9:11 Are you both forgetting that Bay was actually attached to do a Lobo movie in the DCEU back in 2018? Doesn't mean much under the new management of course, but Bay has already expressed interest, taken meetings, and even gone as far as giving script notes on this project. The two names attached before Bay were Guy Ritchie followed by Brad Peyton.
That was such a weird narrative that was created by fans of the film. I don't see him as Bond in that film at all. He's too much behind the 8 ball the whole time.
This isn't meant against you guys, it's my general feeling, I'm so over these DCU news. Gunn announced his supposed state 2 years ago and we are still having the same basic questions about Batman and Wonder Woman...make it stop.
I can see people are uncomfortable saying it might be possible a woman might not be a nice person. I can say as a girl that I have been affected by nasty men. I have also met really bad women. Men can physically fight each other. Women learn how to manipulate. We have a woman with a successful husband. TMZ said in their reporting it was all about her ego. She sees this franchise as a rom com. She probably wanted to pressure him to give her the rights. Trouble is she went too far hurting multiple people. She also thought her access to money would make them fold. I hope it does go to court. The jury in the Depp case said her actions were malicious. It doesn't matter what the gender is. This behaviour should be exposed.
I don't really need to see a Squid Game that's made by and starring people who would more likely be funding it than competing, but when Jeff suggested dodgeball I did get a bit excited about the possibilities.
Since it's fincher I wonder if pitt could play one of the characters he'd be great as that guy who was the player 456s friend if they do have a character of that nature in the show
No, gotham isn't that grounded. Is Poison Ivy grounded? Is Bane grounded (not from TDKR)? Clay face is not grounded. Did you watch Creature Commandos? There needs to be a separate Batman for the DCU.
Id love to see poison ivy in Reeves Batman as a Gotham socialite ala shiv roy, who fights for green initiatives in the city but is responsible for like that drug they mentioned being passed around the streets of Gotham which could be layered if she's given an altruistic reason to do so like maybe she's trying to seek her child's approval or like maybe her father whose ailed but refuses to give her the company as she doesn't think she's fit for it. Modernizing her into a shiv roy Walter white type character could work in a grounded Reeves world especially if Batman searches for her throughout the movie but isn't able to catch her by the end of that movie but maybe by the beginning of the next one. But having her and Bruce interact and be chummy would be low-key interesting 🤔
The idea that The Batman takes place in the same world as Hawkgirl and Green Lantern is ridiculous. The movie will loose its identity and what made it special if it takes place a few hundred or a thousand miles from this upcoming Superman's goings-on.
There are 80 years of Batman comics that prove the character is multifaceted. He has grounded and fantastical stories all the time. That’s part of the multifaceted nature of the character. Saying the Batman doesn’t fit is like saying a third of Batman’s history doesn’t fit with the rest. And contrasting tones is the whole point of Batman and Superman. Creature commandos does not look like it has the same tone as Superman. But how could it possibly fit?? It’s almost like these universes and characters are expansive and have different kinds of stories and tones.
The Batman doesn’t fit not because of the tone but because of the world it takes place in. Reeves designed that version to exclude METAHUMANS. METAHUMANS IS THE ISSUE NOT TONE! They changed Penguin’s last name because they felt it was too wacky. The only way Pattinson’s Batman becomes DCU Batman is if you can Reeves which they clearly aren’t doing.
@@truboss9470 So what? Things are grounded until they are not. At no point in the actual movie does someone say that no meta humans exist. Putting Pattinson in the DCU doesn’t mean it will strictly be through reeves’ lense. Especially since Pattinson wants to do supernatural stuff. A different creative behind the camera can do something fantastical with him.
@@sreyangovender3404 How? Reeves said year one was an inspiration and that story was always meant to be in continuity and it’s pretty grounded. The tones being different are the whole damn point. They should be different. These projects all shouldn’t feel the same. Batman stories have so much variety. First avenger has a different tone than winter soldier. Daredevil has a completely different tone than 90 percent of the mcu.
