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@@abderrahimbakir3294 They're Marvel movies in the sense that they're movies made in association with Marvel Entertainment based on characters from Marvel comics. But they're not Marvel movies in the sense that they're not owned or made by Marvel Studios. So it depends what you call a Marvel movie.
Yeah, like Colton's saying, I honestly can't fathom why Sony doesn't just license the IP to Disney. You get gobs of money and you don't have to spend any on actors, writers, directors, etc? How is that even a choice for them? Just mind-blowingly dumb on Sony's part
Yea cuz disney been doing so hot lately 😂😂😂😂 and no deadpool and wolverine doesnt count before the deadpool franchise already popular before disney got in the way
@@kellycriterion1019 lmaoooo if any of us were Sony, the movies would be good because we're not detached from reality. So we wouldnt need to give it up.
@WilbertMoore You speak as such because you are outside the system🤣A person not playing the match usually sees the mistakes of the players but let him play and you will get to see his numerous and more mistakes.
Sony has the easiest thing they can do, which is "we will not extend this contract with holland's spider-man unless you let us make films using garfield and macguire." With DC having 2 seperste batman universes theres no reason sony cant make more films with Garfield or Mcguire
Sony doesnt need anyones permission they still own spiderman 100% if they really wanted to they could have made spiderman movies with garfield or mcguire
The "For now" tag at the end of statement gives me an uneasy feeling about this. I wouldn't be surprised that after Avengers Secret Wars that Sony will announce that they'll resume their adjacent Spider-Man films for the foreseeable future. The only good part about this is that Kevin Feige has said recently that he plans of introducing Miles Morales in the MCU presumably after Secret Wars since he still wants to focus on Peter now. But Miles probably can't be a member of the Young Avengers/Champions if that team's story will be told as a Disney+ series. So, it looks like he'll be introduced in MCU Spider-Man 5 and just go on from there.
@ so you’re telling me that we didn’t get Venom 1, 2 and 3, Morbius, Madame Web and Kraven? Maybe you misread my comment but SONY has been ignoring us fans for years.
@nomad_wm ah, yes. Sony should have known for sure. Pretty sad honestly. I agree with the reviewers that this really had potential even without Spider-Man.
I don't think the fans are going to support Sony taking Spider-Man from the MCU. Enough people will boycott the movies that it will not make the money they want it to.
@@dariuschisholm7317but are there more Spider-Man fans than mcu fans that still make it as profitable? I’d watch it, I’ve also put myself through all of these movies as I enjoy the pain, but at the end of the day money is all Sony cares about
@dariuschisholm7317 I'm a real Spider-Man fan, I have not seen any of the Sony, not Spider-Man movies, in the theater. Based on sales, I'm not the only one. If they cared about Spider-Man, they would make a Spider-Man movie. They have a spiderverce of Spider-Men they can use minus one, but they don't. How cool would a Spider-Man 2099 movie be? Other than the Spiderverce movies, their creativity is gone. I don't think it will come back just because they have Peter Parker to use.
Colton looks so handsome with his new haircut. It appears to be Colton is coming into his own and stepping out of the background. He seems to have adopted a whole new boost in his presence and assurance with his perspectives, opinions, and critique. I love this whole new reinvention and attitude. I hope he embraces it, and this is our new rising star.
That’s great news, and it better start in the ground like it should have been in Years and let’s hope that 3 Year Break is permanent and then go 5 Year so Sony will give the rights back to marvel, let’s Celebrate.
I agree that the ideal scenario is to expand the Spider-Man deal to ALL of the Spider-Man characters. But in my heart of hearts, I just want Disney to buy them out so badly.
Not Sony finally realizing that Spider-Man is the LITERAL nexus being (anchor being) of their Spidey flicks, and the sans-Spider-Man Spidey flicks are LITERALLY dying!!! Sony should just make like the TVA and prune these sans-Spider-Man Spidey flicks!!! 😭😭😭
One thing I'm surprised more people aren't suggesting, and you all might know since you have a relationship with the people who wrote "MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios", is that maybe the reason Sony greenlit all these movies is just as an insurance policy to keep the rights. That is to say, Sony's license for Spider-Man (the original 1990s one) was written as a "use it or lose it" contract. So Sony needs to keep a Spider-Man movie in production at all times to prevent the rights from reverting to Marvel. Obviously they satisfy this requirement by making Tom Holland MCU films, but maybe they just want to be safe in the event Marvel has some delays that prevent them from cranking out the next Tom Holland picture. The money Sony makes on just one MCU Spider-Man film more than washes out all their losses on these movies (and some of them make a profit), so it makes financial sense for them to keep cranking out stinkers that are technically Spider-Man movies. Also when did we find out that Sony isn't allowed to use Spider-Man in live action under the new deal? I feel like that was only ever reported after the second edition of "MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios" came out.
