It’s pretty awesome but what you learn to pass your NREMT and what we actually use in the field is sometimes pretty different not to mention depending on your area some of the skills you learn aren’t in your scope as an EMT-B and if you use them as a private citizen you open yourself up to lawsuits. (Possibly in extreme cases)
@@anthonyb5282 Thing are different in the field sure. But bleeding control, CPR, and airway management to name a few are all basics that don’t really change. As far as the scope of practice you definitely have to be careful with that.
@@derxgarage2121 yea the things I’m talking about are people who have ARS needles for tension pneumothorax decompressions when they don’t even know the signs for it. I agree yea the basics don’t really change unless you have a crazy bad patient then things can.
@@anthonyb5282 yeah I don't understand why people carry them if they weren't trained for it. My SoP excluded anything sharp so I don't carry anything aside from my shears obviously. Plus my cert has lapsed so I probably won't immediately start doing anything unless I personally know the person. I've since renewed my first aid cpr card so thats good to go but everything outside that I kind of forget what I can and can't do, so call 911 first and let them "guide" me through it.
@@rockstar212121 yep, I don’t do anything even on the job that I’m not 100% certain about. Medics ask me to do something and I’ve never done it I’m not gonna just try.
The Sig Sauer class is often (maybe only) taught by Kerry over at Dark Angel Medical. I would recommend going to him directly over Sig Sauer. Support a small business who's trying every day to save lives.
I took the CMP Trauma Class last year (I believe Shawn and Skinnymedic have separate classes but they came together to teach a special/one off class) Shawn goes into more detail than just medical procedures, like physiology of blood loss, mentality of active shooters, and both of them are able to answer every question about what they are teaching. My community college also offers an EMR course, and as was described to me as, "Covers everything about the EMT course just in less detail" so you can check there too.
I've had to re-cert my Wilderness First Responder (WFR) every two years since the early 90's. The re-cert is typically the same weekend long Wilderness First Aid (WFA) with an added written test. Instructor makes a HUGE difference. And in fact, the same instructor can present a completely different experience based on the class itself. The location of the course can also greatly impact the experience. Had one class in a building with a paved parking lot. The scenarios were far less realistic, but the instructor did one where I was the victim and his instructions were "you are mentally unstable and think something is in your head and it hurts, but don't ever say there is something in your head." There were quite a few people being recertified and it was amusing to watch them be completely helpless. And that was the point - sometimes, there is no physical problem, but the mental ones can be just as debilitating. I've been faced with a scenario where I came across a hunting camp with 12 victims of a large propane explosion and there were 3 of us to treat it. Go. (this one was carried out on the front, snow covered lawn of the Public Safety building and it started when the instructor set off a cannon to get our attention) I had one instructor that ensured that anyone that left to get help would face a serious accident and be unable to continue. All these things were designed to put more stress on an already difficult situation. In the real world, I've had a couple bleeders and sprained ankles. Most of my "medic" work has been minor cuts and stuff like headaches or motion sickness. The most complex was improvising a litter to carry a badly sprained ankle off Mt. Lafayette in New Hampshire's White Mountains. I used to carry the "everything under the sun" kits, but in the last 8 years or so, has been a quest to construct kits that meet the conditions. The kit I take to scouts is different than the one I have at a town youth sports game. The true wilderness kit uses a lot of compressed gauze to reduce size, but also morphs to the occasion with different loads for trips to BSA SeaBase or BSA Philmont Ranch. Even my personal kit gets overhauled before most trips to cater to the more likely needs. I've had NOLS, SOLO, Red Cross (yes, there is a Red Cross WFA class, it's just not advertised as well and there are far fewer instructors) and a couple others used over the years. I tried to stick with the same company, but discovered I actually learned more by trying new organizations and instructors. My most critical need is that it meets my re-cert requirement. I think the fun is to see what is added or removed each time. For example, leg traction splints were a WFR thing only for years. About 5 years ago, it started to show up in the WFA courses. Techniques like using safety pins to control the tongue are no longer taught and in some courses actively frowned upon. It was interesting to see some classes touch on Pneumothorax, but never really provide a solution. Others talked about using a needle if you had to. None actually had you try it. Maybe the WFR level does these days? Make the effort to get recommendations for instructors and try to get the class held in a location appropriate for it. In other words, if you want wilderness training, find one that is set near woods.