Robert Pattinson cannot be a beefy batman. the guy could barely beef up for Reeves' Batman. So if they are going beefy there's no chance its Pattinson lol
I don’t think Pattinson will be in Gunnverse. Gunn said he wants elseworlds.. take away Pattinson and what else does he have? Also, he talked about how his Batman is clearly capable enough to take down the Clayface/phosphrous. Don’t think Pattinson is there at all unless they power him up
Loved Gal as Wonder Woman. Even as a limited Actress, she had the Charisma, Beauty and Likeability for that Role. That said, if you recast, Adria Arjona would be THE perfect Choice.
The letter from the conservative (what we heard of it) and Rocha rant is kind of a perfect look at what a lot of people see as the “liberal knows best” mentality people are tired of. I’m sure this simple observation will get people mad which just means you all need thicker skin, I agree with Rocha on that.
They spent four years saying the most vile shit about Biden, his son, his wife, his family and his life of public service and people like that person who wrote that letter didn't say one word to stop their MAGA friends and family from saying that stuff. But a few comments about MAGA people or Trump or people who voted for Trump and it's "can't we all just get along" time. Nonsense. Practice what you preach all around or don't preach at all.
Your problem is you see everything in a bubble. You use words like “they said” and assume things about the writer you have no idea about. Because I care about the truth and having real conversations with opposing views I make sure to have two separate algorithms in order to collect as many talking points I can get from the left and the right. Your talking points are one sided, just as much as some of the nut jobs on the right you like to claim is “they” or all conservatives. Again, your response speaks volumes. I assume you don’t want an echo chamber of fans, right?
@@rad-dad56 So you are giving me shit about assuming a few things about the writer of that letter by.....ASSUMING ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT ME! Lol Hypocritical, much? I don't live in a bubble, bud. I have plenty of conservative friends from back in Virginia and a few of my friends' parents are MAGA people and I hear the conspiracy laden, foolishness they believe in. I also constantly watch segments from Fox News, OANN, and other right wing leaning networks so I can see the misinformation they pump out. Kudos to you for your supposedly two feeds existence, but the problem I have found with many of you who claim to do this is that you're always leaning right while claiming that you listen to both sides. I've been a political junkie since I was 9 or 10 so this is all second nature to me. You just might be the one in the bubble, chico.
I made no assumptions about you. Reread it. You are a public figure who has been online sharing your opinions and thoughts for a long time. I support your right to do so. All I’m trying to say is you have a tendency to put down a large group of people and you have fans who are trying to tell you this and your response is to double down and get angry and defensive. Again, if you want an echo chamber around you, that is cool. You and Jeff have a good show and it’s a bummer not everyone can check it out without feeling attacked, but it’s your show.
Well, there were always rumours about let's say Harvey supporting Blake Lively. Remember when she was testing for Catwoman in Nolan's Batman next to super-experienced actresses? LOL
I used to think otherwise, but now I think Gunn wants Pattinson and they’re just holding off for now and keeping it secret until they officially announce it down the road. He’s on Twitter a lot and I feel like he has plenty of opportunities to once and for all shutdown the rumors about Pattinson being DCU Batman that’ve been swirling around but hasn’t. I know he said he wanted to do his own thing, but things change. Happy New Year fellas!
Give me Alex Skarsgard in a Robert eggers directed dcu Aquaman lol make it 1000 leagues under the sea type of Gothic English dark fantasy masterpiece lol id imagine he'd direct it like a god of war film just a giant cracken vs Aquaman
When you recommended him that's what I thought of 😂 idk if he'd do it but goddamn that'd interest the heck out of me or him doing a king Arthur movie I really hope one day he does one
@SuperMayne25 That comment tells me everything I need to know about the kind of person you are. I don't want or ever again need to exchange words or thoughts with you. Please stop responding to my comments and / or thoughts!!! 🙏 🙏 🙏
I'm sorry, but it's a little bit rich for Trump supporters and conservatives asking people to tone it down on the Trump-bashing or the Trump-supporter bashing, given who THEY support and how he's made it his stock in trade to bash and insult everyone under the Sun who's not like him, and who's essentially not MAGA. Rich and hypocrticial considering this is the same crowd that luxuriates in phrases like "Eff your feelings", and "He says it like it is" ...whenever that dude says racist, misogynist or bigoted stuff. This is who you voted for and you knew of all the baggage he was bringing along with him in doing so. Spare us - ....the rest of us who have to endure his cr*p - the crocodile tears.
