will always be able to put oil on a canvas, a musician will be always able to perform live in a concert.
"Nobody should lose their job to automation"
How many hand made items do you actually own?
Look around you and see how many jobs have been lost, and consider paying 10 times for every single object/piece of furniture you own, not counting the Horse-drawn carriage's owner who was supposed to deliver that stuff to you :)
You find ai cool your stupid and lazy like the rest of ai artist
SOLID perspective on AI Art, dog! I instantly HATE it with a passion. Following various Instagram profiles, fooled to believe that they are all INSANELY UBER skilled in "AI" (I thought Adobe Illustrator) and Photoshop integrations - just to learn that it was all created with "typing" words in this "MidJourney." And, their profiles bio reads "ARTIST" and "DM for 'custom' commissions and prints." Total Insanity - Total BS! But, your video here - man, I'm telling you, you gave a great perspective - one of the best perspectives on RUclips regarding this disruption of AI Art. It's just another tool (INSANELY, UBER powerful tool) in the toolbox. Honestly, thanks for sharing it.
I'm on board with the fact now that it's inevitable A.I is here to stay. But my major concern is it's unethical usage by blatantly using other artists' work without any compensation to create something new.
There is AI that doesn’t trained on artist work, anyway it can learn and unlearn, some AI doesn’t need artist’s database to trained on and still more powerful than midjourney (not in public yet)
Music will be next and it seems to me that we'll have it even harder than you guys. I'm already thinking about this because there's already computer generated djent music and it only gets better. But better, really only means the same sound over and over again in music. Lucky though, I'm experimental, so I play with sounds that'll sound a lot different than most. Maybe it'll push people to start sounding different and bend the rules a little more like we did back in Jazz days. But I gotta admit, I use AI art, and I'm generating some backgrounds even now for anime art. My reasons is for a video to put my music over that I've studied for years worth of music theory, and I already paid two anime artists to do specific things for me that AI can't do, and another reason I'm using AI background art, is because money don't grow on trees. I've done what I can on my part, and world building really isn't my type of thing so I'm not too picky about it so it's not focused on that part. The art of the video and the music all put together has things that stand out and filler things that don't really stand out. But you'll have people that'll care about world building. Celtic music and epic theme scoring composers always need that type of stuff for example. And AI art won't be able to make their world how they want it, and seeing a couple of them, oh man, they care about the feeling of art and they appreciate it has they're some of the nicest people around. And sometimes bands already have a vision for their album cover that an AI can't do. AI has no feeling...yet at least lol. Unless our goal is to create a human made of metal, it's just a picture generator. But yes, I also agree that people buying AI generated art, or a person using an AI generator thinks their an artist, is absolute insanity. But hey, NFT culture exists. People will always buy stupid things. Anyway, I definitely don't think we'll be effected that bad, we might be a little and if we are, lets step it up.
You don't need AI to generate music, many bands are doing it fine for years with simple plagiarism.
Using a DAW, samples, tuning, eq matching and quantization you can easly steal any band sound or style using just a laptop.
Also, it's faster than any GPU :D
The music industry is way different and more established. One wrong move and you're in deep shit.
Spotify was a pain in the ass to get going, and knowing how these programs work, it's not going to be so easy to commercialise, if it's even possible.
Just take a look at the ridiculous lawsuits in that industry. It'd be the equivelant of someone suing you over painting something with the same composite as one of their paintings.
AI generated images unsettle me at a lizard brain level. The poorly made faces, and the way the entire thing just melts together with weird completely wrong and unnatural textures.
Dude, c'mon. Are you really following the ai art scene? Even if what you said was true, it would not be for too long
As an artists you will notice all the little mistakes in every ai art. Wrong porportions, weird eyes, wrong perspectiv, wrong placed textures etc…
@@WildVoltorb I saw a beautifully rendered anime super heroine made by Stable Diffusion the other day. Pitch perfect colors, dynamic edges and contrast. Reminded me of old-school splash images made by Loish and Artgerm during their heyday.
From the top up, the figure looked perfect, but when you scrolled down the image, the AI had added 2 additional, muscular arms and clavicles to her torso as if she were an alien centipede. If I zoomed in on her face, I noticed that her eyes were looking in two different directions and that the technicolor background of ghostly flowers and Grecian pillars looked like haunted spaghetti.
In short, @Dungo Frungus isnt wrong.
@@AironyAi The hands for example lol
That's obviously gonna change
What I don't understand is that the AI programs need art in order to learn how to create it. Don't the AI programmers need to get permission for the art that the AI uses for its algorthym?
No. That's basically the same concept as NFT's, and nobody, to this day, has really faced any major legal action for infringements where those are concerned. If something is digital, and is posted online somewhere, trying to convince a lawyer to run a lawsuit because someone downloaded a png off of twitter and threw it into their little toy would get you laughed out of the room.
AI art makes the entire concept of "intellectual property" meaningless. Its not about how 'well' AI creates art or how 'creative' it is, its about anyone being able to get what they want without paying a dime, art included.
@@swiftpitty7045 Everybody being able to make art for their ideas effortlessly for free seems like a good thing to me.
What’s tricky [and shitty] about this is that AI takes bits and pieces from various artworks from various artists and compiles them into a finished “AI-generated artwork”. So it’s very difficult for an artist to say “I drew that piece. It belongs to me”. AI could just as well extract just pixels from millions of artworks and compile them into a “masterpiece”. Nobody can prove that “this pixel belongs to me”
@@nikosp3156 it’s not really how it works. The dataset is used by the AI to learn concepts and abstractions from, but once the training is over, the AI does not have access to any of those images anymore, and it can not store them either, as you can’t store billions of images in 4GB. In other words, the AI doesn’t even use those images as references, it’s creating process is more akin to someone who draws by imagination, only based on previous knowledge.
the ai does not „learn“ it‘s copying and merging.
I say if the peaple wants to replace artist with AI, i think the artist we need to do the same, replace the writers and the musician with AI, and make our OWN BRAND WITH OUR ART. Make our own ilustrative books with no writters just uur art and AI.
