You guys skipped the most important test. The “original tool box test”, this is where you put all the tools in the box and then rattle the box around as if it were in a truck toolbox riding down one of the bumpiest dirt roads in Southern Alabama and then you lay the toolbox in the “ready to open, ready to work” position and open the box. If more than 3 sockets or tools have come out of its plastic holding then you immediately take/send the toolbox set back to where the hell it came from cuz even if the tools are great, if you gotta clean up sockets for 10 minutes and replace everything every time you open the stupid box then it’s worthless.
I have never bought this sort of tool "brand" because I don't trust them. Thanks for doing the tests that show that I've been making the right call! Channels like yours prove that the Internet can be used for Good.
One thing to consider is manufacturer guarantee tho. Its a pain in the ass sending things back to the manufacturer when the retailer has washed their hands of the replacement guarantee. Amazon would basically make it much easier to get replacements
@@YTDumpsterBaby if you go to hf and spend about the same you get a better built tool set that has a lifetime guarantee. Much easier to walk into a store and trade in a tool than having to mail things back and forth. Same thing with most major box store tool sets. Which companies have stopped their lifetime guarantee?
While I have and do buy cheap, screwdrivers and some other tools for occasional around the house or light work, I would not and do not buy "comprehensive sets". Another good place for cheap screwdrivers is loaner tools.
Amazon continues its trend of finding a company willing to give it a cut of sales on an existing product in return for the Amazon’s Choice sticker. Was looking at shredders, recently, and found literally the same shredder as an Amazon Basics one, but it was $10 cheaper.
I really despise the way they do that. You look up anything on Amazon and you have to wade through hordes of expensive re-sellers only to discover the actual manufacturer either isn't on Amazon or like I said, buried. But all the re-sellers have 50,000,000 5 star reviews so I guess I'm wrong.
After noticing that the Amazon search engine isn't really a search engine I would figure out what I want independent of it and then check if they had it. Now I skip the going back to see if Amazon has it part. I turn to them when I can't find something elsewhere.
I’m completely finished with buying ANYTHING from Amazon that IS NOT a household brand name that has been making REPUTABLE PRODUCTS for a very long time. BUY ONCE-CRY ONCE ! There are no exceptions to this rule. There is a very SPECIFIC REASON the best products available cost two to three times as much as the other junk being pedaled by third party “Amazon- Made in China Importers”. Do your research diligently, choose your brands, purchase DIRECTLY FROM THEM, if possible. If your BRAND OF CHOICE is sold by Amazon, make sure it’s Prime, so you can return it free of charge if it’s a counterfeit 😎. I’m not talking about vacuum cleaner bags here my friends. We are talking about stuff that should last a purchaser’s lifetime. A WRENCH ! 😂
Cheap tools are great on the farm. I’m sure they’ll disc under just fine. It all depends on how well the chrome holds up when it gets tilled back to the surface 3 years later.
My guess is the reason the opening sizes on the wrenches are higher than average is due to fewer layers of plating. Likely using the same forgings for some other set, but reducing plating to save cost. This should be evident in the future if plating starts to bubble/pit.
As a heavy equipment mechanic for the past 50 yrs (now retired) I have many name brands in my boxes ; Snap-On, Mac, Matco, Cornwell. Different manufacturers have different specialty tools. I use my tools hard. I also have purchased many URREA tools and have found them to be equal in quality to the above popular names. I know, they are made in Mexico but that is better than China.
In the words of Ave. "The sting of poor quality lasts long after the thrill of a "good deal" has faded" I would rather hurt a bit more for a good purchase than pay for it every time I use it. These cheap products have more similarities to a subscription service than an actual product 😂
"Product or subscription service." I like it. I am going to borrow it and add it in the rotation with my old term, "disposable appliance." Some companies take pride in keeping the fish swimming up sh!t creek w/o a paddle, expecting us to come back for more. Other companies like to deviate quarterly after the "thrill of a good idea" has faded. Snacks for example: The original flavor was perfect. A new garbage flavor comes out quarterly or during holidays to get us to bite on an impulse buy. I have learned the hard way to ignore those and "dance with one that brung ya." There aren't enough pot head focus groups with the munchies at Frito Lay or Taco Bell that can whip up a batch of suicide nachos and convince me the new limited time item is better than the tried and true.
I'd trust PF more overall for real-world uses. No offense to TTC. (He's been around longer and tends to do more real-world testing that matters to me. Much as I'd like my extensions to last forever, I'm not putting a 1/2" adapter onto a 3/4" drive and beating the hell out of it when I just need to drive some bolts.)
@@ulogy agreed 100%. Torture tests are cool, and absolutely interesting. But it's highly unrealistic that most people will ever put their tools through those types of conditions. Even PF has some tests that would never realistically happen to most people. Both channels serve important purposes and I love them both.
@@Mike-sy6oy PF diagonal cutter pliers video is the biggest joke of all time. “Cheap tool does better because it's soft and not hard unlike expensive tool” meanwhile he's trying to cut nails used for building housing studs with a tool that is only designed to cut copper and maybe 2mm piano wire.
@@johncoops6897 - there is bias with PF. He recently tested some sort of clothing, and gave higher points for clothing that let air flow through more readily. I pointed out in the video’s comments that the better air flow would be nicer in warm weather, but in windy and colder weather the clothing that didn’t allow air to flow as readily would be preferable. I’m sure you know his typical reply, something like thanks for the comment.
A while back an engineer friend who works for Amazon told me that Amazon has an algorithm that picks out popular items and they contract with the factory to re-badge their own versions of these items and then try to undercut the other supplier. There is zero thought about the item being usable. It seems like they are just trying to add branding to the equation to do this more effectively.
They can undercut because they don't charge stocking fees on their 'own' products. Grocery stores do the same thing - they'll charge, say, Nestle, to stock a product; but if Nestle makes a grocery store brand product (think President's Choice, Selection, etc.) there is no stocking fee. Hence the lower price.
@John Yes Amazon is using the consumer to do the market research for them to find a popular product and then Amazon goes in to undercut whatever brand. Holy shit how a is middle level company to survive facing this Amazon copying juggernaut.
@@lprocter1982 That's absolute nonsense lol. The cost savings comes from cutting out the profit margin and overhead of name brands. The grocery stores go directly to the manufacturer, and get their own products made, which completely cuts the name brands out of the equation. Stocking fees "charged" by the grocery store are still just paid by the grocery store, since they are the buyer, that's just their way to prioritize who gets stocked near the end of the isle, but in the end the grocery store, and then the customer, pays for everything.
Love the move to testing more and more non-power tools. Keep 'em coming. Would be great to see some ratchet tests comparisons. Particularly if you could take the heads apart and show the various internal designs along with the review.
I bought a cheap 3/4 socket set in 2004 for $30 at a local Big Lots and they are holding up like a champ. I even put them on a 1/2 impact with an adapter and they do fine. It goes to show you that cheap stuff is getting cheaper over the years.
I tested one of the 'better' cheap impact wrenches off ebay ($30 inc battery and shipping). The thing managed a very rusty lug nut... that was all, it died straight after that! 🤣
Excellent review. 1 star general is my new user name. Thanks! Too bad amazon removes my well thought out critiques due to "community standards". Community standards like having the same Chinese item being sold under no less than 10 different "brands" made up entirely by rolling ones face across a keyboard and then removing every other letter, all priced all within 23 cents of each other. Just like how RUclips will probably remove this comment because I used a no no word. (pro tip: it's Chinese) Edit: also I've been considering replacing my vintage craftsman with tekton, your tests have made me love my tools again. So, thank you.
1:30 First thought that came to mind "It's Amazon, they want to save on the shipping weight." Has nothing to do with quality considerations, lol. I used to deliver 53' trailers to Amazon warehouses, you would be surprised what they sacrifice for a few pennies. It adds up, they are massive.
I really wasn't expecting what I found here - man, you know how to evaluate a tool! Impressed, good job. I don't recall seeing the Powerfist line on your list - is it off the charts??!
I've always viewed the "basics" line of Amazon products as just that, about as cheap and bare bones as you can get. However, they're not always the cheapest and there are other "same price" or similar priced items with a lot more quality. it just seems to be amazon making a profit for themselves as best they know how. cheap out on everything possible and sell it for cheap. they'll get enough sales to make some money off it. Sad Amazon branded items tend to be close to the bottom of the barrel when they've got enough money and know how to make great value products.