Ryan said he wouldn't do Deadpool 4 or his wife would divorce him. We may find him pulling away from Wrexham if she doesn't like the time he spends in Wales. I wonder how much he is finding out about the truth via the texts. The fat shaming was a set up. Justin has pictures in hospital. Rock Hudson carried Doris Day with a contraption ( which I spotted in the film) to take her weight. That was legitimate. How did she convey Justin's worries to Ryan? Having 4 children is another way to hold onto him. Sorry to say some women are like that.
Just to ad to my comments. Men are extremely easy to manipulate. Most men have an innate need to protect women. You use that to get what you want. I have said to myself; how is this person not seeing what I am doing. Its because they don't expect it. Then you have to decide if it is the type of person you want to be. As John said Lively is not the type of woman to be taken advantage of. Everything she asked for was given because they knew what she would do if it was not. The initial complaint was a ploy to get people behind her without having to provide proof. They only put out a lawsuit after the Baldoni suit. They had no choice. I suspect they will try to settle but Baldoni and co should not.
There are some visual inconsistencies already in Gunns dc as Frank Grillo is nowhere near as grey haired in the Superman set photos as his character is in the show. So ultimately the Batman look can still go leaner or bulkier than that silhouette, but it is fun to speculate.
yea frank said he couldn’t dye it bc he had another thing and who gives af fr. u can just say he dyed his hair just like that one dude did in peacemaker. Corenswet’s superman looks the same animated and* live action
Baldoni should have had an intimate coordinator available on set and he shouldn’t have hired his friend a non-actor last minute to play the gynaecologist - at the very least that makes him an unprofessional director who failed to create a safe set. Not a blanket BL defence cuz she has a history of throwing her weight around and not getting along with her costars, but those two points if not defended so speak to an unprofessional set environment on the part of JB.
She refused the intimacy coordinator. Look up his lawsuit. It has her text saying she doesn't need one and they'll be fine without one or they can get one on the day of the shoot.
Bay's Wonder Woman would be like that Victoria's Secret commercial he did in 2010 😂
9:11 Are you both forgetting that Bay was actually attached to do a Lobo movie in the DCEU back in 2018? Doesn't mean much under the new management of course, but Bay has already expressed interest, taken meetings, and even gone as far as giving script notes on this project.
The two names attached before Bay were Guy Ritchie followed by Brad Peyton.
Yes, I did. Interesting. A Bay Lobo would be awesome, but I doubt he'd do it or that Gunn would bring him in. You can' t control The Bay. lol
@@JohnRochaSays How about Ben Affleck coming back ti direct a Lobo movie? Or yeah David Ayer and Joe Carnahan and Gunn writing it👀
John David Washington was superb in Tenet! His character is still the only unofficial black James Bond we've had on the big screen
That was such a weird narrative that was created by fans of the film. I don't see him as Bond in that film at all. He's too much behind the 8 ball the whole time.
This isn't meant against you guys, it's my general feeling, I'm so over these DCU news. Gunn announced his supposed state 2 years ago and we are still having the same basic questions about Batman and Wonder Woman...make it stop.
Still don't think Pattinson will become Gunn's Batman.
I can see people are uncomfortable saying it might be possible a woman might not be a nice person. I can say as a girl that I have been affected by nasty men. I have also met really bad women. Men can physically fight each other. Women learn how to manipulate. We have a woman with a successful husband. TMZ said in their reporting it was all about her ego. She sees this franchise as a rom com. She probably wanted to pressure him to give her the rights. Trouble is she went too far hurting multiple people. She also thought her access to money would make them fold. I hope it does go to court. The jury in the Depp case said her actions were malicious. It doesn't matter what the gender is. This behaviour should be exposed.
i been begging for kang to get recasted if they want jonathan majors out. id love to get a seen between dr doom & kang before kang gets obliterated
Rocha Trump rant was spot on
I don't really need to see a Squid Game that's made by and starring people who would more likely be funding it than competing, but when Jeff suggested dodgeball I did get a bit excited about the possibilities.
