Survivor - Penultimate Juror Rankings
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2024
- In this video, I doing another bigger Survivor US ranking around the start the year with me ranking every Penultimate Juror in the history of the show... for some reason.
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See you next year for Antepenultimate Juror Rankings
Dan Lembo at one, a bit hot but respected
I was surprised he beat out Butch for the top spot, but I'm not upset
@@rajorajo7429 Butch is THE robbed goddess of early survivor
@@iamkonner4813they really butch ered his elimination
@@Thumper7639 are you proud of yourself, be ashamed for what you have done
The mafia boss
You should do a list of the biggest jury threat(s) in every season like who would’ve won against anyone
oooh yes this would be super interesting !
oooh yes this would be super interesting !
And the biggest goat of each season to
Id probably still put Cirie at 1 because I honestly think she was way more screwed. If Aras doesn’t win immunity, Terry and Danielle most likely put their votes onto Aras instead of her, and if Danielle wins fire making then Danielle wins final immunity and probably takes Cirie to the end, where she beats her. If Terry didn’t have the god idol they most likely just vote out Terry at 4, and Danielle still wins final immunity and takes Cirie to the end. Yes while Cirie wasn’t going for her optimal scenario she was both screwed over not only by the god idol but also by Aras winning immunity where she’s forced to go to fire making. If the game played out naturally based off of what the final immunity comp was, Danielle still probably wins final immunity, takes Cirie, and Cirie wins.
Yeah but Aras wouldn't lose a fire making competition against Danielle is the problem, so it probably doesn't matter anyway. And even then, we don't know that Cirie beats Danielle, its likely very close between them, if not still leaning in Danielle's favor (Like, Bruce and Shane I'm almost sure vote Danielle over Cirie, I think Terry likely does as well, and the fact that in your scenario Danielle is the one to take out Terry, she probably gets a lot of win equity from that from the likes of Courtney and Nick)
This list has some radically wild names at the top. Kinda wild. Would be really interested in seeing a 7th place ranking considering that's usually a really big cycle in the game.
You should rank the winner's pre merge in one video, and the winner's post merge in another.
yes this is a fantastic idea ! i'd also love to see a video ranking the final premerge or prejury boots and one ranking swap boots (specifically the first swap boots, although i wouldn't be opposed to you including second swap boots either)
@@uglyaniimals For the last pre merge boot, Phoebe would be first in the Australian one
Do you know how wild it is to only just learn Penultimate means SECOND last and not last? This explains so many sports seasons that went on longer than I thought
I was kind of stunned to start the video and see Andrea last. But thinking of it I kind of have to agree with it. She was a very low jury threat who loses to most people in a vote, was clueless, was bottom of her alliance and clueless to that too, had almost no chance to ever make the end, and never tried to do anything until being voted out. I do disagree she had "no" win equity. She beats Phillip and Natalie for sure, and probably Boston Rob too. RI is a rare season the 3 biggest goats were sitting together at the end. She loses to everyone but the actual finalists though, and she was never trying to go with 2 of those 3 I believe.
Survivor 43 had a similar situation
Am I the only one who laughed at who was number 1 on the list? Especially considering he didn’t even put him in the top ten players of survivor before all stars.
So laughable
There’s a difference between ranking people as a player and ranking than compared to everyone else of their placmeney
@@gamer_ap0 We get that, still it does not matter
Another idea, rank the 6 players who lost the final Redemption Island duel of their seasons to be eliminated. Those would Grant, Mike, Matt from Redemption Island, Brandon from South Pacific, and Hayden and Laura from Blood vs Water. That is a pretty strong group.
I love seeing you have the guts to rank Andrea last, as she has a crazed fan base who drastically overrate her as a player. I am sure you will get some fury over that. That said last is a bit too harsh, I wouldn't have her there, probably more in the 40th out of 45 range, yeah but her RI game sucked, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise due to her popularity and that she became a decent player in later seasons which she wasn't on RI. There is still a good argument to put her last, simply as she was the only one voted out twice on the list.
I do agree with ranking Andrea really low but not last. And she definitely has a win scenario- she beats Natalie T and Phillip 100% for sure. She probably beats Rob, since the jury hated him and give the win to anyone but Phillip and Natalie over him. She is crushed by Grant and Matt, and loses to any Zapatera. She probably loses to Ashley, but that is close, but I disagree with no win chances when she beats Natalie, Phillip, probably Rob, and maybe (but probably not) Ashley.
