Seiko 5 Military Watches with Hand Winding and Hacking - 40mm Cases

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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
  • You've been waiting for these! Upgraded Seiko 5 Military watches with handwinding and hacking have hit our store. Check out all 8 models in this video and then for purchase on our website.
    You're gonna love these Seiko SRPG models
    longislandwatc...
    Thank you for watching.

Комментарии • 392

  • @gtaylor2770
    @gtaylor2770 3 года назад +51

    Great stuff, especially the last two on leather. In all my 78 years, I never once thought that someday I would look forward eagerly to the next visit from a watch salesman.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +7

      LOL, thank you.

    • @fahmi3089
      @fahmi3089 2 года назад

      ​@@islandwatch ​ Hey, what the material or finishing the hour number marker on srpg37 (black) & srpg35(tan)? Are they paint or some kind a silver metal on srpg37 an tan metal on srpg35?

  • @d3xmeister
    @d3xmeister 2 года назад +14

    I got the SRPG37, put it on a quality vintage black leather strap. I am impressed, in reality this watch is just perfect. Looking at the reviews, I expected to be bothered by a few things: the thickness, the metal numbers with no lume (my plan was to lume them), the crown at 3, and the crystal.
    I was wrong about all, I could see it the instant I put it on my wrist, all the choices made sense, the way this watch wears and looks is just awesome. I would not change a thing. I’m a fan and owner of all the older Seiko field watches (and many many other Seikos) and I love them but I have tho say this is the nicest watch Seiko put out in the lower end since their SKX in 1996. I am blown away and never dreamed this would become my favorite watch.

    • @nwochina2770
      @nwochina2770 2 года назад

      "in reality this watch is just perfect."

  • @puff0086
    @puff0086 3 года назад +5

    that's why Seiko it's loved, because he know to provide the best design, the decent movement at the most affordable price...very good Seiko !!!

  • @HeroAntagonist
    @HeroAntagonist 3 года назад +14

    I was shrugging in indifference until I saw the last two, then I started adding them to the potential buy list

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +1

      LOL. Ok!

    • @Johnwoo998
      @Johnwoo998 3 года назад

      @@islandwatch hi Mark. I need some help/advice on my first screw down watch 🙏
      I just bought a Seiko Mini Turtle and I’m having problem trying to screw the crown back down.
      The problem is when I try to screw the crown back down it mostly will stuck in the middle and I will have to unscrew and try again. I will screw but I just can’t seem to do it easily. Now the crown felt a bit stiff/grainy when i screw it down. Do I need to worry about it or is it just fine? PLEASE HELP ME 🙏😰

  • @matzmx
    @matzmx 3 года назад +39

    The blue distressed one reminds me slightly of the new Seiko alpinists.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +4

      Yeah, it does.

    • @OhNoIguanas
      @OhNoIguanas 3 года назад +4

      I was thinking the same thing. Would have loved a green with gilt.

    • @Jorj57
      @Jorj57 3 года назад

      dude, ikr?!

    • @abhishekjmadan
      @abhishekjmadan 3 года назад

      been calling it the alfivnist or al5nist since it launched

  • @jamiehemming9883
    @jamiehemming9883 3 года назад +15

    I've had the khaki one for around a month now (UK) and I love it. At first I wasn't sure of the colour as I always think field/military = green or black but I love the colour combo on the face of the khaki one and prefer the inverted day/date. I reckon it would look gorgeous on a distressed brown leather NATO strap.

  • @miss2369
    @miss2369 3 года назад +10

    The leather with silver case looksss soooo good!

  • @dragonballtorture
    @dragonballtorture 3 года назад +3

    My oh my the leather ones are simply stunning to look at

  • @JayzBeerz
    @JayzBeerz 3 года назад +10

    Good morning Marc. Nice watches and I'm retired military and may have to check these out. Thank you.

  • @stephenhenion8304
    @stephenhenion8304 3 года назад +7

    Really appreciate your honesty and insight into these watches. Lots to like for sure. I like the one with the blue dial and Goldie numerals.👍🇺🇸👍

  • @matthewsanders6499
    @matthewsanders6499 Год назад +3

    Green dials are my favorite. I have the SNK805, just ordered the SRPG33, and I've got the Seiko super turtle with the green grenade dial finish. I find them very legible, and eye catching

  • @blakeparthenay3049
    @blakeparthenay3049 3 года назад +5

    The last one is my favorite. I love the dark stonewashed finish of the case, and I want to get that one with Japanese Kanji date options.

