@@yovgirl oh about each other? Maybe yeah but Lisa and V posting their pics taken by one another exist and also them talking to each other. Idk about mentioning each other oof
This is why I was so thankful to kdreamzens who kept their lightsticks on and cheered for every group at this year's dream concert. Majority of the audience was nctzens but there were loud cheers for everyone. Knowing how bad these fanwars used to be it was great to see the fandom supporting everyone Shoutout to jaemin who told them on bubble to support all the other artists as well!!
yeah! whenever i go to concerts like these i make sure to bring every single lightstick so every group is appreciated. it would be so heartbreaking to say mean things to them like these fans did. so toxic kpop is becoming...
i never understood when people (especially 2nd gen stans) would say “i missed when kpop was peaceful and every fandom got along” when that is a huge lie. fanwars have always been a part of the kpop community. atp i’d even say that it’s normalized which is sad, but at the same time, nobody cares enough to put a stop to it or call it out. you’d think that after all these years of going back and forth, people would get tired of constantly fighting damn near everyday but i get the feeling that the majority of kpop stans find entertainment in fanwars which is why it isn’t going to stop anytime soon. some y’all will sit on your devices all day just commenting or tweeting hate towards a group or idol just to purposely argue with people and it’s weird af. but the crazy thing is, a fanwar could start from the most harmless comment ever. someone could say “that hairstyle doesn’t suit xyz” and then all of a sudden you’ve got hundreds of people getting mad and trying to call your fave ugly then BOOM, before you know it a fanwar starts. now i’ve seen instances where fanwars have started for good reasons. such as falsely accusing an idol for something that we know for a fact they would never do, body shaming, making fun of mental health/death, etc. those types of things are crossing the line and whatever fandom condemns it (which lets be real, a lot of them do) they deserve to be dragged imo. but for all the unnecessary things y’all argue about like clothes, awards, looks, etc,…all that needs to end asap.
Its not the second gen stans saying that though? Its 4th gen stans that never experienced second gen as it was happening. They believe that since idols had collab stages that fanwars didn't happen which was not the case. None of us have ever wanted kpop to be "peaceful" like second gen kpop has just never been "peaceful"
@@teadora99 no i can definitely say that it’s mostly 2nd gens saying it because they always mentioning how kpop “isn’t like it once was” or something along those lines when in reality, the kpop community has always been terrible, especially the fans. it wouldn’t make sense for 4th gen stans to be saying it especially if they’re new to kpop since they weren’t even there.
You’re absolutely right. It’s just that we barely see those wholesome interactions anymore as they start taking more precautions and some groups don’t even attend shows anymore, covid ruined a lot. Music itself people say has changed and it’s not as refreshing as before?? It was never peaceful but some fans never learn
As someone who is both a blink and a once, I reaaaaaally hate how much so many "fans" start fights. The idols obviously don't like that, they are friends afterall.
it’s all purely international fans on social media. nowadays I don’t think anyone would attempt a black ocean unless they faced level 3 or higher scandal
@@pizzapumkin2549 Oh by Levels I mean bullying accusation. But yes there is a ranking from 0-5. Kim Garam of Lesserafim faced Level 5 bullying and you see where that got her.
@@Verlfled I dont want to start anything, but in Garams middle school the highest you can get is a level 9, and level 5 was the most common that students got. The levels vary between schools, so level 5 could be the highest for one school and something else could be the highest for another school.
To see Girls Generation and their fans endure so much hate IMMEDIATELY even as rookies is so fucking heartbreaking but also inspiring when I think about how revolutionary they became in spite of it all. It really gives me hope for aespa who are going through something similar to their big sister group.
Yes!! They are legends!! A similar thing happened to IU, remember? People cussing at her, calling her a pig, fat, ugly... She was a child at the time... Now she is who she is... And that's awesome...
Shout-out to k nctzens/dreamzen for keeping their lightstick on thru everyone performance, even singing along,some fan chants and also sweetheart jaemin saying on.bubble to support everyone at the past dream concert 🥰💚 was a beautiful and fun time watching
@@hashoo.group.ka.chairman a large majority of fans at this year's dream concert were NCTzens, and they all kept their lightsicks on and cheered for the other artists
Fanwars just don't makes any sence anymore, let's let idols live normal life, We don't need to fight each-other, let's support each-other instead! Let's be basties fandoms! No matter which fandom are you, let's be friends!
This is the reason why they deserve every success in their career. Girls' Generation faced so much hardship and criticism when they debuted. I am just so proud that they took their experience and made it into an encouragement to strive harder. They worked so hard into becoming the artists that they are now. They didn't just built a successful career, they made a legacy and that legacy will forever live on. Girls' Generation is not just a kpop group, they are the representation of empowered women. They built a generation for girls. They paved so many ways and opened so many doors for girl groups. They are not just artists, they are a legendary group of girls who inspires and encourages so many young and upcoming idols. They are passionate and they love what they do, that is why they are successful. I am so happy that after all these years they are still relevant and impactful. 15 years into their careers and they are still well respected and still popular. GIRLS' GENERATION is the BEST GIRL GROUP to ever exist.
@Gisellestoe Since they didn't have the internet to argue it was common for both fandoms to get in real physical fights frequently. There is a lot more I guess just google a little bit and you will find it xD
@Gisellestoe don't know if i should be proud since he went to jail but he did fight for a right thing. He reminds me when Harry Styles said" if getting in trouble for hitting someone,might as well hit them hard"
I come from 2nd Gen and followed Big Name and Small Name Girl Groups around that time. I will not forget the crazy Fanwar between Dal Shabet and B1A4 Fans where Police had to get involved. Fanwars existed in 2nd Gen but it didnt blow up until 3rd Gen. SNSD was asked what they thought about 3rd Gen now that Kpop has become a battlefield, and they answered very diplomatically. I returned to Kpop recently so I missed 3rd Gen, and I was amazed at the amount of hate and fighting that is occurring. I once wrote "Rose is a great singer", and then some Blink replied "Its Rosé or Rosie, get it right next time B***H!" I was like "wow ok psycho", but you see and feel that everywhere. Girls Generation used to interact with Boy Groups from different Agencies all the time, but now Idols cant even be near each other without someone trying to start something. Its very unfortunate. Kpop got bigger, but Fandoms seem to be getting worse.
This. This is me rn. I left kpop around 7-8 years ago so i missed the entire 3rd gen but just got back into it because Seventeen pulled me back forcefully lmao. Fanwars were horrid back then but at least idols could still interact with each other. Nowadays a male idol so much as breathes in the general direction of a female idol (or vice-versa) and they get so much hate for it. Like omfg give them a break lmao. That’s why everything is so manufactured and stale, they cant even be human anymore :/
And you don't dare intervene them, I know it's the past, just let them be. IDC about SNSD and SJ, the important is to enjoy the performance and don't talk about haters
I feel like its 99% these people's fault. and they need therapy. because being obsessed with a stranger, engaging in fanwars and wishing horrible things for person you don't even know - this is definitely not normal. and it's also 1% idols fault if they are the type to say things like "I am not gonna get married. i already have you(fans)" "my girlfriend ? my fans." "don't get married, you have us" "You guys are my everything. I know you will protect me forever " such shit. basically actively feeding into their delusions. I hate such Idols with all my heart.