During my orientation at an international big box my trainer said "You may think your job is to sell (redacted - I could get fired otherwise). Your job is to make money." He went on "How is our competition?" Some people offered up other companies, and said "Yes, and who else? Anywhere people spend money that's not here." Ryan, my summer child, large corporations no longer care about what they make, only what it makes them. Witness Disney squeezing Star Wars or Netflix deleting legitimately wonderful (if niche) shows because they didn't gain Eyes fast enough. At one time what you said was true but not anymore once you move past a moderately sized indie company.
What was the last MCU based video game that was any good? The best next step imo is to trade. Disney tells Sony they can keep the animated Spiderverse and all video games, but if Sony gives back SM and all related characters then they gain the rights to make all future Marvel games. As well as a percentage of the movies those characters are in. Neither Marvel nor DC have incorporated video games as part of their extended universes. Marvel writers write the stories of the games so they stay in canon, but they let Sony do what they’re actually good at and make the game. Then they can have games as another branch of storytelling within the MCU.
Can't Sony just reset and keep Spiderman away from the MCU after the MCU reset. Make the next main Spiderman Miles Morales, Peter Parker the older Spiderman, like the video game. Than build a proper Spiderverse from it.
What I don’t understand is why wasn’t the third Spider-Man movie used as a jumping off point for Toby or Andrews Spider-Man to lead the Sony universe? Like that’s such an alley oop to me
I wonder sometimes if the people making the movies shouldn't buy characters. They should buy STORIES. Each one of these should have had Spider Man fighting the villain in an adaptation of their best appearance in the comics. AND THEN it would build up to a Sinister Six, Avengers style crossover ensemble.
The Rhino CGI was the worst I've seen since 1998, AND WHO TF?? The foreigner?? 🤣🤣🤣 I'm going to watch Sonic 3 twice just to offset the fact I went to see Kraven. So sad
They should make a deal where it’s a negotiated split, but Sony handles the video games and the cartoons and Disneys handles the live action. And they have to work together to maintain the stories. An Avengers game done like the 3 Spider-Man games would be awesome.
THANK YOU! for saying Venom could have carried his verse, I would love for you guys to make a video of how he could have done that (venom has a whole world of symbiotes) if they focused purely on the 3 movies with venoms and brocks relationship and by the third movie brock ends up dying and for the first time venom shows true sadness and is left to find a new host, its also shown that a symbiote called for more of their kind to come to earth, now the earth is facing a symbiote invasion. A ship of symbiotes is seen coming into view right before the movie ends. [I have way more to say but that would have been cool]
I just dont understand why sony is not limiting themselves to tom holland in their mcu deal. Do a spiderman 4 or a amazing spiderman 3 to conclude the tobeyverse and andrewverse. They will obviously come back to play the character. They could combine andrew with the venomverse and make a 688 sinsiter six movie with andrew garfield
Why the hell wont Sony do this is they want to do Spider-Man movies. Keep Holland in the MCU and do the Sinister Six movie set in the Sony verse. We all know that they live in different universes. Why is it so hard?!?
10:58.... uhhh... actually.... Arby's DOES have burgers. I really like their Big Cheesy Bacon Burger myself. That being said... I still get your analogy. 😁👍👍
Imagine if Marvel/Disney, after the end credits scene with Thanos that they completely dropped that story line and never mentioned Thanos ever again? This is what Sony is doing with their Spider-Man adjacent "movies" with the "teases"
my favorite videos are always the ones with the three of yall talking, love seeing Tommy. and i gotta say Colton's lookig hella sharp with the buzz cut!
I like the point that we spend a lot of money on movies and quality between movies is not same. We pay the same amount for for each movie but don't get the same quality and as a movie goer we deserve to have better quality movies. A family of 4 will spend easily over $100 just to watch a movie these days, and let's make their money worth it.