Just took TECC from SOARescue in concord nc. Wonderful class I highly recommend it. We had civilian, current law enforcement, prior law enforcement, current and prior medic personnel. Everyone learned something new.
@@jackchung1010 nice what day are you on? Was wondering if you learn how to deal with tension Pneumothorax with the decomposition needle? Ik u learn alot of pretty in depth stuff just it's a wilderness setting
@Lone_ Scout I actually have a few questions. So if I were to take the NOLS Wilderness EMT and upon completion would and pass of the NRemt would I be an actual EMT like a licensed EMT ?
I've been following you now for a year. As a university employee, I've always wondered what your recommendations are for us who will never be a paramedic. Thank you for this.
I work in Emergency Management for a university and we teach these things on our campus. Look into what your campus EM office or campus police/security offer. Normally it is free for those associated to the school.
This is absolutely amazing. The work that was put into this list is fantastic and I know I will be taking several of these courses bow that I know they exist. I am currently adult child infant first aid CPR and aed certified but that seems like just an intro to these classes. My knowledge needs to expand on this knowledge and looking forward to the courses. Thank you for posting this with the links
Still keep a valid WFR as a medic. It’s just a different way of thinking that makes you more well rounded. Highly recommend Cliff Stockton with Solo. -CO and MO EMT-P, FP-C, CCP-C
I took NOLS WFR at Yosemite. 10 days and worth every dollar! (I recommend going to Yosemite or Moab if possible.) I took EMT-B at UCLA. Hard but they have best pass rate for National Cert. I took TEMS at Front Sight, NV. No longer avail. Had a lot of hands-on and operating during an incident. (check large training places) I took Rescue Diver w/ PADI. This was the easiest of the bunch but, obviously, covers the water issues that all the others don't. I have done 4 serious Life Saves following this training. Two on Dives and two in road crashes that I came upon. If you can only do one, do the EMT. If that is to long or difficult at the moment, do the WFR.
I've done the Red Cross one. I have little knowledge, aside from basic understanding of what to do. As you said, it didn't seem scripted, and (thankfully) my instructor was pretty good. I would have done Stop the Bleed but the nearest course by me was like 3 hours away.
For those on the west coast, check out Thomas Coyne, founder of Coyne Survival Schools, for Wilderness First Aid training and a host of other medical, survival, navigation, and tactical courses. He has trained 5 branches of the military as well.
NOLS WFR 10 day course is one of the best in the industry. Instructors are squared away, diverse in their skillset and the course is setup in a super effective and exciting way. Scenarios there are top tier.
Can you do a video on getting into the educational side of EMS? I want to get into being an instructor for teaching lay persons general first aid, and already took the first step and became a Stop The Bleed instructor. I'd love to teach a course that also goes more in depth into the physiology of traumatic and medical emergencies (things like teaching that burn victims need to be kept warm since that can seem especially counter-intuitive to the lay person). Especially in my area, which is very rural, bystanders have to be the true first responders since EMS is usually 20+ minutes out. What are some things that you recommend prospective instructors do to prepare for teaching courses?
What would you recommend for continuing education for medical professionals? Also, Triard medical does a cool class where you get to practice Needle D, chest Tubes, intubation and Cricothyrotomy on cadavers.
This is great sharing. Being responsible gun owner. This skills and learning should also be considered. To protect and save life as well.. Thank you and always keep safe!.
I just had Finish my EMT-B And Wilderness First Aid and Firefighting classes and i Need To Re Educate myself since i am currently working as a Call Center i mean Having a Knowledge of First aid or medical emergencies is very useful because we may never know our co workers, friends and family might need help we are ready to help
In my experience the best CPR and First-Aid training I had was taught by the local fire department by paramedics and the worst training was provided by the American Red Cross. The Red Cross people had zero hand on experience and were simply teaching from books and many of us in the class had more experience.
