His mother asked for mental health, I had problems to get mental health for my husband but thanks to a judge order he had to assist to the psychiatrist. It was a car accident but there is too much stigma around. There are new laws for mental Illness now, we can go for a member of the family. I'm very sorry.
@@TecOneself i am so so sorry your husband isnt getting the help he deserves. Its not fair the cut to mental health has happend. My partner is having the same problems with help. Stay strong. Your not alone xx
@@ajakuk1 Thank you, he just had a car accident and his mind mixed. But trust me he his much better, the Government helped him by law, he had to go to Psychiatrist by law, they gave him a studio and his monthly money. So people now don't abuse him now and he does not need to bother the family for help. It was not easy for me to bring him to justice, but I explained to the judge that he was innocent. Doctors and social workers helped me during 9 years and I did it for me children. He was in danger and now is safe, but I wont say is very easy. The UK broad new laws now for members of family to come closer. In countries like Canada or Spain they can't internet, I know in USA they can. It depends on social awareness and families. It can happen to anyone. I had to separate because they blame it on you, but it was my way of loving him (sending him to court). I wrote about a new form of bringing this issues, not in court as a judgement, even do the judge was not judging him and he suggested him very kindly. Many hugs for all around, this issue has affected me somehow.
The problem is that the main users of shotguns are farmers (a very powerful lobby in this country) and landed classes (composing a significant percentage of the cabinet, including the PM). Nobody should have a licence to hold a lethal weapon.
On what grounds was he granted a license for the gun? There actually needs to be an internal investigation here, someone from the local police needs to be held accountable.
@@abbyalphonse499 1. There was no mention in this video of an inquest in to why or how he obtained the license / if there were checks carried out to assess his mental state. 2. The chief constable deflected attention to protect the persons responsible by saying “they can’t look at people’s background on social media” - which they should definitely be doing. You seem to know more than what’s being said so do enlighten me.
One of the comments by the police was "they cannot trawl social media for issues regarding gun licensing", well they can for tax issues using the connect database, why can't that be done for unstable people. The police have a lot to answer for here, why does a 22 year old have a gun license, why does anyone unless they live on a farm or some sort of security professional.
I lived across the road from there when I was little for a short while before moving to another part of the city, Keyham does have a strong community and some wonderful people I am friends with live near there. My heart goes out to the families of the victims. Serious questions need to be asked about how someone like this ended up with a deadly weapon and how resources are being used for helping those with mental health issues.
The system needs to change. The scariest part is there's no mental health system for the younger generation. My condolences to the victims families and the community.
There is a fantastic mental health system which young girls and women can easily access. Boys and men are told to grow a pair and man up. They get zero mental health help.
@@marksherrit5874 that is a big lie. Just pay a visit to any CRISIS facility and see how many young men are being treated there for mental health issues. Go to psych wards and see loads of young men who have been sectioned. The problem is that a lot of times these people decline help even when it’s offered
The trouble is, if you have a clean record you are fine to have a gun licence. But it’s always the edge you may cross. I’d quite like to have one of those babies in to fire in the woods or something at tin cans and stuff. Certainly not animals or people; But there is always that desire for someone to do that!!
How on earth can someone who’s had enough justify killing a small child? There’s no justifying the other killings either.if someone of adult age wants to end their life,then it’s surely their right as their life belongs to them.you don’t take innocent people with you.
@@kenjohnson1041 What he did was entirely wrong and unjustified. But maybe it was a cry of help or despair? Think about it if he only shot himself you and barely anyone would have heard if him or what he was struggling with. Again completely morally wrong of him to do what he did but look at how acknowledged he is now compared to before
@@liamcraddock9539 people don’t go round doing this when it’s a cry for help.if he wanted someone to talk to him,he wouldn’t have taken his own life.ok,he’s made a name for himself but the reality is,it won’t be long before everyone who didn’t lose someone forget and carry on as normal
@@kenjohnson1041 Living in the same country I can say from experience it's very difficult trying to get help with that sort of stuff and very few people care about you in those circumstances. Still it would be wrong and evil to do what he did but the guy clearly saw that as the only way to get anyone to notice what he was going through.
Banality of evil. Mental health stigma as well as cuts to services makes it very hard to get help for a mentally ill family member. I am so sorry for those who lost their lives.
Most people will struggle with their mental health at some point so it does no good to stigmatize the mentally ill. The real problem is the type of people who want to own guns in the first place - I've met a few and every single one of them was a spiteful and cowardly little man.
no, terrorists use 'terror' as a method of promoting a political or religious message... this man had no motive, that's like the whole point of what separates a terrorist from a deranged mental patient like him. Clearly you're trying to suggest that the police is racist but no, you're just not educated on the subject.
@boris horvath. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. If it was someone of another ethnic group the commentators on this thread would not have any empathy for the mad killer.
I feel truly sorry for all the families of the totally innocent victims, especially for the 3 year old child who had her whole life ahead of her. It makes me absolutely sick to me stomach 😭🤢
Don't you feel sorry for the millions of unborn kids killed everyday by women? Wasn't their whole life ahead of them as well? Wasn't the 3 years old a clump of cells as well?
@@paulobryano Your comment didn't have any relevance in the first place. How is killing someone after birth more cruel than killing someone before birth? You can't answer such simple question. You are a woman, I can tell easily.
@@mehulchoudhary5136 Firstly you are wrong that I'm a woman. Also you replied with something completely unrelated trying to start an argument where there was none. F off troll
mental health starts with emotional support from birth - we need to look at what kids need as they develop and not just take a sticking plaster approach
Children are our responsibility to many children are not given the love and support from birth Young mothers were having babies at school age they were kids themselves poor babies left to one side I was 20 when I had my fist child and i thought I was too young and it was too much responsibility I had a good caring husband but many today thinking it’s ok to be a single parent I needed the backup of my husband to make a family unit It’s the most natural thing in the world and we have lost it
@@milels6917 a parent being desperate for a husband / wife also leaves a child vulnerable to maltreatment - and can make people think that being married to a bully is more important than shield your child from bullying at home. when kids are abused at home , it is common for the parent who did not directly abuse the child to not believe the child or downplay or ignore the abuse. that is called enabling. it's becoming apparent that a loud minority of parents are not emotionally mature enough to raise a child whether they are married or not. they can only mature if we set a social standard and stop babying the parents and put kids wellbeing and rights first.
She said we will probably never know why he did what he did......he was unstable he literally had enough, by the sounds of it, this had been going on for a while. If you do not get the support you need when you need it, unfortunately things like this can and will happen. I can say for certainty is that there was countless reasons and bad experiences that had led him to do what he did, not one reason. So sad he felt the need to do such a thing and that was his only option at the time soso sad. Please reach out to friends and family if you think somethings not quite right, it's really hard to understand what each of us is going through without reaching out first
I have a grandson who can’t communicate sits in his bedroom all the time I worry for him when he had a girlfriend she let him down because travelling too see-him or he her become difficult during lockdown said she would have to end their relationship he became more isolated sad lonely this would not have happened if not for the pressures of lockdown Hopefully 🙏 he will get better but must be lots like this This generation is a sad one
OK.,I have a hgv licence and could kill a lot more people with 44 tonnes of steel travelling at 56 mph into stationary traffic, lets send the examiner that passed me to jail.
@@Luton-Mick Yes and if you gave your truck to someone with mental problems or gave it to someone without a hgv licence or if you gave it to a kid and any of them killed 5 people then you would be an accomplice in crime
unpopular opinion, but it's very difficult to tell if someone is actually recovering from a mental illness or not. The system for gun control is actually very good, but there will always be a freak incident in 30 years.
@@ThatTallGuy0 Jake Davison was not a criminal before he went on his rampage. The same as most of the other nutters who have gone on killing sprees in the UK. Dunblane, Hungerford, Cumbria were all massacres committed with legally held arms that is the problem.
Sport? This isn’t gun owners faults this is the polices fault for giving an unstable man back his fire arms license even though it was taken away from him not much earlier
@@ThatTallGuy0 anyone can become unstable... in-between gun inspections or reports or however its done.. people can lie .. He could of used knives ..by using a gun he was able to inflict massive damage in a little amount if time .. therefore it is all about the weapon .. the gun.
