I had the IMMENSE pleasure of attending this lecture in person. What a thrill it is to see it here as part of a collaboration with some of my favorite channels!! Thank you John for your incredible heart and dedication to the good. May your words find fertile soil all over the world.
To anyone reading this, I've done John's course on Awakening from the meaning crisis, and I cannot reccomend it enough. No matter who you are, you will benefit from the course. I encourage you to enrich your life ❤️
I’ve come to have major problems with his project, yet it is still an amazing course that everyone should watch. It is also an inevitable project and I am glad he is the one doing it and that people like him, McgilChrist, Christopher, and Peterson are talking with Pageau and others along with the forthcoming conversation(s?)John is going to be having with an Orthodox bishop on this issue of Neoplatonism. There are far worse people involved in these models with worse goals and models which we will see at net with the whole game B to Ken Wilbur spirit of the times, the way that will trickle down and the feedback loop with everything wrong on the right at net.
My first year college philosophy professor said if I believed in spirits or spiritual realities that indicated mental illness and he'd recommend being put in a mental institute. The other philosophy professors at college agreed with him so I stopped going to class, just took the tests, and started going to the gym instead. It was heartbreaking. So...nice to know there's folks like you out there...great video!!! Happy New Year.
I dream of Academy that teach meaningful philosophy, art, science and also takes care of physicality through deep martial arts and calisthenics practice. Calisthenics can also mean yoga. I value weightlifting as well but I think it will be more proper to start the education with bodyweight, develop all the parts properly and then move to weights. We could use it as metaphor with philosophy. Moving to the most abstracted and removed from human experience philosophies only after one is developed in communal philosophical practices and knows the basics.
@@filipo7703 agreed! I avoided weight lifting entirely til after I'd been practicing yoga for 11 years, personally. And the Academy is changing,,,these chats are proof of that.
Academic philosophy in North America has three problems 1) Physics envy; 2) Hubris; 3) Adversarialness. They combine to generate experiences like yours. I'm sorry you had to experience it so viscerally.
@@MattHabermehl cheers but I handled it fine. It just mean i only took tests as I found it hard to respect profs after that. Eventually i moved on to a grad studies and phd department that were better fits. Plus learning to lift weights was way more of a boon to my life than studying philosophy with professors who dislike Wisdom. :P
Thank you John for this exquisite lecture. You not only talk but show and exemplify the way. It's a delight and a pleasure to be working alongside you. Your student and friend, Zevi
John, you outrageous f***ing Magus! A thousand rattles and shamanic chants in your honor. Thank you for keeping the roads to the Sacred Fire open. Philosophy. Art. Science. The Sacred Triumvirate.
Brilliant and revelatory. Vervaeke is one of the great minds of our time but equally important, one of the great hearts. Thank you, Professor for walking the talk and having your life be for the possibility of humanity cultivating Wisdom.
That was the most profound lecture I've ever experienced. Thanks, John. My hope for humanity is that more of us will start to question the current collective psychological paradigm and gravitate to holy and generative perspectives and metaperspectives like these and feel a call to 'participate' in a more meaningful way
Can’t describe how happy I am that you collaborated with this group. For those of us who are not new to these ideas it’s so great to have this perspective presented. Thanks!
Possibly the most important video I've watched this year, which is saying something because it is now December 31st. I'm going to have to go back and take notes!
John, I've been following you for the past two years and I can safely say that you, along with Iain McGilchrist, are the most important thinker of this day and age. No matter how much I listen to you, every single discussion or lecture proves to be informative, novel and thought-provoking. You are truly one of the most insightful human beings I've ever come across. Thank you very much for your work, it's really mind-blowing ❤❤
This is SOOO good. I decided to watch in 3 separate sittings. There's too much here for me to take in all at one time. I'm so grateful that you made this video to share your knowledge and insight with others like me. Thank you, John.
For me, this was a wonderful refresher and sprucing up of some major themes of your work, as I don't have the greatest memory. I also really appreciated the questions. Feeling the Beauty!
I really liked the 'differentiating opening up' 'integrating narrowing into one' part. I thought it was a tiny homunculus inside me getting excited, but it must have been the tau erotica. :) It did feel spruced up and refreshed as well, like more suchness and such moreness. :) Happy New Year, Rachel! Looking forward to '23 with you and everyone else!
Absolutely loving how all of this has been unfolding over the past few years and very excited to see all participants coming together to expound upon and expand unto both a re-understanding of dialogos and how to effectively re-implement this into practice.
From The One, The Many. From The Many, to The One. It reminds me of breathing. Cyclical, closed, perpetual. This is a profoundly enlightening lecture. Simultaneously satisfying my desire for deep thoughts/revelations while increasing my appetite for reaching even greater depths of awareness in Self and of Others. Thank you and to all who helped make this content available for us all. Such a blessed time we live in, despite how chaotic it may be.
