Tony Blair and Christopher Hitchens Debate Religion - Munk Debate

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  • Tony Blair and Christopher Hitchens take part in a Munk Debate on the topic of religion. Taken from BBC News.

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  • @paulcraig3355
    @paulcraig3355 Год назад +449

    Can't believe Blair thought he had any chance of winning a debate with Hitchens

    • @dg8620
      @dg8620 Год назад +35

      True but he did a lot better than most. He's very eloquent

    • @shh_you_are_wrong
      @shh_you_are_wrong Год назад

      @@dg8620 he's a greedy hypocrite, talking about spiritual richness whilst grabbing as much material richness as he possibly can.
      The man is a fraud and a liar with zero moral credibility, another two-faced false prophet.

    • @taxidude
      @taxidude Год назад

      I can’t believe Blair thought he had any credibility being a mass murderer who had to be given immunity from future prosecution.

    • @eaglesfan2285
      @eaglesfan2285 Год назад +18

      While I am on the other side of him on this debate, I greatly admire his willingness to do this and his effort at debating in good will.

    • @psyskeptic9979
      @psyskeptic9979 Год назад +17

      He actually did a good job. I am a new atheist, but we got a few things wrong in retrospect. Got to love Hitchens, though.

  • @gconnolly648
    @gconnolly648 10 месяцев назад +55

    Hitchins will rightly be remembered as an intellectual giant but we shouldn't forget he was incredibly funny. RIP Chris.

    • @marcburrow1004
      @marcburrow1004 7 месяцев назад +3

      He didn’t like his name shortened

  • @dangondu5
    @dangondu5 11 лет назад +164

    Since the start Blair gave up on trying to say that religion is good, he just tried to make it sound like it isn't as bad as Hitchens says it is.

  • @mistermac4
    @mistermac4 11 месяцев назад +60

    Blair has gone fully to the dark side, seeking redemption through the confession box. Pathetic level of profound hypocrisy

  • @justicelut
    @justicelut Год назад +412

    Christopher hitchens was one of the most well versed and informed orators of our times. RIP Christopher you are sadly missed!

    • @Adipsia1
      @Adipsia1 Год назад +6

      And he held himself in incredibly high regard. Humility was never a word associated with Christopher Hitchens.

    • @drewmog123456
      @drewmog123456 Год назад +9

      You are asking Christopher to rest in peace???? (!).

    • @wheelsofafrica
      @wheelsofafrica Год назад +7

      He has gone to see his Maker.
      I wonder how that has affected his beliefs.

    • @13pounds55
      @13pounds55 Год назад +13

      @@wheelsofafrica Maker!?. What a strange belief you have.

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 Год назад +9

      @@wheelsofafrica We evolved from lower species. We were not created by some magical God.

  • @westwalian1018
    @westwalian1018 Год назад +335

    How I wish that Christopher Hitchens was still with us. A great and sad loss.

    • @davepowell7168
      @davepowell7168 Год назад +3

      WMDS in lraq? He was an established twonk

    • @nealgrimes4382
      @nealgrimes4382 Год назад +10

      @@davepowell7168 No one said he was.infallible and being human he could be wrong and he would be the first to admit it but.that doesn't make him wrong.about everything.

    • @davepowell7168
      @davepowell7168 Год назад

      @@nealgrimes4382 l enjoyed his role as an eloquent religious antagonist, however after the debate with his brother (ref. Hitchins v Hitchins 2011)changed my mind.
      Unsurprisingly nobody was dumb enough to sell Hussein anything harder than enough to irritate lsrael
      The project Babylon gun (Sheffield steel?) was a masterpiece of Bull (refs available)
      The geopolitical motives were clear and in print by 2000 and the guy wasn't a fool.
      RlP Dr David Kelly . First person recorded to have committed suicide from severing the ulnar artery alone ?
      Co-proxamol was present.
      A man of great integrity

    • @davepowell7168
      @davepowell7168 Год назад

      @@nealgrimes4382 l agree with your comment but bullshit is best spread by assets with a long history of being rational, intelligent and right.
      In Christopher Hitchins case he doesn't have to answer to God.
      I suspect that there may be some filtering in the recycling of human sentience (the soul?)and Christopher was good at his work.
      I have a personal grudge against religious indoctrination and still enjoyed much of his style of humour but this guy knew of US foreign policy (PNAC) before 2000.
      You're aware of his bloodline

    • @Whatzzzz999
      @Whatzzzz999 Год назад +3

      @@davepowell7168 It was the only bad decision he ever made imo. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

  • @majordendrocopos
    @majordendrocopos Год назад +46

    Blair can see things that are invisible and undetectable, like those “Weapons of mass destruction”………

    • @DepakoteMeister
      @DepakoteMeister 11 месяцев назад +1

      🤣

    • @jeffreyhearn8930
      @jeffreyhearn8930 10 месяцев назад +1

      Ha yesssss! Forgot about those!

    • @isaac1998
      @isaac1998 5 месяцев назад

      Well unfortunately Hitchens was also a huge supporter of the Iraq war.

  • @justinlsands
    @justinlsands 11 лет назад +133

    Even Blair enjoyed Hitchens performance even though he got his butt kicked

    • @FrankieHchannel
      @FrankieHchannel 6 лет назад +6

      Justin Sands Yeah, when C.H died Blair showed a huge amount of respect to him.

    • @AlvenmodFoto
      @AlvenmodFoto Год назад +14

      To be fair to Blair, everyone who agrees to debate Hitchens gets their ass kicked

    • @jamesanthony5681
      @jamesanthony5681 Год назад +5

      @@FrankieHchannel Hitchens supported the invasion of Iraq and Blair certainly appreciated that.

