I haven’t liked this Ben since he made that smug video, when he still had his Ford zx2, he made a condescending video about affording his cars because “it isn’t that hard, just manage your money” completely disregarding his free/heavy discounts... and years later when he gets bad COVID ( no idea if he’s vax or not ) does he sell his cars for money? No he begs online. This Ben is a turd.
The stress alone doing this kind of job isn’t worth the supposed center of gravity weight gain. The only way I’d be down to do this is if my car came from the factory like this already. A lot of sTi owners have sun roofs. It’s a better option having a sTi non sun roof car and leave the roof alone.
I know mark was a mechanic of some sort in the military, but to have the versatility he has working on cars is impressive even if he had years as a professional auto tech. More mark in the content please - I love seeing the way he goes about doing things.
I love how Jason on Engineering Explained just had a video saying goodbye to the Miata and mentioned how ridiculous carbon roofs are for how little weight you save for the price point
Guys, spot weld cutters and smoke machines to test for leaks are your friends. Good first attempt tho. You'll get it right, but like i always say "Hot rodding will kill us all... Usually from disappointments" 💪🏆
Props for making the attempt. Obviously youre going to have it 100% when its all said and done. I think the next move has to be different seats cuz they have to be hefty as hell
@@mengx94 Yes but with a GR corolla you know you have a car that's more reliable, fuel efficient, cheaper to maintain and way cheaper. So it's not really a fair comparison, still a great build.
Lol I love this car but $7k for 8lbs and a whole lot of trouble😅.. This is why most people just wrap the roof. I’ll take this episode as a cautionary tale 😂
It makes me smile to see the Escort still hanging around in the background. That's such a cool looking little car, and I'd love to see more content with it. I get why it's been on the back burner for so long though.
It is that thing: you have to set a goal for your project. If you do not set an ending, you will end up putting stuff on your car that will make it worse and will cost you a lot. Right now, I have two projects: The street car is done and I enjoy it the same way it’s been two years. The off-road vehicle is crazy and I started to regret the three last major modifications. It has to stop.
I'm astonished at how much grinding these guys do without any masks. At this point they probably weigh about a pound more in steel and welding bead dust sitting in their lungs and gut. To anyone else, especially with carbon fiber, carbon fiber splinters your body doesn't register as foreign bodies and will never attack and expel like a wood splinter. It simply will sit in your lungs or wherever it lodges forever. It's why you need to use a full respirator and generally a negative pressure table when working with carbon or graphite. Steel at least will eventually find it's way out, but why breathe it in when it's simple to prevent?
I felt the pain at the end. I was very hopefull because I want to do the same thing to remove the sunroof. Getting rid of a sunroof would make a big difference in weight reduction. Keep in mind that you can still recover from this, just going to take some time. Money aside, IT IS FIXABLE 😁 But cmon, we all make mistakes on our builds, but we keep going because we love our cars ❤ Don't listen to all the negative comments, hang in there. I'm excited to see this car come back.
Evolve Automotive just did their M3 touring during the week and they clamoed all the corners. I would go for this approach over putting tyres on the roof as any flex in the middle may pop the edges up. Solid job though and love the factory OEM carbon roof.
as a former WRX STi owner, I can't believe you did this. if i'd started cutting into mine, i would've just kept going until the pieces were perfectly junkyard sized. >.> (it was a lemon)
As an RSX Type S owner, I get it. The sunroof on the RSX is what separates it from the DC5 Integra Type R variant with a slick top and roof swapping is my #1 wanted mod. I totally get Ben's desire for a carbon fiber roof lol.
It’s a good “how not to do” video 😂😂😂 My prediction: they’ll end up scrapping the roof entirely and end up with no roof and no back window to save even more weight.
At least one thing this video confirms is that we shouldn't waste our time replacing the roof with a carbon fiber one. Unless you have a youtube channel and you need to find a new project that nobody has done before... but what a waste of money. Mark should get a bonus on this job. 😆
intro was hard to watch and wrap my head around. but the amount of money and effort you put it, makes it actually kinda cool. good work boys, I never want to see anything like this again.
