I had to work some long hours on this, trying to get it out in a reasonable time frame. I hope you enjoy what is an episode about, in my opinion, one of the most influential people in modern armwrestling. As always, I'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments. I tried my best to keep it interesting but I'm sure this episode will attract a couple of mixed reviews. I welcome it!
Another excellent video! It really is hard to imagine where the sport would be right now without Igor’s involvement. He did so much to make the sport more professional.
Jeeze! Igor was super jacked when he was younger. I'm in great shape and he makes me look tiny. He's clearly a taller man as well. Based on his photos next to Cyplenkov and Pushkar I'd guess hes maybe 6'3". He has a very interesting AW history going back 3 decades. As always, i appreciate the quality work AW'ing historian!
Very interesting video and one of the most anticipated topics for me as a Polish person. Mazurenko is a very "gray" person, but there is simply no way to deny what this man has done for the sport by promoting it, designing the tables and the equipment that are both the golden standard in every armwrestling club in the world.
It bothers me how I can already phantom that I'll be watching one of your videos in the near future and commenting how I watched your videos before you had 1 million subs
20 years of Zloty Turs, other tournaments under the PAL banner, Vendetta supermatches, and what I would describe as the pinnacle of what he did, the Top 8 which truly represented the highest level of armwrestling as a supermatch format. The athletes had 3 fixed dates for the Top 8 in Malaysia, China, Poland with 3~ months between each stage which allowed them to truly prepare to the best of their ability. I loved to watch it and also for the content that was produced around it.
@@TimmyTurner421 Personally I always believed Top 8 to be the dumbest idea of all. Having a limited roster of 8 athletes is stupid. Having random drafts among those 8 athletes is beyond stupid. Half of the matches happening there had no sense at all. If that's the pinnacle then I struggle to fathom what would you call EvW, KoTT, WAL or old Arm Wars which all had way better matchups and eventful fights. I'm so happy Top 8 died this fast. It would've died naturally anyway but luckily it did not impede AW for much longer by having athletes on a leash and effectively preventing better matches from happening.
@@datbunneh3671 Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man. It really doesn't matter what you think, the reality was that Top 8 had the best armwrestlers on the planet at that time all facing each other. I don't give a damn if the matches entertained you or not. You realize that armwrestling is also a sport, and not exlusively entertainment? I wanted to see who is the #1 armwrestler on the planet and the Top 8 ultimately determined that this human being is Levan Saginashvili. "If that's the pinnacle then I struggle to fathom what would you call EvW, KoTT, WAL" What a silly comment. I said Top 8 was the pinnacle of what he did. I didn't say the Top 8 is the pinnacle of all time. Perhaps you lack reading comprehension? I would suggest you to read my comment again. Btw, KOTT and EvW didn't even exist back then. Completely irrelevant to the comment I made. You must be new to armwrestling. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got better things to do than educating random people on the internet.
@@TimmyTurner421 Wow. Nice to have *the best* (arguably) arm wrestlers on the planet facing each other... but forget to mention they were all from at least three separate weight classes. Yes, right. Just 8 athletes from different weight classes. Glorious. Did somebody just mention AW being a sport and trying to *educate* people? Of course you could argue that it's "open" class yada-yada. But yeah, let's put Prokopchuk against Levan then. The guy is also the best, right? That match makes total sense, ain't it? And even in terms of what Mazurenko did a regular Vendetta was the apex of his creation and not Top 8. Because it had cherry picked matches that people actually wanted to see and not some retarded random draft among a fixed roster. And don't forget, your opinion is also just an opinion Mr. Teacher Educator sir.