    • @irmar
      @irmar Год назад +9

      @@AlvenmodFoto I heard Richard Dawkins say in an interview that "If you're offered to debate with Hitchens, just say no".

    • @Shovelglove545
      @Shovelglove545 Год назад +2

      @@jamesanthony5681he was openly capitalist so yeah that seems to add up lol

  • @mothlamp7720
    @mothlamp7720 4 года назад +107

    Tony Blair was just repeating the same argument over and over, never tackling the core issues raised by Hitchens.

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay 2 года назад +11

      is it because he's first and foremost, a politician ?

    • @jamesleon4883
      @jamesleon4883 Год назад +3

      @@MrDaiseymayI think he was a lawyer before that.

    • @Zion66666
      @Zion66666 Год назад +8

      Because he can’t. No one can effectively answer those questions with reason alone.

    • @nathobean8582
      @nathobean8582 Год назад +4

      The points are very easy to address, Mr Blair was just laughably underprepared. No idea why he’s debating Hitchens on a topic he knows little to nothing about, other than his ‘name’ gets bums on seats.

    • @martinklein4651
      @martinklein4651 Год назад

      My thoughts exactly.

  • @kascally
    @kascally Год назад +24

    Blair is a smooth talking snake oil fanatic. His tactic is to pick one positive aspect of his position and drum it home repeatedly. Notice he actually sidesteps the debate by ignoring Hitchens points and merely repeating his own mantra. That’s what he always did as a politician. It makes him seem like a calm, decent, benign individual when he’s really quite a nasty piece of work.

  • @TarredImage
    @TarredImage 9 месяцев назад +32

    Hitchens bypassing the customary "thank you for having me here" and going right to the offensive just makes me smile. This man cared only for the truth.

    • @norwegianblue2764
      @norwegianblue2764 8 месяцев назад

      The truth, as he saw it, sadly.

    • @mark-ish
      @mark-ish 8 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@norwegianblue2764the truth as supported by facts, whereas belief is supported by cult members.

    • @georgeconway4360
      @georgeconway4360 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@mark-ishTrue, the Nuns taught me as a boy that man was created by God in his image. I, as I age now know that God and Gods were created by man in the image of man.

  • @costinilie_
    @costinilie_ Год назад +48

    This is the debate equivalent of watching Muhammad Ali fighting me. Hitch was something else.

    • @Whatzzzz999
      @Whatzzzz999 Год назад +3

      Yes! Or Djokovic playing a match against my 11 year old.

  • @thiccboi5011
    @thiccboi5011 11 месяцев назад +51

    Christopher is strong ---- how wonderful that he gave this debate so much intelligence and energy despite being sick with cancer. Excellent points all around. Wonderful performance by both.

  • @inter-linked
    @inter-linked Год назад +62

    Like so many in this world, Blair needed religion for politics, ego and for greed.

    • @mick947
      @mick947 11 месяцев назад

      Like so many snake oil salesmen, they hide behind religion.

    • @markscreen5509
      @markscreen5509 10 месяцев назад

      And to cleanse the guilt within his soul

    • @SleepyPenguin-8og
      @SleepyPenguin-8og 4 месяца назад

      Sureee ​@@markscreen5509

  • @ginocastro5107
    @ginocastro5107 Год назад +113

    Impeccable Hitchens! His eloquence and knowledge on this subject is terribly missed! Tony Blair had no chance on this debate.

    • @B.A.Pilgrim
      @B.A.Pilgrim Год назад +3

      he had no knowledge on the subject, only poor clichés

    • @arwenpendragon4074
      @arwenpendragon4074 Год назад +6

      Blair was very poor here, said not one thing that made me view religion in a more positive light. Only there for his fee.

    • @rumple7551
      @rumple7551 Год назад +5

      With all the death and destruction blair inflicted on the world, there is no surprise he's "found" religion.

    • @sheilamacdougal4874
      @sheilamacdougal4874 Год назад +1

      And yet he won.

    • @robertcottam8824
      @robertcottam8824 Год назад +3

      @@sheilamacdougal4874
      Really? How did you score that?

  • @franciscolobo8919
    @franciscolobo8919 11 месяцев назад +52

    Im 32 years old, and Im just discovering Hitchens, sad to know he passed away almost 12 years ago, RIP.

    • @kathleendubois7128
      @kathleendubois7128 11 месяцев назад +8

      You are in for a great ride! The man is a legend for a reason. Enjoy going through the doors of knowledge that Christopher will open for you

    • @seventus
      @seventus 11 месяцев назад +4

      I hope you discover past Christopher Hitchens as well.

    • @paulwilliams5500
      @paulwilliams5500 11 месяцев назад +6

      I discovered him a few years ago as well (I’m 36 now), and brother, you are in for a RUclips rabbit hole of a lifetime. Enjoy every minute. He reads his book, “God is not Great” which is also on RUclips. I’m jealous of your first-time experiences with Mr. Hitchens, but happy you’ve arrived at the party!

    • @Leo-we7qu
      @Leo-we7qu 11 месяцев назад +4

      I discovered him about a year or so ago and I’ve certainly had a different outlook upon discovering . I truly hope his message and ethos spreads and stands the test of time.

    • @franciscolobo8919
      @franciscolobo8919 11 месяцев назад

      @@paulwilliams5500 Id like to read his book too, its hard to get where I come from (Honduras), but ill try to look for it on RUclips, thanks Man.

