Can you use other blades for Evolution Rage 5S ?? Plus test of 6 Blades
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2020
- Can you use other blades for Evolution Rage 5S plus simple quality tests.
In this video we will check if you can use other than Evolution`s blades with Rage 5S table saw. The Evolution blades come with bore size of 25.4mm which is different from the standard size of 30mm. Therefore you need to use a reducing ring to be able to use other blades. I will cover that in bit more detail in this video as well. I do not recommend using different than original Evolution blades. If you decide to to it then its your own risk and responsibility. Please remember that Evolution saws run at much slower RPM's then other brands.
Blades:
1. Saxton TCT Circular Wood Mitre Saw Blades 255mm x 40 & 80T x 25.4mm Bore fits Evolution Rage Saws (Pack of 2) - amzn.to/2QPJKmw
2. FREUD PRO LP30M 025 TCT Circular Saw Blade - 250mm x 30mm - 40T - amzn.to/3bwr433
3. Freud LP40M 025 TCT Circular Saw Blade 60-Tooth 250mm x 30mm Bore - amzn.to/2UFEfrD
4. Evolution Power Tools Wood Carbide-Tipped Blade - amzn.to/2wvWec9
5. Evolution Power Tools R255TCT-28T (Rage) Multi-Material TCT Blade Cuts Wood, Metal and Plastic, 255 mm - amzn.to/2xwZUuo
6. Abracs blade - www.abracs.com/products/tct-b...
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I reality hope your channel will get lot of more followers. You deserve, your style is very nice and simple. Very effective.
Thank you kindly, I hope for the same 🤣😂
A belated thanks for all your videos - it was your original review of the Rage5S that helped convince me to go for it. After all your and others' YT videos, fine tuning, tweaks, gadgets like digital level etc I've been really happy with the performance and outputs I get. I run a Saxton 80T blade which I've found to be an improvement over the Evolution wood blade (which itself was better than the multipurpose blade).
I love the Saxton blades. Good price and quality👍
Thanks for the substantial work behind that Tomas.
No problem, hope it will be help to some 👍😁
thank you for this video. I use this table saw since 6 months and i decided to change my blade, your review come at the good time for me. Your channel is very interesting and your videos comprehensives for me. Serge from France
Thank you kindly, glad you like my videos. All the best and stay safe 😁👍
I had a 25mm bore blade reamed out by a local machine shop to 25.4mm before any compatible blades or reducing rings were available. Picked up a very fine dewalt blade v cheap on ebay, few quid to ream it, job done, works really nice for years now!
When using a reducing ring, you are correct, they should have a milled edge and be an interference fit. However in addition, you should use a nut to fasten the blade to the saw with a flange larger than the reducing ring outer diameter, in order that it fastens on the blade itself. This will fasten the blade and should the reducing ring work loose, the blade will still be held by the flange and not spin.
(The tearout on the Frued blade is due to the lack of RPM on the saw.)
correct. the reducing ring is only to centralize the blade and has nothing to do with the grip on the shaft. the front and rear face plates do all the gripping.
@@MrSnookerballs Same for me. The fastener must be wide enough to hold the blade as well. My circular saw fastener holds the blade so never has a spinning issue.
Nice job mate. I bought my Evolution rage 5s ready for cutting plywood for cabinets round the house and then Covid shut all my sheet merchants down before I could get out and buy any. This is a great video as it will give me a head start when this thing blows over and we can all get back to normal. Take care!
Thanks mate, yes let's hope this will end soon so we can all get back to normality 👍
I used a reducing ring on an Erbauer blade with my Evolution sliding mitre saw. After a few cuts it began to slip dangerously. I would never use reducing rings again. Discovered Saxon blade with the correct bore and it works great. I’m a casual DIY’r. Nothing wrong with original blade though- depends on the job.
I find the Saxton blade to be very good.
Great video. Decided to replace the original Ryobi 40 tooth blade on my table saw with the 60 tooth Freud Pro I purchase over a year ago but not got round to fitting. It cuts through plywood like butter and gives very clean cut. Keep producing the videos
Thanks, I'm looking forward to fully test all the new blades. Let's hope I will do the re-review of all of them in few months time and then we will see which one is the best 👍
Thank you for this video, it'll come in handy when I need to purchase a new blade for my saw.
Thanks for watching 😁👍
Great review vid. I’ve been running a Saxton blade with reducer (the old versions came with a reducing ring) in my evolution mitre saw for a year is so now. Still going strong with a lovely cut. IMHO the Saxton blade is a Best Buy.
Thanks, yes the Saxton blades seem to be very good 😁👍
Ditto, first thing i've done with my Evo mitre and table saw is remove the supplied blade and a fit a Saxton Wood blade with reducers..hapy so far. Saving the multi use blades for rougher cuts etc.
