Vivek Ramaswamy says Americans are Mediocre because of TV?
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Last week X was in shambles when it came to the topic of companies hiring H1B workers over Americans. Is there a shortage of American talent or is this a way to shift the power of tech in America? Elon, Vivek and Trump all had interesting perspectives on this topic.
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Normalcy was a big wakeup call for most people when graduating from HS. THOSE kids woke up that competetion was global instead of local in the 90's and 2000's
When I was 18, skipping college wasn't even an option. Best 4 years of my life. Now I can get ANY job I want.
Ramascammy the guy that used a Pump and Dump schem to get rich.
That's how he got to the top of his party. Those moves made him a superstar in the GOP
ypu attack his way if making millions as if other billionaires are
honest
ypu attack his way if making millions as if other billionaires are
honest
stop his balance bit why are Indians the ceos of the largest companies
Vivek
praises america s lot one criticism snd thid nation wonted to lynch all Indians
bivek was a good tennis
players some of you guys unsble tp tske sny croticidm are
@@arunjetli7909 thats not what was said. just telling the truth about vivek. tell me youre indian without telling me youre indian
People in this video have to take a trip overseas or simply step back and see where they are from..high school in L.A people asked me if London was in Paris, or England was really a country..the level of education is soooooooo low you couldn't imagine. Vivek wasn't talking about brown kids..thats a whole different convo. dignity + pride
i think yall are lying to yourselves....i think you all know that Sports (physical prowess) is considered more valuable in the US than mental prowess....
@@AnonymousAccount514 only in the short term is valuable because it makes rich people money but you will see all the very rich businesspeople are respected much more
honestly, Vivek spoke the truth and that can be painful. Our education system has gone down the drain the past 2 decades. He is american born and has every right to say it.
Vivek is a tether...It's a shame that someone right off the boat or the child of someone off of the boat can delegate the culture and policies of people that have been here for generations and ya'll will really sit there and take the admonishment 😂
Except his justification for h1bs are invalid. For one...we have talent out there and a surplus of it. Second we dont need to work 80 hrs a week. Third if india was so great then why are they still a third world country. Foruth if they are so smart, why do they come here for school. Next, why do they pay them less and dont give them benefits. Finally, why do we have to train them to replace us and why are they taking everyday jobs.....i can keep going but...@franzewell7732
@@RELEVANT2KILL The only color that matters is green. Money doesn't care about your politics. It never stops. It doesn't care about skin color either. The cream always rises to the top. He knows this. If you want it, don't think you're gonna get it just because of where you are born or how loud you complain.
@@RELEVANT2KILL For you to assume that someone born HERE from an immigrant cant speak on american culture is the same line that white supremacists say to all brown people. Be careful what you buy into.
@@RELEVANT2KILL You do realize that this is the same argument that White nationalists have used against people of color born American to delegitimize them right? Obama included. American born citizens of immigrants still have every right to speak about American culture. Be careful not to buy into the narrative.
Funny part is I pursued and completed my engineering degree because of the positive influence of Steve Urkel and seeing that nerds that look like me are cool and smart.
I had no problem with Vivek's post. Please allow me to share 1 important clarification: Vivek NEVER said he supports H1B (You can find plenty of videos of him taking a stance against H1B, including a recent one with Charlie Kirk). If you carefully read his post, he was doing 2 things - 1: explaining WHY many tech companies typically use H1B, and 2: Vivek was advocating for Americans and encouraging us to step up so we can become more competitive to decrease the desire for the H1B. In other words, Vivek wasn't actually advocating for H1B, he was advocating for us, as Americans, to value excellence in our culture more than we currently do. In Vivek's post, he points out a major problem that we have, but he also puts forth solutions while ending his post with an inspiring and hopeful conclusion (which so many pretend isn't a part of his post). Unfortunately, SO many divisive people have blown Vivek's statement far out of context and villanized him, completely misconstruing his message. Vivek has been very vocal for a long time that the H1B program is deeply broken and needs to be dramatically overhauled.
