Of course it's a Canyon! This is my favourite type of RUclips content - stuff getting repaired and restored! My friend had a carbon chain stay repaired and you couldn't tell it had been damaged afterwards - it's amazing how well they can do the paint job as well.
Love the idea I am all for making repair and refurbishment more mainstream (while also advocating for doing it with your head attached) Gonna follow this closely! Good luck Dan!
Chainstay is totally repairable - bought a SuperSix Evo with the exact same damage and am going to repair it myself. There is a big smoke and mirrors aura around carbon but in reality it is not too tricky at all to work with. Most important thing is the quality of the repair elements (i.e. carbon sheets plus epoxy and a good tight vacuum wrap and seal to minimise the chance of any voids).
I have this model, bought last year, I upgraded to di2 but it;s a great bike, comfy and a beautiful ride. It will be good when finished, and the frame looks repairable.
Love the idea Dan! Also love Mat Armstrong and modifying cars and bikes so I’ve hit subscribe! Not keen on the background music however! Can’t wait to see the next episode. 😊
Great choice, I have a newer version but same bike and they’re great. Wheels are decent for training and hillier courses, disc cover was my next upgrade then a tri spoke! Rubber tool store is a pain really, lot of water gets in, keep thinking about finding a 3d printed replacement
Nice! I do love the Canyons as well. This will be a great watch Dan, looking forward to seeing how it goes! PS: I really enjoyed your 3T Exploro video! would love to grab one of those but they are so difficult to get hold of when you are over 6ft!
I've gone through a similar process recently and ended up going for a new Elves Amanyar instead of 2nd hand. Should be arriving in the next few weeks. Got all the bits either OEM or ebay, so the complete bike is a little over £2k, minus the wheels and crankset I already had.
I’m not sure to be honest! I wanted something with disc brakes and just fancied a new bike, I’d had the Felt 4 years now and I’ve more modern bikes offer lots of advantages to me, bigger tyre clearance and so on :)
We have repaired many speedmax models. Some with the exact damage and from turbo trainer use. We see left hand seat stay to be the bigger issue. My advice is repair and enjoy, follow up the front end warranty and enjoy the bike but definitely think aluminium bike for the smart trainer use especially bigger kg and size owners.
Thanks very much! Turbo is an interesting point, I’ve never had a bike break but it does seem a lot of stress, I think canyon advise not to use their bikes on a turbo if I remember rightly?
Congratulations Dan, I have been hoping this would happen for you for a while now. Repair it, paint it blue, put the sram groupset from the felt on it, sell everything else that's not a canyon and get the show on the road for next year.
Love it, I actually also like they yellow. I will be interesting to see witch bike tour on or 3rd option fix/clean them both you will make a little cash and you can perhaps find a super bike you can afford with the profits and the combined investment
It’s growing on me! Yes I’d be interested to see it, might have to put it on an eBay auction or something. I still couldn’t bring myself to spend big money on a bike though 🤣🤷♂️
Had my carbon frame repaired by CBT Coalville earlier this year after a crash and they did a great job... The damage was worse than on the Canyon as well, so I suspect it won't be too much trouble to repair. Have fun stripping the bike down and rebuilding it to get repaired though 😂
I’ve used CBT too, like i said, the repair will be stiff, lots of carbon overlay. It will be a good price tho….and the repair itself won’t break, they’ll make sure of that. So it depends…if you want good enough; or a top level repair (i.e. insurance level) that would cost a lot more and may or may not be better 🤷♂️🤣). You should make friends with Raul Moat.
I've had speedmax with the v21 issue for 3 years now and bike well ridden. Really quite disconcerting that they have only now found injury risk fault. Tried emailing for a full bike replacement but as you've said, seems to be some fork replacement and reinforcement repair. Not sure how happy I am with that to be honest but wait and see. Will be very interested to see how you repair a cracked frame, thought only way to repair that was a replacement. Nice looking bike though. Can't believe Liz has let you purchase 3 TT bikes though!