Tbf pretty much everyone who made the merge beats Natalie and Phillip in a F3 scenario
@@jj9487 Natalie and Phillip not only don't win any F3 out of the merge, they don't combine for more than 1 vote in any F3 out of the merge. And most times they get 0. Like Rob would vote Phillip or Natalie in a Final 3 with Julie, who he is never voting for. Ralph did vote Phillip against Rob and Natalie, since he hates Rob even more than other jurors. But they never get more than 1, and most times would get 0.
For that matter though, not only do Natalie and Phillip win no F3 scenario out of the merge, but Boston Rob probably doesn't beat any of the 9 others who made the merge but Phillip and Natalie either. In fact the only one who I think Rob might have beaten of the 9 jurors in a jury vote is Andrea, one of many reasons I think ranking her last on this list makes sense. She both had no path to the end, unlike Grant or Ashley, almost no win chances when she only beats 2 or 3 people out of the 12 person merge in a jury vote (Natalie, Phillip, and maybe Rob), no self awareness of her position in the game, screwed up the potential biggest move in the game (the merge vote where she and Matt didn't flip), and is the only on on this list who was voted out and didn't technically really make it to Final 5/Final 4, or penultimate juror at all. That is also one reason I wouldn't rank Rob any higher than say 10th at best in a Winners ranking despite game being dominant in a lot of other ways.
1:41 She could’ve won against Natalie and Phillip
But that is literally her ONLY win scenario. She is crushed by any of Grant, Matt, even Ashley. She loses badly to any Zapatera through all the Zapatera votes + Matt (unofficial Zapatera by the end) + Grant (who hated her, even though he votes her over Natalie, Phillip, Rob, and maybe Ashley) + probably Ashley (who liked the Zapateras and didn't like Andrea). I think she honestly loses to Boston Rob, although that is 50-50.
The entire cast wins over Natalie and Phillip easily so that is no achievement really. Even Russell or Francesca would have beaten them in a Final 3.
Andrea last is fine, but not sure how you can justify saying she had no win equity when she destroys Phillip and Natalie in a Final 3, and probably beats Rob since the consensus of nearly everyone is Rob loses to everyone who made the merge but Phillip and Natalie. I can see disagreeing that she beats Rob, but you have to admit there is no way she (or anyone on that season) was losing to Phillip or Natalie, and she was outright in the Final 5 with them, even if undeservedly there through a bogus twist, so can't see justifying no win equity.
Do a video ranking the 8th place finishers as that is normally the middle merger, LOL! Usually in Final 3 seasons you have a merge of 12, and Final 2 seasons often have a merge of about 11. Plus there are some super interesting players there like Shan.
WOAHHHHHH. cool vid. Would love a bb one too.
On Eliza, one thing I wonder is if she beats Twila in a Final 2. I am pretty sure is her only win chance. Against Julie she probably loses 7-0, or 4-3 if Chris, Sarge, Chad bitter vote against her for flipping on the men, but she still has all 4 women locked over Eliza. Against Chris, she loses as Chris would get all of Scout, Twila, Chad, Sarge over her guaranteed, and the other 3 votes are up in the air too (if he doesn't betray Julie badly he gets Julie too). Against Scout she loses as Scout would get Twila, Chad, Sarge, Chris, LeAnne all most likely, with only Ami and Julie voting Eliza. Against Ami or LeAnne she is destroyed. So her only chance is against Twila, does she beat Twila?
so many iconic people in this this
Even outside the game, Cirie continues to get screwed and can't win. I also think you give Pascal way too much credit for win equity when most of it just from the fact that he's old and a father figure. He also probably gets medevacked on Day 38 anyway.
I am not sure if I put Cirie #1, but I sure as heck don't put Paschal there. I can see the idea that Paschal was a big jury threat who beats everyone but Kathy, and had a great shot to reach the end, and was totally screwed how he went out. But his actual game play was nothing amazing, he got into that position through others game play, and being seen as the nice old man who didn't betray anyone (since he wasn't the one behind any of the strategic moves, including the ones that put him in a good spot). Plus if he is in the Final 3 with Kathy and Vecepia, if Neleh is rocked out, you know he takes Kathy over Vecepia if he wins final immunity, and loses the game. And Vecepia would take Kathy. And his old ass aint never winning that final endurance challenge anyway.
