I have commented about quite a few similar suggestions so I think I'll leave this post here in case your great mind is thinking alike! 1) Golf Ball Dimples / Shark-Skin or otherwise textured coatings for reduction of air drag: Golf balls work by increasing viscous drag but decreasing pressure drag by more (put very simply here, many good vids out there). Since my tops don't experience pressure drag, adding texture would only increase viscous drag. So far, I've found that a perfectly polished surface is best, however it is certainly an area for innovation so do leave other ideas! 2) Ruby/Sapphire jewel tips/bases: Tungsten carbide, like I use, is harder! And easier to get in a spiked form which benefits more from lubrication. 3) Polycrystaline Diamond/Cubic Boron Nitride tips/bases: These are harder, but very abrasive. If only used for the tip, it would cause drilling. If only used for the base, it would rapidly blunten the tip. If used for both ... I'll admit I haven't tried yet but I suspect both would occur. 4) Uranium/Osmium/Platinum etc flywheel: (Apart from uranium) I would LOVE this, however I am not a millionaire so this is completely out of my price range. Pure tungsten would be the densest viable option (almost 20g/cm^3) however I have struggled to machine it in the past. Hence, Mk.22 used a 90-10 alloy (16.75 g/cm^3) which is softer.
@EuroWarsOrg I actually put something similar on for the full spin video! I just took it off the top in this video to make it more pretty but I am looking into aerodynamic ways of making the spin more visible :)
@@jjb0nks It should spin on some kind of point, either conical, spherical etc. A bearing like that would stop the top from being able to topple, hence it is no longer a spinning top.
@@hiper_tops Does the base have to be static? The base could be another spinning element (with a means to retract when it loses momentum, a centrifugal clutch mechanism or something). That way tip friction could be reduced. The base element could have a shell around the top's doughnut (to shield it from drag). The thinking is to have something like multistage rocket, but with like mechanical parts acting as boundary layer separators to reduce the delta V to the surroundings.
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Just found this High-performance project. The stability at slow speeds is insane. Well done!
This might be a dumb idea that you've already tried but old mechanical watches used ruby jewels to minimise friction and wear, that might help drop the tip friction lower if you want to progress further? IDK, you're the engineer! Such a cool series, thankyou!
@@phiro4305 The contact point is definitely an area for innovation. I (and others) have found that hardness certainly isn't the only factor - cubic boron nitride and polycrystalline diamond for example are highly abrasive. A carbide spiked tip spinning on either can become blunt over the course of a single spin, causing imbalance, more friction and worse performance. If we swapped the base and tip materials, now the spinning top would drill into the base, get stuck in the hole causing vibrations and losses. Also, yes, coeficient of friction when dry (for ball tips) or oiled (for spike/micro-ball tips) is important! The typical solution is to use materials of similar, high hardness for the tip and base. HSS on WCarbide is good for longevity but for a single spin, WCarbide on WCarbide is the best. Interestingly, perhaps due to Mk.22's incredible spin time, I have found that over a single spin WCarbide on WCarbide can cause drilling and vibrations - you will see this in the full spin video. In my testing it has seemed quite consistent that after about 45-50 minutes, some vibrations occur (not due to imbalance but getting stuck in a hole as described above). If you have any suggestions, do give them (regardless of if you are an engineer or not! I am still a student) :) @xzorby for example suggested a DLC coating on the tip which I am now looking into!
I don’t have any suggestions for the top itself but I’d love to see a video delving more into the maths and theory behind your designs. It seems like you did a lot of it to get your formulas for an optimal setup and is honestly the most impressive thing to me from this whole video
Hi I was initially going to have quite a bit more info like this in this video, however when editing, I realised the video would probably suffer (people would click off!). This is because I'm not familiar with editing maths and physics into something enjoyable to watch - however I will try and take inspiration from other youtubers and add more info next time, perhaps a separate video as there is so much.
@@hiper_topsI get what you mean. This is the first video of yours I watched but I’ve since gone back to look at your earlier vids and liked them too because of your style. A separate theory video would be good to have especially for someone like me because as soon as I saw this I wanted to know the thinking behind it and how I could maybe attempt the challenge as well (maybe you don’t want to share your record setting secrets though that’d be understandable).
@@H4PPYx337 Thanks for watching them! I would gladly share the thinking that goes into my tops, but perhaps not the specific formula(s) I have used .. yet! The most challenging part is modelling the air drag as a heads up :)
High performance, seeing this channel for the first time, no bs just straight graphs, beautiful machining and spinning shots and lovely music. Instant sub
I don’t know whether I am more impressed with the math and science of this, or the art. This is some high-performance work right here. Seriously, love this to bits.
why are there so many comments saying "High Performance! xxxx"? it looks really suspect, like hes paying for views or offering "prizes" to people for commenting, i.e. buying views.
@@hiper_tops ahh that clears it up. thanks for making that clear, i was a bit sketched off from the comments. i have removed my dislike though, seeing as there is no shady shit going on.
