The Critical Choice After The Initial Knife Defense...
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2022
- You executed initial knife defense. You did good or you got lucky. This self defense video covers the threats you now face. Hold on tight, let's get into it! Watch until the very end for answer and conclusions. Let's talk about it in the comments below.
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Love, Love, Love this! love the pressure testing, analyzing the techniques, figuring out what works what doesn't work. this is what makes us great martial artists and defenders in general. i've recently done some knife defense testing with a training partner of mine and what i've realized is. no matter what position you are in (specifically inside or outside for this scenario) if you do not prolong the neutral position you will always have the advantage. my wrestling coach always says "your tie or no tie" so if you're at a standstill but pressure is equal and you are not in the dominant position, transition to something else. the main thing is to keep it flowing until you're able to get into an advantageous position. like GN said, if you give your opponent time to think he's more likely to come up with a counter. heres what i've found that works.
Inside position: headbutts and leg sweeps and knees to the groin worked quite well due to the fact that they were still effective techniques you could execute while maintaining control of the weapon bearing limb with both hands.
Outside position: off hand weapon draws and low line attacks (oblique kicks and knee stomps) and also knees to the body. pinning the hand to your hip allowed enough pressure to where the limb could be controlled with one hand and your off hand was free to manipulate other things.
keep up the good work gentlemen!!
Good comments
The nature of the attack, size, strength, movement of the attacker, space, etc. all can affect where you end up. One inside option would be to split the grip with the same side hand controlling the attacking hand, and the other controlling the inside elbow, which can provide better control and a better chance to pass the arm and go to the outside. With the two-handed grab, you could possibly turn inside and sweep the leg. The video was a great analysis of options. Agreed always if possible to stay on what we call the cold side (outside) for control.
100%. That's what I enjoy isolating and looking at things like this. It give me a chance to feel and think then test repeat. Great points man so important.
When you reach through and grab the other elbow…two hands are occupied. Outside is preferred.
that is very realistic…..good work…
Sparring with inside line: in most cases we can see, the knife moves into the other hand.
our possible options:
- move as fast as possible into the arm bar, or
- knee into side of leg and hip - use the movement and take opponents chin and rotate head over his back down to floor, hold knife arm, work forward…..
Very good! 👍 I always transition from inside line to outside line to a arm clinch utilizing zero pressure Principle or with the arm Swing Option to arm clinch. also hyper extending attackers elbow joint violently. Outside line also gives me the option to disengage to transition to my firearm.
Seems like a lot of folks feel the same way. Outside line preference.
Yeah, turn your body and let the attacker run with a brocken arm. When i stay inside i like to twist the arm to the outside while going under the arm. When the arm streches i have a lever, when the attacker is stronger, i use his momentum to stab his own kidney (similar Kimura-standin position)
First excellent discussion- glad to see they are going slowly so viewers can understand what the-inside or outside depends on the attack and how one responds.I have never been in actual blade attack only training defenses and offense.With a blade moving at speed i would say trying to grab the knife holding wrist is asking for trouble.Ari of Don,t be a victim..
I really enjoy this kind of videos with the cool atmosphere that allows to share different points of views. No definitive answer, just training, testing and experiencing. In my short experience teaching, beginners tend to feel more confident with control to the inside and kind of lost when end up on the outside.
great work!
Well done all, the boudoir sessions are happening all over the world, together through open and honest conversations and training martial arts are evolving, thankyou for sharing and inspiring us all to train hard and smart
Love these discussions. Thank you sirs
This is whybi follow you right here , this is great stuff
Thx, eye opener
I think you guys are doing knife defense the right way - by actually trying within the context of struggle. It's good to also do the same with overhead and slashing type of attacks.
REAL knife defense like most street fights eventually becomes a struggle and mostly a struggle for possession & control of the weapon. This fact has to be accepted and prepared for above all else.
When you are on the inside and you are physically stronger, this may be a better position for lawenforcement. Because i still have the feeling that your control over the weapon hand is a little bit stronger and that may be just the time you need for other guys to arrive and help you, so you don't need to make a switch. On the other hand, if you weigh less than your attacker you will more likely to be dominated. Like kneeing the knife in, like you did demonstrate once is super easy for your opponent if he is like 20 kg bigger than you.
The problem here is that the attackers are not using the knife like trained knife people. Having said that, outside or arm extension to the side. From the center you will not be able to control the knife hand.
Excellent discussion. And how much of the "preferences" would change if it's 1 vs 2-3? What about other environment variables, especially open vs tight space?
more questions, more work, leads to better chances of survival.
Also who says he has only one knife?
A big question that i see hardly if ever adressed is: Do you wear protective clothing and what changes if you do.
Try tussling over weapons in narrow spaces
Where in Canada are you guys?
Thanks, gn for showing a realistic action,not a preset kata that will get you killed in the streets,
Outside your fine. Instead your mine.
one factor not explored is once the two on one outside position is gained the first priority should be a massive hyperextension of the offending limb or some form of limb destruction. I get that you do not want to hurt your training partners, but this is something that can be added to the mix.
The concept of "doing something from here" is covered in the video both in the discussion and onscreen text.
100% we really emphasize this in actual training sessions, use that to get them to move trip and takedown as well. Great point added.
As someone who wrestles almost exclusively from the outside position (russian or the cloth equivalent), actual breaking pressure is more steps than just having the two on one, and typically would involve some sort of unforced error on my opponent's part.
@@selfcritical good point. i don't have a lot of experience breaking or tearing apart people's limbs and joints because that kind of proficiency comes from actually doing. when we are training with other people and concerned for their safety we cannot exert the necessary force required in training and thus the result will be that the practitioner is unable to perform the necessary function under duress. the closest I have gotten is breaking the legs on a Deer during hunting season, so knowing what that feels like I can agree the hyperextension or break is a hard maneuver or technique to execute without the repetition of actual training or practical application of the knowledge.
thanks for the input.
dear trachers is a hip throught to dangerous??
Karl tanswell , was a head of the game.
Trying to "catch" the knife-wielding hand with both hands is actually a big no-no and considered an untrained response in our system. To each his own, I suppose.
Seems like a lot of focus on controlling the speed of the knife. How about just disrupting it and focus on controlling the direction instead? The first reaction of an attacker’s not going to be to stop at one stab, but to try again, especially now he feels he’s meeting resistance. Seems a waste not to use that, especially when creating that space to let him pass through when moving from inside to outside line.
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This just goes to show you that knife defense is extremely dangerous even for these guys who are very highly skilled.