Why did BioWare change Tali's Face? (Mass Effect)
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The Mass Effect series is one of the most iconic Sci-Fi RPG franchises in gaming, full of awesome planets, epic set pieces, and most importantly, memorable characters. This included the fan favorite Tali'Zorah of the Migrant Fleet, a Quarian that remains by Commander Shepard's side throughout the events of the Mass Effect Trilogy. Due to their unique biology, Quarians are forced to live most of their lives within environmental suits, and this naturally created some mystery as to what Tali actually looked like... but, this wasn't always a mystery. In fact, the developers at BioWare knew what the Quarains were supposed to look like, but ended up changing it at literally the last minute for reasons you may find ridiculous. Join me as I explain the story of why that happened, in what I believe to be the World Premiere of this information to the public.
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This isn't some secret your friend gave you, the fanbase has known this for years.
I was coming to write this comment; you beat me to it. It's also in the Mass Effect's Behind the Scenes Interactive/Digital Book.
Seriously, this guy is just a lying clown
Shssh he has inside sources. Better be careful his dad probably works for Xbox too.
Thanks to his friend.
@@njones52 xD I'm dead
"An bioware aquantance of mine"
Bro we've known this for years
We've know this for years thanks to his friend.
@@lonesurvivor8828
We've known this for years, because the game's director literally said it in an interview years ago...
@@TheCursedCat1927 That's his friend.
@@lonesurvivor8828
And since he might as well be making it up, I don't care.
As far as it gets, he has no way to confirm it.
His uncle works for Bioware, that's how he knows
People has known for years, but you literally went "trust me bruh, my dad works at nintendo"
Bring this prize a hero!
This is the bad thing of shorts. So many people post rando shit to say "look i knew things" and the algorithm will send us here eventually so op gets views.
Imagine if they were actually given time
mass effect 3 could have been a masterpeice
@@hammishhiggins153 I was going to say exactly that. it should have been a masterpiece. ME2 was so good. ME3 had the potential to be even better and one of the greatest games ever made. damn EA.
@@cjvaye99 yeah thats what i think if ea had givin biowere another year then it could have been one of the greatest sci-fi games ever made
@@hammishhiggins153 It still is though.
@@TheGingiGamer i certinly wouldnt call me3 a masterpeice sure its a good game but its by far the weakest out of the whole trilogy
If ME3 had another year to cook it would have been the game of the decade. Still surprised the product we got in the end was still amazing given all the shit they went through
Despite all the shit ME3 goes through I do appreciate it for making me appreciate the characters in games
There were amazing parts to it, but there were also major issues with the writing and storytelling.
I'm not sure just another year would have been enough time to fix all that to live up to what it could and should have been.
@@Iamkrogan07 I know the original aim of the Reapers that was set up in Tali's recruitment in ME2 that was supposedly the original ending, and honestly, that wouldn't have been much of an improvement in my opinion.
Yea, great game despite the trash ending
The only fault it had was the ending 95% of the game was tight
EA has a habit of giving their people impossible deadlines.
"Oh wow, you managed to ship! Shareholders are pleased. That's the new standard deadline now, and they want more content than ever before for this next one!"
EA has a habit of speedrunning development, releasing complete shit, spend years fixing it, and then have the nerve to charge you MORE and call it "DLC"
@@ChamberpotCharliealways have a habit of cancelling then restarting projects or making companies restart the project while still giving deadlines
It's crazy your inside source told you the same thing that we found out like a few months after release
The real reason was explained by Patrick Weekes in an interview I did with him. They knew for months it was gonna be a stock photo, they wanted to put resources elsewhere. Since you never actually see her face.
Bro couldn't find the source so he said he had an anonymous friend 💀
Don't tell his wife 🤫
Tbh tho, the legendary edition version of the Tali picture is Chefs kiss
Mass effect 3 is already a fantastic game. Wish they could go back and finish up the ending and flesh out priority earth.
Tuchanka and Rannoch were the best planets in the game because they had side missions/downtime between each major quest. I wish all the other planets in-game had similar design like that
They should have done that for the Legendary edition.