Okay! haha :) The thing is this product would be quite expensive (very small supply, a lot of skilled manual labour and rare materials) and I want to deliver something amazing! There's a lot of work to do ... but of course I will keep everyone updated😄
You can always offer the poor man's 10 min top :) But, I want one spinning in my office for 30minutes at a time so I can pomodoro between spins @@hiper_tops
Amazing! I imagine getting a top to spin this long teaches you things that are SUPER transferrable to modern engineering. Like, every problem you had to solve probably also exists in electric motors, car engines, etc
A spectacular feat of precision engineering for a self taught teenager. It looks simply beautiful. You have navigated the complexities of physics and mathematics very well. Congratulations HiPer Tops.
High-Performance! Love this - I'd definitely buy one of these, so I'm looking forward to when they are ready for sale. Edit: scratch the below, I'm not the first person to ask this! Also, I have question: I'm curious, would a dimpled pattern, akin to a golf ball, make for a more efficient grip? In the case of the golf ball, this helps to keep the flow of air more tightly bound to the ball, so there's a smaller pocket of low pressure behind it, but in the case of a rotating object, I don't know if the dimples would be of any use, or if it would make drag worse due to the turbulence. I suppose you may have already considered this, given the number of iterations. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.
What an amazing video. What tops it for me is seeing you build it in your shop. I can only imagine the stress of making the pieces with such nice materials. Truly high performance!
Thank you! Yes some of it was made on a lathe at my university as it cuts harder materials like tungsten better. However most was done on my mini-lathe in my bedroom!
What a beautiful piece of art you have created and such high-performance to boot!! I and my autistic grandson would love to have something like this in our collection. Thank you for sharing your passion with us all!! 😎💜
This is amazing! To me this is the ultimate in the "unlimited" class of tops, essentially doing anything you want with the geometry. However, I feel a little bit of the essence of the classic top is lost by allowing a recessed tip and elevated stand--as that essentially removes the part that makes most tops fall over: the precession from CG being above the tip, and the effect of the sides of the top contacting the ground if your spin technique isn't perfect. Therefore as a follow on I think it would be cool to see your optimization of the design under a "legacy" class where it has to run on a flat surface (no recessed tip, or cupped holder). I wonder how the design would change.. because you still would want to get the CG as low as possible, but if too low, the sides would contact the ground too easily. So it's a different optimization. Anyway, as an engineer this is where my mind goes. Good work.
This is a good idea, I would love to develop a top optimised for single spin, spinning on a flat surface etc. I should be able to use a lot of the formulas etc I've found so far, but it would be an interesting new set of design challenges!
I have never had the thought to create a world class spinning top. But, I sure appreciate the dedication and precision you have shown toward your craft. Congratulations on your achievement!
It's a cool idea but unfortunately not! Golf ball dimples help by increasing viscous (skin friction) drag but decreasing pressure drag (by more!). Since spinning tops don't experience pressure drag and only viscous drag, dimples would be counter productive. You may find this video interesting: ruclips.net/video/g_LTJTaOxCs/видео.html&ab_channel=BilletSPIN Note the best top has internal dimples, however the change in airflow in this region is unlikely to be the helping factor; but rather light-weighting to reduce tip friction.
High performance! For aerodynamics it would be really cool to see smoke stream testing on this. I think the geometry of the base may actually be pretty significant. For the top itself, maybe a blade around the center of the top better direct the top and bottom air flows as they come together? On the friction side of things it may be worth going back to a dual material or hollow design. It would complicate your analysis there, but it may be worth it to bring mass down without affecting inertia too much
@@tebla2074 Good point. I'm curious how much it would affect the time. It would quantify roughly how much drag there is compared to friction. Could give insight onto further improvements.
@@rebeccarivers4797 You are right, this data would be very useful. And @tebla2074 is right about how it can be achieved. I just need to get access to a suitable vacuum chamber, however I suspect making one myself may be easier as what I'm looking for is quite an unusual shape. I'll see what I can do!
High-Performance! Congrats on hitting 1 hour, if you haven't already, you should see if you can get an official world record with Guinness. I'm not sure how that works personally, but if it interests you, then I'm sure you can figure it out. Good luck with that, and/or with your future tops.
@@prdoyle Yes a Hand done no machine run top should have own category as the 27 hour top has one of the magnet flywheel engines inside so machine can go for a very long time. Also, a big spinning item that uses earth rotation and is still spinning was once considered a top before Guinness World Records changed it into a time category.
Damn... this is such a good channel, the subject is interesting the vibes are perfect and the high performance passion make it so good... Continue like that :D
James, I think I saw an old video of your some years ago but happened across this one today. Unbelieveable! Truly a High-performance spinning top. A few points / questions: 1) Please fix your CAD! I saw you had made it in a public Onshape document so I had a look, and you're making life so difficult for youself. a. Model the whole top in a single part studio! There's no need to create a seperate document for every part. Think of documents as binders which hold everything related to something. They can have parts, assemblies, drawings, etc inside. It will make your life so much easier modifying the design and keeping interfaces working between parts. b. Some of your parts aren't fully defined (blue vs black sketch segments) which may cause you headaches down the line if you accidentally adjust something and attempt to make it again. c. Your assembly is floating in space, and has no relation to the origin. Move the point of the tip to the origin, and then aling everything about the Z axis. Then when you measure CoG of the assembly its coordinates will be in relation to the point of the tip. d. I couldn't help myself and re-modelled the Mk.23 shown in the video. If you go to Onshape > Public Documents and search for "James Goh - MK.23 Clean" You should find it. 2) I noticed in your CAD that the brass appears to be an interference fit, if so, how do you ensure that it bottoms out or at least gets extremely close, as if it doesn't bottom out correctly you'll raise the CoG up inadvertently. 3) As others have said, I would watch the hell out of a multi-part, multi-hour detailing of the math and design you've put into the iterations. It's truly remarkable.
