Frank mentioned that laws point people towards morality and spoke of how almost no one now thinks slavery is acceptable. One immediately thinks though of the many laws in place that are destructive, a huge one being abortion as some kind of "right for women." Blurring the lines of sexuality and the sexes, cheapening life . . . These are some of the signs of societal decline.
nickj14711 Attacking someone's character rather than the subject matter tells all of us (including you) that you have no sufficient rebuttal to his statement. Trying to change the subject attacking his character is an attempt to discredit and defame him. Ergo you have nothing. Thanks for playing, try harder troll. Peace. End.
Nick Jones spare me on trying to teach me about his character. I know exactly the video you're talking about and you're asserting something that is not in the video. Because even he said that such a thing would not be from God in this day in age. Going back to the time before Jesus arrived bodily on Earth in the time of Abraham with his son you can see how that turned out. So trust in GOD is far more important than what you desire. Your feelings do not trump God. And you're owed nothing. You may object but you're not God. God is God. Not you. You prove the Bible correct every time you rebel against God.. You failed in your attempt to con me. Rule #1 know more about the truth than the person you're trying to mislead. SMH..... Your perspective is determined by your emotions and volitional reasons, rather than rational reasons. Emotional and volitional masquerading as rational to you. That is true for many many individuals. That's what your resistance is predicated on. Going back to the subject matter. It's still all true and unfortunately can't be refuted because we can test it to see if it is true. History and events are set, which when examined and followed through history will lead us exactly where we are today in mind and thought as a society. So tired of your red herrings, trolling and switching personalities from one identity to another. Honestly this is a fruitless conversation. It was in other times its no different this time. You want to waste your time on these chat sections that's your business.
@Nick Jones Let's put that into a little more perspective, shall we??? You are not Yahweh, so to claim something like that is to try and put yourself in the Mercy Seat. I think that was one of the very things Satan did that got him, along with a third of the angels, kicked out of Heaven. You and I are but mere humans. How can you, a creation made imperfect by sin, whose judgment can be clouded by his own emotions and feelings, who has finite knowledge, wisdom and understanding of everything in this universe, whose life can finish in the blink of an eye, whose opinion on objective morals can change at any point in time, claim superiority over the One who is absolutely perfect, whose judgment is hardly clouded by His emotions and feelings, who has infinite knowledge, wisdom, power and understanding of everything in the universe(since He created it), who cannot die and has always existed, and whose plans and morals have always stayed true and absolute, anymore than a child going through puberty claim to know more about this fallen world and right and wrong than his/her parents? I'd like you to answer me with one single sentence.
We need more radical christians who are passionate about establishing God’s will and kingdom on earth. We Christians these days are too “go with the flow” you know what I mean? It’s either that or we want Jesus to come and rescue us away with the rapture. We’re either too afraid or too comfortable, we need to start taking more ground for God.
While I agree, it is extremely hard for any fair and faithful Christian to compete in politics. Firstly, it's because most of the politicians and voters themselves are atheists, secondly, because political and banking system are two out of 4 faces of the Devil (Gospel of John), thus one simply cannot succeed without high amounts of money and political investment, most of which will be earned by sinful actions. If for example, church backed up political candidates or had their own, it could maybe work. On the other hand, righteous churches are nowadays a rarity too, so it would not be as easy as one might think.
NewLight 777 I've discovered that progressive Christians are part of the problem too. In biblical terms they have one foot in the church and one foot in with the world. Jesus expressly said he hates that. That which is compromising with the world when it goes against with what he says just to be politically correct. When it is actually biblically incorrect. They rationalize it by saying "you have to understand that the Bible was written in a time that is not how modern people live anymore. And so their biases show through the pages." What nonsense!
I always knew the church had a indirect hand in making the legislation of gay marriage come to pass. And hearing Frank say the major reason for marriage isn't adult romance but to have offspring is very helpful for me. Bc it actually works. Gays can't have offspring naturally (unless u want to get into the moral dilemma of surrogacy) Incest was accepted in the past (as many people will point out Abraham and Sarah were related and so forth) but for really good genes science has shown it's better for the parents to come from diverse backgrounds. Not the same Gene pool. And as the Bible says in Exodus it's an abomination for a man to sleep in his father's bed with his mother. (Technically we all come from the same Gene pool bc we have the same first parents. Adam and Eve. But u know what I mean right?) Anyway I think Frank gave a really strong response to Rebecca's question. A response that.. if I was honest.. I know I wouldn't be able to give myself. I would be no where near as adequately as him with explaining things. And I can't help but wonder... if my lack of eloquence in explaining biblical perspectives is due to the fact I'm not studying as hard as I should, or if that's a facet of understanding and prudence that comes with experience?? Anyone care to give their opinion?
+ nickj14711 "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men." (Matthew 5:13, KJV) But I would agree that someone who's new to Christianity should first read the Bible with an open mind, just to get knowledge first and to not jump to assumptions immediately (don't judge a verse if you haven't read the others). But once someone has done that, I think that what NewLight777 said is necessary.
+ Tori Ellise "1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And THERE ARE DIVERSITIES OF OPERATIONS, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 FOR TO ONE is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; TO ANOTHER the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 TO ANOTHER faith by the same Spirit; TO ANOTHER the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 TO ANOTHER the working of miracles; TO ANOTHER prophecy; TO ANOTHER discerning of spirits; TO ANOTHER divers kinds of tongues; TO ANOTHER the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, DIVIDING TO EVERY MAN SEVERALLY AS HE WILL. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 FOR THE BODY IS NOT ONE MEMBER, BUT MANY. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 BUT NOW HATH GOD SET THE MEMBERS EVERY ONE OF THEM IN THE BODY, AS IT HATH PLEASED HIM. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they MANY MEMBERS, YET BUT ONE BODY. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 ARE ALL APOSTLES? ARE ALL PROPHETS? ARE ALL TEACHERS? ARE ALL WORKERS OF MIRACLES? 30HAVE ALL THE GIFTS OF HEALING? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? DO ALL INTERPRET? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way." (1 Cor. 12:4-31, KJV) I highlighted a view parts of this chapter with CAPS but I think it speaks for itself.
We as Christians need to choose to maintain our fidelity. If we choose not to do such things, legal or not, then we will hold the line. It is about maintaining what we know, even when it is tough. It is hard to keep that line. Sin is everywhere & we are not immune.
nickj14711 'Sin is a crime against god!', O'Really? You can sin against yourself, God, your friend, your dad, etc.. Your tirade against it is in vain. You have a very ill-informed view of what that word means. When I sin against my father, what did I do? What is sin (the definition, not your personal belief about it)? Did you research that or just make it up? I do not want to come down to hard on you, but your ignorance is on display. If you do not understand a word, don't use it. Second, what do you mean, 'proof'? I have a largesse of evidence & arguments that lead to a clear view of God existing. You would need extra evidence to dismiss them rationally. Not that this is the issue. Do you have 'proof' God does not exist? You brought it up, it is therefore your contention. You are the person putting forth the truth claim (just in different phrasing). You can prove a negative also. There are no pink elephants in my hand. I can prove that. I can easily evidence my lack of sensation, use magnification, & set up the appropriate philosophical argument against it. That thing (pink elephants specifically in my hand) can be concluded as nonexistent. So, prove God does not exist. Feel free to restrict yourself to the Christian God specifically. Should be a cakewalk, right? You would not just come here insulting people & then have nothing to back that up, OR would you?
