I faced a domestic violence charge with an intoxicated ex. The cops at my door wanted to rough me up. I saw it in their eyes..Had I not told my side of the story, initially not believed, They would have cuffed me right then. However, a Sheriff cadet was jogging by at 3 am and saw that she fell out of a car with liquor bottles falling out. She face planted and he came by, told me to dial 911. Our stories matched and I was saved from big trouble. Thanks dude, whoever you are in the Martinez Sheriff Dept.
In other words, what you said meant jack shit, and you almost went to jail on a DV charge that would have robbed you of your right to keep and bear arms because you felt you had to defend your good name, instead of force them to follow the law. (Instead of criminally assault you as you say they seemed to want)
A statement, even a brief one, after something as traumatic as a self-defense shooting is bound to have errors. The best thing is to only give a statement after the shock and adrenaline has worn off and only with a lawyer present. Never give a statement right after shooting.
Say Little Approach: 911 call: name, location, “I was attacked”, “I was in fear for my/their life”, “I had to defend myself/them”, request police and ambulance. Responding officers: Same as above, adding: identification of any exculpatory witnesses/evidence, request medical attention for yourself, “I assert/invoke my right to silence and an attorney.” Investigators: Say nothing. Assert your rights to silence/attorney.
I would reconsider using the phrase "I was in fear for my life" check out a video that the Armed Attorney's did about using that phrase. I think it's in one of their speaking with the police videos.
In my very first carry class years ago, the state police detective said something similar with a bit of a variance. "There's been a shooting" not "I shot someone, I was afraid, etc". The dispatcher is trained to try to get you to say things on the recorded line that will be used against you - don't play into it. When police arrive, "I'd love to cooperate with your investigation and make a statement however first I'd like to consult with an attorney" FULL STOP.
@@rrtnps I was going to mention that phrase thinking to police it will make the same impression as "I cant breath" repeated at ever increasing volume or "I didnt do anything" .
Your 911 call approach already has a huge flaw. It cements your legal theory. If your defense decides a different legal theory would have been better to argue in court than the one sentence one you gave the police, it's too late, unless you want prosecution to ask why your reason changed. Better: Get someone to call the police for you, and if you have to call them, keep it vague. "There's been a shooting. Send help. Here's the address. Goodbye."
The thing that makes this topic so harrowing is that there are lifelong consequences for each action. Defend yourself, say the wrong thing, and prison may be your new home. Do nothing, and you or your family member might be buried. Then add in the anti gun prosecuters and DAs, and it only makes this minefield more deadly. Thank you for these videos, I bought the book you suggested. I pray I never have to use my gun. I also realize that carrying a CCW is not something you just do. There's so much more. Where are you, what's behind you, who's behind your line of fire...
I agree with what you said, but one point sticks out- "...anti-gun prosecutors and DAs..." That's why I live in a Red state, where my home is my castle, and it is a God-given right to defend myself, my family, and my possessions. That should be taken into consideration, too. Living in a gun-hating blue state will get an innocent homeowner jailed waaaaay before the criminal breaking into his house. Peace!
@NegativeROG I live in a state that goes both ways, red and blue. We have the castle doctrine, too. Just be mindful that criminal court is one thing, and civil court is another. One can still be sued via civil court wise, and that can be VERY costly as well.
@@NegativeROG I mostly agree with your main idea but do you seriously think because you live in a ' Red State" the DA/Police etc are going to pat you on the back, high 5 you and say "Nice shootin, Tex" and just let you split? No, of course not. Sure, your chances might be better of not being tossed in prison, but, it's still their job to find fault and prosecute. I'm guessing there are lots of people in your state that get sent to prison for shootings. Like I said, I agree that you're better off in Texas than Cali. Again, i'm not trying to trash talk you but it's just not a simple situation based on Rep or Demo state or your political leanings. God, let's both hope neither of us has to use the guns for anything other than hunting or training!
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2veopinions vary and every situation is different and can play out several ways. Just know if you could have walked away from a scenario they will expose it. If you’re truly justified then you really won’t have to explain that there was no other choice. Don’t point it if you aren’t willing to destroy it because if and when it happens everything has already gone wrong. I understand why you are thinking what you are but not everything is always cut and dry. And in a liberal state you better be in the right.
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2ve "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . " _YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter . But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use . *DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS* for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
@@VeritasAequitas617 - "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . " _YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter . But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use . *DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS* for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
Problem is, most people will have a hard time composing such a brief statement well, and then resisting police pressure to continue interrogation. The best thing is to have *you're attorney* make a brief statement. I find it very hard to believe that your example case was represented by counsel, because an attorney would have already developed a narrative a spoken with investigators long before court
Yes sir, agree. I'm both a USCCA and NRA member and yes on the rear of my USCCA membership card it states the brief statement as follows... Comply: Follow all police instructions Explain: " I was attacked, feared for my life and had to defend myself". Identify: Point out evidence witnesses and attacker. Medical: Is request medical attention, if necessary. Silence: " I will cooperate 100%, but first I need my attorney". (Do not talk further without your lawyer present.)