This is a very informative video. Please don’t discount programs from medic first aid/health safety institute either. Their AED course was the most user-friendly and thorough one that I had ever seen for the lay rescuer and the program was created by paramedics. They would go into wet and metal surface usage of the AED which I have not heard other programs even talk address.. That’s just one prime example of how thorough their program was.Also the students were given AED troubleshooting instruction. Thanks again for this outstanding video… Keep them coming!
Tampons: last. Last. LAST. resort. These are designed to allow bleeding to happen, not to inhibit bleeding.🤦🏻♀️ In case there is a man out there who still doesn't understand.
Hi Sam, thank for the video. I know as a first aid trained person I should not give medicine to anyone but do you know any training that teach us what kind of over the counter medicine to take for different symptoms?
Awesome video! Thank you for all of the info. How would you suggest which course to decide to take; the Heartsaver First Aid CPR AED or the Heartsaver Pediatric First Aid CPR AED course?
I believe the pediatric one teaches both CPR for infants and adults so that class is more of a 2 for 1, making it the better option and more cost efficient.
Can you do a video about expired items? I know it is unsafe to use them casualties but I do not exactly know why. For instance ETBs, gauze pads, NPAs and NCDs. I don’t see why these items would expire.
So as an NREMT-P do these courses offer CE's? Thanks for the video and will definitely be looking into these for sure. Have already passed the video to a friend of mine who recognizes the need for medical know how while conceal carrying.
Complete layperson so take this with a grain of salt: you might check if there's someone near you offering NOLS' 'Wilderness Upgrade for Medical Professionals.' They can actually assume a basis of knowledge vs. the more traditional Wilderness First Aid / Wilderness First Responder classes that build folks up from scratch. It also gets you 48 continuing education hours if your state EMS organization accepts CAPCE CEUs.
Is it just me or there really isn't a way to sign up for BCON (#5) or the Civilian Medical course (#4)? I really cannot find a schedule or when to take these classes and how to sign up for them anywhere in the links provided.
It’s not a civilian oriented class. Unless narcotics, advanced airways, blood products team dynamics and casevac are things you care about, TECC doesn’t really teach what you are looking for as a non professional rescuer.
Getting certed as a EMT-B is the best thing I’ve done. Even if you don’t use it the knowledge is for ever.
It’s pretty awesome but what you learn to pass your NREMT and what we actually use in the field is sometimes pretty different not to mention depending on your area some of the skills you learn aren’t in your scope as an EMT-B and if you use them as a private citizen you open yourself up to lawsuits. (Possibly in extreme cases)
@@anthonyb5282 Thing are different in the field sure. But bleeding control, CPR, and airway management to name a few are all basics that don’t really change. As far as the scope of practice you definitely have to be careful with that.
@@derxgarage2121 yea the things I’m talking about are people who have ARS needles for tension pneumothorax decompressions when they don’t even know the signs for it. I agree yea the basics don’t really change unless you have a crazy bad patient then things can.
@@anthonyb5282 yeah I don't understand why people carry them if they weren't trained for it. My SoP excluded anything sharp so I don't carry anything aside from my shears obviously. Plus my cert has lapsed so I probably won't immediately start doing anything unless I personally know the person. I've since renewed my first aid cpr card so thats good to go but everything outside that I kind of forget what I can and can't do, so call 911 first and let them "guide" me through it.
@@rockstar212121 yep, I don’t do anything even on the job that I’m not 100% certain about. Medics ask me to do something and I’ve never done it I’m not gonna just try.
The Sig Sauer class is often (maybe only) taught by Kerry over at Dark Angel Medical. I would recommend going to him directly over Sig Sauer. Support a small business who's trying every day to save lives.
I took the CMP Trauma Class last year (I believe Shawn and Skinnymedic have separate classes but they came together to teach a special/one off class) Shawn goes into more detail than just medical procedures, like physiology of blood loss, mentality of active shooters, and both of them are able to answer every question about what they are teaching.
My community college also offers an EMR course, and as was described to me as, "Covers everything about the EMT course just in less detail" so you can check there too.
Thanks for taking the class!
