This sermon was preached by R.C. Sproul at Saint Andrew's Chapel in Sanford, Fla. Hear more from his series in the gospel of Mark: ruclips.net/p/PL30acyfm60fWpFiMnbLmGb8WD5YXXOAxX
Christ is truly coming in glory, BUT He is coming to the air for His bride/church first. His love must be satisfied first before He comes in judgement to the earth in glory and power.
It would be eisegetical preaching to say that Jesus meant that this type of people will still be around when he comes. Based on context (previous verses) was talking about timing, when he introduced the idea that this generation will not die off when he comes. Jesus was indeed talking about the timing of his coming, ans what to look for.
Dr. Robert L. Thomas asked in his "Theonomy and the Dating of Revelation:" "How is it that the “cloud-coming” of A.D. 70 involves no personal coming of Christ (Matthew 24:30; 26:64; Revelation 1:7; 2:5, 2:16, 2:25; 3:3, 3:11, 3:20; 16:15; 22:7, 22:12, 22:20), but the “cloud-coming” at the end of history does (Acts 1:11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13 ff.)? Where did Christ distinguish between two such comings, and where did He say that He would personally appear at one and not at the other? The answer to both questions is “nowhere.”
Dr. Lawson et al, do you think my channel's 0038 video, the theory it describes about our solar system, do you think it's possible? Do you know anything Biblically which categorically refutes it?
We are not vessels destined for wrath. Only the bowl/vial judgements are described as the wrath of God. The bowl/vial judgements are immediately preceded by the seventh (last) trumpet judgment. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Revelation 10:7 is part of the 6th trumpet judgment But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”
You don’t need to choose to take either the timeline as figurative, or the events as figurative. They can both be literal, as long as someone from that generation is still alive. The events haven’t happened yet because the generation hasn’t passed. What if there is a 2000 year old Jew wandering the earth? Surprised Sproul didn’t mention this option, it’s the most tidy way to take everything Jesus says at face value without anything failing or becoming figurative.
Jesus spoke in parables, so much of what He taught isn't literal. In Matt 26:65 Jesus told the Sanhedrin that from now on they would see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Just like in Mark 13, Jesus isn't referring to being visible in the clouds on the last day, He's referring to the fact that He's going to be lifted up, be given all power and authority and dominion, and stand at the right hand of God, and that it would happen soon, which it did when He died and was raised again. This type of language that references the clouds and heavenly bodies as metaphors is used in many places. It is the same when Jesus said in Mark 13 that the sun would be darkened and the moon would not give its light, etc. This same language is used in Isaiah 13 when referring to the coming destruction of Babylon. It's not referring to the end times. The same in Ezekiel 32 when referring to the coming destruction of Pharaoh. Again, this doesn't refer to the end times. So in Mark 13 Jesus is using the sun, moon and stars as metaphors to describe the coming destruction of the temple in the same way that Isaiah and Ezekiel did. Everything Jesus spoke of in Mark 13 came to pass before that generation passed away. Jesus was lifted up (Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God before He was executed by stoning) and the temple was destroyed.
The Sanhedrin knew by the Old Testament that judgement came, with God on the Clouds. Josephus wrote about chariots in the sky invoices you should read it. It’s pretty crazy stuff.
Can anyone help me understand if Christs coming happened in 70 a.d then why in Mathew 24 his apostles asked when will be the end of the world and then Jesus gave the following verses that we all are familiar with.
End of the age generally means a happening or an event in the Hebrew mindset. Such as Jesus first appearing was at the end of the age. Basically it was the end of the Old covenant and Jews.
John MacArthur, speaking on the parallel passage in Matthew 24:34... "This Generation - This cannot refer to the generation living at the time of Christ, for 'all these things' - the abomination of desolation (v. 15), the persecutions and judgments (vv. 17-22), the false prophets (vv. 23-26), the signs in the heavens (vv. 27-29), Christ's final return (v. 30), and the gathering of the elect (v. 31) - did not "take place" in their lifetime. It seems best to interpret Christ's words as a reference to the generation alive at the time when those final hard labor pains begin (cf. v. 8). This would fit with the lesson of the fig tree, which stresses the short span of time in which these things will occur."
Read Matthew 24 and Luke 21. Jesus was clearly saying he was returning in 70ad. Luke 21-20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its DESOLATION is near. There was many false prophets after Jesus' death. Read Josephus' The Jewish Wars. He writes how many many people saw chariots and angel armies running thru the sky during the siege.