Apparently there are mods that do just that
I wish the bloody Galaxy ACTUALLY came to war at the end, so all those bloody War Assets actually meant something.
As for the ending, there's no saving that drek. One of the worst endings in Video Game history - only thing to do is to completely and utterly re-write it, but to do that, you probably have to re-write the entirety of ME3.
@@thatotherguy8138 It isn't the worst ending in video game history. It's just the only bad ending that everyone talks about. It is mediocre at worse.
Should've used a more alien design. All that build up for just another human face.
the face isnt the only thing that makes aliens look alien, look at the rest of her body
Facts
She was human-looking even before ME3 what the fuck are you talking about
Did you not watch the video?
Its kinda hard when you got like a few days before game release and no one can decide
Extremely old news this was known probably a week after released on March 6,2012
Oh, amazing! I was really into the community back then and was unaware. This was told to me by an acquaintance who was close to production only a couple years ago. Still, spreading the word on fun stories like this is a good thing :)
You must have not been on the official bioware forums. People complained about the image and lazy ending from day one. I'm sure it was on Reddit too.
@@LeoInterVir - Never mind the forums and reddit, the lackluster ending to the biggest RPG franchise at the time was *the* talking point for months on the net back in the day. Tali's face was up there, but there were plenty of people (myself included) who hadn't romanced her, so it was as big a deal; I still remember the uproar though
"You might be skeptical" Well you're actually a liar so yes. Your friend didn't give you that information people have known about this for years.
That last minute photoshop of Tali angered so many people, including me.
I really want to see all of the designs that Bioware made for Tali's face before they settled on the photoshopped stock photo.
Idk if it's exactly what you are looking for, but the mass effect art book has, multiple designs for the quarian face. It's been a minute since I pulled the book off the shelf though so I could be misremembering it may only have 1 face.
@@VasKyahThanks
dude a ton of people realized that it was a stock photo. its on mass effect iceberg lists, its been mentioned numerous times when people talk about changes in the Legendary edition. Hell, this was known before youtube shorts were a thing 🤣
but ok Mr "I know someone at bioware"
This is literally for children too young to play mass effect and are only getting to play it now that it was released with the remastered collection.
@@FogHorn1911 then dude should be honest and just say everyone knew about this and bioware confirmed it.
instead of the whole "i talked to someone on the inside about this great mystery" bs he gives
i hate youtubers who push garbage to get views from kids
The point is not that it's a stock photo but why it was used 🤦 pay attention before crying
@@csodapaci still old news 🤦♂️
Maybe you should've payed attention lol.
You're probably one of the children Ford was talking about 🤣
My biggest problem is that everyone talks about not knowing what they look like, but you can't tell me, with the sci-fi internet access they had, there wouldn't be a photo or anything.
In the legendary edition they added a true face to Tali
My biggest gripe in the original was if the Quarians looked EXACTLY like humans how was that never mentioned. I was in complete shock in 2012 when I saw her and no one EVER mentioned or any Quarioan questions how do we look so similar and how is this possible. I mean with the Asari you have the brainwashing theory and the different kinds and tentacle hair but the Quarians also have THE SAME HAIR, SKIN, AND FACE as humans. I was hoping that in the sequel they could have made some something out of it like they were so similar that humans and Quarinas started mixing and having mutant babies or shit like that.
In fact, they tell you, I don't remember where they are similar to humans, but their DNA is similar to Turian, meaning that their world, being human-like, has some of their features, but their DNA is different from ours, in the same way, the only thing in which they are The same as the human is in the face and in their reproductive organs beyond that they have nothing
This is why executives SHOULD NOT be allowed to make art direction decisions. They need to stay in their lane and trust in their designers.
Given what we’ve learned about Anthems production. Are we sure BioWare were on a tight deadline?
I'm not mad at the photoshopped picture. Was it lazy? Yes. But Tali still looks beautiful and she's definitely the best romance in the series.
Shepard: Didn’t matter what she looked like well bang ok.
Unpopular opinion(?): I really don't find the version in the legendary edition much of an improvement and I hate that people treat it like one. I mean, HAVE YOU SEEN THE CONCEPT ART, PEOPLE?
