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why you dont like Rus, Drongo?
I started playing AOE4 specifically because of youtube videos and casting... I was watching games BEFORE I started playing. It's insane devs doesn't invest into this more.
You mean Microsoft not devs. The devs are passionate and work tirelessly to make this game better. But devs aren’t the ones funding the game
@@234takashi you're right! I meant the publishers
Drongo, fan from Korea here. As a developer myself, I must tell you that making a solid replay system is REALLY, REALLY challenging. I also believe that AoE4 dev is very short-staffed. Based on the patch notes, I can only believe that there aren't that many people working on the game. They are probably in a state where they can tweak, or mix already-existing content to create a new one. Also it is not always up to the devs what to develop. Usually, the design team bring in those items to the devs and they compromise. I'm sure the devs want to update many of the things that you have mentioned, but even the smallest UX/UI change require a lot of people working in together in a big software like this.
I cannot say that the current balance, mechanics, QoL features are great. But they are fine to the point where most of them are enjoyable. I also must say that the match making is not only the dev's fault. THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH PLAYERS PERIOD. Why are you being matched with Divine despite being conqueror 1? Because there are not other conqueror 1's to play against you. Remember that player count in AoE4 world is the entire world. Depending on where you live, there may be or may not be an opponent to play against. I once played a single person five times in a row. I even ranked up to conqueror and I still got matched with the same Diamond3->2 opponent.
The best we can do is, I don't know; Wait... there is just no other way we can help the devs nor the game. RTS is a niche genre and no one is willing to dedicate their free time to play a super stressful genre where all the pressure of losing is pointed towards you and you only. Maybe if Storm Gate is successful, it will bring in a new batch of enthusiasts and perhaps increase AoE4's player base also.
In any case, I really enjoy your videos. As a English player, I share you affinity towards the English and (at times) the bit favored casting :) Cheers.
well said, and fully agree. There are probably ways we can help by marketing the game ourselves(ie speaking about it on public forums), since that is the greatest shortfall, aside from being masochistic enough to create content in that sub par editor
So true, especially when you lose in rts its only you. For this reason moba are so popular and at the same time so toxic because people want to blame others for Lost game not themselves
ye, dodging wouldn't be a problem if there was quick enough match times i.e. way more players....i think most of the problems will resolve with way WAY WAY more players as you mentioned
The thing is, it's not about starting from scratch to build a replay system. It's more about grabbing the existing values from the replay and showing them on the screen. The problem isn't just technical, especially when it happens in a company that hires the best programmers in the world. The real issue lies in poor management and lack of collaboration between teams at Microsoft. It's not like they're trying and failing; most of the time, they don't even bother trying anything at all.
@ow7586 Relic isn't even owned by Microsoft. AoE is Microsoft's but it's only an Microsoft-owned IP that historically has been contracted to a bunch of different teams. 2DE was handled by Forgotten Empires/Keywords Studio/World's Edge and Relic (none of which are owned by Microsoft) and AoE4 was just Relic I think.
I’m glad I’m a casual gamer, I can throw this game on for an hour or two and have an absolute blast with my discord mates and not notice any of these problems. I’m over here thinking what a great game this is 😂
People need to appreciate what a wonderful game this is. Perfect? No. An absolute BANGER of a RTS? Damn sure.
I just run skirmishes with my older bro and solo stepping up the difficulty and have a blast as well. This game has the most play time on my steam account lol I love it. I want more civs tho!
drongo back on casting
i know it's hard and sometimes scary with kids and i really hope you all get better soon
but man if i have missed you ❤
The devs need to understand is that a lot of people only continue to play aoe4 is because or the casting community. I would be long gone if it weren’t for you and Turin.
Yea I actually wait until drongo posts for me to hit play on steam. You should get hired for your ideas.
Turin's a dope commentator, the best when it comes to Total War Warhammer
Devs are smart......managers above are bottleneck
so what your saying is if the casting community stops, they dont have to pay as much for server space? you already bought the game, it makes them money if you also stop playing.
The AoM portion, behind the scenes was actually huge. It was only like 10-20 seconds of the livestream but that gave a lot of information out. Hope your kids get better quickly!