That's capitalism, baby! It distinctly _does not_ produce the best quality products, even with heavy competition... It produces the _most profitable_ products for the competition... and profit is not quality going out the door.
@@ashkebora7262 it does and it doesn’t. Big companies often go like Amazon and Walmart and go for cheap but high volume route, but plenty of reputable companies go high quality-high margin and lower sales. It turns into an either or proposition, they’re going for two totally different consumer markets. You can maximize profit by customer retention, not just by minimizing cost.
@@connorjones1485 Except you're missing the part where bulk sellers make A LOT more profit than low volume sellers. The bulk sellers like Amazon and Walmart can temporarily directly compete with quality, undercut on prices because they don't HAVE to make a profit on the higher quality stuff, and once the HQ business goes out of business, they can do what ever the hell they want. It's exactly how they wedge out competition. It's exactly why there are only really three-ish actual manufacturers of ALL of the brands of tools. It's exactly why Walmart killed off TONS of smaller stores. Unregulated capitalism (which is basically what we have) *does not* produce quality. Watch a few videos of Apple's repairs and how poor some of their engineering is, and how they are utter dicks to the repair industry, and you'll see that it's not even good for the _after_ market. Capitalism *requires* heavy regulation to produce good. When something *requires* a short, strong leash to produce good ... that means it is _not_ good itself.
I really hope you go on and write reviews on all the tools you buy off Amazon so ppl who don't know about Torque Test Channel can benefit from what you've found and to outweigh all the fake paid for 5 Star reviews. 👍👍
I would like to see you start doing more reviews these types of toolkits vs the others on the market. Aside from your great tool specific data points, I would love to see your take a a rating system for "first apartment tool kit", "starter mechanics tools", and "a good kit to throw in the car/truck".
same. I have a craftsman set pretty similar to this but it’s also got 1/2” stuff in it. I’ve never actually used it yet because i’ve never broken anything on my jeep in the trail but it’s there when i need it.
Another important thing to remember is the pain factor using those thin wrenches - the thinner they are, the more like razor blades they feel against your fingers. Perhaps that's the wrenches method of self preservation? You'd never be able to put enough torque on one to slip it, before guillotining your own fingers off.
The only time these wrenches will be useful is in small spaces, and then only if it's not that tight. Sometimes though you really need a thin wrench. I have bought wrenches that were extra thin, but they were usually expensive.
Nice job, as usual, you get what you pay for! Cheap tools have their place, i.e. if you only need it for 1 job and it survives, great, if you need to depend on it, pay more! Now videos like yours can help inform our choices, but I tend to stick to my older Snap on, Britool, Gedor, etc. even these companies are cutting back on their previous quality to hit a price point now. Thanks for the great content.
2 of the most common bolts are 1/4 20s with a 7/16 head, and 3/8 with a 9/16 head. But sometimes you need the heavy duty stuff, 1/2 with a 3/4 head. So generally speaking, I won't even consider a set with no 3/4 wrench. I also prefer a 5/16 to be included in a set, because that's the size of a lot of electrical equipment fasteners. Sure I can use a nut driver, or the end of my 11-1 screwdriver with a bit removed. But not the torque of the wrench.
But... Would indeed make for the /perfect/ emergency kit to keep in your vehicle. Sufficient enough to do some tasks, contained in a nice (enough) case, and cheap enough where who gives a flying fork if it's damaged/stolen/rusted/accidentally left on the roadside _(or its 10mm sockets magically get lost inside the engine compartment, as they are so want to do! lol)_ 😁
@@blkmoon33 Well that's why. You're a professional! lol I wouldn't lose any of them either, if they came off a tool truck! (almost said 'food truck' haha)
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE You can find much better kits for similar money to stash in your car or give your kid when they leave for college. This kind of kit is for people who just don't know any better and are not likely to actually use it.
Love your hardness tester! That Jerry screws everything could save so many phones by using a bit more modern approach! TTC for strength, PF for lubrication!
I noticed their new brand of tools this past week. While I didn’t see the set you tested, I did notice some of their impact socket sets. They looked like either rebranded Sunex sets or direct copies of them. I’d be curious if they were better quality than the chrome set you tested.
Well it's somewhat hard to make black sockets look different, so it's an easy correlation. But Denali's are China and Sunex which are very good are Taiwan. Also, you'll notice Denali's are missing the pin hole which professional jobsites require for impact socket retention, the stamping on the Denali is at random locations on the body in relation to the laser marking and also narrow and shallow, vs Sunex's which are always placed 180 to the lasering. And smaller sizes are tapered on the Denali which is cheaper to make vs the (at least of the deep sockets) necked down sizes from Sunex on the smaller end. I can't imagine spending $150 on a Denali set, gives me the heebie jeebies
@@TorqueTestChannel I didn’t look that close but yea I agree I wouldn’t buy them either. I own a few Sunex impact socket sets and they are awesome. I appreciate y’all taking the time to review stuff like this. Keep up the good work!
Sunex is really good, as is Tekton. I’d put them up against Snap-On for impacts. Chromes, I wouldn’t go with them. Gearwench or Snap-On for chromes, I had a set of Tektons and idk I just don’t really like them I don’t know why¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The name Denali has been on Amazon for a long time. I have woodworking clamps I bought on AMZ that are branded Denali from 2008. Not sure if it's the same.
i would like to see the harbor freight 301 tool set compete in this series, i think the way he measured for hardness and researched what metal was used for the tools gave great info.
Well I don't have data to back it up bit I've had a set of these for about 7 years now. The sockets are pretty good for what they are. The ratchets are okay. The specialty bits are surprisingly good, although the hex ones could be a bit larger for a tighter fit in socket head bolts. The screw drivers are meh. The pliers are not horrible but not good either. The allens are bad. The wrenches are horrible. The adjustable spanner wrench is also horrible and the first thing I'd recommend replacing if you do buy the set. I have replaced the 1/2" and 10mm deep sockets with impact rated sockets but they survived a lot of use on the end of a m18 impact and a m12 fuel impact. Over 2 years of use 6-7 days a week doing assembly. In general HF hand tools are usually okay. Some of them are pretty bad, others are shockingly good. You can usually tell by the appearance. Their low end power tools get a thumbs down from me, higher priced ones are okay. Never buy abrasives of any sort from them such as sand paper or grinding discs, they just tend to suck. That's just my $0.02 on HF.
Harbor freight tools are decent and a great way to fill the tool box with tools that are good enough. It’s one thing if you’re twisting wrench’s 40 hours a week but to do a brake job once a year and other weekend garage tinkering I don’t think you’ll need anything more. I love my Hercules power tools. US general boxes are great.
In the 70's in the UK they were selling sockets set from some kind of aluminium alloy that came from Hong Kong and were given away in Gas stations if you collected points. AT least these are made of steel.
My dad bought me a set of wrenches a while ago from amazon and each one of them are now 1 size larger. I had a flat tire once on a trailer and I had to use one of the bigger wrenches to take the lugs off and the wrench just bent into an L as I stepped on it. Glad a guy pulled over and helped me. I think they're made out of brass or something cause the inside of them are a golden color
I used a grinder to "thin" a wrench to take off and put on bicycle pedals. it was metric (I forget which size, maybe 13mm?). that is the only wrench I ever needed to be thin. These look to be "bicycle grade".
I used to be in the Vine program. I got in because I wrote a lot of reasonably thorough reviews, not because I was popular (I wasn’t). There is absolutely no pressure to write a positive review or give a good rating. Vine members can choose from everything that’s available to review, though you can only have 4 items pending review iirc. I’m no longer in the program because they kicked me out for not reviewing products, it got old after a while plus kids and divorce kept me bust 😆. I finally remembered to check the Vine page and found this message: “Your Vine account has been closed for not meeting our program participation criteria. You will still be able to view your Vine reviews and Vine order history but will no longer be able to request Vine items. We encourage you to continue posting unbiased reviews to be able to participate in the program again in the future.”