Interesting results mate. I've switched from Freud to Saxton Pro range now and they deliver great clean cuts every time. Like the new look by the way. You'll have to get up earlier now to shave! Looking forward to your next video. Keep safe buddy.
Thanks mate👍 yes the Saxton seem to be very good and in a good price 😁
Thanks, just bought that Bosch reducing ring on amazon for a 60t freud blade I had already to fit in my new evolution mitre saw.
As always honestly excellent review and test thanks for your time and remember#stay safe and make. 🍺🍺👍👍👍😷
Thank you so much my friend for watching
I can vouch for the Saxton blades, they are awesome. I've been using them exclusively on my chop saw for years and I've just got one for my table saw (Rage 5s). I love them.
So do I 👍
Hi Tomasz, I'm a bit late to the party & see that you are now moving back home. I've watched this video as Screwfix have this saw on sale at £199 until 03/01/21 so I'm getting some tips from here. Great vid as is your channel. Good luck with the move & look forward to watching you when you get set back up.
Hi, Thank you do much. £199 well that's is a good price I have to say
I have an evolution flip saw & fitted an 80t Saxton blade. Excellent. I also have a Draper track saw & fitted a 40t Saxton blade. Again excellent.
I have the same bandsaw as you, but the Aldi version!
Also the 6 way power cube! Top tip for that. Use coloured electrical tape on each end of a power tool cable. So sander has green tape each end, router red etc. That way you can easily see which one to unplug.
Hehe good tip thanks 👍
Thanks for sharing. I've recently changed the blade in my Hitachi mitre saw. The original blade had some heavy duty, onsite mileage and was beginning to show its age. I opted for the Freud and could not be happier. I now get fast, smooth, clean cuts. I paid £33 at Screwfix. Worth every penny!
As I've already mentioned in a previous comment, I'm delighted with the Rage 5s - for £219 on Amazon, it's streets ahead of the competition - but if you're ripping timber or plywood, and want a smooth edge without having to resort to a hand plane, then I'd definitely suggest an upgrade to the blade. Personally, I'll be going for the Freud.
Again, thanks for your time and energy on the tutorial. Personally, I liked the beard...Glad you are well!
Thanks mate, just shaved it for this virus it will be back when it all ends. That's a good price for the Freud blade. They can get very expensive. Usually about £40. The 40T Freud is staying in my Rage 5S for now😁👍
Around Christmas I bought the Rage5S with its "multi" blade and also bought an Evo "wood" blade because of worries about the reducing ring. It WAS expensive and I can confirm its performances are not very satisfying, as in your test (while the "multi" IS fantastic).
Said that, in the future I'd substitute the "wood" Evo with a Saxton 40 or a Freud, mainly depending on the prices I'll find (should the Freud prove to be twice as durable, its double cost would result to be on a pair with the Saxton.)
Thanks so much for your test and take care.
Thank you, it was just a simple test but it proves other blades are working fine as well. Im exited to work with the Freud blades to be honest, they will be used first 😁
@@CasualDIY Solicited by your test, I went to re-watch an old video by a pro, explaining all about saw blades and I found - BTW - a couple info:
- Adapter rings are not an issue by themselves. He is a super-pro using top grade tools and putting great attention to both quality of work and safety and he's not afraid at all of using those rings. The only problem is to have them fitting perfectly in the hole (that Abracs blade looks suspect...)
- Those "cuts" I noticed on the border of the Freud's blade are a quality feature to make it less prone to overheating.
Also, I considered that some of the "roughness" of the multi-material blade by Evolution could be due to its very thin width (2mm), necessary to make it work with metal but also making it prone to vibrations. We can't have our cake and eat it too!
Cool info, have you got a link you can share to that video please I would love to educate myself more 😁👍
@@CasualDIY Here it is (it's in Italian but I assume you can get some sort of translation by RUclips): ruclips.net/video/Vd6nV8zN2xM/видео.html
P.S. "Falegname" is a "woodworker by trade".
very helpful. I have a 20 year old Challenge Pro PP250MS - lost the manual. Got blade out. Marked as 254 x 3.0 x 30T Max speed 5300rpm. Measured the bore at 1", so ordered some Saxton blades. I only need it to cut some decking board and 75 x 75 post. The other blades were more than the cost the original machine! Next day deliver for £5 - hopefully it will all work out fine.