I love the way Mr. Ayoob presents his videos. He is very thoughtful in his presentations. As a first time gun owner at 63y.o., any insights he has that might apply to me now or in the future, I will take to heart. So thank you Mr. Ayoob, you have just gained another subscriber.
I had a self defense shooting. I remembered Mr Ayoob's advice. The man that I had to shoot passed away, I didn't go to jail. Just wanted to say thank you for the experience and advice on this channel.
@@jason200912 Nothing. There was no trial. I do carry FLP, and got a lawyer at no cost. But the police took my case to the District Attorney as a self defense shooting. The District Attorney reviewed the evidence and the case, and no charges were filed.
Without getting into too much detail, I should state the man was caught on camera threatening me with a weapon, and advancing on me. So, it was fairly open and shut. I did not know about the camera evidence until after the district attorney declined charges.
Before I received my conceal carry permit over 30 years ago, I purchased and read the guide recommended by the Sheriff's Office "A Consolidated Guide To Firearms Laws & Licensing". It was a must-read at the time. Massad's 2nd Edition "Deadly Force" was so far beyond that old guide that I would go as far as to say that anyone carrying without knowing the concepts in that book should not be doing so. This video touches on Chapter 14, "After the Shooting". But there is so much more mental preparedness needed that everyone needs throughout those pages. It can’t be easy to boil down such a complex subject into something that the average citizen can absorb. Thank you, Massad!
I love following Massad. Most of us on here are experienced shooters and practice both self defense and home defense situations on a regular basis. However it is information like this that can be critical to not having to be removed from your family that you had just protected. This is pure gold...please pay attention.
Being arrested is FAR from the worst case. Going to prison for decades is. That's what ACTUAL defense attorneys are trying to avoid. They don't care if you get arrested (at least at a high level) - they want to keep you out of prison. That should be your goal too. You don't know at the time if others will view this as a good shoot.
We need a workshop on what a brief statement sounds like, and perhaps some practice writing exercises and role playing with various personality types typically seen in the field of law enforcement. Thank you.
It’s very important that after your “brief statement” that you state, out loud, that you wish to speak to your attorney, AND you wish to remain silent. Some police CAN take complete silence (not asserting your right to remain silent) as an admission of guilt. Make certain you say, “I assert my right to remain silent until I consult my attorney.”
Remember what Rittenhouse trial Judge Bruce Schroeder told District Attorney Binger after Binger mentioned during the trial that Rittenhouse chose to remain silent? It doesn't matter what the police think in this circumstance. They're not the lawyers, judge, or jury. Your premise is incorrect.
Yeah it’s called the 5th Amendment loophole. Silence can mean guilt unless you expressly say you are exercising your right to remain silent until your attorney is present.
Interesting how MA brought up the Armed Attys who are on IG too 🤳🏼. I've watched their video content now for around 12mo. More ccw users & armed officers: security, LE, corrections need to understand case law 📂 legal use of force events.
Yea, he's a good cop. But he's also an advocate for the cops, and there are way more crooks among cops than he lets on. Your lawyer is your advocate. That nice detective who acts like your friend is not your advocate. Their job is important. In my view, waiving your rights does not generally help them.
Brought back memories of a Police shooting in Australia at Hornsby where a female Police officer opened fire on a mental guy who escaped a psych hospital with a knife in a busy mall. Yep bullets fired and 3 innocent people were shot. Police confirmed Sourian (the knife man) did not stab anyone and the three bystanders were shot, who include an 82-year-old woman and 65-year-old woman, are in a stable condition in hospital.Footage from seconds after the shooting shows the female police officer apologising to one of the elderly women who had been shot. Remember this is gun free Australia and this shooting went VERY quiet after the event. The Police have magical powers after these shootings. Joe Public has nil magic powers.
Massad .., I respect what you say so much . That I re watch your early videos and still find them interesting , because each time I do... I learn something I missed.
I have been following you for several decades, in your articles and videos. Thank you for so many years of enjoyable information. You are my "most trusted" gun guy.
Thank you for all you do! I share many of your videos on my humble Facebook group. I am currently in a battle with Facebook over “ community standards “. I will keep posting Xcellent information such as this. Thanks again for all you do! Tom
Thank you, sir for teaching common sense. I really enjoy your videos and appreciate everything you do for the community. I stopped watching the video to buy the book and then came back to finish the video. Thank you.