The concept of ascent and return is so fascinating to me right now. I feel like it explains the feeling of two steps forward and one step back when trying to work through trauma recovery.
Beautiful lecture! Densely packed and informative. Put together a lot of things for me. I finally realized the distinction between Kantian view and the neo-platonic view.
Wow. An epic 3 hour journey. The Q&A is not to be missed. Your transmission of the memory system was profound. I was transported into participatory self knowledge: The knot in my stomach felt seen and unwound.
This was such a great clear summary of neoplatonism, so much clearer than the AFTMC piece, although I am sure it helped to have the background provided there. Thank you John 🙏
So So SO excited to see you working in the overlap of 4E Cog Sci and Esotericism!!! I feel like its really fertile ground for amazing scholarly collaborations like this!
This might be a blasphemy but it seems like this was a summary of the awakening from the meaning crysis series. I find it absolutely astonishing how you managed to introduce and talk about so many monstrous (complex) concepts and still kept it coherent while also introducing the concepts in an easy to digest way. This was a hell of a ride. Thank you for this and thank you for everything John ♥️ I found it (and you) strikingly beautiful ♥️
Despite having seen the meaning crisis series, it's nice to see such a great summary after a while, to keep my internal John Vervaeke and his way of viewing the world alive.
Yes, a big thank you to John and to Ranston for making this a public lecture. I have been watching his 50 Video's .(I'm on 6 or 7) . it only took me 3 to 4 years to get bored with Dr. Petersons.."wink". I didn't know about John till Lex Freedman .. Another Toronto professor? . I thought to myself at first. ..Well makes sense to find both of such at Ranston now. Good Luck
John, this is wonderful. I'm feeling the dialogos between this video, my schema and my journal. Such a cool rich flow you got me in. You have 'one' me over! All this and I'm only 1/3 through.
Perception is a controlled illusion/hallucination. True enough to be useful or valuable. Truth, in context, is combinatorially explosive. The mind creates the meaning it is able to process.
@@RickDelmonico he has a fantastic book on consciousness called Being You. He's a big proponent of "perception as controlled hallucination", big recommend!
There are truths that are only disclosed after profound transformation. I would add one thing: the first of these disclosed truths must be: humility. I believe that my beliefs and many or all of the infinite implications may be wrong. I remember crossing this membrane and trying to hang onto both perspectives so that I could build a bridge between worlds or epistemes (in the Foucault sense). The greater degrees are not available until you acknowledge the fundamental errors in the previous phase of "you." Also, an important caveat: you will forget for a time. Then, you will remember but differently. This causes dissonance and alienation which carries a not insignificant risk.
The emanation of a thing from something else: When does a thing gain identity if it is an emanation? When does a process gain expression if it is emerging from a collective principle of organization? There is a fractal quality to transcendence. The macro world emanating out of the micro world.
Perhaps the quantum is the string on which beads of 6 to 8 second attention spans can circle within themselves, and this is related to probability clouds of changing, flowing matter by describing and comparing two forms of action. One that I speculate is QCD expansion and contraction, the other described by Feynmann diagrams of short segments joining "objects". If the quantum interaction in the brain is allowed by a microtubule, that interface would have awareness lining the wall of that conduit observing the flow within, and possibly interacting by assigning vector pennants in that probability cloud. This could be seen as a person (6 seconds of persons) inside one of those street festival Dragons, manipulating the form by interaction, also following the street as undulating dragon, and on the side of the street looking on as a child.
John is an intellectual shaman. A great communicator and spokesperson for our shared need to come back into community with each other in a profound way. We've forgotten fellowship. Thank you for deeply reminding us. I hope you continue in your path and wish you the best. Thanks again for everything you're doing 🙏🏼
1:59:07 wow here it is! I think this is The piece needed when discussing the meaning crisis with JBP, VanderKlay and Pageau. Meaning isn’t just about purpose but ‘fittedness’ also
Great to hear this lecture... Liked to hear about the hermeneutics of suspicion and how 'negativity' (in its broadest sense, including scepticism, scholasticism, even art ) is parasitic on the positive
one area i think John's understanding of Plato could be deepened is actually in a neoplatonic direction in a way... The three level theory of mind is Plato's thumbnail sketch of his deeper theory ... he understood many more levels of the human (as most serious theories do, e.g. yoga, Piaget, Maslov) - the skeleton sketch of this deeper theory is in the nine deductions (different levels of approach to any question) in the second half of the Parmenides. The Neo-platonist knew this but the works that expound it are lost.
Please, John, leave the title at "Neo-platanism". We all love it. The ancients knew how to amuse themselves. Wisdom also knows how to have fun at the expense of intellect.