This is a good example of all ways have someone experience with doing this kinds of jobs leave it to professionals or have them guide you in to doing it right
Dude, There is some beauty in putting blood, sweat, tears, and 8 hours of grinding into your project... it's definitely not the 8 hours of grinding, but there is beauty.
Marsh composites sells only carbon fiber, no fiberglass carbon trash They've got a roof for 1,300-1,500. Just in case anyone wants to get one without spending 7k Their fitments are also perfect I highly suggest checking them out if you want oem sized fenders full carbon, hood, etc.
Am I the only one who sees what he has done in a positive way? He learned a lot of new things by doing that and as a result, he taught us a lot of things as well ,and he had the guts to do that.
Performance is more than just torque and hrsprs. The carbon fiber roof lowers the center of gravity which does improve handling and stability which in turn improves performance. Dropping all the weight they did overall also improves the power to weight ratio which also improves performance.
Good effort dough, I has happen to me try to fix something, and at the end have to run to a mechanic so they can finish it properly, but there is still satisfaction and lot of experience. Great job!!
I have always toyed with that thought but couldnt bare to mess around with my daily. Kudos to Ben and Mark for attempting this. U know what? The weight savings may not be worth it, but I think what many ppl missed was the drop in cg. I mean, u can try reducing weight elsewhere; seats, fenders, bonnet, boot, u name it, but nothing is as heavy and sits as high up as the roof of a 4 door sedan. The next best thing is risk cracking your bumpers, scraping your undercarriage at every other speed bump with coilovers.
Complete utter waste of money & resources. I'm also not certain your insurance company will will be thrilled to see you took an angle grinder to the structure.
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Mark better get a raise after this episode 😅
The look on his face lol
definitely 👍
A for effort !
I was thinking this the entire episode. 😂
I’ve watch him wrench and diagnose but replacing an entire roof 😲
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could. You didn't stop to think if you should.
I haven’t liked this Ben since he made that smug video, when he still had his Ford zx2, he made a condescending video about affording his cars because “it isn’t that hard, just manage your money” completely disregarding his free/heavy discounts... and years later when he gets bad COVID ( no idea if he’s vax or not ) does he sell his cars for money? No he begs online. This Ben is a turd.
*You didn't stop to think if Mark should*
I was thinking the same. Basically threw this STI to the trash
Damn you didn’t need to cook them that much lol
Ha! Jurassic Park!
Lost it at the "After calmly discussing our options," nice throwback to the kei car series 😂
Yea same
yep also noticed it
It always reminds me of the "Dumbledore said calmly" meme hahaha
anyone else remember when ben said that this STI was going to be his /daily/?
daily as in work on it everyday hahaha
at this point, he might as well just gut it and use it for his wheel to wheel racing.
@@LChinezetoo unreliable for that, Subarus won't take the abuse..
@@geogmz8277 he swapped out the subaru block with an iAG block.
@@geogmz8277Subies compete and do well in almost all classes of racing. Minus roll racing and pure drag racing
What if they need to add 10 lbs of sealant to make it liquid tight?
lol
Gotta thank you guys for this one. I had illusions of putting an RA roof on my STi and now I'm 100% OUT 😂. I'll wrap that thing.
Haha..man you just beat me to the exact comment I was going to make. Me an vinyl wrap are about to become good friends!
Exactly who this video was intended for. This is just way too much work and money. Glad to see this whole process.
The stress alone doing this kind of job isn’t worth the supposed center of gravity weight gain. The only way I’d be down to do this is if my car came from the factory like this already. A lot of sTi owners have sun roofs. It’s a better option having a sTi non sun roof car and leave the roof alone.
yes. I had a chane to buy a RA roof. glad I didn't
I know mark was a mechanic of some sort in the military, but to have the versatility he has working on cars is impressive even if he had years as a professional auto tech. More mark in the content please - I love seeing the way he goes about doing things.
My father taught me an important lesson...don't fix something that ain't broke.
They're not fixing it
@@mitchellsteindlernow they will be 😅
Yeah don’t touch it unless you really really want that particular upgrade
@@hungryaliensoooo, technically it's broke 😂
Don’t change it unless you have RUclips money.