  • @markymarknj
    @markymarknj Год назад +2

    I just ordered an SRPG37 from you yesterday, and I CAN'T WAIT to get it! I had such a good experience ordering my SRPD27 Seiko automatic diver's watch (also with a 4R36 movement, BTW!) from you guys that I ordered the new, Seiko field watch too... :)

  • @John-P
    @John-P 3 года назад +20

    I really like these watches Marc, but come on Seiko for what you are charging and still no sapphire!!! nice review ...stay safe

    • @Mister_Phafanapolis
      @Mister_Phafanapolis 3 года назад +3

      Makes the LIW field watch _that_ much more appealing

    • @John-P
      @John-P 3 года назад +1

      @@Mister_Phafanapolis Agreed

    • @zestyfg
      @zestyfg 3 года назад +2

      The Marathon GPM has the same movement, a sapphire crystal and tritium lume for a comparable price. Sure, it has its own shortcomings, but come on.
      Seiko should offer more for the price.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +1

      I know!

  • @clintnygaard8356
    @clintnygaard8356 2 года назад +3

    Nice review. I could sense your excitement in getting these into your shop! I think 39 is my pick.

  • @EscapementWatch
    @EscapementWatch 3 года назад +7

    Sweet update!!! I like the distressed ones!

  • @aronalber9107
    @aronalber9107 3 года назад +4

    love that ombré dial and gilt hands on the srpg39

  • @samzerafa3185
    @samzerafa3185 2 года назад +1

    Thanks Mark for your video regarding the Military Seiko 5 40mm , it was due to your informative presentation that l chose the Sand coloured NATO and cream / black watch face with bead blasted case.
    I've changed the strap to a Olive green distressed canvas from Page and Cooper and it's not left my wrist since purchasing it early Dec last year !
    Your review is excellent and Intresting and l thank you so much for this !
    Keep them comming regards Sam

  • @tomp.214
    @tomp.214 2 года назад +2

    I got the blue dial leather strap and love it!

  • @jacc88888
    @jacc88888 3 года назад +6

    Great looking watches. However, as others have said, I wish they could also bring out a military style watch with the original SNK80 dial design but in 39 or 40mm and with the upgrade to the NH36.

  • @LS1007
    @LS1007 3 года назад +1

    Nice that Seiko finally updated the movement. The one with gold hands would look good with the tan strap but the leather is ok too. Too bad you can’t get it that way. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thanks for sharing them Marc! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

  • @jjlink300
    @jjlink300 2 года назад +2

    Just got the blue dail gold numbers and leather strap one I love it!! Super nice

    • @Foma_Kinyaev4188
      @Foma_Kinyaev4188 2 года назад

      Hi. How long does a luminophore glow? Does it make sense to give it to the master for rework or the factory one is enough for the whole night?

  • @dultanur
    @dultanur 3 года назад +2

    Seiko saying kiss my bonbons Hamilton. I’m with you, the Khaki color is the king here. Would have preferred the SNK sizing but I guess the 4r is a thicker movement and the case would have looked out of proportion if smaller.Overall a great design.

    • @dultanur
      @dultanur 3 года назад

      @VeteranPilothow so? Just curious.

  • @manoflego123
    @manoflego123 3 года назад +8

    I'm very excited by these, but I do miss the slightly recessed 4 o'clock crown, I loved that about the SNK80X series. That being said the drilled holes are a huge bonus, as I'd probably slap a NATO on that immediately lol. Great video though!

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +3

      Yes, that tucked away crown was a bonus.

    • @alfredklek
      @alfredklek 3 года назад +3

      Wasn't the 4 o'clock crown one of the five things in "Seiko 5?"

  • @robertb925
    @robertb925 3 года назад +1

    SRPG41 is definitely my favorite of the batch.