nickj14711 Sin (n): 1.A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate. 2. [Theology]. A condition of estrangement from God as a result of breaking His law. 3. Any offense, violation, fault, or error --See Synonyms at offense.-- Sin (intr. v.): 1. To commit a sinful act; violate a religious or moral law. 2. To commit an offense or violation; do wrong. You claiming sin as ONLY a violation against God is incorrect. The other definitions fit also. You told a falsehood, lying requires intent & I am not willing to prove that you intended to spread falsehood. Can you evidence my intent was to spread falsehoods? If you cannot, then I was not lying either. I was not lying, I know the intent. You most likely were, I believe you fully able to research a definition & tell others. I could be wrong, you might just be extremely stupid. I prefer to believe your intelligent. It seems the right thing to do, unless you provide evidence to the contrary. Second, your argument requires that God does not exist. You claimed sin did not exist in your argument. Your justification was, there is no God to sin against, so sin is not. Your understood premise in that argument is, 'God does not exist.'. If God exists, your argument is false. Evidence your claim. How do you come here, insulting these fine people, & then demand they do as you ask? You have sinned against them. Even if you do not believe in God, by definition, you are still a sinner. Provide 'credible evidence' God is not real or your statement of, 'QUOD ETAT DEMONSTRANDOM !', was premature in the extreme. If you cannot prove your premises (stated or understood), then your argument is a falsehood & most likely a lie. This will also prove your intelligence. Your reputation is on the line. Think before you answer kid. I have forgotten more than you probably know. God Bless
Nick Jones You are missing the point. I was making a claim that people who worship God also typically serve the government. This is a contradiction. If you want to focus on dishonesty, consider your statement about making a "contribution" to your government. Are you not FORCED to give up a portion of your earned income? Do you not realize Statism is also a religion?
The fig tree turns 70 yesterday... BASKET OF FIGS- The basket of figs have a great deal to do with you in this generation. Throughout the Scriptures Father likens the fig to many things, however; when addressing the end times He utilizes the fig to allow us to understand the prophecies of the Bible. Let's turn to the Word. Amos 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit. Summer fruit is mature and ripe. It is ready to harvest. Amos 8:2 And He said "Amos, what seest thou?" And I said, "A basket of summer fruit." Then said the LORD unto me, "The end is come upon My People of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more. Some of the summer figs at the end time will be ripe for chastisement. Why? Let's skip to verse eleven. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: I am certain Father becomes irritated by His children that don't pay attention to Him. He has written a letter to His children. Those that study His letter are equipped with the knowledge to deal with the events of the end time. The cause of chastisement is a lack of hearing the words of the Lord. Who is at fault? Let's turn to Jeremiah. Jeremiah 23:1-2 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture! saith the LORD. (2) Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed My People; Ye have scattered My flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doing, saith the Lord. God's people are hungry. They are looking for a solid foundation in their lives. Chastisement will not be light for those pastors that drive the sheep away. Jeremiah 23:3-4 And I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds: and they shall be fruitful and increase. (4) And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD. Under Christ's direction, the people will be fed. Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth. Through the seedline of David, Jesus Christ is promised. He will not return at the second advent as a babe. Jesus will execute judgement and justice. Justice for some means rewards. Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His name whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. You don't have to want to be fed the good pasture. Get into God's Word. Let's go to verse sixteen. In the next few verses, God tells you how to find a good pastor and what He expects of you seed planters. Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, ' Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you : they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. Out of the Mouth of the Lord came the Bible. Beware of prophets, or teachers, that teach their own words. Jeremiah 23:17 They say still unto them that despise Me, 'The LORD hath said., 'Ye shall have peace; " and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.' Remember, God earlier told Jeremiah that Israel would fall into captivity. That captivity is a type for you today. Watch out for preachers that teach their own words by telling you that you will have peace. Jeremiah 23:18-19 For who hath stood in the councel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard His word? who hath marked His word, and heard it? (19) Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. The wicked are the lawless ones including the lawless one, the spurious messiah. Those that follow him, especially pastors, are in the same boat. Jeremiah 23:20-21 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until He have executed, and till He have performed the thoughts of His heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. (21) I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. They anxiously prophesy, "Peace. Peace. Peace." Friends, there will be no peace, until the Prince of Peace returns. Jeremiah 23:22 But if they had stood in My councel, and had caused My People to hear My words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Preachers and seed planters should cause God's children to hear and understand God's Words not their own words. It is no wonder people are spiritually starving to death. Jeremiah 23:23 Am I a God at hand? saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? I hope you don't think He is afar off. God is always with you. He is not always happy with what you are doing, but He is there. His Word is also always with you. Jeremiah 23:24-25 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. (25) I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in My name, saying, 'I have dreamed. I have dreamed.' God is everywhere, and He keeps very good Books. Jeremiah 23:26-27 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea,they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; (27) Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. God will not be happy with those that have forgotten His Name. He will not be happy with those that forget His Son's Name by worshipping antichrist. Jeremiah 23:28-29 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak My word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat?" saith the LORD, (29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? You had better have the Rock that doesn't break, when the Lord's Hammer strikes. Fake rocks won't hold up. Jeremiah 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. The people don't have God's Word because the preachers are teaching what their neighbors wrote in a quarterly. Jeremiah 23:31-32Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. (32) Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. Beware of "feel good" pastors. When you leave a church, ask yourself, "What did I learn from God's Word?" If the answer is nothing, you have wasted your time. Jeremiah 23:33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD. Absorb this verse. God does not place burdens on His children. If you want to see your blessings cut off, just blame God for your troubles. Let's skip to 24:1. Jeremiah 24:1 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. Here we have the type for the captivity that is yet to come. There are two baskets of figs. It is important that you study with a church that teaches both baskets of figs. Why? Jeremiah 24:2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. This is the foundation of the parable of the fig tree that Jesus instructed us to learn.
Jeremiah 24:3-5 Then said the LORD unto me, "What seest thou, Jeremiah?" And I said, "Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil." (4) Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, (5) : Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; 'Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into land of Chaldeans for their good. Those that are taken before the councils to testify with the words of the Holy Spirit will stand against antichrist. These are the good figs that will be acknowledged by Almighty God. Jeremiah 24:6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. This began in 1948. It is not yet completed to this extent. Jeremiah 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be My People, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart. The good figs have been given a heart, or mind, to know the Truth. They know their God, and He knows them. Jeremiah 24:8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: The residue are the Kenites and others represented by the evil basket of figs. You had better know the difference in these end times. God has given us the intelligence and the Holy Spirit to discern Truth from lies. How so you know the difference? If God said it in the Bible, it is Truth. If someone else says God said it and it does not align with His Word, it is a lie. As Christ instructed in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, "learn the parable of the fig tree." The ability to recognize the difference between the good basket and the evil basket of figs will allow you to recognize the difference between the false messiah and the True Messiah. - Pastor Arnold Murray
I agree with him in general, but what if the couple doesn't have a child. Is divorce ok, then. I think Scripture teaches that divorce is bad because the RELATIONSHIP itself is binding and sacred, not because it's good for "building a civilization". Should unloving parents still stick it out for the sake of the kids, yes. But that's beside the point.
Yes Frank, there is yet one Church that makes it extremely hard to divorce, that still upholds the sanctity of every human life, including the unborn and advocates Natural family planning within marriage. It is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. ( Nicene creed , AD 381)
Now understanding "no-fault divorce"; not due to adultery or harm but romantic interests. If only I don't like you is truly a suitable case for divorce, then I like you should be allowed to be be the only reason for marriage. But it's not, as said. It's that shift in criteria that lessened the significance of the covenant in persons view.