It's kinda equally wrong. If idols aren't shown as "boyfriend/girlfriend material", I bet many wouldn't have such a loyal fanbase. There are many artists whose name is well known but people aren't really bothered about their personal life.
@@mirroruniverse9331 there's is difference between "boyfriend/girlfriend/husband material image" and "actively feeding into delusions". very well knowing that fans consists of teenagers and crazy fans and still going on and on with the "don't look at anyone else, i am your boyfriend" "i will stay single forver because i have you, my fans". If you are an "idol" you should tell then to go find a job, find love, live your life happily, and not this. or ATLEAST not feed into delusions There are many idols who have boyfriend/girlfriend image very well and loyal fanbases without ever feeding into fans delusions.
Oh yeah Ig one of the members in BTS (maybe Yoongi) did said that back in the day. But honestly anyone in their right mind would take it with a grain of salt because well... let's be honest, reality is harsh. Us normal people can't be with these celebs. Heck we might even imagine but as long as you remind yourself of the reality, you're good Ig
It’s their company’s fault for making the idols act like that or marketing them like that & their fans fault too but just a few fans are like that most fans are mature it’s 99 percent their company’s fault
this is why I'll always be thankful for mature and respectful fans. there are also those who cheer for every group or change their lightstick color to match the color of the group performing and it is so cute💕
There was a thing called 'SNSD curse' where idols of fandoms that dissed SNSD back then had their bias fell into scandals like group breaking up, drunk and driving, fell into obscurity, etc. Not just those involved in the black ocean, but also other groups and fandoms that existed afterwards.
Honestly, Girl's Generation are frickin soldiers! Despite of the disgusting behaviour from the haters, the girls still put on a great performance and are now one of the greatest senior girl groups as we speak. So yeah, SUCK IT HATERS!!
I wish I was there. I’d be screaming my voice hoarse in support of SNSD. I love them. And while I am a multiple fandom person, I love all groups and support any group; regardless of whether or not I listen to them
I just lowkey wished to be attending atleast one Kpop concert lol. Although Ik much few 4th gen kpop groups (aside from HYBE entertainment boys) I'd still keep my lightsticks on atleast to wave at them groups. Even to those Idk because it's honoring for me to even get the chance to attend Kpop concert + if the song sounds good to me, I'd wave around my lightstick like crazy lol
I remember witnessing the fan war between ELF and Sone as many of my friends were participating in the online war themselves (we were all outside of Korea, this is to describe how big Kpop became in 2009 as fans from other countries also participate in the war). There were crazy fans on both sides, so the fan war was brutal. It's still ongoing now, just in a smaller scale. I was/have been a fan of both groups so it was very hard to watch, especially they are bandmates in the same company.
Still remembered few of my classmate who is a huge fan of SS501 said she hate Tiffany just because she talking to hyunjoong and accused her trying to seduced him in one of variety show. Fanwars are so ridiculous
As a casual listener I don’t understand the fan wars like it’s a lot of double standard and it gets annoying kinda why I haven’t gotten more into kpop. I wish idols/ groups or companies would speak out about it or try to minimize it. A lot of fans want kpop exposure in foreign shows/concerts but only as long as it’s their favorite which I feel like it only slow things down
I really wish they wouldn't care anymore , like just be friendly or talk to whoever and let their fans cry a little . It should remind them that they're just FANS nothing more and nothing less !!!
@@nouhedg4035It's very naive to think that artists will risk losing audiences because of interactions, I wish this didn't happen and that they could interact and have a normal life but that's not the case. And idols fight hard to get this attention from the public and fans, so they hardly want to lose it.
@@jungkookluvie I said what I said based on 2nd gen idols , they interacted and didn't care , and they're still doing fine till 5th gen . So yeah they should interact and not care about their fans
Videos of the black ocean are one of my most vivid memories as a new fan in 2008. Hate for SNSD was intense. People brought up the black ocean even years after as one of the fandom's most painful memories. Looking back, I don't know how SNSD got past all that hate unscathed because it was so much. I'm still a sone and I'm so proud of SNSD's success. I still see them as the nations gg and I don't think that'll ever change 💕
Why is it always the toxic ones that goes to the concerts to promote such disgusting behaviors. When I got into SNSD they were already so popular and I loved all the interactions they had with DBSK and SuJu. I had no idea fan wars was even a thing honestly I just watched them and assume everyone was cool with each other.
Fanwars is stupid. There's also the debate of K-pop Vs J-pop. I love both K-pop and J-pop and it pains me when some people that likes K-pop say trash about J-pop and vice-versa. You can love some music / group without belittling other kind of music / groups.
i was that Jpop fan who think Kpop is overrated and trash thanks to that one Kpop "fan" who called Kyary Pamyu song is weird (Orange Caramel literally exist hello???) and i would apologize for that. Now i equally love them and seeing people from both sides hating and trashing each others and songs kinda hurts me...
The worst thing of all this is that Suju and TVXQ were very close friend of SNSD, there are so many videos of them together and talking about their trainees days. Its so sad
It wasn't only Super Junior and DBSK fans. Another group that was huge during that period was SS501 and their fans (Triple S) took part in the boycott. Together, the 3 fandoms were called CARTEL. During 2nd gen, groups appeared on variety shows together, which was how SS501 and SNSD members were seen 'together' even though they aren't from the same company like SJ and DBSK. And during then, sometimes members were asked to choose who was their 'fav' from the other group, leading to more jealousy.
I am so glad that this stupid concert did nothing to hurt their career, Girls Generation will forever remain as the most influential kpop girl group, having one of the most successful runs ever. They opened so many doors for so many kpop acts and all of its 9 members were exceptional performers and artists. I will always love and support them
I'm pretty sure it didn't stop in Dream Concert. I remember SNSD members talked about performing in SMTOWN and when they were performing, it wasn't a black ocean but red & blue fans (TVXQ and Super Junior) used their lightstick and formed an "X" while SNSD were performing. I think it was on the same year as the Dream Concert.
You know you should cheer for every band no matter who they are or if your a fan of them. It’s called common courtesy like cmon. Now all those haters can shove it because Girls Generation is now legendary and nothing can change that.
Well i was kinda tearing up when i saw the black ocean cz it was ridiculous and sad at the same time ,Anyways lets make them forget that terrible past by supporting them in their comeback no matter what💗
The tito and tita’s Sones and Blackjacks 😂 The Yin&Yang of KPop GG. Both Queens. Iconic fanwar. BUT look at them now laughing and giggling reminscing the nostalgic golden days of kpop. Both fandoms are proud of the achievement and contribution of the girls to the KPop.
@@yoonskitten77yearsago75 you grow out of it and now can laugh about how stupid they were. the good old days. it's called maturity. holding grudges bc of a stupid fanwar is stupid.
A black ocean is genuinely one of the most heartbreaking things in kpop. You have to be vile to participate in it. I’ve been to kcon and other kpop concerts and I have, and always will, waved my lightstick for every single performer. Even if I didn’t like them. Because at the end of the day, I don’t have to like but I do have to respect them. Turning off your lightstick is huge disrespect. If you’re a kpop stan you KNOW what all of these groups have to go through to get to where they are. They all deserve a bright ocean.