I think AI will be used as enhancement for artist work (finishing drawing with detail for him, duplicating characters in different posses etc.). I see it as new tool for artist to speed up process, similar like CAM in engineering.
the market will shrink and eject a lot of lower level artists I'm afraid. Never in history we had so many artists actually working as artists and that time is over. I'm more worried about AI in military tech and gov honestly, what could go wrong XD
I went into this video a little skeptical but I'm impressed with how thought out this video is and your knowledge on economics and how it intertwines with art are astounding. I would also say much of the economic principles you've stated in the beginning of the video also apply to many other fields of work. I think one of the main variables is just the ratio of freelance(contract) work to salaried work. In any case, great video.
Hello Tim. You mention reading books about marketing and the business side of art, do you have any specific ones to recommend? I want to learn more about it but I have no idea where to start.
Great idea! I'll try to do some videos about that in the future. I'll have to think about which books to really recommend. My own knowledge base comes from so many different areas. I think one of the biggest problems today is that there is not a lot of basic advice or info on how business works. There are books on stock markets and self help... and how to be an entrepreneur etc etc. But what I often find is missing is just the basic stuff that helps people understand what they are doing when they get a job, and how that relates to the bigger picture. I'll see what I can do! Thanks for the suggestion!
Nice level-headed take on this. Thanks!
Yes, very true. But the second concern is oversaturation of what today is considered good or great art. It becomes easy to make great art than it is valued less
bit late but as a fresh concept artist (like 8 months into my career) this did a lot to help my anxiety and gave me a lot to think about
I guess you could sum it up as good artistry is always going to be necessary.
The industry isnt really the issue here, its the fact that AI relies on stealing other peoples arts, whilst having the potential to steal those same artist's jobs. These engines we are seeing are simply unethical, one interesting thing about these companies/orgs creating these engines is the level of respect they have for musicians due to copyright laws, but not having the same respect for visual artists. It's a double standard through and through, I generally agree with what your saying, but I feel if we sort of ignore this and not take control of our own industry (or be AS protective of our art as musicians are) AI can become exploited by companies, therefor exploiting the artists used to train these AI's in the first place. Not to mention the fact that many artists have not even given consent for their art to be used.
As a comicbook freelancer I can't help but wonder - are comicbook in danger of being replaced by AI? Because from what I see, AI can produce pretty pictures, but it's hard for it to get something specific I believe and it's hard for me to imagine it could (at least in the nearest future) produce a complex piece of storytelling with dynamic art like a comicbook. But still, seeing the overall anxiety among the artists I can't help but wonder and consider whether I should still be focused on comicbook art or maybe just move on to something (at least a bit) safer, like 3d animation.
Don't give up bro. Keep making your comics and keep practicing art. You are going to be really satisfied when you finish your work.
@@doomzier love your attitude man. Keep working towards your goals 💪
There is already AI generated comics, manga, & 3D
@@happyvibes2048 and those are terrible and uncanny as fuck
They can't seem to do action (or sex) very well.
ai has to be forced to post what image sources it has used
Great video, it's very helpful to someone like me who is still studing fundamentals and was sad with the Ai revolution. Thank you for your great tips, Tim!
Keep studing we can fight Ai, they dont have to replace us
You're still screwed.
The first positive-thinking video with a solid argumentation. Good job, I needed that.
You are very good at saying extremely vague and unhelpful points.
I heard what you just said millions of time, but little to no practical guidance on how to "market" yourself.
this is on freaking replay
people dont realize that ai tech raises the entry level for future artists. we’re gonna have less robert valleys, akira toriyamas, hr giger, matt groenings, etc. but who cares when ai can make 1000 stranger thing episodes in a second, so we can consume infinitely and do nothing but tend and clean the wires and screens that power these ais lmao 🤗🙃
It does raise the level. But I still think we will have those artists in the future. The level has been climbing for the last 20 years in a really serious way. Due to readily available teaching and resurgence of good representational art education mostly.
Totally agree with your sentiment about formulaic production though!
My main concern is the industry changing the 'type' of person they employ...
I have always been a visual learner, and I'm employed as an artist because of it. The AI work appears to, or at least is at the moment, to be quite technical if you want a very specific render, for the language models skills like literacy and maybe even maths (code?) can come to use. I'm a dyslexic with ADHD, and the working memory of a fish, a very good eye for what looks good visually but it stops there... I don't think my skill in AI will be good enough to stand out when pitched against other types of learners. I'm hoping as time goes on AI will work itself into the traditional workflow more fluidly. It is in it's nature after all, to make things increasingly easier for everyone : /
AI is getting creepier and creepier by the year. It's getting depressing.
Hi Tim. I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your sober and nuanced perspective on this topic. You are a breath of fresh air. I'd be very curious to see you have a back-and-forth with artists that hold more doom-and-gloom views on this topic, especially as these tools are becoming more and more prominent and powerful. Is that a format you'd ever be interested in trying out?
Yours is the voice I was looking for on this subject. Great perspective!
Hello Tim, can you talk about the indecision when choosing a path ? Like if one likes drawing in general how does he commit to a specific craft like concept/comics/illustration
That's a good idea for a video :) My advice is to try and look closely at what the day to day life of people in those specific roles looks like. Often the things that will make you suitable for a particular craft are connected to your personality... how much patience do you have... how much attention to detail do you have... How much do you like working with others vs working alone... Is story important to you... is creative control important to you. Some of these might seem obvious but everyone is different... other people will view those very differently.
For instance I'm not very good at rendering and adding a lot of detail... I prefer to work alone by myself... Story is important to me... creative control is important to me... So comics are a good fit :) Other people really want to work in a team. Some people don't care about story... some people want to spend weeks on a single painting... some people cannot handle the constant change and revision that comes with concept art.
But it is really hard to figure this out until you try it. Many people take a few goes to really figure out what they like. If you work on your foundation it will give you a bit of flexibility to try different things. (not over a one year period... but rather over 10 or 15 years of experimentation). Also keep in mind that experience in different disciplines will help you to be unique once you do find the thing you really love. So not all time is wasted time. As long as you are constantly trying to improve and get better at what you are working on... it will all help in the end (or at least I have found this to be the case)
Let me know if that helps any!
@@TheDrawingCodex thank you for the help it does clear my mind alot ty
That's a terrible outlook.