Thanks again for posting. Now I can get on cutting some posting :-)
Glad that my video was helpful
@@CasualDIY the blades turned up less than 24 hours later. At the point I looked more closely at the original B&Q Challenge blade ... darn the 25.4mm is correct like Saxton. BUT there was another reducer ring taking original blade down to 16mm. Swines! There was no interference fit with Saxton. But at the same time the old blade had been working trouble free - plus was blunt. Fitted Saxton. I used the 80 tooth version. Wow - what a smooth cut on decking / 75mm posts. So worked out well. It is like I have a new compound mitre saw :-)
@@stephenhookings1985 hehe glad it worked out for you
While the reducing ring should be a press fit into the hole in the centre of the blade, the actual clamping mechanism will be pressing on the blade, not the ring. Certainly, I would be worried if the reducing ring was thicker than the centre part of the blade (this 'could' prevent the securing flange from gripping the blade tightly enough), but provided that it is not too loose (which could cause the blade to be clamped 'off-centre') I wouldn't worry about it. The reducer does NOT have to be a tight enough fit to stop the blade slipping: the blade is secured over a wider area than the ring. Very useful video's, I'm finding out new things all the time. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, yes that's true but with the Abracs blade the reducing ring was just falling through. I know that the secure mechanism should clamp the blade but personally I would feel safer having a good quality reducing ring to avoid any potential issues.
@@CasualDIY I have to agree with John on this. Your saw's arbor (without any reducing ring) is usually smooth anyway, as is the bore of the blade. Therefore the "teeth" on any reducing ring won't have any effect. The blade is clamped to the saw's arbor by the flange.
Agree on this one, the adaptor is just to centre the blade.
Totally agree. The "bush" is only there to ensure the blade runs concentric. It does not offer any drive at all. The miniscule difference with the bush falling through is not worth talking about, and it will have zero impact on any health and safety concerns.
Thank you for pointing this out, saves me typing a long winded explanation of why the reducer does nothing more than hold the blade at the correct centre and plays no part in the driving of the blade.
Absolutely brilliant Tomasz as you do exactly what everyone wants to know before they buy another blade. So so helpful. On this video alone, I think most people will be getting the Saxon blades of which I always use on my multi tool. On a different note , can I ask you what you think of, and have you considered,the french cleat system? Prefer without the beard and may I also say, you have a very magnetic personality and I look forward to you videos.
Thank you very much 😁 yes I was think about the French cleat system. It seems to be a very good solution. But I'm quite clumsy so the version I will eventually have needs to be lockable so if I knock it accidentally it will not fall off. I've seen few solutions for that but not decided what to use yet. I wish you and your family good health, stay safe 👍
Great Vid, really liked it, Tried the saxton blade pair, initially fantastic, didnt hold for very long though 6 months of DIY use and they were blunting out, installed a freud and it feels like cutting butter, 6 months in its still fresh, twice the price lets see if they last twice as long.
I'll be testing kine soon. However I think my results will be similar to yours
Hi Tomasz. Enjoyed you video on the different saws. Great info for the potential purchaser. I agree with your choices, did you notice the Freud had a much solider sound, not as tinny when cutting. Two points. (Hope you don't mind, this may help your viewers.) The reducing ring needs to be a good fit inside the saw blade bore and on the machine spindle to ensure your blade is running concentric. If the ring is an excessive sloppy fit the blade will run eccentric causing out of balance vibration. The reducing ring doesn't have any impact on driving the saw blade. The saw is driven by a friction grip between the two collars. Some machines have a pin(s) around the spindle which locate in the saw blade, these are to prevent slipping and usually fitted on the larger production machines.
Yes thank you that's a great point raised. I knew I missed something. Thank you for the comment 👍
I'm wondering the reason for the Bosch ring notches. I assume they're there to make the ring stick to the blade, not for better traction during the spinning but for ease of substitution of the blade. I.e. if the ring sticks to the blade, you don't risk to lose it down the saw while changing blades. Which is a definite plus, in my view.
Torn between one of these and a smaller bosch. Thanks for the information.
Thank you for watching
normalnie nie poznałem Cię bez brody :P dobrze że głos znajomy :)
Hehe trzeba bylo zgolic na czas epidemii lol
Brilliant mate this will definitely help a lot of people out. Right now can you do the same for me with the miter saw as I need to upgrade my blades 😅
Yes I'll try to do a similar test for the mitre saw. Video should be put next week if all goes well👍😁 I imagine the results will be similar.
About the reduce ring, a bit loosen is not that critical, but the thickness is. As long as the reduce ring is slightly thinner than the blade, the blade works just fine.
Great video (I've just bought a Rage 5-S so it's really handy!) however, on a couple of things I'd like to take issue... Several times you mention that most saws run at 6,000 to 9,000 RPM - not with a 10" blade, they don't! :-) If you look at 255mm blades available, most of them have a max. speed of 5,300 to 5,700 RPM. So although the Evolution is half this, it's not three or four times slower, as you imply.
Secondly, the reducing rings only centre the blade - no driving is done by the shaft (how could it, when you just push the blade on by hand - it would have to be shrunk-on to be able to transfer the torque). The drive is done by the flanges clamped by the bolt to the sides of the blade. The issue with a ring not fitting the blade tightly is really down to dropping the darned thing when you're changing the blade, and that the blade may not be held exactly concentric with the shaft.