I love how Jason on Engineering Explained just had a video saying goodbye to the Miata and mentioned how ridiculous carbon roofs are for how little weight you save for the price point
I watched that video just before this one. Perhaps these guys should’ve watched it too before spending all that time and money on a leaky roof 😄
I had a bad day and then I watched this episode, I think I'm alright now. Thank you Ben & Mark.
Couldn’t agree more!
Mark better get his own build series after all this lol
Absolutely, or I quit
Like I said in the last video
This STi is gonna go from "500hp daily" to MY STi IS A RACECAR NOW!
He just has to buy a few more race cars first
As much as I find this channel entertaining, the moral of each video you guys make seems to be that the more you modify your car, the worse it gets 😄.
All this video did is make us feel bad for Mark
lol, it did haha, so true
Guys, spot weld cutters and smoke machines to test for leaks are your friends. Good first attempt tho. You'll get it right, but like i always say "Hot rodding will kill us all... Usually from disappointments" 💪🏆
This is what being a youtube car guy is all about - financially questionable decisions which are exceptionally entertaining.
The problem with sealing it up inside the car is that the water can still get into those channels and just sit and fester away in there.
Props for making the attempt. Obviously youre going to have it 100% when its all said and done. I think the next move has to be different seats cuz they have to be hefty as hell
That and a carbon trunk for sure
100k car, tens of thousands of hours, all for this, a Subaru with a leaking roof. Remarkable.
It'll be a way better car than gr corolla for sure
@@mengx94 Yes but with a GR corolla you know you have a car that's more reliable, fuel efficient, cheaper to maintain and way cheaper. So it's not really a fair comparison, still a great build.
The most Ben thing ever 😂
Lol I love this car but $7k for 8lbs and a whole lot of trouble😅.. This is why most people just wrap the roof.
I’ll take this episode as a cautionary tale 😂
At least no one will attempt to do a carbon roof swap after this. Kudos to you both on experimenting this job
I love how well Mark has just blended in with this channel/group he has been a great addition!
good job, you guys are really raising the roof with these uploads
Mark is the man! We need more recognition for Mark!
It makes me smile to see the Escort still hanging around in the background. That's such a cool looking little car, and I'd love to see more content with it. I get why it's been on the back burner for so long though.
It is that thing: you have to set a goal for your project. If you do not set an ending, you will end up putting stuff on your car that will make it worse and will cost you a lot.
Right now, I have two projects:
The street car is done and I enjoy it the same way it’s been two years.
The off-road vehicle is crazy and I started to regret the three last major modifications. It has to stop.
Well that sucks... And now it's leaking. I have a feeling this STI will be on Sale soon!
You guys are so good at filming, story telling, choosing music... It's an emotional rollercoaster for "just" one mod. I love this channel
That was a good video. I really dislike when things don't workout. But helps us become better.
I'm astonished at how much grinding these guys do without any masks. At this point they probably weigh about a pound more in steel and welding bead dust sitting in their lungs and gut.
To anyone else, especially with carbon fiber, carbon fiber splinters your body doesn't register as foreign bodies and will never attack and expel like a wood splinter. It simply will sit in your lungs or wherever it lodges forever. It's why you need to use a full respirator and generally a negative pressure table when working with carbon or graphite. Steel at least will eventually find it's way out, but why breathe it in when it's simple to prevent?
I felt the pain at the end. I was very hopefull because I want to do the same thing to remove the sunroof. Getting rid of a sunroof would make a big difference in weight reduction.
Keep in mind that you can still recover from this, just going to take some time. Money aside, IT IS FIXABLE 😁
But cmon, we all make mistakes on our builds, but we keep going because we love our cars ❤
Don't listen to all the negative comments, hang in there. I'm excited to see this car come back.
Mark is just as important to this channel as the cars are. We need tonsee his S2K get some love though.
Thanks! The level of craft in this episode was amazing.
Evolve Automotive just did their M3 touring during the week and they clamoed all the corners. I would go for this approach over putting tyres on the roof as any flex in the middle may pop the edges up.
Solid job though and love the factory OEM carbon roof.