About the spirit, You see we are conceived in our mother with a consciousness of our existence We Christians call our soul. But we're also are born with a spirit that supposed to be a guide But our spirit is under God sentence of death So when we are born our spirit is dead. And when we do finally die our dead spirit returns to the earth taking our soul down with it. When our spirit is dead our soul can easily be corrupted. When someone becomes a Christian they are reborn with a new spirit. That is Christ holy spirit. They are born again. Christ flesh and blood is his holy spirit. When we have the holy spirit within us hell has no power over any of us .with out a living spirit to guide us Then our conciseness of existence our very soul can become corrupted. We can find our self Being guided by the will of demons who will get us doing all sorts of evil things. And we will have no consciousness of the consequence of what you have done. All we will have is a fear of punishment. We will not even know why we did it these evil things. Jesus body was the prototype of all further Christians. It why before God could test his human body with Satan in the desert. Jesus had John baptize Jesus So God own holy spirit would come upon him and be able to guide him like it does with us Christians. It was not God in Jesus Christ who was being tested it was Gods human body Jesus that was being tested.
Beyond murder & theft government has no right to legislate morality. Separation of church & state is utterly important. Bedroom issues are no ones business but the people behind the bedroom doors. Stay out of peoples pocket books, gun cabinets, bedrooms & health clinics. We need Libertarians in office.
So rape and assault are OK? Sexual harassment and bullying is OK? Unsafe work conditions and toxic pollution are OK? Untested medicines and child porn are OK? Hunting endangered species is OK? Not selling food or housing to minorities is OK?
Texas Hoosier no, none of those are ok & to clarify perhaps I should have added them. I believe in the EPA, & obviously all the items you mentioned are bad. I was referring to legalization that regulates “bedroom issues” between consenting adults only. Also, adults should be free to consume whatever healthy or not they want. But of course we must protect children, the environment (within reason, not the outrageous economy killing green new deal), & harassment is not ok, but verbally that may be an infringement on first amendment. Speaking & and actually making contact are two separate things. I am not anti government but I’m for appropriate government. We need safety nets for the not well off, but things like gay marriage & second amendment are settled law. Marry who you want & own the firearms you want, shall not be infringed.
Hahaha no (that would be so mean lol). But I did a doubletake when I heard that too But he is making a reference to the shirt she was wearing- it had the word "shine" on it in big bold letters.
Why have marriage at all? Seems like they are trying to push couples to be ok with their partner going out with other people and stay married. Well if that's the case why even get married in the first place? If you can't commit to your marriage then you shouldn't get married at all.
I actually agree with what he said. Well, most of it. All in all he has finally realised morality is based on reason- not what some book tells u. Divorce however, I am an advocate for. If two people r unhappy they should be able to split. You're taking away their freedom if u force them to stay with each other. Imagine a woman not being able to divorce her cheating, wife beating husband. U r really going to tell me that the most moral thing to do is make it as hard for her as possible to leave him???? And fuck it, let gays get married. It's not like they're going to magically become straight just because u said they can't. If anything it'll enhance the community. bring about more happiness in their lives and perhaps even encourage them to adopt and start a family of their own. If u don't like it, whatever man. I won't condemn u for thought crime like the bible does nor do I think churches or religious should be forced to accept it. I just don't think the church or religion can force their beliefs onto others and not allow same sex marriage just because they don't like it.
No, it is not. Everyone has a right to be happy. Don't tell me a mother must remain with a wife beating husband just to keep the child 'happy'. In a lot of cases divorce can actually enhance the child's well being. If they had an abusive father, it would be a lot better if that father was removed from their life. I don't think any father is better than no father. So on what basis should we allow divorce? If the father is abusive to his wife and kids? Or is it okay to have a divorce if u don't have any kids? Is it okay if u have a divorce but both parents still play their role in being in that child's life? U r denying freedom if u force someone to stay with someone they do not love. That's not to say people shouldn't try to work it out- but u cannot force someone to love someone.
@Nick Jones So tell a child that we are random mistakes of nature and no human has intrinsic worth. Survival of the fittest means I can do whatever I am strong enough to do to another human being. No right no wrong no rules no laws.
Case by case basis makes it seem like the correct answer was not there all along. Slavery, abortion, whatever subject you can think of the correct answer to every possible scenario is already decided by God. Saying case by case implies that there ate some moral situations out there that God has not made known his will on that topic. If this were true it would be in direct contradiction with many scriptures. Gospel given once for all, Paul said he failed not in giving/declaring unto ...the full , all scripture is profitable teaching, reproof, so that we made complete wholly equipped unto every good work. Frank I would be curious if you could name something God counts as sinful and that if that thing whatever it is came up for ballot that you would find it good idea to vote to keep that lawful because its not time or its good because of free will. I think we should want all things that are morally wrong in the eyes of God to be legislated. It will never happen but if we are asked our opinion on a topic and its not in-line with Gods then we are acting as God commanded us to be.
That's pretty much what the Bible is saying. "Genesis 3:5 - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." It was even stated once that "We know good and evil by our hearts." (Forgot the verse) Hence just validating the perspective of the Bible because if I was to rape a woman and then I call it good? Then that woman doesn't feel like it's good, then there is chaos and confusion in judgment. Therefore this scripture;" The heart is deceitful among all things." (Jeremiah 17:9) Back to the confusion of judgement, killing is bad, we know that by our hearts. Henceforth we need an Objective Perpetrator. I get these statements alot; "Why doesn't God speak to us then?" "Well, why is the Bible there in the first place, having the Old and New Testament?" "We have the right to believe in anything, but not everything we believe is true" -Ravi Zacharias There is a chemical in the brain called "dopamine" like depressants, if we really want something, dopamine can override our thinking process, hence giving the feeling "So long as I'm happy" Hence, "Not everything we believe is true" -Ravi Zacharias
@@theoskeptomai2535 I meant a data that is considered to be factual and sensible, away from opinion. Allow me to clarify; You asked "Is there a point in that trike?" I answered "Is that collective data?" I know the term "collect" means to just collect terms and ideas in a manner its Synonymous to skimming, regardless of taking in the idea I'm trying to represent. It's what my teacher told me, sorry. What I'm trying to say is... "there was a scripture in the Bible wherein an apostle said; 'we know good and bad and it's embedded in ourselves.'" It just validated the Bible's ideology of Adam and Eve eating the fruit of wisdom, therefore we have knowledge. Notice it didn't say "Good fruit" or "evil fruit." Therefore it makes sense as to why God is an objective perpetrator.
First off I love Frank but he missed the Mark here. The example of slavery and the law is a red herring. How many were made moral by prohibition? Fact is, prohibition caused all sorts of drinking, speak easies and drunkenness. Or is it immoral to for 60 in a 55 mph speed zone. More I importantly, law is a school teacher to show us our need for a savior....no one can meet the absolute righteous standard of God! Finally, law does not make one moral....the Word of God does. All scripture is God-breathed, it is ...profitable for doctrine, reproof and correction In righteousness. 2 Tim 3:16. You cannot legislate morality, it obtained only by God Word inspired by the Holy Spirit!
@@therick363 You don't even know what the word "prove" means, dude. So you don't even know what you're asking. You can't prove literally ANYTHING with your worldview. This is because proofs only exist in mathematics and logic, not science... yet you ASSUME mathematics and logic are true. You can't prove they are. The scientific method presupposes both Mathematics and logic, so if you tried proving either with science you'd just be arguing in a circle. So who are you to be asking me to prove God (which I could do, but you wouldn't be able to follow how complex it is), when don't even know the meaning of the basic words you're using to ask the question, such as the meaning of the word "prove" (and that you lack the ability to prove literally ANYTHING you claim with your worldview )
@@lightbeforethetunnel ha ha ha I do l so what prove means. It’s a math thing but Lao used in a very causal sense in general conversation. But because you want to be so not picky that’s fine. No one has demonstrated their god to exist-not in any real actual way as a fact of reality. Don’t dodge the point i made….wait, that’s all you have. You never support or back up or step up like you claim. Don’t dodge the point. Ha ha ha o lv I see, yet another cop-out from you!!! Like always with you. _which I could do but you wouldn’t be able to follow how complex it is_ I call bs on that. That’s a dodge. A cop out. And a very clear display of desperation by to filled with condescending and disrespectful. How about you be an adult and explain….. I also see that you once again ignored what was said, made assumptions and claims and more instead of doing the simple thing of asking and learning. That’s another typical move of yours and when called out you dodge and ignore that too. Ow how about you deal with the actual points and step up….