  • @enriqueparedespinel1694
    @enriqueparedespinel1694 3 года назад +3

    Putting the green dail aside, I like all other versions are interesting, I would have loved a withe dail. I'll be buying 1 from you Mark.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +2

      White would get my vote too.

  • @iBerzinsh
    @iBerzinsh 2 года назад +1

    Love the green one, just got one for myself!👌

  • @josephaziz1731
    @josephaziz1731 3 года назад +2

    Bought one--great watch. Slightly fast--the way it should be. Made in Japan--a definite plus. Better than Tissot which costs more money. Nato straps are the best--sweat into it a little in summer and it's more comfortable and more durable than leather. Right size, classic military 40 mm. Home run for Seiko.

  • @pablogonzalez8304
    @pablogonzalez8304 3 года назад +2

    I can definitely see myself picking one of these up some time in the future

  • @boredowl5339
    @boredowl5339 3 года назад +25

    Now we're basically at the situation in wich Marc has beaten Seiko in their own game.
    Not even Seiko managed to offer as much as the Islander field watches.
    TBH, these are great field watches but but I believe Islander field watches are greater :)

    • @jtlynn23
      @jtlynn23 3 года назад +1

      I just wish the ISL-40 or ISL-42 would come back in stock. They've been on my wishlist for a while.

    • @Jaybird-oo3ih
      @Jaybird-oo3ih 2 года назад

      Agree, Marc gives us hand winding + hacking and sapphire crystals front and back. Seiko should at least give everyone a sapphire crystal for that price point.

  • @runningawayvagabond5876
    @runningawayvagabond5876 3 года назад +2

    Great vid Marc! You answered a question raised from other reviews - the bracelet versions are partly polished cases which is too bad. Was going to get the black dial bracelet'd version and pop on a nato (while having the bracelet for those times I wanted to dress it up) but not interested in polished.
    That 2nd last one is going to be my next watch. Toss the leather and put it on a black nato and it's never going to leave my wrist, SRPG39.

  • @Tonyfig123
    @Tonyfig123 3 года назад +27

    So when is the aftermarket long island bracelet coming out?!

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +4

      LOL. Not yet.

    • @thomaskuhn6541
      @thomaskuhn6541 3 года назад +2

      @@islandwatch Wouldn't this take the same strap as the SRPE's?

    • @Johnwoo998
      @Johnwoo998 3 года назад

      @@islandwatch hi Mark. I need some help/advice on my first screw down watch. 🙏
      I just bought a Seiko Mini Turtle and I’m having problem trying to screw the crown back down.
      The problem is when I try to screw the crown back down it mostly will stuck in the middle and I will have to unscrew and try again. I will screw but I just can’t seem to do it easily. Now the crown felt a bit stiff/grainy when i screw it down. Do I need to worry about it or is it just fine? PLEASE HELP ME 🙏😰

    • @Foma_Kinyaev4188
      @Foma_Kinyaev4188 2 года назад

      @@Johnwoo998 добавь с иголки шприца капельку масла и разработай, братишка. А если сорвешь резьбу - неси мастеру.

  • @aim54x
    @aim54x 3 года назад +7

    I couldnt pick one of these over the Islander field watches, although I have to admit that Seiko have done a nice job of matching cases with straps and dials

  • @nwochina2770
    @nwochina2770 2 года назад +2

    SRPG39 is the best one....

  • @simranthiara8233
    @simranthiara8233 2 года назад

    Just ordered the SRPG37! I'm a first time customer to LIW and this is also going to be my first watch.

  • @TeaDoubleE85
    @TeaDoubleE85 3 года назад +1

    Green dial has less reflection cause of it's color. This will be my first Field watch! Green version for me.

  • @chrisr8112
    @chrisr8112 3 года назад

    Love the black dial with the sand coloured strap.

  • @JB-qt8eh
    @JB-qt8eh 3 года назад +1

    Islander watch for the win👏

  • @yoinkhaha
    @yoinkhaha 3 года назад +6

    Threw my SNK805 on a nice brown leather strap and it looks amazing, I would say one of my best-lookers. I would still go SNK-line if you really want to go Seiko... This is a great looking watch, but %150 surcharge is a lot for hacking, handwinding and the extra WR with no screw-down crown. Plus the SNK aesthetic is more interesting, still.