  • @LayLoow
    @LayLoow Год назад +46

    Hitchen debating a war criminal 😂

    • @gregcugola779
      @gregcugola779 11 месяцев назад +2

      Such hypocrisy.

    • @hasan_z
      @hasan_z 11 месяцев назад +3

      I was thinking the same . But even the devil believes in God

    • @DepakoteMeister
      @DepakoteMeister 11 месяцев назад

      @@hasan_z What devil? What god? They are both beliefs.

    • @hasan_z
      @hasan_z 11 месяцев назад

      @@DepakoteMeister yes but beliefs are a factor in determining the truth. There is a game in which a contestant is told increasingly ridiculous statements and has to guess whether they are true or false. The trick is the more "believable" stuff is generally made-up and the craziest ones are often real. Now based on the knowledge you can get from various sources it's up to you to decide what you *think* is true. A person who says God is real isn't lying because they actually believe that.

    • @DepakoteMeister
      @DepakoteMeister 11 месяцев назад

      @@hasan_z Beliefs are not a factor in determining truth, facts are. And no one suggested believers are lying. We humans are so easily fooled, and none of us are exempt. Some of us are less easily fooled. The biggest difference between believers and non-believers is that non-believers don't claim to have all the answers and are willing to alter their views to fit with new evidence as required.

  • @isaacazad8055
    @isaacazad8055 5 лет назад +36

    Comparing the way these guys speak, one could even feel, in some strange way, that they are using two different languages with two distinct sets of words and phrases. Hitchens was a linguistic phenomenon, wasn't he?

  • @FactStorm
    @FactStorm 3 года назад +23

    We all know Hitchens outwitted Blair rather seamlessly..this is an obvious. There's no match..nobody can argue for religion and win anyhow.

  • @ExSkitzophrenic
    @ExSkitzophrenic 10 лет назад +136

    Mr Hitchens your elliquence and intellect were brilliant and shall be missed.

    • @RadagonTheRed
      @RadagonTheRed 7 лет назад +2

      *eloquence, but petty corrections aside, he is indeed missed.

    • @ExSkitzophrenic
      @ExSkitzophrenic 7 лет назад +4

      The Beast Bloody hell, i was 15 when I wrote that. seems a life time. Dearest Hitch though, miss him more everyday.

    • @yourdad587
      @yourdad587 3 года назад +1

      @@ExSkitzophrenic I bet you’re missing him the most right now.

    • @furer-orban
      @furer-orban Год назад

      @@ExSkitzophrenic how old are you?

    • @davepowell7168
      @davepowell7168 Год назад

      WMDS in lraq?
      Established twonk

  • @monsterMike62
    @monsterMike62 4 года назад +64

    Christopher Hitchens. What a beautiful and brilliant mind.

  • @JonGUK
    @JonGUK 2 года назад +170

    Christopher Hitchens is greatly missed.

    • @bobgarrett7134
      @bobgarrett7134 Год назад +1

      @JonGUK ... I don't miss him.

    • @davepowell7168
      @davepowell7168 Год назад +1

      He was an established fearmonger. WMDS in lraq?

    • @bobgarrett7134
      @bobgarrett7134 Год назад +3

      @@davepowell7168 True. Hitch ran his mouth endlessly without knowing what he was talking about. A professional rabble rouser like Trump -- just on the other extreme.

    • @arthurstevens4351
      @arthurstevens4351 Год назад +1

      Mr. powell, I think you are naive!

    • @bobgarrett7134
      @bobgarrett7134 Год назад

      @@arthurstevens4351 No weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. No reason for fear or war. Now we need that money -- and what we provoked is Al Quaeda

  • @RadagonTheRed
    @RadagonTheRed 7 лет назад +203

    *"Created sick and ordered to be well."* - Wow, that really hit home with me. So right.

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay 2 года назад +2

      thats not the half of it

    • @bobgarrett7134
      @bobgarrett7134 Год назад +2

      @BarryDong... Created superior to 8.5 million other species on Earth and created the rulers of this planet... Created with gifts, talents, nobility, and in the image and likeness of God... Not only that -- but God died for the sins of humankind so that we may have eternal happiness in Heaven. Such things are fairly generous for a Celestial Dictator.

    • @RadagonTheRed
      @RadagonTheRed Год назад +3

      @@bobgarrett7134 You're absolutely right. When I posted that comment I had lost my faith, but I have since found it again.