Yes it’s weird isn’t it, it’s like they’ve indicated what the repair will be but not actually when or how it will be carried out, just feels strange they didn’t have all of that mapped out when they issued the recall. As you say, it doesn’t feel super re-assuring but we’ll just have to wait and see. Good to hear that yours has been fine though, I’m going to take the cockpit off of this one and have a look at the steerer
@@TriathlonDan Since you bought the bike 2nd hand you might want to send Canyon an email to make sure the ownership is transmitted to you. Otherwise you might not be mapped as the owner in their internal system. I also bought a 2nd hand Speedmax, added it to my garage, but they only transferred it "officially" after I sent them a receipt. I only became aware of it after messaging them about the V21 stem recall.
Presumably even if it ends up as a trainer mule post repair you can strip all the parts off and build up on a new frame so probably still makes economic sense assuming you got a decent discount on it. Always blows my mind how expensive frame only vs bottom end prebuilt is though (looking at you argon 18 e-117)
It was cheap enough that I could sell the wheels & groupset and break even, back of the envelope maths anyway. Yes I agree, it’s like they don’t want you to buy the frame only at all, canyon used to be the same
Hmm yes, I think the mis-matched fork would have been a problem for resale and he’d still be a further 1.1k deep, so would need to sell it for over double that to be any better off I guess
What are you doing with the cervelo? I’m currently looking for a triathlon bike and struggling with being 6’3. You don’t need 2 😉 I’ve started to get tempted to buy a new speedmax but rather get one second hand but just can’t find any
I can’t believe someone with the money for this bike new, rode it with the plastic discs still on the wheels 😅 it’s like they cashed it the first time they rode it and then realised riding a TT bike wasn’t for them. I hope its repairable and you end up with a bargain 🎉
Im not sure who you're using to repair it Dan but I've had a couple of bikes repaired by CBT in Coalville, I would highly recommend them and im a very fussy customer.
What a great idea I'm tempted to maybe get a tt bike in future but the price puts me off. Currently I'm using clip on bars and a EZ disc on my super six Evo. Would you say I'm best off sticking to my road bike or buying a tt bike.
Cheers! If you’ve got a well dialled road bike with clip on bars I wouldn’t go out of my way to get a TT bike, not ‘that’ much difference at the amateur level
I’d imagine most people including myself would think, no chance, I’d just never trust it but these carbon repair guys must know what they are doing. I think Cam Nicholls has had frames inspected before, that for me would be key, I’d be more concerned about things I couldn’t see with the naked eye. Great project idea though 👍
Not sure yet to be honest, I’m going to tidy it up, get out on it for a couple of rides and then hopefully do the same with the speedmax and come to some sort of conclusion 😬
crazy that there some much issue with carbon and stems... I had 5 big crashes with my giants tcr it just bounces back and nothing to repair for the last 5 years (60k ridden)...
Carbon steerer tubes just beg for problems in my opinion, I’d assume alloy would be better but I’m not an engineer. Haha nice one, good you’re ok and that the bike survives each time!
Hi dan don't know if you are aware. I have this bike and received a email last week from cayon not to ride this bike anymore as it has a problem the v21 areostem . The old owner should of got the email. Happy to forward you the email. Cayon are fixing in December.
I have one in black. I would recommend replacing the small tool box with an aftermarket version that is much bigger & still allows an aero bottle on the down tube (I think it was Radsport Ibert or 4frames). I also bought the smaller bento box from Canyon & dropped the stem by 1cm (basically taking out the spacer). Will be interested to see if you find a solution for the front brake hose, this is the only thing that bugs me with the bike. I raced it at Ironman Hamburg & Ironman Italy this year. No problems at all 👌
This is hurting my brain 🤣 Canyon would be making more money than the seller in this scenario and it would be more expensive certainly for me and maybe for the seller. He’d have to hope that he would achieve 1.1k more through having a new frame, but with it being a mismatched colour I’m not sure he would have done
@ gotcha. Didn’t realize it would cost that much. I thought it would be a warranty replacement with minimal cost as opposed to just a discounted frame. Sounds like great content ahead. Cheers!
I'm not going to sugar coat this for you Dan . . . this does not seem like a smart purchase. "Broken bike with a recalled stem that has no known fix at the time of purchase". 🤔
If you bring it to a carbon repair place, you're not a Mat Armstrong of bikes, they are. Try to repair it yourself. That makes for interesting content.
Of course it's a Canyon! This is my favourite type of RUclips content - stuff getting repaired and restored! My friend had a carbon chain stay repaired and you couldn't tell it had been damaged afterwards - it's amazing how well they can do the paint job as well.