Since it's fincher I wonder if pitt could play one of the characters he'd be great as that guy who was the player 456s friend if they do have a character of that nature in the show
No, gotham isn't that grounded. Is Poison Ivy grounded? Is Bane grounded (not from TDKR)? Clay face is not grounded. Did you watch Creature Commandos? There needs to be a separate Batman for the DCU.
@@BluTattu Grounded and realistic are different, grounded is like game of thrones realistic Kindom but dragon and magic still exist
Id love to see poison ivy in Reeves Batman as a Gotham socialite ala shiv roy, who fights for green initiatives in the city but is responsible for like that drug they mentioned being passed around the streets of Gotham which could be layered if she's given an altruistic reason to do so like maybe she's trying to seek her child's approval or like maybe her father whose ailed but refuses to give her the company as she doesn't think she's fit for it. Modernizing her into a shiv roy Walter white type character could work in a grounded Reeves world especially if Batman searches for her throughout the movie but isn't able to catch her by the end of that movie but maybe by the beginning of the next one. But having her and Bruce interact and be chummy would be low-key interesting 🤔
9:23
Funnily enough, Michael Bay was, at one point, eyed for a Lobo film.
Time stamps please 🙏🙏🙏
They're coming.
@ I hope, I can’t watch without them
@@btafbm I hope you can too. I hope you have the strength to just hit play and let the episode just go. I think you can do it. I'm cheering you on.
@@JohnRochaSays not everyone has 2 free hours to watch a podcast. Time stamps let you watch what you actually care about
Another great episode guys 😊
Happy new year johny boiiii and jeffman
The idea that The Batman takes place in the same world as Hawkgirl and Green Lantern is ridiculous. The movie will loose its identity and what made it special if it takes place a few hundred or a thousand miles from this upcoming Superman's goings-on.
Superman is clearly busy with Kaiju. Maybe Gotham is abandoned, or neglected. Could be a plot point
I wonder if Ana de Armas is the movie star that reached out to Jeff. I think she’s been fancast as Wonder Woman before.
There are 80 years of Batman comics that prove the character is multifaceted. He has grounded and fantastical stories all the time. That’s part of the multifaceted nature of the character. Saying the Batman doesn’t fit is like saying a third of Batman’s history doesn’t fit with the rest. And contrasting tones is the whole point of Batman and Superman. Creature commandos does not look like it has the same tone as Superman. But how could it possibly fit?? It’s almost like these universes and characters are expansive and have different kinds of stories and tones.
The Batman doesn’t fit not because of the tone but because of the world it takes place in. Reeves designed that version to exclude METAHUMANS. METAHUMANS IS THE ISSUE NOT TONE! They changed Penguin’s last name because they felt it was too wacky. The only way Pattinson’s Batman becomes DCU Batman is if you can Reeves which they clearly aren’t doing.
Trying to retroactively insert Reeves' Batman into the DCU with such vastly contrasting live-action tones makes no sense
@@truboss9470 So what? Things are grounded until they are not. At no point in the actual movie does someone say that no meta humans exist. Putting Pattinson in the DCU doesn’t mean it will strictly be through reeves’ lense. Especially since Pattinson wants to do supernatural stuff. A different creative behind the camera can do something fantastical with him.
@@sreyangovender3404 How? Reeves said year one was an inspiration and that story was always meant to be in continuity and it’s pretty grounded. The tones being different are the whole damn point. They should be different. These projects all shouldn’t feel the same. Batman stories have so much variety. First avenger has a different tone than winter soldier. Daredevil has a completely different tone than 90 percent of the mcu.
@@sreyangovender3404 it’s better than leaving dc disjointed again for the sake retreading old ground that Nolan already wore out.
Is Jeff always like this?
Oh yeah. 😂
@@luhedi6303hes so arrogant lmao. At first I found it annoying but i find it funny now
Like what? Jeff Seider, yes the man the myth the legend scooper.
@@charlesquirtoz724jeff is the man.
Robert Pattinson cannot be a beefy batman. the guy could barely beef up for Reeves' Batman. So if they are going beefy there's no chance its Pattinson lol
Blink Twice and Strange Darling, both in my Top 10 of 2024!!
In another parallel universe, Rocha and Jeff are the heads of DC and running the DCU.
