This Amazing EV Charging Station Is Mainland Europe’s Most Popular Tesla Supercharger!
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I should have also mentioned that this is one of the superchargers that’s open to public use further expanding open CCS availability.
Inside they also have an air compressor and mobile windshield washing station which I unfortunately missed. Can’t wait to come back and see this place when it’s fully completed!
The baker Schüren is behind the Seed&Greet. He put up solar on his bakery in Hilden over 10 years ago, and started the "Ladekreuz Hilden" in front of his bakery. Some 12 or so Type 2 22kW public chargers that, another first, can be started by swiping your normal EC Maestro bank card. He carried that over to the Seed&Greet fast charging hub. All those AC chargers around the perimeter are for slower charging cars that do not have DC-fast charging on board. Also his employees can park and charge there while they are at work. My favourite charging location!
Biased, ofcourse, but Fastned is the gold standard to hold all the other CCS charging companies to with a 99+% uptime. You probably didn't test this at the time, but I am quite sure that *all* the Fastned chargers there would have worked without issue with normal speeds.
It is the charging network I will happily drive to with 2% battery, because the company breathes reliability.
This was privately designed and funding organised by a local baker, Roland Schüren. Pitty you not only missed the Tesla pool but getting a tour with this guy as the story of the Seed&Greet Ladepark is beyond amazing (just ask Elon how difficult it is to get anything done in Germany).
Great rewiew! Thank you for visiting us, dear Kyle. If I had known that you were coming, I would have liked it to guide and explain you the whole site. Electric regards
Roland Schüren
@out of spec reviews he's the ower.
Amazing!Just adding cover/shade to the charging areas in America would be a big upgrade.
We need facilities like this in America! Charging in the corner of a Walmart parking lot is mildly acceptable when it works, but this is so much better.
Yeah, all of our charging in the US seems like a very after thought.
Ok Elizabeth Warren! The electric grid is already fragile enough as Texans and Californians are throttled in their AC. So what unicorn fart tech do you propose will feed this electricity??
Agreed, charging in the far corner or the back of store as if you are undesirable and putting yourself at risk of being robbed is not the way to transition to EV. Just like there are fueling station everywhere, charging station need to be the same.
Yes, someone needs to send this to Mayor Pete!
@@Whole_Leash_It much like our US mass transportation failures compared to Europe. Too much capitalism leads to greedy hands that influence govt contracts and leave planning to greedy CEOs instead of actual city and interstate planners.
You missed that there are windshield washers inside the shop as well as battery powered vacuum cleaners for free there too.
Also the new building will host two wind turbines!
Also the food inside is absolutely great and made carbon neutral
Sure carbon neutral. What makes the electricity to power all those chargers? Russian natural gas.
@@PD-we8vf No it's Russian "processed" gas
@@PD-we8vf
That's explained in the video. It's powered mostly by the solar panels on the roof. The solar energy collected is stored in batteries, so you can use it even when charging at night.
@@ab-tf5fl sure Jan. I’m sure it’s all powered by solar. What is the carbon footprint on those battery banks and solar panels?
@@PD-we8vf Better then that of cole or natural gas, at least after a couple of years. The longer the PV is generating electricity, the better the carbon footprint will be.
Reminds me of a 1960s drive-in resturaunt. I love it!
What an amazing facility. I wish we had stuff like that in the US.
We meet up there about every Saturday for coffee and chats with friends. It’s been a long journey for Roland to get this up and running and just goes to show what one man with a vision can do.
Remember when Your delegates at the UN laughed at Trump, when he told you the truth. That relying on Russian natural gas would get you in trouble? Hehe whose laughing now? It’s going to be a cold cold winter for you and your leeches. You will burn whatever you can find to stay warm this winter. Or you will give into the Russians like you do your wife’s boyfriend every Saturday night.
The founder of this location is Roland Schüren (along with some investors). He is the guy behind the backery chain schüren which is also at this location.
You alluded to the main question regarding all of these Euro mega-charging stations: How are they funded both initially and on-going, and what is the business plan? Without knowing this it's hard to evaluate how they can be installed in the US.
This charging station is actually built by a local baker. They use a lot of electric vehicles in their fleet. I don't think he would built this without getting some money out of it.