@@therick363 Can you demonstrate your position that *Truth can only be known if it's demonstrated?* You can't, so it's a self-refuting epistemology. That right there completely destroys your worldview. There are MANY ways to knowledge beyond merely demonstration. Ever heard of logical deduction or mathematics, for example? Neither involve demonstration and both lead to knowledge. Just the fact you're asking for the demonstration of an immaterial being shows you're a complete fool & anti-intellectual Scientism Fundamentalist.
@@therick363 It won't be any use to prove God exists to you when: 1. Your Scientism epistemology is self-refuting. 2. It's false in a specific way in which it will cause you to completely exclude all knowledge that can be obtained through ways OTHER than demonstration, such as logical deduction & mathematics within philosophical arguments Your Scientism worldview is set up so that you would reject literally every philosophical argument unless they premises can be DEMONSTRATED to be true, when in reality they just need to be true. And given there are other ways to knowledge other than merely just demonstration (but you are excluding all these ways with your epistemology) it is pointless to even try. I already know you'll falsely reject it all.
let's take a step back, which religion's morals do we implement? Buddhism? Hinduism? Mormonism? maybe, we should look at some of the dead religions like the norse or greeks. why do you think your religion's morals are better than some other religion's morals?
Use your head and not your heart and I think you will come to the same conclusion as Frank and I that God, the God depicted in the Bible, knows what He's talking about
Making it more difficult to get a divorce is asinine seeing as how high domestic violence statistics are. People should be allowed to divorce as simply as possible.
Incest would make a stronger case for reproduction than counter argument to same sex marriage that's just a ridiculous comparison. It takes a man and woman to create that much is true but individuals feel love. It's not hard to figure that out. Unless you're capable of experiencing love as it exists in someone else's heart you are in no position to dictate who they share it with it, or explain their capabilities as a parent. That pain that makes a sacrifice a shield and that cloud of dreams life exists in until the next one are greatest strength and the most painful burden a person is responsible for alone. This will never change. You are wrong.
"My kingdom is not of this world", Jesus did not come to convert the world to "christianity", neither to set up a "christian" kingdom on earth. It is IMPOSSIBLE for religion to legislate civil law without becoming PERSECUTING.. that was the whole basis of the CONSTITUTION and why our founding fathers left europe in the middle of winter to cross the atlantic and leave all behind. How strange a coincidence, or rather what more evidence need we that interpretation of the prophecies contained in revelation do we need that the "Mark of the beast" comes from the "CHRISTIAN" world, when the LAMB-LIKE (Christian) beast (kingdom, dan 7:23) SPEAKS (nations speak through legislation) like a dragon (a symbol of persecution) makes an image (or LIKENESS) to the 1st beast, identified through over 14 detailed prophecies to be the roman papacy, a persecuting church-state power!
“The study of theology, as it stands in christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing.” ~ Thomas Paine, in The Age Of Reason
1:17 Absolutely incorrect. The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. It had to do with the economics of the north devastating the wealth of the south by sending cotton over seas to Britain at a much cheaper rate. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't made until 1863. The Civil War began in 1860. Lincoln went to war to keep the Union together. It was all about money, not morality. Lincoln was probably the worst president, as horrible as that may sound, because he allowed over 100,000 men to die, rather than give the south its freedom. Had Lincoln not been assassinated, it is rumored he intended to send all blacks back to Africa.
Unfortunately, the good Doctor is wrong here. You have zero authority to try to make unbelievers moral (you cannot, see what Jesus told the Pharisees). You can, however, make them repay their debts to others (ensure justice is done). Ergo, you can stop them from stealing, assaulting, raping, and murdering, and can make them "repay" the victim (or victim's NOK) if they do so. Sins against self needs no justice, the victim is the perpetrator. Sins against God are already paid for on the Cross. Sins against others, those should be repaid, unless the victim forgives the perpetrator. No, you don't have authority to use force-of-arms (what you call "government") to use the proper definition of the word "marriage". Christians ought to only be interested in ensuring other Christians act morally. Even then, we are NEVER called to use government or other force of arms against them, only to put them out of the Church. Yes, Christians ruined marriage, but not in the way he thinks: 1. We refused to live up to Jesus' standard of marriage in our own lives. 2. We decided to use the government to define the term rather than keeping it holy ourselves (Lewis talks about Christian marriage vs non-Christian marriage in "Mere Christianity"). What has happened recently with the definition of the term is the only logical conclusion of ceding the definition of the word to government. Lastly, the one single best thing that Christians could benefit the society in which we live (it's not "our society", BTW), would be to actually obey what Christ told us to do, and not try to do what he didn't tell us to do (and what he specifically told us not to do, 1 Corinthians 5:12-13)!
@@zackattackanimations1935 The suggestion is that children in families with separated parents are vulnerable to committing school shootings. Has he got data on this? How did he establish it was the parents' relationship that lead to the shootings and not other factors. It's foolish makes a throw away, unsubstantiated comment like that. Extremely unhelpful and inaccurate.
Michael Bucksmith no! He’s not saying that if someone grows up in a broken family they are likely to become a school shooter. He is saying that if you look at all the school shooters, most of them had broken families
@@zackattackanimations1935 He does. With no evidence that there is a link between the two things. That's irresponsible. All shooters also had breakfast that morning (say). Should we now say that breakfast is bad for society?
Frank mentioned that laws point people towards morality and spoke of how almost no one now thinks slavery is acceptable. One immediately thinks though of the many laws in place that are destructive, a huge one being abortion as some kind of "right for women." Blurring the lines of sexuality and the sexes, cheapening life . . . These are some of the signs of societal decline.
Frank, you hit the nail on the head. We may not like it. But we do need to accept it.
nickj14711 Attacking someone's character rather than the subject matter tells all of us (including you) that you have no sufficient rebuttal to his statement. Trying to change the subject attacking his character is an attempt to discredit and defame him. Ergo you have nothing. Thanks for playing, try harder troll. Peace. End.
Nick Jones spare me on trying to teach me about his character. I know exactly the video you're talking about and you're asserting something that is not in the video. Because even he said that such a thing would not be from God in this day in age. Going back to the time before Jesus arrived bodily on Earth in the time of Abraham with his son you can see how that turned out. So trust in GOD is far more important than what you desire. Your feelings do not trump God. And you're owed nothing. You may object but you're not God. God is God. Not you. You prove the Bible correct every time you rebel against God.. You failed in your attempt to con me. Rule #1 know more about the truth than the person you're trying to mislead. SMH.....
Your perspective is determined by your emotions and volitional reasons, rather than rational reasons. Emotional and volitional masquerading as rational to you. That is true for many many individuals. That's what your resistance is predicated on. Going back to the subject matter. It's still all true and unfortunately can't be refuted because we can test it to see if it is true. History and events are set, which when examined and followed through history will lead us exactly where we are today in mind and thought as a society. So tired of your red herrings, trolling and switching personalities from one identity to another. Honestly this is a fruitless conversation. It was in other times its no different this time. You want to waste your time on these chat sections that's your business.
he hits nothing on the nail
@Nick Jones More moral than Yahweh??? That is a gigantic sign of your own hubris right there.