Also, Vivek talked about how America used to be just a few decades ago and Vivek elevated our pursuit of excellence in our American culture. He pointed out that we Americans have given into a culture of mediocrity, but he also said he believes in us to be able to RECOVER our true American culture of excellence (just like Vivek has ALWAYS talked about). This was no different than anyone who criticizes the left for how it has infiltrated American culture with woke ideology. It's not wrong for someone to point out that our American culture has changed over the past few decades because it's true, and it takes a lot of guts and love for Vivek to call it out. In fact, it's no different than Trump saying "Make America Great Again." Should we villainize Trump for saying America has lost our way or praise Trump for being willing to call out our decline and offer hope for our redemption?
If you have a brother who is a 3-time Olympic champion who has become unhealthy and gained a tremendous amount of weight - what Vivek did was like calling out your brother in love, reminding him of the Olympian he used to be, and encouraging him to become that once more. Here's another example: I'm a Christian who takes my faith seriously, yet I criticize the American Christian culture all of the time. I do that because I love Christians and I love America, and I choose to criticize in an honest way, but also in an encouraging way. There is MORE THAN 1 way to be American First. Vivek's way has always been to speak hard truths, encourage, and challenge all Americans to aspire to more courage and excellence instead of victimhood, by adopting a victorious mindset. Some may not like Vivek's method and that's fine, but it's absolutely wrong and foolish to claim he's not American First. Vivek's post was truthful, honest, AND encouraging, but so many people blew it out of proportion and took his message out of context like the left always does to us.
If you take out H1-B the universities go bankrupt. International student 35% more the domestic students. Plus, you need global talent pool to hire the next elon musk as an employee so that he can be CEO by climbing the corporate ladder or by starting his own company later.
@@traymac11 the H1B topic was on X and more of an Elon thing than Vivek. I think this is what jumpstarted the conversation
Also the Christian convo could've been it's own topic lol but I'll leave channels like hardly initiated for topics like that since they are doing a great job over there
Why would he build his businesses in a country he considers full of illiterate people, he’s so intelligent & innovative and now wealthy what’s stopping him from doing what he does in his birth country or the country with the people he deems smart enough.
I’m actually kind of glad Vivek tweeted that, because I found this channel!
@@TapiwaWakatamaVHP ✊🏾✊🏾
As a country we are not graduating enough electrical engineers. Engineering admissions across various institutions have been experiencing a decline, meaning fewer students are choosing to pursue engineering degrees compared to previous years
Shouldn't the goal be for an individual to be athletic and intelligent since humans are capable of both at the same time? The very premise of the argument seems ridiculous
Vivek has some nerve when the last 10+ years woke and gender nonsense has been pushed down from the top onto the population wasting time those kids could have been learning actual skills.
i could be wrong but as someone who grew up on saved by the bell, i dont remember screech being smart, just socially awkward.
As an Indian from India, guys its not about which TV show he talked about its an anecdote. In my culture, parents are helicopter parents which while it has its pros and cons shows its pros in STEM field. Vivek is not wrong when folks are more concerned about Kim Kardashians ass or P Diddy's life than they are about ISRO's PSLV or breakthrough in Large language modeling there is an issue.
Be honest ask yourself what do you do in your free time?
I will tell you what I and most of my peers do, we talk about current affairs and general knowledge, we talk about upcoming technology and advancement - how to learn it and how to make the most of it and capitalise on it.
I don't mean to sound harsh or rude but yes, I have alot of black friends, dated many black girls (lived in UK for 10 years) - ask yourself how many times have your fellow black man or woman pronounced ask as "aks" ? How many times did you or your family or friends criticise or correct them to pronounce ASK and not aks? These are very small things. Speaking proper coherent english is very important. This is not a black vs brown vs white debate - white people also have alot of such anecdotes.
The points is the west tolerates mediocrity - go to any indians house and speak english poorly or even hindi or any other subject - you will be publicly ridiculed or shamed - and corrected - but that holds you to a higher standard. You might think uncles or aunts or grand parents are bullying kids by ridiculing them or making fun of them - but being educated and speaking in a coherent manner is promoted.