You see,these “fans” were jealous/scared because they KNEW these amazingly talented girls would definitely be successful . I hate people like this. And the fact that this is continuing till this day when these apparent fans bully rookie groups
So much hate for every fandoms never stopped until today, this kind of people are so mean and maybe not happy on their lives! Back then Girl Power doesnt exist... After this, GirlsGeneration turn tables and made themselves the Untouchables back then theyre the only one who Beat Boygroups and still have the longevity of their career(individually or group) until today. Of course i will support the frst group who made me fall in love wth Kpop., The OG Queens, Girls Generation 👍👑
I remembers how huge the fan wars were between Super Junior and SNSD. There are still fans that say SNSD stole the golden disk daesang away from SJ, and that SM had paid for them to win despite the public number of album sales.
As sad as this is, this is why I don't interact much with fans. I prefer to sit on the side and watch. Fanwars are so normalized now that it's even more difficult to stop. But you can't tell the fans that, oh no, you're wrong.
It will only get worse if the authorities or/and the companies doesn’t do anything about this. Honestly sometimes I think that the companies just do whatever the fans want and not what the idols want. The thing is that they don’t even take a lesson of all the idols that committed suicide too. People don’t realise how dark the K-pop industry is, it would look all glittery, shiny and beautiful on one side but when you look from the other side it is just plain inhuman, all the pain, suffering and constantly forcing yourself to fit a certain standard etc.
I felt bad for what happened to SNSD before, that was way too much. I've been a fan of them since 2009 and I'm glad that they made it. Now, they're a living Kpop legends! As a SONE, I'm always proud of you, my GIRLS' GENERATION! 💗
It’s saddening how fan wars happen between groups who are probably friends and they try to say “this group is better than this group” etc.. like CANT these people just stop? It’s getting annoying all these idols work their ass off to perform on stage :/
The fanwars should stop its really dangerous for fans and for idols too and idols dont even know that their fandome doing such things think about your fav idol if they find out about it they must going to hurt and snsd prove it that nothing is impossible and become successful bcz of their hard working but dream concert was really hearbreaking they dont deserve it at that time they were rookies and if they take it to heart then i think they get mentelly depressed but im happy they did well and show the haters what they can do and fanwars still happening and i really hope fans should stop fighting and just support their fav ones
Damn ELFs are absolutely THE WORST and one of the most toxic fandoms ever!!!! I started stanning SuJu back in 2009 and they were the 1st Kpop group I've loved. However, over the time I started to realize how ridiculous, disrespectful and immature the fandom truly is and I left the whole fandom all together. I vividly remember back in 2010 there were at least 20 pages on FB that I only knew off dedicated to photo-shopping the most horrible pics of SNSD members. Calling them horrendous names and one of the pages was named "Antis of the 9 COWS" !!!! And when Suju and snsd made commercials together for the brand SPAO elfs went CRAAAAZYYYYY with their hate and horrible comments. They were also fighting basically any other fandom that comes their way. They had fanwars with VIPs and Hottests (2pm fans), but the biggest one was with EXOLs I remember when EXO first debuted ELFs arranged events in specific times to go leave hate comments on EXO teasers and vids. Saying that EXO copied Suju's concept (which is absolutely ridiculous and SO NOT TRUE ... DUH), and they even went to the point to being extremely happuly and festive when Kris left EXO and they were basically praying for EXO disbanding. I couldn't handle all the hate and meanness in that horrible fandom and I stopped stanning Suju all together in 2014. O now when people say things like "Oh I miss the 2nd gen days when there were no fanwars" I be like YEAH RIGGGGHT !!!
It never ends! I've seen this in every fandom I've been into, and I've been into so few of them, but they never run out of toxic behaviors like this. I'm currently in one where the fans create fake Twitter accounts to bash a specific fan who was shown attention. They even go as far as sending DMs to hate on someone who won a competition or who was supporting the boys on Twitch with bits and subs. It's ridiculous! And this is in the same fandom! These "fans" are so selfish. They don't realize they're hurting the fandom and the people they supposedly support.
That's the main reason why idols after 2nd gen there are no longer interactions they are humans afterall at least respect them... I miss the interactions so much
These day we have Sone (Fan of SNSD) and AFS (Anti-Fan of SNSD). Not just fans of SNSD have a name, antifans too. after BO if you don't have a strong heart, you can't get through it, you failed. I am really happy that our girl didn't stop, they get over it. It's make our girls and the fandom stronger. The girls comeback after a year with GEE, it's success than ever. That's our revenge. And now, 15th anniversary is coming. Good to see them together. Legend.
2:14 That's not true. They didn't find out about it after their performance ended. You make so many things up, it's amazing the imagination you have. They have told this story over and over again. After their performance ended, the started realising what happened and they cried so much backstage
I never understood this fan wars stuff...really, fans need to grow the hell up! Live and let live. Just because someone stans another group than your faves don't mean you should harass others to the point of starting fights and whatnot else. I have always been very proud of the many groups I stan and love and I couldn't care less what other fans say. I love the music I am listening to and because I love music so much, there is not one single hair on my head that will only stan one group just because fans are making these rules, like why? There are worst things in the world and on top of that music should bring everyone together. Also hating on a girl group because they are hanging out with your favorite oppa's, like really? 😂😂😂 just read that again and am I the only one thinking that is ridicilous?
After 9 years, they finally released their new song “Forever 1”. Haters who criticized them during girls generation’s nightmare concert should learn their lesson for accusing them for all the things they done during that time.
@Alien of course they were !! Every big name group fandom was toxic including ours Sones 🤣🤣 we were VICIOUS I'm telling you lool Now we just laugh about it 🤣
I always imagine that two idols are politely friendly to each other if they see each other around and that’s it. I don’t make assumptions about who’s friends with who and who’s enemies with who.
I’m a multifan so I Stan so many groups lol 😂 I just appreciate them. Obviously I might be more bias with 2nd Gen because I grew up with them when I was a teen but I also like 3rd Gen groups. Maybe not as much with 4th Gen but I like Aespa so far since they aren’t minors thankfully. For 1st Gen I love Shinhwa because they are veterans like I have to respect 1st Gen or else there wouldn’t be a 2nd Gen
Fan wars are just so absurd. No matter how much you love your idol and care about them that does not give you the right to speak for them and bully other idols. At times some Fandom just keep clashing while their idols are literally bffs.