Maybe Janet would've placed better if she didn't stand up for Kellee and stayed aligned with Dan, but that wouldve been wrong. like this isn't just a TV show they're real ppl. and I look down so hard on all the others who stuck with Dan as a goat becuz it was good for their game. Like I think they should be ashamed of themselves especially Missy, Elizabeth, and Aaron
yea i would've liked to see her get a boot for being screwed over in that way, although i suppose (paradoxically) dan getting pulled kind of cancels some of that out. def would be super high on the list of most likeable penultimate jury boots !
i was so shocked to see colby and andrea in the beginning but you had very solid points im just baffled i think just because theyd totally be on a legendary season
I think that is too harsh for Colby, but I would have him a bit higher than that, like mid 30s. Andrea last I probably agree with. She was the only one on this list voted out, so technically did not even deserve to be in the Final 5, unlike the other 44, as she isn't there without the RI twist. But furthermore being bottom of her alliance, and having almost no jury win equity to boot. I do think she wins a Final 3 with Natalie and Phillip, but that is it.
Ranking Cirie at 2 twice is honestly crazy, which is tragic when you think about it…
Edit: I just unpaused and saw Paschal over Cirie… This is blasphemy and unjust
I feel like this list largely undervalues the players that assuredly win if they get to the end. A likable underdog like Spencer, Keith or Lydia being under people that didn't have a chance of winning is baffling to me. My main example for this argument will be Ben from WaW. Yes, Ben technically held more power than the likes of a Lydia or a Keith, but he was never going to win the game. A super flawed strategic game is worse than a lack of a strategic game imo, especially when those that lack strategy are usually the ones who end up as the massive jury threats
I see to a point, but you also have to consider how likely said players were to reach the end.
Spencer reaching the end in Cagayan would be a miracle, he already pulled off the very unlikely making it to Final 4. I would rank him way higher than he is here mind you.
Keith is not sure to win if he makes the end on either of his seasons, other than being for sure to crush Spencer and Tasha on Cambodia.
Lydia probably wins over Steph and Rafe (for sure crushes Steph) but that is more how hated both were, than how liked or respected she was. She also had virtually no chance to reach the end. She goes home at Final 6, if Danni doesn't flip the vote onto Judd. She was booted at Final 4 over Danni who is a way bigger threat which looks awful for her. And she has no chance to win final immunity even if she is kept to 3, and Steph and Rafe both 100% for certain boot her.
An international version of this ranking would be good, especially on the Australian penultimate jurors
Werner would be #1
Andrea's RI game sucked but it is dumb to say she had no win equity when she 100% wins against Phillip and Natalie, which was a possible Final 3 without Rob's idol. I think Rob goes home at 5 without his immunity idol and Ashley is probably taken out over her at Final 4 unless she has immunity, as a bigger jury threat. She also possibly wins against Rob in a jury vote, and has a shot against Ashley. The only one of her tribe she loses to for sure are Grant and Matt, although she probably loses to Ashley too.
There’s a lot of interesting 9th placers and I’d love to see a ranking of 9th placed players
I think Peih Gee likely wins if she makes the end. Frosti, Erik, Jaime are locks for her over any of Amanda, Courtney, Todd, Denise obviously. Jean Robert and James were super bitter so they likely vote her too, she already wins, even Jean Robert alone is enough.
I love how high you put taj and then spend the whole segment DRAGGING her 😂
Another certified classic
While I agree that Big Tom and Paschal were in power positions and had decent chances of winning…they didn’t really do anything to get into those winning positions. They were both just being themselves and were lucky enough that they fell into majorities and were in a position to win. Paschal was actually the one most against flipping on Rotu and admitted that he was happy to be taken out in 5th and 6th because John or Tammy were deserving winners. Any good positions that Paschal was in was because of luck.