Suggesting that you can just go, "Hey Siri! Turn this into a 3D model!" or "Hey Siri! Colour this comic for me!" is exactly the sort of thing that devalues legitimate work.
And let's not forget - those datasets that AI uses to pump out quality images are generated using real work from real artists, scraped without their permission, consent or even knowledge. Because let's be real: What artist would actually give consent for a software company to use their work to make something that would render their jobs obsolete? That's like saying, "Please take away my income and livelihood because I don't want to make money from the skills that I've spent years honing!"
The whole reason why Stable Diffusion and MidJourney exists was built on a lie. They claimed they were collecting data for research and educational purposes, no for commercial profit. Then, once they had the data, they did the corporate equivalent of "JK LOL fooled you idiot" and turned it into a commercial venture, because that's what their financial backers had wanted all along. They got rich, artists got screwed, and now clueless twats such as yourself are optimistically looking for the silver lining as the rug's being pulled out from under thousands of other artists every day.
And as for increasing the speed of development for video games, we've already seen what that looks like with entire asset packages being rebranded and resold for profit. The games industry has been teetering on the edge of collapse for years. What makes you think that giving control of the means of development to a robot won't make it die faster?
It's time to stop giving AI and especially the companies that make and run it the benefit of the doubt. They can't be trusted to treat us fairly because its not in their interests to be fair to us. Give them an inch and they'll take your life's work.
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It's refreshing to find a video with a perspective that is calm, reasonable and based on an extensive experience, instead of crying wolf. I enjoyed your video a lot, new subscriber here and keep up the good work!
Thanks! I’m glad you liked this take :-)
thank you for this vid! for some reason one of my teachers keeps going on and on about how its going to be too difficult to compete with ai and that we're going to be jobless soon etc etc and it really makes me and my classmates feel discouraged
Yeah I have found Art Teachers (or teachers in general) can be a mixed bag with career advice. Many of them have chosen to take a teaching role (in most cases very much a Job style role) in place of embracing the marketplace and understanding how to make money in it themselves. There is a tendency to doom and gloom the idea of an art career... even in art teachers.
Focus on learning to draw and make art. The real challenge is that the art industry is very competitive. You need to work a lot to get your work to a professional level and find a place you enjoy working. I honestly feel that most of the AI and other doom and gloom career FUD revolves around people not wanting to focus on the task at hand... get good at art. They spend a lot of time not drawing... not making art... and these distractions make them feel better about their skillset.
Most teachers at schools and most youtubers are barely past graduate level with their art (from my experience teaching at University/College level over the last 10 years and then comparing graduates folios (from good art schools) to people running youtube channels and giving career advice...) The level of craft people are achieving really quickly because of the internet means that the graduate level is a lot higher than it was 10 or 15 years ago. And it keeps getting better every year. Make sure you are taking advice from people who are actually doing what you want to do, and have a folio to back it up!
Eye on the ball! You can do it! :)
No offence but your teacher sounds bad at their job if they're going out of their way to discourage their students from learning
Way better to feel discouraged now than to spend the next fifteen years training and suddenly have the rug pulled out from underneath you.
well, i think there might be 2 ways this can go, either it becomes its own entity alongside painting and drawing or possibly something that can aid in the process.
or it can completely automate the entire art industry with little need for artists to draw anything.
but in either cases drawing and painting itself will still be around i think because people still like doing it and there might be a market for somethings possibly, but probably it's gonna be mostly a hobby thing.
take knitting for example, not many people go and buy handknitted sweaters but that don't mean there isn't people sitting and knitting sweaters for their own enjoyment or find people that want to buy them.
i think we're in such a weird spot where everything is possible yet improbable, like you can do anything but you won't necessarily be able to live off it but it don't mean you can't, as long as you find a market for what you are doing you will have buyers.
what i think is more interesting with this whole automation thing is how close we are to the idea of having a job is obsolete were we are free to live as we please without working.
I think we need to get the average person aka the “normie” to see how this affects them. The masses fear dystopian things when they’re actually aware of how dystopian it could be. Like the Metaverse. Or Google Glass. Or social ratings. Black Mirror would have been a great help for that mass storytelling, but the next best thing we could do is start making art about a world without artists. Companies might not care, but if we can generate enough negative stigma around what’s happening, we would at least have the public on our side. “The public doesn’t care” but we’re artists for crying out loud. Art has always been the way to get the public to care for pretty much any issue. Show them what they can’t see. Make them feel it. That’s what we do. Why are we not doing what we do best the one time it matters the most?!
that's an amazing idea
Everything comes down to storytelling. If artists can craft a collective story that taints the idea of AI as Art it will take everything down for sure. But so far no one has listened to any of the dystopian fiction. Or at least the majority seem to think that despite the signs...it will never actually happen to them. Remember companies are made of people... and ultimately the decision is made by consumers in a capitalistic system. The fact that it is called 'Art' is GREAT storytelling by the people making this software to sell into a capitalistic system. And so far people are buying into that hook line and sinker. I can't create a video on it without saying AI ART because that's what people search for ;) Thus the dystopia of algorithmic (AI) information distribution is coming to fruition as well. The words define our reality.
Very motivating! You had my attention the whole time. Glad to gave found this, might have been just what I needed!
I like the way you framed the potential of ai and humanity's relationship with jobs and automation. However, I feel that the way ai numerically categorizes and simplifies creative content is contradictory to creativity. Creativity to me is a very fluid concept, whereas artificial intelligence is far more rigid. Ai is limited by the nature of its existence, and I just don't see it replacing actual creative jobs. I understand that this video's summary was "broaden your skillset and use automation to enhance your work". I'm not arguing against that, just adding to it.
Yeah I agree with what you are saying here for sure. One of the interesting things to note is that most of the work being done is by engineering types. If you listen to someone like John Carmack talk about his ventures into AI and how fast he thinks it will happen... he seems to view everything in very computational terms. I suspect it is rooms full of people like this who are building the tech. They WANT to think that everything is logical and only comes down to code, because that's how they like to think about the world. The real danger these systems face is design by people with a very limited view of life... and product testing and development by a horde of not very creative artists (in the majority) trying to make pictures with AI because they haven't mastered their own creativity or craft. I don't think it's a good crucible for success. But you never know! :) Thanks for your thoughts!