This idea of psychontological "levels" which are more or less "in conformity with reality" is lovely. Neoplatonism was fully imported into Sufi cosmology. God in Sufism is referred to as "the Real" , what is, and ultimately demands surrender of all illusion, resistance (in contrast to Responsivity/ fittedness/ adab) and self-delusion. Deepening contact with this phenomenological unfolding is the telos. No more grasping for identity. Descent, ascent... Is there a non-vertical metaphor for dropping fully into this spatiotemporal moment? Fully "inhabiting" the eternal now? Abiding? Moving in and out of ontological "presence"? "The depths of the world" ❤ In Sufism the human being is the threshold between the manifest and the unmanifest. And the threshold is in the heart. The job of the intellect ('aql) is both instrumental and a ray of awareness to witness the turning of the heart (qalb, from same triconsonantal root as "turn"). To orient towards the Real, to turn towards truth, goodness. Accounting. Monitoring. Witnessing the heart's intention. The Real is every atom presented to the self, inviting ongoing re-alignment, response, fittedness. 3R, in other words. But not just logos. Pathos. Ethos. The soul moves through wonderfully described levels from being enslaved, to at war with itself, to at ease, through many more, towards ultimate self-knowledge, which is ego-annihilation.
I had a breakdown in my first semester of college and managed to get onto this process of positive feedback clarity you discuss. Turned me from the most empty & grey cynic into a passionate & driven altruist. I hope to work with you one day and supplement the high minded portions of your work with a low minded cultural practical translation for the masses. What you’re dealing with could align us all 🤍
@@KalebPeters99 Well unfortunately I couldn’t shave my head and go to the cave for 3 years … but a week off screens helped a bit. Actually… spose I could go to the cave….
Im about halfway through the Awakening from the Meaning Crisis videos and I find him one of the most brilliant minds I’ve ever encountered. But I’m wondering, why hasn’t he written more books? I would love to read them and I’m sure many others are wondering the same thing. Also I mean this in the most respectful way because he is more brilliant than any professor I’ve had, but how is he only an assistant professor!? Anyone else have any insights? To be honest, he is probably providing much more value to the world by being assistant professor, and creating content on RUclips, versus being a full-time professor
I’ve just watched every other video in the collaboration and my first thought was “it seems daoist/buddist/eastern one worldism was the first thing to travel the silk road” and there it is the introduction of this video. That tickled me thank you.
The topic of freewill (and also consciousness, and precognition) - within a discussion on wisdom - and failure of material sciences to define it, always makes me think of the spirit. With the idea of the spirit, I can then agree with the conclusions of material science in regards to the lack of proof for freewill because this points to one's spirit. The machinery or power to use free will then lies in the spirit. This removes the necessity for a narrowing/reductive material explanation which runs counter to John's idea of necessity for the unlimited. For me this indicates primary fitting between the material body and spirit, time and eternity that is constantly taking place. I think this way because of the directness of the language/grammer found in this passage on the separation of material science and spirit: 1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. I guess one could refer to as yet another type of knowing, "Spiritual Knowing"
As someone who studied physics I like finding convergence between what John (via Evan Thompson) is saying and what other physicists have said. This comment relates to evolution and cognition participating in the same principles. Richard Feynman: "The things that make the wind make the waves, and the motion of water is like the motion of air is like the motion of sand. The fact that things have common features, turns out more and more universal."
Can you please elaborate? Edit: Mmm, something like how in order for an organism and cognition to adapt to their environment they require variation? I give this a 2/10 lol.
@@Hyumanity Thompson points out that both life and cognition have the same explanatory model, or laws that explain them. That is, they are both self-organising within a frame of emanation and emergence. So yes variation is the emergence part. And they both need to adapt to general problems Richard Feynman is pointing out that the models for the movement of fluids also work for gas and solids (when made up of small enough particles in close enough proximity). Navier stokes can be used to model the weather as well as ocean currents, and lots and lots of other things. So a lot of different phenomena share identical intelligibility. Identical models. Identical mathematical equations. (Another fun one: The Schrödinger equation of quantum mechanics is just the heat equation in imaginary time)
I am blown away by your work it is vitally important. This really helps me out personally to understand some of the things I do and think in a new way that allows me to make better choices and self-cultivate with more awareness. I love Plato and Neoplatonism and this is an interesting approach that I think is important. Much appreciated.
I have some contentions with a few hypotheses, but mostly Socratic curiosities for further clarification. One example: two diametrically opposed phenomena providing balance and harmony (para/sympathetic, etc) neglects the “oneness” of the balanced facets propetuating into a third opposing position acting as a counter to the balance of the harmony of the first two…thus “snowballing” into infinity.
