Nice to have you back Mylien! And CONGRATS on having your baby!!! Take the time you need the lore will always be there for you to cover when you're able to do so.
We can't forget that when Rhulk died he came undone as if he were made of plants, vines or some such. Becoming a part of some kind of cosmological substrate might be a thing Disciples just do.
Pretty sure the Egregore spores came from the same place as the Vex Radiolaria - The Garden that the Witness mentioned way back in the lore book from the Season of Arrivals. When the "Gardener" and the "Winnower" broke that garden open, many things were released as the universe itself was born.
Now that Calus is a disciple, it means he was given new purpose by the Witness. As an emperor he was obsessed with pleasure and wealth. Now as a disciple his mission is to spread horror and decay. Which I find ironic because what we know about why he was trying to ascend is because of the horrid decay his body had fallen to because of excessive pleasure.
My helmet stays on.. Always… Also my hunter is an exo and he’s my only character to go in there Well now that I hear them say that the way you pass the egrogore is to inhale it then nvmmmmmmm
What if the disciples merging their minds with the pyramid ships is the same as giving the witness total control over you. I feel like the voices that you hear from the witness are the disciples them selves talking through him.
Now that you talked about it, I started to think if it’s not like a Sith rule in Star Wars, we’re there is always only one disciple, so that maybe Rhulk was the first and only disciple and now Calus is taking this place. And the fact that Mara was offered the job, may be only the thing about being a candidate or the witness was expecting Rhulks failure.
That egregor line you used of feeding on the life flashing before your eyes makes perfect sense considering darkness has powers over memories. That's how they feed the eggregor communal mind with knowledge and memories?
Eeeeeyy!!! Great name choice! My boy LEO is gunna be 2 in August! As for Calus, I've been waiting for you & Byf to make videos discussing some of the bizarre voice lines he's been coming out with!!
So 1) I think Calus had to go to mercury because that was where the leviathan was already parked. 2) From what we've seen so far my belief is Calus is using the egregore spore and dark energies to merge with the leviathan and make it his new cyborg super body BUT under the witness orders he has linked to the lunar pyrmid to in simple terms "upload it's operating system" in order to effectively transform the leviathan into a shop of the black fleet. It may change shape to become a world eating pyramid or just become a pyrmaid powered metal body for a super mutated Calus. Even if he became part of the ship he would or could still use his robot forms to interact with people beyond his ship.
The Leviathan could actually be in the process of being turned into a pyramid ship, or maybe some kind of Pyramid hybrid. In one of the Patrol scannables, you hear that the hull of the ship is actually something like 12 meters BELOW the area of the Royal Pools. The game makes references to things breaking and reforming and shifting, much like we've seen with the Throne World pyramid ship constantly shifting and adjusting as we walk through it. So this could be the case that the Leviathan is undergoing a sort of internal metamorphosis to try and turn it into a variation of a pyramid ship. Or I could be 100% wrong. But it's fun to think about for now.
well, in Witch Queen, when we revisit the Europa pyramid, Ghost mentions that we’ve never seen a pilot. and if the Leviathan is transforming, maybe its taking the power from the pyramid to take the power away from the Hive? and become some kind of Pseudo pyramid
Regarding the room in Duality with the covered pyramid piece: my first thought went to The Kabba: the covered stone in Mecca prayed to as a tenet of Islam. Symbolism of worship, of devotion.
intuitive example you have given however the kabba is not a rock it is THE house of the muslim god on earth with rooms and pillars inside and it is covered with in curtains as it it is a part of the house the coverings. my reason to correct you was to remove misinformation.
@@pyrrhos8175 your welcome friend and btw there is a black stone fitted on the kabba's wall to answer your question about the black stone it's called the hajjar-e-aswad
Honestly, the idea that the Darkness's ideology is that the material world is a "cocoon" holding us back is not even remotely new. I mean, that was a big part of Shadowkeep's Unveiling lore book. Tbh, it feels weird that some of the stuff this season is being presented as though we(and Eris) are just learning it, when the Darkness beamed it directly into our DMs 2 years ago, as the ending of a major expansion.
Yeah and I'm still waiting on explanations for the Vex. All we've got is a sneaky line about a "vexing" pattern in the garden game and that at least 1 pyramid basically planted the Vex seed into Mercury somehow even before the Traveller got here. Why did the Darkness want Clovis creating the portal and the Exo? Why did the pyramids dump a bunch of radiolaria into Mercury specifically? What are the Vex doing now while we're focused on the "bigger" threats? We keep getting information we already have while more questions pop up and go unanswered.