Thank you for these notes! My CAD skills definitely need work haha - I'm more used to solid works but working on a mac at the moment. I found your document - thank you! Regarding 2), I believe that may be an error as the tapered tip holder uses a friction fit. And for 3) I am working on something along these lines but it may take a while as I am back at uni now.
All good points, regarding the wideness, I believe 70mm is optimal for multi twirl tops like these as any more and air drag would be too much and any less and tip drag would be too much. I am looking into base and tip materials!
This is so cool! I'd love this as a *high performance* desk toy! Yo could spin it and be like "cool, i will focus until this stops spinning and then take a break"
So this is the only video I’ve seen of this series so I have not learned all that you have in this process and I do not know what rules you have for yourself or what the hp-top community has, but the first things that come to mind without changing the top/base itself is just changes to the overall system: eliminating drag altogether via vacuum, and; changing the temperature of the system (i hypothesize decreasing the Temperature of the top and the base would work best). As for the top itself, (again I’ve not experimented and learned for 7 years like you have), there’s a new material in the making - carbon nitride - and I think it boasts some decent potential as a tip/base material, should be between cubic boron nitride and diamond in hardness, some say it surpasses diamond in some areas, I think compressive strength. idk it’s lattice structure tho I think there’s a handful they’re trying. It’ll probably be an expensive material to experiment with but maybe in junction with a diamond tip/base or a a cubic BN tip/base it’ll fair well. I also don’t know your lubrication methods/results but a low viscosity lubricant may fair well, but it’ll have some form of drag on the system, but by making a thinner tip for the spinner you may be able to reduce frictional drag from the lubricant, but that’s probably diminishing returns. I can imagine there’s some effect that can be taken advantage of my mind kinda goes to magnetism or superconductors but I feel like those would be somewhat cheating/violating the “rules.” Maybe somewhere in the universe there’s a non-Newtonian lubricant with the ideal properties for a lubricant. The only other suggestions I could make design wise would be along the lines of reducing surface area near the center of the spinning area (the big flat disc shaped area) to be 2+ aerodynamic rods connecting the tip and handle to the outer ring. There’s a handful of other experimentals id do but I’m about to pass out and I’m partially regretting going to college for business seeing as I love this stuff so much.
Just fascinating! I have had a desire to make a long spin top for so long, yet I didn’t know of your channel. perhaps when my workshop is finished I can make something that will spin for 10min! It’s funny about your pinned comment. My first thought was golf ball dimples then micro dimples (but seeing your comment these woukd be useless!) and then finally uranium! I’ve actually wanted some for so long. I have searched how to buy uranium so many times I’m probably on a watchlist, apparently older aircraft counterweights used to be uranium.
What a cool idea to try to optimize a spinning top. A one hour spin is insane! Would it help reduce drag if it didn't want to fall over? Putting the rotating point above the center of gravity so it'll balance even when standing still? Or would it not count as a top anymore then?
Great machinig ! I love to see how you used a conventional late and not a CNC. i have some thoughts... 1. Ballpoint Pen-style Tip and a shallow concave graphite disc or brass and steel is self-lubricant...but brass is quite soft, i wonder what would happen if you shoot or press a hardened polished steel ball on a brass block, and then cut out the "cup" , i guess with the right force, it hardens the brass, so less friction, less abrasion, and still lubricant...idk 2. "shark-skin" surface, less drag 3. "close" the bottom to a certain diameter with a thin disc, skirt, to prevent to much airflow (vortex) underneath 4. make sure there is no induction created from the combined materials just some ideas and thoghts...idk if practical and useful for this physical artwork. keep it going, spin your head round (baby) round round.... greetings from Switzerland
Just found out about this channel, it's a super cool engineering effort! One thing I'd like to add: I don't like fragile + specific machines, particularly it needing a specific base and hand cranked multiple times. If you can optimize a version for the average desk surface + one finger-length of spin, would be awesome! and also fruitful for you if you decide to commercialize it. Also, personal preference: Using a hard rock as a material would be such a statement of "This is just a rock, but we engineered the hell out of it!"
Would it make a noticable difference if you completely polished the handle aswell and then used some other material with a high drag coefficient to spin it? My idea for that would be some sort of small rubber mat used for the drag and then the string around that. I would guess that avoiding knurling would not only reduce air drag but also get it centered more and make it less tumbly.
Hello! In terms of performance, I think the gains would be hard to notice. However from a manufacturing standpoint, I quite like this idea and would like to try it!