This wasn’t a mental health issue, he recently beat up his dad, this is domestic abuse, which he took out on strangers. This is about entitlement, what he felt he deserved. He planned this killing, he was on Reddit talking about spree killing very recently. The police are also to blame, they took his gun license and returned it. Why not check with other agencies before issuing a license, eg GP or family. It’s not hard to do.
@@kyleburgess5399 i watched his videos rambling before it was all removed... Honestly it was hard to see a vunerable person there. He had a perpetrator mentality, he was really angry w the world and felt as if it was the worlds fault for his misfortunes. But yes, everyone will take it and see it differently
you can't rule out mental health issue. entitlement and victimhood lie at the root of narcissistic personality disorder which is a mental health problem and suicidality is considered a mental health symptom too. and i'd rather have less people with violent tendencies in general than just less access to weapons. very few people are born with genetically low capacity for empathy compared to the number of violent people there are. emotional security is central to everything a person does but culturally we look at emotional abuse and suicidality in a pretty superficial way. humans have the longest development period of any species - the decision-making part of the brain is still rewiring in your 20s but we barely address the emotional needs of kids and young adults. and we don't consider the emotional maturity of adults at all!
@Dean Clark to me chasing a fox down until its exhausted and then setting about it with some hammers sounds a lot worse than shooting it it that's what your into.
What a horrible incident. Before we bombard the police with abuse over the gun license issue, we must understand why and when the license was issued. My parents both have their firearms certificates and they are really hard to not only gain but maintain. This is an awful incident and must be investigated throughly, and until it is investigated we cannot pass judgement.
It would be a lot easier if we just banned shotguns. Having a licence does not in any way guarantee mental stability. I have no evidence that your parents are a danger to society, but why do they need a shotgun?
@Andrew Howe 'but you’re too lazy to use google'. If you say so. You're obviously too lazy (and rude) to write a reasoned response. I don't think there are any good reasons for a civilian to have a shotgun. Hence my rhetorical question.
“What the police can’t do it trawl peoples’ media looking at peoples’ private lives and what offs” - yes, but they don’t have to do this for everyone but the few that apply for gun licenses. That is a must.
Only people who are fucked in the head want to own guns in the first place. So yeah, people should be on the radar just for applying for a gun license.
He had a shotgun. A SHOTGUN! How and why does a 22yo get approved for a shotgun permit in a residential area (not a farm)?! What would he need it for? Is this how they "screen" people?!
@@Luton-Mick are you serious? In a country where women are not allowed to even carry pepper spray for self defence they allow a 22yo man a shotgun to shoot pidgeon clays? Is this for real?!
Media outlets stating the incident was linked to the 'incel movement' as if it were a political party...he was an unstable loner with access to firearms. End of.
Angry young men online. How about society being more inclusive and accepting so that we have less angry young men feeling left out. We can start by not discouraging and demonizing people for their sexuality, the way the look, what skin colour they have and who they are. We simply have to care for each for who we are.
@Evi F do you not think this is one of the reasons this man lost it? he failed everyone's expectations of his privilege. he was an incel, fascists are radicalising them online by telling them it's not their fault they can't get a girlfriend its women's. These people need therapy and that comes from fully funded mental health service not from laughing at them saying haha you couldn't even succeed as a straight-cis-white man. that will only drive them to further radicalisation.
@Evi F I like your analysis & see where your coming from. I hope young people in this country can continue to be ever so more caring, inclusive & understanding (that's what I'm seeing in my child's primary school) To me this guy's big mistake was his unrealistic expectations & his attachment to the right wing trump era propogander, which would have fed right into & cemented those narcissistic, abusive thoughts & attitudes.
@UCKd2CUlZyrhJj_geE8YGbmQ regardless this is a mental health problem, I'm not pitying him but the only way we stop this happening again is by investing in mental health services to get people like this help. Maybe all he needed was a therapist to explain "Hey, a lot of people are mediocre. Mostly everyone is average in some way. There is no loss in pride being average." to him?
I think the media should leave these people alone now and let the families come to terms with the loss of their loved one's. I understand investigations need to happen but think of those poor families having to see his evil face and Constantly repeating the traumatic events! All for a story 😡
So he has spent two years at least with depression and mental problems, even referred to the GP but nobody thought this young man shouldn’t have had a gun. Unfortunately he would have done the same with a knife or an axe.
No, it was domestic abuse, he was abusing his parents, recently beat up his dad. Hence killing his mum, and her being the first victim, this was his initial intention, to take her out, the poor strangers he murdered were collateral to him.
The Police are to blame.They don't do their job properly. If they can't do it, give the role to private specialist companies. They have been messing up way too long for it just to be overlooked as this tragedy will happen frequently.
It's sad because they spend quite a lot of time doing things like finding and prosecuting people for "hate speech" on the internet, such as posting mean tweets which believe it or not get people in the UK arrested. Or in the case of Count Dankula arrested and taken to court over a joke. Yet basic policing to keep people safe like proper background checks on gun licences or keeping people safe from violent criminals they don't have the funding for or go ignored. It's fucking insane.
@@WH-hi5ew You're the first person I've seen who has pointed this out. Increasing amount of mental health issues are themselves a symptom of other problems in society. We've abandoned a lot of traditional values which we've spent thousands of years perfecting, selecting instead for rapid progressive changes for which we have zero understanding how they'll play out on wider society. Mental healthcare is extremely important but it's a bandaid over the real problems which is why this is even happening in the first place. I suspect mental health issues are increasing in young men in part due to lack of fathers around, many of the social changes such as rapid increase in divorces and single mothers are a serious problem, so we need to look at why those things have increased and why families are breaking down.
@@Frosty-oj6hw I agree, you've worded this insight well. A the incel inspired killer and a teenage girls self-harming in her bedroom and and the isolated, lonely elderly are all symptoms of the same underlying societal disease.
@@WH-hi5ew Apropos to this I've just finished watching Jordan Peterson talk with Warren Farrell about the importance of 2 parent families and how important both roles are for balanced development of children. Shockingly he predicts an increase in school shootings, citing the majority of shootings with at least 10 victims are from boys who lack a father in the home. I believe this podcast was recorded prior to the shooting so it's almost spooky to see how relevant this is. As you say it's probably shares a common source with these other social problems, I knew of both lonely elderly problem and self harm especially with girls, but I'd never really connected those dots as clearly. That's real food for thought, appreciate you pointing that out. You should definitely watch the podcast I mentioned it's full of extremely interested related facts/data ruclips.net/video/IpPr5i1aHjE/видео.html
@@Frosty-oj6hw Enjoyed the podcast though I find Peterson more of a natural polemicist than social scientist in this context. i.e., I'd argue that the erosion of two parents families is itself (like the other issues) a product of the underlying economically driven changes in society that occurs in post-industrial society. That said, another reason why school shootings and indeed general homicides are much higher in the USA vs UK, is that the former is flooded with freely available handguns. Indeed now in greater numbers now than there are actual people in the USA itself! Just like climate change, abortion and Covid-19... the gun issue is seemingly held immobile in the ongoing US culture war.
What’s the point in revoking a gun only to restore it to the madman, this doesn’t make sense and the office who decided to give back the gun should be fired
@thatdog barkz. I know! What a stupid statement. I live in south london and I’m not accustomed to guns at all, let alone mass shootings. I’ve never witnessed a crime living in London or visiting Jamaica over the past 37 years.
@Shock Value Probably why he turned the gun on himself. There are few humans on earth who won't feel awful after killing another human, justified or not.
So tragic for all involved. How devastating for all the families. May they rest in peace all those that have died. May God give them his peace through Jesus Christ. Amen.
@@remotefaith Rubbish. Men aren’t to blame for everything. You’ve based your opinion on the assumption that men have been the only gender responsible for how society is created and women are just meek, mild and subservient.
@@remotefaith true but we also live in a culture of prosperity and greatness... all man made too so what's your point? Woman played zero part in any of the way the world is shaped.
R.I.P those that died, condolences to the families .. My question is .. why does a 22yr need a gun licence? I think it needs to be like police & other services, farmers etc but not members of the public. Remember it's not the gun that kills people.. its the person holding them. He obviously had some kind of breakdown... to kill people and 3yr and then to take his own life. Prayers 🙏 go out to the families from me & my family.
@@dyhale yes but farmers need gun to protect their flock, crop etc that's their money.. hence I mentioned farmers .. but say a Normal village/ town etc why do you need a gun ?? With all this gun violence its just not right 😕 no need for it .