Can you do a video of options of what storyline would potentially have worked for a SONY Venom-centered Universe that would have incorporated the other Spiderman IP?
I'm a firm beleiver that the only reason Sony made any of these films was to make it harder for Marvel to make Spiderman films. The end goal was for Marvel to make a bad Spiderman film, Sony would try and take him back and insert him into this unverse of characters they've wasted a lot of money on.
Sony film execs behave like they're from the 1920s, and think audiences are incredibly naïve. They have no idea that their entire philosophy on filmmaking has been the butt of satirical jokes for decades. These are people who don't realize blatant product placement and "this is how the kids behave right?" moments are obnoxious and transparent. These rich idiots must live in such an insane bubble.
"Sony Kills the Spider-Man "Villain-Verse"...For Now" If there is a God in heaven, may he smite down any Sony exec who even suggests another Sony Picture live action Spidey villain project.
None of these movies feel connected… and I didn’t even see them all. The arrogance of Sony to not only put out bad stories for each film, but to expect us to believe that they were building a connected universe.
I am hopeful for the future of the Spider -mam character. Because now with Tom Holand's name and pull he won't allow his character to move in a bad way. Tom Holland expressed how he was very involved the next film.
I feel Sony could have something good if they make a Spider Verse franchise with different live action spider men/women in their universes, doing their own interconnected story, maybe crossover with the MCU, possibly do villain movies and make them villains/anti heroes depending on the character, and have a plan in place. I don’t mind the current Sony verse we have but I think if they want this idea of King in Black or a Sinister 6 to work, they need to take a step back and revaluate.
When the Spider-Man film rights were sold to Sony, Marvel retained the rights for toys, animated (under 1-hour) and live-action (under 30-mins) television (non-feature).
I think that an invisible spider man in these movies would work ... then make a deal for Spiderman to low-key vaugely mention his interactions with them in his movies
They have some other spider heroes. I suspect that Disney has locked down Miles Morales, but the Spider-Verse comics introduced a lot more spider-heroes that aren't Peter Parker or Miles. They could always use this. By having heroes, then they can let their villains be villains. Instead of trying to make them all anti-heroes.
I think the fact that they are making a Spider-man Noir show with the only stipulation that Spider-man can't be Peter Parker, its only cheapness and laziness that we don't have a Spider-man 2099 project.
Imagine if Wanda comes back for Secret Wars and KRAVEN Pietro pops up from the Sonyverse. Same goes with Hydra Captain America and Tony Doom. Everyone you think is an ally isn’t. It would have the 616 characters on the back foot. And Captain America doesn’t necessarily have to be the Hydra one either. There was another Earth where the Avengers were not the good guys and left their Earth to die during an incursion. They came to 616 pretending to be heroes.
I completely agree with Colton here. Who even thought any if these sony movies would succeed? Venom was a villian whos popularity surpassed some of the best know heroes even and they had tom hardy putting everything which made them better. Did they really think it was their amazing decisions that made venom a hit?
They really should let the Spider-Man Noir TV series be a fresh start. I wish they’d focus on more projects like that (& get better live-action writers) instead of the anti-hero Sinister Six they were doing. - Spider Noir - TASM/Andrew Garfield - Spider-Gwen - Spider-Man 2099 - Scarlet Spider/Ben Reilly - Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew - Spider-Punk - Silk - Ghost Spider There’s several spider heroes that haven’t been done yet in live-action. You can have them set in their own universes free to their own continuity up until a live-action Spider-Verse movie where they all crossover & Madame Web is introduced. If they got Emma Stone for Gwen, it’d make for a touching moment between Andrew & a variant of his lost love. I’d like to see Miles Morales, but I kinda want him to be in the MCU at the end of Tom Holland’s run when his Peter Parker retires/dies.
Hey Ryan, since we are from the corporate perspective on these IP characters and adaptions, can you another similar of another adaptions like the new Harry Potter series and the challenges it posses and what drastic or polarising decisions they might make?
I don't get why they don't simply hedge their bets. If they can't have Tom Holland be in their own movies at the same time as they have him in the MCU, why not keep Holland in the MSU and make Garfield their Sony Spidey. Garfield seems to have enough fan enthusiasm. Certainly more than simply not having a Spiderman in the Sonyverse, and they don't risk spoiling the thing they have going with the TH Spiderman in the MCU.