Maye Calaway from moon knight would be a great Wonder Woman
Maybe the date of the Batman 2 has been shifted a year up so they can film part 3 back to back and getting both it out of the way
As usual another great episode of the hot mic. Happy new year from New Zealand gentlemen.
Thank you, sir! Happy New Year!
I don’t think Pattinson will be in Gunnverse. Gunn said he wants elseworlds.. take away Pattinson and what else does he have? Also, he talked about how his Batman is clearly capable enough to take down the Clayface/phosphrous. Don’t think Pattinson is there at all unless they power him up
Loved Gal as Wonder Woman. Even as a limited Actress, she had the Charisma, Beauty and Likeability for that Role. That said, if you recast, Adria Arjona would be THE perfect Choice.
The letter from the conservative (what we heard of it) and Rocha rant is kind of a perfect look at what a lot of people see as the “liberal knows best” mentality people are tired of. I’m sure this simple observation will get people mad which just means you all need thicker skin, I agree with Rocha on that.
They spent four years saying the most vile shit about Biden, his son, his wife, his family and his life of public service and people like that person who wrote that letter didn't say one word to stop their MAGA friends and family from saying that stuff. But a few comments about MAGA people or Trump or people who voted for Trump and it's "can't we all just get along" time. Nonsense. Practice what you preach all around or don't preach at all.
Your problem is you see everything in a bubble. You use words like “they said” and assume things about the writer you have no idea about. Because I care about the truth and having real conversations with opposing views I make sure to have two separate algorithms in order to collect as many talking points I can get from the left and the right. Your talking points are one sided, just as much as some of the nut jobs on the right you like to claim is “they” or all conservatives. Again, your response speaks volumes. I assume you don’t want an echo chamber of fans, right?
@@rad-dad56 So you are giving me shit about assuming a few things about the writer of that letter by.....ASSUMING ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT ME! Lol Hypocritical, much? I don't live in a bubble, bud. I have plenty of conservative friends from back in Virginia and a few of my friends' parents are MAGA people and I hear the conspiracy laden, foolishness they believe in. I also constantly watch segments from Fox News, OANN, and other right wing leaning networks so I can see the misinformation they pump out. Kudos to you for your supposedly two feeds existence, but the problem I have found with many of you who claim to do this is that you're always leaning right while claiming that you listen to both sides. I've been a political junkie since I was 9 or 10 so this is all second nature to me. You just might be the one in the bubble, chico.
I made no assumptions about you. Reread it. You are a public figure who has been online sharing your opinions and thoughts for a long time. I support your right to do so. All I’m trying to say is you have a tendency to put down a large group of people and you have fans who are trying to tell you this and your response is to double down and get angry and defensive. Again, if you want an echo chamber around you, that is cool. You and Jeff have a good show and it’s a bummer not everyone can check it out without feeling attacked, but it’s your show.
I’ve been saying for years I’d love Zach Cregger in the DCU
How crazy those Dune books get? I'm not sure how much more I want to see in the movies...
Human/Sandworm babies!
Clayface is in creature commando too
Wonder Woman.... Adria Arjona or Charlee Fraser.
hell yeah
Well, there were always rumours about let's say Harvey supporting Blake Lively. Remember when she was testing for Catwoman in Nolan's Batman next to super-experienced actresses? LOL
The Harvey Blake stuff is very shady and all but confirmed
dont let michael bay near the dcu please
Michael Bay wonder woman would be badass
How about Ben Affleck coming back ti direct a Lobo movie? Or yeah David Ayer and Joe Carnahan and Gunn writing it👀
I think Shailene Woodley could be a pretty good Wonder Woman but Adria Arjona is great.
Arjona is better but if you're gonna go the Woodley direction then Elizabeth Debicki is a way better choice
@SuperMayne25 Nah I'm gonna stick with Shailene Woodley and Adria Arjona.
Melissanthi Mahut as Wonder Woman, please
Mr. Rocha on here going HAM! Good stuff gentlemen.
Battinson in the DCU would kill 2 DC universes for me
@@anthonyi.3118 my goodness relax
They don't make movies just for you.