You guys in the west (collectively america and Europe) tolerate mediocrity - I have met many black people from africa who are the same as Indians.
Many African parents from Africa are same as Indians and other Asians - they also don't tolerate mediocrity. That is why a lot of inventions from black people are now coming from black people in africa vs black people in the west. Not all but a lot.
If I go to random americans and do a survey 95% will know about what's happening in the entertainment scene who is dating who all the latest gossip but when I ask they about details of latest developments in current affairs of relevance in tech, STEM and other important fields I can guarantee most will not know.
I am NOT trying to ridicule any one - just stating facts that you guys do tolerate mediocrity in your nations.
Your culture isn't the only one who does what you do in your free time. Every subscriber to this channel is watching or listening in their free time. We go to school and study as well (who would have thought). Also if the American culture is so bad why is there a push to come here? Also whether you partake in it or not, entertainment is a billion dollar sector. Bollywood/Hollywood, NFL/Cricket.
@@MrRas1982 They come there because the money is more - simple as that. Remove the money aspect most folks would not. I know others do that as well as I have acknowledged other asian cultures even african culture in Africa does that. Unfortunately, in the west that doesn't happen. Majority American cannot pass grade 10-12 math or science - there are numerous studies to prove that. American People not all but majority can't even point to different countries on a map. The point is the west has systematically dumbed their population down with participation trophies. No offence but that's the reality. Asians are far superior intellectually when it comes to english, math, physics, chemistry, biology, and most STEM fields. This includes majority of asia - India, China, Koreas, Japan, etc. There are more intellectually smarter people in asia per capita than america even on a country by country basis. That's why NOT just india but asian immigrants far out earn both their white and black american counterparts. That's just the factual data, why do you think that is? Can you become successful and smart as an american - Sure, but all I am doing is pointing out the Societal, cultural and other disadvantages you have in your way. When the government hands you money every month, in india there is no more that is given as benefits rather food like certain amount of rice /wheat and pulses are given to poor people below poverty line. We don't have people living on benefits - that is another societal/cultural disadvantage you have more in Europe/Canada but even in USA when government hands over cash ever so often it kills any motivation to work. In india if you don't work, you wont die - you will be given food. But that's about it - so the only way out of poverty is education - same in most other asian countries.
I am merely pointing out societal disadvantages for why its far more difficult for a westerner with so many distractions and disadvantages to compete with us.
Change your mindset and your actions and the outcome will change. Or don't and things will remain status quo.
My opinion is from how things are going - everything will remain status quo.
great take. when excellence is the standard , it's no wonder why success is achieved!!
@@MrRas1982 Tell me honestly, how many american / westerners would willingly give up free time to learn a new skill and implement it on a regular basis. The answer is not a lot. Most of them care more about celebrity gossip or useless stuff that has no implications but talk about that. But they know nothing about real stuff that matters. That my friend whether you like it or not is the harsh truth asians even in their free time spend it doing productive stuff and westerners (majority but I do acknowledge not all but majority) spend it wasting time on useless stuff that adds no value to their life.
Don't take me wrong, I am not dumping on westerners my own extended family is americans - I have debating this forever. We can debate this for hours buddy and I am a reasonable person. I will agree with you where you are right.
But the point is that in most things americans do accept mediocrity and that is a fact backed up with proof.
It wasn't like this for entire human history. You guys at one point were one of the ssmartest but in the last 20-30 years you have declined massively!
For crying out loud, Woke culture, DEI hiring, and debate about LGBTQ and who should use what bathroom is a bigger priority for a huge chunk of america and the west. What do you expect?
Ever notice that in Asia there are only 2 genders and there is no need for such woke BS. We don't tolerate unproductive crap - and I can comfortably say I speak on behalf of most of asia if not all. That's why we don't have weak and mediocre people.
@@Siya-cybersecurity exactly! The west used to be like that, but not anymore.