AI art lets end creativity. "Lawyers hold my beer this art looks like copyright infringement time for a million-dollar lawsuit." Never take a job away from a lawyer.
Seriously, these companies openly admitting to mine private datasets without consent for comercial usage
Is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen, followed by regulations
We seen in past years that big tech is not beyond jurisdiction, tesla, apple, meta and alphabet are being fine in hundreds of millions of dollars worldwide and obliged to operate under regulation
We have just stop pretending that Tech is beyond the reach of the law
And honestly it were about time
Awesome stuff Tim! I'm wondering if you'd have any opinions on the idea that when things (tools) are more difficult, the stuff produced with them has a more soulful/timeless quality or is that kinda not really true? I just have a feeling that the easier things become, the more likely that the things made on them wont really have been worth making.
Haha, oh man i feel like that's a landmine for me to step on and prove I'm a wistful old geezer in love with the past... when everything was golden and perfect :)
But yeah ok... I think the interesting thing is that when I look on my feeds around the place the artists who are already good at art and comfortably employed create the most interesting AI art. A lot of it comes down to what you learn as you build the craft... developing your eye. Making good choices. etc etc. As you know many people want to think using tools will be easy, but when they try to tangle with something like 3D as a blockout for a painting... or using Daz 3D for figures... you find that if you are not skilled enough the tool the tool ends up using you... not the other way around.
When the tool uses you...the results are better than you could have made without the tool... better than the average person can make... but still rubbish. And lacking all charm and uniqueness that might otherwise have saved your piece from being a pathetic dumpster fire of failure, unworthy of any attention or admiration.
*BOOM*
D:
AIs just "learn" to do their thing by copying a combination of previous, human-made art. Even in the worst case scenario in which AI completely eliminates artists, its creations would become repetitive and uninspired in a matter of decades, as it wouldn't have any new human artist to take ideas from, being forced to recicle the same sources again and again, getting stagnated.
This is the best take I’ve heard. Thanks!
Great perspective! It is easy to get discouraged by the initial flood of panic that AI art caused. Technology moves at such a quick pace that it can take us time to catch up with the full implications. I also find it interesting that market forces have already responded to AI art with the creation of image 'cloaks' that prevent AI programs from being able analyze an artist's work for it's learning algorithm. If enough people employ this, then AI art will only be able to create within the constraints of what it has already assimilated. Of course, if human companies using AI art instead of work done by human creators, the same problem would eventually arise of there is no more new material for the program to feed off of. Then all the images start looking the same.
Thank you for this so relevant point of view! I think you're totally right about it, and we (people like me in the Music world) are seeing this coming and you (guys in the visual world) help us to think about new ways to survive as artists. Thanks again! cheers!
Really appreciate this take. Do you have any books you'd recommend for learning more about business sales/marketing? I've been wanting to get out of the client world for a while. AI seems to be pushing us all over that edge whether we're ready for it or not. At the end of the day, I'm definitely more interested in making my own opportunities than begging for them.
Yeah I want to make some videos on this. I have read so many random books on business and marketing so is hard for me to know what to recommend exactly. I’ll try to come up with some simple recommendations.
@@TheDrawingCodex I look forward to your recommendations.
May I ask, is your course suitable for beginners (still do not know basic drawing)? Thank you 🙏
Hey Pisey! The Line and Color Academy does not have a lot of basic how to draw info so might not be the best fit if you are trying to figure out the basics. I plan to make some more foundational how to draw courses in the future. Line and Color Academy is focused on the process that goes into the line and color style. It has a lot of advice for how to build an art ritual and stage your development. But not a lot of exercises for beginner drawing. The videos on my channel here are probably better for learning the basics right now.
@@TheDrawingCodex Thank you for your response. I’ll waiting for your basic courses.
could you explain more how someone can get more information about the art industry, what´s your process in finding projects you can work for?
THANK YOU! There is so much doom and gloom around this topic, that everyone seems to be overlooking the benefits. Yes, AI art is making art easier, and I genuinely sympathize with the people who have spent years mastering their craft only see that a computer can do certain things better than they can. It does suck, but things being made easier does not mean creativity dies and everyone loses their job; it merely opens the door to new and different possibilities and forms of expression.
As for the deeper philosophical questions about meaning of life stuff that seems to be coming quite a bit around this topic, I really don't think this is anything new. Wealthy people have struggled with finding meaning and purpose in life for all of time. The difference today is everyone in Western democracies is wealthy (relatively speaking), and has more time on their hands to think about this kind of stuff. Its definitely a problem, but I think that's something every individual needs to figure out for themself.
Also, yes, the way these companies are using the work of artists without their consent is wrong and legal action should be taken, however, this won't make the technology go away. What is happening right now in the art world is inevitable, though I really do believe that artistic skills are still going to be needed for a long time. The specifics of those skills may change a little, but people are still going to be needed.
Anyways, again, great video!
Congrats! the most objective perspective regarding AI I´ve seen.
Thank you for your professionalism and input... I'm a Graphic Designer/Photographer who creates Composite Photography. I just recently started working with AI to help Enhance my work (not recreate it). I see a lot of people freaking out saying AI steals artists art in a click of a button, and I seriously have to giggle because I've literally have been using technology for over 30 years as it's changed time and time again.. and those who freak out the most are people who use Photoshop or even apps like Canva where the stock images they use aren't their art in the first place. 😂 It's like Coolio getting mad at Weird AL for doing a Parody with Gangsters Paradise when in fact he stole the music from Stevie Wonder's song Pastime Paradise... I feel if you're creative and innovative enough, you can create art with AI responsibly and possibly make a career with it ❤
Absolutely. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I feel that the technology and the legal/ethical side of it are best left separate. Once the utility is proven, they will find a way to make it legal and ethical (in the same way stock footage and concept artists stealing photos off the internet is ethical...). Then we are right back where we started...for better or worse. It's not the best hill to die on. The issue of ethical re-use and artists being exploited over the years is a much much bigger issue that has very little to do with AI.