As ever this channel is a total treasure trove for those like myself who have only followed the sport since lockdown. Your talent shines brightly again and again AH. P.s - Thankfully i just finished sipping my coffee when I saw "FAP - Really?!!!" 😂😂😂 Thanks so much for your efforts. MB.👍❤️💪😎🍺
Thanks as always, MB! And you're very welcome. This episode was a lot of fun to make, as I decided to try a couple of more out there things. FAP is such an unfortunate name
if he only didnt wanted to control/restrict his athletes, his brand could have become the ufc of armwrestling today... he had all the structure, all contacts, money invested etc, but the mind wasnt there for it... so happy engin and kott (with a figure like larry wheels to promote it up) showed up to compete with his brand and show how things should be done for the best of the sport itself, not bureaucratic organizations. if they werent there, probably igor's archaic/controlling view of armwrestling promotion would dominate the sport even more today, hiding behind the figure of levan (who was their main athlete/figure to promote their brand)
Awesome video I really wanted context on who he was and where he went overall hes been a positive influence on the arm wrestling as a whole even if some decisions he made were that of a pure business mindset.
When it comes to the world of sports, armwrestling seems to be unique in the sense that it seems to follow the UFC path. What I mean by that is the blend of sports and entertainment although armwrestling still has quite a journey to go in order to reach where UFC is at. But nevertheless, things are moving incredibly fast and as a promoter and organizer, you just cannot drag your feet even for a day. We now see how KOTT and EvW have emerged to become the biggest money making events in AW history in the absence/inactivity of PAL and WAL. In fact EvW has become a sort of Mecca for armwrestling. The landscape has definitely changed and if PAL and WAL were to get rolling again, the old ways of promoting and organizing aren't going to work.
I'm glad you like it, Troy! Hope it doesn't mess with the retention too much. People who are not familiar with my channel yet, might find it confusing.
I don't believe this man has fallen. He is an achiever as it seems, amd when the things in Ukraine end, he should be back to achieving things. If he still loves armwrestling he could maybe do something again.
Zloty Tur is basically where the history of european armwrestling has been written! It's such a shame that when he saw the possibility of something bigger (during COVID) he decided to just tease and try to have the complete control over the sport because he was convinced he was the only good alternative. He could have been what is Engin today but he completely missed the train
in our post-soviet region, VK is the equivalent of a FB, so we had a PAL/armwreslting group there. At some point, vendettas and zloty tours have become PPV events, which naturally raised questions among some demographic. So Igor always went there in comment sections and was calling them poor in rood form and etc. And it was happening for a prolonged period of time. Although i think he had all the right to make events PPV, him going in comments and personally confronting every commentator was a big WTF for me.
was Igor consulted about the content of this video? I think there are a few areas with lack of information. Like the split with WAF. Or the promotion of ligas only for doped people.
Mazurenko was a control freak... he did a lot but he restricted a lot eu athletes...didnt want to make his eu athletes lose a match against any east athlete... Devon had to fight to get his chance against Denis... but it was on Mazurenko land... on the left arm not the right... Mazurenko dont wanna see Denis lost on the right so ... it was always on his term... good think his control freak reign is done... now the sport can grow for real...
So glad igir is gone he was greedy and thought he was better than everybody reminds me of this ginger guy " ,bowen" ,#360deal # glad these athletes left the pal
Absolute nonsense. He lost money on many events or barely broke even yet he continued for his passion of armwrestling. What's greedy about that? Clearly you know nothing about the man and the heavy lifting he did 20 years for the sport of armwrestling in order to get it to a higher level ..
@@KootBear Yup! Some armwrestling fans are so bitter and close minded. Yes, Igor Mazurenko blocked potential Michael Todd vs Levan Saginashvili and Devon Larratt vs Levan Saginashvili matches back then. I didn't like that either. However, it's insane to reduce Mazurenko to those mistakes and completely neglect the tremendous work in the armwrestling world he did for 20 years. If there is a list with 20 pros and 2 cons why reduce a person to those two cons? Makes no sense to me.
@TimmyTurner421 Well, he scammed Polish tv channel 150k € and up to this day, he hasn't paid many athletes. Ever wonder why he hasn't been seen in Poland lately ? Because he will be arrested if he returns
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I had to work some long hours on this, trying to get it out in a reasonable time frame. I hope you enjoy what is an episode about, in my opinion, one of the most influential people in modern armwrestling. As always, I'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments. I tried my best to keep it interesting but I'm sure this episode will attract a couple of mixed reviews. I welcome it!