4th gen fanwars got nothing on 2nd gen fanwars, wow. all we do is argue on twitter meanwhile 2nd gen fans went out of their way to humiliate not only the fans but the artist💀 I don't mean this as if i want the same thing ofc but this is just so merciless
and wow, ALL because snsd demonstrated that they were close to their male favs?? it's beyond understanding for me how people can develop parasocial relationship so strong. like i thought we all understand where fanservice is and that the best reaction to it is to giggle a lil,.cringe a lil and continue with your day but there are people that take it seriously and actually believe they have a chance with their favs??? it's so so far beyond me
These types of fans have their own mindset that their fav idols can't be friends with each other. They make scenarios in their mind imaging themselves with their idols and that is very childish, everything should be normalize. If a male and a female idol are talking to each other that doesn't always mean that they are dating. This should be stopped. I see so many fans fighting with each other for their idols in the comment section. Some fans have no idea how toxic they've become and these fans make the entire fandom toxic. These fans should live in reality
Totally agree with you......BUT I also feel that one of the main reasons could be their extreme hate towards a particular group that they don't want their idols to interact I feel. Idk I could be wrong but I somehow feel that's the root cause
@@nikkonikkoni8264 yeah that's also true. Some Blinks and army were spreading hate towards tae and Lisa. They both had a normal interaction. I saw so many inappropriate comments on her posts. Imagine if there fav idols got married or had a relationship how would these fans will react.
This is what stopped me from even being a kpop fan/Stan, the toxicity in the community shines BRIGHT and I just could not be apart of it. Some of these “fans” need to get a slap back to reality and to get a grip. I’m not out for those who genuinely like kpop and respect the idols, respect other people’s opinions, and aren’t obsessed stalkers who act like they are gonna date these idols even tho they aren’t, and don’t agree that kpop idols should not date and be skinny as a twig. Like I love kpop songs but the fact that this community can’t even be stable is just hard to stand with, and the fact these idols are real people just makes it worse as it’s not even fiction that we’re dealing with and people actually do get affected. 😐
This makes me question the point of fanwars to begin with, especially if it involves a really popular groups. These are the kind of moments that make me less proud of a K-pop fan, simply due to all the conspiracies and drama that happens not just between fandoms, but within the phantom's themselves as well. And it always breaks my heart when a fanwar happens right in front of my eyes and I don't realize it even happened until it settles down. This is kind of what makes me regret being a K-pop fan to begin with, and it always breaks my heart when the artists themselves get along well but the fanbases don't 😭😭
sometimes anti, hate, delusional, 'fanwar' thingy is just beyond comprehend, why can't them just like something without hating on another thing. I'm so glad that ppl around me who stan on a group never hate or doing anything stupid to group they do not stan.
Some of the new fans will never understand what it feels like to actually WITNESS these fan wars!! Today's fanwars are a little mild compared to back then but you know why I still like 2nd gen over the last 2 gens ?? Is that they didn't give a flying fuck what fans said about them loool Especially SNSD they were friends with EVERY boy group and didn't care AT ALL . They are famous , talented , classy and are still the most respected girl group to this day , that's why they're the standard 👏👏
Fanwars exist every generation especially 1st and 2nd gen. The difference now is, fan wars and toxicity are now getting exposed because of social media. That's why people are now stressed out because of numerous articles and hate speech that can be seen in social media everyday. As a fan of KPOP since 2008, my fangirling before only includes watching MV's, Variety shows and memorizing lyrics/choreographies (and I did this in the internet cafe only). That is why I am not really exposed to news like this not until 2011, where I had my own mobile phone and internet connection and finally got the chance to know more about KPOP and its dark side. Maybe that's the reason why some of 2nd gen international fans always say "its better before, there's no fan war" because they were not really exposed to the world of fan war. But one thing that I like before is, even toxic fans make an issue or bash an idol, 2nd gen idols still had the freedom to interact with other idols . While in this generation, fans and haters always keep an eye to the idols because internet is now accessible. A simple stare, laugh or touch can be distorted and turn it into an issue and will be posted in the internet right away.
Fanwars are embarrassing, ignorant and ridiculous in my opinion. You can be a fan of multiple groups as each group and idol are not the same. And comparing each idol/group is just idiotic.
i remember my sister who is elf did fanwar with dbsk fandom, even tho they r idol in same company. Girls generation fandom also had same experience with their sunbae fandom. I mean if they r so ruthless to one another (same company) imagine how barbaric so called sm stan are when doing fanwar with another company idol fandom
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People just need to stop imagine how the idols feel you know being friends with each other and all.
for real, some of the bts and exo members were friends but now after all the fanwars i haven’t seen them posting pictures together anymore
@@o.o9117 I can agree with you, I think BP and BTS were/is friends, but now of big fanwars, they don't say a word about each other
poor Karina & Yeji
@@yovgirl they are friends but don't act LIKE friends ij public
@@yovgirl oh about each other? Maybe yeah but Lisa and V posting their pics taken by one another exist and also them talking to each other. Idk about mentioning each other oof
This is why I was so thankful to kdreamzens who kept their lightsticks on and cheered for every group at this year's dream concert. Majority of the audience was nctzens but there were loud cheers for everyone. Knowing how bad these fanwars used to be it was great to see the fandom supporting everyone
Shoutout to jaemin who told them on bubble to support all the other artists as well!!
I don’t stan nct but it was really cool to see all their fans cheering for all the different acts c:
I have always respected nctzens for this
Ikr. Let's enjoy the music and cheer all the idols hardwork, having a good time and be happy.
i'm so proud to be a part of this fandom
yeah! whenever i go to concerts like these i make sure to bring every single lightstick so every group is appreciated. it would be so heartbreaking to say mean things to them like these fans did. so toxic kpop is becoming...
i never understood when people (especially 2nd gen stans) would say “i missed when kpop was peaceful and every fandom got along” when that is a huge lie. fanwars have always been a part of the kpop community. atp i’d even say that it’s normalized which is sad, but at the same time, nobody cares enough to put a stop to it or call it out. you’d think that after all these years of going back and forth, people would get tired of constantly fighting damn near everyday but i get the feeling that the majority of kpop stans find entertainment in fanwars which is why it isn’t going to stop anytime soon. some y’all will sit on your devices all day just commenting or tweeting hate towards a group or idol just to purposely argue with people and it’s weird af. but the crazy thing is, a fanwar could start from the most harmless comment ever. someone could say “that hairstyle doesn’t suit xyz” and then all of a sudden you’ve got hundreds of people getting mad and trying to call your fave ugly then BOOM, before you know it a fanwar starts. now i’ve seen instances where fanwars have started for good reasons. such as falsely accusing an idol for something that we know for a fact they would never do, body shaming, making fun of mental health/death, etc. those types of things are crossing the line and whatever fandom condemns it (which lets be real, a lot of them do) they deserve to be dragged imo. but for all the unnecessary things y’all argue about like clothes, awards, looks, etc,…all that needs to end asap.
Yes 100% fan wars were normal since the conception of kpop
As a long time stan, it was never quiet during those times
Its not the second gen stans saying that though? Its 4th gen stans that never experienced second gen as it was happening. They believe that since idols had collab stages that fanwars didn't happen which was not the case. None of us have ever wanted kpop to be "peaceful" like second gen kpop has just never been "peaceful"
@@teadora99 no i can definitely say that it’s mostly 2nd gens saying it because they always mentioning how kpop “isn’t like it once was” or something along those lines when in reality, the kpop community has always been terrible, especially the fans. it wouldn’t make sense for 4th gen stans to be saying it especially if they’re new to kpop since they weren’t even there.