Rick is much too high. His win equity was not that great. Apparently he probably loses to Sophie and Coach both, and he for sure loses to Ozzy and Brandon. He obviously loses to any other Savaii, minus flipper Cochran. He beats Albert, Edna, and Cochran I am pretty sure, but that still isn't high win equity. Also given his terrible challenge ability and position in the alliance he was never making the end. I would have near the bottom.
Pascal over Cirie is WILD
I mean, if Paschal survives his round, he wins. If Cirie survives her round, she doesn't. And like.... while Panama is a good season from Cirie, we're not talking about her micronesia season here. She's not THAT much of a mastermind in Panama, other than the one great vote she pulls off. Also, Paschal, while dumb in the way he goes out, is also taken out by an absolutely ridiculous game mechanic that should not have been in place in the end. (To be honest, based on his criteria I honestly think Cirie and Tom should be swapped but whatever)
Let's make it even crazier. If Kathy goes that round instead of Paschal, Paschal likely wins the first perfect game in survivor. Paschal. Never one vote against him, and he easily sweeps the jury vs Neleh, with the only person that POSSIBLY votes against him being sean
@@brianregan5933 Paschal loses in a Final 2 to Kathy. John, Tammy, General are for sure voting Kathy, and pretty sure Sean and Vecepia are easy Kathy votes over Paschal too. Paschal would get Neleh and maybe Zoey, and that is it in a Final 2 with Kathy.
Furthermore if Kathy wins the rock draw over Neleh we are in a Kathy-Vecepia-Paschal Final 3, where both Kathy and Vecepia take each other, so he has to win final immunity just to make the end. Which is unlikely. The sneak deal Vecepia made with Neleh also never happens as Paschal almost for sure drops first from that challenge. If it is Neleh, Vecepia, and Paschal, well Neleh would take Paschal, where Paschal easily wins, probably in a 7-0 vote, but Vecepia would likely take Neleh if she wins.
@@tristndubois5898 actually Kathy I believe was going to take Pashcal, and he probably beats her. ( V might have taken Paschal too to be honest)
Paschal was an enormous jury threat that season, and really, REALLY well respected by the jury, largely because he was the old guy and made it to the end
Yesssss!
Can you do the most likely returnee for each season?
Lauren O'connell's number 1 fan here
You should rank the Heroes vs Villains cast from Most Villainous to Most Heroic, both before the season started and after it ended to see who changed.
The big problem with alicia's game is that there were two points in the pre merge where she would have been voted out id it wasn't for unusual circumstance, if the guys didn't give up immunity then she would have been voted out, all it would have taken was one guy to not agree to giving up immunity and she would've gone, and if colton didn't get meda vacted then manono more than likely looses immunity where she more than likely gets voted out (her or Christian but still probably her), so she shouldn't have even made it so far if it wasn't for not one but two unusual circumstances
1. Cirie
2. Ciera
3. Natalie
4. Ricard
5. Sue
6. Kenny
7. Lindsey
8. Spencer
9. Karla
10. Julie
11. Taj
12. Peih Gee
13. Aubry
14. Jenn
15. Paschal
16. Janet
17. Alison
18. Adam
19. Elisabeth
20. Mike
21. Lauren O
22. Tom
23. Darrah
24. Baylor
25. Lauren H
26. Erik
27. Donathan
28. Brett
29. Rupert
30. Helen
31. Jaison
32. Andrea
33. Boo
34. Sierra
35. Keith
36. Ben
37. Colby
38. Butch
39. Eliza
40. Joe
41. Rick
42. Lydia
43. Alicia
44. Abi Maria
45. Dan
Respectfully #1 is insane.
I mean Penner was flipping whether Yul had the god idol or not since the Raros were awful to him
Elisabeth should be way higher!!! She got in a control position on Kucha, never targeted, socially good w/ everyone. She really really pushed for Jerri to go to Tina. Elisabeth was the target but her social game encouraged Ogakor to take out Jerri over her. She made good connections with Ogakor w/ Tina, Colby, Amber. Elisabeth I feel was more the gamer in her duo with Rodger who was always a number for her. Elisabeth also won Keith and Tina to save her and Rodger over Amber. If Elisabeth gets to the end against anyone I think she wins the game. I think she needed to convinced Amber and Colby to vote keith out, but Colby and Tina were never breaking up. If mike hadn’t fell in the fire, I think him, Rodger and Elisabeth go to the final 3. She probably wins final immunity and beats Rodger at the final 2.