@@mummyminxy that's the reason why most people have a license other than pest control so that's the reason to have on in s town or me were I live in town but the family have a Field witch is used has a farm but I would have to leave in my place because they don't have one and we decided that I would do the pest control on the field/farm.
News is just taking this story to far now ,move on and leave the locals to get bk to there lives stop knocking on doors asking for a story or dash cams of him doing it I don’t need to know his route he took only people that need to know this is the police Stop being private investigators
Hate crime insinuates some sort cognition going on; a common target. This guy was obviously just shooting anyone who unfortunately crossed his path. He obviously cracked under mental health pressure, and as ‘shootings’ usually make big headlines in world media, that’s probably why people like him, who have been crying for attention for so long and not getting any, decide to end their lives this way.
I have seen the shooter's reddit account. He had mental health problems and clearly needed help it is so fucked up what he did it could have been prevented
All we've been hearing from the feminist-driven media is "incel incel incel incel" then we find out he was addicted to steroids. Gee, I wonder what could have caused him to lash out like a violent psychopath?
I didn’t know you could get a gun license in the uk I didn’t think they were allowed at all. So why did you give a 22yr old a gun?? Why did he need it??
Shotguns are allowed as long as you can demonstrate a very convincing reason for needing it, no criminal record and a clean bill of mental health. Shooting up your neighborhood isn't generally a valid reason so I do wonder how he got his.
@@k3v1n96iy Clay pigeon shooting is still allowed, I've legally fired shotguns at clay pigeon ranges. Where I live, every Saturday the whole day is punctuated with the noise of shotguns going off at the shooting range down the road. Not sure what the exact law is but I think you are still allowed to own a shotgun for hunting, gamekeeping or sport. I suspect there are restrictions on how the guns are kept etc.
The bloke's Mother was trying to get him sectioned saying that he was mentally unfit. It is a clear revenge motive and well if I am going to kill my own Mother, then I will go out with a bang and take a few more people along the way. Sadly, his name will go down in history for all of the wrong reasons, the chances are that he knew the people that he shot, especially if the residence was his Mother's, the only good thing was that he had the bottle to take his own life, rather than spending his life in prison at the tax payers expense.
@@saraswatkin9226 What utter RUBBISH. You do not see people in jail do you? Any fool knows or should know not to go around killing people. You have had criminals such as this locked up for decades, but society does not learn anything from it.
@@marksherrit5874 You do not hear about Hitler because it is banned and illegal to talk about him. Why do you think that people making nazi salutes or have nazi flags get arrested for. A lot of history is being covered up from the real truth. The left wing only teach what they want to teach.
@@jx6782 and when they congregate on line those ones dominate the bubble. not surprising they are being radicalised to neo-Nazis if you think about Nazi attitudes towards women.
i dont know anything about this family but - a parent-child relationship is like no other. and for some context: LOTS of kids are maltreated at home - 1 in 5 adults in the uk report being maltreated as kids, the majority of perpetrators are known to the child .. very few people are born with a low capacity for empathy. we need to spell out what is and isn't abuse to parents as well as kids if we want to stop raising people who hate this much. insecurities about power come from somewhere.
@@jantelopez5626 as someone who has fallen into a online right wing bubble in the past this is as much about online radicalisation as it is about mental health and upbringing. if an unstable person is radicalised online this is what they do. you have to both stop radicalisation and support their mental health.
@@Jay_Johnson who does the grooming tho? what makes a person lack empathy? and why does the proportion of adults who report having abusive upbringings seem to be staying the same across all social backgrounds? looking at anything just at the surface level isn't enough with social matters. cycles of abuse and bullying carry on for generations and now there's a lot of money in it
Not entitled to get help with your mental health but fully entitled to own a firearm. And most shocking of all labelling the situation as an angry individual instead of addressing the matter in question. Them matters being how in a country that supposedly cracks down in access to guns has a young person owning one & also to why after coming forward about their struggles/problems, Mental health treatment is still rejected or out on a waiting list. Rejection of MH therapy is why things like this happen. It happens in the US everyday to which some cases don’t even make it it to the news. May the victims rest in peace with condolences to the families. And leave that poor community & neighbourhood alone for god sake. They’ve been through enough and don’t need knocking on theirs doors for fools like you reporters. Let the community grieve and reflect and try see what can be done next to make future potential incidents like this preventable. The government have some explaining to do about these fire arm licenses being handed to anyone willy Nilly. Firearms that only should be used by armed forces, police or farmers.
I'm alot more concerned about the lack of support people get in regards to mental health, there is 100s no probably 1,000s of people feeling and thinking the same.....What's the point?
@@stuartnicol1947 air rifle for birds isn't humane and can't hit flying moving things with an underpowered air rifle and also I have my shotguns locked up and available at anytime I decided to go out and use them,to have them at a club isn't convenient for me,the problem isn't the gun it's the person behind it.. this man shouldn't have had one due to his mental decline I agree with that and it's horrific what has happened but this man would've done the same thing but with a knife or car and then what? Do we ban cars or kitchen knives? No we don't... I'm married with two lovely children and my hobbies are cars and when I get time off I like to head into the countryside and shoot some clays with my mate and have a catch up so why should that be taken because of one man's actions? The problem is that if things get banned constantly then what do we have? No fun fast cars no shooting hobby no alcohol just work then home then work then home? This problem needs to be addressed but not at the cost of law abiding citizens my friend
@@StuartOliver83 but that is my point every o e is normal till something goes wrong i agree that they would find other ways to kill but we need to make it harder in some way as a young man I was an airgunner but even that has become harder to do and looked down on
Yes ofcus the devil must of whispered in his ear and encouraged him to go ahead an kill those people then told him now finish off yourself…..and he just said “yes sir”
@@amirahabdi Yep, that's how it works. Unfortunately there's an adgenda being put out about how humans can identify, we no longer have to be male/ female gay or straight. If there's any psychological issues with a person nowadays you can just stick a label it whatever it be, then before you know you have groups and organizations, and God forbid if you try and speak out against them, no, that would be politically incorrect, everyone's forgot what's morally correct. What was it he identified as again??? Oh yeah, an "Incel" one who desires a partner but doesn't have the ability to get one, whether it be looks, weight etc. He definitely had issues, and this internet sub-culture of identity issues sure is one of satans devices. He kills, lies and destroys, oh and above all he deceives.
@@andyr4941 I take it you're an atheist, that's fine. But a loon i am not. Everything in Scripture is 100% truth. Prophesies have been coming to pass hundreds of years before they take place since time began in this age. Unless you know your Creator and the Holy Spirit you just won't get it anyway. But for the sake of your soul you should really look at why we are going through what we are in the world today and who's behind it, the deception runs deep. Everything is coming to pass EXACTLY AS IT IS WRITTEN. So it's you who will answer to God. And what would you say when He asks you why you don't know Him and have never searched for Him, ESPECIALLY in this day and age, we have knowledge at our fingertips. You my dear will have no answer for Him.
I can't think of a single good reason why anybody should have a shotgun. Yes I know, most shotgun owners aren't murderous, incel nutters, but it still doesn't justify the risk. A farmer does not need a shotgun, there are no dangerous animals roaming the countryside (except possibly his bulls). I don't care if it curtails some people's enjoyment of clay-pigeon shooting. Go and play a shoot-em up computer game. The risk to wider society is too great. I suspect if the upper classes weren't so fond of sadistically killing harmless animals shotguns would have been banned long ago.
Machine learning and Artificial Intelligence should be part of policing to tackle any kind of Terror and Mental health-related gunshot in the UK. This is very awful.
@Andrew Howe It's the bog-standard news/media thing. Bad thing happens on the news, media hypes it up as much as possible, everyone gets paranoid, voices their own opinion and thinks they know the absolute solution, regardless of their knowledge on the subject, and then it gets forgotten by the end of the week.
@@anonomous8719 - So far we know, the gunman has uploaded a video on youtube and on Facebook explaining his depression and frustration. He explained his wish to be a terminator. If the police had an appropriate AI system to monitor everyday social media posts and linking up with the person's other information, they could raise an alarm of potential danger. This is not impossible but it needs only the right will and the appropriate allocation of resources! I hope you know how machine learning and AI system works.