The Matrix film actually was written with a very different ending according to the filmmaker's mother. After it was purchased by the studio the ending was replaced with the sensationalized "shootout" scene
Pierre Hadot! Henry Corbin! Wow! (it is a shame that Jean Trouillard and René Schaerer are not widely translated, but at least Algis Uždavinys is.) In an ideal world this would be along the most widely watched youtube channels, this is one that will be carried to our future.
DR VERVAEKE: "Dialectic dialogue, which is genuine, is privileged in disclosing reality cuz it shows us that in fact we are in contact with a reality that is prestructured and possesses perspectives available to it other than own." ALSO DR VERVAEKE: "You don't want a cognitive scientist as your dad." :P PS: Given how crucial dialogue is for reason and perspective, no wonder "they" are trying to prevent even the opportunity for it these days.
You realize that you know John's ideas when you know what he will say before he says it. But yet you keep hearing him because of the beauty of how he says it
Well, I guess my default mode network is functioning and I'm not a psychopath.... When I listen to this talk (as well as many other insightful ones by John), my mind can't help but think of all the RELEVANT branches in which his ideas fruit new connections and creative stimulation. I've been investigating many of the same ideas throughout my life, just naturally, and love the framework here and how it demonstrates humanity has been curious about these things for millennia. I would even argue it's central to BEING human! Sadly, our culture seems to have ignored these patterns and concepts on a mass scale and we now find ourselves in mental crisis often. We've lost meaning in life and substituted it with comfort and pleasure. We have a simplistic notion that a good life is one which is supposed to be enjoyed..... I see many people around me in their later years still holding on to this.... They have no interest in philosophy or deciphering their suffering.... I hope someday this wisdom becomes more widespread because I think that I could feel so much more connected to those people if they had an interest or understanding of this! And please don't bother sharing this with the psychopathic US military or any other military for that matter! The last thing we need is more psychopathic behavior in this crazy world! I assume you made the same deduction! Thanks John!
@BeyondtheFundamentals (Kevin Thompson) this is Chris M. Langan’s Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU) as a syncretism between Christianity and Neo-Platonism! It’s brilliant to a degree!
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It was great collaborating with you, John! Ad maiora semper. 🙂
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@TheVeganVicar >.> Slave?
What a non-starter.
@@feruspriest, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
I had the IMMENSE pleasure of attending this lecture in person. What a thrill it is to see it here as part of a collaboration with some of my favorite channels!! Thank you John for your incredible heart and dedication to the good. May your words find fertile soil all over the world.
To anyone reading this, I've done John's course on Awakening from the meaning crisis, and I cannot reccomend it enough. No matter who you are, you will benefit from the course. I encourage you to enrich your life ❤️
I second that motion...
It really is one of the hidden treasures of RUclips
Could not agree more. John is a rare gem.
thank you for mentioning!
I’ve come to have major problems with his project, yet it is still an amazing course that everyone should watch. It is also an inevitable project and I am glad he is the one doing it and that people like him, McgilChrist, Christopher, and Peterson are talking with Pageau and others along with the forthcoming conversation(s?)John is going to be having with an Orthodox bishop on this issue of Neoplatonism.
There are far worse people involved in these models with worse goals and models which we will see at net with the whole game B to Ken Wilbur spirit of the times, the way that will trickle down and the feedback loop with everything wrong on the right at net.
My first year college philosophy professor said if I believed in spirits or spiritual realities that indicated mental illness and he'd recommend being put in a mental institute. The other philosophy professors at college agreed with him so I stopped going to class, just took the tests, and started going to the gym instead. It was heartbreaking. So...nice to know there's folks like you out there...great video!!! Happy New Year.
I dream of Academy that teach meaningful philosophy, art, science and also takes care of physicality through deep martial arts and calisthenics practice. Calisthenics can also mean yoga. I value weightlifting as well but I think it will be more proper to start the education with bodyweight, develop all the parts properly and then move to weights. We could use it as metaphor with philosophy. Moving to the most abstracted and removed from human experience philosophies only after one is developed in communal philosophical practices and knows the basics.
@@filipo7703 agreed! I avoided weight lifting entirely til after I'd been practicing yoga for 11 years, personally. And the Academy is changing,,,these chats are proof of that.
Academic philosophy in North America has three problems 1) Physics envy; 2) Hubris; 3) Adversarialness. They combine to generate experiences like yours. I'm sorry you had to experience it so viscerally.
@@MattHabermehl cheers but I handled it fine. It just mean i only took tests as I found it hard to respect profs after that. Eventually i moved on to a grad studies and phd department that were better fits. Plus learning to lift weights was way more of a boon to my life than studying philosophy with professors who dislike Wisdom. :P
That sounds like an ethical complaint waiting to be filed. Or a RUclips short naming names including the chancellor at the time.