The thing that got me the most was how gently the top slowed down to its final rotation. It kept seeming like it was going to stop at any moment, but somehow its *Performance* continued. Also, forgive the tangent, but this was the first time I've seen 999 thumbs up on a video, allowing me to be the 1,000th. Maybe not a *High* point in my digital existence, but kinda cool.
Cool hobby you have here. The back drop was instantly recognizable but I had to check street view to confirm. It’s been many years since I’ve seen it 😁
Hey thanks for the interest :) I am currently trademarking my brand etc and working towards producing a small number of tops similar to Mk.22! I don't have an ETA right now, especially because I have a lot of uni work to do XD However my goal is to have something(s) to auction off over summer. In the future, I aspire to manufacture smaller, simpler, perhaps single-twirl versions which may be easier to manufacture and sell at scale :) I'll post any updates on this channel and my instagram: hiper_spinning_tops
Would a graphite spinning surface reduce friction? Powdered graphite is a good dry lubricant. Could help reduce friction if the tip didn’t machine it away too quickly
True, regarding graphite's lubricating abilities, however as you suspected it is far too soft given the weight of my tops - the pressure at the tip is almost 400MPa! A hole would instantly be drilled and enlarged until a large area of contact removed any gains from lubrication.
I have commented about quite a few similar suggestions so I think I'll leave this post here in case your great mind is thinking alike!
1) Golf Ball Dimples / Shark-Skin or otherwise textured coatings for reduction of air drag:
Golf balls work by increasing viscous drag but decreasing pressure drag by more (put very simply here, many good vids out there). Since my tops don't experience pressure drag, adding texture would only increase viscous drag. So far, I've found that a perfectly polished surface is best, however it is certainly an area for innovation so do leave other ideas!
2) Ruby/Sapphire jewel tips/bases:
Tungsten carbide, like I use, is harder! And easier to get in a spiked form which benefits more from lubrication.
3) Polycrystaline Diamond/Cubic Boron Nitride tips/bases:
These are harder, but very abrasive. If only used for the tip, it would cause drilling. If only used for the base, it would rapidly blunten the tip. If used for both ... I'll admit I haven't tried yet but I suspect both would occur.
4) Uranium/Osmium/Platinum etc flywheel:
(Apart from uranium) I would LOVE this, however I am not a millionaire so this is completely out of my price range. Pure tungsten would be the densest viable option (almost 20g/cm^3) however I have struggled to machine it in the past. Hence, Mk.22 used a 90-10 alloy (16.75 g/cm^3) which is softer.
@EuroWarsOrg I actually put something similar on for the full spin video! I just took it off the top in this video to make it more pretty but I am looking into aerodynamic ways of making the spin more visible :)
that cog being half a cunt hair above the contact point.. well played sir.
What about hydrodynamic bearings? Or does a top have to spin on a point?
@@jjb0nks It should spin on some kind of point, either conical, spherical etc. A bearing like that would stop the top from being able to topple, hence it is no longer a spinning top.
@@hiper_tops Does the base have to be static? The base could be another spinning element (with a means to retract when it loses momentum, a centrifugal clutch mechanism or something). That way tip friction could be reduced. The base element could have a shell around the top's doughnut (to shield it from drag). The thinking is to have something like multistage rocket, but with like mechanical parts acting as boundary layer separators to reduce the delta V to the surroundings.
Just found this High-performance project. The stability at slow speeds is insane. Well done!
Thank you very much!
This might be a dumb idea that you've already tried but old mechanical watches used ruby jewels to minimise friction and wear, that might help drop the tip friction lower if you want to progress further? IDK, you're the engineer! Such a cool series, thankyou!
Diamond has an even lower coefficient of friction!
Has already been tried, the previous iteration used a changable ball bearing as the tip, and one material mentioned was ruby
Modern mechanical watches use ruby berrings as well.
@@DisorderedArraycan confirm polycrystalline diamond is the way to go
@@phiro4305 The contact point is definitely an area for innovation. I (and others) have found that hardness certainly isn't the only factor - cubic boron nitride and polycrystalline diamond for example are highly abrasive. A carbide spiked tip spinning on either can become blunt over the course of a single spin, causing imbalance, more friction and worse performance. If we swapped the base and tip materials, now the spinning top would drill into the base, get stuck in the hole causing vibrations and losses. Also, yes, coeficient of friction when dry (for ball tips) or oiled (for spike/micro-ball tips) is important!
The typical solution is to use materials of similar, high hardness for the tip and base. HSS on WCarbide is good for longevity but for a single spin, WCarbide on WCarbide is the best. Interestingly, perhaps due to Mk.22's incredible spin time, I have found that over a single spin WCarbide on WCarbide can cause drilling and vibrations - you will see this in the full spin video. In my testing it has seemed quite consistent that after about 45-50 minutes, some vibrations occur (not due to imbalance but getting stuck in a hole as described above).
If you have any suggestions, do give them (regardless of if you are an engineer or not! I am still a student) :) @xzorby for example suggested a DLC coating on the tip which I am now looking into!
And here I am impressed by Euler's disc spinning for a couple of minutes. This is on another level. You could say it's... high-performance.