You’re absolutely right. It’s just that we barely see those wholesome interactions anymore as they start taking more precautions and some groups don’t even attend shows anymore, covid ruined a lot. Music itself people say has changed and it’s not as refreshing as before?? It was never peaceful but some fans never learn
As someone who is both a blink and a once, I reaaaaaally hate how much so many "fans" start fights. The idols obviously don't like that, they are friends afterall.
it’s all purely international fans on social media. nowadays I don’t think anyone would attempt a black ocean unless they faced level 3 or higher scandal
@@Verlfled Wait is there like a chart or something listing how bad a scandal is
@@pizzapumkin2549 Oh by Levels I mean bullying accusation. But yes there is a ranking from 0-5. Kim Garam of Lesserafim faced Level 5 bullying and you see where that got her.
@@Verlfled I dont want to start anything, but in Garams middle school the highest you can get is a level 9, and level 5 was the most common that students got. The levels vary between schools, so level 5 could be the highest for one school and something else could be the highest for another school.
@@Verlfled ok why are you talking about Kim Garam she has nothing to do with this
To see Girls Generation and their fans endure so much hate IMMEDIATELY even as rookies is so fucking heartbreaking but also inspiring when I think about how revolutionary they became in spite of it all. It really gives me hope for aespa who are going through something similar to their big sister group.
Yes!! They are legends!!
A similar thing happened to IU, remember? People cussing at her, calling her a pig, fat, ugly... She was a child at the time... Now she is who she is... And that's awesome...
Now Girls Generation are legends of legends. Love em! 💖💞
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Definetly true .most famous girls group and longest active.the boys and gee make them archive .
Shout-out to k nctzens/dreamzen for keeping their lightstick on thru everyone performance, even singing along,some fan chants and also sweetheart jaemin saying on.bubble to support everyone at the past dream concert 🥰💚 was a beautiful and fun time watching
@@hashoo.group.ka.chairman a large majority of fans at this year's dream concert were NCTzens, and they all kept their lightsicks on and cheered for the other artists
@@hashoo.group.ka.chairman ikr
Fanwars just don't makes any sence anymore, let's let idols live normal life, We don't need to fight each-other, let's support each-other instead! Let's be basties fandoms! No matter which fandom are you, let's be friends!
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@bircosworld No, not at all!
This should be pinned!!
that can also extended into internal civil wars in fandoms
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fan wars are just stupid. idols are friends and im sure they respect each other even though they are not friends.
Your account's name😂😂😂
This is the reason why they deserve every success in their career. Girls' Generation faced so much hardship and criticism when they debuted. I am just so proud that they took their experience and made it into an encouragement to strive harder. They worked so hard into becoming the artists that they are now. They didn't just built a successful career, they made a legacy and that legacy will forever live on. Girls' Generation is not just a kpop group, they are the representation of empowered women. They built a generation for girls. They paved so many ways and opened so many doors for girl groups. They are not just artists, they are a legendary group of girls who inspires and encourages so many young and upcoming idols. They are passionate and they love what they do, that is why they are successful. I am so happy that after all these years they are still relevant and impactful. 15 years into their careers and they are still well respected and still popular. GIRLS' GENERATION is the BEST GIRL GROUP to ever exist.
I absolutely agree! 💯
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Speaking about fanwars I immediately have to think about the fanwar between H.O.T and Sechskies fans. That was wild.
@Gisellestoe Since they didn't have the internet to argue it was common for both fandoms to get in real physical fights frequently. There is a lot more I guess just google a little bit and you will find it xD
@Gisellestoe You're welcome!
But who or what is Leo?
@Gisellestoe Oh wow. That's heavy. Thank you for the information.
@Gisellestoe don't know if i should be proud since he went to jail but he did fight for a right thing. He reminds me when Harry Styles said" if getting in trouble for hitting someone,might as well hit them hard"
I need to rewatch the drama Reply 1997 for the fanwar stuff
The way that all 3 of these artists are from the SAME AGENCY and are most likely friends with eachother, imagine how they felt :(
I come from 2nd Gen and followed Big Name and Small Name Girl Groups around that time. I will not forget the crazy Fanwar between Dal Shabet and B1A4 Fans where Police had to get involved. Fanwars existed in 2nd Gen but it didnt blow up until 3rd Gen. SNSD was asked what they thought about 3rd Gen now that Kpop has become a battlefield, and they answered very diplomatically. I returned to Kpop recently so I missed 3rd Gen, and I was amazed at the amount of hate and fighting that is occurring. I once wrote "Rose is a great singer", and then some Blink replied "Its Rosé or Rosie, get it right next time B***H!" I was like "wow ok psycho", but you see and feel that everywhere. Girls Generation used to interact with Boy Groups from different Agencies all the time, but now Idols cant even be near each other without someone trying to start something. Its very unfortunate. Kpop got bigger, but Fandoms seem to be getting worse.
Taeyeon even said she feels bad for the newer idols because they get hate for basically existing
As a blink I'm sorry about your experience with so called Blackpink fans I agree with you now days fandoms are filled with toxicity
Male and female idols can’t interact even in the same agency and they basically grow up tgt because of the fan war wtf
This. This is me rn. I left kpop around 7-8 years ago so i missed the entire 3rd gen but just got back into it because Seventeen pulled me back forcefully lmao. Fanwars were horrid back then but at least idols could still interact with each other. Nowadays a male idol so much as breathes in the general direction of a female idol (or vice-versa) and they get so much hate for it. Like omfg give them a break lmao. That’s why everything is so manufactured and stale, they cant even be human anymore :/
@@anooshnajeeb girl i am a blink too and honestly all fandoms became toxic past few years , so sad how i wanna leave our fandom too
These people are just truly disgusting, the saddest part is that they're mostly "adults", like grow up
Really I thought that they were stupid high-schoolers
It's unfortunate that a person's age determines they are an adult, when it should be based on age AND mature behavior.
And you don't dare intervene them, I know it's the past, just let them be. IDC about SNSD and SJ, the important is to enjoy the performance and don't talk about haters
Those are the consequences of not having a real life 🤦🏾♀️
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I feel like its 99% these people's fault. and they need therapy. because being obsessed with a stranger, engaging in fanwars and wishing horrible things for person you don't even know - this is definitely not normal.
and it's also 1% idols fault if they are the type to say things like "I am not gonna get married. i already have you(fans)" "my girlfriend ? my fans." "don't get married, you have us" "You guys are my everything. I know you will protect me forever " such shit.
basically actively feeding into their delusions. I hate such Idols with all my heart.
Exactly. Could not have said it better.
It's kinda equally wrong. If idols aren't shown as "boyfriend/girlfriend material", I bet many wouldn't have such a loyal fanbase. There are many artists whose name is well known but people aren't really bothered about their personal life.
@@mirroruniverse9331 there's is difference between "boyfriend/girlfriend/husband material image" and "actively feeding into delusions". very well knowing that fans consists of teenagers and crazy fans and still going on and on with the "don't look at anyone else, i am your boyfriend" "i will stay single forver because i have you, my fans". If you are an "idol" you should tell then to go find a job, find love, live your life happily, and not this. or ATLEAST not feed into delusions
There are many idols who have boyfriend/girlfriend image very well and loyal fanbases without ever feeding into fans delusions.