Mark is a trooper and deserves a raise
This is the most ben thorn thing hahaha
Gear and gasoline trying to keep their car as stock as possible for atleast 3 years challange *(IMPOSSIBLE)* *(GONE SEXUAL?!?)*
Mark is a patient man, damn.
So much respect for the amount of work and determination
as a former WRX STi owner, I can't believe you did this. if i'd started cutting into mine, i would've just kept going until the pieces were perfectly junkyard sized. >.>
(it was a lemon)
Bro don’t ever give up. Just keep going. We here to support u. Keep them videos coming. You’ll get thru this just have faith in god. Blessings 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Great video. Makes me not want to drive my car but also makes me want to drive it more. So much goes in to that prep.
Things I will never attempt to do for $100 Mr. Trebeck
... or "for $7000" as the case may be. 😉
Same here man
"after calmly discussing our options" thank god its still going
This video was a GREAT display of a mod you shouldn't do and all the reasons lol hope you guys get it fixed for your peace of mind Ben
As an RSX Type S owner, I get it. The sunroof on the RSX is what separates it from the DC5 Integra Type R variant with a slick top and roof swapping is my #1 wanted mod. I totally get Ben's desire for a carbon fiber roof lol.
Can’t you just take out the sunroof and weld in some more metal?
@@AudiRSAvant some people do. Think what happens is the plug ends up deforming over time, so the roof panel swap is preferred by others.
Man you guys are game. I love working on cars but zero chance I'd ever do this level of a job. Well done!
“After calmly discussing our option…”
I get PTSD from this.
Bought a set of 4 Continental tires at discount tire through your link. Thank you!
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I mean, he's not tracking the car, it's just a daily. He'll never be doing anything where the "lost" structural rigidity will actually matter
@@sonofulti1337now its not even a daily,
or only „dry day daily” 😂😂😂
@@cypsoonnot sure how considering it has a roof.
Damn you.. I think that's the one I've been keeping an eye on! Good grab!
This is the most m subaru STI thing to do..this is like the last bosss mod Sti ownership level type of shit and I’m here for it…wild….love it haha
I’m so glad you’re doing this, I’ve been sitting on a type ra roof for almost two years now, too worried to install it on my Sti.
It’s a good “how not to do” video 😂😂😂
My prediction: they’ll end up scrapping the roof entirely and end up with no roof and no back window to save even more weight.
That is a monumental amount of work.
This has to be the best video I've ever seen about the dumbest thing ever. Amazing contrast. I bet you guys learned a lot from it though.
“What?! No wayyyyy” 😂😂😂 IYKYK
So is this why you wanted the non sunroof version to begin with?
Probably. But, non-moonroof roofs are significantly lighter and more rigid.
Kinda a waste of a non-moonroof chassis to just rip it out and put in a carbon roof anyways.
and more headroom
@@haphazard1342 What's the waste (other than money)? It dropped nearly 10 lbs off the car which may lower the center of gravity an inch or two.
less than that@@mhicaoidh1
Not what you wanted but you taught us all a lesson, carbon roof mod should be last on the list after exhaust tip whistles 😂😂
Marc is an absolute BOSS.
At least one thing this video confirms is that we shouldn't waste our time replacing the roof with a carbon fiber one. Unless you have a youtube channel and you need to find a new project that nobody has done before... but what a waste of money. Mark should get a bonus on this job. 😆
Great video, Your videos are so therapeutic to watch. Keep making them.
intro was hard to watch and wrap my head around. but the amount of money and effort you put it, makes it actually kinda cool. good work boys, I never want to see anything like this again.
Wow! The lengths you go through for excellent content! Thank you for all you do - every week.
This is a good example of all ways have someone experience with doing this kinds of jobs leave it to professionals or have them guide you in to doing it right
Dude, There is some beauty in putting blood, sweat, tears, and 8 hours of grinding into your project... it's definitely not the 8 hours of grinding, but there is beauty.
Took some SERIOUS guts and commitment to take on mod of this level. Win, lose, or draw. GREAT JOB! 💪👏👏👏
Marsh composites sells only carbon fiber, no fiberglass carbon trash
They've got a roof for 1,300-1,500.