I like it simply cause it makes more sense than the original one where Tali was out of her suit just for a picture.
Very unpopular
She looks like Asajj ventress, fricken amazing design.
I've never seen people saltier than in a discussion about tali's design human or alien
Marauder Shields remembers
Will say as much as I loved the multiplayer. If they would’ve devoted all their resources to keep it single player it would’ve been better too
They had years on end to get what she looked like. This time it is not crunch. It is them just putting it off.
Just commented and said exactly the same. They should have had ideas for quarians in general since ME1; and they knew Tali was a love interest since ME2, so would need to show her face.
@@antiochus87 There actually are six different possible head shapes for quarians in the Art of Mass Effect, ranging from an essentially human shape to a couple really alien looks. The legendary edition version of the photo seems to be based on one of these.
The more alien design shown in the video is frankly the best.
Considering the way their limbs look similar to Turians and their amino acid specific physiology I was hoping Tali would look like a much smoother Garrus
can't get smoother than Garrus. Mah boi got game.
Wish they take inspiration from Miime ( Space Pirate Captain Harlock ) for Tali. She's a beauty.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that thinks Tali is Best girl of the game
@CLB Ronin I think so too, with Liara at #2 and Garrus at #3. This is mostly down to the fact that they're the 3 squad mates that stay with you throughout the trilogy. Liara's available to both MShep and FemShep, and seems to be quite popular among both types of players. Garrus seems to be the most popular among FemShep players, but we all know majority of ME players are dudes.
@CLB Ronin I feel like thats Liara, and Tali is #2
“A friend of mine at ID software leaked to me that the Doom Slayer likes to rip and tear!”
That fanart near the end is horrifying. We don't need uncanny valley Jack in a space suit
@@pleasegetthis1right472wdym they havent ruined liara at all.
It acctually fits. Almost like Tali was a alien or some craz shit.
That "fanart" was actually what Tali was originally intended to look like. She was supposed to have pale skin, a round head, tattoo-like facial markings, no hair, and with large far apart eyes.
This may be a hot take, but I kind of wish they stuck with her original concept or at least something else a little less human looking. Tali is an alien, and as such, she should look ALIEN. I don't like the idea of her just being some purple skinned human to play it safe with the horny teenagers that chose to romance her.
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 I think they knew what they were doing by making her more human-like. Even if she was middlingly average in terms of attractiveness it wouldn't matter, making her look strange and creepy would leave a huge block of mass effect's fans upset. Would it be more realistic? Sure, but realism doesn't always make the best stories. Hence why the reapers don't instantly wipe the floor with humanity and the gang come game three. That would be the most realistic answer, but it makes for a sucky story.
@@Nervete Doesn't necessarily have to be "creepy". Though I prefer the original concept over the current, I'm not suggesting that they actually stick with that. It was a preliminary design after all. I just think the final concept is a bit uninspired. They could have done something more.
As for your criticisms. "Realism doesn't make the best stories". Yes, this is true, but what I'm talking about has neither to do with realism nor story. It's just art direction. What Quarians look like has no impact on the story of the game. Asking for interesting designs isn't necessarily asking for realism either. I just want something a little more creative. I don't care if Tali's design is realistic or not. A lot of Mass Effect's alien designs are unrealistic. I mean their obsession with giving so many of them three fingered hands, with only one thumb is pretty unrealistic for tool using races, but I'm not really complaining about that. And I'll meet you half way. Some of the more "alien" alien designs can look pretty bad too. For example, I dislike the design of the Angara in Mass Effect Andromeda. Lastly, if your concern is the devs upsetting the fans, then don't you think we should be advocating that they never do a face reveal? There is nothing wrong with preserving a little bit of ambiguity in a game.
“best girl” I see we are ignoring Wrex. Sure he might not technically be a girl, but he is the cutest member of the Normandy teams. Bioware were just too cowardly to let the player romance him because the sheer passion he wields is enough to destroy worlds.
They're scared because they know no one will be able to romance anyone besides Wrex if he becomes an option.