I feel like both Elon and Vivek was addressing their base. Yes, i understand it's a capitalist agenda, but i also believe they don't view their base (yt people) as intelligent. I also believe they're anti-black but view the hard-right maga as easy to manipulate.
I think Vivek hates America ,
His frustration is shown in his words about Americans.
No one will insult his own citizens anywhere in the world.I think he will throw much more bad for Americans.He should respect everyone’s culture.
New subscriber and very happy to see this conversation going on. Keep talking about it, this is great! But a one thing stood out.
Try not to get bogged down in ancillary details: TV shows have nothing to do with engineering as pointed out, but that TV shows are brought up in the conversation tells us something VERY important about the actual conversation topic This is NOT about skills, education or engineering. If it were, it would only take a cursory look at ANY ONES statistics to show there are so many software engineers in America that companies have managed to lay off nearly half a million over the past 1.5 years. This isn't about H1Bs (80k jobs MAX), this isnt about skills. Its about something else entirely. There are no shortages of anything ...but money and will power.
@@lo9251 exactly
To Destini's point about opportunities, Inidia has a permanent underclass of people that they don't even acknoledge a human. They can't touch your upper-caste people. We are talking about a 600-700 million people who are lower caste and about 200-300 people who are called outcastes. They even question these peoples validity to be born. It's the same issues here. People with power trying to rig the system and claim to be better than you while putting oil on the ground in a race and they have a bag of sand to gain traction.
I agree 💯 with Vivek. You sound so embarrassingly ignorant in your response to Vivek. It is almost like you're pretending to be ignorant and responding like children instead of being mature responsible Tech professionals and understand that all these trying to say is"what you celebrate is what you create". Yall can't be this silly.
@@princemarkied8071 but that's not true...
Everybody doesn't celebrate that
I know alot of hardworking Americans matter of fact the working class isn't lazy or mediocre at all. The systems in the country are mediocre
@@princemarkied8071 also you always have alot to say .that Livestream was for ppl like you we dropped the link so y'all could join
Next time be in the chat lol I don't like long drawn out comments
@TechTualChatter I know! I was like how did I miss this? Lol. I never got the alert homie. I would have loved to join. I find your conversations fascinating. Alarmimg and fascinating.
@@TechTualChatter I am sure you don't like long comments. You don't seem to think deeply about anything tbh.
Like I said I never got the link. Let's set up sometime. It will be slow for me for another week, so I'm available.
@princemarkied8071 the link was in the chat
And I'll let you slide with that comment as well
19:47 - use AI for hiring - focus on generating code (or suggestions) to resolve problems. Remove the names, photos and addresses for this process.
22:07 - when they graduate, Trump said they would get a Green Card (they can work anywhere)
- that was the golden ticket not H1B - (that is attached to a company)
22:02 - hiring cheaper does not mean better. See "Boeing doubles-down on Indian software programmers". They cite Indian programmers as the problem for crashes; however, when the stock prices fell (a lot) it was US taxpayer money that subsidized them as they were "too big to fail".
@@KaseyJefferson-i7y nice call outs
Great podcast subscribe
thanks bro
im still down for you to come on one day
i know we had that little back and forth awhile back
You think an American kid spends his entire day waking up at 5 till midnight only focused on his education? Do American parents have the one and single goal that their child gets the best education?
All of this is cause the US needed to manufacture excessive consumers. From our shows to what they took out of schools and constant ads of all sorts...this is the result... but also they dont want to invest in our future or better access to goo education
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One thing I would say America is spending a ton on education. But it is inefficient?
One more thing, if his party cared about education, they wouldn't be so damn strung out out ending the Dept of Education and programs like Sesame Street.
so glad i found your channel. ive been searching for the last week to see what black ppl in tech have to say on this issue and i havent found much
Lots of Indian CEOs
Puppets of the J*ws
only because of ass-kissing and nepotism
This won't change until kids decide to go back to College. The idea that higher education isn't necessary and student loans are "scary" is to blame. Americans need to look in the mirror and address this culture problem. I went, I did it, I got a great job in IT. I know more can do it too.