Hey I know the feeling on point 2, I have a 3 month old and we've been to the ER twice with him. Chin up drongo we'll make it through.
Just once for us
When ever you take time off, I just imagine you spinning a bowl and I'm happy. All the best!
Drongo, I appreciate your content. Keeps me going. Thank you
That’s awesome you and Grubby have met! I’ve followed the both of you for a while! You guys should do a video playing together ❤
Yes, rewind, we want rewind
Glad your son is on the mend Drongo.
Sad about the probability of no AoE4 in Red Bull Wololo, but good to know. Also hope your boys get better Drongo.
just tuning in drongo and the energy wow, dark energy but let's see where he takes this ;D
less bang more boom, ok!
yo i kinda feel like im at a art class lecture about storytelling, ty
Baited me with the thumb nail😂😂 thought I was gonna see your face the whole video
i think you already tellin great stories drongo!
stroopwafels is the name of the biscuit
Sheisenwafeln
If they are from Germany, my guess is "Honigwaffeln"
i saw this live, we all in chat said that we must wanted this game casted from the drongo :D
I'm not expecting another expansion this November as too close to when I imagine AoM retold to release, think best we can hope for is for early next year and then maybe from that point forward we will get new expansions at a faster pace. As you said it takes time for things to work up the chain. One thing I am certain of is it is a question of when and not if we will get a new expansion though which I am happy about.
Interested to see where you can take caster mode and I wish you all the luck with it!
i dont care about another expansion super soon, but what i DO care about is another balance patch asap....a good one.
Best health wishes to your family Drongo. . 🙌
Oh man I feel you about the neverending sickness and daycare
Just give that guy a ROADMAP already !
I have a feeling that the bulk o AoE 4 devs are at the Retold team teaching them the stuff because the Age of Mythology Retold is a new one and not a part of the current existing ones.
Retold is on AoE3's engine.
Relic's unfamiliar with the Engine Retold uses. It's Forgotten Empires and Tantalus working on Retold.
we love you, drongo. Sad or happy. High five =P
Is there going to be another outback octagon this year?
Interesting. Hope your kiddos feel better soon. Plz do another video detailing solely the caster requests
Biggest news from the live stream was FFA and team ranked on Xbox 👍🏻
I don't think a neutral caster mode is possible. The replays you watch come directly from the memory of the game from either player, you're not watching a recording or anything so the alerts and other stuff that pop up are to put it how you said it 1's and 0's that are lodged between the other 1's and 0's in the memory. Removing those could probably break the entire replay and cause a lot more problems. So it just doesn't seem a worthwhile feature to attempt.
@AussieDrongo is that UI you use for casting the games a mod?
I think no, the only modification to the official "new" caster mode in hus casts is the zoomed in minimap
19:15 That's why Divine streams without speaking.
I just want patches more often. After this last patch I just stopped playing for a bit because Otto seige was just triggering to play against.
bro same here...i actually havent played in like 3 weeks and i cant believe they still havent patched it....atleast even a little small patch to address this very blatant, unbalanced, and game breaking issue. Im exactly with u on this, i got totally discouraged about playing because of it
Drongo, can you make a Chinese build order of the strategy video which you used in this match? Really want to use it on my own. ❤
Phish Food is the best flavor Drongo!
Phish food in the freezer. Freezer with the Tweezer
I will say a prayer for you child, I hope he recovers quickly!
has there been any caster mode updates since this video?
I agree that they don’t put enough effort in improving casting experience. It’s really basic. I enjoy playing and watching the games. People also decides to buy the game after watching videos of the casted games. Would love to see features mentioned by Drongo here.
They can't give a roadmap, because they have like 5 programmers on their team.. Lol.
The Sultan's Expansion will keep me busy for at least another year or two. As long as they keep balancing the civs (nerf Otto) I'll be happy.
Ottomans in any game: Exists
Byzantine fans: ''NERF! NERF! NERF! NERF TILL DEATH!''