Mas, Always great to hear you, sir! As both a combat infantry man in Vietnam, special forces, army ranger involved in more than one shooting in combat. As a certified Peace Officer in the state of Texas, US Army, criminal investigator, a Texas district attorney investigator. I’ve also been involved in more than one LEO shooting. I couldn’t agree more with what you relayed in this video to everyone who cares to listen. I think it would be the rare law enforcement official, who would go to any length to get someone to incriminate themselves in a self-defense shooting I know I never would have and no one I ever worked with would have. We would have gotten what we needed. Made sure they didn’t need any medical or mental health treatment, because, as you well know, the effects of taking another persons life are immense. The brief statement is exactly what needs to be said. After all of my critical incidents after calling for back up, and an ambulance, no matter what an ambulance, the next call, I asked to be made was to the Texas Ranger. And I have the great fortune of having, an outstanding Texas Ranger investigate my shootings in the panhandle of Texas. Thank you very much Mas for what you done to keep all of us out of jail! L O L!
When I took my classes at Thunder Ranch - The recommendation was to briefly state that state the situation and that you were in fear for your life and that you had eliminated the threat and that you would cooperate after speaking to your attorney. Then say goodbye to your firearm. Also when the case goes to court the prosecutor will recount that brief statement that you gave. Made a lot of sense to me
An interesting thing as the the two lawyers from the Armed Attorney's channel that Ayoob mentions in this video says _not_ to say you were in fear of your life -- don't use those exact words, at any rate. As they advise, you most certainly _do_ want to convey the information to the detectives investigating the incident that you were in fear of your life, you just don't want to do it with that exact phrase. According to them, it's become such a commonly heard phrase in such incidents, that it now sounds like something memorized and repeated back, and this makes it sound artificial, and therefore likely to arouse at least some suspicion. They advise you to say something else that comes across as more natural, such as "he was gonna kill me!" or "I'm sure he meant to kill me," or "I thought I was about to die!" or something along those lines.
I love when Mr. Ayoob starts yelling and getting mad. The passion is there. Love it!!!! Thank you for this video. It is something we all should know. Keep up the great work!!
Mr. Ayoob, please go into detail about putting your hand on your gun, displaying it at low ready, pointing but not firing. Actions that one might take in a dangerous situation short of pulling the trigger.
Yes. I want this. With overeager DAs, letting your gun be seen is brandishing. How can you inform a potential perp they should move along without being charged?
@@dagneytaggart7707 Not answering on Massad behalf but it depends on the situation to say if your brandishing or having it in a ready position because of the reasonable threat you perceived.
On dealing with a drunken fool who wanted to start a fight, an ex-con I knew told him "Please don't make me go back to jail. I don't want to go back there for another 32 months. Please just leave me alone." Seeing that this guy was sincere and unflinching the drunk thought about it for a few moments then walked off grumbling.
@@dagneytaggart7707 In SC merely letting your firearm be seen in any identifiable part is illegal. I know someone who got nailed for setting a rifle next to the door inside of his house because in doing that he was visible to the troublemaker who was at the street yelling at him. Know your laws.
Thank You for all the experience you have and share with all sources of social media. I am disabled with multiple spinal cord injuries, but still able to function. I am commenting to you if you could please take the time to share with people watching your videos about disabled people can learn more legal ways of protecting themselves. I live in California , to protect myself in public I carry all means of weapons to defend myself per the state of california laws. (bear spray, pepper spray, a knife, my dog.) I wonder if you could give more insight how people with disabilities can prepare themselves. All the videos on social media talk about how people can defend themselves per the state laws that they live in, but nothing on the internet explains how disabled people can protect themselves. Thank you once again for your professional insight on self protection. Thanks
Retired FTO/PPO, and doing my due diligence, my renewal for Armed Citizens is coming up. While I wasn't planning on jumping ship, I do shop around every year to see what else is new and their assorted angles. Knowing what I do about field investigations, I'm 100% on board with the Brief Statement, or as every training officer will tell you, 'Just The Facts, Jack'. Point of the matter here, the singular highlight in this video for me was the point of view of 'the brass' on these defensive shooting coverage companies and what they tell their members. Knowing that weeds out future trouble indeed, but from the consumer side, Mas saved me A Lot of digging on that point as you'll likely not find that on the plan literature.
Wow thank you for sharing that pg. 122 point from Duane's book! I actually had the book right next my couch here and went there right away and he does say to give a short statement!
As always Massad, you are the Sage that we need to have access to. I have followed you over the years, starting when I purchased my first box of Black Talons. Thank you for continuing to provide us with rock solid information!