@Nick Jones Let's put that into a little more perspective, shall we???
You are not Yahweh, so to claim something like that is to try and put yourself in the Mercy Seat. I think that was one of the very things Satan did that got him, along with a third of the angels, kicked out of Heaven.
You and I are but mere humans.
How can you, a creation made imperfect by sin, whose judgment can be clouded by his own emotions and feelings, who has finite knowledge, wisdom and understanding of everything in this universe, whose life can finish in the blink of an eye, whose opinion on objective morals can change at any point in time, claim superiority over the One who is absolutely perfect, whose judgment is hardly clouded by His emotions and feelings, who has infinite knowledge, wisdom, power and understanding of everything in the universe(since He created it), who cannot die and has always existed, and whose plans and morals have always stayed true and absolute, anymore than a child going through puberty claim to know more about this fallen world and right and wrong than his/her parents?
I'd like you to answer me with one single sentence.
I wonder what she THOUGHT he said at the beginning haha
Dallas Kinard Lol right!?
Think she heard "You are beautiful"
I think she heard your a hiney
Shes just nervous because speaking in front of people is something many find unnerving.. duh use your brain
I thought he meant she was shiny as in radiant because of her smile and polite manner lol
We need more radical christians who are passionate about establishing God’s will and kingdom on earth. We Christians these days are too “go with the flow” you know what I mean? It’s either that or we want Jesus to come and rescue us away with the rapture. We’re either too afraid or too comfortable, we need to start taking more ground for God.
While I agree, it is extremely hard for any fair and faithful Christian to compete in politics. Firstly, it's because most of the politicians and voters themselves are atheists, secondly, because political and banking system are two out of 4 faces of the Devil (Gospel of John), thus one simply cannot succeed without high amounts of money and political investment, most of which will be earned by sinful actions. If for example, church backed up political candidates or had their own, it could maybe work. On the other hand, righteous churches are nowadays a rarity too, so it would not be as easy as one might think.
NewLight 777 I've discovered that progressive Christians are part of the problem too. In biblical terms they have one foot in the church and one foot in with the world. Jesus expressly said he hates that. That which is compromising with the world when it goes against with what he says just to be politically correct. When it is actually biblically incorrect. They rationalize it by saying "you have to understand that the Bible was written in a time that is not how modern people live anymore. And so their biases show through the pages." What nonsense!
I always knew the church had a indirect hand in making the legislation of gay marriage come to pass. And hearing Frank say the major reason for marriage isn't adult romance but to have offspring is very helpful for me.
Bc it actually works.
Gays can't have offspring naturally (unless u want to get into the moral dilemma of surrogacy)
Incest was accepted in the past (as many people will point out Abraham and Sarah were related and so forth) but for really good genes science has shown it's better for the parents to come from diverse backgrounds. Not the same Gene pool. And as the Bible says in Exodus it's an abomination for a man to sleep in his father's bed with his mother. (Technically we all come from the same Gene pool bc we have the same first parents. Adam and Eve. But u know what I mean right?)
Anyway I think Frank gave a really strong response to Rebecca's question. A response that.. if I was honest.. I know I wouldn't be able to give myself. I would be no where near as adequately as him with explaining things.
And I can't help but wonder... if my lack of eloquence in explaining biblical perspectives is due to the fact I'm not studying as hard as I should, or if that's a facet of understanding and prudence that comes with experience??
Anyone care to give their opinion?
+ nickj14711
"Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men." (Matthew 5:13, KJV)
But I would agree that someone who's new to Christianity should first read the Bible with an open mind, just to get knowledge first and to not jump to assumptions immediately (don't judge a verse if you haven't read the others). But once someone has done that, I think that what NewLight777 said is necessary.
+ Tori Ellise
"1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And THERE ARE DIVERSITIES OF OPERATIONS, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 FOR TO ONE is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; TO ANOTHER the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 TO ANOTHER faith by the same Spirit; TO ANOTHER the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 TO ANOTHER the working of miracles; TO ANOTHER prophecy; TO ANOTHER discerning of spirits; TO ANOTHER divers kinds of tongues; TO ANOTHER the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, DIVIDING TO EVERY MAN SEVERALLY AS HE WILL. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 FOR THE BODY IS NOT ONE MEMBER, BUT MANY. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 BUT NOW HATH GOD SET THE MEMBERS EVERY ONE OF THEM IN THE BODY, AS IT HATH PLEASED HIM. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they MANY MEMBERS, YET BUT ONE BODY. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 ARE ALL APOSTLES? ARE ALL PROPHETS? ARE ALL TEACHERS? ARE ALL WORKERS OF MIRACLES? 30HAVE ALL THE GIFTS OF HEALING? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? DO ALL INTERPRET? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way." (1 Cor. 12:4-31, KJV)
I highlighted a view parts of this chapter with CAPS but I think it speaks for itself.
We as Christians need to choose to maintain our fidelity. If we choose not to do such things, legal or not, then we will hold the line. It is about maintaining what we know, even when it is tough.
It is hard to keep that line. Sin is everywhere & we are not immune.
nickj14711 Sin and hate is indeed everywhere.
nickj14711 If Christianity is true, would you become a Christian?
nickj14711
'Sin is a crime against god!', O'Really? You can sin against yourself, God, your friend, your dad, etc.. Your tirade against it is in vain. You have a very ill-informed view of what that word means. When I sin against my father, what did I do? What is sin (the definition, not your personal belief about it)? Did you research that or just make it up? I do not want to come down to hard on you, but your ignorance is on display. If you do not understand a word, don't use it.
Second, what do you mean, 'proof'? I have a largesse of evidence & arguments that lead to a clear view of God existing. You would need extra evidence to dismiss them rationally. Not that this is the issue.
Do you have 'proof' God does not exist? You brought it up, it is therefore your contention. You are the person putting forth the truth claim (just in different phrasing). You can prove a negative also. There are no pink elephants in my hand. I can prove that. I can easily evidence my lack of sensation, use magnification, & set up the appropriate philosophical argument against it. That thing (pink elephants specifically in my hand) can be concluded as nonexistent. So, prove God does not exist. Feel free to restrict yourself to the Christian God specifically. Should be a cakewalk, right?
You would not just come here insulting people & then have nothing to back that up, OR would you?
nickj14711
Sin (n):
1.A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.
2. [Theology]. A condition of estrangement from God as a result of breaking His law.
3. Any offense, violation, fault, or error --See Synonyms at offense.--
Sin (intr. v.):
1. To commit a sinful act; violate a religious or moral law.
2. To commit an offense or violation; do wrong.
You claiming sin as ONLY a violation against God is incorrect. The other definitions fit also. You told a falsehood, lying requires intent & I am not willing to prove that you intended to spread falsehood. Can you evidence my intent was to spread falsehoods? If you cannot, then I was not lying either. I was not lying, I know the intent.
You most likely were, I believe you fully able to research a definition & tell others. I could be wrong, you might just be extremely stupid. I prefer to believe your intelligent. It seems the right thing to do, unless you provide evidence to the contrary.
Second, your argument requires that God does not exist. You claimed sin did not exist in your argument. Your justification was, there is no God to sin against, so sin is not. Your understood premise in that argument is, 'God does not exist.'. If God exists, your argument is false.
Evidence your claim. How do you come here, insulting these fine people, & then demand they do as you ask? You have sinned against them. Even if you do not believe in God, by definition, you are still a sinner.