I used to think otherwise, but now I think Gunn wants Pattinson and they’re just holding off for now and keeping it secret until they officially announce it down the road. He’s on Twitter a lot and I feel like he has plenty of opportunities to once and for all shutdown the rumors about Pattinson being DCU Batman that’ve been swirling around but hasn’t. I know he said he wanted to do his own thing, but things change.
Happy New Year fellas!
Give me Alex Skarsgard in a Robert eggers directed dcu Aquaman lol make it 1000 leagues under the sea type of Gothic English dark fantasy masterpiece lol id imagine he'd direct it like a god of war film just a giant cracken vs Aquaman
Ooooooooooo I do like that idea!
When you recommended him that's what I thought of 😂 idk if he'd do it but goddamn that'd interest the heck out of me or him doing a king Arthur movie I really hope one day he does one
HOLY GOD, NO!!!
Keep Michael Bay away
from Wonder Woman!!!
😱😱😱
Katy O' Brian would be an excellent Wonder Woman
hahahah no
@SuperMayne25 Hahaha... no one asked for your opinion!!
@@MindofMike35 she's not even hot
@SuperMayne25 That comment tells me everything I need to know about the kind of person you are.
I don't want or ever again need to exchange words or thoughts with you.
Please stop responding to my comments and / or thoughts!!!
🙏 🙏 🙏
@@MindofMike35 yeah because WW shouldn't be hot hahahah okay beta
From the look of the Superman trailer Rob Pats Batman wouldn’t work IMO….
Lauren Lavera from the Terrifier franchise should be the new wonder woman!!
I'm sorry, but it's a little bit rich for Trump supporters and conservatives asking people to tone it down on the Trump-bashing or the Trump-supporter bashing, given who THEY support and how he's made it his stock in trade to bash and insult everyone under the Sun who's not like him, and who's essentially not MAGA.
Rich and hypocrticial considering this is the same crowd that luxuriates in phrases like "Eff your feelings", and "He says it like it is" ...whenever that dude says racist, misogynist or bigoted stuff.
This is who you voted for and you knew of all the baggage he was bringing along with him in doing so.
Spare us - ....the rest of us who have to endure his cr*p - the crocodile tears.
@@Cbricklyne 100% the truth here. 👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽
Ryan said he wouldn't do Deadpool 4 or his wife would divorce him. We may find him pulling away from Wrexham if she doesn't like the time he spends in Wales. I wonder how much he is finding out about the truth via the texts. The fat shaming was a set up. Justin has pictures in hospital. Rock Hudson carried Doris Day with a contraption ( which I spotted in the film) to take her weight. That was legitimate. How did she convey Justin's worries to Ryan? Having 4 children is another way to hold onto him. Sorry to say some women are like that.
I'm the biggest nerd in the world lol!
Women have never lied ever! Blake must be telling the truth!
Just to ad to my comments. Men are extremely easy to manipulate. Most men have an innate need to protect women. You use that to get what you want. I have said to myself; how is this person not seeing what I am doing. Its because they don't expect it. Then you have to decide if it is the type of person you want to be. As John said Lively is not the type of woman to be taken advantage of. Everything she asked for was given because they knew what she would do if it was not. The initial complaint was a ploy to get people behind her without having to provide proof. They only put out a lawsuit after the Baldoni suit. They had no choice. I suspect they will try to settle but Baldoni and co should not.
There are some visual inconsistencies already in Gunns dc as Frank Grillo is nowhere near as grey haired in the Superman set photos as his character is in the show. So ultimately the Batman look can still go leaner or bulkier than that silhouette, but it is fun to speculate.
yea frank said he couldn’t dye it bc he had another thing and who gives af fr. u can just say he dyed his hair just like that one dude did in peacemaker. Corenswet’s superman looks the same animated and* live action
Baldoni should have had an intimate coordinator available on set and he shouldn’t have hired his friend a non-actor last minute to play the gynaecologist - at the very least that makes him an unprofessional director who failed to create a safe set. Not a blanket BL defence cuz she has a history of throwing her weight around and not getting along with her costars, but those two points if not defended so speak to an unprofessional set environment on the part of JB.
She refused the intimacy coordinator. Look up his lawsuit. It has her text saying she doesn't need one and they'll be fine without one or they can get one on the day of the shoot.