As Massad Ayoob clearly states: if you carry a loaded gun, you CARRY the lawful accountable & legal obligations. In 2024 there's no "yee haw" f*** the law or the 2A is my carry permit" trash! As Active Self Protection says; you won't be at my gun fight & I won't be at yours!
Never been in a shooting but as a Paramedic have been called to many shooting scenes. I have had many folks babble and then what I call brain run so fast that mouth couldn't keep up was truly weird.
@@zachansen8293 Daniel Perry was convicted of murdering Garrett Foster here in Austin was because he gave statements that changed. Tom Grieve podcast spoke about why this happens, and I believe that this channel spoke about it. There is a very fine line between cooperating with law enforcement after a use of deadly force, and saying too much. The defense attorney for Mr. Perry spoke about the case after the verdict, and had several issues with the jurors on the case. Ultimately, the judge felt that the issues could be addressed by his jury instructions.
@@ThomasHarrison-u8l Definitely a fine line. If you choose to carry a weapon, you have a responsibility to think in advance about that line. Not cool to see people stressed out, traumatized and then say something bad cops or the prosecutor will twist around.
Thank you for the update . Your insight and advice from experience is greatly appreciated! Like many I have been told both sides , ultimately each person needs to decide in advance what course they will follow or you may screw yourself up in a time of crisis.
@@zachansen8293 I would bet money that Massad has been involved in far many shooting cases in court than probably any lawyer in the world. I've seen some online videos from actual lawyers, lawyers who claim to be Constitutional attorneys and 2nd Amendment attorneys who are absolute idiots and who clearly have almost no understanding of the Constitution, its history, the history of cases, and the 2nd Amendment. Additionally, but separately from that, consider also that The Brady organization, and Everytown, etc., are all staffed with lawyers who literally are experienced 2nd Amendment attorneys. Being a Constitutional or 2nd Amendment attorney does not, by itself, say a thing about the motivation or experience of a person. There's no certification standard for being either. There are laws that limit who can say they are attorneys but there are none about who can add the Constitutional or 2nd Amendment qualification to their being an attorney.
I faced a domestic violence charge with an intoxicated ex. The cops at my door wanted to rough me up. I saw it in their eyes..Had I not told my side of the story, initially not believed, They would have cuffed me right then. However, a Sheriff cadet was jogging by at 3 am and saw that she fell out of a car with liquor bottles falling out. She face planted and he came by, told me to dial 911. Our stories matched and I was saved from big trouble. Thanks dude, whoever you are in the Martinez Sheriff Dept.
In other words, what you said meant jack shit, and you almost went to jail on a DV charge that would have robbed you of your right to keep and bear arms because you felt you had to defend your good name, instead of force them to follow the law. (Instead of criminally assault you as you say they seemed to want)
@@morgan3688100%.. ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU! ANYTHING YOU SAY.. Not maybe used for you. AGAINST YOU. Anything you say.
So she got drunk, you beat her, and what ..?
yep. lose my contractors license. single parent 15 years ago. It would have been a mess.@@morgan3688
This post made absolutely no sense.
A statement, even a brief one, after something as traumatic as a self-defense shooting is bound to have errors. The best thing is to only give a statement after the shock and adrenaline has worn off and only with a lawyer present. Never give a statement right after shooting.
Say Little Approach:
911 call: name, location, “I was attacked”, “I was in fear for my/their life”, “I had to defend myself/them”, request police and ambulance.
Responding officers: Same as above, adding: identification of any exculpatory witnesses/evidence, request medical attention for yourself, “I assert/invoke my right to silence and an attorney.”
Investigators: Say nothing. Assert your rights to silence/attorney.
I would reconsider using the phrase "I was in fear for my life" check out a video that the Armed Attorney's did about using that phrase. I think it's in one of their speaking with the police videos.
In my very first carry class years ago, the state police detective said something similar with a bit of a variance. "There's been a shooting" not "I shot someone, I was afraid, etc". The dispatcher is trained to try to get you to say things on the recorded line that will be used against you - don't play into it. When police arrive, "I'd love to cooperate with your investigation and make a statement however first I'd like to consult with an attorney" FULL STOP.
@@rrtnps I was going to mention that phrase thinking to police it will make the same impression as "I cant breath" repeated at ever increasing volume or "I didnt do anything" .
Your 911 call approach already has a huge flaw. It cements your legal theory. If your defense decides a different legal theory would have been better to argue in court than the one sentence one you gave the police, it's too late, unless you want prosecution to ask why your reason changed.
Better: Get someone to call the police for you, and if you have to call them, keep it vague. "There's been a shooting. Send help. Here's the address. Goodbye."