I don’t have any suggestions for the top itself but I’d love to see a video delving more into the maths and theory behind your designs. It seems like you did a lot of it to get your formulas for an optimal setup and is honestly the most impressive thing to me from this whole video
Hi I was initially going to have quite a bit more info like this in this video, however when editing, I realised the video would probably suffer (people would click off!). This is because I'm not familiar with editing maths and physics into something enjoyable to watch - however I will try and take inspiration from other youtubers and add more info next time, perhaps a separate video as there is so much.
@@hiper_topsI get what you mean. This is the first video of yours I watched but I’ve since gone back to look at your earlier vids and liked them too because of your style. A separate theory video would be good to have especially for someone like me because as soon as I saw this I wanted to know the thinking behind it and how I could maybe attempt the challenge as well (maybe you don’t want to share your record setting secrets though that’d be understandable).
@@hiper_tops a separate video would be great! and you can take inspiration from kurzgesagt, AlphaPhoenix, minute physics, etc!
@@H4PPYx337 Thanks for watching them! I would gladly share the thinking that goes into my tops, but perhaps not the specific formula(s) I have used .. yet! The most challenging part is modelling the air drag as a heads up :)
@@hiper_tops Please do this. As an engineering student I eat that shit up. AND would love to have a far more in depth look through!
High performance, seeing this channel for the first time, no bs just straight graphs, beautiful machining and spinning shots and lovely music. Instant sub
Thank you! I always aim for quality uploads :)
to me, theres nothing more satisfying than taking what is a simple directive to its utmost limit. bravo
High-Performance! I appreciate the time you've invested in this project to fit your design objectives and constraints!
I don’t know whether I am more impressed with the math and science of this, or the art. This is some high-performance work right here. Seriously, love this to bits.
High performance is an understatement! Well done
Thank you very much :)
why are there so many comments saying "High Performance! xxxx"? it looks really suspect, like hes paying for views or offering "prizes" to people for commenting, i.e. buying views.
@@FingerinUrDaughter Have a look at 4:57😄
@@hiper_tops ahh that clears it up. thanks for making that clear, i was a bit sketched off from the comments. i have removed my dislike though, seeing as there is no shady shit going on.
Perfect example that anything can be developed even further. Anything, even something as simple as a tabletop. It just need a bright mind! Great work
Something about the high-performance from a hand-spun top is... magical. Your choice of music makes it just as glorious as it ought to be.
That’s pretty sweet! Would it mess with the timing at all to use a sharpie or something to add a small marker to make it easier to see spinning?
he did that in the vid... 3:38
at that rpm the mark is just a blur
Take our money! Commercialize that bad boy ASAP!
Okay! haha :) The thing is this product would be quite expensive (very small supply, a lot of skilled manual labour and rare materials) and I want to deliver something amazing! There's a lot of work to do ... but of course I will keep everyone updated😄
You can always offer the poor man's 10 min top :) But, I want one spinning in my office for 30minutes at a time so I can pomodoro between spins @@hiper_tops
@@hiper_topsEven with a high price tag I would love to have one of these. But no pressure, hobbies don’t need to be commercialized.
@@hiper_tops If you're hesitant to produce them, maybe release the blueprints so machinists can make them on their own.. ??
Amazing! I imagine getting a top to spin this long teaches you things that are SUPER transferrable to modern engineering. Like, every problem you had to solve probably also exists in electric motors, car engines, etc
I like to think so! It's definitely opened doors for me haha
A spectacular feat of precision engineering for a self taught teenager. It looks simply beautiful. You have navigated the complexities of physics and mathematics very well. Congratulations HiPer Tops.
This means a lot! Thank you :)
High-Performance! Love this - I'd definitely buy one of these, so I'm looking forward to when they are ready for sale.
Edit: scratch the below, I'm not the first person to ask this!
Also, I have question: I'm curious, would a dimpled pattern, akin to a golf ball, make for a more efficient grip? In the case of the golf ball, this helps to keep the flow of air more tightly bound to the ball, so there's a smaller pocket of low pressure behind it, but in the case of a rotating object, I don't know if the dimples would be of any use, or if it would make drag worse due to the turbulence. I suppose you may have already considered this, given the number of iterations. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.
Thank you very much! It's good thinking but as you would have read me explain, not the best approach in this case :)
High performance! What a beautiful combination of engineering, science, manufacturing and determination. You should be very proud.
Thank you :)
High-Performance! That was absolutely fantastic. Congratulations on your success, that was beautiful to watch
Thank you very much! :)
High performance! Thank you RUclips algorithm for chucking this one at me. And thank you for your dedication to a somewhat niche subject.
Beautiful high-performance object mate, crazy how it doesn't stop even after touching the ground
There sure is a lot of angular momentum in that flywheel - thank you very much
What an amazing video. What tops it for me is seeing you build it in your shop. I can only imagine the stress of making the pieces with such nice materials. Truly high performance!
Thank you! Yes some of it was made on a lathe at my university as it cuts harder materials like tungsten better. However most was done on my mini-lathe in my bedroom!
Congratulations James! What a fantastic achievement, well done.
Thank you!😄
What a beautiful piece of art you have created and such high-performance to boot!! I and my autistic grandson would love to have something like this in our collection.