Surprised to see Lauren rated that high. I guess it just shows how good Chris social game was.
I would love for you to explain to me how Lauren being this high shows Chris social game when he had one of the worst social game of the season and only got back in cause of having the advantage of making relationships on edge of extinction when others who actually played better in the game couldn’t.
42 was my first season watching live so i think a whole lot higher of the new era penultimate jurors
Let's goo !
For next year, or just later down the line, I think a ranking that would make sense would be an "ultimate last pre-merge boot" if you are interested in doin it !
This was super wacky
Took u long enough!!!
You should do top 10 worst international players
Do 6th placers next, but totally skip Spilo and go to Elaine
My Rankings:
1- Cirie (12)
2- Ricard (41)
3- Natalie (16)
4- Elisabeth (2)
5- Ken (17)
6- Rupert (8)
7- Lauren (38)
8- Sue (1)
9- Ciera (27)
10- Tom (3)
11- Julie (45)
12- Brett (33)
13- Alison (37)
14- Spencer (28)
15- Peih-Gee (15)
16- Karla (43)
17- Adam (13)
18- Lindsay (42)
19- Baylor (29)
20- Ben (40)
21- Jenn (10)
22- Boo (14)
23- Helen (5)
24- Taj (18)
25- Sierra (30)
26- Donathan (36)
27- Lauren (44)
28- Aubry (34)
29- Alicia (24)
30- Andrea (22)
31- Mike (35)
32- Janet (39)
33- Jaison (19)
34- Joe (32)
35- Rick (23)
36- Paschal (4)
37- Keith (31)
38- Colby (20)
39- Eliza (9)
40- Erik (26)
41- Dan (21)
42- Abi-Maria (25)
43- Lydia (11)
44- Butch (6)
45- Darrah (7)
Why darrah at dead last?
@@cantwin8105 For me, I did hate putting her last, but I do feel like she did have to win a few challenges, and if it weren't for Osten's quit she would have been a pre merger.
@@owenpierce4874But you have Spencer in the top twenty
@@boomz2526 Yeah, but Spencer was a lot more active, was in the best spot on Aparri, and earned his spot more
@@owenpierce4874It's still a similar outcome though. Spencer had zero influence after the merge vote was pretty much forced to watch his allies go and had to comp out in the endgame. He had to win quite a few challenges, and would've gone home at the J'Tia vote had production not pressured Kass and Tasha. I'm not saying Spencer needs to go down, but a 20 spot gap between him and Darrah is a little crazy
Do the biggest goat on each season final tribal council
International meetings boot rankings
i believe he already made that a while back ? i know he at least did it for australian and south african survivor
For your next big ranking, you should do the youngest player on each season
And oldest!
I think he’s doing 2nd boots or Pre Penultimate Juror rankings next.
According to Boo, he wins unanimously against Dreamz and Cassandra
He might which just proves what huge goats they are. However he for sure loses to most people. I will give him credit for the alliance of 4 he tagged along with as the 5th member taking him to Final 5, and them convinced to do so by him, when he was such a huge challenge threat, has a great shot to win his way to the end, and also could have convinced Cassandra/Dreamz to vote out Yau at 5, then possibly taken out Earl at 4, in that scenario. That is about the only plus I can give his game.
Werner would be #1 on an international list
Adam Gentry at #5, Ben at #20 for his terrible Winners at War game, and Paschal at #1 are all terrible rankings, although I understand Paschal sort of.
Adam Gentry in the top 5 tf lol 😂
When Rick and Joe "played better" than spencer lmao
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Spencer at 29 is wild... He lost to arguably the best Survivor player of all time and he almost beat him.. top 5 for sure..
You basically didn't say anything good about Taj and she's in your top? Very confusing.
I agree but he has Taj that high since he values (overvalues) being in the majority as she was all game except sometime before the first merge vote but she/Stephen/JT easily flipped people over and got the majority again before the vote even happened. So that would make him feel obligated by his own critiera to put her high, even if he doesn't like her game per say. Plus she atleast had some win equity (eg she for sure beats Erinn or Coach in a Final 2, and might have a shot vs Stephen).
no way andrea is last place. she had some sort of win equity
She shouldn’t have been a penultimate juror in the first place and her win equity is very debatable. I guess she probably beats Natalie and Phillip but that was never happening.