@@britainreynolds7365 agreed 100% don't say anything other than reporting the shooting
As someone who’s been in a shooting. Don’t talk to the police. They are not there to help you.
Agreed. At most, maybe a general statement of self defense, stand your ground... but never go into details.
They there to convict you and take your rights and guns away
The thing that makes this topic so harrowing is that there are lifelong consequences for each action. Defend yourself, say the wrong thing, and prison may be your new home. Do nothing, and you or your family member might be buried. Then add in the anti gun prosecuters and DAs, and it only makes this minefield more deadly. Thank you for these videos, I bought the book you suggested. I pray I never have to use my gun. I also realize that carrying a CCW is not something you just do. There's so much more. Where are you, what's behind you, who's behind your line of fire...
I agree with what you said, but one point sticks out- "...anti-gun prosecutors and DAs..." That's why I live in a Red state, where my home is my castle, and it is a God-given right to defend myself, my family, and my possessions. That should be taken into consideration, too. Living in a gun-hating blue state will get an innocent homeowner jailed waaaaay before the criminal breaking into his house. Peace!
@NegativeROG I live in a state that goes both ways, red and blue. We have the castle doctrine, too. Just be mindful that criminal court is one thing, and civil court is another. One can still be sued via civil court wise, and that can be VERY costly as well.
@@NegativeROG I mostly agree with your main idea but do you seriously think because you live in a ' Red State" the DA/Police etc are going to pat you on the back, high 5 you and say "Nice shootin, Tex" and just let you split? No, of course not. Sure, your chances might be better of not being tossed in prison, but, it's still their job to find fault and prosecute. I'm guessing there are lots of people in your state that get sent to prison for shootings. Like I said, I agree that you're better off in Texas than Cali. Again, i'm not trying to trash talk you but it's just not a simple situation based on Rep or Demo state or your political leanings. God, let's both hope neither of us has to use the guns for anything other than hunting or training!
Let's not forget that even if you do get found not guilty that you're looking at thousands to tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees.
NO Y-T "Read more" . Where's the end of your comment ?
Always drop in for Massad he is the best they got for the videos
Not on this one lol
Except when it comes to making your case immensely harder to win in court, apparently
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2veopinions vary and every situation is different and can play out several ways. Just know if you could have walked away from a scenario they will expose it. If you’re truly justified then you really won’t have to explain that there was no other choice. Don’t point it if you aren’t willing to destroy it because if and when it happens everything has already gone wrong. I understand why you are thinking what you are but not everything is always cut and dry. And in a liberal state you better be in the right.
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2ve "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . "
_YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter .
But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use .
*DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS*
for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
@@VeritasAequitas617 - "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . "
_YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter .
But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use .
*DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS*
for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
Problem is, most people will have a hard time composing such a brief statement well, and then resisting police pressure to continue interrogation.
The best thing is to have *you're attorney* make a brief statement.
I find it very hard to believe that your example case was represented by counsel, because an attorney would have already developed a narrative a spoken with investigators long before court
Yes sir, agree. I'm both a USCCA and NRA member and yes on the rear of my USCCA membership card it states the brief statement as follows...
Comply: Follow all police instructions
Explain: " I was attacked, feared for my life and had to defend myself".
Identify: Point out evidence witnesses and attacker.
Medical: Is request medical attention, if necessary.
Silence: " I will cooperate 100%, but first I need my attorney".
(Do not talk further without your lawyer present.)
Thanks for your videos! Always sound reasoning and advice.
Excellent! Thanks Mas for sharing your knowlege and wisdom. Its priceless.👍
I love the way Mr. Ayoob presents his videos. He is very thoughtful in his presentations. As a first time gun owner at 63y.o., any insights he has that might apply to me now or in the future, I will take to heart. So thank you Mr. Ayoob, you have just gained another subscriber.
Never talk to the police for any reason ever.
Cop: "Hey how are you?" You: "I'm, not talking to the police I want a lawyer!"
Thanks Massad. Always interesting and your message is heard.
I had a self defense shooting. I remembered Mr Ayoob's advice. The man that I had to shoot passed away, I didn't go to jail.
Just wanted to say thank you for the experience and advice on this channel.
How much did your legal fees cost
@@jason200912 Nothing.
There was no trial.
I do carry FLP, and got a lawyer at no cost.
But the police took my case to the District Attorney as a self defense shooting.
The District Attorney reviewed the evidence and the case, and no charges were filed.
Without getting into too much detail, I should state the man was caught on camera threatening me with a weapon, and advancing on me.
So, it was fairly open and shut.
I did not know about the camera evidence until after the district attorney declined charges.