Agreed, i hope they also revert the siege changes in general (except ram), those where kinda poopy
Agree
Same, this expansion has added so much to the game, I will keep me busy for ages but ya have to agree that we at least need a roadmap.
ottomans right now are the most blatantly broken civ we've had since launch....crazy how they cant manage "balance" patches better than that
Long-time fan of the AoE/AoM series-- owned pretty much every single installment on CD. The unfortunate development struggles in the series has been present (in my experience) ever since Ensemble Studios disbanded in 2009 and sold the rights to AoM. Even with slow development/updates for AoE, you continue to keep the game alive with your commentating. You are one of the best commentators for the AoE series, if not the best currently. I wish good health for you and your family, and thank you for contributing such good content for the game. I hope to see you commentate gameplay when Age of Mythology: Retold drops.
With all that said, you are absolutely out of your mind to believe that "The Tonight Dough" is the best B&J's flavor. It is obviously Half-Baked.
"Ensemble Studios disbanded in 2009 and sold the rights to AoM" - erm, what?
ES was at the time owend by Microsoft, they acquired the studio in 2001, inbetween The Conquerors Expansion and AoM. The IP to Age of Empires and Age of Mythology has always been owned by Microsoft. In 2008, they closed the studio because it was costing them a ton of money, but not making enough. They worked on 8 started and cancled projects, including the infamous Halo MMO. And at the time, RTS was already heavily in decline, support a studio of that size was not feasible.
To this day, RTS is far from its former glory. Relic, being an almost RTS-only studio, dismissed half of their staff last year, after Company of Heroes 3 failed hard. And I also don't think AoE4 sold nearly as well as they hoped, which resulted in less funding from MS and in turn in slower patches, updates and DLC.
Honestly, if an update video like this has me wanting to say or address _so_ much in the comments aftwards, then that's proof of a really good video honestly. I wouldn't mind more of these in the future! Or some recorded games (live or post). You're very engaging and honest, and I think a lot of new or interested players like myself would learn a lot from it. Even current players too.
Regarding coding, as someone who has a very basic knowledge of coding, uhhh yeah it isn't that simple at all. Like in theory, the functions are, but the actual mechanism to accomplish them takes _a lot_ of time, effort, and knowledge to do. I'd for sure would craft something if I had the skills, but alas I don't (yet). Hope you and your family are all well, beware the plague spewers that is Kintergarden, and I hope you have a good rest of your day Uncle Drongo! :)
Snubbed by red bull wololo oh my lord!1
Ah, a fellow stroopwafel enjoyer!
Watching from Vermont, shout out to Ben&Jerry's! Tonight Dough is indeed a top tier flavor
If we could just have a way that if someone leaves in the first 2 minute of a ranked team game, only the personal leaving gets penalized, that would be nice.
yeah, just like league of legends did not so long ago
Just bought the game yesterday, and it is soooo good!
I've started playing AoE4 a week ago after i've seen a video about rts. This is the first rts that i really invested myself into. I've played very little of starcraft a few years ago but never got hooked. I'm really having a blast with this game and it seems complex enough (basing on videos i've seen) that high level players can spend years optimizing things. I don't know yet why everyone seems to hate this game or see it as inferior to AoE2 (idk enough about AoE2 to say if it is or not), but as a new player to AoE and rts i think the game is pretty good till now.
In saying that everyone don't like this game i include the publisher that don't seem to care about making the game better and adding more stuff.
Let me just quote myself from another comment as why I think 2 is overall the more enjoyable experience:
"And holy cow how does aoe2 keep attracting more players/viewers ?"
Because AoE 2 is overall the more complete game. You've got:
- an easy enough to understand editor for a variety of uses: testing unit matchups, creating custom game modes or entire campaigns
- symmetric civs that make switching between them easier (but they still do have noticable differences)
- live chat for multiplayer games
Furthermore:
- Dodging is better penalised as you don't see who you're up against before the game actually loads, so if you ALT+F4 on the loading screen, you will loose Elo. This also makes queue times in AoE 2 significantly shorter.
- The casting program in AoE 2 actually has everything Drongo wants, from spectating 1v1s to Team Games or even an overview for FFA
@@FloosWorld_AoE I've bought AoE2 as well and i pretend to play so that i can have the experience. The game seems good and i will probably like it. The only thing that i feel will make it weird for me is the fact that all basic units are the (visually). They're all centro-european style units even if i'm play someone like the chinese. This is a minor and it's not going to impede me from playing and enjoing the game. But after you've said all that, AoE2 seems like a more polished and complete game.