This young man was empty & he fill his heart with hate & anger this guy mentally is fit but he is spiritually in deep trouble therefore he ends his life with other innocent people there is Quranic verse says ( 124 But whoever has disregarded My Reminder-for him is a miserable life, and We will herd him on the Day of Resurrection blind.”125 He said, “My Lord, why did You herd me blind though I used to see?”126 He said, “Just as Our signs came to you and you forgot them, today you will be forgotten.”127 And thus We repay the one who was an extremist and did not believe in the signs of his Lord. And surely the punishment of the Hereafter is more severe and more lasting.[ Surah : Ţāhā ])
@baltes the soul when it get confused about the purpose of life everything becomes meaningless no value for any life adults or kids he see all that as nothing 1234 it doesn’t matter. As we all get sick physically, mentally, emotionally but the most dangerous of sickness is the spiritual one. Check the places where spiritual values are zero suicide rate is higher crime is higher & so on .
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 😑 god gave everyone a brain and free will, its like killing someone then blaming god just because u can't be asked to use ur own brain
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 and when you enter an exam did the teacher helps you during the exam or u have to prepare ur self nicely to pass see God gives us Signs and sciences to fill our empty souls & thoughts & everyone of us knows his self what he missing & want just honestly face the truth.
Hey peeps , well where do I start, okay many thoughts to the families affected by this will mention this in my prayers tonight, the only thing I can say to all the families is your loved ones are in a better place and understand that they are still around in another place we call heaven and all are in very good hands this I know for sure because I have interactions with spirits whenever I feel the need to, and none are feeling any pain if I could take away all your greaving and hurting I would, I'm truly sorry you all have to endure such braking of hearts because a person had been given a gun license that he should never have been given...God Bless You All.
@@princeandyonane8946 Oke, Mr fake Doctor, 1st I don't worry about those who accuse & make up stories without any evidence. But I wonder what is bothering you that I said or did I speak about your political party . Lol Or is this your way of trying silence other's who you disagree, well sorry it doesn't work. Free speech still exists.
Why why why would you give a gun licence to a man who has no reason to have a gun wtf 🤔 why the police are to blame for this 🤔if he'd had a gun this wouldn't have happened i thought the police had learnt from Hungerford guess not . So sad r.i.p to all gone in such tragic way 😢
What a stupid comment!!!! My sons haven't had a father in their life after he walked away. I have 2 amazing lads who wouldn't hurt anyone! That has nothing to do with what this evil person did to those poor people 😢
@@KH-xv5gm people think having a father in your life would resolve everything!!! I didn’t have a father or a mother growing up it didn’t make me an angry person who blames life.
People with mental health issues easily get firearms in the UK. Many of them are police officers. There people who aren't on the radar and will have committed offences and never had their gun taken from them.
Mum: asked for mental help for him.
The system: gives him a gun license.
What has this world come to?
His mother asked for mental health, I had problems to get mental health for my husband but thanks to a judge order he had to assist to the psychiatrist. It was a car accident but there is too much stigma around. There are new laws for mental Illness now, we can go for a member of the family. I'm very sorry.
@@TecOneself i am so so sorry your husband isnt getting the help he deserves. Its not fair the cut to mental health has happend. My partner is having the same problems with help. Stay strong. Your not alone xx
@@ajakuk1 Thank you, he just had a car accident and his mind mixed. But trust me he his much better, the Government helped him by law, he had to go to Psychiatrist by law, they gave him a studio and his monthly money. So people now don't abuse him now and he does not need to bother the family for help. It was not easy for me to bring him to justice, but I explained to the judge that he was innocent. Doctors and social workers helped me during 9 years and I did it for me children. He was in danger and now is safe, but I wont say is very easy. The UK broad new laws now for members of family to come closer. In countries like Canada or Spain they can't internet, I know in USA they can. It depends on social awareness and families. It can happen to anyone. I had to separate because they blame it on you, but it was my way of loving him (sending him to court). I wrote about a new form of bringing this issues, not in court as a judgement, even do the judge was not judging him and he suggested him very kindly. Many hugs for all around, this issue has affected me somehow.
The problem is that the main users of shotguns are farmers (a very powerful lobby in this country) and landed classes (composing a significant percentage of the cabinet, including the PM). Nobody should have a licence to hold a lethal weapon.
He beat his dad up recently, so I’ve read.
It’s so awful, to think i have a 4 year old sister i am truly so sorry for the family’s
On what grounds was he granted a license for the gun? There actually needs to be an internal investigation here, someone from the local police needs to be held accountable.
I'm confused to why you don't think that there would be an investigation going on already.
@@abbyalphonse499 1. There was no mention in this video of an inquest in to why or how he obtained the license / if there were checks carried out to assess his mental state.
2. The chief constable deflected attention to protect the persons responsible by saying “they can’t look at people’s background on social media” - which they should definitely be doing.
You seem to know more than what’s being said so do enlighten me.
One of the comments by the police was "they cannot trawl social media for issues regarding gun licensing", well they can for tax issues using the connect database, why can't that be done for unstable people. The police have a lot to answer for here, why does a 22 year old have a gun license, why does anyone unless they live on a farm or some sort of security professional.
@Dean Clark No but hmrc does, if they can why can't it be done to weed out loonies with shotguns
Billions of posts a day it's not really viable, most murderers don't announce their intentions on social media so it's largely irrelevant.
I lived across the road from there when I was little for a short while before moving to another part of the city, Keyham does have a strong community and some wonderful people I am friends with live near there. My heart goes out to the families of the victims. Serious questions need to be asked about how someone like this ended up with a deadly weapon and how resources are being used for helping those with mental health issues.
The system needs to change. The scariest part is there's no mental health system for the younger generation. My condolences to the victims families and the community.
So this could of all been avoided,
If he had a girlfriend.
There is a fantastic mental health system which young girls and women can easily access.
Boys and men are told to grow a pair and man up. They get zero mental health help.
@@marksherrit5874 that is a big lie. Just pay a visit to any CRISIS facility and see how many young men are being treated there for mental health issues. Go to psych wards and see loads of young men who have been sectioned. The problem is that a lot of times these people decline help even when it’s offered
@@marksherrit5874 it’s that toxic masculinity of grow a pair and boys don’t cry that needs to be done away with
Why did the police give him the firearm licence for a shotgun?
And an automatic weapon… wtf?
The trouble is, if you have a clean record you are fine to have a gun licence. But it’s always the edge you may cross. I’d quite like to have one of those babies in to fire in the woods or something at tin cans and stuff. Certainly not animals or people; But there is always that desire for someone to do that!!
Even worse, they took it away and he got it back a month ago, he was discussing spree killing on Reddit, he planned this.
What gun did he use? How do you turn a shotgun on yourself? The barrel is fairly long no if it's the kind of farmer shotgun I'm thinking of
Anything over 3 shell capacity requires an FAC.
What was the reason for him to be granted a gun licence why did he need it for in the first place.anyone know rip the victims
How on earth can someone who’s had enough justify killing a small child? There’s no justifying the other killings either.if someone of adult age wants to end their life,then it’s surely their right as their life belongs to them.you don’t take innocent people with you.
@mortalwombat he obviously wanted to make a name for himself.of course he knew what he was doing
@@kenjohnson1041 What he did was entirely wrong and unjustified. But maybe it was a cry of help or despair? Think about it if he only shot himself you and barely anyone would have heard if him or what he was struggling with. Again completely morally wrong of him to do what he did but look at how acknowledged he is now compared to before
@@liamcraddock9539 people don’t go round doing this when it’s a cry for help.if he wanted someone to talk to him,he wouldn’t have taken his own life.ok,he’s made a name for himself but the reality is,it won’t be long before everyone who didn’t lose someone forget and carry on as normal
@@kenjohnson1041 Living in the same country I can say from experience it's very difficult trying to get help with that sort of stuff and very few people care about you in those circumstances. Still it would be wrong and evil to do what he did but the guy clearly saw that as the only way to get anyone to notice what he was going through.
noone is innocent :)
im so sorry as well my condolences to all, why did a disturbed 22 year old have a arms licence.
Why should anybody? Better safe than sorry.
Banality of evil. Mental health stigma as well as cuts to services makes it very hard to get help for a mentally ill family member. I am so sorry for those who lost their lives.
dave goldfarp
i had guns but stopped hunting..Pistols for a job....2nd amendment no gun problems just rights squeezed....
A gun license for a person with a mental illness? Well done, to the local council and police.