So having done my "grumpy old git" thing, I will finish by saying that I love your videos and I hope you keep making them! (I'll be buying a Saxton 80t blade when I get round to it).
Hi 😁
You are absolutely right on all points raised. One thing that I realised is that on blades says for example the Freud blade, up to 9000 rpm it doesn't state the minimum. So from that perspective I think all the blades will be ok with Evolution saws. I had few emails from people saying they had an issue where the blades slide on the rings. But as you said the blade is secured but the flange thing. But what I have noticed is that the reducing ring may have been thicker than the blade. I found one that was thicker then blades I had in a pack of cheap reducing rings. So emailed those 3 guys and the reducing rings in all occasions were slightly thicker then the blades. So I can imagine the saws blade clamping thing was more clamping pressure on the ring than the blade.
What do you think?
Thank you for watching my videos 😁
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Excellent review.When will you be re reviewing your Triton thicknesser as I'm holding off on the purchase for now
Thank you, hmm I'll try to do it next week then and the mitre saw blade test week after 👍
Hi Tomasz, I'm looking for an advice on which blade you could recommend for cutting a 13mm thick laminate flooring along the board at 45° angle ( to make a 90 degree stair nosing )? Thanks
I've been running the freud pro blade in my rage 5s. Outstanding blade. Decent cut quality consistently in all types of wood. The saxton blades I use in my rage mitre saw. However I've recently picked up the saxton Pro series blade. Time will tell how this performs. Great content as ever tomas.
Thanks mate, and I will be switching over if no issues will come to light over time. The Evolution blades are good for what they are but not perfect for all scenarios
Hi Tomasz, great video, thanks! Did you get cutting a dado with the Saxton or Freud blades? It would be interesting to see if they give a smooth finish.
I'll do half lap joint on the mitre saw with depth cut stop. Should be a good quality test 👍
Personally I only use Saxton blades as replacement blades on both my Evolution R255PTS 255mm table saw and also my Evolution R255SMS 255MM sliding mitre saw. The standard evolutions multipurpose blades that some with the saws are great, but I still prefer to use separate Saxton blades depending on what I'm using the blades for, ripping, fine cuts etc etc etc.
Anyway, I hope that your move back to Poland is going as planned and that your parents are enjoying seeing their grandkids on a regular basis 😀
Oh yes the grandparents are loving it 😁👍
Maybe a little late to the party, but I have the US version of the rage 5S. I was doing a lot of work with hardwood and ditched the Evo multi blade for a Diablo 80T; here's what I noticed (imperial, not metric). The Evo blade has a 1" opening, and this is larger than the shaft. The inner spacer that centers it. My Diablo 10" blade has a 5/8" opening, and this is the exact size of the shaft. If you look at the inner spacer, it is labeled on both sides and is reversible, specifically for 5/8" and 1". So no rings here.
I am a long term user of Frued blades. I have used Bosch reducing rings and have never had any issues ever in 46 years of woodworking. As for tooth count, the more teeth the slower the saw will cut. High tooth count is more for crosscutting than ripping however, you can use them for ripping too but do not expect them to cut the way a rip blade does. The less teeth, the rougher the cut. I have never used Saxon blades. I must try one.
If you look at the blade flanges that tighten up on the blade are closer to 40 mm in diameter. So the reducing rings are use only as a centring unit as even a original evolution blade will spin if not righted up
Hi Tomasz. Thanks for your awesome videos. Did you get better cut results, less tear out with the zero clearance or even with your sled? Thanks a lot and cheers
Hi,
Both the zero clearance plate and sled gave better results👍
Hi, Enjoy your videos, looked through some of your videos & couldn't find what I was looking for. I think this is the first time I have seen you wearing a shop apron. Could you tell me where you got it or the brand so I can search for one, once again look forward to seeing some more videos. Thanks Tom
Thanks mate, to be honest one of my friends had a spare that he got from Poland. I don't think they sell it online. I'll ask him to check for me and if they got a website I'll let you know 👍
Good video I’ve just ordered Saxton blades on the on the strength of it. Small point on reducing rings. It is my understanding that the reducing rings are not intended to hold the blade securely to the shaft. It is just there to keep it centralised on the shaft. The shaft flange and nut should still grip the blade and that is what makes the whole thing solid. Cheers
Correct!
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 Yes, correct, he is completely confused about the "dangers" of reducing rings.
looking at various table saws so found this very useful. Oh btw where did you get your overalls ???? :)
Thanks, got it off a friend not sure if they actually sell them sorry
The reducing rings do nothing but centre the blade, so every tooth cuts equally. The flanges do all the clamping.