Thanks very much, hopefully they’ll do a good job 😬
Love the idea I am all for making repair and refurbishment more mainstream (while also advocating for doing it with your head attached)
Gonna follow this closely!
Good luck Dan!
Thanks very much :)
Chainstay is totally repairable - bought a SuperSix Evo with the exact same damage and am going to repair it myself. There is a big smoke and mirrors aura around carbon but in reality it is not too tricky at all to work with. Most important thing is the quality of the repair elements (i.e. carbon sheets plus epoxy and a good tight vacuum wrap and seal to minimise the chance of any voids).
Brilliant, thanks very much, I’m taking it to ‘a place’ soon :)
Love this sort of content, especially over the down season through winter. Good luck with the project.
Cheers! Perfect time of year for bike fiddling 😬
I have this model, bought last year, I upgraded to di2 but it;s a great bike, comfy and a beautiful ride. It will be good when finished, and the frame looks repairable.
Nice one, I think I’ll do the same :)
Really looking forward to seeing this process
Cheers me too 😬
LOL... i almost bought this bike! look forward to following the journey to getting it fixed and back on the road.
Haha funny 🤣 sorry! Updates coming in the next couple of weeks, you dodged a bullet with the cockpit recall though!
Mix of Triathlon and Mat Armstrong absolutely amazing, can't wait 🔥
Cheers!
Love the idea Dan! Also love Mat Armstrong and modifying cars and bikes so I’ve hit subscribe! Not keen on the background music however! Can’t wait to see the next episode. 😊
Thanks very much! Haha think I left the volume too high 🤣
Wishing you the best of luck with that beautiful bike.
Thanks :)
this is awesome. if you could be the Mat Armstrong of bicycles this is content I'd definitely tune in for.
@@hockysa cheers! I’ll do what I can 😬
Target composites in Northwich repaired my MTB frame including a paint match. Couldn’t tell it had been damaged once they had finished.
Nice one, hoping this will be the same 😬
This will do numbers! Great idea
Cheers!
This is an epic idea! Also watch MA looking forward to seeing some bike builds 🚴🚴🚴
Cheers!
Great choice, I have a newer version but same bike and they’re great. Wheels are decent for training and hillier courses, disc cover was my next upgrade then a tri spoke! Rubber tool store is a pain really, lot of water gets in, keep thinking about finding a 3d printed replacement
Nice one thanks very much! Someone else said radsport make a 3D printed one, I’ll check it out
Nice! I do love the Canyons as well. This will be a great watch Dan, looking forward to seeing how it goes! PS: I really enjoyed your 3T Exploro video! would love to grab one of those but they are so difficult to get hold of when you are over 6ft!
Thanks very much :) ah yes bikes as a whole are more difficult in big sizes aren’t they :( nice bike that 3T
I've gone through a similar process recently and ended up going for a new Elves Amanyar instead of 2nd hand. Should be arriving in the next few weeks. Got all the bits either OEM or ebay, so the complete bike is a little over £2k, minus the wheels and crankset I already had.
Love this! Sounds great. I’ve got an Amanyar on the way as well, just a frameset but I’ll build it up with parts off my old bike and see how that goes
I love your Formula, please more content like this
Thanks!
Do you expect your canyon to be quicker than your FELT? What was your reason for getting a new tri bike? Thanks
I’m not sure to be honest! I wanted something with disc brakes and just fancied a new bike, I’d had the Felt 4 years now and I’ve more modern bikes offer lots of advantages to me, bigger tyre clearance and so on :)
We have repaired many speedmax models. Some with the exact damage and from turbo trainer use. We see left hand seat stay to be the bigger issue. My advice is repair and enjoy, follow up the front end warranty and enjoy the bike but definitely think aluminium bike for the smart trainer use especially bigger kg and size owners.
Thanks very much! Turbo is an interesting point, I’ve never had a bike break but it does seem a lot of stress, I think canyon advise not to use their bikes on a turbo if I remember rightly?
Congratulations Dan, I have been hoping this would happen for you for a while now. Repair it, paint it blue, put the sram groupset from the felt on it, sell everything else that's not a canyon and get the show on the road for next year.