Those thin wrenches can have their place. In hydraulics you will see combinations of fittings that will sometimes lead you to need a tappet or thin wrench. Cylinder assembly being an example as well...
just by looking at their products online compared to others, you can see how they devoted all the money to branding, while keeping the tools below mediocre quality. Thank you for confirming what their own photos of the product show. Goes inline with Amazon brand, cheaper knockoffs of good brands while charging high prices. Kind of sad, they could easily dominate the market by making quality products and saving/making the profit on the distribution/sourcing sides, not on the saving of materials/build side of the actual product.
It’s interesting that project farm has such different results, It seems there is a QC difference depending on what hut the tools come out of. Seriously though I’ve noticed that some times deWalt impact bits fracture in a few uses, vs some I’ve had for years.
That set mirrors the Dewalt set I have, all the way down to the driver bits in the case. It's been the best kit I've used thus far but I admit I've never used the wrenches yet
@@Jackson-T23 DWMT73802, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a "white box" situation with the same manufacturer, but the dewalt box wrenches aren't drop forged
@@oddojaggins yeah I have the same set. The pack out is identical so I went ahead and started comparing and measuring to stuff in this video-- most pieces seem to be different and significant higher quality in the dewalt.
definitely want to see the hex adapter test. Can you get some big tool truck names in with it to show if there's a difference between them and what's availible in the store if you do that test?
I think Snap-On only has 1/4"? Have not seen 1/2" or 3/8" from Matco, I think Mac Tools has them. But there may not be really any tool truck options as it were to include
@@TorqueTestChannel snap on has at least a 3/8 one, pretty sure Mac does too, even if it is just a rebranded DeWalt (kinda the purpose XD). No idea about matco though, don't have a truck in my area.
Yep - just what I thought when you mentioned the “A” team. They’re obviously targeting novice mechanics, single moms, and the lesser fortunate people, who shop Amazon regularly, and looking for a “good deal”. Looks like you get what you pay for…maybe.
But does the plastic have that Harbor Freight smell? I bought one of there sets because I was in a pinch and left the set in the shop. The shop was blistering hot the next day and I couldn't breath walking through the door. Had to take all the tools out of the box and through it outside to out gas for a month. Spent the next week with all the doors open and fans going just to air the shop out. The smell did eventually go away but it made the shop useless.
bought an amazon basic ratchet screwdriver. not long into use and the ratchet mechanism got stuck. I had to open it and free it in order to make it work again. the bits it came with were kinda weak too
In the 1980's and 90's I bought quite a few hand tools from the Craftsman aisles at the local Sears. No particular reason for that other than it was convenient and they usually stocked pretty much anything I needed. Since then I've done a lot of crazy stuff with those tools, pounding them with sledge hammers to simulate an impact driver, and almost anything that would make a real technician cringe. Haven't broken any of them yet. A lot of the wrenches have some pretty impressive hammer marks - badges of honor for excellent service. That stuff was made when Sears was still a viable retailer, and not made in China. I've got a few tools inherited from parents and grandparents, some of them made in the 1950's. Still work great. I remember when I was a kid, hearing people say "They don't make 'em like they used to". I guess that's still true.
i've done the same with my canadian tire wrenches. made in china but definitely better than the harbour freight china wrenches that broke on me instantly.
I managed to break one ratchet handle, and they replaced it. They weren't the BEST, but they were pretty good, and not nearly as expensive as the best. If I get 95% the quality of the best at 75% the price, I take it.
Looks like a good deal. Everyone should buy a set like this. When individual drives break, sockets strip out, and screwdrivers get all chewed up, replace them with better ones-just onesy-twosey. Makes a lot more sense than spending 5 times the amount for quality you’re never going to use.
I bought a Beta set of tools in year 1980, paying about $2 for each screwdriver - expensive for 42 years ago, but the set is still good as new. Saving money on tools make no sense. Amazon is intent in distributing as many as possible Chinese tools made of "Chinesyum" - a metal that melts under intense sunlight; I kept a set of drill bits paid $2: the helicoidal spiral unwinds when the bits are used, as they are made of some sort of solder alloy aka Chinesyum. Thank you for the nice video - always nice to know of what I've to beware of...
Of course buying cheap tools makes sense. If you use them twice a year they will probably also hold a decade or more. So why buy something expensive if you don't need it?
Thanks for posting this test which tells us that the Denali brand is absolutely awesome for light duty assembly and disassembly of such things as toy wagons, swing sets, and coffee makers. Just don't rely on these for tie rods, ball joints, or anything of that nature.
I brought my little "Screwdriver impact" to work on the car with the adapters for sockets. I didn't/don't expect it to torque things well, but once you break it loose, it will walk bolts out and in with speed.
The thinness of the wrenches, and overall kit, is rather similar to the Walmart 'Hart' tool kit. Even the ratchets are eerily similar. Id be very shocked if they don't share the same TTI parent company, or at least the actual fabs that make them.
I don't like Amazon and the way they sell things until they can develop their own, then begin to shadow the other brands to favor their own. So I'm not interested. But I love your video and deep dive into it, so great job.
Lol, I'm not a buyer even if this is a budget set. The set stops at 17mm 😂😂😂 . This should go from 8mm to 19mm at the least. Both in wrench size and socket size.
I mean this tool box is great for someone like me who will use the tools maybe 5 or 10 times in a year max. It’s nice to have something you can grab that’s cheap if you need to put together some furniture or some bs
Seconding the shake test and suggesting that at least some credit be given for the blow-molded clamshells being on a mechanical hinge rather than a flex hinge that lasts no time at all. I'd never buy these tools but, there is a market for the price point.
Yo I'd never buy this crap but those thin wrenches are actually something I wish I had in my box. Not those exactly, some quality ones that are narrow like that Thanks for sharing your skills knowledge and experience. I appreciate you
I just had a project where I wished I had a thin wrench...had to dig out my old cheap set...hey that fits nice. It's been at least 5 yrs since I needed it last
I have great compact tool set, mostly sockets for ratchet size 1/4-3/8-1/2 with extentions for each, and the ratchets still works,a very complete set that's been used hard. Half sae and half metric And Not spread out. In a hard plastic folding case that's holds the tools well, and is very portable and still holding up and been use hundreds of times,. I bought about 30 + years ago when craftsman was USA made, it came with 5 wenches, a screw driver bit holder with all the bits you would need, with storage room for more. Vise grips, Allen's, razor knife, wire stripper, connectors,tape,, everything one would need for the salvage yard. About the size of a brief case.. one of the best things I ever owned, they just don't have a solid mostly complete set like that anymore. Now there flimsy incomplete cases with the tools spread out and most made in China.. made lite to keep shipping 🚢 weight down.. now days there are so many to choose from thats sold cheap and made cheap.
These tools are IDENTICAL to the Amazon brand TackLife from a couple years ago. Wrenches look cheaper, maybe other cost cutting measures. The box is a different color. Other than that its Identical.
So this goes into the "Gifts for Dad under $100" bin. Dad wouldn't buy it, but he'd pretend to be happy to have this on Christmas morning. And it goes to Goodwill by New Years.
I would like to know more about who makes China-sourced tools, and Taiwan, too. I don't think that TTC is going to take an undercover trip to Guangdong province, but it would be interesting to learn if there is a Great Helmsman Wrench Factory that makes all the wrenches labeled Made in China.
Taiwan is much easier, China is quite spread out and the manufacturing base around port cities, Shanghai, Hangzhou, Ningbo, and in the south in Guangzhou is immense and nearly countless. In Taiwan there's like 5 key players, which we'll point out in testing similar things soon
Everytimes I want to buy new tools I look for your channel if you already tested it! And as always at the end of the video I'm a 100% sure of my choice
Can you do a test of some of those sockets with all the pins that can grab any shape/size nut/bolt in their range? How much torque are you giving up? Do those exist in an impact rated form?
There's a lot of comments on here about how Amazon has the resources to make a top quality product, but cheaped out instead. How do you think Amazon got all those resources in the first place? By selling nothing but the finest products to the 4 people who can afford them?