I'm really starting to wonder if Bungie is hinting or even down right showing us the next darkness element with truesight, psionic spaces, nightmares, and egregore. Stasis and its crystals are the only signature associated with darkness we have so perhaps we can assume each darkness element will have a physical signature. Perhaps egregore is the physical signature of our next subclass element, psychic. The last two seasons as well as the Witch Queen expansion have all dealt with memories, trauma, nightmares, mindspaces, and general psyche. If next season is also related to the like, I don't think it's coincidence anymore, and we cannot ignore it anymore.
To play off this, blight is a term for various fungal diseases that kill off plants. Coincidentally, the damage Witherhoard deals is referred to as blight. Definite chance for one of our future Darkness subclasses, and possibly the Witherhoard itself, to have a connection to the egregore & the fungus growing all over the place. In my mind, Blight-based subclasses would be really interesting.
First, Happy father day, and second congrats on the beautiful bby. I know this phase you will be super busy but thank you so much for the lore content :)
Some possible references I'm still pondering: - "such sights to behold": Hellraiser reference - "Leviathan heart beats anew": Isn't it powered by eating planets? Did it eat Mercury? What fed it? - It vs They: Calus consistently refers to The Witness as "it" but everyone else uses "they". Is Calus actually talking about The Witness? - Mind-machine-clone meld: Very reminiscent of Exo tech and Taken magic - "prove myself": Calus is being tested there before being a Disciple. Why?
@27:07 hmm Rhulk had his eyes on Elsie and Eris. Calus doesn't need a pyramid, he already has his leviathan. So it could be that the Europan pyramid is for Elsie when she becomes a disciple and the lunar one could be for Eris.
Okay here’s what I think: Calus is using the egregore to link his mind with everything around him. I think he that he is changing and transforming the leviathan by manipulating the egregore, or by forcing the egregore to manipulate the leviathan. He talked about severing his final connections to his flesh and I think we might be doing that by killing his nightmares in Duality. By doing this, I think he’s becoming one with the egregore so his mind can transcend time and space like it can. Completely theory, not much evidence, but fungus-demon Calus would be pretty interesting to fight.
There is probably zero weight from me, but now that you've said this, maybe he is becoming one with the Leviathan, to then try and consume the pyramid ship on the moon.
8:53 To answer that guy’s question, it all depends on where Mars, Io, and/or Mercury is in their orbits around the Sun or Jupiter, respectively. Although, most ships have jump drives in the Destiny universe; but, maybe the Leviathan can’t have one due to how much energy it would require to perform a light speed jump.
When we first seen the witness and the entity like pulled back like an old theatre curtain revealing the pyramid ships (i think), could that be the veil of creation? Like where the witness is?
I've had an idea in my head over the sever missions each week that the Leviathan is coming alive. Each week the egregore spreads further and looks almost like muscle fibers and entrails, it is known to be like a nerve pathway. What if the Leviathan becomes this giant monster of darkness?
@@eliaspanayi3465 Imagine fighting through the leviathan raid but instead of just rehashing the original raid, we have to fight about way to the heart of the Leviathan and kill Calus for good
My son of the Sun, we send you greetings on this special day, from outside your Solar System, Happy Father's Day
*chuckles* We’re in danger.
Have you forgiven Rhulk?
@@dec3142 I don't think he has
*shakily hold crayons and hammer*
@@daydr3amer120 No fear. We get special crayons from witman triangle boat. 🦍🦍🦍
Nice to have you back Mylien! And CONGRATS on having your baby!!! Take the time you need the lore will always be there for you to cover when you're able to do so.
We can't forget that when Rhulk died he came undone as if he were made of plants, vines or some such. Becoming a part of some kind of cosmological substrate might be a thing Disciples just do.
If Calus has somehow merged himself with the Leviathan, and it’s actually alive, I’m just waiting for him to go full Unicron and consume our Moon.
That’s how they’ll sunset the moon in lore when they put it in the vault
@@GruntCatcher but think about the tides lol
Thats an idea, he was just waiting to nom bigger things lol
@@manfromhamaslume i think the leviathan just being there might fuck the tides on its own i dont think bungie cares
i have a feeling on that how they will sunset the moon next year!