I've had to re-cert my Wilderness First Responder (WFR) every two years since the early 90's. The re-cert is typically the same weekend long Wilderness First Aid (WFA) with an added written test.
Instructor makes a HUGE difference. And in fact, the same instructor can present a completely different experience based on the class itself. The location of the course can also greatly impact the experience. Had one class in a building with a paved parking lot. The scenarios were far less realistic, but the instructor did one where I was the victim and his instructions were "you are mentally unstable and think something is in your head and it hurts, but don't ever say there is something in your head." There were quite a few people being recertified and it was amusing to watch them be completely helpless. And that was the point - sometimes, there is no physical problem, but the mental ones can be just as debilitating. I've been faced with a scenario where I came across a hunting camp with 12 victims of a large propane explosion and there were 3 of us to treat it. Go. (this one was carried out on the front, snow covered lawn of the Public Safety building and it started when the instructor set off a cannon to get our attention) I had one instructor that ensured that anyone that left to get help would face a serious accident and be unable to continue. All these things were designed to put more stress on an already difficult situation.
In the real world, I've had a couple bleeders and sprained ankles. Most of my "medic" work has been minor cuts and stuff like headaches or motion sickness. The most complex was improvising a litter to carry a badly sprained ankle off Mt. Lafayette in New Hampshire's White Mountains. I used to carry the "everything under the sun" kits, but in the last 8 years or so, has been a quest to construct kits that meet the conditions. The kit I take to scouts is different than the one I have at a town youth sports game. The true wilderness kit uses a lot of compressed gauze to reduce size, but also morphs to the occasion with different loads for trips to BSA SeaBase or BSA Philmont Ranch. Even my personal kit gets overhauled before most trips to cater to the more likely needs.
I've had NOLS, SOLO, Red Cross (yes, there is a Red Cross WFA class, it's just not advertised as well and there are far fewer instructors) and a couple others used over the years. I tried to stick with the same company, but discovered I actually learned more by trying new organizations and instructors. My most critical need is that it meets my re-cert requirement.
I think the fun is to see what is added or removed each time. For example, leg traction splints were a WFR thing only for years. About 5 years ago, it started to show up in the WFA courses. Techniques like using safety pins to control the tongue are no longer taught and in some courses actively frowned upon. It was interesting to see some classes touch on Pneumothorax, but never really provide a solution. Others talked about using a needle if you had to. None actually had you try it. Maybe the WFR level does these days?
Make the effort to get recommendations for instructors and try to get the class held in a location appropriate for it. In other words, if you want wilderness training, find one that is set near woods.
Just took TECC from SOARescue in concord nc. Wonderful class I highly recommend it. We had civilian, current law enforcement, prior law enforcement, current and prior medic personnel. Everyone learned something new.
Similar experience - very worthwhile. DEFEND Systems in Nashville TN. 2 day class.
The NOLS Wilderness first responder is a good course it's a 9-10 day wilderness medical course it goes in pretty good depth too
I’m currently taking this course and it’s been amazing so far.
@@jackchung1010 nice what day are you on? Was wondering if you learn how to deal with tension Pneumothorax with the decomposition needle? Ik u learn alot of pretty in depth stuff just it's a wilderness setting
I did my WFR through NOLS a couple years ago and I learned so much. It definitely tightened up my patient assessment net.
@@angelo_higherpurposetraining good to know I'll be taking it in a few months pretty excited
@Lone_ Scout I actually have a few questions. So if I were to take the NOLS Wilderness EMT and upon completion would and pass of the NRemt would I be an actual EMT like a licensed EMT ?
I've been following you now for a year. As a university employee, I've always wondered what your recommendations are for us who will never be a paramedic. Thank you for this.
I work in Emergency Management for a university and we teach these things on our campus. Look into what your campus EM office or campus police/security offer. Normally it is free for those associated to the school.
Refuge Training Responder 1-3
Taught me tons.
Great video!
Are you still offering STB courses ???
@@e4mafia578 No we lost our place to host it do to Covid.