    • @bobgarrett7134
      @bobgarrett7134 Год назад +1

      @@RadagonTheRed If that were only true, you'd be one of many atheists who've seen the light.
      Raised in a militant atheist family, Sy Garte became a respected research biochemist with an anti-theistic worldview-and he had no intention of seeking a God he didn’t believe in. That is, until the very science he loved led him to question the validity of an atheistic worldview. These questions led him to wonder about the true nature of the world, and eventually the Holy Spirit guided him to a belief in God, and in Jesus Christ …. Alister McGrath, a historian and biochemist scientist who believed in evolution. A professor of science, he became a Christian apologist …. Francis Collins is an American physician-geneticist and atheist who discovered gene diseases and led the Human Genome Project. He investigated many faiths, and though he resisted, the evidence was clear. He converted to Roman Catholicism …. John Gurdon, a developmental biologist is known for his research in nuclear transplantation and cloning. He’s a Nobel prize winner in Physiology Medicine. He converted from agnosticism to Christianity …. John Eccles, a neurophysiologist and a Nobel Prize winner in Physiology Medicine was an atheist who converted to Christianity …. Rosalind Picard was raised as an atheist and converted as a young adult. She is a scholar and inventor who founded MIT’s Affective Computing Research Group. She has received the highest professional honors accorded for engineering skills. She converted to Christianity …. Famed astronomer, Allan Sandage, was an atheist who converted to Christianity, stating, "I could not live a life full of cynicism. I chose to believe, and a peace of mind came over me” …. Blaise Pascal was raised in a secular environment and contributed to scientific advancements in mathematics, mechanical engineering, physics, fluid dynamics and probability theory. He proposed the probabilistic argument God known as Pascal's wager, to justify belief in God and a virtuous life.
      Not only scientists but highly educated people in general become Christians: …. Gilbert West was an eminent English poet who studied at Oxford. He tried to debunk the resurrection of Jesus but could not. He became a Christian and wrote the book ‘Observations on the History and Evidence of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ …. Simon Greenleaf, a chief founder of Harvard Law School, referred to Christianity as a silly myth. After being challenged by students based on historical evidence, over several decades, he became a believer in Jesus Christ and Christianity .… Albert Henry Ross an Englishman lawyer and journalist. He criticized the Bible and believed in Darwin. He wrote a book to disprove the resurrection of Jesus. Instead, he became a Christian …. Anthony Flew was a famous spokesperson of atheism before Dawkins and Hitchens. The world was shocked when he suddenly admitted God exists in 2004 and wrote a book about it. He based it on scientific, empirical, and philosophical evidence. If you’re an objective thinker who pursues objective truth obsessively, and in a rational way, eventually you’ll become a Christian …. Devout Muslim Intellect Nabeel Qureshi investigated Christianity for 15 years trying to disprove it in favor of Islam. Although he had believed firmly in the God of Islam for decades, after examining the evidence he uncovered, he decided to leave Islam for Jesus Christ and Christianit …. Lee Strobel is an investigative journalist. He was an atheist and tried to prove the Bible was not valid. The evidence he acquired changed his mind, and he became a Christian …. Jordan Peterson, an astute and rational intellectual and world-famous philosopher. He said the Bible has proven to be more durable than stone or an empire, and it’s a life-changing academic and historical text. He credits it with his conversion to Christianity.

    • @johnferry7778
      @johnferry7778 Год назад

      @@bobgarrett7134There is no such thing as sin, just human stupidity and cruelty.

  • @Whatzzzz999
    @Whatzzzz999 Год назад +12

    Tony Blair: the perfect politician, fudging, grandstanding, spraying sound-bites, slight-of-hand; did he even write his script I wonder. Maybe.
    Christopher Hitchens: a surgeon with a scalpel, meticulously holding entrenched beliefs up to scrutiny, one after the other.
    And they all come up short.
    'We don't need divine permission to know right from wrong'.
    'Created sick and ordered to be well.' (What a concept!)
    We need another Christopher Hitchens. Desperately.

  • @jonhaslam3699
    @jonhaslam3699 11 месяцев назад +5

    If Blair said “Good Morning” to me I’d have to check my watch.

  • @sashlipinski7034
    @sashlipinski7034 Год назад +37

    Awww, Hitch. I could listen to you for days on end. You will NEVER be forgotten.

    • @steffanhoffmann
      @steffanhoffmann Год назад

      Who is he?

    • @mark-ish
      @mark-ish 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@steffanhoffmanndon't be lazy, google is your friend

  • @RobertMalasha
    @RobertMalasha Год назад +18

    What a debate ! 🔥
    Christopher Hitchens was great thinker and most resolved mind. Prime Minister Tony Blair as always very eloquent and calculated in his submissions. Such clarity and resolved minds.
    Christopher Hitchens could easily have been a peer to the great Greek philosopher, Socrates, had they lived in the same time space. What a beautiful mind and great thinker and debater he was.
    This world needs more critical thinkers like Christopher Hitchens.
    Love from Zambia ❤🇿🇲🔥

  • @ZhangK71
    @ZhangK71 2 года назад +64

    Blair: “People of faith can accomplish good things sometimes!”
    Hitchens: “Point taken. But religion is still not a force of good in the world and here’s why.”
    Blair: “But people of faith can accomplish good things sometimes!”
    Rinse and repeat. Except one of the two is going to come up with new material and the other isn’t. Anyone with a shred of honesty and a sufficient number of brain cells can tell which is which.

  • @leokearley4145
    @leokearley4145 Год назад +56

    A fascinating debate between a man with a new belief and a man with common sense.

    • @TheYuvimon
      @TheYuvimon 10 месяцев назад

      Catholicism isn't exactly new.
      Unless of course you are referring to Hitchen, which would be strange since he isn't defending claim, much less a belief, here.
      Also, have you ever noticed how people, who don't have any good arguments, appeal to "common sense" rather than make their case for their actual beliefs?

    • @realcapitalist1462
      @realcapitalist1462 10 месяцев назад +1

      A man with UNcommon sense! I've watched many Hitchens debates. I believe this was his finest! However, Blair was pretty good also in his opening remarks. Were I part company is in the idea that good things can only be spawned by a belief in something unbelievable. If co-operation theory replaced religious instruction in primary and secondary school then surely the world would be a better place.

    • @realcapitalist1462
      @realcapitalist1462 10 месяцев назад

      @@TheYuvimon I'll repeat and correct a typo!
      A man with UNcommon sense! I've watched many Hitchens debates. I believe this was his finest! However, Blair was pretty good also in his opening remarks. Where I part company is in the idea that good things can only be spawned by a belief in something unbelievable. If co-operation theory replaced religious instruction in primary and secondary school then surely the world would be a better place.