  • @GraemeBatty
    @GraemeBatty 3 года назад +1

    Really digging the SRPG39

  • @RedNip123
    @RedNip123 3 года назад +3

    I wish the one with the Sand Colored Strap had a red seconds tip

  • @grahamekellermeier8280
    @grahamekellermeier8280 Год назад

    Have a couple of military watches, have three adina watches that are similar design, great watches easy to read.

  • @superlink235
    @superlink235 Год назад +1

    I believe the choice for hardlex is because it may be less hard than sapphire, but isn't it stronger? I bel sapphire would shatter easier. These are field watches after all, they're meant to be taken outside on the field.

  • @thegit8698
    @thegit8698 3 года назад +1

    I really wanted to get back into watches about 5 years ago so after watching TGV and your channel among some others I decided it was definitely going to be a Seiko after considering an skx and a field watch I went with the SNZG15J1 and of course it's a "strap monster" so naturally I caught the nato strap bug and bought several different colours, the 2 different styles of Bond straps, a marine Nationale NDC, that TGV has a lot to answer for lol but now it's on a nice thick black rally style strap and that's the strap that has made the watch imo, I could not get the skx out of my system though so naturally I now own one of those as well, I say all that to say this lol, the watches on the leather straps are my favourite of the bunch

  • @jack.charlesc4750
    @jack.charlesc4750 3 года назад +3

    Great watch I like it a lot but no champagne/sand dial 😭 if you make a small batch for the isl 40 I am all for it when they will be restocked

  • @GarysMetalDetecting
    @GarysMetalDetecting 3 года назад

    Love the black ones.

  • @lukasz_zegarkowy
    @lukasz_zegarkowy 3 года назад +3

    50k is drawing nearer. Congrats!!

  • @andrewhannam.
    @andrewhannam. 3 года назад +1

    Nice update from the Seiko snzg!!!

  • @gianlucabassi8853
    @gianlucabassi8853 2 года назад

    I can't beat the Day date and the glass bottom.

  • @novanogo07
    @novanogo07 3 года назад +2

    These look great, I'm still adjusting to the Seiko 5 logo. I'm not sure how I feel about the thickness, the best part of the SNK8's is the value and how thin and light they are. I bought a couple SNK80*'s in different colors to stash in my collection when I heard they were getting the ax.

  • @TeaDoubleE85
    @TeaDoubleE85 3 года назад +1

    Now I got both black and green NATO version!

  • @cameronkrause4712
    @cameronkrause4712 3 года назад

    Seiko knows what they are doing with these.

  • @IceDree
    @IceDree 3 года назад +2

    They're interesting watches for sure, better looking than the SNZG1x series. I love the black day/date wheel and the unmarked chapter ring ... If only the SRPE line was like that.
    Excellent video, Marc.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад

      Can't have everything :)

    • @IceDree
      @IceDree 3 года назад

      @@islandwatch ain't that the truth ... :)

  • @stephenbridges2791
    @stephenbridges2791 3 года назад +2

    Of the lot; I like the grey one the best. Was I seeing applied indices? Looked like it.

  • @carlobighouse5434
    @carlobighouse5434 3 года назад

    The non-PVD Lizard strap one is very elegant and classic looking. Reminds me of Presage or Alpinist line in a 5. Very nice.

  • @rabato1064
    @rabato1064 2 года назад +3

    How come these have the crown at 3 o'clock when one of the 5 key attributes of a Seiko 5 is a recessed crown at the four o’clock position?

  • @jimmylaw2136
    @jimmylaw2136 3 года назад +7

    Nice. For military style, should have more lume though...

  • @paulhiggins8774
    @paulhiggins8774 3 года назад

    I like the desert sand style, quite like the destressed looking one too, something different

  • @paulhart2021
    @paulhart2021 3 года назад +7

    Marc, I think they are trying to compete with the islander field watches.
    There's more value and specs on the islanders

  • @nurburgringkid
    @nurburgringkid 3 года назад

    9:05 this looks so spinnakerish. i like it. thanks for the review

  • @theashehousehold2717
    @theashehousehold2717 3 года назад

    Just put my order in, great content. I hope to buy more that you review soon.