@@MagnusPendragon Yeah regional skins is something I'd love to have in AoE 2
this is a great game. That said, starcraft broodwar blows it out of the water
Drongo get down to plat - you find a game in 1-2 mins here even at 4AM
How many thousands upon thousands of dollars has drongo made the devs from drawing new people into the game... They basically owe you the caster update now
Aoe has the unique problem of being a series where multiple games are being updated and developed simultaneously so theyve gotta be wary of releases not stepping on eachothers toes. As the newer releases i think aom retold and aoe4 are going to cycle back and forth in updates depending on aoms success.
Aoe 2 is an island unto itself and aoe3 im pleasantly surprised theyve kept updating it.
Aoe4 getting 2 new civs and 4 variants early 2025 id be perfectly happy with. Absolutely a road map would go a long way to keeping the playerbase happy.
From the outside it feels like development of aoe in general is pretty lean and seems to do well enough, hopefully that protects it from the cuts and layoffs the industry is seeing.
Hop on Beyond All Reason!
Hi Drongo, totally agree with you and thank you for making the community better by creating amazing casts. I feel your pain, but maybe the developers have these tasks at the bottom of the priority list. Because how often are there tournaments, and how often do players care about these things. With the massive tech layoffs, companies are trying to maximize profit and fixing caster mode isn't going to improve the player experience. Don't get me wrong, I totally would want to see the 80 bunti, but thats just the reality of priorities. Sad but keep up the good work and thank you for being vocal about these issues so the greater community knows !!!
With no successful monetisation anywhere to be seen in the game and the DLC civs likely just barely paying for their development costs, I'm surprised if there's any more than a skeleton staff working on AOE. What they need is proper monetisation, something like company of heroes 2 where the following isn't huge but the game can pump out new content
I'll put my two cents in for the colour blind. In a 1v1 casted game I'd like to see blue/yellow as a default colour combination. It works for just about everyone. For many of us the teal/green, blue/purple, yellow/orange etc. combinations are virtually impossible to distinguish.
But yellow blends in too well with stealth forests in certain biomes, Red/ Blue is the best default option for clear differentiation. Or we can go Green / Red like the Light Side / Dark side in Star Wars.
@@ArjunaR-wt9xe Red/blue can work but green/red is not good.
Hi drongo! First of all, I love your casts they are always super entertaining and give me good insight for improving my own game. It is a shame that the devs seem to ignore caster mode because it seems like a very important way to attract new players to the game. It is important both for tournaments as well as youtubers like you, and yet they do seem to have ignored it a bit lately with no plans to change that in the future...
That being said, I do think it is important mention that the game is actually a very good spot right now (at least that is what I think). The civs are relatively balanced (ofc. always room for improvement), we got a ton of new content. I am genuinely enjoying myself a lot with this game. Hearing that the devs are now also including FFA quick matches, means that they do listen to the fans and keep on expanding and working on the game. So I do not think the game in general is on life support (just the caster mode unfortunately...).
I also feel like there are some things you mentioned that are more complicated than you make it look. The long waiting times for example. I think this is mainly the lack of high ranked players available. You could do faster matchmaking but then you will be matched with players that are a lot stronger/weaker than you are, which is also not fun. I don't think there is a easy solution here.
I'm not saying this to criticize, just to open a healthy discussion :) I wish I could help with the caster mode but I know nothing about coding...
PS: Keep up the good work and I wish you and your family the best of health! :)
Who else was afraid that Drongo was going to break up with us when you saw the title 😅?
😅
Salty Dorngo?
So you became Vegimite?
crush the mills with idle bees and mangonels. its like the best target for those things, crushes farms. Seems like pros don't prioritize this target, what am I missing.
I love the fact that literally all the features and possibilities are present in BAR and i would like to think drongo is projecting from there 😂
what's dodging?
Can somebody tell me how it is possible that many players are just to fast with building the age's.
I don't have a chance to win a game online like this. and that's not fun!
I agree with all the points you raised. The development of the caster UI especially is completely unacceptable. However, I have never seen the delay in searching for another game like that. I normally have maybe 1 or 2 seconds maximum before I can search again. Is that a common problem? First I'm hearing of it.