It is and will be pretty much a revolution like first printing press was in the 15th century. Of course typography took away some practical jobs former calligraphers had. The same way later photography will substitute most work some portrait painter had. BUT, this technologial revolutions always mean also, that power is tranfered and access and possibilities are democratized. Overall Literacy, very limited in medieval ages, skyrocketed with the invention of typography and easier affordability of books.
Both, calligraphy as well as portrait painting still has its place in the world. As it is a very strong message to handwrite or even use calligraphy to communicate a message. The intimacy and everything. Traditional techniques will not disparear entireley but become socially transformed.
Hey Tim, I love your channel and your takes in General... BUT I think you're naïve in thinking that AI won't just "Skill up" and take those less heavy production jobs, all those concept generative ideas that become possible to smaller teams because the distribution side of things became easier because the middle men dried up... What makes you think the concept generative side of things wont become automated too. I don't think you realize but AI is training to generate Ideas too by... Guess who?
Everyone prompting the AI to generate Images, in other words its acquiring the taste/s of our collective consciousness... and WE are training it just to emphasize again. I suggest you watch Steven Zapata's Essay on AI, He puts it best because what you none of us expected putting our images on the internet was that it would be used to replace us by AI. Would you still upload images to the internet knowing in the past knowing that this was going to happen in the future? I wonder what this foresight would have been like in the past.
While I understand the optimism in it being able to provide the ability to create art, providing an ability to those unable circumvent the huge skill ceiling in order to create great visual art for what ever reason, you're missing the sacrificial component to art which what makes it have meaning in the first place. I'm sorry to those unable to do art but must I emphasize again... ANYTHING great usually has some degree of sacrifice and I'm sorry but if you are unwilling to learn how to draw then don't be upset you cannot create the comic you want or the grand ideas you cant sketch to come out. Maybe you're older when you decided you wanted to do art... at some point or another you're at fault for not taking up the craft. Why must all of us who have and are showing dedication to the craft need to be nerfed to buff those who haven't payed the price of greatness?
You can apply this thinking to a lot of human feats, like soccer for example, I grew up playing the sport and became kind of proficient at it, so when I go to a futsal court, I can make friends quite easily because we are more or less the same skill level... BECAUSE we intuitively understand the game on a deeper level, so it almost becomes a language when we play with each other and then we will watch someone like Messi and decide we should just sit down and watch because what he's doing seems almost impossible. Why? because we have context to it from the beginning. Might as well quit playing professional sports and let AI Robots battle each other trying to kick a ball into the back of the net instead.
How many of us will watch an AI Draw like Kim Jung Gi on some type of screen and How many will watch Kim Jung Gi Plaster a wall with Amazing Line Art? I know it seems obvious when I spell it out but It ceases to become special if we're all able to do it.
I don't know what it will be but if we continue down this path, something else will have to replace the price of "sacrifice" we need to pay in order to achieve great things and I feel certain it won't be coming from typing nice prompts better than the next guy because what isn't going away is our need our need for greatness, it's going to manifest in someway shape or form AI or none.
Thanks for this. It is nice to finally see someone looking at this, not necessarily as a full positive, but as a motivator for artists to take advantage of all of the resources available to us today to "do our own thing". There are so many opportunities available, but you have to be willing to do the work required to take advantage of them. Just because we have technology doesn't mean it requires less work on our part to be successful.
Man, I’m so happy that my art goal is to make a miniature war game.
except that an AI will be able to do 1000000 products in the same amount of time you'll do one, and so it will be harder to promot your work amidst all this. Especially since the platforms or ways to sell/promote will be ruled by those AI compagnies. I undestand that you talk about shifting the markets, but since the AI would be able to floud it, and since the AI compagnie will most certainly controle said markets ( or ways to access it ), it may seems a bit more difficult than that
And those 1000 products will be a bunch of trash compared to artists that put a lot of creative thought and process on their work. I’m not just talking about fence detailed illustrations. Narrative, artistic choice, cohesive panels, references etc.
People will naturally look for the products that they will fill connected to, and only an artist (or team of artists) who mastered the creative process and are well versed in communicating through his/their work will be able to do that and shine in the entertainment market.
To use a human made piece of creative media as analogy
Take the scene where SpongeBob makes one crustycrab in the same time that king neptune mass produces hundreds
But the one crustycrab SpongeBob did was so much tastier that it made neptune eat it twice
Anything that is in infinite offer, have lower value
We don't fill stadiums to watch e-sports of bot vs bot
Alright, I just left a coment on your video on from 2 months ago on AI. Just wanna say that understanding your outlook on how to take advantage of the market for opportunities as an artist made all the difference to understand where you're comming from. I think you have a very good outlook on how things might, I just personally have a hard time being optimistic due to my own personal nature.
Good video, full of genuinely good advice.
Awesome thanks for your thoughts! I'm glad this one was a bit more helpful. I think it's easy to be put off by these new technologies for sure. Best of luck!!
Good all-around video. The problem is our data is being laundered ad nauseum - case in point the AI tools that seem to care about ensuring copyright music is out of their training data versus the ones that are art-based image AI that pretty much took whatever they want from artists and used it in their training data because they aren’t worried about stealing it (e.g. setting themselves as non-profit / open source fronts with special protections, only large companies with specific art will litigate). This is a huge problem for artists, which has no solution in sight. Then again, AI has such broad impact to society that I’d imagine the voter base will congeal around some of these issues (then again AI is already trying to control narratives around that since about 2015).
Agreed! Although as I pointed out elsewhere… The issue with music is mostly that the music is owned by large companies. Who are very litigious. The actual artists in the music industry get abused way worse than most visual artists.
I think the best way to fight back with all this stuff is to control the narrative. I think as soon as this behaviour is described and advertised as it actually is… Stealing. then the narrative will change and maybe people view it differently.
Hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they’ve actually trained all the systems though…
This is all just the tip of the iceberg with AI and trying to replace people via automation though…
As a musician and a producer I don't really see the point in generating AI music.
On one side, music production has become very simple and cheap, on the other the consumer will always want to see his favourite artist live in a concert.
AI music is possible, but it's pointless.