  • @alex18771977
    @alex18771977 2 года назад

    Great video. A lot of details. Thx a lot!

  • @jwags24
    @jwags24 3 года назад

    Awesome! Wish they all had the red tip second hand though. Might have to pick one up

  • @AlexanderB.
    @AlexanderB. 3 года назад +2

    Are you going to offer sapphire crystals to mod and upgrade these watches eventually, preferably als slightly single domed ones?

  • @silver771000
    @silver771000 3 года назад +1

    Are you gonna have the option of a sapphire crystal upgrade on this one???

  • @terryloh8583
    @terryloh8583 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for showing the full line-up, Mark! What is the water resistance on these? 50m?

  • @rolandomontenegro4130
    @rolandomontenegro4130 2 года назад +1

    I think that last watch with a nylon strap would be a total winner. Maybe a black or navy NATO. How many millimeters is that strap?

  • @gsmdza8742
    @gsmdza8742 3 года назад

    Thank you good job

  • @konliner9286
    @konliner9286 2 года назад

    Handsome watch.

  • @eyman67
    @eyman67 3 года назад

    Green on a chocolate strap is supreme!

  • @ForeverUnknowing
    @ForeverUnknowing 3 года назад +1

    Oh nice! Might have to get one of these to go alongside my SNZG.😂

  • @stevensalim94
    @stevensalim94 Год назад

    very great detailed information
    thank you

  • @mountainhobo
    @mountainhobo 3 года назад +1

    PVD distressed on grey nylon might be an interesting combination (or on perlon), but 37mm and much thinner.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад

      Great point!

    • @Lundgreen19
      @Lundgreen19 3 года назад

      This watch already exist is a Khaki Field mechanical pvd …

  • @daletaylorjr.4786
    @daletaylorjr.4786 3 года назад

    That distressed look is called stonewashed. These are some very nice watches and I may just have to pick one up from you!

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 2 года назад

    “The devil damn thee black, thou cream-faced lume!”

  • @silverstacker8282
    @silverstacker8282 3 года назад

    The distressed finish you mention is done by vibra tumbling.

  • @glennyeah
    @glennyeah 3 года назад

    I was waiting for you to pull out a blue one when you said one stood out to you😄

  • @Carlos-nq7up
    @Carlos-nq7up 3 года назад

    I like the first one you showed! 👍

  • @waqarhaider2226
    @waqarhaider2226 3 года назад +56

    The hardlex is bugging me at this price point

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +15

      Noted.

    • @yoinkhaha
      @yoinkhaha 3 года назад +6

      Maybe time for Island Watches ISL40-43 to come back in stock?

    • @paulwilberforce9115
      @paulwilberforce9115 3 года назад

      @@islandwatch 🤣

    • @VanderJam
      @VanderJam 3 года назад +1

      Yes!!!!

    • @dultanur
      @dultanur 3 года назад +3

      I’ve yet to scratch any of my Seikos… Doesn’t prove anything, but it’s not as bad as you think probably.

  • @qwerty135797
    @qwerty135797 3 года назад

    Thanks for doing this video bubba!

  • @secretariat-13
    @secretariat-13 3 года назад +2

    Nice looking watches, no sapphire (it’s better) no problem for me, I don’t mind Hardlex, anything on the giveaways? Just wondering 🤔 thanks Marc

  • @TheShane209
    @TheShane209 3 года назад +1

    Yes!!!!! Finally

  • @MILITAWATCH
    @MILITAWATCH Год назад

    Looks great but my wrist is small, so i picked up the smaller version of this model sbsa201

  • @doom2507
    @doom2507 3 года назад +1

    Does the nylon one have a display back because I'm thinking of getting one thanks 👍

  • @gregs.8895
    @gregs.8895 3 года назад +1

    Nice! The blue on the leather gives me an S5 alpinist vibe? Might be the camera or my small phone screen. Just a thought.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад +1

      Alpinist, yes. You aren't the only one.

    • @gregs.8895
      @gregs.8895 3 года назад

      @@islandwatch fixed my typo. :)

  • @shatner99
    @shatner99 2 года назад

    7:12
    That green for him was too MASH.