Unfathomably based.
It's the same way with Varric in Dragon Age
when i played the legendary edition and it finally got to the picture part i was freaking out "holy shit they actually made a new picture for her!"
I loved the stick photo they used it was just alien enough to justify being used and, still human enough to start a family with the Normandy's best girl.
Unfortunately we can not start family with the quarian waifu
@@dj11o9er **flashbacks to her suicide, after apparently having missed a story beat, that made me put down the game for 2 months**
@@KorporalNoobs Do not remind me of my 360 days.
I only had ME3.
I experimented and chose the geth.
Pain.
@@dj11o9er Apparently that is easily avoided, and you get both, but hell do I know what I did wrong. "Erm Quarians: You kinda were not big fighter ever and I just upgraded the Geth, so maybe don't suicide char... ok then..."
Followed by trauma.
@@KorporalNoobs Nonono.
I only had ME3 only at the time. Never got the other two games.
So I only had TWO choices. The Quarians or the Geth. No in between, as I didn't have Legion at all.
They cut a year off the initial schedule deadline which itself was described as optimistic and was expected to be extended.
Thanks to that we lost MULTIPLE major quest hubs and some current ones got cut down severely.
The asari home sector was supposed to be an extensive quest hub leading to he homeworld scenario we did see. Instead of a DLC, Omega was supposed to be another major questhub with choices which could have lead to you breaking "omega's one rule" in literal and/or metaphorical ways, stationing yourself as a pirate king for the latter. There was supposed to be a quest chain to rescue the elcor with us in a mech to deal with their heavy gravity worlds (a function revived and cobbled together into that reaper origin dlc). Our fave prothean was supposed to be inbuilt into the game with missions of his own. There were plans for a salarian home system questhub which just... never left the drawing board.
Earth was meant to be an extensive quest hub introducing Andersons second in command trying to find his sister and going from city to city on earth helping people and seeing your alien allied armies working together to help you depending on your choices.
Additionally certain choices could have escalated a subplot involving your squad mates possibly being exposed to indoctrination if you fked up. The ending would have had wildly different concluding scenarios based on your choices.
Jesus...that sounds like they should have made most of that DLC to make up for what was cut. This is why everyone bemoaned them joining EA. We all knew they were gonna mess up Bioware. They forced a crappy Dragon Age 2 to come out, made a bare bones Mass Effect 2 and then cut over a year of development off Mass Effect 3. I don't care that EA is pretending to be for the fans these days, I'm never buying anything with their logo attached to it
I can't imagine Quarians ever looking close to Drell. They have always been and will always be human approximations and vice versa. When I saw that design, I didn't think of a quarian, I thought of D'Vorah from Mortal Kombat
But both Drell and Quarians come from arid worlds, plus the Quarians are said to be similar to Turians in some regards, made me wish that the Quarians had a bit more alien look to them
@@segevkrespi8609 the only similarity that I can remember is Dextro acid sequence and that's all
@@Just_a-guy yeah you're right, that's it. But still, I kinda expected them not to look so human, we already have the asari in that slot
That doesn't look anything like a Drell, what are you talking about??
@@Just_a-guy Grunt also say that Quarians are not so squishy as Humans, Salarians, and Asari. As all races wear armor so I was expecting some sort of nature armouring or scales.
Never blame the devs. EA and most other big companies are the really enemy
Yes and no
Dev are bad but also software house and directors sometimes are the same eh(basically gears 1 and bioshock 3 were saved by Rod)
If we're talking about bioware well also they don't joke with their bullshit ideas even the plot
I dunno man, Casey buying a stock photo and photoshopping it himself is fucking abhorrent. Especially when they already had commissioned art from actually talented artists!
If he had the power to decide what Tali looked like and was able to create the "final" shot of her himself, he could have picked an official design from the art they'd commissioned already and use THAT instead.
As much as I love hating on EA, this one is *also* on Hudson's shoulders. As are many of the other reasons that have since lead to the downfall of Bioware
Callisto Protocol was created by "free and creative artist"
Dead Space 1 Remake was created by "soulless corporation that ruins everything"
@@TheArklyte ok aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?