Just in case anyone wants to get one without spending 7k
Their fitments are also perfect
I highly suggest checking them out if you want oem sized fenders full carbon, hood, etc.
I came here for this comment. Marsh also claims 16 lb reduction.
I wonder how regular Ben drives this car
Regular Ben? Is Asian Ben not regular? Also he daily’s it
@@austinlee9291regular sized ben
@@hunterbodell1129 small ben
@@austinlee9291He meant how regularly* dont be so dense
Ima guess less than the F150. The real daily 😂
Great video! Mark is really entertaining 😂
Lot of work. Both of your patients is impressive
Am I the only one who sees what he has done in a positive way? He learned a lot of new things by doing that and as a result, he taught us a lot of things as well ,and he had the guts to do that.
Yes you are the only one
No you aren't the only one. The comment section is just full of children.
I respect it, this is your pride and joy, the little details make it perfect :)
Over $10k later, has anything been done to this car that actually improved performance?
Not everything has to be performance orientated. Let people enjoy things.
Have you considered not being a 5-year-old Supra kid who thinks performance is the only aspect of cars?
Subaru owners are fetishists on par with Porsche owners. I agree these things are meant to be driven
It did get better brakes.. Out of curiosity, how is your project doing and where are you sharing the progress?
Performance is more than just torque and hrsprs. The carbon fiber roof lowers the center of gravity which does improve handling and stability which in turn improves performance.
Dropping all the weight they did overall also improves the power to weight ratio which also improves performance.
I have continental 6’s in my G1 insight and I think they’re the best eco tyre on the market. The Michelin tyres go rock hard and crack so soon!
Gives new meaning to the term “Labor of Love”.
Miss the blue ford, was nice seeing it’s still around. Pls bring back content on it
Deng those floors are squeaky clean
What i like about this channel is that they are very meticulous in rust and aesthetics.
Thanks for sharing both your successes and your failures. I was wondering if you were able to seal it buy just removing the windshield and rear glass?
thank you for suffering through this so that we didn't have to. all for the passion. now do a miata build!
If anything, for science! Thanks for not hiding the leak problem.
Love the honesty! Commitment! And content! Great episode!
My god, He needs to be stopped!
So thankful I get to watch you guys do this instead of having to do it myself I get wtfs just hearing you talk about it 😅
Good effort dough, I has happen to me try to fix something, and at the end have to run to a mechanic so they can finish it properly, but there is still satisfaction and lot of experience. Great job!!
You boys do this upgrade so others learn not to even attempt it. A for effort.
this one hurt, sometimes its better to leave the car as how it was. I've met situations like this before.
Mark is such a good friend, sucks the roof leaks after all that hard work….but damn that STi looks good.
Sometimes just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
I have always toyed with that thought but couldnt bare to mess around with my daily. Kudos to Ben and Mark for attempting this. U know what? The weight savings may not be worth it, but I think what many ppl missed was the drop in cg. I mean, u can try reducing weight elsewhere; seats, fenders, bonnet, boot, u name it, but nothing is as heavy and sits as high up as the roof of a 4 door sedan. The next best thing is risk cracking your bumpers, scraping your undercarriage at every other speed bump with coilovers.
Tell us more about that CF roof when you build a race car with complete seam welding and a cage 😅
This is how not the end a project car, can't imagine how ben is getting ideas modifying a "stock" impreza
At this point just keep building it as your next Time Attack car! ❤
This things gonna be so nice you wont even want to drive it anymore! Haha amazing car i love this build as always G&G is in a class of their own.
If you take tire valve stems and put them in a drill. Itll take the rubber/sealant off with out using razor blades. You guy did a great job!!!!!
Complete utter waste of money & resources. I'm also not certain your insurance company will will be thrilled to see you took an angle grinder to the structure.
You had to add way more 3M man. When they put on windshield on my car that bead was THICK
I just noticed my Polaroid is on your black tool box!!! It was awesome seeing you guys at NJMP GridLife, look forward to seeing ya'll again next year!
Hell to the no no no for this hahaha insane amount of work . Poor Mark.
Love the honesty at the end of the video.
Fair play, good content and well documented. Not sure why all the 'I told you so'. At least you gave it a go