Apart from actual tool manufacturers like Snap-On, Stanley, Sidchrome, SP, Kinchrome, etc. all other tools are just rebranded. DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, and all the cheaper brands just find a tool that meets their standard and slaps a brand on it. Some of the better companies will have some tools made for them, but I've had reputable brands of tools and found them to be identical to other brands. This isn't so mucb a bad thing because brands like DeWalt and Milwaukee focus on their power tools so buying an adjustable spanner and having some Korean company make them an adjustable plier is saving money and making the end product cheaper because the R&D is done for them and customers can show brand loyalty. In the end, just stick to what that brand does well. I personally like Milwaukee power tools (although their entry level impact is pretty mediocre) and SP or Sidchrome for sockets and the like. Drills and drill bits I've found Sutton to be good (they're owned by Stanley I believe) but I break drill accessories a lot so cheaper price is important to me!
Just removed 3 heavily rusted on and stripped bolts and have to say from my experience having to get 2 bolt extractors with nearly identical packaging, price often means nothing on Amazon specific stuff. It's a race to the bottom for a company to make 10 different brands to repackage AliExpress stuff from a single supplier to get on that best sellers list. Quality control is a serious issue. A scant few good things to be found, but mostly garbage. Lots and lots of garbage. Too much in my opinion. Especially electronics. I would make some changes as it really hurts Amazon's reputation in the long run. Amazon's basics does have a team of engineers, but the team is quite small and the overwhelming majority of the Amazon basics stuff is just rebranded nonsense. There are almost always better options available for the same or even lower price nowadays.
It's a pretty comprehensive set for the not so serious tool user, e.g., an emergency set for the auto or boat (a set that may never see service but provide an economical set for those 'just in case' times).
You don’t use the open end on a combination wrench to apply significant torque. It is the end you you use for speed. To apply torque use a six point socket with a torque wrench. If it just needs to be operationally tight use the boxer end. To break torqued bolts use the box end or again a six point socket. The open end of a combination wrench should never be used to apply significant torque. So this testing is how much improper use and abuse a tool can stand up to.
Can you test the universal impact socket? The price of the Amazon Basic pipe pliers went up and are never available after the TTC review. I know you tested several cordless ratchet. I'd like to see how the Skil and Prostorm ratchet do against the big brand names Thanks.
I think some Amazon branded items are a hit. The old rechargeable AA batteries were a huge hit. I have to preface the old ones, the new ones aren't even close to the old batteries. I'd say if it's good buy a second set and keep it. Once they sell enough volume they cheapen the items.
@@TorqueTestChannel Having been on the testing end of most of your videos I can give lectures on the "values" given by most brands. There are so many pretenders when it comes to functional tool systems and the motives behind companies making anything that isn't far superior to what exists really bugs the shit out of me. Building sub-par items (whether its tools, kitchen utensils, or anything for that matter) needs to be a punishable crime.
If people that are on a budget for tools just wait for sales and often the big tool brands and craftsman tools can be found for cheap. I have bought craftsman set 120 piece at lowes before for $39. Also some of the harbor freight tools can be reasonably priced and will hold up well like the Icon line
Thanks for the tool review on the Denali. I use Snap-On and Craftsmen some new and old. The Denali looks worse than Harbor Freight tools. But then first gen of most things is not successful most of the time. That said cheap is cheap as in Chinese.
The market for these kits aren't for people that are going to be using breaker bars to get that kind of torque. Cost should be more heavily factored in final result. But that's just my 2 cents.
Great test guys! I will be in be the minority but not everyone needs Pro quality tools. This set would do for probalby 80% or more of people. There only use will be assembling furniture in a box, tightening a bolt on a bike or mower, etc. Buy tools that suit your needs.
Exactly. I feel like to many people are ragging on it for not much reason. People that watch these kind of channels care about their tools, and getting the best, or use them professionally. For 60 dollars, even if they are a little thin, even if they slip sooner, and are not as hard, it is perfectly fine. It allows normal, everyday people, to do things they otherwise couldn't. 60 dollars, for access to a plethora of tools is great. My kit, as a hobbiest, cost me over 100 pounds, so over 120 dollars. It is better than this kit, obviously, but I rarely find myself using enough force to make even this kit slip, or not do things up properly. I run lathes, maintain and restore other tools and work as a gardener. So I do use my kit seems it's fair share of use, more than the average person. For 60 dollars, or 50 pounds, this seems like a good, all round, everyday normal person, kit. No complaints from me.
@@johnmckee7937 I would use some old US made craftsman if I could, not likely to find any in the UK. We do have our own good tools though. Most of my tools consist of my grandads old british and west german tools, my fathers old engineering tools, and a few very old British tools from my great aunt and uncle, which they used in WW2. Some really quality made tools, I would use the old wrenches, but they are in Imperial, and we don't use it over here anymore. And I needed a ratchet, so I had to get a kit. I just got one of the "professional' kits from a big hardware store, lifetime warranty, and they are well built. Works good enough for anything I need. And I do think this kit (in the video) will do good for the average home owner too.
Yes the case matters not just for the rattle of the tools but also for the lousy hinges and the lousy latches and you guys need to test for that sort of stuff particularly the hinges and latches that are doomed to fail on many products
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You guys skipped the most important test. The “original tool box test”, this is where you put all the tools in the box and then rattle the box around as if it were in a truck toolbox riding down one of the bumpiest dirt roads in Southern Alabama and then you lay the toolbox in the “ready to open, ready to work” position and open the box. If more than 3 sockets or tools have come out of its plastic holding then you immediately take/send the toolbox set back to where the hell it came from cuz even if the tools are great, if you gotta clean up sockets for 10 minutes and replace everything every time you open the stupid box then it’s worthless.
Start by securing the box inside the car and you might save a bit of time.
@@marcuszettergren8885 Eh, that's a decent point, but sometimes the entire vehicle is the thing shaking, not just the box, so it's still a factor.
@@marcuszettergren8885 some of those crappy tool cases will reorganize your sockets if you fart near them
Facts 🤣
Yes
I have never bought this sort of tool "brand" because I don't trust them. Thanks for doing the tests that show that I've been making the right call! Channels like yours prove that the Internet can be used for Good.
One thing to consider is manufacturer guarantee tho. Its a pain in the ass sending things back to the manufacturer when the retailer has washed their hands of the replacement guarantee. Amazon would basically make it much easier to get replacements
@@YTDumpsterBaby if you go to hf and spend about the same you get a better built tool set that has a lifetime guarantee. Much easier to walk into a store and trade in a tool than having to mail things back and forth. Same thing with most major box store tool sets. Which companies have stopped their lifetime guarantee?
@@Wpjgdmtu hf = harbor freight?
@@BrianOrEric yes they have really good lifetime warranty but i think its limited to one per year if im not mistaken
While I have and do buy cheap, screwdrivers and some other tools for occasional around the house or light work, I would not and do not buy "comprehensive sets".
Another good place for cheap screwdrivers is loaner tools.
Amazon continues its trend of finding a company willing to give it a cut of sales on an existing product in return for the Amazon’s Choice sticker. Was looking at shredders, recently, and found literally the same shredder as an Amazon Basics one, but it was $10 cheaper.
And good luck filtering through all of the sponsored junk to find the good stuff.
I really despise the way they do that.
You look up anything on Amazon and you have to wade through hordes of expensive re-sellers only to discover the actual manufacturer either isn't on Amazon or like I said, buried.
But all the re-sellers have 50,000,000 5 star reviews so I guess I'm wrong.
@@mediocreman2 good luck trying to filter out junk when you want to just look on their site at all!
After noticing that the Amazon search engine isn't really a search engine I would figure out what I want independent of it and then check if they had it. Now I skip the going back to see if Amazon has it part. I turn to them when I can't find something elsewhere.
I’m completely finished with buying ANYTHING from Amazon that IS NOT a household brand name that has been making REPUTABLE PRODUCTS for a very long time.
BUY ONCE-CRY ONCE ! There are no exceptions to this rule. There is a very SPECIFIC REASON the best products available cost two to three times as much as the other junk being pedaled by third party “Amazon- Made in China Importers”. Do your research diligently, choose your brands, purchase DIRECTLY FROM THEM, if possible. If your BRAND OF CHOICE is sold by Amazon, make sure it’s Prime, so you can return it free of charge if it’s a counterfeit 😎. I’m not talking about vacuum cleaner bags here my friends. We are talking about stuff that should last a purchaser’s lifetime. A WRENCH ! 😂
Cheap tools are great on the farm. I’m sure they’ll disc under just fine. It all depends on how well the chrome holds up when it gets tilled back to the surface 3 years later.