This happens way too often…
Most people will struggle with their mental health at some point so it does no good to stigmatize the mentally ill. The real problem is the type of people who want to own guns in the first place - I've met a few and every single one of them was a spiteful and cowardly little man.
Yeah if this was somebody with different religious views they would have been called a homeland terrorist ?
No they would've went out of their way to say it had nothing to do with Islam, and withhold his identity for several hours.
no, terrorists use 'terror' as a method of promoting a political or religious message... this man had no motive, that's like the whole point of what separates a terrorist from a deranged mental patient like him. Clearly you're trying to suggest that the police is racist but no, you're just not educated on the subject.
@boris horvath. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. If it was someone of another ethnic group the commentators on this thread would not have any empathy for the mad killer.
I feel truly sorry for all the families of the totally innocent victims, especially for the 3 year old child who had her whole life ahead of her. It makes me absolutely sick to me stomach 😭🤢
Don't you feel sorry for the millions of unborn kids killed everyday by women? Wasn't their whole life ahead of them as well? Wasn't the 3 years old a clump of cells as well?
@@mehulchoudhary5136 Your reply has no relevance
@@paulobryano cry more
@@paulobryano Your comment didn't have any relevance in the first place. How is killing someone after birth more cruel than killing someone before birth? You can't answer such simple question. You are a woman, I can tell easily.
@@mehulchoudhary5136 Firstly you are wrong that I'm a woman. Also you replied with something completely unrelated trying to start an argument where there was none. F off troll
This is awful. I feel so bad for those victims, there families and the community as a whole. My condolences for real.
Nobody is 'used' to gun crime.
Right. The tone of this report is odd to say the least. I guess because i live in London i must be 'used' to gun crime? 🙄. Such BS 😒
mental health starts with emotional support from birth - we need to look at what kids need as they develop and not just take a sticking plaster approach
Children are our responsibility to many children are not given the love and support from birth Young mothers were having babies at school age they were kids themselves poor babies left to one side I was 20 when I had my fist child and i thought I was too young and it was too much responsibility I had a good caring husband but many today thinking it’s ok to be a single parent I needed the backup of my husband to make a family unit It’s the most natural thing in the world and we have lost it
@@milels6917 a parent being desperate for a husband / wife also leaves a child vulnerable to maltreatment - and can make people think that being married to a bully is more important than shield your child from bullying at home. when kids are abused at home , it is common for the parent who did not directly abuse the child to not believe the child or downplay or ignore the abuse. that is called enabling. it's becoming apparent that a loud minority of parents are not emotionally mature enough to raise a child whether they are married or not. they can only mature if we set a social standard and stop babying the parents and put kids wellbeing and rights first.
She said we will probably never know why he did what he did......he was unstable he literally had enough, by the sounds of it, this had been going on for a while. If you do not get the support you need when you need it, unfortunately things like this can and will happen. I can say for certainty is that there was countless reasons and bad experiences that had led him to do what he did, not one reason. So sad he felt the need to do such a thing and that was his only option at the time soso sad. Please reach out to friends and family if you think somethings not quite right, it's really hard to understand what each of us is going through without reaching out first
100% agree with you on that
I have a grandson who can’t communicate sits in his bedroom all the time I worry for him when he had a girlfriend she let him down because travelling too see-him or he her become difficult during lockdown said she would have to end their relationship he became more isolated sad lonely this would not have happened if not for the pressures of lockdown Hopefully 🙏 he will get better but must be lots like this This generation is a sad one
very well said. 💘 lovely
@@chrismumford8250 Thanks Chris, I recognise that name did you ever study IT at City College Plymouth?
everybody involved in providing the gun needs to be prosecuted for "accomplice in crime"
OK.,I have a hgv licence and could kill a lot more people with 44 tonnes of steel travelling at 56 mph into stationary traffic, lets send the examiner that passed me to jail.
@@Luton-Mick Yes and if you gave your truck to someone with mental problems or gave it to someone without a hgv licence or if you gave it to a kid and any of them killed 5 people then you would be an accomplice in crime
Why was this man given a gun licence.
Why indeed. Just because he was sane when granted the license does not mean he will be sane for the next renewal
@@kimgrant3879 exactly
@@kimgrant3879 by your logic, then we shouldn’t even be giving gun licences to anyone then.
@@romeolarenzo3929 Of course we shouldn't, nobody needs a shotgun.
@@romeolarenzo3929 not to everyone no. Especially if they don't really need them.
Why the fk has a 22 year old been given a firearms license in the first place? It should only be issued to farmers and police its just insane!
Exactly makes no sense
unpopular opinion, but it's very difficult to tell if someone is actually recovering from a mental illness or not. The system for gun control is actually very good, but there will always be a freak incident in 30 years.
@Andrew Howe 22 year old aren't the most stable people
stop the sale of fire arms,
The Etonians feel they have a right to sadistically kill harmless animals. Public safety doesn't come into it.
I don't think guns are the issue
Good luck cutting your vegetables or meat with blunt knives too.
Blame the police not the gun owners
@@ThatTallGuy0 Jake Davison was not a criminal before he went on his rampage. The same as most of the other nutters who have gone on killing sprees in the UK. Dunblane, Hungerford, Cumbria were all massacres committed with legally held arms that is the problem.
The media and goverment play a part in all of this! God bless the families and may the dead RIP.
Unlawful murders due to registered firearms this year: 5
Unlawful murders due to illegal firearms, knives and other weapons: ?
Probably in the hundreds if not well over 1000. It's clear what the agenda is here.
Why is anyone allowed a gun ffs
Sport?
This isn’t gun owners faults this is the polices fault for giving an unstable man back his fire arms license even though it was taken away from him not much earlier
@@ThatTallGuy0 anyone can become unstable... in-between gun inspections or reports or however its done.. people can lie ..
He could of used knives ..by using a gun he was able to inflict massive damage in a little amount if time .. therefore it is all about the weapon .. the gun.
Now imagine this every day. Hello America
No thanks.
Coming to a street near you. Welcome to EvilUS-ification of the whole world.
Imagine this but with knives... You don't need to imagine that's our country
@@liamcraddock9539 Hmmm...knives or guns? Hmmmm...which one kills more people in less time? Not sure if you understand.
@@Metonymy1979 Depends because the bad guy will have a hard time if there's good people with guns to defend themselves
This wasn’t a mental health issue, he recently beat up his dad, this is domestic abuse, which he took out on strangers. This is about entitlement, what he felt he deserved.
He planned this killing, he was on Reddit talking about spree killing very recently.
The police are also to blame, they took his gun license and returned it.
Why not check with other agencies before issuing a license, eg GP or family. It’s not hard to do.
😞😞
Exactly
Ahhh everyone is entitled to there opinions I guess🤷♂️
@@kyleburgess5399 i watched his videos rambling before it was all removed... Honestly it was hard to see a vunerable person there. He had a perpetrator mentality, he was really angry w the world and felt as if it was the worlds fault for his misfortunes. But yes, everyone will take it and see it differently
you can't rule out mental health issue. entitlement and victimhood lie at the root of narcissistic personality disorder which is a mental health problem and suicidality is considered a mental health symptom too.
and i'd rather have less people with violent tendencies in general than just less access to weapons.
very few people are born with genetically low capacity for empathy compared to the number of violent people there are.
emotional security is central to everything a person does but culturally we look at emotional abuse and suicidality in a pretty superficial way.
humans have the longest development period of any species - the decision-making part of the brain is still rewiring in your 20s but we barely address the emotional needs of kids and young adults. and we don't consider the emotional maturity of adults at all!
If this was America it would hardly make news.
Why would it make the news? There's a shooting involving 4 or more people nearly every day in the US.
@@lynchthis1 Truth hurts huh?
Professional doctors ruclips.net/video/BGrfZdxVHKY/видео.html
@@rashad123us yup, more than one a day on average.
Only democrat run cities like Chicago,Baltimore and Portland!
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Blimey I am fed up with Life fed up of living but I don't go out shooting people...why on earth grant anyone a gun license here in Plymouth?
What you get when you cut mental health services year on year. Would it be any less worse if he used a hammer and only killed 3?
Three dead is 50% less worse than six dead.
@@PNETriffid it's still 100% for those that are.
I mean.... yeah. It would. What a weird thing to say.
@Dean Clark I never mentioned the "ease" in in the way it was done?
@Dean Clark to me chasing a fox down until its exhausted and then setting about it with some hammers sounds a lot worse than shooting it it that's what your into.