@@davidmathews9633 It's true that Jerusalem suffered a desolation, but 70AD was nothing like the days of vengeance of which Jesus spoke. All things which are written were not fulfilled (cf. such unfulfilled prophecies as Zech. 12:1-9, 14:1-11 and the unprecedented outpouring of God's wrath described in Rev. 6-19), judge the wicked (Matt. 25:31-46), and establish His absolute rule here (Rev. 20:4-6). I'm sorry, but there is simply no way to make 70AD the ultimate fulfillment of these passages.
@@lawrencestanley8989 you also have to take into consideration that the Anti-Christ not being mentioned in this passage which indicates the last times which Jesus does not mention here not once
Bible is NOT a single book Bible is a series of Books Started before Christ... continues beyond Christ. Over 66 versions ..more than 40 authors..more than 2000 years old episode series...
The generation Jesus spoke of refers to the righteous people of God in the Church age, not a specific time period. Psalm 24:6 KJVS [6] This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah. Psalm 22:30 KJVS [30] A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
In the context of those verses yes. Notice the key words “the” and “them” in verse Psalm 24:6 Those refer to a specific people to a specific future time frame which is future. And for 22:30, notice the key words “it shall be” and “for a” which are time indicators for a future generation. In the Olivet Discourse, the key words of importance to understanding the context are “this” when referring to the generation. The wording is not “that”, or “for a”, which would be future generations. The other key word in the Olivet Discourse is the word “you” and “your”. Christ is using the second person plural when talking to the disciples which insist a time indication as well- that being one they would be experiencing.
This sermon was preached by R.C. Sproul at Saint Andrew's Chapel in Sanford, Fla. Hear more from his series in the gospel of Mark: ruclips.net/p/PL30acyfm60fWpFiMnbLmGb8WD5YXXOAxX
Do you know where Mark 13:21-23 is, please?
Thank you Oh Lord for your servant RC Sproul when he walked the Earth for telling us about you JESUS as our CHRIST by your Spirit . God with us
Miss ya RC.
How mighty is the Word of the Lord!
Most excellent. This interpretation rests so well with my spirit!
Amen Sproul. We must pray for wisdom when reading scripture. May the Lord reveal His glorious word unto us. God bless you all.
Christ is truly coming in glory, BUT He is coming to the air for His bride/church first. His love must be satisfied first before He comes in judgement to the earth in glory and power.
The generation that was alive to see Israel becaming a nation will not die off even in 2040. Israelis have quite a few centenarians today.
This is beautifully put. I love R.C
It would be eisegetical preaching to say that Jesus meant that this type of people will still be around when he comes.
Based on context (previous verses) was talking about timing, when he introduced the idea that this generation will not die off when he comes. Jesus was indeed talking about the timing of his coming, ans what to look for.
Amen
Aman
Dr. Robert L. Thomas asked in his "Theonomy and the Dating of Revelation:" "How is it that the “cloud-coming” of A.D. 70 involves no personal coming of Christ (Matthew 24:30; 26:64; Revelation 1:7; 2:5, 2:16, 2:25; 3:3, 3:11, 3:20; 16:15; 22:7, 22:12, 22:20), but the “cloud-coming” at the end of history does (Acts 1:11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13 ff.)? Where did Christ distinguish between two such comings, and where did He say that He would personally appear at one and not at the other? The answer to both questions is “nowhere.”
Why does RC always use mark 13 rather than Mathew 24?
Dr. Lawson et al, do you think my channel's 0038 video, the theory it describes about our solar system, do you think it's possible? Do you know anything Biblically which categorically refutes it?
Will the Steelers win another Super Bowl in the next forty years? (The Steelers won two more Super Bowls in the next 15 years)
We are not vessels destined for wrath. Only the bowl/vial judgements are described as the wrath of God. The bowl/vial judgements are immediately preceded by the seventh (last) trumpet judgment.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation 10:7 is part of the 6th trumpet judgment
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 16:1
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”
I agree, we will be raptured before the tribulation
Last trumpet was ad70
You don’t need to choose to take either the timeline as figurative, or the events as figurative. They can both be literal, as long as someone from that generation is still alive. The events haven’t happened yet because the generation hasn’t passed. What if there is a 2000 year old Jew wandering the earth? Surprised Sproul didn’t mention this option, it’s the most tidy way to take everything Jesus says at face value without anything failing or becoming figurative.