Pretty sure the Egregore spores came from the same place as the Vex Radiolaria - The Garden that the Witness mentioned way back in the lore book from the Season of Arrivals. When the "Gardener" and the "Winnower" broke that garden open, many things were released as the universe itself was born.
Now that Calus is a disciple, it means he was given new purpose by the Witness. As an emperor he was obsessed with pleasure and wealth. Now as a disciple his mission is to spread horror and decay. Which I find ironic because what we know about why he was trying to ascend is because of the horrid decay his body had fallen to because of excessive pleasure.
He traded slaanesh for nurgle
Evalin- Spawn of Myelin
17:30 dont forget that onboard the HELM, we are already breathing in those spores... just look at the amount of spore particles floating around there!
After all those runs of Presage to get our god roll DMTs, safe to say we’re all fucked already
My helmet stays on.. Always…
Also my hunter is an exo and he’s my only character to go in there
Well now that I hear them say that the way you pass the egrogore is to inhale it then nvmmmmmmm
I guess it’s not Fathers Day in Australia, but it is here. So happy Father Day Myelin!
Fucking hell the event horizon vibe is SO CHILLING
Communing with the Darkness, leaving their crumbling body, becoming the last/first of their species, sounds a lot like Clovis Bray.
Nezarecs story is going to be important.
What if the disciples merging their minds with the pyramid ships is the same as giving the witness total control over you. I feel like the voices that you hear from the witness are the disciples them selves talking through him.
Now that you talked about it, I started to think if it’s not like a Sith rule in Star Wars, we’re there is always only one disciple, so that maybe Rhulk was the first and only disciple and now Calus is taking this place. And the fact that Mara was offered the job, may be only the thing about being a candidate or the witness was expecting Rhulks failure.
Congrats on the new member of the family! Love your content, like many others are saying in the comments, family first the lore can wait.
I enjoy listening to these kind of chats. It's fun to think about what could be the future of the story
Congrats Myelin! happy for you! ❤️
and glad to have Wolf back!
You could talk about Nezerec’s Whisper and how Nezerec might be another named Disciple
I think My Name Is Byf might have made a video on that topic, if you're interested
That egregor line you used of feeding on the life flashing before your eyes makes perfect sense considering darkness has powers over memories. That's how they feed the eggregor communal mind with knowledge and memories?
Happy Pappa Day to our Myelin!
Eeeeeyy!!! Great name choice! My boy LEO is gunna be 2 in August!
As for Calus, I've been waiting for you & Byf to make videos discussing some of the bizarre voice lines he's been coming out with!!
So 1) I think Calus had to go to mercury because that was where the leviathan was already parked.
2) From what we've seen so far my belief is Calus is using the egregore spore and dark energies to merge with the leviathan and make it his new cyborg super body BUT under the witness orders he has linked to the lunar pyrmid to in simple terms "upload it's operating system" in order to effectively transform the leviathan into a shop of the black fleet. It may change shape to become a world eating pyramid or just become a pyrmaid powered metal body for a super mutated Calus. Even if he became part of the ship he would or could still use his robot forms to interact with people beyond his ship.
The Leviathan could actually be in the process of being turned into a pyramid ship, or maybe some kind of Pyramid hybrid. In one of the Patrol scannables, you hear that the hull of the ship is actually something like 12 meters BELOW the area of the Royal Pools. The game makes references to things breaking and reforming and shifting, much like we've seen with the Throne World pyramid ship constantly shifting and adjusting as we walk through it. So this could be the case that the Leviathan is undergoing a sort of internal metamorphosis to try and turn it into a variation of a pyramid ship.
Or I could be 100% wrong. But it's fun to think about for now.
What if calus needs a pyramid to become the next witness???? Calus don't seem like the order taking type ya know
I want weekly discussions like this! It's great background while playing destiny and thinking more about the lore
Everything I go back to the concept art for the 4th race it's all leading to
Congrats on the new addition man! Missed your content, but family comes first!
Leo! Congratulations on the new addition to the fam!
Oh my goodness that intro was adorable. Congratulations on fatherhood ❤️
Congratz Myelin, all my wishes to you and your family. Best Destiny lore channel in YT.
Sorry but we have Lore Daddy too.
Toland- a dark secret to turn one's death into a chrysalis using the final shape
It’s Lore Baby!! From one dad to another, happy Father’s Day!
Aye congrats man, I hope the baby grows up to be the next lore master
Congrats on your little light. Very happy for you. Keep up the great content.