What a horrible incident. Before we bombard the police with abuse over the gun license issue, we must understand why and when the license was issued. My parents both have their firearms certificates and they are really hard to not only gain but maintain. This is an awful incident and must be investigated throughly, and until it is investigated we cannot pass judgement.
It would be a lot easier if we just banned shotguns. Having a licence does not in any way guarantee mental stability. I have no evidence that your parents are a danger to society, but why do they need a shotgun?
Why do your parents need firearms in UK?
For protection ennit!!! You never know when you will come across an angry 22 year old
@Andrew Howe 'but you’re too lazy to use google'. If you say so. You're obviously too lazy (and rude) to write a reasoned response. I don't think there are any good reasons for a civilian to have a shotgun. Hence my rhetorical question.
@Andrew Howe I refer you to my earlier comment.
“What the police can’t do it trawl peoples’ media looking at peoples’ private lives and what offs” - yes, but they don’t have to do this for everyone but the few that apply for gun licenses. That is a must.
Only people who are fucked in the head want to own guns in the first place. So yeah, people should be on the radar just for applying for a gun license.
He had a shotgun. A SHOTGUN! How and why does a 22yo get approved for a shotgun permit in a residential area (not a farm)?! What would he need it for? Is this how they "screen" people?!
He probably joined a clay pigeon shooting club..I could of easily got a shotgun licence and I live in North London.
@@Luton-Mick are you serious? In a country where women are not allowed to even carry pepper spray for self defence they allow a 22yo man a shotgun to shoot pidgeon clays? Is this for real?!
Media outlets stating the incident was linked to the 'incel movement' as if it were a political party...he was an unstable loner with access to firearms. End of.
The woman described her son as “that weirdo”
Angry young men online. How about society being more inclusive and accepting so that we have less angry young men feeling left out.
We can start by not discouraging and demonizing people for their sexuality, the way the look, what skin colour they have and who they are.
We simply have to care for each for who we are.
Could you elaborate on that?
So it’s not his fault for brutally murdering a 3 year old, his own mother and three other innocent people.
@Evi F do you not think this is one of the reasons this man lost it? he failed everyone's expectations of his privilege. he was an incel, fascists are radicalising them online by telling them it's not their fault they can't get a girlfriend its women's. These people need therapy and that comes from fully funded mental health service not from laughing at them saying haha you couldn't even succeed as a straight-cis-white man. that will only drive them to further radicalisation.
@Evi F I like your analysis & see where your coming from. I hope young people in this country can continue to be ever so more caring, inclusive & understanding (that's what I'm seeing in my child's primary school) To me this guy's big mistake was his unrealistic expectations & his attachment to the right wing trump era propogander, which would have fed right into & cemented those narcissistic, abusive thoughts & attitudes.
@UCKd2CUlZyrhJj_geE8YGbmQ regardless this is a mental health problem, I'm not pitying him but the only way we stop this happening again is by investing in mental health services to get people like this help. Maybe all he needed was a therapist to explain "Hey, a lot of people are mediocre. Mostly everyone is average in some way. There is no loss in pride being average." to him?
Truly horrifying stuff. The poor victims and their loved ones
I think the media should leave these people alone now and let the families come to terms with the loss of their loved one's. I understand investigations need to happen but think of those poor families having to see his evil face and Constantly repeating the traumatic events! All for a story 😡
So he has spent two years at least with depression and mental problems, even referred to the GP but nobody thought this young man shouldn’t have had a gun. Unfortunately he would have done the same with a knife or an axe.
They should remove the word “domestic” from this kind of crime.
Why??
No, it was domestic abuse, he was abusing his parents, recently beat up his dad. Hence killing his mum, and her being the first victim, this was his initial intention, to take her out, the poor strangers he murdered were collateral to him.
dave goldfarp
i had guns but stopped hunting..Pistols for a job....2nd amendment no gun problems just rights squeezed....
@@davegoldfarb no 2nd amendment in the U.K. luckily.
Listening to him he sounded like he had a very negative attitude and appeared to be a bully. Seemed ungrateful! It's so tragic.
There are computer algorithms to red flag people saying bad things.
But they exist for each site, independently from within. I guess we are getting there. Im so sorry.
Only about the cover up government
@@3D_Printing no…
22 years old can have gun and is okay with that why he got the license
You can still call him a terrorist just because he’s not a Muslim ?
Let the police investigate.
They will never
The Police are to blame.They don't do their job properly. If they can't do it, give the role to private specialist companies. They have been messing up way too long for it just to be overlooked as this tragedy will happen frequently.
Agreed.
the fact that this is one incident in 30 years is actually quite impressive, obviously it's horrific but the system is pretty solid
You've never been in the police have you?
It's sad because they spend quite a lot of time doing things like finding and prosecuting people for "hate speech" on the internet, such as posting mean tweets which believe it or not get people in the UK arrested. Or in the case of Count Dankula arrested and taken to court over a joke. Yet basic policing to keep people safe like proper background checks on gun licences or keeping people safe from violent criminals they don't have the funding for or go ignored. It's fucking insane.
Mental Healthcare in the UK is shocking
Society has become fragmented, individualists and lacks cohesion... healthcare is not a panacea for wider sociological problems.
@@WH-hi5ew You're the first person I've seen who has pointed this out. Increasing amount of mental health issues are themselves a symptom of other problems in society. We've abandoned a lot of traditional values which we've spent thousands of years perfecting, selecting instead for rapid progressive changes for which we have zero understanding how they'll play out on wider society. Mental healthcare is extremely important but it's a bandaid over the real problems which is why this is even happening in the first place. I suspect mental health issues are increasing in young men in part due to lack of fathers around, many of the social changes such as rapid increase in divorces and single mothers are a serious problem, so we need to look at why those things have increased and why families are breaking down.
@@Frosty-oj6hw I agree, you've worded this insight well. A the incel inspired killer and a teenage girls self-harming in her bedroom and and the isolated, lonely elderly are all symptoms of the same underlying societal disease.
@@WH-hi5ew Apropos to this I've just finished watching Jordan Peterson talk with Warren Farrell about the importance of 2 parent families and how important both roles are for balanced development of children. Shockingly he predicts an increase in school shootings, citing the majority of shootings with at least 10 victims are from boys who lack a father in the home. I believe this podcast was recorded prior to the shooting so it's almost spooky to see how relevant this is. As you say it's probably shares a common source with these other social problems, I knew of both lonely elderly problem and self harm especially with girls, but I'd never really connected those dots as clearly. That's real food for thought, appreciate you pointing that out. You should definitely watch the podcast I mentioned it's full of extremely interested related facts/data ruclips.net/video/IpPr5i1aHjE/видео.html
@@Frosty-oj6hw Enjoyed the podcast though I find Peterson more of a natural polemicist than social scientist in this context. i.e., I'd argue that the erosion of two parents families is itself (like the other issues) a product of the underlying economically driven changes in society that occurs in post-industrial society. That said, another reason why school shootings and indeed general homicides are much higher in the USA vs UK, is that the former is flooded with freely available handguns. Indeed now in greater numbers now than there are actual people in the USA itself! Just like climate change, abortion and Covid-19... the gun issue is seemingly held immobile in the ongoing US culture war.
Who is the really Terrorist here?
What’s the point in revoking a gun only to restore it to the madman, this doesn’t make sense and the office who decided to give back the gun should be fired
I think they revoked it for an assault charge (from what I know). If he was not found guilty for it then they probably couldn't keep it revoked.
Sorry...a community like what? 🙄😒
Edit: I guess because i live in London i must be 'used' to gun crime? 🙄. Such BS 😒
@thatdog barkz. I know! What a stupid statement. I live in south london and I’m not accustomed to guns at all, let alone mass shootings.
I’ve never witnessed a crime living in London or visiting Jamaica over the past 37 years.
Britain is to close to US culture. The system here is clearly broken. The world needs love and peace 🙏🏽
I 🙏🏽🔥✝️FOR THE PEOPLE OF PLYMOUTH,AND OUR COUNTRY🇬🇧MAY THE LORD BLANKET US WITH OUR SURE PROTECTION.
Not sure a high five in your comment was needed
In Jesus name,Amen 🙏
HAIL LORD BLANKET
gunman? or terrorist?
ill tell you why he did it because he had mental health problems and use gave him a gun and he shoot a 3 year old baby well done justice system
its starting to look a lot like the USA ❤️
The question you have to ask yourself, is why did he do this?