Thank you for sharing your passion with us all!! 😎💜
Thank you for the kind words! I’m glad you two enjoyed the video :)
Never thought that an hour was even a possibility, I always considered a minute as impressive.
I’m impressed by the high performance level of dedication you’ve put into designing these wonderful tops!
This is amazing! To me this is the ultimate in the "unlimited" class of tops, essentially doing anything you want with the geometry. However, I feel a little bit of the essence of the classic top is lost by allowing a recessed tip and elevated stand--as that essentially removes the part that makes most tops fall over: the precession from CG being above the tip, and the effect of the sides of the top contacting the ground if your spin technique isn't perfect. Therefore as a follow on I think it would be cool to see your optimization of the design under a "legacy" class where it has to run on a flat surface (no recessed tip, or cupped holder). I wonder how the design would change.. because you still would want to get the CG as low as possible, but if too low, the sides would contact the ground too easily. So it's a different optimization. Anyway, as an engineer this is where my mind goes. Good work.
This is a good idea, I would love to develop a top optimised for single spin, spinning on a flat surface etc. I should be able to use a lot of the formulas etc I've found so far, but it would be an interesting new set of design challenges!
This channel is true dedication to a hobby. Kudos on your amazing spinning tops. Looking forward to mk 23.
Magnificent !! Beautiful art, beautiful effort. Well done.
I have never had the thought to create a world class spinning top. But, I sure appreciate the dedication and precision you have shown toward your craft. Congratulations on your achievement!
Congratulations
Thank you very much :)
Hyper-Satisfying - Major kudos .. I'm not a big top person, but fully appreciate the obsession with this.
High performance, would golf ball dimples help with drag?
It's a cool idea but unfortunately not! Golf ball dimples help by increasing viscous (skin friction) drag but decreasing pressure drag (by more!). Since spinning tops don't experience pressure drag and only viscous drag, dimples would be counter productive. You may find this video interesting:
ruclips.net/video/g_LTJTaOxCs/видео.html&ab_channel=BilletSPIN
Note the best top has internal dimples, however the change in airflow in this region is unlikely to be the helping factor; but rather light-weighting to reduce tip friction.
Congratulations on such an accomplishment!
High-performance!
Thats some amazing work you've done
I like your choice of music. Apart from the milestone you have achieved! Great job!
Thanks haha :)
High performance! For aerodynamics it would be really cool to see smoke stream testing on this. I think the geometry of the base may actually be pretty significant. For the top itself, maybe a blade around the center of the top better direct the top and bottom air flows as they come together? On the friction side of things it may be worth going back to a dual material or hollow design. It would complicate your analysis there, but it may be worth it to bring mass down without affecting inertia too much
ruclips.net/video/oKxrP7-QXpk/видео.html at 11m 51s
High-Performance! Thank you for introducing me to the world of long duration tops, can't wait to see the full spin vid.
Thanks for watching!😄
I really want to see this spin in a vacuum chamber, but i don’t know how you’d get it started
since it spins for an hour in air, could probably get it going then pull a vacuum. Would be interesting
@@tebla2074 Good point. I'm curious how much it would affect the time. It would quantify roughly how much drag there is compared to friction. Could give insight onto further improvements.
@@rebeccarivers4797 You are right, this data would be very useful. And @tebla2074 is right about how it can be achieved. I just need to get access to a suitable vacuum chamber, however I suspect making one myself may be easier as what I'm looking for is quite an unusual shape. I'll see what I can do!
Epoxy resin vacuum chamber perfect shape and size
@rebeccarivers4797 also, have you ever spun this up with a motor? Would be interesting to see how long it can go with higher starting rpm
This is seriously marvelous ! High performance indeed.
My wet dream is a world where everything is engineered with this amount of love.
Keep it up !
High-Performance! Congrats on hitting 1 hour, if you haven't already, you should see if you can get an official world record with Guinness. I'm not sure how that works personally, but if it interests you, then I'm sure you can figure it out. Good luck with that, and/or with your future tops.
Would have to have a standardised starting rpm
@@prich0382 Why? isn't starting RPM something people could compete on? As long as it's spun up by hand.
@@prdoyle Yes a Hand done no machine run top should have own category as the 27 hour top has one of the magnet flywheel engines inside so machine can go for a very long time. Also, a big spinning item that uses earth rotation and is still spinning was once considered a top before Guinness World Records changed it into a time category.
For anyone wondering, background music is Liebestraum No 3 by Franz Liszt
thank you
High Performance! Nice job! Form follows function. When a machine does so efficiently it is beautiful! :)
I now need to see a high performance video on the world record history of tops.
That is one HIGH PERFORMANCE bit of engineering! Top work 😊😊
The High-est-Performance video I've seen all day. Well done!
I just want to stare at it for hours, I am now subscribed.
What an incredible High-performance spinning top!
Damn... this is such a good channel, the subject is interesting the vibes are perfect and the high performance passion make it so good... Continue like that :D
High performance!
Honestly, very detailed and precise work. Im sure the satisfaction of breaking that barrier was unmatched.