At the very least, she should be above Abi Maria. If Andrea comped her way to the end, she likely wins. Abi Maria doesn't win despite being a massive underdog, people that should've taken her to F3 didn't want to due to her attitude, and she loses even in a F3 of her Skupin and Carter
She really did not have much win equity at all. Of the 12 person merge the only people she beats are Natalie and Phillip, and "maybe" Rob. She loses for sure to Grant, Matt, Ashley, or any of the 5 Zapatera, and possibly to Rob as well. Also she was dead bottom of the 6 person alliance, and by far the worst positioned to make the end. Grant and Ashley were much better positioned to make the end than her, particularly Grant (which is forgotten only since he got booted only due to Ashley's immunity win, then lost the final RI duel), despite being bigger jury threats than she was.
@@boomz2526 Andrea loses to most people at the end. She loses to Grant, loses to Matt, loses to Ashley, loses to any Zapatera. I would say Boston Rob is 50-50. Even if she comps out she probably does not win up at the end with Phillip and Natalie, so likely still loses.
@@charliesarver She does not probably beat Natalie and Phillip. She is certain to destroy Natalie and Phillip. There is no chance either of those two come even close to winning any Final 3 out of the entire cast, or atleast out of the 12 or 13 people who made the merge that season.
I’m guessing the top 5 has to be a mix of Sue, Rupert, Natalie, Ken, Taj, Ciera, and Lindsay (42), maybe even a Julie (45). Will revisit to score myself
Omg forgot Cirie
Ciri wins hands down against anyone, the jury themselves said that. Paschal was screwed over more but Ciri is obviously number 1. Plus Paschal wouldn’t have beat Kathy. The jury made it clear that Kathy should have won
The jury have not said this at all. Terry for sure beats Cirie since he obviously has Sally, Austin, Shane, Bruce all guaranteed, and pretty sure he has Courtney too. Granted this F2 never, ever happens but you said she wins hands down against everyone.
I am not even sure if it is for sure she beats Aras, who also has Sally and Austin most likely, Terry has confirmed he is a for sure Aras vote due to his challenge dominance, and then only needs 1 of Shane (super bitter at both) or Courtney (also bitter at both).
@@grantgoffin4774 Bruce said in an interview that he would have voted for Ciri to win
@@grantgoffin4774 Terry only would have had Sally and Austin’s vote
@@andrecanton7591 Shane was never voting Cirie, LOL! His voting order by the time of his boot was Terry >>> Danielle (who he hated which shows how bitter he was at both Aras and Cirie) > Aras > Cirie. Bruce I read said he votes Danielle over everyone, and Terry 2nd.
Also on that note it isn't even for sure Cirie beats Danielle. Danielle gets Bruce, Shane due to being super bitter at both Cirie and Aras, and probably Terry, and only needs 1 more. I would guess Cirie gets the other 4 to win but it isn't for sure, especialy Sally or Austin possibly voting Danielle.
So Cirie loses to Terry, might lose to Aras, and isn't even for sure to beat Danielle.
@@grantgoffin4774 LOL! Danielle lost almost unanimously to Aras. If she was up against Ciri I doubt she would even get 1 vote
now ur jus running out of ideas babe
Karla being that high is ridiculous, she is a bottom tier
Disagree. Karla controlled her pre-merge tribe. She was behind every single blindside on her tribe. Even early merge, she still had a lot of power and allies. Her downfall was losing Sami.
She is that high for her win equity, plus her power most of the game.
no she isnt lol. She had control in the game unlike most of the poeople at the bottom
@@noahnussbaum8693 she had literally zero power in the post merge and id argue strategically it’s the one of the worst for somebody who made it that far with how bad her decision making was over and over and over again.
@@devondonato4609 He probably put her that high for her win equity, which a lot of this list has very little to none of, or less than Karla. Not saying I agree, but I can understand the logic if that is his basis for putting her so high. It is literally the only reason I can think she would deserve it.
Then again he ranked Boston Rob super high in best winning games when he had one of the lowest win equitys ever of a winner, so maybe it just depends if he likes you or not.