Provide 'credible evidence' God is not real or your statement of, 'QUOD ETAT DEMONSTRANDOM !', was premature in the extreme. If you cannot prove your premises (stated or understood), then your argument is a falsehood & most likely a lie.
This will also prove your intelligence. Your reputation is on the line. Think before you answer kid. I have forgotten more than you probably know.
God Bless
nickj14711
I see, you were lying. Glad to see your argument was empty.
Shalom
this is awesome!!
Awesome video
she's a smart cookie. i wanted to hear more from HER.
The guy behind her. His reaction. LOL
You can't serve two masters. People need to recognize God over Government.
Nick Jones Is Government your God? Do you obey people who FORCE you to give them your earnings?
Nick Jones What God? So you VOLUNTARILY contribute to a group of men and women in a ruling class known as government?
Nick Jones I don't make a claim to a named deity. I am speaking of Natural and Moral Law. Do you believe morals are subjective?
Nick Jones You are missing the point. I was making a claim that people who worship God also typically serve the government. This is a contradiction. If you want to focus on dishonesty, consider your statement about making a "contribution" to your government. Are you not FORCED to give up a portion of your earned income? Do you not realize Statism is also a religion?
Nick Jones Whatever one they choose. Atheists are quite funny, don't you think?
Family is one man one woman & kids. Problem how many are in this type of family?
He said.
“ make it harder to get divorced. “
I say.. make it harder to get married..
that will ensure the marriages last..
The fig tree turns 70 yesterday...
BASKET OF FIGS-
The basket of figs have a great deal to do with you in this generation. Throughout the Scriptures Father likens the fig to many things, however; when addressing the end times He utilizes the fig to allow us to understand the prophecies of the Bible. Let's turn to the Word.
Amos 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.
Summer fruit is mature and ripe. It is ready to harvest.
Amos 8:2 And He said "Amos, what seest thou?" And I said, "A basket of summer fruit." Then said the LORD unto me, "The end is come upon My People of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
Some of the summer figs at the end time will be ripe for chastisement. Why? Let's skip to verse eleven.
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
I am certain Father becomes irritated by His children that don't pay attention to Him. He has written a letter to His children. Those that study His letter are equipped with the knowledge to deal with the events of the end time. The cause of chastisement is a lack of hearing the words of the Lord. Who is at fault? Let's turn to Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 23:1-2 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture! saith the LORD. (2) Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed My People; Ye have scattered My flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doing, saith the Lord.
God's people are hungry. They are looking for a solid foundation in their lives. Chastisement will not be light for those pastors that drive the sheep away.
Jeremiah 23:3-4 And I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds: and they shall be fruitful and increase. (4) And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Under Christ's direction, the people will be fed.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth.
Through the seedline of David, Jesus Christ is promised. He will not return at the second advent as a babe. Jesus will execute judgement and justice. Justice for some means rewards.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His name whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
You don't have to want to be fed the good pasture. Get into God's Word. Let's go to verse sixteen. In the next few verses, God tells you how to find a good pastor and what He expects of you seed planters.
Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, ' Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you : they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Out of the Mouth of the Lord came the Bible. Beware of prophets, or teachers, that teach their own words.
Jeremiah 23:17 They say still unto them that despise Me, 'The LORD hath said., 'Ye shall have peace; " and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.'
Remember, God earlier told Jeremiah that Israel would fall into captivity. That captivity is a type for you today. Watch out for preachers that teach their own words by telling you that you will have peace.
Jeremiah 23:18-19 For who hath stood in the councel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard His word? who hath marked His word, and heard it? (19) Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
The wicked are the lawless ones including the lawless one, the spurious messiah. Those that follow him, especially pastors, are in the same boat.
Jeremiah 23:20-21 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until He have executed, and till He have performed the thoughts of His heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. (21) I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
They anxiously prophesy, "Peace. Peace. Peace." Friends, there will be no peace, until the Prince of Peace returns.
Jeremiah 23:22 But if they had stood in My councel, and had caused My People to hear My words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Preachers and seed planters should cause God's children to hear and understand God's Words not their own words. It is no wonder people are spiritually starving to death.
Jeremiah 23:23 Am I a God at hand? saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
I hope you don't think He is afar off. God is always with you. He is not always happy with what you are doing, but He is there. His Word is also always with you.
Jeremiah 23:24-25 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. (25) I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in My name, saying, 'I have dreamed. I have dreamed.'
God is everywhere, and He keeps very good Books.
Jeremiah 23:26-27 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea,they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; (27) Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
God will not be happy with those that have forgotten His Name. He will not be happy with those that forget His Son's Name by worshipping antichrist.
Jeremiah 23:28-29 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak My word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat?" saith the LORD, (29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
You had better have the Rock that doesn't break, when the Lord's Hammer strikes. Fake rocks won't hold up.
Jeremiah 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
The people don't have God's Word because the preachers are teaching what their neighbors wrote in a quarterly.
Jeremiah 23:31-32Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. (32) Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
Beware of "feel good" pastors. When you leave a church, ask yourself, "What did I learn from God's Word?" If the answer is nothing, you have wasted your time.
Jeremiah 23:33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.
Absorb this verse. God does not place burdens on His children. If you want to see your blessings cut off, just blame God for your troubles. Let's skip to 24:1.
Jeremiah 24:1 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.
Here we have the type for the captivity that is yet to come. There are two baskets of figs. It is important that you study with a church that teaches both baskets of figs. Why?
Jeremiah 24:2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.
This is the foundation of the parable of the fig tree that Jesus instructed us to learn.
Jeremiah 24:3-5 Then said the LORD unto me, "What seest thou, Jeremiah?" And I said, "Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil." (4) Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, (5) : Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; 'Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into land of Chaldeans for their good.
Those that are taken before the councils to testify with the words of the Holy Spirit will stand against antichrist. These are the good figs that will be acknowledged by Almighty God.
Jeremiah 24:6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
This began in 1948. It is not yet completed to this extent.
Jeremiah 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be My People, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart.
The good figs have been given a heart, or mind, to know the Truth. They know their God, and He knows them.
Jeremiah 24:8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:
The residue are the Kenites and others represented by the evil basket of figs. You had better know the difference in these end times. God has given us the intelligence and the Holy Spirit to discern Truth from lies. How so you know the difference? If God said it in the Bible, it is Truth. If someone else says God said it and it does not align with His Word, it is a lie.
As Christ instructed in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, "learn the parable of the fig tree." The ability to recognize the difference between the good basket and the evil basket of figs will allow you to recognize the difference between the false messiah and the True Messiah.
- Pastor Arnold Murray
I agree with him in general, but what if the couple doesn't have a child. Is divorce ok, then. I think Scripture teaches that divorce is bad because the RELATIONSHIP itself is binding and sacred, not because it's good for "building a civilization". Should unloving parents still stick it out for the sake of the kids, yes. But that's beside the point.
Yes Frank, there is yet one Church that makes it extremely hard to divorce, that still upholds the sanctity of every human life, including the unborn and advocates Natural family planning within marriage. It is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. ( Nicene creed , AD 381)
Now understanding "no-fault divorce"; not due to adultery or harm but romantic interests.
If only I don't like you is truly a suitable case for divorce, then I like you should be allowed to be be the only reason for marriage.
But it's not, as said. It's that shift in criteria that lessened the significance of the covenant in persons view.