People are so different think we are somewhat the same but we aren't at all you dont know who is around you! Its scary to dwell on!
The devil had a part to play
The very slow decline into a dystopian nightmare
@@amirahabdi Oh right, sure he did.
What kind of gun was it? How does one turn a shotgun upon himself? They have long barrels, so I'm curious to know what kind of gun it was
@Shock Value Probably why he turned the gun on himself. There are few humans on earth who won't feel awful after killing another human, justified or not.
So tragic for all involved. How devastating for all the families. May they rest in peace all those that have died. May God give them his peace through Jesus Christ. Amen.
Shave and Haircut might have helped him better Socialise
The young man who was a terrorist. !
There's a lot of issues with men and mental health its on the rise.
Men are completely ignored when it comes to mental health. If a woman has a runny eye she's bombarded with psychiatry.
@@marksherrit5874 If we live in a culture that is unsupportive of mens mental health, it’s men that made it that way.
@@remotefaith Rubbish. Men aren’t to blame for everything. You’ve based your opinion on the assumption that men have been the only gender responsible for how society is created and women are just meek, mild and subservient.
@@remotefaith true but we also live in a culture of prosperity and greatness... all man made too so what's your point? Woman played zero part in any of the way the world is shaped.
R.I.P those that died, condolences to the families ..
My question is .. why does a 22yr need a gun licence? I think it needs to be like police & other services, farmers etc but not members of the public.
Remember it's not the gun that kills people.. its the person holding them. He obviously had some kind of breakdown... to kill people and 3yr and then to take his own life.
Prayers 🙏 go out to the families from me & my family.
Farmers are members of the public and anyone should a gun if they have a good reason
@@dyhale yes but farmers need gun to protect their flock, crop etc that's their money.. hence I mentioned farmers .. but say a Normal village/ town etc why do you need a gun ??
With all this gun violence its just not right 😕 no need for it .
@@mummyminxy shooting clubs exist
@@dyhale yes exactly, keep guns at those clubs.
@@mummyminxy that's the reason why most people have a license other than pest control so that's the reason to have on in s town or me were I live in town but the family have a Field witch is used has a farm but I would have to leave in my place because they don't have one and we decided that I would do the pest control on the field/farm.
News is just taking this story to far now ,move on and leave the locals to get bk to there lives stop knocking on doors asking for a story or dash cams of him doing it
I don’t need to know his route he took only people that need to know this is the police
Stop being private investigators
HATE CRIME
Hate crime insinuates some sort cognition going on; a common target. This guy was obviously just shooting anyone who unfortunately crossed his path. He obviously cracked under mental health pressure, and as ‘shootings’ usually make big headlines in world media, that’s probably why people like him, who have been crying for attention for so long and not getting any, decide to end their lives this way.
@@mwatsonanimation im saying people have the right to be forgotten..not be followed around by abusers from their past
@@connynielson8686 I don’t really get who or what are you referring to? His attacks were random. Apart from his mother.
I have seen the shooter's reddit account. He had mental health problems and clearly needed help it is so fucked up what he did it could have been prevented
Someone is supposed to do a background check, right? What happened?
I’m very sorry for the families and friends of the victims. God bless them all.
All we've been hearing from the feminist-driven media is "incel incel incel incel" then we find out he was addicted to steroids. Gee, I wonder what could have caused him to lash out like a violent psychopath?
Nobody is used to gun crime lady
kate grey you didnt grow up here...david grey the artist is a lecturer from newcastke upon tyne ..and so are you!!!
I didn’t know you could get a gun license in the uk I didn’t think they were allowed at all.
So why did you give a 22yr old a gun?? Why did he need it??
Shotguns are allowed as long as you can demonstrate a very convincing reason for needing it, no criminal record and a clean bill of mental health. Shooting up your neighborhood isn't generally a valid reason so I do wonder how he got his.
@@andyr4941 Damn that’s shocking I thought farmers were the only ones who would have a reason to have one
@@k3v1n96iy Clay pigeon shooting is still allowed, I've legally fired shotguns at clay pigeon ranges. Where I live, every Saturday the whole day is punctuated with the noise of shotguns going off at the shooting range down the road. Not sure what the exact law is but I think you are still allowed to own a shotgun for hunting, gamekeeping or sport. I suspect there are restrictions on how the guns are kept etc.
I thought fire arms were illegal
The bloke's Mother was trying to get him sectioned saying that he was mentally unfit. It is a clear revenge motive and well if I am going to kill my own Mother, then I will go out with a bang and take a few more people along the way. Sadly, his name will go down in history for all of the wrong reasons, the chances are that he knew the people that he shot, especially if the residence was his Mother's, the only good thing was that he had the bottle to take his own life, rather than spending his life in prison at the tax payers expense.
Did you know anyone involved?
Killing himself means society cannot learn from its mistakes.
@@saraswatkin9226 What utter RUBBISH. You do not see people in jail do you? Any fool knows or should know not to go around killing people. You have had criminals such as this locked up for decades, but society does not learn anything from it.
In this life you only really get recognised immediately for doing something infamous, there's very few people who haven't heard of Hitler...
@@marksherrit5874 You do not hear about Hitler because it is banned and illegal to talk about him. Why do you think that people making nazi salutes or have nazi flags get arrested for. A lot of history is being covered up from the real truth. The left wing only teach what they want to teach.
Terrorist killed six
Say it as it is
Come on. Trolling right now is not ok. Yes, if you include this terrorist it is 6-but he wasn’t murdered-he was a murderer who committed suicide.
@@judysalt3698 being a terrorist sympathiser is definitely not ok right now
No ifs and buts
A child is dead for god sake
Go hard or go home
Let me get this right - he killed his own mother!! That surely is HATE for women.
Incels rarely have respect for women
@@jx6782 and when they congregate on line those ones dominate the bubble. not surprising they are being radicalised to neo-Nazis if you think about Nazi attitudes towards women.
i dont know anything about this family but - a parent-child relationship is like no other. and for some context: LOTS of kids are maltreated at home - 1 in 5 adults in the uk report being maltreated as kids, the majority of perpetrators are known to the child .. very few people are born with a low capacity for empathy. we need to spell out what is and isn't abuse to parents as well as kids if we want to stop raising people who hate this much. insecurities about power come from somewhere.
@@jantelopez5626 as someone who has fallen into a online right wing bubble in the past this is as much about online radicalisation as it is about mental health and upbringing. if an unstable person is radicalised online this is what they do. you have to both stop radicalisation and support their mental health.
@@Jay_Johnson who does the grooming tho? what makes a person lack empathy? and why does the proportion of adults who report having abusive upbringings seem to be staying the same across all social backgrounds?
looking at anything just at the surface level isn't enough with social matters. cycles of abuse and bullying carry on for generations and now there's a lot of money in it
So much for gun regulation in the UK. Sigh
@Scout & About agreed
Of course, they don't give firearms to just anyone, you must either be a game keeper, a farmer or mentally ill to qualify.
Disgusting
Not entitled to get help with your mental health but fully entitled to own a firearm. And most shocking of all labelling the situation as an angry individual instead of addressing the matter in question. Them matters being how in a country that supposedly cracks down in access to guns has a young person owning one & also to why after coming forward about their struggles/problems, Mental health treatment is still rejected or out on a waiting list. Rejection of MH therapy is why things like this happen. It happens in the US everyday to which some cases don’t even make it it to the news.
May the victims rest in peace with condolences to the families. And leave that poor community & neighbourhood alone for god sake. They’ve been through enough and don’t need knocking on theirs doors for fools like you reporters. Let the community grieve and reflect and try see what can be done next to make future potential incidents like this preventable. The government have some explaining to do about these fire arm licenses being handed to anyone willy Nilly. Firearms that only should be used by armed forces, police or farmers.
I'm alot more concerned about the lack of support people get in regards to mental health, there is 100s no probably 1,000s of people feeling and thinking the same.....What's the point?
A normal person man or woman do not need guns
I'm normal! I am married with two lovely children. Tree surgeon with a love for cars and my hobbies are clay pigeon shooting or pest control...