Nice and informative. Great intel for new woodworkers. Btw. please, buy a gorillapod of some kind for close-up shots cause it's too wobbly and blurry when done holding the smartphone.
Thanks, when I get some funds I'll try to invest it that👍
I have been using reducing rings on different blades and saws for over 30 years and I have never had a problem nor heard of anyone ever having problems or safety isues. Dose this saw have a weird monting for the blade as all saws I have ever used clamps the blade nowhere near the bore or the reduction ring? I was considering geting one of these saws but after seeing your cuts it's no where god enugh for fine joinery work that I do.
Very informative Tomasz. On balance I think I would buy the Saxton 80-tooth blade with 25.4 mm bore. Only unresolved question is the longevity Saxton compared to Freud, so I will watching for your follow-up videos. Most disappointing for me is the performance of the Evolution dedicated wood blade. Do you think the results would read across to the Evolution mitre saw? I bought the R255SMS with the idea of being able to use the blades I buy in either saw. Thanks for sharing.
Yes I was this is my second wood dedicated Evolution blade and had similar results. Not that great. I would imagine the blades will behave similar on the mitre saw but I have not tested that yet. The cross cuts may actually differ on quality for each blade so it will be interesting to see.
Thanks for all your guidance over the past year I have learnt quite a bit and gained confidence in having a go.
What are your thoughts on dado stacks? Is it something you have used?
Thanks for watching 👍
Dados are more or less banned in EU so I have never used them unfortunately.
@@CasualDIY the table scares me as it is so I’ll stay away from that idea then.
thank you for the review. I bought the freud 40T after your review. But on amazon it was very expensive. Found another in germany. Much cheaper. Overall i am not happy with my evolution tablesaw. As a DIY'er i hope to find a Sawstop style used one.
Yes sometimes you can get better deals elsewhere. My dream saw would be a panel saw but I would have to get a bigger workshop lol
@@CasualDIY if you ever come to Belgium. Come to visit my workshop. I have some trouble organizing things.
A bit of tape will hold the spacer till it is bolted on to the bore
Thank you for showing that "other" blades can be used. I've been trying to find some reference of using a "dado" stack. There's something that you could do a video about
This saw will not take dado blades unfortunately
@@CasualDIY A shame as the saw is in my books up there with the "big boys"
Gracias!
Maybe a silly question but will a dedicated wood blade cut through nails in wood? I intend to buy a table saw sooner or later and if the multi balde is best then I will leave it on the saw.
You can ruin the wood dedicated blade on a nail. Only the multi blade will cope with nails with ease.
the adapters are to true up the running and the flanges will grip the blade well away from the adapters.
I just brought the saxton blades today, be interested in how they perform. Tearout is quite bad with the stock blade.
I think you will be quite happy with them, I know I am 🤣
Thank you, very interesting review .... one tip - you cant compare the underside much as you used the evo insert plate and not a zero clearance insert ..... the stock evo insert SUCKS big time unfortunately ... but its very easy to make one
Yes that's true it's very bad. Still need to make a zero clearance plate for my saw one day🤔
I need to do this as well, have you done it on yours?
Who are you and what have you done with Tomasz ? ;) good review, if the Saxton Blades last they seem to be the one to go for, I'd have liked to see a test of the Lidl Parkside/Aldi Ferrex blades alongside as well, I've used the 160mm (I think) Ferrex one in my 165mm Wolf circular saw (not in my Evo's) and it worked absolutely fine and has lasted as long as a 'Quality' branded name tbh, bought it on a whim and due to curiosity as to how well it would work at such a cheap price
Hehe thanks mate. I could try to check that out. But I have to say I use the Hikoki cordless circular saw more than the Parkside. Mainly due to the batteries. I can't get those bigger batteries from Lidl 🤔
How much backlash at the blade tips should there be? Mine seems quite a lot, as a result the start -up is a bit of a bang! Doesn't sound too good. Second point .... the M5 attachment hole for the circle attachment is absent. I can drill and tap it of course.
I would just contact the Evolution customer service mate, if you got any concerns they would best guide you through.
Was enjoying the video, but then a bit non sense to compare plywood cuts against the grain with cuts that were made in the grain direction... Couldn't get any idea if the saxton 80T was better or worse than the 40T!
True point taken. Next tests will be better👍
Thank you for the inspirational video, that almost convinced me to buy this table saw, despite the price of around £ 400. However, I would like to ask, would you consider buying this table saw if you knew, that your only choice of blades are the EVO ones? Here in the Czech Republic the only discs with a 25.4 mm bore that you can buy are EVO.