Before I received my conceal carry permit over 30 years ago, I purchased and read the guide recommended by the Sheriff's Office "A Consolidated Guide To Firearms Laws & Licensing". It was a must-read at the time.
Massad's 2nd Edition "Deadly Force" was so far beyond that old guide that I would go as far as to say that anyone carrying without knowing the concepts in that book should not be doing so.
This video touches on Chapter 14, "After the Shooting". But there is so much more mental preparedness needed that everyone needs throughout those pages.
It can’t be easy to boil down such a complex subject into something that the average citizen can absorb. Thank you, Massad!
I love following Massad.
Most of us on here are experienced shooters and practice both self defense and home defense situations on a regular basis. However it is information like this that can be critical to not having to be removed from your family that you had just protected.
This is pure gold...please pay attention.
Yeah - I've been shooting for 45 years now, but sometimes I watch his videos and feel like I've never even saw a gun before.
Being arrested is FAR from the worst case. Going to prison for decades is. That's what ACTUAL defense attorneys are trying to avoid. They don't care if you get arrested (at least at a high level) - they want to keep you out of prison. That should be your goal too. You don't know at the time if others will view this as a good shoot.
We need a workshop on what a brief statement sounds like, and perhaps some practice writing exercises and role playing with various personality types typically seen in the field of law enforcement. Thank you.
It’s very important that after your “brief statement” that you state, out loud, that you wish to speak to your attorney, AND you wish to remain silent. Some police CAN take complete silence (not asserting your right to remain silent) as an admission of guilt. Make certain you say, “I assert my right to remain silent until I consult my attorney.”
Remember what Rittenhouse trial Judge Bruce Schroeder told District Attorney Binger after Binger mentioned during the trial that Rittenhouse chose to remain silent? It doesn't matter what the police think in this circumstance. They're not the lawyers, judge, or jury. Your premise is incorrect.
Wrong. Supreme Court ruled that if you answered any questions. Then stop. That can be considered admission of guilt.
Yeah it’s called the 5th Amendment loophole. Silence can mean guilt unless you expressly say you are exercising your right to remain silent until your attorney is present.
"Some police CAN take complete silence (not asserting your right to remain silent) as an admission of guilt."
Please provide a source.
As always your advise is spot on based on “experience “.
Thank you, Massad. I appreciate the balanced advise.
Massad is very passionate about law abiding citizens and keeping them informed.
Interesting how MA brought up the Armed Attys who are on IG too 🤳🏼. I've watched their video content now for around 12mo. More ccw users & armed officers: security, LE, corrections need to understand case law 📂 legal use of force events.
Yea, he's a good cop. But he's also an advocate for the cops, and there are way more crooks among cops than he lets on. Your lawyer is your advocate. That nice detective who acts like your friend is not your advocate. Their job is important. In my view, waiving your rights does not generally help them.
I am so thank full for Mr. Ayoob's teaching. God Bless you Sir and your family.
Brought back memories of a Police shooting in Australia at Hornsby where a female Police officer opened fire on a mental guy who escaped a psych hospital with a knife in a busy mall. Yep bullets fired and 3 innocent people were shot. Police confirmed Sourian (the knife man) did not stab anyone and the three bystanders were shot, who include an 82-year-old woman and 65-year-old woman, are in a stable condition in hospital.Footage from seconds after the shooting shows the female police officer apologising to one of the elderly women who had been shot. Remember this is gun free Australia and this shooting went VERY quiet after the event. The Police have magical powers after these shootings. Joe Public has nil magic powers.
Very powerful content. Thanks!
Thank you for your wise words, Mas.
Massad .., I respect what you say so much . That I re watch your early videos and still find them interesting , because each time I do... I learn something I missed.
I could listen to Massad all day long. Always learning from him
I have been following you for several decades, in your articles and videos.
Thank you for so many years of enjoyable information.
You are my "most trusted" gun guy.
Thank you for all you do! I share many of your videos on my humble Facebook group. I am currently in a battle with Facebook over “ community standards “. I will keep posting Xcellent information such as this.
Thanks again for all you do!
Tom
Always the best. Clear and concise.
Would also recommend Deadly Force by Massad Ayoob. Good read, 333 pages, and you get a copy when you join ACLDN
The BEST advice, period.
Nice video. Thank you.
Thank you, sir for teaching common sense. I really enjoy your videos and appreciate everything you do for the community. I stopped watching the video to buy the book and then came back to finish the video. Thank you.
Very well spoken and articulated.
"Duh"🤣🤣 The most serious use of that phrase ever. Love your channel, thanks for the advice.
Drop mic. Very informative. Supported. And with healthy doses of expertise and common sense. Thank you Massad.
Very wise advice, thank you.
Love Critical Mass! Excellent advice.