Thank you John for this exquisite lecture. You not only talk but show and exemplify the way. It's a delight and a pleasure to be working alongside you. Your student and friend, Zevi
Man, what an honourable comment Zevi. I share the sentiment and celebrate all the way from down here. Keep truckin' brother.
Zevi, you rock! ❤🌎🙏🏻
I love you Zevi
John, you outrageous f***ing Magus! A thousand rattles and shamanic chants in your honor. Thank you for keeping the roads to the Sacred Fire open. Philosophy. Art. Science. The Sacred Triumvirate.
Brilliant and revelatory. Vervaeke is one of the great minds of our time but equally important, one of the great hearts. Thank you, Professor for walking the talk and having your life be for the possibility of humanity cultivating Wisdom.
That is very kind. Thank you.
That was the most profound lecture I've ever experienced. Thanks, John. My hope for humanity is that more of us will start to question the current collective psychological paradigm and gravitate to holy and generative perspectives and metaperspectives like these and feel a call to 'participate' in a more meaningful way
This has been such an incredible collaboration amongst wonderful free-thinkers. Y'all are doing Plato's (and Plotinus') work.
Can’t describe how happy I am that you collaborated with this group. For those of us who are not new to these ideas it’s so great to have this perspective presented. Thanks!
Possibly the most important video I've watched this year, which is saying something because it is now December 31st. I'm going to have to go back and take notes!
John, I've been following you for the past two years and I can safely say that you, along with Iain McGilchrist, are the most important thinker of this day and age. No matter how much I listen to you, every single discussion or lecture proves to be informative, novel and thought-provoking. You are truly one of the most insightful human beings I've ever come across. Thank you very much for your work, it's really mind-blowing ❤❤
Well said Ben! Totally agree 👏👏👏
Yes...they are the two minds of our time.
They're great, but they're not joscha bach
I wouldn’t have discovered either were it not for JBP’s conversations with them.
@@billbyrd5150 I'm mostly pro Peterson but his angry intensity wouldn't work on TOE, I don't think
This is SOOO good. I decided to watch in 3 separate sittings. There's too much here for me to take in all at one time. I'm so grateful that you made this video to share your knowledge and insight with others like me. Thank you, John.
For me, this was a wonderful refresher and sprucing up of some major themes of your work, as I don't have the greatest memory. I also really appreciated the questions. Feeling the Beauty!
I really liked the 'differentiating opening up' 'integrating narrowing into one' part. I thought it was a tiny homunculus inside me getting excited, but it must have been the tau erotica. :) It did feel spruced up and refreshed as well, like more suchness and such moreness. :)
Happy New Year, Rachel! Looking forward to '23 with you and everyone else!
Happy New Year, Robert!
Absolutely loving how all of this has been unfolding over the past few years and very excited to see all participants coming together to expound upon and expand unto both a re-understanding of dialogos and how to effectively re-implement this into practice.
From The One, The Many.
From The Many, to The One.
It reminds me of breathing.
Cyclical, closed, perpetual.
This is a profoundly enlightening lecture. Simultaneously satisfying my desire for deep thoughts/revelations while increasing my appetite for reaching even greater depths of awareness in Self and of Others.
Thank you and to all who helped make this content available for us all. Such a blessed time we live in, despite how chaotic it may be.
Recently my twenty year old son expressed an interest in philosophy. I am very happy to have been able to direct him to this lecture.
Wow I was already excited for this but 3 hours?? You spoil us, John!
Brilliant - both in the sense of ingenious and en-light-ening. I'm really glad you did this.
The concept of ascent and return is so fascinating to me right now. I feel like it explains the feeling of two steps forward and one step back when trying to work through trauma recovery.
Beautiful lecture! Densely packed and informative. Put together a lot of things for me. I finally realized the distinction between Kantian view and the neo-platonic view.
This is the funniest and most rhetorical I’ve ever seen John and I love it.
Wow. An epic 3 hour journey. The Q&A is not to be missed.
Your transmission of the memory system was profound.
I was transported into participatory self knowledge:
The knot in my stomach felt seen and unwound.
This was such a great clear summary of neoplatonism, so much clearer than the AFTMC piece, although I am sure it helped to have the background provided there. Thank you John 🙏
Just gets better after every viewing. A genuine Sacred lecture. Thank you John🙏
Thank you for taking the time to share these conversations
John Neo Vervaeke. This was simply fantastic and crystal clear. Beautiful, really.
Masterful and beautiful presentation. Thank you John 🙏
Wonderful talk and absolutely beautiful Q&A!!!
What a titanic lecture that will only become more so with the passing of time. Utter respect for this man and his work.
So So SO excited to see you working in the overlap of 4E Cog Sci and Esotericism!!! I feel like its really fertile ground for amazing scholarly collaborations like this!