Expensive tools have same germination rate as cheap ones
LOL
My guess is the reason the opening sizes on the wrenches are higher than average is due to fewer layers of plating. Likely using the same forgings for some other set, but reducing plating to save cost. This should be evident in the future if plating starts to bubble/pit.
As a heavy equipment mechanic for the past 50 yrs (now retired) I have many name brands in my boxes ; Snap-On, Mac, Matco, Cornwell. Different manufacturers have different specialty tools. I use my tools hard. I also have purchased many URREA tools and have found them to be equal in quality to the above popular names. I know, they are made in Mexico but that is better than China.
In the words of Ave. "The sting of poor quality lasts long after the thrill of a "good deal" has faded"
I would rather hurt a bit more for a good purchase than pay for it every time I use it. These cheap products have more similarities to a subscription service than an actual product 😂
"subscription service". 😆
buy once cry once, great way to live
"Product or subscription service." I like it. I am going to borrow it and add it in the rotation with my old term, "disposable appliance." Some companies take pride in keeping the fish swimming up sh!t creek w/o a paddle, expecting us to come back for more. Other companies like to deviate quarterly after the "thrill of a good idea" has faded. Snacks for example: The original flavor was perfect. A new garbage flavor comes out quarterly or during holidays to get us to bite on an impulse buy. I have learned the hard way to ignore those and "dance with one that brung ya." There aren't enough pot head focus groups with the munchies at Frito Lay or Taco Bell that can whip up a batch of suicide nachos and convince me the new limited time item is better than the tried and true.
The value of this type of content on RUclips is immense. Thanks for all your great work!
I'd love to see a TTC vs. Project Farm series - re-test things PF has done and either confirm or dispute PF's findings. And vice versa of course!
I'd trust PF more overall for real-world uses. No offense to TTC. (He's been around longer and tends to do more real-world testing that matters to me. Much as I'd like my extensions to last forever, I'm not putting a 1/2" adapter onto a 3/4" drive and beating the hell out of it when I just need to drive some bolts.)
@@ulogy agreed 100%. Torture tests are cool, and absolutely interesting. But it's highly unrealistic that most people will ever put their tools through those types of conditions. Even PF has some tests that would never realistically happen to most people.
Both channels serve important purposes and I love them both.
@@Mike-sy6oy PF diagonal cutter pliers video is the biggest joke of all time. “Cheap tool does better because it's soft and not hard unlike expensive tool” meanwhile he's trying to cut nails used for building housing studs with a tool that is only designed to cut copper and maybe 2mm piano wire.
@@svn5994 I think PF does a great job of presenting all the information you need to make your own mind up.
@@johncoops6897 - there is bias with PF. He recently tested some sort of clothing, and gave higher points for clothing that let air flow through more readily. I pointed out in the video’s comments that the better air flow would be nicer in warm weather, but in windy and colder weather the clothing that didn’t allow air to flow as readily would be preferable. I’m sure you know his typical reply, something like thanks for the comment.
A while back an engineer friend who works for Amazon told me that Amazon has an algorithm that picks out popular items and they contract with the factory to re-badge their own versions of these items and then try to undercut the other supplier. There is zero thought about the item being usable. It seems like they are just trying to add branding to the equation to do this more effectively.
They can undercut because they don't charge stocking fees on their 'own' products. Grocery stores do the same thing - they'll charge, say, Nestle, to stock a product; but if Nestle makes a grocery store brand product (think President's Choice, Selection, etc.) there is no stocking fee. Hence the lower price.
@John Yes Amazon is using the consumer to do the market research for them to find a popular product and then Amazon goes in to undercut whatever brand. Holy shit how a is middle level company to survive facing this Amazon copying juggernaut.
Basically everything I have ever seen Amazon Basics is just a rebranded product, but that's common with a lot of companies, not just Amazon.
@@lprocter1982 That's absolute nonsense lol. The cost savings comes from cutting out the profit margin and overhead of name brands. The grocery stores go directly to the manufacturer, and get their own products made, which completely cuts the name brands out of the equation. Stocking fees "charged" by the grocery store are still just paid by the grocery store, since they are the buyer, that's just their way to prioritize who gets stocked near the end of the isle, but in the end the grocery store, and then the customer, pays for everything.
Love the move to testing more and more non-power tools. Keep 'em coming. Would be great to see some ratchet tests comparisons. Particularly if you could take the heads apart and show the various internal designs along with the review.
I bought a cheap 3/4 socket set in 2004 for $30 at a local Big Lots and they are holding up like a champ. I even put them on a 1/2 impact with an adapter and they do fine. It goes to show you that cheap stuff is getting cheaper over the years.
Thanks for testing, It's always good to know cheap junk is still cheap junk.
This isnt even cheap. Barely paid more for a Bacho kit that in addition has Swivel Joint Wrenches.
I tested one of the 'better' cheap impact wrenches off ebay ($30 inc battery and shipping). The thing managed a very rusty lug nut... that was all, it died straight after that! 🤣
A $30 lug nut, great deal lol.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 For $30 it was either try that or get half a gallon of gas! 🤣
For 30 bucks Amber Heard would come around to suck it off
Excellent review. 1 star general is my new user name. Thanks! Too bad amazon removes my well thought out critiques due to "community standards". Community standards like having the same Chinese item being sold under no less than 10 different "brands" made up entirely by rolling ones face across a keyboard and then removing every other letter, all priced all within 23 cents of each other. Just like how RUclips will probably remove this comment because I used a no no word. (pro tip: it's Chinese)
Edit: also I've been considering replacing my vintage craftsman with tekton, your tests have made me love my tools again. So, thank you.
Gotta laugh when people are like, "Woe is me, I'm gonna get censored, just you watch!", and then they're not. 😂
@@trickvro eyew to0b is well known for scensso ring comments that go against their agenda. Is this news to you?
Chinese is not enough, need to talk about their social media that starts with W to have youtube delete your comments.
@@trickvro Because you're a fool who isn't paying attention. "teehee, look, everything is fine and you're just paranoid!"
@@pflaffik W? Whinnie the Pooh or Wacefook?
The perfect set to stash in the truck or car for when you need something in a pinch, and only in a pinch.
Thank you. I will now cancel my amazon and support local stores and domestic made products. The future is looking bright.
Yep. I'm letting my membership expire for the first time in 10+ years.
Never hade a amazon membership, never will.
Lol you don’t have to buy this, wtf.
1:30 First thought that came to mind "It's Amazon, they want to save on the shipping weight." Has nothing to do with quality considerations, lol. I used to deliver 53' trailers to Amazon warehouses, you would be surprised what they sacrifice for a few pennies. It adds up, they are massive.
I really wasn't expecting what I found here - man, you know how to evaluate a tool! Impressed, good job. I don't recall seeing the Powerfist line on your list - is it off the charts??!
I've always viewed the "basics" line of Amazon products as just that, about as cheap and bare bones as you can get. However, they're not always the cheapest and there are other "same price" or similar priced items with a lot more quality. it just seems to be amazon making a profit for themselves as best they know how. cheap out on everything possible and sell it for cheap. they'll get enough sales to make some money off it. Sad Amazon branded items tend to be close to the bottom of the barrel when they've got enough money and know how to make great value products.
That's capitalism, baby! It distinctly _does not_ produce the best quality products, even with heavy competition... It produces the _most profitable_ products for the competition... and profit is not quality going out the door.
@@ashkebora7262 it does and it doesn’t. Big companies often go like Amazon and Walmart and go for cheap but high volume route, but plenty of reputable companies go high quality-high margin and lower sales. It turns into an either or proposition, they’re going for two totally different consumer markets. You can maximize profit by customer retention, not just by minimizing cost.
@@connorjones1485 Except you're missing the part where bulk sellers make A LOT more profit than low volume sellers. The bulk sellers like Amazon and Walmart can temporarily directly compete with quality, undercut on prices because they don't HAVE to make a profit on the higher quality stuff, and once the HQ business goes out of business, they can do what ever the hell they want.
It's exactly how they wedge out competition. It's exactly why there are only really three-ish actual manufacturers of ALL of the brands of tools. It's exactly why Walmart killed off TONS of smaller stores. Unregulated capitalism (which is basically what we have) *does not* produce quality. Watch a few videos of Apple's repairs and how poor some of their engineering is, and how they are utter dicks to the repair industry, and you'll see that it's not even good for the _after_ market.