About the spirit, You see we are conceived in our mother with a consciousness of our existence We Christians call our soul. But we're also are born with a spirit that supposed to be a guide But our spirit is under God sentence of death So when we are born our spirit is dead. And when we do finally die our dead spirit returns to the earth taking our soul down with it. When our spirit is dead our soul can easily be corrupted. When someone becomes a Christian they are reborn with a new spirit. That is Christ holy spirit. They are born again. Christ flesh and blood is his holy spirit. When we have the holy spirit within us hell has no power over any of us .with out a living spirit to guide us Then our conciseness of existence our very soul can become corrupted. We can find our self Being guided by the will of demons who will get us doing all sorts of evil things. And we will have no consciousness of the consequence of what you have done. All we will have is a fear of punishment. We will not even know why we did it these evil things. Jesus body was the prototype of all further Christians. It why before God could test his human body with Satan in the desert. Jesus had John baptize Jesus So God own holy spirit would come upon him and be able to guide him like it does with us Christians. It was not God in Jesus Christ who was being tested it was Gods human body Jesus that was being tested.
Beyond murder & theft government has no right to legislate morality. Separation of church & state is utterly important. Bedroom issues are no ones business but the people behind the bedroom doors. Stay out of peoples pocket books, gun cabinets, bedrooms & health clinics. We need Libertarians in office.
So rape and assault are OK? Sexual harassment and bullying is OK? Unsafe work conditions and toxic pollution are OK? Untested medicines and child porn are OK? Hunting endangered species is OK? Not selling food or housing to minorities is OK?
Texas Hoosier no, none of those are ok & to clarify perhaps I should have added them. I believe in the EPA, & obviously all the items you mentioned are bad. I was referring to legalization that regulates “bedroom issues” between consenting adults only. Also, adults should be free to consume whatever healthy or not they want. But of course we must protect children, the environment (within reason, not the outrageous economy killing green new deal), & harassment is not ok, but verbally that may be an infringement on first amendment. Speaking & and actually making contact are two separate things. I am not anti government but I’m for appropriate government. We need safety nets for the not well off, but things like gay marriage & second amendment are settled law. Marry who you want & own the firearms you want, shall not be infringed.
0:11 you're shiney.
Her thinking he meant her face is oily "Im SoRry?"
Hahaha no (that would be so mean lol). But I did a doubletake when I heard that too
But he is making a reference to the shirt she was wearing- it had the word "shine" on it in big bold letters.
"150 years ago we went to war over slavery right?"
No
Yes, the civil war was about slavery
Why have marriage at all? Seems like they are trying to push couples to be ok with their partner going out with other people and stay married. Well if that's the case why even get married in the first place? If you can't commit to your marriage then you shouldn't get married at all.
jeffjacobs1990 WOW GREAT POINT. Even marriage is not for everyone; the Bible also mentions that some are not meant to be in marriage.
Frank Turek also makes a great point. His referring to the sexual revolution of the 1960s that lead to no fault divorce laws.
I actually agree with what he said. Well, most of it. All in all he has finally realised morality is based on reason- not what some book tells u. Divorce however, I am an advocate for. If two people r unhappy they should be able to split. You're taking away their freedom if u force them to stay with each other. Imagine a woman not being able to divorce her cheating, wife beating husband. U r really going to tell me that the most moral thing to do is make it as hard for her as possible to leave him????
And fuck it, let gays get married. It's not like they're going to magically become straight just because u said they can't. If anything it'll enhance the community. bring about more happiness in their lives and perhaps even encourage them to adopt and start a family of their own. If u don't like it, whatever man. I won't condemn u for thought crime like the bible does nor do I think churches or religious should be forced to accept it. I just don't think the church or religion can force their beliefs onto others and not allow same sex marriage just because they don't like it.
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A childs right to a lifelong mother and father are more important than adults selfish desires
No, it is not. Everyone has a right to be happy. Don't tell me a mother must remain with a wife beating husband just to keep the child 'happy'. In a lot of cases divorce can actually enhance the child's well being. If they had an abusive father, it would be a lot better if that father was removed from their life. I don't think any father is better than no father.
So on what basis should we allow divorce? If the father is abusive to his wife and kids? Or is it okay to have a divorce if u don't have any kids? Is it okay if u have a divorce but both parents still play their role in being in that child's life?
U r denying freedom if u force someone to stay with someone they do not love. That's not to say people shouldn't try to work it out- but u cannot force someone to love someone.
@Nick Jones So tell a child that we are random mistakes of nature and no human has intrinsic worth. Survival of the fittest means I can do whatever I am strong enough to do to another human being. No right no wrong no rules no laws.
Case by case basis makes it seem like the correct answer was not there all along. Slavery, abortion, whatever subject you can think of the correct answer to every possible scenario is already decided by God.
Saying case by case implies that there ate some moral situations out there that God has not made known his will on that topic.
If this were true it would be in direct contradiction with many scriptures. Gospel given once for all, Paul said he failed not in giving/declaring unto ...the full , all scripture is profitable teaching, reproof, so that we made complete wholly equipped unto every good work.
Frank I would be curious if you could name something God counts as sinful and that if that thing whatever it is came up for ballot that you would find it good idea to vote to keep that lawful because its not time or its good because of free will.
I think we should want all things that are morally wrong in the eyes of God to be legislated. It will never happen but if we are asked our opinion on a topic and its not in-line with Gods then we are acting as God commanded us to be.
Leviticus 19:27 comes to mind.
Each and every individual is the sole arbiter of his/her own morality.
That's pretty much what the Bible is saying.
"Genesis 3:5 - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
It was even stated once that "We know good and evil by our hearts." (Forgot the verse)
Hence just validating the perspective of the Bible because if I was to rape a woman and then I call it good? Then that woman doesn't feel like it's good, then there is chaos and confusion in judgment.
Therefore this scripture;" The heart is deceitful among all things." (Jeremiah 17:9)
Back to the confusion of judgement, killing is bad, we know that by our hearts. Henceforth we need an Objective Perpetrator. I get these statements alot;
"Why doesn't God speak to us then?"
"Well, why is the Bible there in the first place, having the Old and New Testament?"
"We have the right to believe in anything, but not everything we believe is true"
-Ravi Zacharias
There is a chemical in the brain called "dopamine" like depressants, if we really want something, dopamine can override our thinking process, hence giving the feeling "So long as I'm happy"
Hence, "Not everything we believe is true"
-Ravi Zacharias
@@leibniz4455 Was there a point in any of that tripe?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Is that collective data analysis?
@@leibniz4455 Is WHAT collective data analysis?
@@theoskeptomai2535 I meant a data that is considered to be factual and sensible, away from opinion.
Allow me to clarify;
You asked "Is there a point in that trike?"
I answered "Is that collective data?"
I know the term "collect" means to just collect terms and ideas in a manner its Synonymous to skimming, regardless of taking in the idea I'm trying to represent.
It's what my teacher told me, sorry.
What I'm trying to say is... "there was a scripture in the Bible wherein an apostle said; 'we know good and bad and it's embedded in ourselves.'"
It just validated the Bible's ideology of Adam and Eve eating the fruit of wisdom, therefore we have knowledge. Notice it didn't say "Good fruit" or "evil fruit."
Therefore it makes sense as to why God is an objective perpetrator.
Is it just me or did this give the sign of the devil at 2:25
I don't think it was intentional though.
It is just you.
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First off I love Frank but he missed the Mark here. The example of slavery and the law is a red herring. How many were made moral by prohibition? Fact is, prohibition caused all sorts of drinking, speak easies and drunkenness. Or is it immoral to for 60 in a 55 mph speed zone. More I importantly, law is a school teacher to show us our need for a savior....no one can meet the absolute righteous standard of God! Finally, law does not make one moral....the Word of God does. All scripture is God-breathed, it is ...profitable for doctrine, reproof and correction In righteousness. 2 Tim 3:16. You cannot legislate morality, it obtained only by God Word inspired by the Holy Spirit!
Who else thinks Frank probably had an idea of an answer to a question before it was even asked?