This might be a blasphemy but it seems like this was a summary of the awakening from the meaning crysis series. I find it absolutely astonishing how you managed to introduce and talk about so many monstrous (complex) concepts and still kept it coherent while also introducing the concepts in an easy to digest way. This was a hell of a ride. Thank you for this and thank you for everything John ♥️ I found it (and you) strikingly beautiful ♥️
What an amazing group - John knocked it out of the park as always!
Despite having seen the meaning crisis series, it's nice to see such a great summary after a while, to keep my internal John Vervaeke and his way of viewing the world alive.
Yes, a big thank you to John and to Ranston for making this a public lecture. I have been watching his 50 Video's .(I'm on 6 or 7) . it only took me 3 to 4 years to get bored with Dr. Petersons.."wink". I didn't know about John till Lex Freedman .. Another Toronto professor? . I thought to myself at first. ..Well makes sense to find both of such at Ranston now. Good Luck
John thank you again for your lecture and your closing was absolutely the best to end on .
What a magnificent start on 2023💓
Not watched this yet but I know it’s going to be amazing, so thanks in advance John 🙏
JV told JP....."oh what a speech at Ephesus, hold my beer..."
Brilliant!
John, this is wonderful. I'm feeling the dialogos between this video, my schema and my journal. Such a cool rich flow you got me in.
You have 'one' me over!
All this and I'm only 1/3 through.
Thanks is Kevin!
I'd really like the right book to learn about neo-platonism that aligns with this.
(Misspelling in thumnbail "Neoplatanism") Look forward to watching this. :)
Very deep insights along a beautiful throughline, presented didactically. True selflessness. I wish there were more John Vervaekes.
Remarkable how this is readily available almost for free. Thank you. Huge fan.
The little known polemic contra gnosticism by Plotinus is relevant at this cultural juncture:
ruclips.net/video/ZV5ubPPzT7U/видео.html
Perception is a controlled illusion/hallucination.
True enough to be useful or valuable.
Truth, in context, is combinatorially explosive.
The mind creates the meaning it is able to process.
Are you a fan of Anil Seth? I love that hypothesis by him as well. I think it fits with John's opponent processing of relevance realisation.
@@KalebPeters99 Have to look him up.
@@RickDelmonico he has a fantastic book on consciousness called Being You. He's a big proponent of "perception as controlled hallucination", big recommend!
There are truths that are only disclosed after profound transformation.
I would add one thing: the first of these disclosed truths must be: humility. I believe that my beliefs and many or all of the infinite implications may be wrong. I remember crossing this membrane and trying to hang onto both perspectives so that I could build a bridge between worlds or epistemes (in the Foucault sense). The greater degrees are not available until you acknowledge the fundamental errors in the previous phase of "you." Also, an important caveat: you will forget for a time. Then, you will remember but differently. This causes dissonance and alienation which carries a not insignificant risk.
That answer was so long it gave him a 5 o’clock shadow hahaha i only jest! Much love JV ❤️ appreciate your time.
Happy Holidays John 💝 Much love to you and the family.
Dynamical Systems. Exactly. Coupled mapping to multiplicities as the input for the Topology of organization
The emanation of a thing from something else: When does a thing gain identity if it is an emanation?
When does a process gain expression if it is emerging from a collective principle of organization?
There is a fractal quality to transcendence. The macro world emanating out of the micro world.
Perhaps the quantum is the string on which beads of 6 to 8 second attention spans can circle within themselves, and this is related to probability clouds of changing, flowing matter by describing and comparing two forms of action. One that I speculate is QCD expansion and contraction, the other described by Feynmann diagrams of short segments joining "objects". If the quantum interaction in the brain is allowed by a microtubule, that interface would have awareness lining the wall of that conduit observing the flow within, and possibly interacting by assigning vector pennants in that probability cloud. This could be seen as a person (6 seconds of persons) inside one of those street festival Dragons, manipulating the form by interaction, also following the street as undulating dragon, and on the side of the street looking on as a child.
John is an intellectual shaman. A great communicator and spokesperson for our shared need to come back into community with each other in a profound way. We've forgotten fellowship. Thank you for deeply reminding us. I hope you continue in your path and wish you the best. Thanks again for everything you're doing 🙏🏼
Tarot took me down this rabbit hole and I’ve grown in more ways than I ever imagined possible 🙏❤️
1:59:07 wow here it is! I think this is The piece needed when discussing the meaning crisis with JBP, VanderKlay and Pageau. Meaning isn’t just about purpose but ‘fittedness’ also
I am having a bit of an existential crisis being that I work in social media marketing and truly and deeply value your work
Great to hear this lecture...
Liked to hear about the hermeneutics of suspicion and how 'negativity' (in its broadest sense, including scepticism, scholasticism, even art ) is parasitic on the positive
one area i think John's understanding of Plato could be deepened is actually in a neoplatonic direction in a way...