Capitalism *requires* heavy regulation to produce good. When something *requires* a short, strong leash to produce good ... that means it is _not_ good itself.
You just said Amazon makes cheap crap but also that they know how to make products. So which is it?
@@ashkebora7262 Inconsistent snowflake theory.
I really hope you go on and write reviews on all the tools you buy off Amazon so ppl who don't know about Torque Test Channel can benefit from what you've found and to outweigh all the fake paid for 5 Star reviews. 👍👍
I would like to see you start doing more reviews these types of toolkits vs the others on the market. Aside from your great tool specific data points, I would love to see your take a a rating system for "first apartment tool kit", "starter mechanics tools", and "a good kit to throw in the car/truck".
same. I have a craftsman set pretty similar to this but it’s also got 1/2” stuff in it. I’ve never actually used it yet because i’ve never broken anything on my jeep in the trail but it’s there when i need it.
Another important thing to remember is the pain factor using those thin wrenches - the thinner they are, the more like razor blades they feel against your fingers. Perhaps that's the wrenches method of self preservation? You'd never be able to put enough torque on one to slip it, before guillotining your own fingers off.
The only time these wrenches will be useful is in small spaces, and then only if it's not that tight. Sometimes though you really need a thin wrench. I have bought wrenches that were extra thin, but they were usually expensive.
Nice job, as usual, you get what you pay for!
Cheap tools have their place, i.e. if you only need it for 1 job and it survives, great, if you need to depend on it, pay more!
Now videos like yours can help inform our choices, but I tend to stick to my older Snap on, Britool, Gedor, etc. even these companies are cutting back on their previous quality to hit a price point now.
Thanks for the great content.
Snap-On IS on the trend of cutting back on their old quality, but I have doubts it's for them themselves to hit a better price point.
6:09 So what does that technically make these? "Wrench-like objects"?
(very neat to know that there's an ASME standard for this)
Essentially this is showing how reviews on Amazon are skewed.
2 of the most common bolts are 1/4 20s with a 7/16 head, and 3/8 with a 9/16 head. But sometimes you need the heavy duty stuff, 1/2 with a 3/4 head. So generally speaking, I won't even consider a set with no 3/4 wrench. I also prefer a 5/16 to be included in a set, because that's the size of a lot of electrical equipment fasteners. Sure I can use a nut driver, or the end of my 11-1 screwdriver with a bit removed. But not the torque of the wrench.
Wow. Now this is what I call testing. Major kudos for diligence.
Looks like a home owner/car kit. Not sure I'd ever buy it. Thanks for the review guys!
But... Would indeed make for the /perfect/ emergency kit to keep in your vehicle.
Sufficient enough to do some tasks, contained in a nice (enough) case, and cheap enough where who gives a flying fork if it's damaged/stolen/rusted/accidentally left on the roadside _(or its 10mm sockets magically get lost inside the engine compartment, as they are so want to do! lol)_
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@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE oddly enough in 25 years as a tech I never lost a 10mm. Had some stolen by coworkers 🤣
@@blkmoon33 Well that's why. You're a professional! lol
I wouldn't lose any of them either, if they came off a tool truck! (almost said 'food truck' haha)
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE You can find much better kits for similar money to stash in your car or give your kid when they leave for college. This kind of kit is for people who just don't know any better and are not likely to actually use it.
Wrench Everyday discussed car kits and recommended the Pittsburg kit from HF because in store lifetime warranty.
Love your hardness tester! That Jerry screws everything could save so many phones by using a bit more modern approach! TTC for strength, PF for lubrication!
I noticed their new brand of tools this past week. While I didn’t see the set you tested, I did notice some of their impact socket sets. They looked like either rebranded Sunex sets or direct copies of them. I’d be curious if they were better quality than the chrome set you tested.
Well it's somewhat hard to make black sockets look different, so it's an easy correlation. But Denali's are China and Sunex which are very good are Taiwan. Also, you'll notice Denali's are missing the pin hole which professional jobsites require for impact socket retention, the stamping on the Denali is at random locations on the body in relation to the laser marking and also narrow and shallow, vs Sunex's which are always placed 180 to the lasering. And smaller sizes are tapered on the Denali which is cheaper to make vs the (at least of the deep sockets) necked down sizes from Sunex on the smaller end. I can't imagine spending $150 on a Denali set, gives me the heebie jeebies
@@TorqueTestChannel I didn’t look that close but yea I agree I wouldn’t buy them either. I own a few Sunex impact socket sets and they are awesome. I appreciate y’all taking the time to review stuff like this. Keep up the good work!
Sunex is really good, as is Tekton. I’d put them up against Snap-On for impacts. Chromes, I wouldn’t go with them. Gearwench or Snap-On for chromes, I had a set of Tektons and idk I just don’t really like them I don’t know why¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The name Denali has been on Amazon for a long time. I have woodworking clamps I bought on AMZ that are branded Denali from 2008. Not sure if it's the same.
Yup, Amazon has been using the Denali name for a long time. I have some pipe clamps from about 4 years ago. I believe they are the same brand.
i would like to see the harbor freight 301 tool set compete in this series, i think the way he measured for hardness and researched what metal was used for the tools gave great info.
Well I don't have data to back it up bit I've had a set of these for about 7 years now. The sockets are pretty good for what they are. The ratchets are okay. The specialty bits are surprisingly good, although the hex ones could be a bit larger for a tighter fit in socket head bolts. The screw drivers are meh. The pliers are not horrible but not good either. The allens are bad. The wrenches are horrible. The adjustable spanner wrench is also horrible and the first thing I'd recommend replacing if you do buy the set.
I have replaced the 1/2" and 10mm deep sockets with impact rated sockets but they survived a lot of use on the end of a m18 impact and a m12 fuel impact. Over 2 years of use 6-7 days a week doing assembly.
In general HF hand tools are usually okay. Some of them are pretty bad, others are shockingly good. You can usually tell by the appearance. Their low end power tools get a thumbs down from me, higher priced ones are okay. Never buy abrasives of any sort from them such as sand paper or grinding discs, they just tend to suck. That's just my $0.02 on HF.
Harbor freight tools are decent and a great way to fill the tool box with tools that are good enough. It’s one thing if you’re twisting wrench’s 40 hours a week but to do a brake job once a year and other weekend garage tinkering I don’t think you’ll need anything more. I love my Hercules power tools. US general boxes are great.
In the 70's in the UK they were selling sockets set from some kind of aluminium alloy that came from Hong Kong and were given away in Gas stations if you collected points. AT least these are made of steel.
What a great loyalty perk.... Knuckle buster sockets.
@@volvo09 The interior of the sockets just rounded off or the allen key that turned them slipped.
My dad bought me a set of wrenches a while ago from amazon and each one of them are now 1 size larger. I had a flat tire once on a trailer and I had to use one of the bigger wrenches to take the lugs off and the wrench just bent into an L as I stepped on it. Glad a guy pulled over and helped me. I think they're made out of brass or something cause the inside of them are a golden color
I was actually looking at this set earlier on Amazon…..thank you for the video….You saved me from buying a pile of garbage 👍
I used a grinder to "thin" a wrench to take off and put on bicycle pedals. it was metric (I forget which size, maybe 13mm?). that is the only wrench I ever needed to be thin. These look to be "bicycle grade".
"Park Tool" enters the chat....
I used to be in the Vine program. I got in because I wrote a lot of reasonably thorough reviews, not because I was popular (I wasn’t). There is absolutely no pressure to write a positive review or give a good rating. Vine members can choose from everything that’s available to review, though you can only have 4 items pending review iirc. I’m no longer in the program because they kicked me out for not reviewing products, it got old after a while plus kids and divorce kept me bust 😆. I finally remembered to check the Vine page and found this message:
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Those thin wrenches can have their place. In hydraulics you will see combinations of fittings that will sometimes lead you to need a tappet or thin wrench. Cylinder assembly being an example as well...