Well many follow charlie Kirk, Candace Owen and Matt Walsh. All of whom are College dropouts
@@KemetledAfrica Good luck with that
lol to use saved by the bell… Zach morris was NOT glamorized… show watchers were known for cheering for screech … and we loved urkel also in Cosby show we cheered Theo’s hard work to his graduation from nyu
And just say this not to validate the shows and what not, just saying he made a flawed point and has a flawed understanding of even the content he referenced to make a flawed point
Also Zach scored higher than Screech on the SATs
Vivek has a partially right diagnosis but the wrong solution. While we don’t want a culture of children that are worked so hard that their creativity and childhood are killed, we do want to encourage and push our kids to innovate the future in STEM in a real way. The high school culture he describes is not even a thing anymore also
However, advocating for the replacement of American workers with foreign workers tells me this is not about putting Americans first it’s about getting the cheapest labor possible and this labor is in no way cream of the crop. There are plenty of Americans that are looking for an opportunity with the right credentialed backgrounds. Investing in Americans and paying them their worth is how we improve innovation here in the long run.
He's saying let's make new Americans easily by stealing other countries' best and brightest.
A lot of people in America don’t read some cannot critically think. It’s hard to have a relatable conversation with them because they cannot really comprehend what you are saying. I understand exactly what he is saying while some of you all are finding excuses for the unintelligent who don’t have a knowledge what he is saying. I don’t see kids today walk around with a simple book in their hands, but some kind of device to keep them calm. Time really change and immigrants are coming to do the work the Americans are lazy enough to do rather call it cheap labor.
@@auroramerry5429 there are alot of kids that read whether it be physical or digital books. We know what he is saying but it didn't land well because his points are off he could've used data or metrics vs tv shows. Also Americans work hard yet their salaries can't keep up with inflation. We can also talk about how technical innovations have taken jobs away from Americans as well. The talk is very nuanced and would probably make for a 5 hour stream had we covered every different way he's wrong
Lady, we’re not going to take any advice from a person that fled their failed country that’s literally a floating slum. If Indians and all these other foreigners were so smart, we’d see that same success in their failed home lands. But we don’t. They have to come to America to be successful and eat off the resources that black Americans created.
A lot of people in India, don’t know how to build toilets or pave their roads. So don’t talk to us about intelligence when these people can barely build a functioning country.
He is 100% correct!!
vivek is right...the reason he refers to the 90s is because that is his generation
@@AnonymousAccount514 he's not right though..he carefully chose shows and left out better examples to make a point...
@@TechTualChatter dont focus on his example...focus on his overall point....if he was wrong....China wouldnt be way ahead of us technologically and we wouldnt need to hire Indian engineers to do our jobs...
@@AnonymousAccount514 and we don't have to. They choose to hire them to cut cost...
@@TechTualChatter not true dude...Ive worked in the both the NorCal and SoCal tech industries for the last 25 years and they are paying the Indians here the same money they pay us and they are buying the houses and cars that would go to us, if we were as good as they are.
@AnonymousAccount514 I'm not talking about the people that get paid what they're supposed to get paid
"tech led slave class" well said
I can relate to BeforetheBillions I've had that happen to having to train my replacement at least twice in my career and the second time I told them nope you can let me go if that's the case.
@@gerryo25 that sucks
@TechTualChatter Companies do that to consultants that they don't provide training to but want you to train your replacement that works in the company but doesn't know how to do the job.
Be excellent at education while we get rid of the Department of Education…
Americans don't prioritize education enough and parents don't do enough to push them and aren't active in their kid's education. My people need to do Better!
@@x_null the parents aren’t educated themselves bro.
Vivek did not express this properly.
@@ctjmaughs he forgot about Dexter and Jimmy neutron 😅
Yall sound so embarrassingly stupid thinking that Vivek is talking about TV shows. Do you all not understand symbolism?
No he did it perfectly. When we lose this AI war to China 7 years from now, Vivek will be saying I told you so.