The three level theory of mind is Plato's thumbnail sketch of his deeper theory ... he understood many more levels of the human (as most serious theories do, e.g. yoga, Piaget, Maslov) - the skeleton sketch of this deeper theory is in the nine deductions (different levels of approach to any question) in the second half of the Parmenides. The Neo-platonist knew this but the works that expound it are lost.
Your lecture was amazing. Thank you very much John.
Everything I heard was relatable and explained clearly and productively. Learning so much and so greatful.
Please, John, leave the title at "Neo-platanism". We all love it.
The ancients knew how to amuse themselves.
Wisdom also knows how to have fun at the expense of intellect.
Hahha. Im trying to get people to watch it and it puts them off
This was excellent! Thank you for your time as always!
Emanating feedback systems. My God, what a revelation. Thank you for this upload🙏
This idea of psychontological "levels" which are more or less "in conformity with reality" is lovely.
Neoplatonism was fully imported into Sufi cosmology. God in Sufism is referred to as "the Real" , what is, and ultimately demands surrender of all illusion, resistance (in contrast to Responsivity/ fittedness/ adab) and self-delusion. Deepening contact with this phenomenological unfolding is the telos. No more grasping for identity.
Descent, ascent...
Is there a non-vertical metaphor for dropping fully into this spatiotemporal moment? Fully "inhabiting" the eternal now? Abiding? Moving in and out of ontological "presence"?
"The depths of the world" ❤
In Sufism the human being is the threshold between the manifest and the unmanifest. And the threshold is in the heart. The job of the intellect ('aql) is both instrumental and a ray of awareness to witness the turning of the heart (qalb, from same triconsonantal root as "turn"). To orient towards the Real, to turn towards truth, goodness. Accounting. Monitoring. Witnessing the heart's intention.
The Real is every atom presented to the self, inviting ongoing re-alignment, response, fittedness. 3R, in other words. But not just logos. Pathos. Ethos.
The soul moves through wonderfully described levels from being enslaved, to at war with itself, to at ease, through many more, towards ultimate self-knowledge, which is ego-annihilation.
I had a breakdown in my first semester of college and managed to get onto this process of positive feedback clarity you discuss. Turned me from the most empty & grey cynic into a passionate & driven altruist. I hope to work with you one day and supplement the high minded portions of your work with a low minded cultural practical translation for the masses. What you’re dealing with could align us all 🤍
Yum! What a delicious way to break a week-long screen fast. Thanks so much John! ❤️🙏🏽💋
Good on you for taking that break when you needed it, Alexandra! I gotta do that soon...
@@KalebPeters99 Well unfortunately I couldn’t shave my head and go to the cave for 3 years … but a week off screens helped a bit. Actually… spose I could go to the cave….
@@alexandrazachary.musician here's to more caving and less hair in 2023
Happy new year, ms Zachary!
@@KalebPeters99 Hoopy Nu Yar to you too me mate on the West Coast.
I want that bookshelf.
Amazing lecture.
Thank you.
Hey John updated his profile picture!!
Im about halfway through the Awakening from the Meaning Crisis videos and I find him one of the most brilliant minds I’ve ever encountered.
But I’m wondering, why hasn’t he written more books? I would love to read them and I’m sure many others are wondering the same thing.
Also I mean this in the most respectful way because he is more brilliant than any professor I’ve had, but how is he only an assistant professor!?
Anyone else have any insights? To be honest, he is probably providing much more value to the world by being assistant professor, and creating content on RUclips, versus being a full-time professor
Love you content John, keep it coming! 🙏
Thank you!!
I am glad he's talking a lot! I take it in better
I’ve just watched every other video in the collaboration and my first thought was “it seems daoist/buddist/eastern one worldism was the first thing to travel the silk road” and there it is the introduction of this video. That tickled me thank you.
Great video but the volume level seems really inconsistent. Could just be my sound system, though. I’m interested to know if anyone else noticed
Even though much of this got over the top of my head, I think I will try try to understand this man's work, it's fascinating.
Thank you John. Superb lecture. Keep up the spectacular work.
5th time through this lecture and I always learn something new
Thank you! Wonderful as always!
John, this is so profound.
great collaboration! looking forward to watching all of this
really happy to have found your channel, thanks!
36:20 - James J. Gibson the psychologist, not William Gibson the sci-fi writer. (The Peripheral series on Amazon Prime Video is really good, eh? :-)
The topic of freewill (and also consciousness, and precognition) - within a discussion on wisdom - and failure of material sciences to define it, always makes me think of the spirit. With the idea of the spirit, I can then agree with the conclusions of material science in regards to the lack of proof for freewill because this points to one's spirit. The machinery or power to use free will then lies in the spirit. This removes the necessity for a narrowing/reductive material explanation which runs counter to John's idea of necessity for the unlimited. For me this indicates primary fitting between the material body and spirit, time and eternity that is constantly taking place. I think this way because of the directness of the language/grammer found in this passage on the separation of material science and spirit:
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
I guess one could refer to as yet another type of knowing, "Spiritual Knowing"
This is great. I have learned so much from John and Jordan. Thank you Canada.