Watching this makes me glad all my tools are 40 years plus old except my impact driver and sockets, older stuff was made to last
just by looking at their products online compared to others, you can see how they devoted all the money to branding, while keeping the tools below mediocre quality. Thank you for confirming what their own photos of the product show. Goes inline with Amazon brand, cheaper knockoffs of good brands while charging high prices. Kind of sad, they could easily dominate the market by making quality products and saving/making the profit on the distribution/sourcing sides, not on the saving of materials/build side of the actual product.
It’s interesting that project farm has such different results, It seems there is a QC difference depending on what hut the tools come out of. Seriously though I’ve noticed that some times deWalt impact bits fracture in a few uses, vs some I’ve had for years.
That set mirrors the Dewalt set I have, all the way down to the driver bits in the case. It's been the best kit I've used thus far but I admit I've never used the wrenches yet
Which model number is your set?
@@Jackson-T23 DWMT73802, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a "white box" situation with the same manufacturer, but the dewalt box wrenches aren't drop forged
@@oddojaggins yeah I have the same set. The pack out is identical so I went ahead and started comparing and measuring to stuff in this video-- most pieces seem to be different and significant higher quality in the dewalt.
definitely want to see the hex adapter test. Can you get some big tool truck names in with it to show if there's a difference between them and what's availible in the store if you do that test?
I think Snap-On only has 1/4"? Have not seen 1/2" or 3/8" from Matco, I think Mac Tools has them. But there may not be really any tool truck options as it were to include
@@TorqueTestChannel snap on has at least a 3/8 one, pretty sure Mac does too, even if it is just a rebranded DeWalt (kinda the purpose XD). No idea about matco though, don't have a truck in my area.
Yep - just what I thought when you mentioned the “A” team. They’re obviously targeting novice mechanics, single moms, and the lesser fortunate people, who shop Amazon regularly, and looking for a “good deal”. Looks like you get what you pay for…maybe.
But does the plastic have that Harbor Freight smell? I bought one of there sets because I was in a pinch and left the set in the shop. The shop was blistering hot the next day and I couldn't breath walking through the door. Had to take all the tools out of the box and through it outside to out gas for a month. Spent the next week with all the doors open and fans going just to air the shop out. The smell did eventually go away but it made the shop useless.
bought an amazon basic ratchet screwdriver. not long into use and the ratchet mechanism got stuck. I had to open it and free it in order to make it work again. the bits it came with were kinda weak too
Thank you. Now I can add another brand to my blacklist.
In the 1980's and 90's I bought quite a few hand tools from the Craftsman aisles at the local Sears. No particular reason for that other than it was convenient and they usually stocked pretty much anything I needed. Since then I've done a lot of crazy stuff with those tools, pounding them with sledge hammers to simulate an impact driver, and almost anything that would make a real technician cringe. Haven't broken any of them yet. A lot of the wrenches have some pretty impressive hammer marks - badges of honor for excellent service. That stuff was made when Sears was still a viable retailer, and not made in China. I've got a few tools inherited from parents and grandparents, some of them made in the 1950's. Still work great. I remember when I was a kid, hearing people say "They don't make 'em like they used to". I guess that's still true.
i've done the same with my canadian tire wrenches. made in china but definitely better than the harbour freight china wrenches that broke on me instantly.
I managed to break one ratchet handle, and they replaced it. They weren't the BEST, but they were pretty good, and not nearly as expensive as the best. If I get 95% the quality of the best at 75% the price, I take it.
Looks like a good deal. Everyone should buy a set like this. When individual drives break, sockets strip out, and screwdrivers get all chewed up, replace them with better ones-just onesy-twosey. Makes a lot more sense than spending 5 times the amount for quality you’re never going to use.
YES! It would be great to see you test socket adapters/extensions for impacts!
PLEASE test the quarter inch socket adapters.
"Quality doesn't cost, it pays." This is usually true.
Love that you mention Project Farm. I’ve been following him since sub-100k and love his stuff. Interesting to see variation in testing!
I bought a Beta set of tools in year 1980, paying about $2 for each screwdriver - expensive for 42 years ago, but the set is still good as new.
Saving money on tools make no sense. Amazon is intent in distributing as many as possible Chinese tools made of "Chinesyum" - a metal that melts under intense sunlight; I kept a set of drill bits paid $2: the helicoidal spiral unwinds when the bits are used, as they are made of some sort of solder alloy aka Chinesyum.
Thank you for the nice video - always nice to know of what I've to beware of...
Chinesium* ftfy
Of course buying cheap tools makes sense.
If you use them twice a year they will probably also hold a decade or more. So why buy something expensive if you don't need it?
Thanks for posting this test which tells us that the Denali brand is absolutely awesome for light duty assembly and disassembly of such things as toy wagons, swing sets, and coffee makers. Just don't rely on these for tie rods, ball joints, or anything of that nature.
Yea Foreal thanks for using your resources to show us all the real facts. We appreciate you.
I brought my little "Screwdriver impact" to work on the car with the adapters for sockets. I didn't/don't expect it to torque things well, but once you break it loose, it will walk bolts out and in with speed.
The thinness of the wrenches, and overall kit, is rather similar to the Walmart 'Hart' tool kit. Even the ratchets are eerily similar. Id be very shocked if they don't share the same TTI parent company, or at least the actual fabs that make them.
TTI? Milwaukee's parent company?
I don't like Amazon and the way they sell things until they can develop their own, then begin to shadow the other brands to favor their own. So I'm not interested. But I love your video and deep dive into it, so great job.
Lol, I'm not a buyer even if this is a budget set. The set stops at 17mm 😂😂😂 . This should go from 8mm to 19mm at the least. Both in wrench size and socket size.
I understand when some sets skip 18mm, or even 16mm. But stopping at 17mm, or 15mm with wrenches? Just odd
Right!!!
He's right about 3/4" being in use pretty identical. What's perplexing though is the SAE going to 7/8" while metric stops at 15mm and 17mm.
18mm was pretty common on GM for a while.
It's definitely not a mechanics set... Maybe "dad's first wobbly swing set assembly kit".
I mean this tool box is great for someone like me who will use the tools maybe 5 or 10 times in a year max. It’s nice to have something you can grab that’s cheap if you need to put together some furniture or some bs
Seconding the shake test and suggesting that at least some credit be given for the blow-molded clamshells being on a mechanical hinge rather than a flex hinge that lasts no time at all.
I'd never buy these tools but, there is a market for the price point.
Slim wrenches are very useful when working on cars. I purchased a set of thin wrenches for tight spaces
Would love to see you all test the Incgo/ Total/ Emtop brand impact stuff. Theyre quite popular around Sputh asia and the Caribbean.
Yo I'd never buy this crap but those thin wrenches are actually something I wish I had in my box. Not those exactly, some quality ones that are narrow like that
Thanks for sharing your skills knowledge and experience. I appreciate you
I just had a project where I wished I had a thin wrench...had to dig out my old cheap set...hey that fits nice. It's been at least 5 yrs since I needed it last
I have great compact tool set, mostly sockets for ratchet size 1/4-3/8-1/2 with extentions for each, and the ratchets still works,a very complete set that's been used hard. Half sae and half metric And Not spread out. In a hard plastic folding case that's holds the tools well, and is very portable and still holding up and been use hundreds of times,. I bought about 30 + years ago when craftsman was USA made, it came with 5 wenches, a screw driver bit holder with all the bits you would need, with storage room for more. Vise grips, Allen's, razor knife, wire stripper, connectors,tape,, everything one would need for the salvage yard. About the size of a brief case.. one of the best things I ever owned, they just don't have a solid mostly complete set like that anymore. Now there flimsy incomplete cases with the tools spread out and most made in China.. made lite to keep shipping 🚢 weight down.. now days there are so many to choose from thats sold cheap and made cheap.
I usually try and balance price to performance, I usually never buy top of the line, but somewhere in the upper mid range
These tools are IDENTICAL to the Amazon brand TackLife from a couple years ago. Wrenches look cheaper, maybe other cost cutting measures. The box is a different color. Other than that its Identical.
So this goes into the "Gifts for Dad under $100" bin. Dad wouldn't buy it, but he'd pretend to be happy to have this on Christmas morning.
And it goes to Goodwill by New Years.
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I would've loved to know if you could break the ratchets - if there's an amount of force where the teeth sheer and how that compares to other brands!