@@ChristianIce exactly, the way I see the whole debacle with "creative AI" is that tech bros are (again) trying to solve a problem that does not exist
In a world where fields like medical research and material engineering could be seeing exponential aid from AI systems, they instead went on to create a way to replace the human artist
Fixing exactly zero problems, and raising a whole slew of new ones
Solid video. Mentions are meant for finds like this. Great insights, concise, inspiring and relatable. Congratulations.
Revolution? More like cataclysm.
In the future, art does not get replaced by AI. In the future, AI assists manual workflow, solely automatic AI is random, highly interpolative and crude. Humans who enjoy art like control over their experiences to their preferences, simple commands don't help this, especially since discovery through experiential work needs to happen before we make even the most subtle preferences in the first place. That said, money will be replaced in the future, so the economic incentives to kick at creatives and to get ahead is more the result of the social-validation and capitalistic driven era. Experiential creativity is the core of human being and will be for a very long time, while solely intellectual consumerism is a onslaught between the self-entitlement egos of both freeloading consumer and hard-working labourer.
A.i needs a new file type! Or forced watermarks with the A.I programs to prevent people from selling them as labor projects
Forced watermarks are pointless with the existence of photoshop though. Would make more sense to have every AI generated creation published by the AI itself so you can look up if someone used AI if you're gonna go that route. Personally, I think it makes more sense for the AI to be forced to show the dataset it used though. I'm interested to know how close to the originals it actually is.
Look what digital art or 3D CAD and CGI did to traditional 2D art.
I'm an artist, but I'm also a technologist. The problem with being a technologist as a living, is that you have to gut your entire skillset every five years or so. There's always something new coming out, a programming language that's changed, a new tool for better or ill that corporations want to pay you to use. The pace of change is constant, and so is the need for continuous education. I understand this. I'm okay with it. I've seen what happens to people who shake their fists at the sky, and swear their life long allegiances to dying programming languages. They get relegated to jobs, where the stakeholders aren't responsible enough to stay with the times... and these places are... problematic? I think I can say that without offending anyone. Anyway, that's if they can find jobs doing this stuff at all. Like when Microsoft switched off VB6 for .Net. It was an utter bloodbath.
Also, speaking of. VB is a really good case study of tools that made coding simple, aimed at letting your grampa make apps, that nobody who wasn't already making apps actually wanted. Coders liked it because they got to write less code, and because of the organizational structure of it. It was a productivity tool, rather than the existential threat it wanted to represent. I think that's analogous to what's going on with ai's. Your grandparents aren't going to understand this stuff, or want to use it. Corpos will hire experts. People who want this stuff are generally already artists to begin with, and the world goes on as it has always gone on.
My first tech job was working in a print shop and using Quark Express and Photoshop. It didn't pay well. I made like twelve dollars an hour, which back then, I thought was pretty good for a highschool kid. Now, what I didn't know at the time was that this very print shop had laid off an entire team of print artists and typesetters. And I learned that when those very same guys started throwing garbage at me when I tried to go to work. This was a thing. The local news ran a story on it. But I wasn't the only person this kind of thing happened to.
Today, I make a lot of 3d art. A lot of character stuff. A lot of interactive environmentally stuff. Stable Diffusion, ICON, and Headshot are the main Ai's that I use, and what I can tell you as someone who's honestly explored the technology, is that it hasn't really changed the work I do. It hasn't changed my art style. It hasn't substantively changed me as an artist, or the decisions I make. But what it has done is up my productivity to levels I couldn't have even imagined a year ago. Projects that would have taken me weeks are now doable in a day. And this is great, because it means I can take more work, and sell more product. None of this is a bad thing.
The other cool thing about ai tools, is that they'll do a lot of things I just don't like doing as an artist. When I was a teenager, I wanted to draw comics, but I hated, and still hate drawing backgrounds, or doing hatching. If I were to do the same thing today, I would use Stable Diffusion to that for me, and who knows, right? Might have made it as a comics artist. Lol, not in this universe, but oh well. Ai's give you as much or as little control over the process as you want. They make finishing art faster, and create new possibilities for visualization that were so wildly impractical by hand that they might as well have been impossible.
I find the reaction of certain people in the art community absolutely befuddling. I don't understand why people are scared of this. There has NEVER been a more exciting time, at least in my lifetime to be making art.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!! Everything you say here totally tracks with me. I’ve been around these technological revolutions for awhile. When I first started studying… It was just at the end of the paste up era when quark express and page layout programs were starting to come on board. I’ve seen the digital art revolution. The photo bashing revolution . The 3D revolution . Things like Diaz 3-D and older programs that create environments and worlds and characters easily.
The bottom line is that there is no point stepping in front of this train. Like you say it’s pointless to shake your fist at the gods. The technology moves on whether people like it or not.
It’s possible to market yourself in opposition to these technological revolutions. Branding yourself as traditional, or boutique, etc etc. But complaining about it has never done any good from my experience.
Everyone right now is benefiting from technological revolutions that wiped out entire industries and jobs and made people‘s lives an absolute nightmare. It’s just the story of humankind. The story of evolution… that’s why I keep making these videos :-) but the negative response seems surprisingly strong!!
Bottom line for me… Is to keep drawing. keep working on foundation and do you things that AI can’t. Or lean into it and use it much as you can.
Thanks for sharing these helpful thoughts Tim. It seems like there is one thing that AI may not be able to reproduce, and that is intention. Even with the latest wave of AI image generators, humans supply the intention (key words). This is even more true in story-telling, the arc of the story seems like it would be very hard to reproduce in AI, and also the evaluation of the suitability of the images to the arc of the story would be very hard for AI to perform.
For sure! Honestly, I think that intent is one of the things that has been missing from lot of “art“ lately. One of the things that AI could do… Is make people realise that just kind of creating things is not as important as creating things that have value and emotional significance and human intent… art that is going to influence other people in a positive or really important way. Everyone is really excited about the current crop of artificial intelligence… But I think once that shine has worn off everyone will get really really bored with what it’s doing. Perhaps they can overcome this, but perhaps not? I think that linking up the art and the intent and story and all of these things that people actually care about is immensely difficult. It’s also something that people developing AI are very poorly positioned to implement. They tend to be engineering focused from a mental/spiritual point of view. It will be really interesting to see :-)
The problem is these tech bros and the trolls that worship them don’t care about any of the ethical and moral issues with what they’re doing. They only care about making a quick buck, even if it’s off the work of others. Capitalists are always looking to exploit whoever and whatever they can.