  • @theoratorjs
    @theoratorjs 11 месяцев назад +7

    Love for Hitchens from Freetown Sierra Leone. I learned a lot about how to think from Hitchens that I did from the classroom. How I miss his brilliance 💔

  • @no-oneman.4140
    @no-oneman.4140 11 месяцев назад +12

    15th December 2011 - the day the world became a dumber place. I often wonder if Christopher's family read these comments to see how much he will always be loved and missed in equal measure.

    • @mike_burke
      @mike_burke 9 месяцев назад +1

      I very much doubt it, but it’s a nice thought.

  • @thisisanfield7085
    @thisisanfield7085 Год назад +28

    I find it incredible that Tony ‘Blood on his hands” Blair can talk about ‘ Accomplishing good things. ‘…
    Despicable man

    • @elainekerslake6865
      @elainekerslake6865 Год назад +2

      Both have short term memory when hearing the body count.....and the result of millions of displaced refugee's.

    • @markraffety3471
      @markraffety3471 Год назад

      Yep. A hideous hypocritical empty vessel of a human

  • @BlackCatBelzebub
    @BlackCatBelzebub 6 лет назад +30

    Hitchens , gone too soon.

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay 2 года назад +2

      There will be those, of course, who will claim, that it was Gods Will.

    • @unit0033
      @unit0033 Год назад

      @@MrDaiseymay about as credible as claiming it was spidermans will

  • @dorianphilotheates3769
    @dorianphilotheates3769 11 месяцев назад +5

    I was in Toronto at the time, but managed to miss this Munk debate. I’m now viewing it from Delphi, Greece. Thanks for the upload. Brilliant!

  • @bigjim1327
    @bigjim1327 2 года назад +16

    Blair brought a knife to a gunfight. RIP Hitch.

    • @wernerstapela4616
      @wernerstapela4616 Год назад +1

      In defence of Blair, I've seen few people debating Hitchens with an adequate arsenal of weapons. He simply was that well armed, and indeed, RIP.

    • @AndrewHindley
      @AndrewHindley Год назад

      But the bullets were blank.

    • @wernerstapela4616
      @wernerstapela4616 Год назад

      @@AndrewHindley Sorry, that went straight over my head.........

    • @AndrewHindley
      @AndrewHindley 10 месяцев назад

      There were no bullets on the gun though

  • @dhx84
    @dhx84 13 лет назад +24

    I suspect Blair has a condition known as "Married Into Wife's Church."
    It happens to a lot of people.

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay 2 года назад +3

      I won't accept ANY excuse for his evil

  • @tricky.pixels
    @tricky.pixels 11 месяцев назад +7

    In this bizarre World we live in Christopher Hitchens is not only wanted but he is needed and missed hugely.

    • @ohrenishii88
      @ohrenishii88 8 месяцев назад

      Grow up 😂 he was a bitter and confused man and the world doesn’t need people preaching Jesus didn’t exist

  • @IgshaanBarnes-pk5uo
    @IgshaanBarnes-pk5uo Год назад +29

    I'm not an atheist, I'm moslem and plan to stay that way, Yet I can't help but agree with almost everything MrHitchens said.Religion is sepose to be a force for good yet it almost never is.

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 Год назад +4

      Our world would be a far more peaceful place without religion. Islam included.

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 Год назад

      The Middle East was a relatively peaceful place until Islam was created.

    • @seanreeder5784
      @seanreeder5784 11 месяцев назад +1

      Best way to become an atheist is to read the religious texts critically. Take the Christian bible. I can name 3 stories where children died as a direct result of the god from that book.
      1- Noah’s Ark - when god flooded the Earth to wipe out all of mankind except for Noah’s family and some animals, it wasn’t just adults he was killing.
      2- the tenth plague of Egypt - firstborn sons. He could have just killed the Pharaoh and his men, but decided this was more appropriate! Eventually killed them by closing the parted seas on them anyway, meaning the firstborns died for nothing!
      3- the story of Job (pronounced Jobe) - Job’s children died in this story out of God’s pure ego to win a bet with the devil that Job would still love him after losing everything. This story is messed up and the most awful reason for any child to die!
      I challenge you now to read the Quran cover to cover with a critical mind. I guarantee you’ll find flaws. Not because it’s written by god, but it’s most certainly and obviously written by man. Once you’ve read through it, drop me a line with your thoughts and most troubling verse that makes you think maybe it’s not the best thing to write in the religious text?

    • @pathughes8902
      @pathughes8902 11 месяцев назад

      @@allstarwatt7246 Especially Islam

    • @juanhunglow2220
      @juanhunglow2220 11 месяцев назад +1

      You are not a Muslim

  • @michelacampaner6192
    @michelacampaner6192 Год назад +10

    The seriousness and rigidity of the people on Blair's side says it all 😀

  • @KaonNeutre
    @KaonNeutre 13 лет назад +7

    Christopher Hitchens is a GIANT. I hope society will get on his shoulder so we could see farther.

  • @CelticKiwi55
    @CelticKiwi55 Год назад +18

    Whatever your view - great to see and hear a proper debate with people respecting the others view and allowing their voice to be heard without hatred and constant interruption. Both speakers did a great job. Hitchens was a superb speaker and is sorely missed.

    • @suzannerachel6152
      @suzannerachel6152 Год назад +2

      That is a lovely way to put this and so true. If only the world was this way

    • @seanreeder5784
      @seanreeder5784 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah this is very rare these days! You watch Hitchens vs a load of Americans, there will be shouting, interrupting, etc! Watch anything with Piers Morgan, I don’t think a single one of his guests can get a word in!
      I’ve never really liked Tony Blair, but gained a little respect for him in this as he gave a lot of respect. Hitchens for the win though!