  • @potgieterl
    @potgieterl 3 года назад +1

    If you want a Seiko go for it, I think the 13.5mm thick is very sloppy watchmaking(nevermind the bracelet), you could pick up a Islander field watch with better specs for 86$ less.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад

      About one mm of that is dome.

  • @johndavid5627
    @johndavid5627 2 года назад

    just bought one 200 can nice

  • @swfan1004
    @swfan1004 Год назад

    Debating on getting one of these or the timex expedition north 38…

  • @rainappleby
    @rainappleby 3 года назад +1

    Hey, I like the green 💚 haha more military 🪖 color

  • @D00MTR33
    @D00MTR33 3 года назад

    That distressed look is called called stonewashed. They use it on knife blades and it helps to hide wear. All the finishes here you can see on knives blades like polished, satin, bead blasted, stonewashed and blackwashed(distressed pvd).
    Love the look of a few of these but at $275 there's better value out there. Sure lumibrite is better than other lumes but sapphire beats hardlex any day.
    Today you can get so much for $300. Sapphire with layers of anti glare coating, ceramic bezel that will be aligned 100% of the time unlike Seiko, NH35/36 movement, 200m-500m water resist ratings, unique dials(love the forged carbon fiber on my Phoibos), more than one strap and a nice presentation box with a watch roll at times.
    Are micro brands as legendary as Seiko? No. I love the few Seikos I have and SKX is a legend in the watch world that inspired many companies. But doing the Seiko shuffle gets old after a while.

  • @elgatto3133
    @elgatto3133 3 года назад

    Nicest of the new seiko 5s yet

  • @paisley293
    @paisley293 3 года назад +1

    Good morning Mark! I was trying to change the battery on my watch, and a little 'battery cover', like a little metal 'v shape' that was on top of the battery to hold it in place, it popped out! Now I don't know how to pop it back in. Do you have any ideas? Thanks!

  • @daverooni7763
    @daverooni7763 3 года назад

    If Seiko had more versions without a date window, I would buy a few of them

  • @chu88y1
    @chu88y1 3 года назад +1

    check out Marc's pilot watch (with the orange second hand) for $200. I have mine on with orange and black NATO, Beauty.

  • @joebloggs5454
    @joebloggs5454 Год назад

    I purchased a Seiko 5 Sports Automatic SRPG29K with a 4r36 movement in Australia in February 2023 and the world should know that this watch lost seven minutes in the 24 days of the first month of ownership. I advised the Seiko Australian supplier Linda and Co that the watch was faulty. They replied that it met the specifications so no warranty. Think about that before investing in a Seiko watch.... Robin T 28-March-2023

  • @paullinn1312
    @paullinn1312 3 года назад

    Love them

  • @flemmingsorensen5470
    @flemmingsorensen5470 3 года назад

    Very nice indeed 👍👍👍

  • @konstantinmykhailov6708
    @konstantinmykhailov6708 3 года назад +1

    I'd really love a comparison with the Hamilton Khaki Field line, espesially with the 38mm auto. Eventhough it's twice the retail price, I still feel like it's a better option.

    • @islandwatch
      @islandwatch  3 года назад

      okay, thank you

    • @VanderJam
      @VanderJam 3 года назад

      Twice the retail price? I paid $350 for a no date Hamilton Khaki new at a Jewelry store just across the bridge in Jersey. No way I paid $275 for one of these.

    • @konstantinmykhailov6708
      @konstantinmykhailov6708 3 года назад

      @@VanderJam I live in Europe, prices are generally higher here. I think they’re even higher then your retail prices sometimes. And if you buy not from a EU country (like Jomashop), you pay about 30% tax (21% and 10% customs). So the cheapest Hami khaki auto I could find was from Switzerland ($540). And new Seiko 5 models are generally around $260-280 from Chrono24 sellers or $340 official retail.

    • @VanderJam
      @VanderJam 3 года назад

      @@konstantinmykhailov6708 wow. That's a bummer.

  • @mattconnor651
    @mattconnor651 2 года назад

    Ok so I've watched this a couple of times now and I want one ....... but your military watches are nice too. Bugger I don't know which one to get now.
    Maybe both ... the wife doesnt need to know. 😅