Fastned is funded by a Dutch company, Tesla is Tesla. Don’t know about the slow chargers though
@@MrGoogle87 The slow chargers are from Seed&Greet themselves. They are in preperation for the office building that will be built there.
Bit of a old thread but it is becoming clear that Charging providers are actually making money, compared to gas stations (very little actual profit for the owner, highly subsidised by car washes and snacks)
One HYC 300 charging station (from a Bozen, North Italy company) is 80,000 €, they have six, so the FastNed chargers are worth 0.5 million. Add the solar and battery packs and I guess, the installation cost for the Non-Tesla part should be around 1 million €. The charging fee for, on average, for 24/7 100kW one car - per year - is 0.5 million €. Of course, they will charge a lot more at peak hours, or none at a slow night. But on average, they should be able to return their investment within about 5 years, I guess. Assuming that they make some money from their bakery so they have staff left to look for the chargers to be ok. Maybe, when calculating a bit more conservativley, this should return within 10 years at least. Not great for a greedy capitalist but doable, still.
😂 Can't believe you were 3 minutes from our home. We use the "all you can charge" option there all the time. Prices went from €3,50 - €8 - €12 to now €16 I think. Still an OK deal if you charge from 10%. Electricity is expensive here. This has actually been around for years already .. it's a local baker that already had another charging park in Hilden and uses a fleet of electric vehicles for his bakery.
Just wait until this winter. It's going to get even more expensive as your leaders have chosen to attack putin, who supplies all your oil gas and coal! Haha I'm so sorry...
Thanks for the tip, will be going there in September when driving from Holland to Venice, Italy!
Any plans on doing a video on a Kempower setup? Sounds really promising! Björn has done a really cool demo on the backend side, and Plug Life made a great explanation on the concept, but I think your viewers would be interested as well.
america NEEDS MORE CHARGING STATIONS LIKE THE ONE IN THIS VIDEO, ARTISTS. ENGINEERS INCLUDING MYSELF. LETS DO THIS! PLEASE. i can see so much potential in ev if they standardize using credit cards like they do at gas stations and also freakin making big places like this look so beautiful. it would be awesome! HAVE A PLAYGROUND NEARBY AND A SMALL SHOP OR RESTERAUNT AND YOU CAN CALL IT A WORK OF ART! pull through stations with enough flexibility in the cables so there is no fuss. maybe some awning that can extend over the top making it a solid roof temperarily so to protect the ev in a storm from hail! this would be so big i swear someone needs to help do this and nobody will be able to do this on their own
Beautiful facility, thanks for the tour and your good work. Few comments come to mind from my experience owning a Hyundai Ioniq 5 for 4 months now and a home with solar panels.
1. This is a huge property and I can't see my WA state ever funding such a project unfortunately
2. If it was anywhere near Seattle, homeless encampments and bathroom vandalism would have destroyed something so nice (all our Freeway rest stops are trashed)
so our approach to crime would have to step up so that something as expensive as this facility isn't immediately ruined.
3. I've had good luck with the Electrify America stations near me but these European facilities are fantastic and seem more powerful and dependable
4. The solar panels are a nice touch but my 9.9 kW home solar system averages about 25 kWH per day over the course of an often cloudy Seattle year so it takes about 2 days of solar
to provide enough electricity for one charge. We should all keep in mind that Solar / E Cars are nice but they still need energy and that energy has to be made
somewhere (in USA I think it's still 25% coal generated)
5. Like you've often said, if EV are going to succeed, people need to know they have dependable charging for their road trips.
Thanks again for your great educational videos.
Ad 2. Seems like American society need to solve another problem first... Maybe include free homeless facilities with the same level of quality as charging as an operational requirement in the permit process?
Fastned supports the vehicle ID handshake so you only have to use the app once and then you can just plug in and charge.
Just returned yesterday from Germany and it seems that the number of Tesla superchargers are just exploding, new locations, old locations doubling chargers.
V3 Supercharger cabinets max at 350kVA continuous but can have DC buses between cabinets to better balance utilization across cabinets
What's wild is that Germany has big overhangs for their chargers, but here in AZ they're all just out in the hot Arizona sun.