    • @suzannerachel6152
      @suzannerachel6152 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@seanreeder5784 your right about Morgan. He doesn't let anyone get a word in unless he agrees with them. I also think he has some infatuation with Meagan and harry! I think Tony Blair was brave having a debate with Christopher.

  • @paulwilliamson9958
    @paulwilliamson9958 Год назад +50

    Some of Christopher's finest moments here, thanks mate. I never tire of the truth, the real one and only truth, organised God fearing religion is the source of all evil.

    • @petermills542
      @petermills542 10 месяцев назад

      Religion is the source of 'all ' evil ?!
      That's very obviously not true !!
      (I'm atheist btw)

    • @Bobobhehe
      @Bobobhehe 10 месяцев назад +1

      hilarious irony

    • @norwegianblue2764
      @norwegianblue2764 8 месяцев назад

      I'm sorry you feel that way, and God loves you in spite of it.

  • @passivemotion
    @passivemotion 12 лет назад +66

    FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. Religion isn't needed to learn morals. Thank you Hitchens. RIP

    • @dushyantchaudhry4654
      @dushyantchaudhry4654 Год назад +2

      Exactly.. why would the religious politician feel that faith in a god is needed in order to do charity?

    • @irmar
      @irmar Год назад +3

      "Finally"? It's been said and believed by thinkers since very ancient times. Please see the Wikipedia articles named "Secular morality" and "Secular humanism" and you will find many examples. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

    • @philflip1963
      @philflip1963 Год назад

      So, how come the secular conclusion is; 'Human Rights is Nonsense upon stilts'?

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 Год назад

      @@philflip1963 you are just making an unsubstantiated generalization.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 месяцев назад

      Tony blair couldn't spell the word MORALS.

  • @ronwhitehouse23
    @ronwhitehouse23 11 месяцев назад +10

    We miss you Christopher Hitchens. RIP.

  • @mazdakmorati2297
    @mazdakmorati2297 Год назад +17

    Those who kept clapping for Blair’s charity claims, are the same ones who are mesmerized & fooled by con men like Jimmy Swaggart & Kenneth Copelands of the world !

    • @toAdmiller
      @toAdmiller Год назад +3

      In the full length vid, Blair's ENTIRE argument was, "Sure, religion has destroyed BILLIONS of lives...but some believers also do charity....!"
      Stephen Fry did a wonderful send-up of this pathetic "argument/excuse" in his and Hitch''s debate against the catholic church:
      The accused speaks at his trial, "Why do you keep bringing up my crimes...? You never bring up the fact that I always give my father a birthday present...!"

  • @shaisegall3832
    @shaisegall3832 3 года назад +52

    Dated as it is now I think I will come back to this for years to come. In my opinion Hitchens was superior but Blair represented his position well. Each orator was defending the dignity and humanity of their side; Hitchens on the ability of humankind to overcome the shackles of intellectual servitude and "stand at our full height" and Blair defended the good of the inspired to advance the world by sincere love through true faith. The debate will stand for me as a testament to the power of a well reasoned debate- i.e. raising our intellect by the contemplation of different points of view in pursuit of a higher goal, sorely lacking in the present day USA.
    Thank you Munk family for using your prosperity to give the world this gift.

    • @pauloneill2474
      @pauloneill2474 11 месяцев назад

      Hitchens Never murdered millions of innocent Human Civilians, you mug.

    • @murraycharters6102
      @murraycharters6102 8 месяцев назад

      @sheisegall3832. I intended to make an informed comment after watching this amazing debate. After reading your reply, I believed that you have eloquently stated what I would have wished to have said. Well done.

    • @mark-ish
      @mark-ish 8 месяцев назад

      6:00 definitely not dated

  • @robertcook4705
    @robertcook4705 11 месяцев назад +5

    Listening to Hitchens' singing intellect, besides whom Blair is just muddling along, brought tears to my eyes.

  • @yomilalgro
    @yomilalgro 4 года назад +16

    My beautiful Hitch, although it breaks my heart 💞, I will never stop watching and learning from my mentor. I so miss Hitch😂 but I thank him for his brilliant mind.
    #IgotHiTcHEd

    • @Adipsia1
      @Adipsia1 Год назад

      I admire his left-brained capacity for getting his message across to try and win an argument at all costs; I think it's a shame that he never tried to forge a link between his head and heart.

  • @robertblakeman9978
    @robertblakeman9978 2 года назад +9

    The War Criminal (Hiding behind the Pope's filthy robes) Vs The Intellectual Warrior!

    • @Phil_Mitchell
      @Phil_Mitchell 2 года назад

      The intellectual warrior was on Blair's side when it comes to the Iraq War.

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 Год назад

      @@Phil_Mitchell America, with the help of Britain, invaded Iraq to steal their oil.

  • @bench7434
    @bench7434 Год назад +68

    Particularly in those times of religious delirium all over the world, we missed him so much.

    • @mikesmith8313
      @mikesmith8313 11 месяцев назад

      What do you need hitchens for, to cushion the religious rift as a fart cushion?😂

    • @jonharrison9222
      @jonharrison9222 9 месяцев назад

      @@mikesmith8313
      To continue slapping down religious freaks with delusions of importance.

  • @votemonty1815
    @votemonty1815 3 года назад +30

    Admit it, you skipped the Blair bit as well.

    • @poonoi1968
      @poonoi1968 Год назад +5

      Used the time to read comments 😂

    • @lukedennis7681
      @lukedennis7681 Год назад +2

      Correct

    • @Adipsia1
      @Adipsia1 Год назад

      I skipped most of Hitchen's responses.