Especially pove the music you chose... Always gives me a feeling of nostalgia.
High-performance spinning tops is not what I expected to be binging😂 thanks for the content!
Very zen video. I never thought I'd be so interested in a custom high-performance spinning top.
This looks like one of the most futuristic designs I have seen in a long time! Out of this world!
But I have no idea why!?
James, I think I saw an old video of your some years ago but happened across this one today. Unbelieveable! Truly a High-performance spinning top.
A few points / questions:
1) Please fix your CAD! I saw you had made it in a public Onshape document so I had a look, and you're making life so difficult for youself.
a. Model the whole top in a single part studio! There's no need to create a seperate document for every part. Think of documents as binders which hold everything related to something. They can have parts, assemblies, drawings, etc inside. It will make your life so much easier modifying the design and keeping interfaces working between parts.
b. Some of your parts aren't fully defined (blue vs black sketch segments) which may cause you headaches down the line if you accidentally adjust something and attempt to make it again.
c. Your assembly is floating in space, and has no relation to the origin. Move the point of the tip to the origin, and then aling everything about the Z axis. Then when you measure CoG of the assembly its coordinates will be in relation to the point of the tip.
d. I couldn't help myself and re-modelled the Mk.23 shown in the video. If you go to Onshape > Public Documents and search for "James Goh - MK.23 Clean" You should find it.
2) I noticed in your CAD that the brass appears to be an interference fit, if so, how do you ensure that it bottoms out or at least gets extremely close, as if it doesn't bottom out correctly you'll raise the CoG up inadvertently.
3) As others have said, I would watch the hell out of a multi-part, multi-hour detailing of the math and design you've put into the iterations. It's truly remarkable.
Thank you for these notes! My CAD skills definitely need work haha - I'm more used to solid works but working on a mac at the moment. I found your document - thank you! Regarding 2), I believe that may be an error as the tapered tip holder uses a friction fit. And for 3) I am working on something along these lines but it may take a while as I am back at uni now.
Very nice work!
The algorithm brought me back over a year later!
This is a great research and development done! Gret job! Waiting to see you have world record officially!
What a high performance.., can't believe i've watched this high performance video entirely
congrats making such high performance and beautiful top!
High quality video mate. Watched it till the end and was quite a pleasant experience. Congratulations on that piece of engineering, it’s amazing.
Thank you! Have been working on the editing :)
I'm going with "HIGH-PERFORMANCE!" Very nice work!! Congratulations!
That’s a high-performance design. Amazing work. Congratulations.
Ultra High-performance!! Congratulation!! This is an unbelievable achievement!!! Wow!! I just with I could have one. Wow.
Very cool high-performance top. I never knew people did things like this
Fantastic effort. Well done. The amount of thought and insight that's gone into this is evident. Well-shot video too.
I appreciate it! Thank you
What if you make it wider and more centered, it looks too wobbly and the materials need changing on the base and tip
All good points, regarding the wideness, I believe 70mm is optimal for multi twirl tops like these as any more and air drag would be too much and any less and tip drag would be too much. I am looking into base and tip materials!
This is so cool! I'd love this as a *high performance* desk toy! Yo could spin it and be like "cool, i will focus until this stops spinning and then take a break"
High-Performance, real good video just before bed time...
High-Performance! Nice video!
High performance and high art that thing is gorgeous!
High-Performance! and a beatiful piece of art. Blessings!
I would love to buy that spinning top! The high performance craftsmanship and spin time is amazing
Thank you! If you would like to join the mailing list to be updated when one is ready to sell, fill out the google form in the description :)
So this is the only video I’ve seen of this series so I have not learned all that you have in this process and I do not know what rules you have for yourself or what the hp-top community has, but the first things that come to mind without changing the top/base itself is just changes to the overall system:
eliminating drag altogether via vacuum, and;
changing the temperature of the system (i hypothesize decreasing the Temperature of the top and the base would work best).
As for the top itself, (again I’ve not experimented and learned for 7 years like you have), there’s a new material in the making - carbon nitride - and I think it boasts some decent potential as a tip/base material, should be between cubic boron nitride and diamond in hardness, some say it surpasses diamond in some areas, I think compressive strength. idk it’s lattice structure tho I think there’s a handful they’re trying. It’ll probably be an expensive material to experiment with but maybe in junction with a diamond tip/base or a a cubic BN tip/base it’ll fair well.
I also don’t know your lubrication methods/results but a low viscosity lubricant may fair well, but it’ll have some form of drag on the system, but by making a thinner tip for the spinner you may be able to reduce frictional drag from the lubricant, but that’s probably diminishing returns.
I can imagine there’s some effect that can be taken advantage of my mind kinda goes to magnetism or superconductors but I feel like those would be somewhat cheating/violating the “rules.” Maybe somewhere in the universe there’s a non-Newtonian lubricant with the ideal properties for a lubricant.
The only other suggestions I could make design wise would be along the lines of reducing surface area near the center of the spinning area (the big flat disc shaped area) to be 2+ aerodynamic rods connecting the tip and handle to the outer ring.
There’s a handful of other experimentals id do but I’m about to pass out and I’m partially regretting going to college for business seeing as I love this stuff so much.