53:39 use of imagery reminds me of Lakoff's Metaphors We Live By
As someone who studied physics I like finding convergence between what John (via Evan Thompson) is saying and what other physicists have said. This comment relates to evolution and cognition participating in the same principles. Richard Feynman: "The things that make the wind make the waves, and the motion of water is like the motion of air is like the motion of sand. The fact that things have common features, turns out more and more universal."
Can you please elaborate?
Edit: Mmm, something like how in order for an organism and cognition to adapt to their environment they require variation? I give this a 2/10 lol.
@@Hyumanity Thompson points out that both life and cognition have the same explanatory model, or laws that explain them. That is, they are both self-organising within a frame of emanation and emergence. So yes variation is the emergence part. And they both need to adapt to general problems
Richard Feynman is pointing out that the models for the movement of fluids also work for gas and solids (when made up of small enough particles in close enough proximity). Navier stokes can be used to model the weather as well as ocean currents, and lots and lots of other things.
So a lot of different phenomena share identical intelligibility. Identical models. Identical mathematical equations.
(Another fun one: The Schrödinger equation of quantum mechanics is just the heat equation in imaginary time)
We must enable and support those who would walk the path.
I am blown away by your work it is vitally important. This really helps me out personally to understand some of the things I do and think in a new way that allows me to make better choices and self-cultivate with more awareness. I love Plato and Neoplatonism and this is an interesting approach that I think is important. Much appreciated.
I have some contentions with a few hypotheses, but mostly Socratic curiosities for further clarification. One example: two diametrically opposed phenomena providing balance and harmony (para/sympathetic, etc) neglects the “oneness” of the balanced facets propetuating into a third opposing position acting as a counter to the balance of the harmony of the first two…thus “snowballing” into infinity.
I adore this. Thankyou John.
Thank you ❤ this is was amazing
This is the best thing I've ever found on the internet
Landscape is the cognitive framework we evolved in; it forms the foundation of meaning, "vertical" AND "horizontal".
Platonism/Neo Platonism makes more sense to me than most things in life.
Such a wonderful and important presentation
Thanks John!
The Matrix film actually was written with a very different ending according to the filmmaker's mother. After it was purchased by the studio the ending was replaced with the sensationalized "shootout" scene
New subscriber - Dr Angela Puca sent me 🙌
Pierre Hadot! Henry Corbin! Wow! (it is a shame that Jean Trouillard and René Schaerer are not widely translated, but at least Algis Uždavinys is.)
In an ideal world this would be along the most widely watched youtube channels, this is one that will be carried to our future.
DR VERVAEKE: "Dialectic dialogue, which is genuine, is privileged in disclosing reality cuz it shows us that in fact we are in contact with a reality that is prestructured and possesses perspectives available to it other than own."
ALSO DR VERVAEKE: "You don't want a cognitive scientist as your dad." :P
PS: Given how crucial dialogue is for reason and perspective, no wonder "they" are trying to prevent even the opportunity for it these days.
You realize that you know John's ideas when you know what he will say before he says it. But yet you keep hearing him because of the beauty of how he says it
Well, I guess my default mode network is functioning and I'm not a psychopath....
When I listen to this talk (as well as many other insightful ones by John), my mind can't help but think of all the RELEVANT branches in which his ideas fruit new connections and creative stimulation.
I've been investigating many of the same ideas throughout my life, just naturally, and love the framework here and how it demonstrates humanity has been curious about these things for millennia.
I would even argue it's central to BEING human!
Sadly, our culture seems to have ignored these patterns and concepts on a mass scale and we now find ourselves in mental crisis often.
We've lost meaning in life and substituted it with comfort and pleasure.
We have a simplistic notion that a good life is one which is supposed to be enjoyed.....
I see many people around me in their later years still holding on to this....
They have no interest in philosophy or deciphering their suffering....
I hope someday this wisdom becomes more widespread because I think that I could feel so much more connected to those people if they had an interest or understanding of this!
And please don't bother sharing this with the psychopathic US military or any other military for that matter!
The last thing we need is more psychopathic behavior in this crazy world!
I assume you made the same deduction!
Thanks John!
"Neoplatonism is the philosophical grammar of the spirituality of the West."
What a fundamentally true statement! 👍🔆🙏
@BeyondtheFundamentals (Kevin Thompson) this is Chris M. Langan’s Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU) as a syncretism between Christianity and Neo-Platonism!
It’s brilliant to a degree!