  • @thechocablockman
    @thechocablockman Год назад +14

    Listening to Blairs opening gambit I could pin point exactly what Christopher was going to pull apart and of course he did. The world needs a Christopher Hitchens now.

    • @aaroningl
      @aaroningl Год назад

      Apparently not, as we have you.

    • @jrmungandr
      @jrmungandr 10 месяцев назад

      I agree with the previous commenter; “stop talking about what a good man should be; be a good man “

  • @madera700
    @madera700 Год назад +7

    Rest in peace, Mr. Hitchens!

  • @jep1912
    @jep1912 9 месяцев назад +2

    The only reason Blair converted was because, as catholicism says "you can commit any crime or any sin you like, as long as you say sorry before the church." People never forget and you will never be absolved Blair.

  • @sphinxtheeminx
    @sphinxtheeminx 11 месяцев назад +4

    The fascinating story is how Blair went from being the New Messiah to the Devil Incarnate in a few short years. To be fair, he put in the spadework to ruin his legacy. How Hitch towers over him - intellectually and morally.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 месяцев назад +1

      Ever heard the saying "wolf in sheep clothing". Blair is evil to the core.

  • @aliumscallion2912
    @aliumscallion2912 Год назад +29

    Thank you Christopher Hitchens for doing what you did.
    Tony Blair really is some sort of Gollum.... perhaps consumed internally by the enormity of his own crimes... during his premiership, he took precisely the role of the clerics/arbiters of divine will that Hitchens so well describes...denial is a powerful thing.
    He's so desperate to believe in something... perhaps the alternative leaves him unable to accept the enormity of his own actions..... a tragic figure indeed.

  • @markdrouin8094
    @markdrouin8094 Год назад +4

    Blair came prepared and delivered well, but hitchens on another level.

  • @phoenixbrew
    @phoenixbrew 13 лет назад +9

    The great Mr. Hitchens!!!!

  • @ZER0--
    @ZER0-- Год назад +3

    All I kept thinking was Blair is a war criminal. I also wonder if he is a genuine believer.

    • @dsgtms
      @dsgtms 5 месяцев назад

      Blair = phony

  • @gorganloe
    @gorganloe 12 лет назад +10

    RIP Christopher :(

  • @lordbesty9316
    @lordbesty9316 9 месяцев назад +2

    Jesus Christ I miss Christopher Hitchens

  • @barryseddon7264
    @barryseddon7264 Год назад +1

    The only reason I can think of why Blair would agree to debate Hitchens is he must have misread the invitation and was expecting Peter.

  • @MaalaeaBanyans103
    @MaalaeaBanyans103 Год назад +9

    I can't help but think every person who debates Hitchens knows they're not only beaten but that he's right. They are just too scared of the dictator in the sky.

    • @30mattdavies
      @30mattdavies 11 месяцев назад

      If you believe in no god, how do you believe the universe started?

  • @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers
    @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers 13 лет назад +12

    Hitchens is on fire :D very true and inspiring words

    • @Adipsia1
      @Adipsia1 Год назад

      Inspiring ? As in 'in spirit' ? That goes against everything that Hitchens stood for.

    • @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers
      @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers Год назад

      @@Adipsia1 Word games aside, I don't ascribe to his theological views at all.

  • @alastairwinner
    @alastairwinner 9 месяцев назад +2

    Looking at this now Hitch was so right about the issues in Palestine and Israel and the threat of a Muslim nuclear power.

  • @samibabar
    @samibabar 5 месяцев назад +1

    Wow Hitchens in his later stages was a beast of another kind, leaving no stones unturned and giving no breathing space to stupidity of ignorance.

  • @persistincepays3704
    @persistincepays3704 Год назад +18

    Hitchens..Thoughtful,provocative, meaningful and researched and then we had Blair..

    • @davepowell7168
      @davepowell7168 Год назад

      'Considered rightly a Great Christian thinker '
      Christopher Hitchens
      CH burbled about lraq WMDS after invasion. Both twonks

    • @aaroningl
      @aaroningl Год назад +1

      ...as well as upper middle class and has never wanted for anything.

  • @infinightsky
    @infinightsky 12 лет назад +3

    5000 years ago people understood, what they "thought" was right or wrong. As for my neigbour: I speak with him every day.

  • @frankhoffman3566
    @frankhoffman3566 Год назад +1

    I come back to this debate regularly. I find both arguments compelling. I leave it thinking about the issues presented.

    • @rnw2739
      @rnw2739 11 месяцев назад

      You find Blairs 'argument' compelling? His argument is simply that religion and religious organisations carry out some charity work these days so let's forget the untold millions killed by every type of faith across the world...

  • @AtamMardes
    @AtamMardes 8 месяцев назад

    "Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
    Voltaire

  • @jocktigernuts680
    @jocktigernuts680 11 месяцев назад +3

    Blair had less chance of convincing us as did the Queens so called favourite son during the laughable yet shocking Panorama interview😂

  • @Mexicanadiense79
    @Mexicanadiense79 11 лет назад +8

    Excellent comment. Blair's examples were indeed facile, but easy to understand: typical politico speak to an audience desperate to feel itself intelligent.

  • @Seekingsophia00
    @Seekingsophia00 10 месяцев назад +2

    6:00 onwards. Still relevant as of today - and will for centuries to come.

  • @m.6292
    @m.6292 7 месяцев назад

    Thanx so much for this, I did not know about it. As soon as I read the title, I thot "Tony, you in danger gurl". hahaha. The Hitch Ruled the Stage, as per usual.