Good advice Mas!
Thanks again Massad for giving us information that could save our lives and our freedom.
Mas,
Always great to hear you, sir! As both a combat infantry man in Vietnam, special forces, army ranger involved in more than one shooting in combat. As a certified Peace Officer in the state of Texas, US Army, criminal investigator, a Texas district attorney investigator. I’ve also been involved in more than one LEO shooting. I couldn’t agree more with what you relayed in this video to everyone who cares to listen. I think it would be the rare law enforcement official, who would go to any length to get someone to incriminate themselves in a self-defense shooting I know I never would have and no one I ever worked with would have. We would have gotten what we needed. Made sure they didn’t need any medical or mental health treatment, because, as you well know, the effects of taking another persons life are immense. The brief statement is exactly what needs to be said. After all of my critical incidents after calling for back up, and an ambulance, no matter what an ambulance, the next call, I asked to be made was to the Texas Ranger. And I have the great fortune of having, an outstanding Texas Ranger investigate my shootings in the panhandle of Texas. Thank you very much Mas for what you done to keep all of us out of jail! L O L!
Thank you for your service.
Thanks 🎉
This is very informative. I appreciate the idea of a brief statement.
As always a reasoned, well presented, and excellent presentation by Mr. Ayoob.
Thanks, Massad 👍
Excellent advice as always!
When I took my classes at Thunder Ranch - The recommendation was to briefly state that state the situation and that you were in fear for your life and that you had eliminated the threat and that you would cooperate after speaking to your attorney. Then say goodbye to your firearm. Also when the case goes to court the prosecutor will recount that brief statement that you gave. Made a lot of sense to me
An interesting thing as the the two lawyers from the Armed Attorney's channel that Ayoob mentions in this video says _not_ to say you were in fear of your life -- don't use those exact words, at any rate. As they advise, you most certainly _do_ want to convey the information to the detectives investigating the incident that you were in fear of your life, you just don't want to do it with that exact phrase. According to them, it's become such a commonly heard phrase in such incidents, that it now sounds like something memorized and repeated back, and this makes it sound artificial, and therefore likely to arouse at least some suspicion. They advise you to say something else that comes across as more natural, such as "he was gonna kill me!" or "I'm sure he meant to kill me," or "I thought I was about to die!" or something along those lines.
I love when Mr. Ayoob starts yelling and getting mad. The passion is there. Love it!!!! Thank you for this video. It is something we all should know. Keep up the great work!!
Another beautifully written and spoken video. The world needs you.
Thanks, very good advice, most appreciated. Regards
Mr. Ayoob, please go into detail about putting your hand on your gun, displaying it at low ready, pointing but not firing. Actions that one might take in a dangerous situation short of pulling the trigger.
Yes. I want this. With overeager DAs, letting your gun be seen is brandishing. How can you inform a potential perp they should move along without being charged?
The Armed Attorneys covered that pretty well in one of their videos. Check it out, definitely worth a watch.
@@dagneytaggart7707 Not answering on Massad behalf but it depends on the situation to say if your brandishing or having it in a ready position because of the reasonable threat you perceived.
On dealing with a drunken fool who wanted to start a fight, an ex-con I knew told him "Please don't make me go back to jail. I don't want to go back there for another 32 months. Please just leave me alone." Seeing that this guy was sincere and unflinching the drunk thought about it for a few moments then walked off grumbling.
@@dagneytaggart7707 In SC merely letting your firearm be seen in any identifiable part is illegal. I know someone who got nailed for setting a rifle next to the door inside of his house because in doing that he was visible to the troublemaker who was at the street yelling at him. Know your laws.
Thank You for all the experience you have and share with all sources of social media. I am disabled with multiple spinal cord injuries, but still able to function. I am commenting to you if you could please take the time to share with people watching your videos about disabled people can learn more legal ways of protecting themselves. I live in California , to protect myself in public I carry all means of weapons to defend myself per the state of california laws. (bear spray, pepper spray, a knife, my dog.) I wonder if you could give more insight how people with disabilities can prepare themselves. All the videos on social media talk about how people can defend themselves per the state laws that they live in, but nothing on the internet explains how disabled people can protect themselves. Thank you once again for your professional insight on self protection. Thanks
Thanks Mas!
I agree. Thanks for the video.
Excellent, as always!
Great Video and advice Mr. Ayoob.
Thank you sir! I am always willing to listen and take advice from an experienced person who "has been there."
I remember seeing that Prof Duane video. He had some convincing points. As always, Mr. Ayoub has the best practical advice.
Very informative Massad. Thanks
Outstanding! Thank you.
I am so happy my Lawyer is my neighbor.