High performance indeed, very good. Have you considered a dimpled finish rather than mirror polish for reducing aerodynamic drag, like a golf ball?
High performance is an understatement ! Amazing . Well done.
That thing is so beautiful. I am in awe. I wonder what something like this would cost.
High performance!
High-Performance! That is so cool. I should buy a top, sounds like a fun desk toy.
High-Performance! I've been waiting for Mk. 22!
Thank you! And thanks for hanging around😆
Super amazing good work on all the machining by hand
Thank you! Cheers!
Just fascinating! I have had a desire to make a long spin top for so long, yet I didn’t know of your channel. perhaps when my workshop is finished I can make something that will spin for 10min! It’s funny about your pinned comment. My first thought was golf ball dimples then micro dimples (but seeing your comment these woukd be useless!) and then finally uranium! I’ve actually wanted some for so long. I have searched how to buy uranium so many times I’m probably on a watchlist, apparently older aircraft counterweights used to be uranium.
I’d recommend tungsten over uranium hahaha, congrats on 10min! That’s not easy
I don't know how the fuck I got here, I passed out watching a nature documentary, but holy shit am I invested now.
Great lathe and machining work! You have done a really great job. Now, spin it in a vacuum!
What a cool idea to try to optimize a spinning top. A one hour spin is insane! Would it help reduce drag if it didn't want to fall over? Putting the rotating point above the center of gravity so it'll balance even when standing still? Or would it not count as a top anymore then?
It wouldn't strictly count as a top, and also since my tops fall at such a low speed, there wouldn't be that much gained time anyway!
High-performance! and that is some beautiful engineering
This scratched an itch I didn’t know I had. Thanks man
High Performance! As a junior in Mech E, it's nice to see a fun application of the math I'm learning!
Great machinig ! I love to see how you used a conventional late and not a CNC.
i have some thoughts...
1. Ballpoint Pen-style Tip and a shallow concave graphite disc
or brass and steel is self-lubricant...but brass is quite soft, i wonder what would happen if you shoot or press a hardened polished steel ball on a brass block, and then cut out the "cup" , i guess with the right force, it hardens the brass, so less friction, less abrasion, and still lubricant...idk
2. "shark-skin" surface, less drag
3. "close" the bottom to a certain diameter with a thin disc, skirt, to prevent to much airflow (vortex) underneath
4. make sure there is no induction created from the combined materials
just some ideas and thoghts...idk if practical and useful for this physical artwork.
keep it going, spin your head round (baby) round round....
greetings from Switzerland
Just found out about this channel, it's a super cool engineering effort!
One thing I'd like to add: I don't like fragile + specific machines, particularly it needing a specific base and hand cranked multiple times.
If you can optimize a version for the average desk surface + one finger-length of spin, would be awesome! and also fruitful for you if you decide to commercialize it.
Also, personal preference: Using a hard rock as a material would be such a statement of "This is just a rock, but we engineered the hell out of it!"
The specific base is massively important in both endurance and reliability of the top
Would it make a noticable difference if you completely polished the handle aswell and then used some other material with a high drag coefficient to spin it? My idea for that would be some sort of small rubber mat used for the drag and then the string around that. I would guess that avoiding knurling would not only reduce air drag but also get it centered more and make it less tumbly.
Hello! In terms of performance, I think the gains would be hard to notice. However from a manufacturing standpoint, I quite like this idea and would like to try it!
The thing that got me the most was how gently the top slowed down to its final rotation. It kept seeming like it was going to stop at any moment, but somehow its *Performance* continued.
Also, forgive the tangent, but this was the first time I've seen 999 thumbs up on a video, allowing me to be the 1,000th. Maybe not a *High* point in my digital existence, but kinda cool.
Cool hobby you have here. The back drop was instantly recognizable but I had to check street view to confirm. It’s been many years since I’ve seen it 😁
Any chance for a small commercial batch for new admirers of the craft to keep deskside and help fund the cause??
Hey thanks for the interest :) I am currently trademarking my brand etc and working towards producing a small number of tops similar to Mk.22! I don't have an ETA right now, especially because I have a lot of uni work to do XD However my goal is to have something(s) to auction off over summer. In the future, I aspire to manufacture smaller, simpler, perhaps single-twirl versions which may be easier to manufacture and sell at scale :) I'll post any updates on this channel and my instagram: hiper_spinning_tops
Love the backdrops, love the music. Great video all around. A hp production.
Glad I got to see this achievement so early! High-Performance!
Another true fan haha, I'm glad too! Sky's the limit😎
That is one amazing High-Performance top!
Would a graphite spinning surface reduce friction? Powdered graphite is a good dry lubricant. Could help reduce friction if the tip didn’t machine it away too quickly
True, regarding graphite's lubricating abilities, however as you suspected it is far too soft given the weight of my tops - the pressure at the tip is almost 400MPa! A hole would instantly be drilled and enlarged until a large area of contact removed any gains from lubrication.
I love that this is something someone has dived into.
i didnt know that high performance spinning tops were a thing, but i love them
The High-Performance and the dedication is inspiring!
hi-performance! Big ups unto you