I'd like to see some more stuff on federations. Great videos
this was really interesting! I think you did a great job👍
Mazurenko was important figure for 20 years in armwrestling...
I hope he is doing fine nowadays👍
You are doing a very important job in the community! I know it isn't much but here is my support to you! Keep them coming!!!
It means a lot to me, 44%stronger! I'm happy you're enjoying what I put out there and I appreciate your generosity.
I had no idea, barley knew anything about him, only the drama of contracts and PAL..
very eye opening, what an impact on the sport! Respect
Even after being in arm wrestling community for many years now, I always learn something new from Mr. Arm's videos. Truly great pieces of work.
Thanks, Limo-swine. I'm happy that even the veterans get something from my videos.
Another excellent video! It really is hard to imagine where the sport would be right now without Igor’s involvement. He did so much to make the sport more professional.
Thanks Eric! I agree. The AW landscape would look very differently.
Man Igor was a monster back in his day!
Tremendous work as usual 🤨☝️🎥🍿🔥
Thank you! It's no Arm Wars but I'm glad you approve.
Jeeze! Igor was super jacked when he was younger. I'm in great shape and he makes me look tiny. He's clearly a taller man as well. Based on his photos next to Cyplenkov and Pushkar I'd guess hes maybe 6'3".
He has a very interesting AW history going back 3 decades. As always, i appreciate the quality work AW'ing historian!
The Historian is always a step ahead. Pushing knowledge off the back off the pad like big jerry 👌🏽
What a badass comment! 💪💪
This production is insane, very high quality videos
agreed
I am a guy from Poland and i love armwrestling
Cool! I am an arm in a suit and I love armwrestling.
@@armhistorian stay strong
Igor Mazurenko has been extremely important for arm wrestling. Props to Igor. I hope he will return once the difficult times are over.
He will never comeback... for the best
Very interesting video and one of the most anticipated topics for me as a Polish person. Mazurenko is a very "gray" person, but there is simply no way to deny what this man has done for the sport by promoting it, designing the tables and the equipment that are both the golden standard in every armwrestling club in the world.
It bothers me how I can already phantom that I'll be watching one of your videos in the near future and commenting how I watched your videos before you had 1 million subs
wo thank you so much. id wonderd about him for a long time. well done!
You're very welcome!
One of your best videos.
another awesome rise and fall video Mr. Historian.. Educated me again big guy lol 💪🤘
"Big guy". Look who's talking!
I'm happy you enjoyed it, tallpaul. Thanks for your continued support!
@@armhistorian lol your welcome man 🤘
Devon promoted and highlighted the sport the most but this guy started it from nothing and made it what it is today.
20 years of Zloty Turs, other tournaments under the PAL banner, Vendetta supermatches, and what I would describe as the pinnacle of what he did, the Top 8 which truly represented the highest level of armwrestling as a supermatch format. The athletes had 3 fixed dates for the Top 8 in Malaysia, China, Poland with 3~ months between each stage which allowed them to truly prepare to the best of their ability. I loved to watch it and also for the content that was produced around it.
@@TimmyTurner421 Personally I always believed Top 8 to be the dumbest idea of all. Having a limited roster of 8 athletes is stupid. Having random drafts among those 8 athletes is beyond stupid. Half of the matches happening there had no sense at all. If that's the pinnacle then I struggle to fathom what would you call EvW, KoTT, WAL or old Arm Wars which all had way better matchups and eventful fights. I'm so happy Top 8 died this fast. It would've died naturally anyway but luckily it did not impede AW for much longer by having athletes on a leash and effectively preventing better matches from happening.
@@datbunneh3671 Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man. It really doesn't matter what you think, the reality was that Top 8 had the best armwrestlers on the planet at that time all facing each other. I don't give a damn if the matches entertained you or not. You realize that armwrestling is also a sport, and not exlusively entertainment? I wanted to see who is the #1 armwrestler on the planet and the Top 8 ultimately determined that this human being is Levan Saginashvili.