Maximizing profit and cutting down labor costs by all means necessary is the most American thing ever. Or is that too American for your liking ?
It's interesting, As somebody with a Computer Science Degree who is unemployed, I want to be hired. As a Investor, I don't want labor costs to go up on the quarterly report. Many people who talk about this topic are missing this and they are going to be in the dark until they understand that corporations can only invest in a limited number of people.
🤷🏾♂️ You can argue against it....
Until you check the reqding and math scores of US Highschool Students, and conpare them to scores of foreign students. Ive loved overseas. Production and education come first. Personal passion and entertainment come last.
@@drehardin ok
he is saying you need to learn to eitk hard. wow how hard is to indrstsnd what he is saying
you missed the point
How do you not know hes name...Ram Ah SWAM EE. GUYS THE tech gate keeper for H1b1 and you don't know 🤨smh
When it comes to competing in Tech on a global stage, Americans are very, very soft. Vivek and Elon are 100% right
Yep
Vivek iZ using POP Culture references to explain the current culture experience, especially iN terms oF mindset, discipline and talent, which he deemed mediocre, and the MAGA Americans took offense.i don't like Ramaswamy, but where iZ the lie?🤔🧐😐 He iZ ignoring the culture oF creativity, but then he's not talking about black culture.😏
True
I don't even think his comments are worth a conversation. Especially when he says outlandish stuff like this for views, which he's done these last few years.
he spoke the truth though
I am from India and I understand what Vivek wanted to say. All his words were to goad Americans into being more competitive on a global stage. He was speaking against the complacency setting in your society. Its all in your favour and not about belittling you.
😂😂😂 I don’t think he cares about you, so stop wasting your time. I know and have worked with many people from your country and region. When they see money, they often forget everything else, as if money is the oxygen they will lose. I also remember they would envy and trouble even the new workers from their own country that they were supposed to welcome, support, and train. So much so that all the new ones would come to me for training, support, and guidance. The company noticed that I was the only one supporting and welcoming the new ones, so they kept asking me to train them. But the company had a plan to replace all the old workers who demanded better rights and pay, like me, with new cheap workers who say yes to everything as they could lose their visa, job, and stay. The company also replaced me with someone far cheaper. But the difference is, I don’t blame Indian or Asian workers, who are exploited by these big companies and employers who are all about using people, saving a lot of money for themselves, and taking all their rights. But during financial crises, when citizens are financially poor, I can see why they might blame the poor workers, particularly when they see people like this guy, who is rich himself, talking this way while he still enjoys a lot of support from his own community.
@@zainzoala1083 This is the first comment I have made anywhere on this issue hoping that Americans will take the critique positively and this will be the last. This is not my business actually. I was just hoping that Indians wont be harmed in US in the coming days. GoodBye.
@@prashanthb6521 kuch nahi hoga relax. Unhe humari zaroorat hai
I blame DEI. Majority of dei in tech have no skills really they were just hired because of DEI.
@@SubjectMatter100 that's more of affirmative action which benefited white women more than anybody else
Vivek just shows he has no place in the administration
Trump doesn't know what made America Great
Not only has Trump said African Americans built this country he has said They don’t get enough credit for doing so. Trump has also acknowledge the contributions that immigrants have made to this country and want to give out green cards to college grads who gave to America on a student visa. 🤔
Indian are far better than Americans not just in Engineers but also doctors, laws and every department india has a rich culture which effects bright future unlike the USA....So u guys need to think before u say stuff like that...😂😂😂
Very much so not true like at all
@leehart440 look who's speaking English. First try to learn how to speak than we can debate.....😄😆
@@honestjoy8857 an Indian troll go figure lol
@@leehart440 typical western media stereotype and mindset about India. No doubt.
But for some reason most of your country still runs off of a caste system and you are unable to modernize your cities and towns. A large amount of your population has to resort to scam-based businesses just to put food on the table. Why would that be the case if you have such a rich culture and your education system is allegedly superior to ours?