Wow, thanks, there's a lot of really wonderful music in this! One lovely or exciting movement after another. I look forward to listening carefully to the whole thing. I am enjoying this opera much more than other Fux compositions I have ever heard, which I frankly found almost universally forgettable. I gather this opera was considered old fashioned at the time it was premiered, but we don't have to care about that now. I would love to have been on the scene in 1723 when one could also hear this beautiful opera plus the ZWV 175 Wenceslas piece by Zelenka (who in my opinion is -- unlike Fux -- one of the all time great composers). But what a long day that would have been -- how the heck did people relieve themselves at such events?
A remarkable composition. Interesting to note the similarity of contrapuntal writing with J.S. Bach's: the (choral and instrumental) parts usually use simultaneous inversions of the same motif in different parts on top of each other, the figurations in quasi-homophonic sections are also very similar to the chorale adaptation style of Bach's. Even more interesting is, how much Fux is frowned upon as a composer, while many people wouldn't be able to differentiate his works from Bach's. It's also often said that Fux as a composer was galant and simple, which doesn't seem true in the light of the compositions that are uploaded on this channel
(Zeno here) A interesting piece of information: this opera was composed for the coronation of Charles the VI in 1723, also was Zelenka's melodrama to Saint Wenceslaus "Sub olea pacis", ZWV 175. According to surviving accounts of the grandiose events of that evening, the nobility at the time seem to prefer Zelenka's work over Fux - what is your opinion? Here, the score in 4k / full resolution: ruclips.net/video/J0cM1sSZJiU/видео.html
@@christianwouters6764 It was most likely a celebration / anniversary of the event. Either way, if the leading Zelenka scholar Janice B. Stockigt considered it composed in 1723 for the occasion, I think that is evidence enough - as well as most other scholars I have come across in researching this work since I discovered it.
@@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru So poor Charles VI had absolutely NO music at his real coronation in 1711 😉...had to wait 12 years to have some. Fux's work is certainly fine, but by 1723 it must have sounded definetely old fashioned. If I were a 1723 count or duke I would certainly have gone for Zelenka
@@christianwouters6764 Zelenka 1-0 Fux, though without being taught what Zelenka knew from the master, chances are ZWV 175 would never have been conceived, or if it was - certainly not as good as it is.
@@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru Strange way of organising performances in those days. No concert manager nowadays would bill Madonna and Rihanna on the same evening in the same city. Fux would certainly not have been happy having his brilliant pupil as a rival. This being said, F work is very fragmented, a string of unrelated short pieces. Z understood much better to get a cohesion in his works, imo even better than Bach.
I totally agree. Length is definitely something for composers to greatly consider when making a work. That said, I am in love with Fux. He is one of the greatest teachers of all time!
@@Williamegert Sense of time was probably very different then. And maybe the music was not played in it's entirety in one evening as is the custom today.
@@christianwouters6764 "Sense of time was different then." I'm sure it was! What can we learn from this? If we can't enjoy 2 hours of beautiful music, what can we enjoy? lol
Most people most certainly did not enjoyed opera in one sitting in the Eighteenth Century. The best theatres back then displayed many other forms of entertainment like billiards, card playing and dining. Opera was more for mingling and being seen by other aristocrats/important people than to fully experience the music. This wagnerian view of opera and to become completely immersed in the plot/music was a total foreign concept to an Eighteenth Century person.
Then it is strange that the composers took all that time and effort to write down myriads of notes, knowing that a large part of the audience came for playing cards and admiring the ladies.@@fernandosoaresalves1191
My other score-videos of Johann Joseph Fux > ruclips.net/p/PLafpqg3vsKme4vwDjqwQI_D72piYXFbBH
Wow, thanks, there's a lot of really wonderful music in this! One lovely or exciting movement after another. I look forward to listening carefully to the whole thing. I am enjoying this opera much more than other Fux compositions I have ever heard, which I frankly found almost universally forgettable. I gather this opera was considered old fashioned at the time it was premiered, but we don't have to care about that now. I would love to have been on the scene in 1723 when one could also hear this beautiful opera plus the ZWV 175 Wenceslas piece by Zelenka (who in my opinion is -- unlike Fux -- one of the all time great composers). But what a long day that would have been -- how the heck did people relieve themselves at such events?