Hahaha this is exactly that I’m thinking 🤣
Very interesting, good stuff!
Thanks very much :)
Love it, I actually also like they yellow. I will be interesting to see witch bike tour on or 3rd option fix/clean them both you will make a little cash and you can perhaps find a super bike you can afford with the profits and the combined investment
It’s growing on me! Yes I’d be interested to see it, might have to put it on an eBay auction or something. I still couldn’t bring myself to spend big money on a bike though 🤣🤷♂️
Had my carbon frame repaired by CBT Coalville earlier this year after a crash and they did a great job... The damage was worse than on the Canyon as well, so I suspect it won't be too much trouble to repair. Have fun stripping the bike down and rebuilding it to get repaired though 😂
Nice one! They’re based in Derby now I think, will see what they say! Haha yes I love a good bike strip down / rebuild anyway 🤣
I’ve used CBT too, like i said, the repair will be stiff, lots of carbon overlay. It will be a good price tho….and the repair itself won’t break, they’ll make sure of that. So it depends…if you want good enough; or a top level repair (i.e. insurance level) that would cost a lot more and may or may not be better 🤷♂️🤣). You should make friends with Raul Moat.
I've had speedmax with the v21 issue for 3 years now and bike well ridden. Really quite disconcerting that they have only now found injury risk fault. Tried emailing for a full bike replacement but as you've said, seems to be some fork replacement and reinforcement repair. Not sure how happy I am with that to be honest but wait and see. Will be very interested to see how you repair a cracked frame, thought only way to repair that was a replacement. Nice looking bike though. Can't believe Liz has let you purchase 3 TT bikes though!
Yes it’s weird isn’t it, it’s like they’ve indicated what the repair will be but not actually when or how it will be carried out, just feels strange they didn’t have all of that mapped out when they issued the recall. As you say, it doesn’t feel super re-assuring but we’ll just have to wait and see. Good to hear that yours has been fine though, I’m going to take the cockpit off of this one and have a look at the steerer
Also it’s easier to ask for forgiveness 🤣
@@TriathlonDan Since you bought the bike 2nd hand you might want to send Canyon an email to make sure the ownership is transmitted to you. Otherwise you might not be mapped as the owner in their internal system. I also bought a 2nd hand Speedmax, added it to my garage, but they only transferred it "officially" after I sent them a receipt. I only became aware of it after messaging them about the V21 stem recall.
Looking forward to this series great idea and something missing from the you tube space
Thanks very much :)
Presumably even if it ends up as a trainer mule post repair you can strip all the parts off and build up on a new frame so probably still makes economic sense assuming you got a decent discount on it.
Always blows my mind how expensive frame only vs bottom end prebuilt is though (looking at you argon 18 e-117)
It was cheap enough that I could sell the wheels & groupset and break even, back of the envelope maths anyway. Yes I agree, it’s like they don’t want you to buy the frame only at all, canyon used to be the same
Can’t believe the original owner didn’t go for the warranty replacement and *then* sell it.
Surely better for everyone.
Hmm yes, I think the mis-matched fork would have been a problem for resale and he’d still be a further 1.1k deep, so would need to sell it for over double that to be any better off I guess
What are you doing with the cervelo? I’m currently looking for a triathlon bike and struggling with being 6’3. You don’t need 2 😉 I’ve started to get tempted to buy a new speedmax but rather get one second hand but just can’t find any
Not sure yet tbh, I need to ride it and tidy it up a bit, then make a decision about what stays or what goes 😬👍
I can’t believe someone with the money for this bike new, rode it with the plastic discs still on the wheels 😅 it’s like they cashed it the first time they rode it and then realised riding a TT bike wasn’t for them. I hope its repairable and you end up with a bargain 🎉
Haha cheers, I think I left mine on my first bike for a while 🤣👍
Solid new bike you can get it repair. It was around 400 usd to repair when I fix my frame back in 2012 for my current downtube.
Cheers! Yes I’m hoping it’s around there!
Who do you use for your repainting?
It’s a friend who doesn’t do it commercially, runs a car body shop
Target composites should be your first call. They are the best for carbon repairs.
Cheers! I’ve got somewhere a bit more local pencilled in so I don’t have to box it up etc but I’ll keep them in mind!
Who are Shram ? Have Shimano and Sram merged to form Shram ?