One thing that’s becoming apparent with this AI garbage they’re calling “art” is that it all looks the same. It looks like what you’d find on those tacky t-shirts from Walmart with animals and pink skies. I hope this fad goes the way of NFT’s. One bad grift that won’t stick after the novelty wears off
Yeah I don’t disagree! The elephant in the room is that the output is not good at all. The irony is that the only good AI imagery I have seen has been done by Artists I already admire… This doesn’t make any sense at all to me… But there you go. I think it means that the answers that people are seeking through these tools are gonna be a lot harder to find than they think
I would just like to clarify that the idea of replacing illustrators and digital artists is not the main concern of AI art. The biggest concern right now is the strength of copyright laws. To put it simply, your tube of toothpaste that you drew AND others took photos of is being use din a commercial product that was monetized without any concern for licensing or royalties. Just because something is uploaded online does not make it fair use, you do not instantly waive your right to ownership, sorry to burst the Ai Bro's bubbles. We may not have much case law that is relevant to artificial intelligence imaging, but we have hundreds of years worth on fair trade, fair use, and copyright. Which coincidentally, Ai artists do not officially own anything they create, nor does the software company, regardless of what terms of services may imply. The US Copyright Office does not officially recognize Ai art as an example of human authorship. Not even enough to issue a soft copyright of ownership, at least not until legislated to do otherwise.
Thanks for your input. Totally agree.
At some point there will be ai that can do better stuff without a using a strip mine style data set though. This current crop is legally and ethically problematic. And also useless for real work… I don’t feel it will be the killer app. But a decent sign of what is to come in the future.
Good thought, thanks. Those comments are also on fire, gonna read them later. I also think we will have less and less people who actually know how to draw and creativity will also diminish with more people relying on ai. This kinda makes me sad, although I think thats just my sad thoughts and not true. What makes me upset a bit is that people are over-reliant on external instruments more and more, first in simple physical means, and now in the realm of the mind. I see it as not very good thing. If everyone gets to be equally creative (insert rainbow creativity meme picture) and with that also reliant on external predetermined instruments, we end up in a sea of un-interesting garbage content (which is happening already). (And especially in AAA-game and film industry)
All this technology is real inspiring and empowering in short term, but probably not very good in long term. But that are just my assumptions and not 100% sure about it. Kinda dark side of things.
On the brighter side of things we get to make our own stuff, be a part of smaller communities and make our own.
Which leads me to ask you Tim to think about making your own discord server:) would be cool.
Stock photography and video are probably going to be affected first before artists by AI.
AI will not take the place of real artist. The idea is insane. Real art is more valuable than computerized art.
You are right about a lot of things but you are missing a point. When creating becomes that easy and readily available to everyone why would anyone be interested in what you are making instead of indulging themselves with their own imagination. You are speaking about "selling your ideas" but how can you sell any idea when nobody is interested in buying it. The AI is probably going to bloat and saturate the market so much so, that nobody will care about what somene else makes. The main threat is not about it replacing entry level jobs, that is the immediate threat. The main threat is the long term value loss of art in general due to over abundance.
you voiced my thoughts. if that's so easy to create something for everybody then who are you going to sell your bright ideas\stories? who is the audience if people get access to the hours and decades of your hard work just prompting your name next to their fantasies? why do they need you as a link? consistent ideas and solid stories that are interesting for most people are about the writers, and not average writers but a very good ones, not the visual artists(mostly). haven't seen an artist that works in the industry of visual arts and as a hobby creates stories and plots like Tolkien haha. and the amount of thoughts and ideas that artist CAN put in their images is easily stolen by prompting your name and training AI on your stuff again. AI is a replacement, not a tool (for the current state of laws).
Meh.
AI art is just the new toy, today everybody wants to play with it, generating his Davinci thing, making a funny avatar or putting his cat in space.
THe same happened with Deepfakes.
It was big for a couple of years, now only few are actually using it.
Sure, tomorrow a Death Metal band will make his CD cover using AI instead of paying a digital artist, but "innovations" is something AI is not capable of, in a very technical sense, it can only reproduce and mix up what was already done.
Now, if I was a doctor knowing that in the near future an AI will just collect analysis and radiographies and make a better diagnosis, I'd be actually worried :)
Ok.
Thank you! I just can’t really relate to the people that keep acting as if it’s the end for artists. These things cannot create anything new, and that’s what only an artist can do.
I think the future looks something like this: artist trains, learns various skills, gets an AI, uses all skills/projects/artwork to train said AI.
Use AI to produce projects [for commerce], and continue drawing to continue training said AI. and I think other industries will also look like this.
I agree 100%. I think this is a really likely way it will go. And I also think it will be great for artists, and creativity in general.
I think it’s better to view the current crop of AI generative art as a tool for non-artists and people who will never and would never be able to muster the skill and dedication to develop their craft. I think this is actually not the worst thing. It allows them to be creative and do their thing. I think the problem is when they consider themselves to be “Artists“ it’s the tool that is being the “Artist“ not them. But it does give them an outlet. Which I think is important…
I think it’s unacceptable and unethical to use the large data sets to achieve this goal however. Hopefully they can find a better way to do this in the future and avoid the plagiarism that is going on right now.
awesome video, really like your point about trying to make your own path rather than just focusing only on jobs
I don't think AI will really change the ratio of independent entrepreneurs vs company jobbers. Successfully running your own business (and having the desire for such an adventure) is more of a fixed personality thing to me. But I do agree with a lot of your insights. I work in games and my impression having used AI a fair bit in the process now is that it really will allow hands on folks who are creative (and not just production drones) to simply be able to make tsunamis of influential material to drive and steer a company. I think it has the potential to fix a lot of the typical problems with top down multi department dynamics. Production artists (again, who are creative) are now far more empowered to simply push through their own ideas before all the pie charts, directorial diatribes and decision indecision of their leads kick in.