Oh yeah Ig one of the members in BTS (maybe Yoongi) did said that back in the day. But honestly anyone in their right mind would take it with a grain of salt because well... let's be honest, reality is harsh. Us normal people can't be with these celebs. Heck we might even imagine but as long as you remind yourself of the reality, you're good Ig
It’s their company’s fault for making the idols act like that or marketing them like that & their fans fault too but just a few fans are like that most fans are mature it’s 99 percent their company’s fault
this is why I'll always be thankful for mature and respectful fans. there are also those who cheer for every group or change their lightstick color to match the color of the group performing and it is so cute💕
Yeah it's so nice when fans support all groups it makes concerts so much better
fanwars are the reason why people believe that kpop fans are weird and obsessive
There was a thing called 'SNSD curse' where idols of fandoms that dissed SNSD back then had their bias fell into scandals like group breaking up, drunk and driving, fell into obscurity, etc. Not just those involved in the black ocean, but also other groups and fandoms that existed afterwards.
Well , Its not strange to think that , considering the fact , that almost all thise groups disbanded , except Girls Generation…
Bro why do yall start fanwars for no reason its just so sad…
Honestly, Girl's Generation are frickin soldiers! Despite of the disgusting behaviour from the haters, the girls still put on a great performance and are now one of the greatest senior girl groups as we speak. So yeah, SUCK IT HATERS!!
It makes me want to cry to think ROOKIES had to go through that. People are so cruel
I wish I was there. I’d be screaming my voice hoarse in support of SNSD. I love them. And while I am a multiple fandom person, I love all groups and support any group; regardless of whether or not I listen to them
I just lowkey wished to be attending atleast one Kpop concert lol. Although Ik much few 4th gen kpop groups (aside from HYBE entertainment boys) I'd still keep my lightsticks on atleast to wave at them groups. Even to those Idk because it's honoring for me to even get the chance to attend Kpop concert + if the song sounds good to me, I'd wave around my lightstick like crazy lol
For all of you fangirl and fan boy out there : ""LET YOUR IDOL DATE AND GET MARRIED WHOEVER THEY WANT!!!""
I remember witnessing the fan war between ELF and Sone as many of my friends were participating in the online war themselves (we were all outside of Korea, this is to describe how big Kpop became in 2009 as fans from other countries also participate in the war). There were crazy fans on both sides, so the fan war was brutal. It's still ongoing now, just in a smaller scale. I was/have been a fan of both groups so it was very hard to watch, especially they are bandmates in the same company.
Still remembered few of my classmate who is a huge fan of SS501 said she hate Tiffany just because she talking to hyunjoong and accused her trying to seduced him in one of variety show. Fanwars are so ridiculous
As a casual listener I don’t understand the fan wars like it’s a lot of double standard and it gets annoying kinda why I haven’t gotten more into kpop. I wish idols/ groups or companies would speak out about it or try to minimize it. A lot of fans want kpop exposure in foreign shows/concerts but only as long as it’s their favorite which I feel like it only slow things down
I really wish fanwars didn’t exist 😭 especially the one between snsd and super junior and also the one between bts and blackpink too :(
And this is why idols rarely interact with each other in public these days
I really wish they wouldn't care anymore , like just be friendly or talk to whoever and let their fans cry a little .
It should remind them that they're just FANS nothing more and nothing less !!!
@@nouhedg4035It's very naive to think that artists will risk losing audiences because of interactions, I wish this didn't happen and that they could interact and have a normal life but that's not the case. And idols fight hard to get this attention from the public and fans, so they hardly want to lose it.
@@jungkookluvie I said what I said based on 2nd gen idols , they interacted and didn't care , and they're still doing fine till 5th gen . So yeah they should interact and not care about their fans
Videos of the black ocean are one of my most vivid memories as a new fan in 2008. Hate for SNSD was intense. People brought up the black ocean even years after as one of the fandom's most painful memories. Looking back, I don't know how SNSD got past all that hate unscathed because it was so much. I'm still a sone and I'm so proud of SNSD's success. I still see them as the nations gg and I don't think that'll ever change 💕
Why is it always the toxic ones that goes to the concerts to promote such disgusting behaviors. When I got into SNSD they were already so popular and I loved all the interactions they had with DBSK and SuJu. I had no idea fan wars was even a thing honestly I just watched them and assume everyone was cool with each other.
Fanwars is stupid. There's also the debate of K-pop Vs J-pop. I love both K-pop and J-pop and it pains me when some people that likes K-pop say trash about J-pop and vice-versa. You can love some music / group without belittling other kind of music / groups.
i was that Jpop fan who think Kpop is overrated and trash thanks to that one Kpop "fan" who called Kyary Pamyu song is weird (Orange Caramel literally exist hello???) and i would apologize for that.
Now i equally love them and seeing people from both sides hating and trashing each others and songs kinda hurts me...
As an international ELF who didn't really interact with other fans, this is the first time I'm hearing this and I'm quite shocked.
Same. i'm a new Elf and when I first heard SNSD's debut song I was already jamming to it.
The worst thing of all this is that Suju and TVXQ were very close friend of SNSD, there are so many videos of them together and talking about their trainees days. Its so sad
It wasn't only Super Junior and DBSK fans. Another group that was huge during that period was SS501 and their fans (Triple S) took part in the boycott. Together, the 3 fandoms were called CARTEL. During 2nd gen, groups appeared on variety shows together, which was how SS501 and SNSD members were seen 'together' even though they aren't from the same company like SJ and DBSK. And during then, sometimes members were asked to choose who was their 'fav' from the other group, leading to more jealousy.
This and Im a Triple S myself. This youtuber failed to mention the green ocean there 😅 CARTEL - CAssiopeia TRiple S ELf
I can't believe two of my many favourite K-Pop acts went through this!! Also the WORST K-Pop fanwar ever was HOT vs SechSkies
I stan both groups but fanwars need to stop!
As a multistan it actually hurts me to see people fight for NO reason
I am so glad that this stupid concert did nothing to hurt their career, Girls Generation will forever remain as the most influential kpop girl group, having one of the most successful runs ever. They opened so many doors for so many kpop acts and all of its 9 members were exceptional performers and artists. I will always love and support them
I'm pretty sure it didn't stop in Dream Concert. I remember SNSD members talked about performing in SMTOWN and when they were performing, it wasn't a black ocean but red & blue fans (TVXQ and Super Junior) used their lightstick and formed an "X" while SNSD were performing. I think it was on the same year as the Dream Concert.
You know you should cheer for every band no matter who they are or if your a fan of them. It’s called common courtesy like cmon. Now all those haters can shove it because Girls Generation is now legendary and nothing can change that.
Well i was kinda tearing up when i saw the black ocean cz it was ridiculous and sad at the same time ,Anyways lets make them forget that terrible past by supporting them in their comeback no matter what💗
The tito and tita’s Sones and Blackjacks 😂
The Yin&Yang of KPop GG. Both Queens.
Iconic fanwar. BUT look at them now laughing and giggling reminscing the nostalgic golden days of kpop.
Both fandoms are proud of the achievement and contribution of the girls to the KPop.
what a weird reply... "the good old day".. whats the good part of that thing that happend???