This is absolutely amazing. The work that was put into this list is fantastic and I know I will be taking several of these courses bow that I know they exist. I am currently adult child infant first aid CPR and aed certified but that seems like just an intro to these classes. My knowledge needs to expand on this knowledge and looking forward to the courses. Thank you for posting this with the links
Still keep a valid WFR as a medic. It’s just a different way of thinking that makes you more well rounded. Highly recommend Cliff Stockton with Solo. -CO and MO EMT-P, FP-C, CCP-C
I took NOLS WFR at Yosemite. 10 days and worth every dollar! (I recommend going to Yosemite or Moab if possible.)
I took EMT-B at UCLA. Hard but they have best pass rate for National Cert.
I took TEMS at Front Sight, NV. No longer avail. Had a lot of hands-on and operating during an incident. (check large training places)
I took Rescue Diver w/ PADI. This was the easiest of the bunch but, obviously, covers the water issues that all the others don't.
I have done 4 serious Life Saves following this training. Two on Dives and two in road crashes that I came upon. If you can only do one, do the EMT. If that is to long or difficult at the moment, do the WFR.
I've done the Red Cross one. I have little knowledge, aside from basic understanding of what to do. As you said, it didn't seem scripted, and (thankfully) my instructor was pretty good. I would have done Stop the Bleed but the nearest course by me was like 3 hours away.
For those on the west coast, check out Thomas Coyne, founder of Coyne Survival Schools, for Wilderness First Aid training and a host of other medical, survival, navigation, and tactical courses. He has trained 5 branches of the military as well.
Thanks for the shout out!
NOLS WFR 10 day course is one of the best in the industry. Instructors are squared away, diverse in their skillset and the course is setup in a super effective and exciting way. Scenarios there are top tier.
I just got a full paid scholarship in becoming a EMT. Thank God I think Learning these skills are necessary now.
This is a great video and guidance i'll be following in addition to my stop the bleed and cpr course.
Taking a 3 month WEMT course next year, even though I am already an EMT, I can’t wait
Protip: American Red Cross trains its volunteers for free.
Most ARC chapters meet monthly and highly value all its volunteers.
Awesome video. I took a 4 day wilderness First aid . As Part of my EMT Basic class about 18 years ago in southern Oregon.
Can you do a video on getting into the educational side of EMS? I want to get into being an instructor for teaching lay persons general first aid, and already took the first step and became a Stop The Bleed instructor. I'd love to teach a course that also goes more in depth into the physiology of traumatic and medical emergencies (things like teaching that burn victims need to be kept warm since that can seem especially counter-intuitive to the lay person). Especially in my area, which is very rural, bystanders have to be the true first responders since EMS is usually 20+ minutes out.
What are some things that you recommend prospective instructors do to prepare for teaching courses?
“Stress inoculated”…. The best way to put why me (veteran) and my wife (not) communicate different. We both help humans in time of need
What would you recommend for continuing education for medical professionals?
Also, Triard medical does a cool class where you get to practice Needle D, chest Tubes, intubation and Cricothyrotomy on cadavers.
Completed TECC course in Nashville TN via DEFEND Systems. Highly recommended.
petition for sam to do youtube shorts for those subjects to short to do a full video on.That way we have stuff to watch between videos
This is great sharing.
Being responsible gun owner. This skills and learning should also be considered. To protect and save life as well.. Thank you and always keep safe!.
Thank you for providing such practical and evidence-based information on your channel.
Thank you for your support brother! It means a lot!
Great information Sam, thanks loads. :)
@PrepMedic NAR is actually in Greenville Sc.
I just had Finish my EMT-B And Wilderness First Aid and Firefighting classes and i Need To Re Educate myself since i am currently working as a Call Center i mean Having a Knowledge of First aid or medical emergencies is very useful because we may never know our co workers, friends and family might need help we are ready to help
Starting to get serious about MTB with my friend, and I'm trying to get us to take a class just in case smth happens, we'll be able to handle it
Wish we had something similar in the UK
In my experience the best CPR and First-Aid training I had was taught by the local fire department by paramedics and the worst training was provided by the American Red Cross. The Red Cross people had zero hand on experience and were simply teaching from books and many of us in the class had more experience.
Great video sir! Just the information I was looking for. Thank you.