I was quite enjoying this talk, getting some historical context and learning about markets and how AI might help us create our own studios, and it quite relaxed my fears of AI. until I got to the end where you literally describe the absolute nightmare scenario, where you just ask a robot to make the game for you, or the art piece for you. This is when art and human creativity dies. And is what worries me the most about the future. :(
Yeah I can totally understand what you are saying here. Let me elaborate:
Keep in mind I don't think much of the current crop of AI software. And I am projecting a lot further into the future when I think about a scenario where an AI could actually replace an artist and steal someone's job. Perhaps 10-20 years minimum. And I suspect it will take over jobs that people no longer want to do by that time.
Jobs/roles will keep being lost due to automation. But if we look at something like the videogame industry... where tasks are always being re-deployed to software... there are more jobs than ever. More artists employed than ever.
I think the creativity and humanity will the most important things.
I am imagining in those situations creating a game based on something I have already created... and the process will still need a huge amount of input and direction. (Still very doubtful the tech will get anywhere near being able to just make a game of quality by some random person talking to it). Or for an AI to color a comic page it would need to know how I already do it to be useful. Otherwise my work would look like everyone else's... And I would have no way of editing it.
It's also likely that the automation will only be possible with properly licensed AI models, or if it's derived from the same artist's original work. I don't see how the legal side of it can work otherwise. So I think doing the original art that can be a target for automation. Or adding value to a base set of legally derived standard content will still be the norm. The speed and quality will improve... but not much else.
The USP (unique aspect of the product/art) will be you :)
The ideas/story/humanity/experience/unique insight are what makes the difference now... and for the foreseeable future. Even if it includes advanced proper AGI.
Okay, I watched the whole video. This might sound like an arrogant thing to say, especially considering that I'm not a professional artist, or even a very good artist (I'm still just learning the basics) - but I think you're missing the point of why people feel threatened by AI. AI is different from photography, because to be a professional photographer, you still needed an expensive camera and all the other equipment, and you had to know what you were doing. With AI, anyone can create art, for free, and with a minimal investment of time and effort. This essentially erases the artist. When anyone can easily color a picture just by clicking a button, that takes all the value away from the skill of coloring, both commercially and from a personal point of view of getting that sense of accomplishment. Yeah sure, you'll be able to create whatever you want, but so will anyone else, and eventually, you'll use AI to write stories too, to create new characters, etc - and what will you do, exactly? Just click buttons waiting for AI to generate what you want. It'll be great for consumers, but artists won't exist any more.
Yeah those are good points for sure. I probably need to make another video as this is hard concept to explain. The bottom line is that execution of ideas is everything. The subtleties matter. Think of all the copycat movies and books and things which are just derivative trying to cash in on a popular product. Even when I want derivation... they are often so poor that they are unwatchable or unreadable. Also people don't buy entertainment as a commodity.
Having been in the content creation game for 20 years... it's a lot harder than people think to make good stuff. Most students and people starting out think they know what will work... and they are almost all wrong in the beginning. They don't understand the process and how to sustain a vision.
Think of it like this... AI is a Ferrari, it goes fast, but if you give the keys to an idiot, they will crash it and die. Same with most things in life. Just because AI might allow people to create a lot of stuff fast does not mean it is good. They will just crash and burn faster and have no idea what they did wrong.
(I'm sure someone will think of a funny line about AI controlled Ferrari's but trust me, in a creative pursuit, the destination and journey are not know. There is no external data to guide the project. It is a totally different animal)
I suspect we will see a lot of people try and create stuff with AI over the next 5-10 years. And I think most of it will have huge novelty factor. But ultimately it will not be that good. Unless there is strong creative direction by someone who knows what they are doing.
Lets wait and see :)
In fact the only artists who will survive the automation are the classical stage musicians and performers like rock guitarists, singer etc. who perform on festivals.
Lots of traditional artists still make great money selling real physical work. Many comic book artists make a large portion of their income with original art sales for instance… I think that this stuff will only become more valuable.
To all artists in the world from every walk of life
Stay strong and believe in your craft
Right on!
I'm just going like Gene Hackman from Enemy of the State. All my art is locked away in a Faraday Cage under my house, lol. Only I get to enjoy it.
I use digital art for commercial sales; but reserved painting upon which to build my legacy.
Good content is always going to be king. I will wait for the wave of vanilla AI art to pass. Eventually society will crave the real thing. They always do.
Can you upload this to FB?
What stands in the way becomes the way
People might be missing the obvious: Offensive Content.
So far, most AI are programmed to be very safe and avoid "NSFW" content and it'll probably stay that way for a long while. I doubt AI will be writing politically offensive punk rock lyrics, for example. Even if it could, it'd probably resist on the spiciness.
Just think this problem is going to effect every job in the world eventually. We are going to have to rethink everything on how to stay relevant.
Thank you for the video, this actual nowadays, especially among all of these chaos and shit around.
But I'm not sure that I got the point correctly. I'm a concept artist/illustrator in gamevelopment industry and what if I don't want to create and lead courses, create my own game or various stuff? I just want to be an artist in gamedev.
Yes, I know that real artists will be prioritised than ai fakes, because we know what to do with art and prompters don't. But what you are talking about is that all of us should turn out into businessmans, no mater capacity and desire for it? I just don't understand.
P. S sorry for my imperfect English, I'm not a native. Best)
I personally think we really need to slow down on the AI stuff and reflect about what we're doing and proceed with caution. It won't happen of course, but we should. Less so about AI art and more about AI in general. GPT-4 for example is going to be batshit insane provided the hype is real. If we don't rigorously test it to make sure it can't be used maliciously we're gonna see the biggest boom in cyber security threats, scams, misinformation, and so on. And that's just Gpt, who knows what the military is cooking up with this tech. I like that you're not being doom and gloom about this but I don't have optimism for this stuff besides things like the advancement of healthcare or something unfortunately. I don't have a crystal ball but I predict this shit is gonna get real fucked.
Some truth was spoken, i'm glad i found your videos!
THis is the best look at the real issues of the art world and it's interaction with a.i. that I have seen :)
incredibly useful and mature perspective my dude, really appreciate it. shame more people wont see this because its a real talk