Jesus spoke in parables, so much of what He taught isn't literal. In Matt 26:65 Jesus told the Sanhedrin that from now on they would see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Just like in Mark 13, Jesus isn't referring to being visible in the clouds on the last day, He's referring to the fact that He's going to be lifted up, be given all power and authority and dominion, and stand at the right hand of God, and that it would happen soon, which it did when He died and was raised again. This type of language that references the clouds and heavenly bodies as metaphors is used in many places. It is the same when Jesus said in Mark 13 that the sun would be darkened and the moon would not give its light, etc. This same language is used in Isaiah 13 when referring to the coming destruction of Babylon. It's not referring to the end times. The same in Ezekiel 32 when referring to the coming destruction of Pharaoh. Again, this doesn't refer to the end times. So in Mark 13 Jesus is using the sun, moon and stars as metaphors to describe the coming destruction of the temple in the same way that Isaiah and Ezekiel did. Everything Jesus spoke of in Mark 13 came to pass before that generation passed away. Jesus was lifted up (Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God before He was executed by stoning) and the temple was destroyed.
The Sanhedrin knew by the Old Testament that judgement came, with God on the Clouds. Josephus wrote about chariots in the sky invoices you should read it. It’s pretty crazy stuff.
Can anyone help me understand if Christs coming happened in 70 a.d then why in Mathew 24 his apostles asked when will be the end of the world and then Jesus gave the following verses that we all are familiar with.
End of the age generally means a happening or an event in the Hebrew mindset. Such as Jesus first appearing was at the end of the age. Basically it was the end of the Old covenant and Jews.
John MacArthur, speaking on the parallel passage in Matthew 24:34...
"This Generation - This cannot refer to the generation living at the time of Christ, for 'all these things' - the abomination of desolation (v. 15), the persecutions and judgments (vv. 17-22), the false prophets (vv. 23-26), the signs in the heavens (vv. 27-29), Christ's final return (v. 30), and the gathering of the elect (v. 31) - did not "take place" in their lifetime. It seems best to interpret Christ's words as a reference to the generation alive at the time when those final hard labor pains begin (cf. v. 8). This would fit with the lesson of the fig tree, which stresses the short span of time in which these things will occur."
Read Matthew 24 and Luke 21. Jesus was clearly saying he was returning in 70ad.
Luke 21-20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its DESOLATION is near.
There was many false prophets after Jesus' death.
Read Josephus' The Jewish Wars. He writes how many many people saw chariots and angel armies running thru the sky during the siege.
@@davidmathews9633
It's true that Jerusalem suffered a desolation, but 70AD was nothing like the days of vengeance of which Jesus spoke. All things which are written were not fulfilled (cf. such unfulfilled prophecies as Zech. 12:1-9, 14:1-11 and the unprecedented outpouring of God's wrath described in Rev. 6-19), judge the wicked (Matt. 25:31-46), and establish His absolute rule here (Rev. 20:4-6). I'm sorry, but there is simply no way to make 70AD the ultimate fulfillment of these passages.
@@lawrencestanley8989 you also have to take into consideration that the Anti-Christ not being mentioned in this passage which indicates the last times which Jesus does not mention here not once
the Jews don't believe the Messiah came at all yet...
Bible is NOT a single book
Bible is a series of Books
Started before Christ... continues beyond Christ. Over 66 versions ..more than 40 authors..more than 2000 years old episode series...
The generation Jesus spoke of refers to the righteous people of God in the Church age, not a specific time period.
Psalm 24:6 KJVS
[6] This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
Psalm 22:30 KJVS
[30] A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
That’s interesting. Thank you. God bless you.
In the context of those verses yes. Notice the key words “the” and “them” in verse Psalm 24:6 Those refer to a specific people to a specific future time frame which is future. And for 22:30, notice the key words “it shall be” and “for a” which are time indicators for a future generation. In the Olivet Discourse, the key words of importance to understanding the context are “this” when referring to the generation. The wording is not “that”, or “for a”, which would be future generations. The other key word in the Olivet Discourse is the word “you” and “your”. Christ is using the second person plural when talking to the disciples which insist a time indication as well- that being one they would be experiencing.