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Great video (as usual). Just FYI, NAR headquarters are actually in SC (Greer, SC) but it’s in the upstate, which is not far from NC & GA too.
Thanks man! I mixed up!
Very informative! Will definitely check some of these out
I was so happy to see this video thanks Sam
This is a very informative video. Please don’t discount programs from medic first aid/health safety institute either. Their AED course was the most user-friendly and thorough one that I had ever seen for the lay rescuer and the program was created by paramedics. They would go into wet and metal surface usage of the AED which I have not heard other programs even talk address.. That’s just one prime example of how thorough their program was.Also the students were given AED troubleshooting instruction. Thanks again for this outstanding video… Keep them coming!
Thanks Prep Medic!
The best class would be red cross emr and the wilderness first aid courses.
Very useful, many thanks.
What's your opinion on taking a pre-hospital trauma care class?
Thanks for the great info❗
1:36 man, I think I’m past marginally illiterate at this point. I have to watch this.
Thank you for a very informative video.
Tampons: last. Last. LAST. resort. These are designed to allow bleeding to happen, not to inhibit bleeding.🤦🏻♀️ In case there is a man out there who still doesn't understand.
They’re fine for nose bleeds though! 👍
Thanks.
Hi Sam, thank for the video. I know as a first aid trained person I should not give medicine to anyone but do you know any training that teach us what kind of over the counter medicine to take for different symptoms?
you look like a guy that was fed up with his job and just went in the woods its a good thing I think
FYI NAR east coast in SC not NC
NOLS excellent.
Nice!
It sucks that nols only accepts you if are vacced
Great Vid
Immediate Action Medical at Tactical Response
Awesome video! Thank you for all of the info. How would you suggest which course to decide to take; the Heartsaver First Aid CPR AED or the Heartsaver Pediatric First Aid CPR AED course?
I believe the pediatric one teaches both CPR for infants and adults so that class is more of a 2 for 1, making it the better option and more cost efficient.
Can you do a video about expired items? I know it is unsafe to use them casualties but I do not exactly know why. For instance ETBs, gauze pads, NPAs and NCDs. I don’t see why these items would expire.
So as an NREMT-P do these courses offer CE's? Thanks for the video and will definitely be looking into these for sure. Have already passed the video to a friend of mine who recognizes the need for medical know how while conceal carrying.
I'm currently an EMT, but would like to take a wilderness course. What would be a good wilderness course for a medical professional?
Complete layperson so take this with a grain of salt: you might check if there's someone near you offering NOLS' 'Wilderness Upgrade for Medical Professionals.' They can actually assume a basis of knowledge vs. the more traditional Wilderness First Aid / Wilderness First Responder classes that build folks up from scratch. It also gets you 48 continuing education hours if your state EMS organization accepts CAPCE CEUs.
Dang none of these besides first aid/cpr/aed are availble in my area.
Any content in the future that may be echoing at the "guerilla Medical Provider" concept by Europeanmedics?
so I just moved to COLORADO SPRINGS from California and work in Security which one of these classes should I take for a First Responder while on duty?
What course do you think would best suited Law Enforcement and avid CCW individual?
this is the covid time how the fk that we could go to the medical class
pretty simple, I've had classes the whole time
NOLSWFR and WEMT coursesalso.
Is it just me or there really isn't a way to sign up for BCON (#5) or the Civilian Medical course (#4)? I really cannot find a schedule or when to take these classes and how to sign up for them anywhere in the links provided.
What about tecc by naemt?
It’s not a civilian oriented class. Unless narcotics, advanced airways, blood products team dynamics and casevac are things you care about, TECC doesn’t really teach what you are looking for as a non professional rescuer.
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Tried to look up Civilian Medical Class... Can't seem to find a schedule. Anyone have a link?
welikeshooting.com/medical - nothing scheduled right now, I've been traveling. What part of the country are you in?
@@WeLikeShooting Colorado.
@@mclyker this is my class in Sept. www.ktgfirearms.com/event/civilian-medical-1-tccc-course-4/?instance_id=5105
@@WeLikeShooting Thank you. Just signed up.
@@mclyker look forward to it man
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Thanks for the video!