"If that's the pinnacle then I struggle to fathom what would you call EvW, KoTT, WAL"
What a silly comment. I said Top 8 was the pinnacle of what he did. I didn't say the Top 8 is the pinnacle of all time. Perhaps you lack reading comprehension? I would suggest you to read my comment again. Btw, KOTT and EvW didn't even exist back then. Completely irrelevant to the comment I made. You must be new to armwrestling. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got better things to do than educating random people on the internet.
@@TimmyTurner421 Wow. Nice to have *the best* (arguably) arm wrestlers on the planet facing each other... but forget to mention they were all from at least three separate weight classes. Yes, right. Just 8 athletes from different weight classes. Glorious. Did somebody just mention AW being a sport and trying to *educate* people? Of course you could argue that it's "open" class yada-yada. But yeah, let's put Prokopchuk against Levan then. The guy is also the best, right? That match makes total sense, ain't it? And even in terms of what Mazurenko did a regular Vendetta was the apex of his creation and not Top 8. Because it had cherry picked matches that people actually wanted to see and not some retarded random draft among a fixed roster. And don't forget, your opinion is also just an opinion Mr. Teacher Educator sir.
You both should talk less and do more Armwrestling 😀
Arm Historian uploads a new video and as soon I see I like it
Same
Really enjoy all your videos Arm Historian! Keep up the great work and thanks for the
Deep Dives into my favorite sport
Another great video!
As ever this channel is a total treasure trove for those like myself who have only followed the sport since lockdown. Your talent shines brightly again and again AH.
P.s - Thankfully i just finished sipping my coffee when I saw "FAP - Really?!!!" 😂😂😂
Thanks so much for your efforts. MB.👍❤️💪😎🍺
Thanks as always, MB! And you're very welcome. This episode was a lot of fun to make, as I decided to try a couple of more out there things.
FAP is such an unfortunate name
Great info bro 🤠🇮🇹🤙🏼
Thanks, Don Paul!
Amazing content as always!
Your videos are always informative👍
That's what I aim for! Thanks for saying so.
This is great work, man! I mean, arm.
Fascinating stuff!
Loving it!
I watch these videos to test my frame of my brain
Great video. 10/10
Again incredible video don’t stop doing video like that even if the inspiration is hard to find you will find the success you deserve one day
Absolutely incredible
I do think you mean implements. I train with one of the yellow Mazurenko handles. ;)
Eeeey, congrats on 4k+ subs!
Thank you!!
A banger!
Glad you like it, Martino!
Amazing channel
Amazing comment
Crazy how steroids gains are so hard to hold on to. He looked massive when he was young, now you wouldn't guess that he ever lifted weights
This dude has elite genetics
I wish you would have gone into more detail about mazurenko equipment.
Good call!
@@armhistorian Thank you, I see his straps and cable attachments everywhere
Engin took his place after he kinda left
if he only didnt wanted to control/restrict his athletes, his brand could have become the ufc of armwrestling today... he had all the structure, all contacts, money invested etc, but the mind wasnt there for it...
so happy engin and kott (with a figure like larry wheels to promote it up) showed up to compete with his brand and show how things should be done for the best of the sport itself, not bureaucratic organizations. if they werent there, probably igor's archaic/controlling view of armwrestling promotion would dominate the sport even more today, hiding behind the figure of levan (who was their main athlete/figure to promote their brand)
Awesome video I really wanted context on who he was and where he went overall hes been a positive influence on the arm wrestling as a whole even if some decisions he made were that of a pure business mindset.
When it comes to the world of sports, armwrestling seems to be unique in the sense that it seems to follow the UFC path. What I mean by that is the blend of sports and entertainment although armwrestling still has quite a journey to go in order to reach where UFC is at. But nevertheless, things are moving incredibly fast and as a promoter and organizer, you just cannot drag your feet even for a day. We now see how KOTT and EvW have emerged to become the biggest money making events in AW history in the absence/inactivity of PAL and WAL. In fact EvW has become a sort of Mecca for armwrestling. The landscape has definitely changed and if PAL and WAL were to get rolling again, the old ways of promoting and organizing aren't going to work.