We need more of this in the US, and not just EA in Walmart or Target parking lots.
Fastned has auto charge which starts automatically after the first time you enable it. So it works like Tesla.
Beats the heck out of charging in the corner of a Walmart parking lot.
I would be happy to have Walmart charging, the bar is so low for me right now
Walmart? Thats actually a great spot for bathrooms and something to do. There are so many in remote lots without bathrooms or retail outlets around.
@@aussie2uGA so true, nothing worse than being in the middle of nowhere waiting for your car to charge, fortunately I haven't had to do that in a long time.
@@rp9674 I agree. That is why I drive a gas powered truck. Max wait is 5 min to fill up the 33 gallon tank.
@@PD-we8vf good for you, I do not miss find gas or having to work on my car
In the US they can just add a ton of chargers to shopping malls and outlet malls and revitalize them that way.
That's a nice video. 😊 I'm looking forward to the time when I can use it for greening and play an active role.
Canada is decades behind on charge stations like this. I don’t know how we’re going to meet our current commitments. Even America is better off than what we have. Unless you live in Vancouver which is nowhere near this but decent. But if you live in Ontario, good luck finding anything outside Toronto proper.
I live 3 minutes away from Seed & Greet. It's announcement was the final nail for the decision to buy a Tesla back in 2020. You should have charged the Taycan at the Tesla Superchargers ;) Hilden is one of the few locations in germany that are already opened up to the public. Also great is the fact that Tesla Service Center Düsseldorf, Dortmund, Essen and Cologne are really near. Best place for Tesla drivers =)
Alpitronic HYC 300 has four 75 kW power units, each can either power the outlet directly in front of it, or can be combined with neighbour, but only 2+2 (150 kW left CCS, 150 kW right CCS) or all four (300 kW left or right CCS). Other combinations are not possible, ie 225 kW left + 75 kW right is not possible. Or if Chademo is occupied, the CCS on the same side can only do 75 kW. Upcoming HYC 400 model will have 8 modules by 50 kW and full mesh, ie every outlet available power in 50 kW steps. New Tritium 360 same design, but with 12 power modules at 30 kW, even better granularity. These are the chargers to wish for in new installations.
2:44 - Can you please give a Link to the Video where they show the "Behind the Scence" Magic?
Transport Evolved just posted a video of an amazing station in England. I so wish the US with catch up to Europe, and how they provide/support EV, charging with far superior infrastructure
This is the best supercharging location i have been. Nice to see the progress, when I was there it was still work in progress for the second row of chargers.
Let's hope for more and more of these amazing locations, hotel backyard charging is not really amazing
The site now also has a NIO battery-swap station, this was just being opened a few months ago when I was charding here.
I love these charging station reviews. They are really doing it right over there in Germany.
This is how all chargers should be built. Excellent
Looks great! We need covered working chargers here in the state. To add to this windshield washer bins and vacuums would be great time kills while you wait to have your car charged.
The level 2 chargers are probably "waiting" chargers. If the DCFC stalls are all full, you can slowly level 2 charge until one becomes available?
I would prefer to keep charging in Lone Pine, CA. The Supercharger has a front row seat to the highest peak in the lower 49. The Eastern Sierra rising so very high out of the valley is jaw dropping.
Huge FastNed fan! They have a lot of crazy cool installments!
Love these tours of EU charging sites Kyle. If our own US providers choose not build sites like this then shame them into action. Maybe you can make a video series of just charger installs in the countries you visit. Great video & thanks for posting.
At Estero, FL, Tesla installed 16 - V3 supercharger stalls plus 16 - level 2 destination charger stalls with generic J1772 handles. The slower stalls are free and offer only 2.9kW to keep users at the shopping mall for hours. I’d rather charge at home for $0.12/kWh.
What is also great is that as there are so many Tesla chargers, going there with a non-tesla should not cause issues if the cars charging port is on the wrong side. In case the fastneds are full
Hey Kyle you remember. Back in the old days. The little America truck stops. Had like a hundred or so pumps. Showers restaurants and gift shop. 1990 was the last time I was at one ..........be water my friend
Europe and Germany specifically are far more progressive with charging networks than in the USA. Having dedicated chargers for e-trucks and Ev's with trailers is very smart and quickly becoming a necessity.