Give us his number and name
As usual no nonsense solid information. Being "in fear for my and my loved ones lives" stands.
Retired FTO/PPO, and doing my due diligence, my renewal for Armed Citizens is coming up. While I wasn't planning on jumping ship, I do shop around every year to see what else is new and their assorted angles. Knowing what I do about field investigations, I'm 100% on board with the Brief Statement, or as every training officer will tell you, 'Just The Facts, Jack'.
Point of the matter here, the singular highlight in this video for me was the point of view of 'the brass' on these defensive shooting coverage companies and what they tell their members. Knowing that weeds out future trouble indeed, but from the consumer side, Mas saved me A Lot of digging on that point as you'll likely not find that on the plan literature.
As usual thanks for your insight and expertise.
great video. Thanks for your advice.
Wow thank you for sharing that pg. 122 point from Duane's book! I actually had the book right next my couch here and went there right away and he does say to give a short statement!
So, in a nutshell, what would be the short statement ? Thank you in advance for your answer.
Excellent clarity thank you
Thanks Massad.
As always Massad, you are the Sage that we need to have access to. I have followed you over the years, starting when I purchased my first box of Black Talons. Thank you for continuing to provide us with rock solid information!
Excellent advice!
Thanks, Mas. I subscribed to the law of self-defense and will watch Duane's offerings.
Thanks
Injoy your and Mt Wilson's no BS posts
Sage advice, thank you for explaining this. I hope I never need to use it but now I'm prepared for the worst.
As Massad Ayoob clearly states: if you carry a loaded gun, you CARRY the lawful accountable & legal obligations. In 2024 there's no "yee haw" f*** the law or the 2A is my carry permit" trash! As Active Self Protection says; you won't be at my gun fight & I won't be at yours!
Never been in a shooting but as a Paramedic have been called to many shooting scenes. I have had many folks babble and then what I call brain run so fast that mouth couldn't keep up was truly weird.
I absolutely love this guy.
I've been in a number of confrontations throughout my life. God be praised I descellated the situation.
Always great advice
Great information to have...
Thank you. 🙏🦅🇺🇸👍😎
Thank you, very good info for me ...
I follow the Armed Attorneys channel. The things you learn from them is gold.
Are they willing to be your self defense attorney? AOR is. They say "just shut up"
@@zachansen8293
Daniel Perry was convicted of murdering Garrett Foster here in Austin was because he gave statements that changed. Tom Grieve podcast spoke about why this happens, and I believe that this channel spoke about it. There is a very fine line between cooperating with law enforcement after a use of deadly force, and saying too much. The defense attorney for Mr. Perry spoke about the case after the verdict, and had several issues with the jurors on the case. Ultimately, the judge felt that the issues could be addressed by his jury instructions.
@@ThomasHarrison-u8l Definitely a fine line. If you choose to carry a weapon, you have a responsibility to think in advance about that line. Not cool to see people stressed out, traumatized and then say something bad cops or the prosecutor will twist around.
As usual, great pointers from Mas!
Thanks Mr. Ayoob, pretty much what my CC instructor said.
Excellent video!!!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep them coming please.
Just wanted to say out of all gun related RUclips channels Massad gives the best advice in my opinion!
Thanks, Mas, good content.
Thank you for the update . Your insight and advice from experience is greatly appreciated!
Like many I have been told both sides , ultimately each person needs to decide in advance what course they will follow or you may screw yourself up in a time of crisis.
Good advice
Great Advice, as always.
Always worth listening to Massad Ayoob. The man is nothing short of a national treasure.
When actual defense lawyers say that he's wrong, then you have to be careful what you're listening to.
@@zachansen8293 I would bet money that Massad has been involved in far many shooting cases in court than probably any lawyer in the world. I've seen some online videos from actual lawyers, lawyers who claim to be Constitutional attorneys and 2nd Amendment attorneys who are absolute idiots and who clearly have almost no understanding of the Constitution, its history, the history of cases, and the 2nd Amendment. Additionally, but separately from that, consider also that The Brady organization, and Everytown, etc., are all staffed with lawyers who literally are experienced 2nd Amendment attorneys. Being a Constitutional or 2nd Amendment attorney does not, by itself, say a thing about the motivation or experience of a person. There's no certification standard for being either. There are laws that limit who can say they are attorneys but there are none about who can add the Constitutional or 2nd Amendment qualification to their being an attorney.
Listen to him but he. is. not. a. lawyer.
Awsome information
Always good content from Massad.
Great video, as usual. Thank you, sir!
Thank you 😊
Thank you for your advice
As always you hit the nail on the head. Thanks again for more great advice. Is it possible to tour the Wilson factory and meet you and Bill?
Good information.
Always great ideas Massad!