@@yoonskitten77yearsago75 you grow out of it and now can laugh about how stupid they were. the good old days. it's called maturity. holding grudges bc of a stupid fanwar is stupid.
Also one of the memorable one is the war between Sechskies and H.O.T. one which is the fear of award shows back then.
its so sad to see them get hate as rookies. girls generation so sorry u had to go through this that early in your career.💔
A black ocean is genuinely one of the most heartbreaking things in kpop. You have to be vile to participate in it. I’ve been to kcon and other kpop concerts and I have, and always will, waved my lightstick for every single performer. Even if I didn’t like them. Because at the end of the day, I don’t have to like but I do have to respect them. Turning off your lightstick is huge disrespect. If you’re a kpop stan you KNOW what all of these groups have to go through to get to where they are. They all deserve a bright ocean.
For fans to take the hatred into reality just shows you glimpse of how bad it was online back then. It was an echo chamber of hate.
You see,these “fans” were jealous/scared because they KNEW these amazingly talented girls would definitely be successful . I hate people like this. And the fact that this is continuing till this day when these apparent fans bully rookie groups
My girls are everything!✨ they are indeed Queens of Kpop✨
It's SNSD's power, influence, and legacy, for me. They were born to be legends. All 9 of them.
I think the friendship between girls generation and super junior is heartwarming I don’t understand why this had to happen
So much hate for every fandoms never stopped until today, this kind of people are so mean and maybe not happy on their lives!
Back then Girl Power doesnt exist... After this, GirlsGeneration turn tables and made themselves the Untouchables back then theyre the only one who Beat Boygroups and still have the longevity of their career(individually or group) until today. Of course i will support the frst group who made me fall in love wth Kpop., The OG Queens, Girls Generation 👍👑
BLACK OCEAN will always be part of SNSD's SUCCESS.
I remembers how huge the fan wars were between Super Junior and SNSD. There are still fans that say SNSD stole the golden disk daesang away from SJ, and that SM had paid for them to win despite the public number of album sales.
they need to understand that fandoms are made to love,support and protect their own artists not to hate,demotivate and attack others.
As sad as this is, this is why I don't interact much with fans. I prefer to sit on the side and watch. Fanwars are so normalized now that it's even more difficult to stop. But you can't tell the fans that, oh no, you're wrong.
Yall, SNSD was so hated to the point there were official INTERNATIONAL anti SNSD forums in 2009
It will only get worse if the authorities or/and the companies doesn’t do anything about this. Honestly sometimes I think that the companies just do whatever the fans want and not what the idols want. The thing is that they don’t even take a lesson of all the idols that committed suicide too. People don’t realise how dark the K-pop industry is, it would look all glittery, shiny and beautiful on one side but when you look from the other side it is just plain inhuman, all the pain, suffering and constantly forcing yourself to fit a certain standard etc.
I feel so bad for idols having to go through this, fanwars are so childish
Now its kpop twt vs mys this is Worse tbh
@d no u have to vote on music shows😭😭
I remember this so distinctly! The terrifying black ocean! That was my first true introduction to anti fans!
I felt bad for what happened to SNSD before, that was way too much. I've been a fan of them since 2009 and I'm glad that they made it. Now, they're a living Kpop legends! As a SONE, I'm always proud of you, my GIRLS' GENERATION! 💗
This is ridiculous. Over some Kpop stars. 💀
They’re people… just like us.
It’s saddening how fan wars happen between groups who are probably friends and they try to say “this group is better than this group” etc.. like CANT these people just stop? It’s getting annoying all these idols work their ass off to perform on stage :/
The fanwars should stop its really dangerous for fans and for idols too and idols dont even know that their fandome doing such things think about your fav idol if they find out about it they must going to hurt and snsd prove it that nothing is impossible and become successful bcz of their hard working but dream concert was really hearbreaking they dont deserve it at that time they were rookies and if they take it to heart then i think they get mentelly depressed but im happy they did well and show the haters what they can do and fanwars still happening and i really hope fans should stop fighting and just support their fav ones
Damn ELFs are absolutely THE WORST and one of the most toxic fandoms ever!!!! I started stanning SuJu back in 2009 and they were the 1st Kpop group I've loved. However, over the time I started to realize how ridiculous, disrespectful and immature the fandom truly is and I left the whole fandom all together. I vividly remember back in 2010 there were at least 20 pages on FB that I only knew off dedicated to photo-shopping the most horrible pics of SNSD members. Calling them horrendous names and one of the pages was named "Antis of the 9 COWS" !!!! And when Suju and snsd made commercials together for the brand SPAO elfs went CRAAAAZYYYYY with their hate and horrible comments.
They were also fighting basically any other fandom that comes their way. They had fanwars with VIPs and Hottests (2pm fans), but the biggest one was with EXOLs
I remember when EXO first debuted ELFs arranged events in specific times to go leave hate comments on EXO teasers and vids. Saying that EXO copied Suju's concept (which is absolutely ridiculous and SO NOT TRUE ... DUH), and they even went to the point to being extremely happuly and festive when Kris left EXO and they were basically praying for EXO disbanding.
I couldn't handle all the hate and meanness in that horrible fandom and I stopped stanning Suju all together in 2014.
O now when people say things like "Oh I miss the 2nd gen days when there were no fanwars" I be like YEAH RIGGGGHT !!!
It never ends! I've seen this in every fandom I've been into, and I've been into so few of them, but they never run out of toxic behaviors like this. I'm currently in one where the fans create fake Twitter accounts to bash a specific fan who was shown attention. They even go as far as sending DMs to hate on someone who won a competition or who was supporting the boys on Twitch with bits and subs. It's ridiculous! And this is in the same fandom! These "fans" are so selfish. They don't realize they're hurting the fandom and the people they supposedly support.
“Idols aren’t your dolls to f*ck with”
I’m a fairly new kpop fan so I’d be honored to see all these artists live
That's the main reason why idols after 2nd gen there are no longer interactions they are humans afterall at least respect them... I miss the interactions so much
These day we have Sone (Fan of SNSD) and AFS (Anti-Fan of SNSD). Not just fans of SNSD have a name, antifans too. after BO if you don't have a strong heart, you can't get through it, you failed. I am really happy that our girl didn't stop, they get over it. It's make our girls and the fandom stronger. The girls comeback after a year with GEE, it's success than ever. That's our revenge. And now, 15th anniversary is coming. Good to see them together. Legend.
EXO-ls Vs Army
It’s also another big fanwar
This is another pointless and stupid fanwar. One fandom will not let the other breathe and be at each others throat 24/7.
arent kai and jimin and taemin all friends? im an exol never really understood this fanwar
@@davestridr. I understand what you mean but idols being friends doesn't make the fandom have sympathy for each other, the name "FANwar" says it all.
2:14 That's not true. They didn't find out about it after their performance ended. You make so many things up, it's amazing the imagination you have. They have told this story over and over again. After their performance ended, the started realising what happened and they cried so much backstage
This channel just likes to do things for clot.