Wow. Imagine if you could build these of main routes in the U.S . Vertical farming is the future as it is the City version of Farming, using less land and allowing re-wilding. Totally cool site.
Two weeks ago we travelled from The Netherlands to Sweden through Germany. We weren't as impressed with German chargers as you, mainly because the general coverage over the autobahns is not so good. The Netherlands doesn't have isolated, huge showpiece chargers like this, but it does have charging stations well spaced along the highways (and many not yet on Google Maps). I'm Dutch and biased of course, but that's what I found.
Yep, Kyle should drive 100km and count the number of locations 😉
I have to agree. Biased as well - being Dutch. EV charging in NL is still far superior to Germany. Norway are Switzerland amazing too. In Switzerland, most rest stops along the main roads have EV charging (50kW+) available, and the signs along the highway let you know ahead of time that there will be EV charging options, which makes it very easy to find them.
Fun fact: The IT center to be build will consume more energy than the charge park.
Maybe we should get some folks together and setup some up here in the states.
The 22 kW chargers are running 100% on solar!.
Great video. Thankyou !!!
Really enjoying your charing station reviews. Makes me wanna visit them when I pass nearby myself. Could you maybe leave a Google Maps link in the comments as well in the future? Thanks
It looks great but how in the world do they make it profitable? or at least revenue neutral? I can't imagine the construction cost alone for a comparable facility.
Amazing. Bring it to the US!
Kyle, thanks for great tour. It makes good sense to locate the high power Tesla cabinets close to its charger stalls. But, why are the battery cabinets so far away causing long, expensive cable runs?
This infarm thing is also in use at Autostadt in Wolfsburg actually
If you visit the chargingpark on saturday, you will find only a few free places.
Great video Kyle! We really need charging locations like that over here in America! Please do more videos to keep the pressure on! … George (Tesla YLR22)
The electric grid can’t handle it. Where do you think electricity comes from??
@@PD-we8vf Thin air
I'm actually surprised all Teslas are charging at the supercharger and not on Fastned. Fastned is cheaper with the right app as well as nearly all other networks too.
In my area if there's Allego, Fastned or whatever next to the supercharger you have more Teslas charging at those Alpitronic HPCs than other cars.
Completed in Oct 2021, right?
What are the 3 types of handles on the station you used?
The brick paving might be to let the water soak into the earth rather than a huge run-off.
CCS, Chademo & CCS. So on each you could charge 2 CCS cars or one CCS and one Chademo car like the Nissan Leaf. But Chademo is dead ;) EU is all in with CCS.
I like level 2 charging, it's cheaper and good for a little boost on the road, also I don't have DC fast charging on my Fiat. Unfortunately I see Tesla's at the level to charging near my job, 2 blocks from a supercharger station. Often they're just parking, blocking the spot.
How's that heating situation? Gonna be a cold winter.
Hopefully someone in the US will see potential in this concept here too. I always had this idea but I don't have the financial potencial unless I win the lottery.
Great review Kyle, thanks! Have stopped here several times when on my Brussels-Wuppertal-Brussels day trips in my Polestar2. I've been to many European countries in the Polestar and this is by far the best station anywhere! Fully agree this how life should be for us EV'ers everywhere 😎 As another viewer mentioned as well, since you filmed they've also installed two NIO battery-swap stations. Unfortunately my car doesn't like the FastNed chargers very much (even though I have a subscription) so I now always use the Tesla chargers (which as you know is possible for non-Tesla's throughout Europe) and they always work! Best of both worlds: Polestar build quality and the Tesla charging network 🙂 Keep up the good work please!
Here's one thing that's missing. If you just want to visit the restaurant and don't need to charge, where do you park? I don't see anywhere besides blocking one of the level 2's.
Next to the toilet (between his Taycan and toilet) there are several free slots under the Fastned Roof. I guess for 10 cars. And there's some room for parking around the battery containers too.
One question to the insiders. Is there a playground? What i miss sometimes on charging stations on tour with my family is some playground for the kids while the car gets charged.
Fastned new? They were actually early, having been founded in 2012.