My marvel timeline: 12/13/24 update -The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me. -All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order. -Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself). -I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps. -The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list. --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America 8. Agent Carter (*) •[@-Agent Carter saga] 9. Avengers •[A@-AOS S1:E6] 10. Item 47 (*) •[%-Cloak and dagger S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:1] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:1] •[%-Cloak and dagger S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:1] •[DS@-The Defenders] •[DS@-The Punisher S:1] •[A@-AOS S1:E2-5] •[A@-AOS S1:E7] •[A@-AOS S1:E10-16] 11. Capt. America & winter soldier •[A@-AOS S1:E17-22] 12. Thor: dark world •[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8] •[A@-AOS S1:E1] 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) 15. Guardians of the galaxy •[A@-AOS S2:E1-19] 16. Avengers: age of ultron •[A@-AOS S2:E20-22] •[A@-AOS S1:E9] 17. Ant man •[A@-AOS S3:E1-19] 18. Capt. America: civil war •[A@-AOS S3:E20-22] •[@-Inhumans] •[%-Ghostrider] •[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance] •[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-22] •[%-Helstrom] 19. Black panther •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:2] •[DS@-Daredevil S:3] •[DS@-The Punisher S:2] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3] 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange •[%-Runaways] •[A@-AOS S:5 E:1-6(WIP)] 23. Thor: ragnarok 24. Infinity war 25. Ant man & the wasp 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38. Wakanda forever 39. Secret invasion 40. Moon knight 41. Werewolf by night 42. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 43. Loki S:1 44. What if S:1 45. Quantumania 46. Loki S:2 47. What if S:2 •[$%-Madame web] 48. Venom ($) 49. Into the spider verse ($) 50. Venom 2 ($) •[%-Spider man 1-3] •[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2] 51. Spider man: no way home •[$%-Morbius] 52. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 53. Across the spider verse ($) 54. Venom 3 ($) •[$%-Kraven] 55. Ms. Marvel 56. The marvels •[@-X-men ‘96] 57. X-men ‘97 58. What if S:3 (€) •[%-Fox X-men saga] •[%-The New mutants] •[%-Legion] •[%-The Gifted] 59. Deadpool 60. Deadpool 2 •[%-Fox Daredevil] •[%-Elektra] •[%-Lionsgate Punisher] •[%-Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)] •[%-Rise of the silver surfer] •[%-Blade Trilogy] 61. Wolverine and Deadpool 62. Agatha all along 63. The Eternals 64. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 65. Thunderbolts(€) -Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watch in progress (WIP). -I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. Unreleased content as of 12/13/24: 1.Thunderbolts(€) 2.Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3.Fantastic 4 4Avengers: Doomsday 5.Avengers: Secret wars 6.Daredevil: born again 7.Ironheart 8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man 9.Marvel zombies 10.eyes of wakanda 11.Xmen97 S:2 12.What if… S:3(€) 13.Wonder man 14.Spider-man Noir 15.Dr. Strange 3 16.Spider-man 4 17.The Midnight sons 18.Blade? €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). I am also predicting “What if…” S:3 will take place after X-men ‘97 due to the appearance of the watcher. If this is not the case, I will move it to its correct space in the timeline. @-stand-alone sagas/episodes that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline. %-included for the hell of it. You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos. I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. Leigion, the runaways and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga (They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline). The Ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger. Madame web, Kraven, and Morbius can all suck a fat one. You don’t have to watch them but they add to a dark time in the multiverse saga. A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. $-Sonyverse aka trash. Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2. May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
@ My marvel timeline: 12/24/24 update (All content up to date up to the release of Thunderbolts*) -The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me. -All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order. -Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself). -I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps. -The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list. --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America 8. Agent Carter (*) •[@-Agent Carter saga] 9. Avengers •[A@-AOS S1:E6] 10. Item 47 (*) •[%-Cloak and dagger S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:1] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:1] •[%-Cloak and dagger S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:1] •[DS@-The Defenders] •[DS@-The Punisher S:1] •[A@-AOS S1:E2-5] •[A@-AOS S1:E7] •[A@-AOS S1:E10-16] 11. Capt. America & winter soldier •[A@-AOS S1:E17-22] 12. Thor: dark world •[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8] •[A@-AOS