I never understood this fan wars stuff...really, fans need to grow the hell up! Live and let live. Just because someone stans another group than your faves don't mean you should harass others to the point of starting fights and whatnot else. I have always been very proud of the many groups I stan and love and I couldn't care less what other fans say. I love the music I am listening to and because I love music so much, there is not one single hair on my head that will only stan one group just because fans are making these rules, like why? There are worst things in the world and on top of that music should bring everyone together. Also hating on a girl group because they are hanging out with your favorite oppa's, like really? 😂😂😂 just read that again and am I the only one thinking that is ridicilous?
Super junior and Girls generation are literally brother and sister groups.
The Boyz & LOOΠΔ are literally brother & sister groups?
After 9 years, they finally released their new song “Forever 1”. Haters who criticized them during girls generation’s nightmare concert should learn their lesson for accusing them for all the things they done during that time.
After all SNSD are called The Nation's Girls Group and im pretty sure this shut their mouth🔥
I am SO happy about what happened in the 2013 concert. at least SNSD can get the appreciation they finally deserved!
I can't understand.....why do they do this😔😔😔😔..... it's so disappointing.......I'm sorry but you don't deserve to be called as fans....😢😢
Had me at Big bang and every other group😂😂
@Alien i don't know, I just thought her statement was funny
@Alien of course they were !! Every big name group fandom was toxic including ours Sones 🤣🤣 we were VICIOUS I'm telling you lool
Now we just laugh about it 🤣
This is too much!people need to stop being toxic..
I always imagine that two idols are politely friendly to each other if they see each other around and that’s it. I don’t make assumptions about who’s friends with who and who’s enemies with who.
I would protect Girls generation with all of my heart, I love them so much they cheered me up from stress depression.
I’m a multifan so I Stan so many groups lol 😂 I just appreciate them. Obviously I might be more bias with 2nd Gen because I grew up with them when I was a teen but I also like 3rd Gen groups. Maybe not as much with 4th Gen but I like Aespa so far since they aren’t minors thankfully. For 1st Gen I love Shinhwa because they are veterans like I have to respect 1st Gen or else there wouldn’t be a 2nd Gen
Fan wars are just so absurd. No matter how much you love your idol and care about them that does not give you the right to speak for them and bully other idols. At times some Fandom just keep clashing while their idols are literally bffs.
midzys and mys are fighting like crazy rn
4th gen fanwars got nothing on 2nd gen fanwars, wow. all we do is argue on twitter meanwhile 2nd gen fans went out of their way to humiliate not only the fans but the artist💀 I don't mean this as if i want the same thing ofc but this is just so merciless
and wow, ALL because snsd demonstrated that they were close to their male favs?? it's beyond understanding for me how people can develop parasocial relationship so strong. like i thought we all understand where fanservice is and that the best reaction to it is to giggle a lil,.cringe a lil and continue with your day but there are people that take it seriously and actually believe they have a chance with their favs??? it's so so far beyond me
I’m from 2022 and I can say everyday in twitter it is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000x worse.
These types of fans have their own mindset that their fav idols can't be friends with each other. They make scenarios in their mind imaging themselves with their idols and that is very childish, everything should be normalize. If a male and a female idol are talking to each other that doesn't always mean that they are dating. This should be stopped. I see so many fans fighting with each other for their idols in the comment section. Some fans have no idea how toxic they've become and these fans make the entire fandom toxic. These fans should live in reality
Totally agree with you......BUT I also feel that one of the main reasons could be their extreme hate towards a particular group that they don't want their idols to interact I feel. Idk I could be wrong but I somehow feel that's the root cause
@@nikkonikkoni8264 yeah that's also true. Some Blinks and army were spreading hate towards tae and Lisa. They both had a normal interaction. I saw so many inappropriate comments on her posts. Imagine if there fav idols got married or had a relationship how would these fans will react.
This is what stopped me from even being a kpop fan/Stan, the toxicity in the community shines BRIGHT and I just could not be apart of it. Some of these “fans” need to get a slap back to reality and to get a grip. I’m not out for those who genuinely like kpop and respect the idols, respect other people’s opinions, and aren’t obsessed stalkers who act like they are gonna date these idols even tho they aren’t, and don’t agree that kpop idols should not date and be skinny as a twig. Like I love kpop songs but the fact that this community can’t even be stable is just hard to stand with, and the fact these idols are real people just makes it worse as it’s not even fiction that we’re dealing with and people actually do get affected. 😐
This makes me question the point of fanwars to begin with, especially if it involves a really popular groups. These are the kind of moments that make me less proud of a K-pop fan, simply due to all the conspiracies and drama that happens not just between fandoms, but within the phantom's themselves as well. And it always breaks my heart when a fanwar happens right in front of my eyes and I don't realize it even happened until it settles down. This is kind of what makes me regret being a K-pop fan to begin with, and it always breaks my heart when the artists themselves get along well but the fanbases don't 😭😭
sometimes anti, hate, delusional, 'fanwar' thingy is just beyond comprehend, why can't them just like something without hating on another thing. I'm so glad that ppl around me who stan on a group never hate or doing anything stupid to group they do not stan.
Some of the new fans will never understand what it feels like to actually WITNESS these fan wars!!
Today's fanwars are a little mild compared to back then but you know why I still like 2nd gen over the last 2 gens ?? Is that they didn't give a flying fuck what fans said about them loool
Especially SNSD they were friends with EVERY boy group and didn't care AT ALL .
They are famous , talented , classy and are still the most respected girl group to this day , that's why they're the standard 👏👏
Fanwars exist every generation especially 1st and 2nd gen. The difference now is, fan wars and toxicity are now getting exposed because of social media. That's why people are now stressed out because of numerous articles and hate speech that can be seen in social media everyday.
As a fan of KPOP since 2008, my fangirling before only includes watching MV's, Variety shows and memorizing lyrics/choreographies (and I did this in the internet cafe only). That is why I am not really exposed to news like this not until 2011, where I had my own mobile phone and internet connection and finally got the chance to know more about KPOP and its dark side.
Maybe that's the reason why some of 2nd gen international fans always say "its better before, there's no fan war" because they were not really exposed to the world of fan war.
But one thing that I like before is, even toxic fans make an issue or bash an idol, 2nd gen idols still had the freedom to interact with other idols . While in this generation, fans and haters always keep an eye to the idols because internet is now accessible. A simple stare, laugh or touch can be distorted and turn it into an issue and will be posted in the internet right away.
It's unfortunate that I can see this happening again, at least in some modern form. Netizens can get crazy on the internet, man.
When ppl say fan wars are worse now….I’m like…no not even close its way calmed down now….still bad but nowhere near what second gen dealt with…
Bro as a multistan i never understood what is the point of fanwars, it's so alien to me
Fanwars are embarrassing, ignorant and ridiculous in my opinion. You can be a fan of multiple groups as each group and idol are not the same. And comparing each idol/group is just idiotic.
fan wars are so stupid when if u think bout it the idols r mostly friends with each other
i remember my sister who is elf did fanwar with dbsk fandom, even tho they r idol in same company. Girls generation fandom also had same experience with their sunbae fandom. I mean if they r so ruthless to one another (same company) imagine how barbaric so called sm stan are when doing fanwar with another company idol fandom
& now Girls Generation are forever legends!
As a fan of both group, I feel sad watching this. I hope FANWARS will end!