When will gas station companies change to EVs or add a EV charging capability. In my neighborhood in CO, 5 new gas stations just went up!
Here in Europe they already do that - and some places they even put down the fuel pumps and place a charger stall at it's place.
In the Netherlands gas stations are becoming unmanned, or are being removed. And the larger gestations all have EV charging
@@Krylle This makes too much sense for America to adopt!😂
Fully agree. I believe there is a Wawa in Charlottesville, Va that has Tesla chargers in addition to gas. US needs legislation to require all new gas stations to include chargers and also require existing stations to replace pumps with chargers over next ten years, perhaps not starting for the next 3 years.
Because Germans built this with the expectation that they could keep receiving cheap a Russian natural gas. Now it’s cheaper to fill up a gas car than to charge their car. Trump warned them. They wouldn’t listen.
Great video.
Interesting that there seemed to be more Tesla's using the slower V2s, although some were older Ss (pre-facelifit) that maybe hadn't had the upgrade
If you want to go to the bistro, great pizza by the way, why not use the slower chargers?
wake up America, this is the future, and one heck of a good investment, love this video Kyle
Power source is solar? or solar + traditional electricity? 710 Kw peak hour solar is impressive
We need this in the U.S.
That’s awesome. The unfortunate thing is that in the USA the politicians are so wrapped up in the oil business, that they talk big about transition but do very little. If the USA was serious about transitioning to EV and getting away from ICE, they would provide investors and visionary funding to transform the interstate system with rest stops like these. Also, to get people to get out of their ICE car and into EV the government should provide a real incentive 10k at point of sale, and provide retroactive incentive to those who already switched. So much real potential being lost with these mindless politicians.
Thought you were going to say “I jumped in the pool “
Every Saturday EV owners from all around Germany meet at this Seed and Greet charging location to have some of the good food there and talk about electric mobility with other people interested in the topic.
Everyone is welcome there. So if you are interested in more of the details, the chances to meet people with more informations are good on Saturdays from 10 am to 1 pm. Sometimes Roland Schüren (the owner and founder of Seed and Greet) is there too.
Without that cheap natural gas that Trump warned you about, what will you burn to keep your house warm this winter?
@@PD-we8vf I personally don't have a problem if Germany doesn't get enough compressed natural gas (CNG) from Russia. My heating system at home runs on either liquefied petroleum gas, which I have enough in my tank for two winters, or on firewood, which I have enough for two winters too. So as long as the problem is solved within four years, my home will be warm during the winters.
My job and my relatives jobs are not affected by a gas shortage, so I don't see an impact on my income either.
My only concern is that other people might not be happy with the whole situation and that this leads to unpleasant riots in the streets. On the other hand germans don't tend to have a violent mindset if they are not happy with their situation.
I guess time will tell.
@@felixklusener5530Germans don’t have a violent mindset? Have you heard of Ww1 and 2? Do they not teach that in German schools? Time will tell for sure. Congrats on your preparation. What will you do when those “new” Germans who do come from violent, warmer places have their heat shut off and come to your doorstep in a mob and demand your food or your heat?
the NED in fastned stands for nederland. so yes, its dutch
Now I wonder where the coolest island charging station in Europe is. :)
12 out of 10. Now You Know.
710 kW peak solar system is almost 100x bigger than my home solar panel system of 9.9kW. Mine (granted in Seattle is not the ideal solar climate but let’s use for discussion purposes) produces 8800 kWH per year so enough (@50 per charge) to charge my car
176 times. So this Charging Facility solar system will roughly produce enough for 17600 annual charges; so 48 charges per day. Since the location has 100 charging stations it could potentially charge 4800 charges per day ( 30 minutes per charge).
So the point is; if the station is heavily used, the solar panels could potentially be producing enough for only 10% of the charges. The rest of the electricity must often come from hydro, Natural gas,, or here in the USA a lot is still made from coal.
I love my Ioniq 5 EV and love solar energy. But they both barely pencil out for middle class people. And like recycling , solar / EV adoption is great but we should be honest about where the energy comes from, still conserve, and imho talk much more about the need to lower the earth and USA population if the planet is to be saved.