Hi that depends what will you use the saw. If it will be for general DIY then yes. But if you are planning to do more professional work, cabinets etc. Where cut quality and accuracy needs to be pristine then no.
saxston blades sell blades online for this machine no reducer needed
Thanks for another great video, must have taken a lot of effort. The next episode sponsored by Gillette?!👍👍
Yes this one took a bit of time and cash 🤪 but it will not go to waste 😉
Hehe after this virus goes away the beard is coming back 😁👍
What would you think the best blade is for trimming white window shutters on the evolution saw
The saw seems not to matter as you can use any blade you want ( apart of dado stack ). If you need quality finish then Freud or Trend blades will be great.
Thanks for another informative video. Just bought my Rage 5S and I would love to get the Saxton blades but they won't ship to Australia. Is there no problem with the kerf of these blades? The Evolution multi blade is only 2mm and the splitter is sized accordingly.
That's a shame. No I have not noticed any issues with regards the kerf
@@CasualDIY For any other Australians I found a Makita 64 tooth blade that has a 2.3mm kerf and comes with the 25.4mm reduction ring @ $65.
@@ncc714 quite expensive that is
@@CasualDIY not for Australia, blades are obscenely expensive here! I bought the Rage 5S recently, the shop had a deal with a bonus Evolution blade but they have no blades in stock. So, I was going to ask them for another brand. Would there be a problem fitting a Diablo 50t combination blade in the Rage 5S? It comes with a reducing ring too. Love your vids by the way!
the reducer ring is for concentric purposes..your arbor nut contact the blade itself...in short, interference fit is nice but not critical
Hi Tomasz
I just bought the Evolution R255PTS form Screwfix for £200 as compared to the Rage 5S for £350 at most other places, I can't see any difference between the two. Ditched the stand, I kept tripping over it.
Also I just bought the Bosch reducing ring for £2.93 on Amazon for my Sip blade and it fell straight through the hole. Further examination reveals that the back of the blade retaining washer is recessed so the blade is clamped further out from the centre bolt. This means that the blade will not spin due to the washer.
Well thats a bugger 🤔
can you put alink in heer for the blade you bought please and did it come with a reducer ring .thanks in advance
The links to the blades are in the description of this video mate. And no they did not come with reducing rings, had to buy them separate
Very good Video. Bosch Adapter is coreckt!👍
The new blue Blades from Bosch are from Freud. Freud is the new Company from Bosch!
Others Quality Blades are from AKE , Stehle and Bosch. Thanks from Germany.
Hi, didn't know that thanks for the info 👍
Freud's an Italian professional wood working tool manufacturing company. It used to be known only by the trade but nowadays they cater for hobbyists as well . I have quite a bit of their tooling and used to own one of their 2HP hand routers until it burnt out. Their tooling is well made and not expensive for what you get compared to other makes. www.freud.it
whats the best way to align the blade to 90 degrees? please struggling with this on my evo 5s table saw, great vids by the way, thanks
Me too Leon, did you sort the problem?....
@@whisthpo yes with magnetic electric inclinometer
@@tagiti Thanks for the reply Leon, I'm using an Engineer's Square.. I need to know Where you make the adjustment from? I have just shimmed the 2 right hand blade carriage mountings under the table and it has made a slight difference but it isn't Spot on!
Why won't the Evolution 52 tooth steel cutting blade work for finer crosscuts in wood?
I glued the reducer rings in to my Saxton blades. Not had a problem.
That's an interesting thing to do. What glue did you use?
@@CasualDIY just a drop of Mitre Mate and a spritz of activator
Hi Tomasz you are using a reducing ring what size are they as most reducing rings are 25mm and not 25.4mm ? was the ring you used 25mm generic or 25.4mm
Hi, no it was 25.4mm.
Check out this link to the ring I got from Amazon amzn.to/2xPcgOR
The problem I have with my rage5s is when cutting,especially if I'm only shaving off a couple of mm, I find the blade flexes, have you had this problem and if so did the new blades stop this. Thanks shaun
The blade flexes? No not had that before. Please be careful as this could be very dangerous. I would try a different blade, maybe yours got slightly bent, or went off alignment. Check if it's all square to the fence, saw table etc.
hi there , ive had the blade flexi know exactly what you mean. i am eagerly aaiting the results of the differnet blades used in this vid. i looked at the saxon blades and was tempted to buy one , i will wait for the next vid
Hi
I am struggling to find the Bosch reducers keep finding ones with a 24 Internal bore diameter
Hi, check out this link hope it helps
amzn.to/342c4cT
So, here's an interesting twist. I have a Rage 5S, and had some issues with blade sway. I've been dealing with Evolution customer service and they've going to take it back and inspect it. I sent a video of the sway to them, and in their reply they told me that using non-Evolution blades actually VOIDS the warranty. Just something to be aware of.
If you have a sway with a non evolution blade, their warranty wouldnt cover that blade anyway. In any case, how would they know you'd used a different blade at some time?
How are they going to prove that you used other blades unless you overtly tell them?