As an Aussie I am allied with the Kiwi civs 😅
Bring in scenario editor and it will save the game, I will genuinely play 1000s more hours and record it. I made a whole campaign in the OG aoe but it is lost to time. I am such a geek I would do something like that again, just for fun.
I have no issue with this game, i absolutely love it tbh, looks great, plays great and runs great. But we defi at least need a roadmap or something but the dlc is gonna keep me busy for a long while tbh absolutely love it
"use less onomatopoeias"
followed by the phrase
"Less Bang more boom"
lol
I'm a software developer and love the game. Would be happy to help any way I can.
THE DOUGH IS THEBEST!!!! BEN"N"JERRYS
We need to talk aliens Drongo. Joe Rogan and Katt Williams is up your alley 🛸
Whomp whomp, we just got the DLC cry some more
i came from a totally different genre and game (cs) which is way bigger, has a lot more people playing and a giant esports scene and what i can't understand are the expectations this community seems to have. AOE4 is in a fine place for what its supposed to be. RTS are just super niche and especially in terms of esports difficult to follow since so much specific knowledge is required to comprehend what is going on in any meaningful way.
Im actually amazed AOE4 is doing as well as it is and that i can find ranked games in my region at 5 in the morning. Also grateful that theres some sort of esports scene keeping the RTS genre alive since Starcraft isn't doing all to well with the diminishing of GSL either.
Garrison scholars in mosques to increae research speed
They mention aoe3 then aoe4 Xbox first in aoe4 segment
Yes king
Age 3 got profile prictures in 2023, guess age 4 is going to feel it in 2024
Town Centers Need Double health or at least 1.5 increase
I like seeing the score
Two things from the UI that I wish they'd change in caster mode is 1) why they can't show villagers and income per minute annoys me so much. The villager count should be above the resource and the income per minute should be below. 2) I hate how in caster mode they change the resources and population count depending on the side. It should just be Food, Wood, Gold, Stone, Extra resource like olive oil, then house count.
Much love from holland!
I agree with every points you made, except one. I like to re-watch games and i've encountered all of those bugs and issues too. The rewind thing should have been a MUST from the start. Not seeing Rus bounty annoys me because i'm curious how they're doing when you're casting a Rus player.
The game does feel like it's on life support despite the huge success of the expansion. Ottoman being pushed to S+++ tier after a single patch and being left there until next patch is insane to me. They make 4v4 annoying to play. I'm still waiting for the devs to rework the tower siege into a staircase up to the wall, like they said more than a year ago.
That being said, i disagree when you said that there shouldn't be any dodging possible in lobby. Conquerors waiting 10 minutes to play a game is just a consequence of both being the top 1% of players and having a small playerbase. Even League of legends, with a huge playerbase, has its top 1% of players waiting a long time for a game. It's just is like that for top players.
If you think it's annoying to wait 10 minutes to play a game as a Conqueror, think of the enemy team who's not conqueror and waited just a few minutes to get matched against conquerors. They're waiting 15 minutes for a defeat.
The matchmaking is awful as you pointed out so people should be allowed to dodge a game once in a while. Even for reasons that aren't rank related. If you're matched with a player you didn't like playing with, you should be allowed to dodge.
The thing about the score. Yes! I think it ruins a lot of videos cos i find i already know who is winning!
PIGs starcraft Saltmines is so fun to watch and i dont even play SC2.
That alone is a reason for chat
Yesterday I had a team ranked game with my team full of gold's and the other team had 2 conquerors and an unranked afk noob, we got steamrolled lol
We love you drongo!
We have some games for you awesome viewers if yall interested :)
I'm so tired of everyone hating on age for no reason. They just dropped a massive expansion with Sultan's. Anyone who was expecting some big news on aoe4 was delusional. The livestream wasn't for presenting content, it was a peace of mind stream to let the community know that even tho we just gave you a bunch of content were not done. The recap of 2023 shows this. IMO AOM Retold was the winner of the livestream simple because that game is looking great. Hopefully we get gamplay of AOM soon. Yes all the info in the livestream could of easily been presented in a blog post. The fact that they took the time, energy, and resources to make it into a livestream shows they care about the community and keeping it going.