Oops that should have been under embargo 🤣
Im not sure who you're using to repair it Dan but I've had a couple of bikes repaired by CBT in Coalville, I would highly recommend them and im a very fussy customer.
This is great to hear, it’s going to CBT when canyon sort the fork issue out :) cheers! They’re based more locally now too, Derby
Why didn't he offer it to you with the new frame?
@@nomadcarpenter8549 it would make the deal too expensive as Canyon would be taking 1.1k out of it
What a great idea I'm tempted to maybe get a tt bike in future but the price puts me off. Currently I'm using clip on bars and a EZ disc on my super six Evo. Would you say I'm best off sticking to my road bike or buying a tt bike.
Cheers! If you’ve got a well dialled road bike with clip on bars I wouldn’t go out of my way to get a TT bike, not ‘that’ much difference at the amateur level
@@TriathlonDan it's quite hilly where I live so I prefer the road bike so that's good to hear thanks 🙏🙏
I’d imagine most people including myself would think, no chance, I’d just never trust it but these carbon repair guys must know what they are doing. I think Cam Nicholls has had frames inspected before, that for me would be key, I’d be more concerned about things I couldn’t see with the naked eye. Great project idea though 👍
Come on Pat live life on the edge 🤣 I’ll check out his vids!
What you doing with the Cervello Dan??
Not sure yet to be honest, I’m going to tidy it up, get out on it for a couple of rides and then hopefully do the same with the speedmax and come to some sort of conclusion 😬
@TriathlonDan Cheers. Sounds like a plan. 👏👏
there is callback on all Canyon recent CF models
Yep saw that, hopefully Canyon sort a fix for it soon :)
crazy that there some much issue with carbon and stems... I had 5 big crashes with my giants tcr it just bounces back and nothing to repair for the last 5 years (60k ridden)...
Carbon steerer tubes just beg for problems in my opinion, I’d assume alloy would be better but I’m not an engineer. Haha nice one, good you’re ok and that the bike survives each time!
Hi dan don't know if you are aware. I have this bike and received a email last week from cayon not to ride this bike anymore as it has a problem the v21 areostem . The old owner should of got the email. Happy to forward you the email. Cayon are fixing in December.
Thanks for that, yes I had seen, just got to sit tight haven’t we 🤷♂️
next video: I CRASHED on a CANYON SPEEDMAX
Hahaha this could be true 🤣
I have the same bike
Brought second hand didn’t know about recall thank you for that
I paid 2k usd
Great buy! I’m sure canyon will sort it :)
That damage is not repairable!
Of course it is !
We shall see 😬🤷♂️
I have one in black. I would recommend replacing the small tool box with an aftermarket version that is much bigger & still allows an aero bottle on the down tube (I think it was Radsport Ibert or 4frames). I also bought the smaller bento box from Canyon & dropped the stem by 1cm (basically taking out the spacer). Will be interested to see if you find a solution for the front brake hose, this is the only thing that bugs me with the bike. I raced it at Ironman Hamburg & Ironman Italy this year. No problems at all 👌
Brilliant, thanks very much, I’ll check those out 👍
Why wouldn’t you just pay the guy to get the frame replaced under his warranty and pay him the difference?
yes - and then sell it again for a profit
This is hurting my brain 🤣 Canyon would be making more money than the seller in this scenario and it would be more expensive certainly for me and maybe for the seller. He’d have to hope that he would achieve 1.1k more through having a new frame, but with it being a mismatched colour I’m not sure he would have done
@ gotcha. Didn’t realize it would cost that much. I thought it would be a warranty replacement with minimal cost as opposed to just a discounted frame. Sounds like great content ahead. Cheers!
I'm not going to sugar coat this for you Dan . . . this does not seem like a smart purchase. "Broken bike with a recalled stem that has no known fix at the time of purchase". 🤔
Hahaha what’s the worst that can happen Matt 🤣🤷♂️
I can help you with the repair just lmk.
Cheers - think I’m sorted but appreciate it 👍
If you bring it to a carbon repair place, you're not a Mat Armstrong of bikes, they are. Try to repair it yourself. That makes for interesting content.
Haha my thoughts exactly! I’m not sure they’ll let me fix it myself, but I shall ask 🤣👍