How is that zero clearance? I think it may be the reason of such bad back cut. Do you suggest the table saw for pure wood cut?
Its not zero clearance plate far from it. I actually need to make one. I don't make any recommendations to what you can cut. Nice new blade will handle all materials 👍
I noticed the arbor washer has a reducer on one side 1” and 5/8” on the other. Have you tried it yet? Also have you found a dado set yet?
Dado stacks are banned in Europe I think. There are few saws that are designed to to take them in Europe but they are like industrial type saws as far as I'm aware. I had the reducing ring from 30mm to 25.4mm and they work just fine.
@@CasualDIY you keep saying 25.4 and the blade says 25.5 at time 1.59 is this a typo ?
It's worth trying this once the blades have been used for a few hours and the teeth have been work polished
Hi Tomasz i have the tile cutting disc for my evolution mitre saw. Do you think this can safely be used on the Rage 5S?
I have that blade but only used it on the sliding mitre saw, to be honest I wouldn't feel safe using it on the table saw. You got bit more control over the blade on the sliding mitre saw.
@@CasualDIY Thanks Tomasz - I have checked my blade for squareness to the table and it is slightly out. I have looked at all your related videos but can't see how the blade can be fine tuned. The instructions are not clear either. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Yes mate, had one of my Subscribers with that issue. So it could be the motor/ table out of alignment. If you email Evolution with the description of the problem they should walk you through how to fix that. They got extended manual with all the details as well. Hope this will help
What do people use to clean their blade with?.... I've recently tried kettle descale which worked quite well so I'm wondering what other household products will work.
Following this, I would like to know as well😁
I use Trend 500 bit & blade cleaner circa £18 on eBay.
diesel. put it on a brush and let the blade spin . i work for a woodworking comapny i was tols this years ago
Hi how are you getting on with testing the life expectancy of the other blades you have bought. As I am about to replace the blades on my table saw it would be interesting to find out how the other blades stood the test of time. Big thumbs up for the video.
Had to stop due to moving between countries unfortunately. So far been mainly using the Saxton blades and I have to say I'm well impressed with them
@@CasualDIY thanks for your relly, hope your move went well and you are settling into your new home and lifestyle. That is good to know about the blades as I have ordered one up, not had a chance to use it yet. Enjoyed the video of your dads allotment looks awesome. All the best for your future project's looking forward to see them on RUclips.
I have one question. This machine can cutting tiles and rocks with evolution diamond saw?
In theory yes it can.
The adaptor ring is not a health and safety issue. It only centers the blade for installation. I've even 3D printed rings from ABS plastic which have also been fine after thousands of cuts. The flanges are what holds the blade. Granted, the rings do need to be present as there could be a risk of the blade becoming out of center and unbalanced if there was no ring or worst case scenario a plastic ring melted or deformed but even then it would just cause vibration in the blade and not a catastrophic failure.
If the reducing ring is not a tight fit then the blade will not be centered. Operating saw with a blade that is off center in saw that spins it at several thousand RPMS then yes I would say that is very dangerous and in the best case scenario will damage your saw.
I’m a beginner and was wondering what is the difference in use between the 40 & 80 tooth blades please? I’m looking at replacing my rage 5s blade for a better one for cutting wood
The blades with 40 and less teeth are used to rough cut wood. More teeth means higher quality of cut, for example the 80 tooth blade would be best for a mitre saw - making cuts cross the grain.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, that’s cleared that up, cheers
@@MD-gc4xq no problem 👍
I've used a few saxton blades and find they give a good cut and are a decent price, only down side for me was they didn't seem to last too long before losing their sharpness.
That might be because I tend to cut mainly MDF but I'm not sure.
Can anyone tell me if mdf is actually harder on blades than plywood and if it's worth paying the extra for a Freud blade?
All in all a good video, be intresting to see how they pan out long term.
Yes hard to say from my perspective but watch this space. With regards MDF it could be the glue that is used to make MDF that is sticking to the teeth of your blade? That's what I'm expecting that will happen to my blades when cutting a lot of resin blocks and stabilized wood.
I've cut a lot of MDF too and I suspect the glue IS sticking to the blades - as it happens to drill bits too - but I don't know if that actually affects its real sharpness.
I've seen several videos by professional woodworkers in which they say plywood is very tough on the blades. Most of them tend to use a different blade for plywood in order not to wear their best blade, keeping it for the quality work.
So, is it posaible to use a 5/8” arbor blade on this saw?
No the bore size fir Evolution rage 5s is 25.4m.
Is this one missing from your main page list of videos Tomasz?
No, it shouldn't. I can see it normally. Why are you asking?
@@CasualDIY I couldn't find, so did a RUclips search instead. :)
@@CasualDIY ...maybe you could group all the Evolution Rage 5S videos together?