He has said before that most questions asked are the same
God's law over man's law. Always.
Prove god exists first. Then we can talk about that. Until then? Yes man’s laws over gods laws
@@therick363 You don't even know what the word "prove" means, dude. So you don't even know what you're asking. You can't prove literally ANYTHING with your worldview.
This is because proofs only exist in mathematics and logic, not science... yet you ASSUME mathematics and logic are true. You can't prove they are.
The scientific method presupposes both Mathematics and logic, so if you tried proving either with science you'd just be arguing in a circle.
So who are you to be asking me to prove God (which I could do, but you wouldn't be able to follow how complex it is), when don't even know the meaning of the basic words you're using to ask the question, such as the meaning of the word "prove" (and that you lack the ability to prove literally ANYTHING you claim with your worldview )
@@lightbeforethetunnel ha ha ha I do l so what prove means. It’s a math thing but Lao used in a very causal sense in general conversation. But because you want to be so not picky that’s fine.
No one has demonstrated their god to exist-not in any real actual way as a fact of reality. Don’t dodge the point i made….wait, that’s all you have. You never support or back up or step up like you claim.
Don’t dodge the point.
Ha ha ha o lv I see, yet another cop-out from you!!! Like always with you. _which I could do but you wouldn’t be able to follow how complex it is_
I call bs on that. That’s a dodge. A cop out. And a very clear display of desperation by to filled with condescending and disrespectful. How about you be an adult and explain…..
I also see that you once again ignored what was said, made assumptions and claims and more instead of doing the simple thing of asking and learning. That’s another typical move of yours and when called out you dodge and ignore that too.
Ow how about you deal with the actual points and step up….
@@therick363 Can you demonstrate your position that *Truth can only be known if it's demonstrated?*
You can't, so it's a self-refuting epistemology.
That right there completely destroys your worldview.
There are MANY ways to knowledge beyond merely demonstration. Ever heard of logical deduction or mathematics, for example? Neither involve demonstration and both lead to knowledge.
Just the fact you're asking for the demonstration of an immaterial being shows you're a complete fool & anti-intellectual Scientism Fundamentalist.
@@therick363 It won't be any use to prove God exists to you when:
1. Your Scientism epistemology is self-refuting.
2. It's false in a specific way in which it will cause you to completely exclude all knowledge that can be obtained through ways OTHER than demonstration, such as logical deduction & mathematics within philosophical arguments
Your Scientism worldview is set up so that you would reject literally every philosophical argument unless they premises can be DEMONSTRATED to be true, when in reality they just need to be true.
And given there are other ways to knowledge other than merely just demonstration (but you are excluding all these ways with your epistemology) it is pointless to even try. I already know you'll falsely reject it all.
let's take a step back, which religion's morals do we implement? Buddhism? Hinduism? Mormonism? maybe, we should look at some of the dead religions like the norse or greeks. why do you think your religion's morals are better than some other religion's morals?
Use your head and not your heart and I think you will come to the same conclusion as Frank and I that God, the God depicted in the Bible, knows what He's talking about
what method did you use to come to that conclusion? faith or evidence?
tree morality, maybe we should legislate that, or something similar, consider....
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No genius only christianity not dead religions will get you saved thru jesus Christ our Lord and savior
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Making it more difficult to get a divorce is asinine seeing as how high domestic violence statistics are. People should be allowed to divorce as simply as possible.
Incest would make a stronger case for reproduction than counter argument to same sex marriage that's just a ridiculous comparison. It takes a man and woman to create that much is true but individuals feel love. It's not hard to figure that out. Unless you're capable of experiencing love as it exists in someone else's heart you are in no position to dictate who they share it with it, or explain their capabilities as a parent. That pain that makes a sacrifice a shield and that cloud of dreams life exists in until the next one are greatest strength and the most painful burden a person is responsible for alone. This will never change. You are wrong.
How far can you legislate stoning gays like moses?
Ask the iranians that question
"My kingdom is not of this world", Jesus did not come to convert the world to "christianity", neither to set up a "christian" kingdom on earth. It is IMPOSSIBLE for religion to legislate civil law without becoming PERSECUTING.. that was the whole basis of the CONSTITUTION and why our founding fathers left europe in the middle of winter to cross the atlantic and leave all behind. How strange a coincidence, or rather what more evidence need we that interpretation of the prophecies contained in revelation do we need that the "Mark of the beast" comes from the "CHRISTIAN" world, when the LAMB-LIKE (Christian) beast (kingdom, dan 7:23) SPEAKS (nations speak through legislation) like a dragon (a symbol of persecution) makes an image (or LIKENESS) to the 1st beast, identified through over 14 detailed prophecies to be the roman papacy, a persecuting church-state power!
“The study of theology,
as it stands in christian churches,
is the study of nothing;
it is founded on nothing;
it rests on nothing;
it proceeds by no authorities;
it has no data;
it can demonstrate nothing.”
~ Thomas Paine, in The Age Of Reason
It’s not about love; it’s about sex and money.
1:17 Absolutely incorrect. The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. It had to do with the economics of the north devastating the wealth of the south by sending cotton over seas to Britain at a much cheaper rate.
The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't made until 1863. The Civil War began in 1860. Lincoln went to war to keep the Union together. It was all about money, not morality. Lincoln was probably the worst president, as horrible as that may sound, because he allowed over 100,000 men to die, rather than give the south its freedom. Had Lincoln not been assassinated, it is rumored he intended to send all blacks back to Africa.
Unfortunately, the good Doctor is wrong here. You have zero authority to try to make unbelievers moral (you cannot, see what Jesus told the Pharisees). You can, however, make them repay their debts to others (ensure justice is done). Ergo, you can stop them from stealing, assaulting, raping, and murdering, and can make them "repay" the victim (or victim's NOK) if they do so.
Sins against self needs no justice, the victim is the perpetrator. Sins against God are already paid for on the Cross. Sins against others, those should be repaid, unless the victim forgives the perpetrator.
No, you don't have authority to use force-of-arms (what you call "government") to use the proper definition of the word "marriage". Christians ought to only be interested in ensuring other Christians act morally. Even then, we are NEVER called to use government or other force of arms against them, only to put them out of the Church.
Yes, Christians ruined marriage, but not in the way he thinks:
1. We refused to live up to Jesus' standard of marriage in our own lives.
2. We decided to use the government to define the term rather than keeping it holy ourselves (Lewis talks about Christian marriage vs non-Christian marriage in "Mere Christianity"). What has happened recently with the definition of the term is the only logical conclusion of ceding the definition of the word to government.
Lastly, the one single best thing that Christians could benefit the society in which we live (it's not "our society", BTW), would be to actually obey what Christ told us to do, and not try to do what he didn't tell us to do (and what he specifically told us not to do, 1 Corinthians 5:12-13)!
That school shooter comment and divorced parents is so out of line. What kind of ignorant person says things like that?
Michael Bucksmith how is it out of line?
@@zackattackanimations1935 The suggestion is that children in families with separated parents are vulnerable to committing school shootings. Has he got data on this? How did he establish it was the parents' relationship that lead to the shootings and not other factors. It's foolish makes a throw away, unsubstantiated comment like that. Extremely unhelpful and inaccurate.
Michael Bucksmith no! He’s not saying that if someone grows up in a broken family they are likely to become a school shooter. He is saying that if you look at all the school shooters, most of them had broken families
@@zackattackanimations1935 He does. With no evidence that there is a link between the two things. That's irresponsible. All shooters also had breakfast that morning (say). Should we now say that breakfast is bad for society?
Michael Bucksmith do you believe there is a link?
What a way to not answer.