A great work and one of the largest scores from the Baroque era. 10 trumpets!
A remarkable composition. Interesting to note the similarity of contrapuntal writing with J.S. Bach's: the (choral and instrumental) parts usually use simultaneous inversions of the same motif in different parts on top of each other, the figurations in quasi-homophonic sections are also very similar to the chorale adaptation style of Bach's.
Even more interesting is, how much Fux is frowned upon as a composer, while many people wouldn't be able to differentiate his works from Bach's. It's also often said that Fux as a composer was galant and simple, which doesn't seem true in the light of the compositions that are uploaded on this channel
Thanks for adding this masterpiece!
It was worth it!
(Zeno here)
A interesting piece of information: this opera was composed for the coronation of Charles the VI in 1723, also was Zelenka's melodrama to Saint Wenceslaus "Sub olea pacis", ZWV 175. According to surviving accounts of the grandiose events of that evening, the nobility at the time seem to prefer Zelenka's work over Fux - what is your opinion?
Here, the score in 4k / full resolution: ruclips.net/video/J0cM1sSZJiU/видео.html
There must be a confusion here. Charles VI was crowned in 1711 so the 1723 Zelenka work couldn't be composed for that occasion.
@@christianwouters6764 It was most likely a celebration / anniversary of the event. Either way, if the leading Zelenka scholar Janice B. Stockigt considered it composed in 1723 for the occasion, I think that is evidence enough - as well as most other scholars I have come across in researching this work since I discovered it.
@@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru So poor Charles VI had absolutely NO music at his real coronation in 1711 😉...had to wait 12 years to have some. Fux's work is certainly fine, but by 1723 it must have sounded definetely old fashioned. If I were a 1723 count or duke I would certainly have gone for Zelenka
@@christianwouters6764 Zelenka 1-0 Fux, though without being taught what Zelenka knew from the master, chances are ZWV 175 would never have been conceived, or if it was - certainly not as good as it is.
@@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru Strange way of organising performances in those days. No concert manager nowadays would bill Madonna and Rihanna on the same evening in the same city. Fux would certainly not have been happy having his brilliant pupil as a rival.
This being said, F work is very fragmented, a string of unrelated short pieces. Z understood much better to get a cohesion in his works, imo even better than Bach.
Very interesting score, really good music. But like all baroque opera's to long to enjoy in one sitting.
I totally agree. Length is definitely something for composers to greatly consider when making a work. That said, I am in love with Fux. He is one of the greatest teachers of all time!
@@Williamegert Sense of time was probably very different then. And maybe the music was not played in it's entirety in one evening as is the custom today.
@@christianwouters6764 "Sense of time was different then." I'm sure it was! What can we learn from this? If we can't enjoy 2 hours of beautiful music, what can we enjoy? lol
Most people most certainly did not enjoyed opera in one sitting in the Eighteenth Century. The best theatres back then displayed many other forms of entertainment like billiards, card playing and dining. Opera was more for mingling and being seen by other aristocrats/important people than to fully experience the music. This wagnerian view of opera and to become completely immersed in the plot/music was a total foreign concept to an Eighteenth Century person.
Then it is strange that the composers took all that time and effort to write down myriads of notes, knowing that a large part of the audience came for playing cards and admiring the ladies.@@fernandosoaresalves1191
Cast, please
Performers in description, as always
@@TheOneAndOnlyZeno you have a link to a video where it lists the performers, but you don't list them yourself. You should!
@@Divaricoux I don't for a reason, so it doesn't get blocked