Callisto Protocol is also a souless game that try to be a DS 2.0 but worse
and btw remake can go fuck itself since the game fucked up the faces
@@TheArklytehy you had to pick such and old game to defend the corporation? They publish a lot of games every year.
(Because you know all the games sucks)
I will say, both are pretty even if one was rushed, and I like that she has hair at least visible in the original. Not sure how I feel about a potentially bald tali 💀
I see your concerns but I believe quarians still posess hair. They do have eyebrows so I am pretty sure they also have hair on their heads and even though it's only stockphoto, the original picture of Tali shows her with hair so I doubt they'd retcon again. Just likely they have it beneath some kind of head cover beneath the helmet.
@Rimeau rub it for good luck
Well, you can try that is...
If you look it up some articles confirms quarians have hair
@@ChristianGonzalez-qu6fs Who the hell wrote Those articles, Joker? He seemed to be interested in alien hair and Their biology
@@inserisciunnome "I'm not telling you if my hair tentacles move!"
Had they been given just a couple months and some extra wads of cash, it would've been the best trilogy to ever grace the earth so far as 2023.
Even with ME3 being rushed and having a controversial ending, it's still the greatest trilogy ever made. But it's sad to think about how much better it could have been.
A couple of months and some extra wads of cash would have been allocated to 4 more multi-player maps and 10 new weapons. Online multi-player was heavily pushed by EA and still is to this day.
@@bryanbogard5359 Sad but true
the stock image they used back in the day was perfect imo.
Thr new one is better
@@AntiSocialismo50 Nah.
This was unforgivable for them to do. This was pivotal in many people's experience of Mass Effect and they phoned it in, I don't want to hear any bs excuses.
No, the legendary one is better
That ain't tali, that's ventress
There is a Tali face mod
“I’ve got secret, inside information that everybody already knows about” lmfao 😂
Tali is proof you can fall in love with someone and never see their face until you've fallen head over heels. She's easily one of the best characters in the entire universe.
Deadline stress really suck! 😂
Bro REALLY pulled a “My dad works for Nintendo” move 😂
Well both photos are terrible: the first for the reasons stated in the video, the second because you'd expect the photo to be without her helmet (though of course the fan art itself is beautiful, it's clearly not created to fill that role).
Also, yes I will blame Casey Hudson, or Bioware in general. They had since ME1 to work out what the quarians looked like, and at least since ME2 they knew Tali was a love interest and would need to show her face.
In visual storytelling terms, it's a travesty that there was just a bad photo, and not even a conversation with her without the helmet.
Tali? You mean that chick that got pulverized in the Collectors' base vents?
:-)
first time I played she died jn the vents. No fking clue why. Should have sent Jacob or Miranda 😂
@@terrykingpin1452 lmao true. But Miranda at least gets some development. I feel bad for Jacob's character cause he's so hot 😔
In this edition of ‘No Shit Sherlock’…
Either way, she's still best girl in my eyes. Tali is waifu for life son.
I mean we knew this like a week after the game came out. It was a huge talking point around the game.
"Here, on your map" 😁
Pull a Revan moment.
Tali was bae
Oh I don't blame Hudson for the picture. I understand. That ending tho....
Yeah, I seem to remember him saying the ending wasn't just going to be red, green, or blue...lol. I'll blame him and Mac for the story and ending of 3.
Thanks for giving everyone nightmares
The only character I named one of my cats after. RIP Tali, you were a good kitty
I always imagined her as a purple smoke lady.
I'm so glad they had no time. That concept art they showed would have been like romancing a Turian. No thank you.
The original concept art version looks scary af imo
It's actually really funny, I remember seeing that specific art years ago as a kid and thinking how I would've much rather seen that
That first picture is VILE 😭
Oh, no, I completely believe the stuck Tali's stock image face on there last second.