Happy Father's Day Myelin! Congrats on the baby, he's so precious!
Mylien! Congrats on your little one.Take your time getting into lore content dude. Happy to have you back :)
I really like this format. Whatever works best for you
Nice to see you back. Congrats on baby Leo!
well, in Witch Queen, when we revisit the Europa pyramid, Ghost mentions that we’ve never seen a pilot.
and if the Leviathan is transforming, maybe its taking the power from the pyramid to take the power away from the Hive? and become some kind of Pseudo pyramid
Welcome back Matty Daddy! And happy Father's day!
Welcome. Little light.
May you make your own fate and become legend.
Calus really trying to find out how Ghandi reached full Zen😂
the darkness and the witness both left calus unread on the group chat and he literally went to their dorm asking if they knew he existed
Congratulations on fatherhood! Cute baby! Happy Father's day dude!
I think Leviathan will definitely change aesthetic into the pyramid black angular stuff and probably come back next year
Mate ! Congratulations you’re a legend still doing a vid ! All the best from qld 🙌🏻
Congratulations on you’re lil blue berry, best of luck with your Sherpa adventures!
Regarding the room in Duality with the covered pyramid piece: my first thought went to The Kabba: the covered stone in Mecca prayed to as a tenet of Islam. Symbolism of worship, of devotion.
intuitive example you have given however the kabba is not a rock it is THE house of the muslim god on earth with rooms and pillars inside and it is covered with in curtains as it it is a part of the house the coverings. my reason to correct you was to remove misinformation.
@@hatimmurtaza7732 That's good to know! I've always heard it referred to as The Black Stone as the remains of a relic. Thank you!
@@pyrrhos8175 your welcome friend and btw there is a black stone fitted on the kabba's wall to answer your question about the black stone it's called the hajjar-e-aswad
THE BABY!!! Congratulations Myelin!
The final shape seems to be an ascension to a higher state of being.
Happy Father's Day, Myelin.
This is just myelin listening to his friend give us lore
Welcome back myelin! Congrats on baby!
#1 Destiny lore channel.
Welcome back Matt! This format is great, looking forward to more Leo cameos
Honestly, the idea that the Darkness's ideology is that the material world is a "cocoon" holding us back is not even remotely new. I mean, that was a big part of Shadowkeep's Unveiling lore book. Tbh, it feels weird that some of the stuff this season is being presented as though we(and Eris) are just learning it, when the Darkness beamed it directly into our DMs 2 years ago, as the ending of a major expansion.
Yeah and I'm still waiting on explanations for the Vex. All we've got is a sneaky line about a "vexing" pattern in the garden game and that at least 1 pyramid basically planted the Vex seed into Mercury somehow even before the Traveller got here.
Why did the Darkness want Clovis creating the portal and the Exo? Why did the pyramids dump a bunch of radiolaria into Mercury specifically? What are the Vex doing now while we're focused on the "bigger" threats?
We keep getting information we already have while more questions pop up and go unanswered.
Im having a Berserk reference moment. The Witness looks like the GodHand and there are Apostles like Rhulk and Calus.
Should have just titled the vid. "Wat do Calus be is doin son? Rel tawk". Sounds just as articulate.
Maybe the lunar pyramid is the pyramid that the darkness gave to us (the guardians) for when/if one of us becomes a disciple.
Love the tash myelin the is popping always love the content you bring very informative
I've thought you have had the best destiny lore channel since destiny 1
Oh thanks mate. :)
Your my #1 destiny lore channel.
Grats on the child.
I'm really starting to wonder if Bungie is hinting or even down right showing us the next darkness element with truesight, psionic spaces, nightmares, and egregore.
Stasis and its crystals are the only signature associated with darkness we have so perhaps we can assume each darkness element will have a physical signature. Perhaps egregore is the physical signature of our next subclass element, psychic.
The last two seasons as well as the Witch Queen expansion have all dealt with memories, trauma, nightmares, mindspaces, and general psyche. If next season is also related to the like, I don't think it's coincidence anymore, and we cannot ignore it anymore.
To play off this, blight is a term for various fungal diseases that kill off plants. Coincidentally, the damage Witherhoard deals is referred to as blight. Definite chance for one of our future Darkness subclasses, and possibly the Witherhoard itself, to have a connection to the egregore & the fungus growing all over the place. In my mind, Blight-based subclasses would be really interesting.