@@StuartOliver83 yes shot gun can be left at club pest control air rifle for rats and most flying things
@@stuartnicol1947 air rifle for birds isn't humane and can't hit flying moving things with an underpowered air rifle and also I have my shotguns locked up and available at anytime I decided to go out and use them,to have them at a club isn't convenient for me,the problem isn't the gun it's the person behind it.. this man shouldn't have had one due to his mental decline I agree with that and it's horrific what has happened but this man would've done the same thing but with a knife or car and then what? Do we ban cars or kitchen knives? No we don't... I'm married with two lovely children and my hobbies are cars and when I get time off I like to head into the countryside and shoot some clays with my mate and have a catch up so why should that be taken because of one man's actions? The problem is that if things get banned constantly then what do we have? No fun fast cars no shooting hobby no alcohol just work then home then work then home? This problem needs to be addressed but not at the cost of law abiding citizens my friend
@@stuartnicol1947 reply to me mate this is a fair debate between two guys trying to find common ground 👍🏻
@@StuartOliver83 but that is my point every o e is normal till something goes wrong i agree that they would find other ways to kill but we need to make it harder in some way as a young man I was an airgunner but even that has become harder to do and looked down on
“Little patchwork of houses “
His last victim was 66 years old, which made 6 dead. Satan definitely had a hand in this "man's" actions.
Yes ofcus the devil must of whispered in his ear and encouraged him to go ahead an kill those people then told him now finish off yourself…..and he just said “yes sir”
@@amirahabdi Yep, that's how it works. Unfortunately there's an adgenda being put out about how humans can identify, we no longer have to be male/ female gay or straight. If there's any psychological issues with a person nowadays you can just stick a label it whatever it be, then before you know you have groups and organizations, and God forbid if you try and speak out against them, no, that would be politically incorrect, everyone's forgot what's morally correct. What was it he identified as again??? Oh yeah, an "Incel" one who desires a partner but doesn't have the ability to get one, whether it be looks, weight etc. He definitely had issues, and this internet sub-culture of identity issues sure is one of satans devices. He kills, lies and destroys, oh and above all he deceives.
Loon detected
@@andyr4941 I take it you're an atheist, that's fine. But a loon i am not. Everything in Scripture is 100% truth. Prophesies have been coming to pass hundreds of years before they take place since time began in this age. Unless you know your Creator and the Holy Spirit you just won't get it anyway. But for the sake of your soul you should really look at why we are going through what we are in the world today and who's behind it, the deception runs deep. Everything is coming to pass EXACTLY AS IT IS WRITTEN. So it's you who will answer to God. And what would you say when He asks you why you don't know Him and have never searched for Him, ESPECIALLY in this day and age, we have knowledge at our fingertips. You my dear will have no answer for Him.
The very slow decline into a dystopian nightmare
I can't think of a single good reason why anybody should have a shotgun. Yes I know, most shotgun owners aren't murderous, incel nutters, but it still doesn't justify the risk. A farmer does not need a shotgun, there are no dangerous animals roaming the countryside (except possibly his bulls). I don't care if it curtails some people's enjoyment of clay-pigeon shooting. Go and play a shoot-em up computer game. The risk to wider society is too great. I suspect if the upper classes weren't so fond of sadistically killing harmless animals shotguns would have been banned long ago.
wait everyone cries because 5 people died xD? i mean many more people are dying on daily basis
He's an actor.
i had guns but stopped hunting..Pistols for a job....2nd amendment no gun problems just rights squeezed....
Machine learning and Artificial Intelligence should be part of policing to tackle any kind of Terror and Mental health-related gunshot in the UK. This is very awful.
eh?
How can AI predict a 6 minute incident?
@Andrew Howe Agreed. But when it comes to something like this appearing in the news, everyone's suddenly a politician.
@Andrew Howe It's the bog-standard news/media thing.
Bad thing happens on the news, media hypes it up as much as possible, everyone gets paranoid, voices their own opinion and thinks they know the absolute solution, regardless of their knowledge on the subject, and then it gets forgotten by the end of the week.
@@anonomous8719 - So far we know, the gunman has uploaded a video on youtube and on Facebook explaining his depression and frustration. He explained his wish to be a terminator. If the police had an appropriate AI system to monitor everyday social media posts and linking up with the person's other information, they could raise an alarm of potential danger. This is not impossible but it needs only the right will and the appropriate allocation of resources! I hope you know how machine learning and AI system works.
Viruses will disrupt and destroy no nurturing
The police gave him his guns.
There is help for those struggling to find romance.
😂😂
This young man was empty & he fill his heart with hate & anger this guy mentally is fit but he is spiritually in deep trouble therefore he ends his life with other innocent people there is Quranic verse says (
124 But whoever has disregarded My Reminder-for him is a miserable life, and We will herd him on the Day of Resurrection blind.”125 He said, “My Lord, why did You herd me blind though I used to see?”126 He said, “Just as Our signs came to you and you forgot them, today you will be forgotten.”127 And thus We repay the one who was an extremist and did not believe in the signs of his Lord. And surely the punishment of the Hereafter is more severe and more lasting.[ Surah : Ţāhā ])
If God is going to punish him in the after life, why didn't God help him and free him from the hate and anger this man had?
@baltes the soul when it get confused about the purpose of life everything becomes meaningless no value for any life adults or kids he see all that as nothing 1234 it doesn’t matter. As we all get sick physically, mentally, emotionally but the most dangerous of sickness is the spiritual one. Check the places where spiritual values are zero suicide rate is higher crime is higher & so on .
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 😑 god gave everyone a brain and free will, its like killing someone then blaming god just because u can't be asked to use ur own brain
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 and when you enter an exam did the teacher helps you during the exam or u have to prepare ur self nicely to pass see God gives us Signs and sciences to fill our empty souls & thoughts & everyone of us knows his self what he missing & want just honestly face the truth.
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 Because God doesn't exist, along with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
Did the lockdown play a part in this...mental health..
Could this be down to steroids and cocaine abuse nut cases with guns
They closed all of the mental health units. Etc. No support for the mentally ill.
Well not for men anyway... but that's not new.
Hey peeps , well where do I start, okay many thoughts to the families affected by this will mention this in my prayers tonight, the only thing I can say to all the families is your loved ones are in a better place and understand that they are still around in another place we call heaven and all are in very good hands this I know for sure because I have interactions with spirits whenever I feel the need to, and none are feeling any pain if I could take away all your greaving and hurting I would, I'm truly sorry you all have to endure such braking of hearts because a person had been given a gun license that he should never have been given...God Bless You All.
Where are right wing hate-preacher's. I am sure they are fine with the name gunman.
Are you on meds?
@@princeandyonane8946 Truth hurts.
@@zainzoala1083 I bet it does. That's why you're on meds.
@@princeandyonane8946 Oke, Mr fake Doctor, 1st I don't worry about those who accuse & make up stories without any evidence. But I wonder what is bothering you that I said or did I speak about your political party . Lol
Or is this your way of trying silence other's who you disagree, well sorry it doesn't work. Free speech still exists.
Are you ok? You seem to be spouting some sort of political nonsense irrelevant to what’s happened
Why why why would you give a gun licence to a man who has no reason to have a gun wtf 🤔 why the police are to blame for this 🤔if he'd had a gun this wouldn't have happened i thought the police had learnt from Hungerford guess not . So sad r.i.p to all gone in such tragic way 😢
Are we about to legalize firee arms , just asking??? Rest in peace for the innocent lives lost 🙏🙏🙏
What's with the high fire emojis?
@@gailraby2423 it's a prayer emoji . What is your issue with the emoji???
14:11 how many times is he gonna say "community" XD i hate politicians
Mummy's boy, sitting in his room , where was his father??
And it’s stupid comments like that is not needed
A 22 year old man doesn’t need a father silly
I’m sure his old enough and ugly enough to look after himself
What a stupid comment!!!! My sons haven't had a father in their life after he walked away. I have 2 amazing lads who wouldn't hurt anyone! That has nothing to do with what this evil person did to those poor people 😢
@@KH-xv5gm people think having a father in your life would resolve everything!!!
I didn’t have a father or a mother growing up it didn’t make me an angry person who blames life.
Pathetic macho bullshit
People with mental health issues easily get firearms in the UK. Many of them are police officers. There people who aren't on the radar and will have committed offences and never had their gun taken from them.
You WERE a safe city, mate. Wake up and smell the coffee. The entire country is frit.
For goodness sake! You make it sound like because of this one outlying incident, the U.K's going to collapse in a frenzy of violence!