The expansion was a half of year ago, The developers are just that developers they are in the business for 2 things to make money and keep their jobs, they don't do anything for the community, if they did they would balance things properly or make a free DLC for players etc.
@houseaccount3293 😂 are you saying civs aren't balanced? Most civs are viable. Also the expansion was released in November so less than 4 months ago idk what kind of year you be having I go all the way around the sun 🌞 😂
@@houseaccount3293 The expansion was released 3 months ago... not even half year ago..
So we can not criticize the Marketing strategy where a DLC of AoE2 without civs had almost 1 hour of streaming and between AoE3-4 had little more than 2 minutes?
We can't criticize that, after the best selling DLC in the history of the franchise, they don't make some kind of Roadmap, say they are working on a DLC for the future, say it is included in the Red Bull Wololo or anticipate some news of the season patch?
This conformism so detrimental to the game.
Nor comment on the way of presenting AoM without showing the images until the end of the AoE2 Gameplay by someone who had no knowledge of the franchise and was only known in Rust and little else.
Good things are said, but criticism is very necessary if they want to move forward.
That is not the problem, the problem is that they keep realising amazing stuff to AOE 2 and AOE 3 , and sleep in AOE 4, they prefer to focus on old games for no reason, imagine a timeline of releases every 3 months or so like, 1 new civ, 1 new mode, 1 new campaign, stuff like that for AOE 4, keeping the game alive and healthy, but no keep realising amazing campaign to a old game
I thought they announced 4 at redbull?
Did I imagine that lol
When are the egyotians nubians coming?
Why is it that every game I tend to like get shat on by the developers?
I prefer the americone dream to the tonight dough personally.
I think the competition at the highest level is way to low, i wish more sc2 pros would come over-
Coming from FF14, playing it for 10 years: I think slow and steady patches and expansions is preferable for longevity, actually. Too many crazy new features can be a downfall. Also the devs in FF14 keep saying: "play other games, come back when there is new content". I think that is a more healthy stance, instead of expecting constant content. If the game is good enough, everyone will come back anyway. Ofcourse RTS work a little different but I think it still holds up.
Why would they not host AOE4 On the RedBull Wolololo ? The last event was a success no ?Furthermore they mentionned the huge success of the latest DLC why not display the new civs in a massive tournament like wolololo ? I will be very sad if only AOE2 is present at this tournament. And holy cow how does aoe2 keep attracting more players/viewers ? It doesn't make sense to me, AOE4 is so fun to watch !
"And holy cow how does aoe2 keep attracting more players/viewers ?"
Because AoE 2 is overall the more complete game. You've got:
- an easy enough to understand editor for a variety of uses: testing unit matchups, creating custom game modes or entire campaigns
- symmetric civs that make switching between them easier (but they still do have noticable differences)
- live chat for multiplayer games
Furthermore:
- Dodging is better penalised as you don't see who you're up against before the game actually loads, so if you ALT+F4 on the loading screen, you will loose Elo. This also makes queue times in AoE 2 significantly shorter.
- The casting program in AoE 2 actually has everything Drongo wants, from spectating 1v1s to Team Games or even an overview for FFA
Drongo, the game code is not available. No developer can help you. If you get the game code open source I will fix the bugs myself 😂
How about a community financed and organized AoE4 Major lead promoted by Biggest content creators together with EGCTV? Maybe you would also get Microsoft money as well as other sponsors.
Rent an Air BnB or Gaming House in EU, US, Asia or Australia. Probably only 8 players then. Aren't Malta and Serbia known as affordable gaming hubs? I think Malta even sponsors Events in Cs Go.
We need more campaign
Us xbox player are finnaly happy for team ranked
Unpopular opinion: I DONT want a road map, I DONT want new civs. I am okay with new maps, but i dont need them.
What I want, is to play age of empires 4 some 10 games per week at a fairly high level, and doing that I want to get BETTER, not WORSE, compared to all the people who just spend way more time with that game and get used to all the freaking new things every few months, with which i just cant keep up. :(
Stroopwafels
sounds like you want to cast aoe2, or bar.
Why no Love for AoE4 at WOLOLOL?