I would like to know more about who makes China-sourced tools, and Taiwan, too. I don't think that TTC is going to take an undercover trip to Guangdong province, but it would be interesting to learn if there is a Great Helmsman Wrench Factory that makes all the wrenches labeled Made in China.
Taiwan is much easier, China is quite spread out and the manufacturing base around port cities, Shanghai, Hangzhou, Ningbo, and in the south in Guangzhou is immense and nearly countless. In Taiwan there's like 5 key players, which we'll point out in testing similar things soon
Not too shocked here. Love this channel
Itd be cool to see all the adapters testes!
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Everytimes I want to buy new tools I look for your channel if you already tested it! And as always at the end of the video I'm a 100% sure of my choice
Can you do a test of some of those sockets with all the pins that can grab any shape/size nut/bolt in their range? How much torque are you giving up? Do those exist in an impact rated form?
There's a lot of comments on here about how Amazon has the resources to make a top quality product, but cheaped out instead. How do you think Amazon got all those resources in the first place? By selling nothing but the finest products to the 4 people who can afford them?
Apart from actual tool manufacturers like Snap-On, Stanley, Sidchrome, SP, Kinchrome, etc. all other tools are just rebranded. DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, and all the cheaper brands just find a tool that meets their standard and slaps a brand on it. Some of the better companies will have some tools made for them, but I've had reputable brands of tools and found them to be identical to other brands.
This isn't so mucb a bad thing because brands like DeWalt and Milwaukee focus on their power tools so buying an adjustable spanner and having some Korean company make them an adjustable plier is saving money and making the end product cheaper because the R&D is done for them and customers can show brand loyalty.
In the end, just stick to what that brand does well. I personally like Milwaukee power tools (although their entry level impact is pretty mediocre) and SP or Sidchrome for sockets and the like. Drills and drill bits I've found Sutton to be good (they're owned by Stanley I believe) but I break drill accessories a lot so cheaper price is important to me!
Just removed 3 heavily rusted on and stripped bolts and have to say from my experience having to get 2 bolt extractors with nearly identical packaging, price often means nothing on Amazon specific stuff. It's a race to the bottom for a company to make 10 different brands to repackage AliExpress stuff from a single supplier to get on that best sellers list. Quality control is a serious issue. A scant few good things to be found, but mostly garbage. Lots and lots of garbage. Too much in my opinion. Especially electronics. I would make some changes as it really hurts Amazon's reputation in the long run.
Amazon's basics does have a team of engineers, but the team is quite small and the overwhelming majority of the Amazon basics stuff is just rebranded nonsense. There are almost always better options available for the same or even lower price nowadays.
It's a pretty comprehensive set for the not so serious tool user, e.g., an emergency set for the auto or boat (a set that may never see service but provide an economical set for those 'just in case' times).
Oh, you can find much better kits for those purposes than this, and not spend much, if any, more money.
It's exactly what I would buy for my son-in-law for Christmas.
You don’t use the open end on a combination wrench to apply significant torque. It is the end you you use for speed. To apply torque use a six point socket with a torque wrench. If it just needs to be operationally tight use the boxer end. To break torqued bolts use the box end or again a six point socket. The open end of a combination wrench should never be used to apply significant torque. So this testing is how much improper use and abuse a tool can stand up to.
Thank you. Someone that actually know how to properly use a tool.
There's a reason they say, "You get what you pay for".... $64 for a set of wrenches and sockets says it all. 🤪
Hello again TTC
Thank you for another Great Video. And thank you for warning us about this one. Keep it real and honest!!!!
Can you test the universal impact socket? The price of the Amazon Basic pipe pliers went up and are never available after the TTC review. I know you tested several cordless ratchet. I'd like to see how the Skil and Prostorm ratchet do against the big brand names Thanks.
I’ll stick with HF. basic but reliable, upgrade as they break.
i live in holland would really appresiate if it is possible to test stahlwille, facom and gedore (sorry for my english, can help with wrenshes)
As a GMC truck owner I felt abliged to watch this.
I think some Amazon branded items are a hit. The old rechargeable AA batteries were a huge hit. I have to preface the old ones, the new ones aren't even close to the old batteries. I'd say if it's good buy a second set and keep it. Once they sell enough volume they cheapen the items.
Its because the old ones were rebranded Eneloops. Amazon should've stuck with them. I just buy brand name Eneloops now.
@@jadedandbitter sadly. I went and bought some Duracell rechargeables instead which have been working well for the past year or two.
This is easily the best review on "Amazon". ;)
I will never (intentionally) pay money for an Amazon branded tool.
Let's keep supporting the REAL American tool manufacturers!
Name an American tool manufacturer then (without googling one)
Seems like another case of making sure the price is lower than competition and quality be damned. I'm sure they will sell thousands of them.
Boy, doesn't that define the Amazon experience "sort by price" "positive reviews" "must be good"
@@TorqueTestChannel Having been on the testing end of most of your videos I can give lectures on the "values" given by most brands. There are so many pretenders when it comes to functional tool systems and the motives behind companies making anything that isn't far superior to what exists really bugs the shit out of me.
Building sub-par items (whether its tools, kitchen utensils, or anything for that matter) needs to be a punishable crime.
Based off of the style of the ratchet, I'd say it's manufactured by the same plant as Harborfreights low line Pittsburgh stuff.
If people that are on a budget for tools just wait for sales and often the big tool brands and craftsman tools can be found for cheap. I have bought craftsman set 120 piece at lowes before for $39. Also some of the harbor freight tools can be reasonably priced and will hold up well like the Icon line
Thanks for the tool review on the Denali. I use Snap-On and Craftsmen some new and old. The Denali looks worse than Harbor Freight tools. But then first gen of most things is not successful most of the time. That said cheap is cheap as in Chinese.
What box-end wrench adapter/extension is he using ?
I hope you left an honest Amazon review and it will be interesting to see if they leave it up.
Notice how amazon removed a bunch of their negative reviews for it
The market for these kits aren't for people that are going to be using breaker bars to get that kind of torque. Cost should be more heavily factored in final result. But that's just my 2 cents.
How do you factor cost comparison in a mixed set?
I'd definitely like to see your tests over the "competition." You seem to know what You are doing.
Great job! I enjoyed the testing very much!
Great test guys! I will be in be the minority but not everyone needs Pro quality tools. This set would do for probalby 80% or more of people. There only use will be assembling furniture in a box, tightening a bolt on a bike or mower, etc.
Buy tools that suit your needs.
Exactly. I feel like to many people are ragging on it for not much reason.
People that watch these kind of channels care about their tools, and getting the best, or use them professionally.
For 60 dollars, even if they are a little thin, even if they slip sooner, and are not as hard, it is perfectly fine.
It allows normal, everyday people, to do things they otherwise couldn't.
60 dollars, for access to a plethora of tools is great.
My kit, as a hobbiest, cost me over 100 pounds, so over 120 dollars.
It is better than this kit, obviously, but I rarely find myself using enough force to make even this kit slip, or not do things up properly.
I run lathes, maintain and restore other tools and work as a gardener.
So I do use my kit seems it's fair share of use, more than the average person.
For 60 dollars, or 50 pounds, this seems like a good, all round, everyday normal person, kit.
No complaints from me.
@@autumn5592 Well I am retired now, I no longer need Pro tools. I gave away most of them to my son.
I still have some US made Craftman tools
@@johnmckee7937 I would use some old US made craftsman if I could, not likely to find any in the UK.
We do have our own good tools though.
Most of my tools consist of my grandads old british and west german tools, my fathers old engineering tools, and a few very old British tools from my great aunt and uncle, which they used in WW2.
Some really quality made tools, I would use the old wrenches, but they are in Imperial, and we don't use it over here anymore. And I needed a ratchet, so I had to get a kit.
I just got one of the "professional' kits from a big hardware store, lifetime warranty, and they are well built.
Works good enough for anything I need.
And I do think this kit (in the video) will do good for the average home owner too.
Yes the case matters not just for the rattle of the tools but also for the lousy hinges and the lousy latches and you guys need to test for that sort of stuff particularly the hinges and latches that are doomed to fail on many products
Please test more hex impact adapter, and also test the dcf840, is seems to out perform the 850 while being cheaper
It's only at Lowes and I haven't seen anyone talk about it like they talk about the 850, just curious
Retesting project farms tests could be really interesting!