@@inktoxicant Taken classes would be nice.
Aa look at the baby congratulations my dude. Best wishes to you and yours
Wait until you shave and the baby freaks out,
First, Happy father day, and second congrats on the beautiful bby. I know this phase you will be super busy but thank you so much for the lore content :)
Congrats on the baby mate! He's beautiful!
Baby is so cute!🥰
Congrats on Baby Myelin! Can’t wait to see the lore on him lmaooo >:D
Little Myeline is so 🥰, congratulations Myeline
Congrats man, Welcome Leo!
PAPA MYELIN IS BACK!!! Betttttttttttttttt
Hope fatherhood is treating you well Matt!!
Welcome back and happy father's Day!!!
Some possible references I'm still pondering:
- "such sights to behold": Hellraiser reference
- "Leviathan heart beats anew": Isn't it powered by eating planets? Did it eat Mercury? What fed it?
- It vs They: Calus consistently refers to The Witness as "it" but everyone else uses "they". Is Calus actually talking about The Witness?
- Mind-machine-clone meld: Very reminiscent of Exo tech and Taken magic
- "prove myself": Calus is being tested there before being a Disciple. Why?
I think that's why He is growing the fungi in Leviathan.. to emerge with it by taking egregore..
Bro God bless your beautiful family. I have a 3 year-old boy and he changed my life.
@27:07 hmm Rhulk had his eyes on Elsie and Eris. Calus doesn't need a pyramid, he already has his leviathan. So it could be that the Europan pyramid is for Elsie when she becomes a disciple and the lunar one could be for Eris.
Mylin you are a beloved Lore Daddy as much as and regardless of That Other One!
Baby be like "what the heck is going on?" Congrats to you and your family. Great video 👍👍
Okay here’s what I think: Calus is using the egregore to link his mind with everything around him. I think he that he is changing and transforming the leviathan by manipulating the egregore, or by forcing the egregore to manipulate the leviathan. He talked about severing his final connections to his flesh and I think we might be doing that by killing his nightmares in Duality. By doing this, I think he’s becoming one with the egregore so his mind can transcend time and space like it can. Completely theory, not much evidence, but fungus-demon Calus would be pretty interesting to fight.
There is probably zero weight from me, but now that you've said this, maybe he is becoming one with the Leviathan, to then try and consume the pyramid ship on the moon.
he turned himself into a -pickle- leviathan
8:53 To answer that guy’s question, it all depends on where Mars, Io, and/or Mercury is in their orbits around the Sun or Jupiter, respectively. Although, most ships have jump drives in the Destiny universe; but, maybe the Leviathan can’t have one due to how much energy it would require to perform a light speed jump.
Egregor is basically the mushrooms from the Super Mario Bros liveaction movie.
Your baby is adorable. Congrats , thanx for the lore videos I would be so lost
Happy fathersday myelin! Take good care of the young light
Congrats on the baby! Happy Father's day
congrats on the successful baby creation, and welcome back!
LEO! Also Calus is definitely off his rocker this season
Congrats Myelin!!!
Congrats on the kid, welcome back!
Congratulations bud, and you did all the hard work!...
Happy Father's Day Myelin! Leo's got a super cool dad :)
literally gave it an instant like because of your adorable baby! congratulations mate from one new father to another 👍
If death feeds the egregore, then we're helping Calus with every kill in containment, patrols, and sever. The ones that aren't nightmares, at least
Nothing like a cute baby for a dark haunted starship themed video! 😂
Love this format!!
14:20 Maybe this was why Katabasis was tethered by tendrils of egregore in the Glykon?
Welcome back man!!!
It's big daddy Myelin multiplying himself.
What do you call a cool mushroom?
A fungi.
When we first seen the witness and the entity like pulled back like an old theatre curtain revealing the pyramid ships (i think), could that be the veil of creation? Like where the witness is?
I've had an idea in my head over the sever missions each week that the Leviathan is coming alive. Each week the egregore spreads further and looks almost like muscle fibers and entrails, it is known to be like a nerve pathway. What if the Leviathan becomes this giant monster of darkness?
Oh that might be the whole "the leviathan is shifting" plot point, that calus is trying to now shape it to be his new form
@@eliaspanayi3465 Imagine fighting through the leviathan raid but instead of just rehashing the original raid, we have to fight about way to the heart of the Leviathan and kill Calus for good