@@chrisward9706 hmm got few of them so it actually seems like a good idea 👍 I will see what I can do👍
need to update this with a test of a diamond blade cutting tile.
To be fair I wouldn't feel safe using it on this table saw plus the tile dust going everywhere not a great thing. On a mitre saw yes but not on a table saw
Can you use a dado stack with this table saw?
Unfortunately no
the reducing bush has nothing to do with driving the blade, so it wont slip if the ring is not a tight fit . all the ring does is hold the blade central while the flange nut is fitted . it is the flange that drives the blade.
The reducing ring keeps the blade centered which is crucial. Try to run a blade at 4000rpm that's off balance
@@CasualDIY i know . thats exactly what i said it mounts the blade central and concentric but has nothing to do with driving the blade .and so if it is not a very tight fit it cant have anything to do with the blade slipping as someone suggested it will .
A question I have for you (and the fellow Rage5S community that gather here!) is around upgrading the mitre gauge. The stock gauge has play/slop in my set up and I'd like to go for something more substantial with angle stops but still stay budget end if I can (Rutlands/banggood etc). Given the mitre tracks are not exactly standard on this saw and have the double width in the profile has anybody managed to find a gauge that is compatible and works well with the Rage 5S? I have made a cross cut sled btw but still want a mitre gauge for versatility until I make a sled with greater mitre functionality.
Many thanks in advance for any thoughts or advice!
Got the same problem. I actually bought one of Banggood and it did not fit🤪🤣 not found one that would. I added a bit of tape to the original gauge and has no play now but that's not the perfect solution unfortunately
@@CasualDIY Thanks for the response. Hmmm. It’s the main negative against the Rage5S. So annoying. Do you still have the Banggood? I’m considering trying to work out if I could get a local forge to copy the 5S rail, or use mouldable plastic and then “transfer” the main parts of the 3rd party mitre gauge to the new rail. A lot of scope for error though I guess. Do you think the Banggood could be deconstructed without breaking it??
@@richanderson5659 no I tried to mend the Banggood version but with no result. It's that bloody lip that's the issue.
Try using a zero clearance insert or at least a homemade one that sits flush with the table. It will make a big difference
Yes that is true and I would recommend that as well
TO CHECK THE CUT QUALITY YOU SHOULD USE RATHER SOFT-WOOD BECAUSE THIS IS MORE SENSIBLE IN THE BACKSIDE WHEN CUT. TRY IT AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN.
Good tip thanks, I will do a re-review of them at the end of the year to see how they perform after some time
Does anyone know of a 25mm bore blade that has a flat tooth for doing dados or box joints?
I was looking for one myself and haven't found anything decent
Can you use a dado stack in this saw?
Unfortunately not
Isn't the tearout due to you using the orange throat plate that comes with the saw?
No, with that plate you would have even more tearout
@@CasualDIY oh ok, so you used the throat plate you made? Sorry, I thought I saw the orange plate in the video. Great videos by the way. I've just bought the Rage 5, and want to learn how to use it correctly, so am enjoying your videos. Thanks.
@@HOMEAROMAS hehe plenty of videos on my channel with upgrades to this saw 👍
What about a dado stack for the evo rage 5s? Is it possible?
Unfortunately no
Is that because there is just isn’t one that fits? Or Legal Reasons..
@@tonyfry4408 The machine will not allow for a dado stack to be put on, shaft too short. Plus in Europe it's more or less banned. Only industrial saws are allowed to use them.
Did Airbracs fix their bore size?
No idea unfortunately
Hi, Can you put more than one blades in the Rage 5 S at the same time to get wider cuts?
No with a big N. These are not dado stacks.
Can you add dado blades to it?
Unfortunately no
Yes you can use different makes of blades. However, it invalidates the 2 year warranty! I know, my saw failed and they initially said it invalidated the warranty and please give some money and we’ll repair it. I said OK I’ll pay as long as you can establish that the reason the saw stopped working was due in part or whole to the fact that I fitted a blade not of Evolution manufacture. They couldn’t so I won and they did it under the warranty in the end at no cost ( apart from the cost of me returning it to them in the first place. Anyway, you have been warned!
Thanks for sharing 👍
let's made a shortcut for the blades
5:40 evo multi purpose blade - good
6:00 evo wood blade - good
6:30 saxton 40T - best, crisp edge
7:05 freud 40T (reducing ring required) - good
7:50 saxton 80T - best, crisp edge
8:30 Abracs 80T (reducing ring required) - drama - ring not work, cannot test
11:00 freud 60T (reducing ring required) - good
13:06 evo 28T outcome
14:30 saxton 40T outcome
14:58 freud 40T outcome
2 years later :D ruclips.net/video/n6vV1o32tB8/видео.html
Lol great break down 🤣👍
What about dado blades ? Thanks
This saw does not take dado blades