At least the new face is how I imagined her to be even with the photoshop. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
His influence stopped Kai Leng, and he held the line
I was happy with the virtual art in the legendary edition
This video is a " my father works at Nintendo or sony" moment lol
We’ve known this for ya know, a decade
The Normandy's Resident Best Girl was Kelly f***ing Chambers
Didn’t shut fuck a vorcha or something? And then spread an set from said vorcha through the Normandy crew
@@nomad-8260 nah, that was obviously Garrus
Given the short notice, it's still a good stand in.
Man thinks his friend is uncovering MASSIVE news lol
I can believe EA put the devs under lots of pressure. But the game was delayed by almost half a year from early Q4 2011 to late Q1 2012. There's an archived IGN podcast where Bioware leads did an interview, and I'm paraphrasing here. They said EA gave them the time to finish the game right, and they got so much time they were basically spinning tires before release. That podcast can be found, it's a little long, but I think Hudson really liked that pic, and wanted Tali to be seen as an exotic beauty. Hudson Found that stock photo and wanted her to be tali.
I think the final face suggests non-backward knees
That new pic in LE literally broke my heart. That is not Tali
They did Matt Rhodes, original designer of Tali's face, so dirty.
The funniest thing in ME3 is the 2D sushi at the party.
Wish they kept the mistery, first time i saw her photo in ME3 i was like "that's it? No reptile or fish face? Just a purple human face?"
Btw, Bioware acquaintance? This has been known for years🗿
Porque cara de pez si no vivia bajo el agua? Y porque cara de reptil si su mundo es parecido al humano
Took my like back after this dude tried saying his friend was an insider 💀
Shit, I freaking fucking love the music from Mass Effect, fucking genius BioWare
I like the more human looking Tali.
The Quarians are like Battlestar Galactica, and them being more human makes them more sympathetic with "what if humans had to flee Earth, and what would happen to them?"
I was like, this is a secret? But seriously, the time constraint they had was insane for ME3. To this day I wish they had not rushed it.
Your source is one who have read from freaking wiki, I knew this since I was 12.
People when stockimages is used what it's actually there for 🤯🤯
I’m actually completely ok with the last minute photo shop.
Inside source indeed lmaooo
Ah, the Bioware Magic...
Javik days that Quarians were considered attractive, even in his cycle.
If only Mass effect 3 has the development time they need.....
By secret friend he means google 😂
the timeline EA gave them was huge and agreed upon at the start in the contract. Bioware fudged development and kept asking for extensions. EA eventually had to say no as shareholders were getting fed up of Casey Hudson's excuses. I love throwing mud at EA but this one wasn't their fault.
would have been pissed if they made her green and bold 😂
That picture is fine.
everyone since it came out: this seems like a last second photoshop!
This guy: believe it or not, i have a source inside bioware (who wasn't even there when me3 was being made since most that staff is gone now) who says this was a last minute photoshop!
Dude's just the most amazing guy. did you guys also know his dad works for nintendo?
Even knowing the original picture's origin, I never minded it. I also don't mind the new picture, but I wish our dialogue options could influence which picture showed up.
Personally, I would have it influenced by decisions made in Tali & Legion's loyalty missions. Note that these scenarios assume the Quarians survive their war, regardless if the Geth do as well.
In the former, the last decision (save for giving the evidence, of course) would be a determining factor. If you picked the above options on the right, you would guarantee Tali's photo result regardless of the end-choice in Legion's loyalty mission: if you select [Rally the Crowd], the photo would have the partially masked Tali since she still feels a massive bond with the Flotilla; if you denied finding evidence, then the photo would show Tali without the mask since she's exiled. Exonerating Tali herself, however, would put Tali's "facial identity" on the fence (until Legion's mission) since she experienced both Shepard's defense and a reminder of her service to the fleet.
The end result of Legion's loyalty mission, should you exonerate Tali yourself, would show its effects from which side takes the most hits at first: if you destroy the Heretic Station, the Quarians have the biggest start and, even though she voted against it, Tali wouldn't feel the effects as greatly and her photo would have her half-masked; if you rewrite the Heretics, the Quarians feel the effects of their pre-emptive strike while the Geth benefit, fully proving Tali correct and guaranteeing her photo as fully unmasked.
Of course, should you skip Legion's loyalty mission, Tali would be fully unmasked for the reason above.