  • @leebasham1107
    @leebasham1107 Год назад +8

    It's interesting that Atheists don't have to keep revising their views and apologising for past misdeeds which is exactly what religions do all the time.
    Being good because you're good, rather than being good because you're afraid of being caught and /or punished is much better.
    It is sad that Christopher is no longer with us, but his legacy will live on.

  • @fullup91
    @fullup91 6 лет назад +24

    Tony Blair: " *Quack, quackity, quack* " ...

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay 2 года назад

      yep, the only thing missing, was his Soap Box.

    • @dsgtms
      @dsgtms 5 месяцев назад

      Hee haw word salad of paternalistic patronizing platitudes. Clanking cymbal symphony.

  • @willmpet
    @willmpet 11 месяцев назад +1

    My experience was extremely negative! I was attacked by a larger man within a block of my home. I said, “I don’t have any money!” I was answered with, “ I’m not after your money!” As he whispered sweet nothings into my ear I said, “t 27:29his is no way to go about it!” and thankfully he did. My Methodist minister blamed ME for being attacked! Hence, I left that church-forever!

  • @johnrhodes2367
    @johnrhodes2367 Год назад +1

    The title should actually be “Hitchens hands him his ass back to Blair, and wipe the floor with him”

  • @Pablo113
    @Pablo113 Год назад +3

    Funny, BOTH were wrong on IRAQ!

    • @Whatzzzz999
      @Whatzzzz999 Год назад

      Yep. But Blair much more so I think.
      Hitchen's stance in Iraq was wrong imo, but it was his only serious mistake. And then only an opinion... not an invasion.

  • @bigsimmo
    @bigsimmo 12 лет назад +3

    They're so modest in their presence.

  • @mikeb7379
    @mikeb7379 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wow. I saw the title and thought, "Wait THE Tony Blair? What on earth does he think he is? Taking the Hitch?" Just goes to show the hubris of this politician.

  • @alembess9129
    @alembess9129 9 месяцев назад

    I haven't clicked the play button yet. I'm here to discover what the heck Tony Blair is doing debating Christopher Hitchens about God.

  • @paulfrancis2476
    @paulfrancis2476 10 месяцев назад +3

    Christopher was a great thinker, very much missed

  • @ElCID40000
    @ElCID40000 13 лет назад +3

    Atheism is not a religion by any stretch of the imagination, it is the absence of religion and the acceptance of reality.
    Ignorance is a gift to realists as it makes the wise strive for knowledge.
    Religious faith teaches people to be satisfied with ignorance, because religious faith requires the suspension of reasoned thought.

  • @Timrath
    @Timrath Год назад +2

    Summary: Some religious people are bad; some religious people are good; some atheist people are bad; some atheist people are good.
    Someone should objectively quantify how much good and how much evil religion did. Lives taken vs lives saved. Wealth generated vs wealth destroyed. Knowledge produced vs knowledge suppressed. It would be a lot of work, to be sure, but it might be possible.

  • @golach420
    @golach420 11 месяцев назад +1

    If there is a Hell, Blair has an express ticket. WMDs?!

  • @Multimorten
    @Multimorten 13 лет назад +5

    damnit Christopher, get well, we need you too damn much, now more than ever

  • @Adipsia1
    @Adipsia1 Год назад +3

    A debate between the head and the heart.

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 Год назад

      logic vs delusion

    • @Adipsia1
      @Adipsia1 Год назад

      @@allstarwatt7246 30 years ago that would have been my stance too. Time has clearly made me more delusional. Good luck with the logic.:)

  • @andrelloyd4010
    @andrelloyd4010 9 месяцев назад +1

    A wonderfully stimulating debate !

  • @user-cd7fn4bo7s
    @user-cd7fn4bo7s 8 месяцев назад +3

    Blair is a candle to Hitch's Sun.

  • @jg11596
    @jg11596 5 лет назад +2

    Mr Blair does not argue the existence of God, but rather he argues that organized religion does more good in the world than bad. Mr Hitchens (RIP) argues there is not God and rather than follow organized religions based on the existence of a "God", use logic, science, and common sense to live our lives.

    • @Kevynuk
      @Kevynuk 10 месяцев назад

      Mr Blair was addressing the motion that "Religion is a force for good" Mr Hitchens was simply mocking religion.

  • @neilforbes416
    @neilforbes416 Год назад +2

    In this debate, Blair was on a hiding to nothing. Hitch was the *clear winner* here.

  • @riaagarwal6840
    @riaagarwal6840 Год назад +13

    One terribly immoral and a war criminal without a conscience and the other an outstanding Human with great compassion and sharp wit.

  • @marcborley3574
    @marcborley3574 Год назад +5

    If there was a god, tony blair would be dead😂

  • @hushsky
    @hushsky 11 месяцев назад +2

    Ah the irony of the war criminal Blair preaching religion

  • @bikelawman
    @bikelawman Год назад +1

    Christopher Hitchens handed this world leader his head on a plate and Mr Blair just thanked him for it, in the end.

  • @majajackson777
    @majajackson777 Год назад +7

    It's such a pity that Hitchens is no longer with us. I miss his eloquence. 🙁

  • @Hyfun7
    @Hyfun7 3 года назад +4

    Blair brought a god to a knife fight with Hitch...

  • @axelbruv
    @axelbruv Год назад +1

    Why were the audience laughing?

  • @davidlamb7524
    @davidlamb7524 10 месяцев назад +1

    If they were talking about the invasion and destruction of Iraq they'd be in agreement !