Welcome to my world. 😉😉. One 1MGW installation is quite a small one. Biggest i monitor is Kristal Solar Park at Lommel, Belgium. A 100, yes 💯 MW installation. 0ver 300 000 solar panels. And nearby Dessel ( known for graspop metal festival) , a 7MW floating solar park. Both are the biggest ( land and water) build by Equans , formaly known as Engie. In total i monitor around 300 installations. From 70kw upto .....100MW.
Dude, you need to get your butt over to the UK and visit Gridserve at Braintree 👍 Loving the content, keep up the good work 😎
Are you planning to visit the UK
Just curious, would you ever consider learning a bit of German? I'm learning it at the moment and even with the little amount I have I find it really enriches the experience when in a German speaking country.
Why bother, they will soon all be taught to speak Russian, or Arabic.
The 'Mennekes' cable on V2 SuC in Germany are NOT Type 2 (AC 43kW max). They use the Type 2 protocol pins and parallel the N and L1pins for DC+ and L2 and L3 pins for DC-. Same does the CCS 2 adapter. All DC and 120kW max. or 150A per pin. I think the reason for this slightly odd arrangement was that the CCS2 port would not fit in the Model S X design space under the charge flap.
Correct. Wouldn't fit.. the new flap on the refresh S/X should fit CCS2.
Should also note that the cable has an extra key (or bit of plastic) that will prevent it fitting in a normal Type 2 plug where the car isn't designed to accept DC.
@@mark123655 Just to clarify: The cars side is a keyed socket accepting both SuC and Type 2 connectors. The German V2 SuC cable is keyed plug which doesn't mate with a standard Type 2 socket.
looks like the McDonalds here in Colorado
Fastned is founded in 2012. First stations in 2013. Euh new is quite relative 🤣🤣 this build is not their ’ signature’. New ones has a zigzag vorm, older have 2 arches. And most have only 4 to max 6 stalls. This location is exectional but futureproof, yes sir
october 2020 is 10 months ago?!
Is that the one with the jacuzzi?
I guess I should have watched a few minutes into the video! 🤪
Germany and the USA are very different politically and on the business front. The US has significant oil and gas interests while Germany has very little to gain from oil and gas.
And in the US we are installing broken chargers in the back of WalMart parking lots.
great video
Vertical farming is very much something that cities should be creating more of.
Maybe they have level two charging For EV‘s That are not Teslas and have low charging speeds
I think there are way more benefits for charging electric vehicles in large numbers on a destined premise, instead of charging at home.
which are?
@@OMGtehEPICNESSS Better manageble power infrastructure, higher current output, centralization, less high voltage cables in streets, less copper usage in all these cables...
@@HelloSwiftful But houses are already wired up for tens of kilowatts. Would be a waste not to use it.
The US is soooo far behind. We should have been leading the way with sites like this. Unfortunately, the US's attitude towards EVs is holding us back.
All these unique charging locations makes me want to go on a road trip there in a Tesla!
Commendable!
Fastned and Tesla have done a fab new charging station just outside Oxford UK. 👌
And at 100 Euros per kwh, how economical will that be?
I just looked up Fastned. Doesn't look like they are profitable. They say because they are growing. I have my doubts. Facilities like this are great but I suspect the initial install and maintenance kill any profitability. I hope I'm wrong. I think the best business case is that each new ev sold new has an Ev charger contribution fee that goes to a charging business with the shareholders being the car companies that sell EVs. I'm no socialist but the tax payer can kick in some seed funding which should be paid back. Costs can be recouped through solar, leasing out reatil, accommodation and office space
Definitely profitable, just investing heavily. Fastned has excellent stations.
I love going there on my trips through Germany!
I did not fully grok how behind the US is until watching this video......
‘I don’t see anything missing here” - I do……….. the entire site appears to be inaccessible to disabled/wheelchair using drivers - huge kerbs, big raised blocks to prevent cars backing up close enough to the chargers, no dropped kerbs and no easy manhandling of the heavy charging cables. Charge place designers need to wake up to the fact that there are disabled drivers of EV who also need to charge their cars. It seems that disabled drivers only have access only to 22kW and 7kW chargers here.
Your living the life Kyle