👏👏Somebody have to say it 🤷♂️
Might as well be an arm in a suit, right?
Hahah love the intro bro
I'm glad you like it, Troy! Hope it doesn't mess with the retention too much. People who are not familiar with my channel yet, might find it confusing.
Спасибо!
You're welcome!
Hey can you name the song you used in this video?? Plz
One of the worst decisions Igor made was not partnering with KOT.
I don't believe this man has fallen. He is an achiever as it seems, amd when the things in Ukraine end, he should be back to achieving things. If he still loves armwrestling he could maybe do something again.
Yes indeed. I said pretty much the same at the end of the video.
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I am so happy Igor left the arm wrestling scene.
Zloty Tur is basically where the history of european armwrestling has been written! It's such a shame that when he saw the possibility of something bigger (during COVID) he decided to just tease and try to have the complete control over the sport because he was convinced he was the only good alternative. He could have been what is Engin today but he completely missed the train
Yes indeed, well said!
Let's all hope history does not repeat itself.
in our post-soviet region, VK is the equivalent of a FB, so we had a PAL/armwreslting group there. At some point, vendettas and zloty tours have become PPV events, which naturally raised questions among some demographic. So Igor always went there in comment sections and was calling them poor in rood form and etc. And it was happening for a prolonged period of time.
Although i think he had all the right to make events PPV, him going in comments and personally confronting every commentator was a big WTF for me.
Thank you for the invaluable insight!
@@armhistorian thanks for your contribution to arm community. Keep growing bigger and stronger💪
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I wish Igor and the Ukrainian people best of luck and that they stay strong and united. Slava Ukraini!
was Igor consulted about the content of this video? I think there are a few areas with lack of information. Like the split with WAF. Or the promotion of ligas only for doped people.
Mazurenko was a control freak... he did a lot but he restricted a lot eu athletes...didnt want to make his eu athletes lose a match against any east athlete... Devon had to fight to get his chance against Denis... but it was on Mazurenko land... on the left arm not the right... Mazurenko dont wanna see Denis lost on the right so
... it was always on his term... good think his control freak reign is done... now the sport can grow for real...
Devon. Blamed Igor for losing to genadi I cant believe it he wasnt even there is there a feud I dont know about
Wtf are you smoking buddy? Devon never blamed Igor (or anyone else) for losing to Genadi.
So glad igir is gone he was greedy and thought he was better than everybody reminds me of this ginger guy " ,bowen" ,#360deal # glad these athletes left the pal
Absolute nonsense. He lost money on many events or barely broke even yet he continued for his passion of armwrestling. What's greedy about that? Clearly you know nothing about the man and the heavy lifting he did 20 years for the sport of armwrestling in order to get it to a higher level ..
@@TimmyTurner421 lol
@@TimmyTurner421 exactly
@@KootBear Yup! Some armwrestling fans are so bitter and close minded. Yes, Igor Mazurenko blocked potential Michael Todd vs Levan Saginashvili and Devon Larratt vs Levan Saginashvili matches back then. I didn't like that either. However, it's insane to reduce Mazurenko to those mistakes and completely neglect the tremendous work in the armwrestling world he did for 20 years. If there is a list with 20 pros and 2 cons why reduce a person to those two cons? Makes no sense to me.
@TimmyTurner421
Well, he scammed Polish tv channel 150k € and up to this day, he hasn't paid many athletes. Ever wonder why he hasn't been seen in Poland lately ? Because he will be arrested if he returns
Игорь не следил за употреблением аас и отрастил себе сиськи😂😂
ultimately it is also clickbait to claim "the fall" of Igor as he is in war for his country. He didnt stop or quit. Russia invaded his land.
His education claims are actually all a sham
They did seem a little dubious.
We have Engin now, no need for Igor anymore.....
Igor was more interesting. Showing how the athletes train and how they pulled record weights.
Greediness and monopoly mindset got to him. You don't own the sport Igor.
Igor > Engin
Give Engin time my friend. Up to now he is doing amazing!
I appreciate both of them and also Neil Pickup
A fair observation, one I happen to share with you.