S1:E1] 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) 15. Guardians of the galaxy •[A@-AOS S2:E1-19] 16. Avengers: age of ultron •[A@-AOS S2:E20-22] •[A@-AOS S1:E9] 17. Ant man •[A@-AOS S3:E1-19] 18. Capt. America: civil war •[A@-AOS S3:E20-22] •[@-Inhumans] •[%-Ghostrider] •[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance] •[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-22] •[%-Helstrom] 19. Black panther •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:2] •[DS@-Daredevil S:3] •[DS@-The Punisher S:2] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3] 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange •[%-Runaways] •[A@-AOS S:5 E:1-11] 23. Thor: ragnarok •[A@-AOS S:5 E:12-22] 24. Infinity war •[A@-AOS S:6 E:1-13] 25. Ant man & the wasp •[A@-AOS S:7 E:1-13] 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38. Wakanda forever 39. Secret invasion 40. Moon knight 41. Werewolf by night 42. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 43. Loki S:1 44. What if S:1 45. Quantumania 46. Loki S:2 47. What if S:2 •[$%-Madame web] 48. Venom ($) 49. Into the spider verse ($) 50. Venom 2 ($) •[%-Spider man 1-3] •[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2] 51. Spider man: no way home •[$%-Morbius] 52. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 53. Across the spider verse ($) 54. Venom 3 ($) •[$%-Kraven] 55. Ms. Marvel 56. The marvels •[@-X-men ‘96] 57. X-men ‘97 •[%-Fox X-men saga (release date order)] •[%-The New mutants] •[%-Legion] •[%-The Gifted] 58. Deadpool 59. Deadpool 2 •[%-Fox Daredevil] •[%-Elektra] •[%-Lionsgate Punisher] •[%-Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)] •[%-Rise of the silver surfer] •[%-Blade Trilogy] 60. Wolverine and Deadpool 61. Agatha all along 62. Eternals 63. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 64. Thunderbolts(€) 65. What if S:3 -I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. Unreleased content as of 12/24/24: 1.Thunderbolts(€) 2.Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3.Fantastic 4 4Avengers: Doomsday 5.Avengers: Secret wars 6.Daredevil: born again 7.Ironheart 8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man 9.Marvel zombies 10.eyes of wakanda 11.Xmen97 S:2 12..Wonder man 13.Spider-man Noir 14.Dr. Strange 3 15.Spider-man 4 16.The Midnight sons 17.Blade? €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). I am also predicting “What if…” S:3 will take place after X-men ‘97 due to the appearance of the watcher. If this is not the case, I will move it to its correct space in the timeline. (Edit: moved “what if” to new slot due to the appearance of the eternals, Agatha harkness, and characters that have made appearances, up to the release of season 3) @-stand-alone sagas/episodes that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline. %-included for the hell of it {You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos. I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. Leigion, the runaways and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga (They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline). The Ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger. Madame web, Kraven, and Morbius can all suck a fat one. You don’t have to watch them but they add to a dark time in the multiverse saga}. A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. $-Sonyverse, aka trash (Venom and the spiderverse flicks are cool, but the rest suck). Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2. May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
If they’re gonna do a true center of sex or just Spider-Man, they need to make it a trilogy that way you can build every single villain character and make an epic fight. Hell you could bring Miles into it and make the second one really tragic for Peter.
The penguin didnt need to lean into batman and we only got the bat sign at the end of the show, but it served a purpose and you knew it meant penguin will get his comeuppance. Sony just drop IP in for trailers. Must be a nightmare for the creators.
Sony should just focused on the animated Spider-Man films. Like what they're doing with the Spiderverse movies. If the guys behind the Spidey PS games can make great stories there's no reason they can't do that in the films as well.
I REALLY enjoyed this! It came from a perspective that I hadn't even thought about. I heard Madame Web was hot trash but have never seen it. I thought Morbius could've been MUCH better but to round that out would've included a longer running time. Long running times can be the "kiss of death" for a movie unless it's very involving. I believe a lot of Sony's incentives are dollar driven with no real regard for true fans - comic book or otherwise. Making movies with the mud on wall approach has NEVER really worked. I think they should watch this and hold focus groups for exclusively for fans of the comic books and - separately for the movie fans- and do an analysis of BOTH. Find a way to at least date the two if not marry. Without this, fans feel totally disrespected and will NOT spend the movie dollars they're looking for. At best you'll get rental dollars. However, good luck with THAT , because bad news travels FAST...😒
💯 It’s been Disney’s problem with the MCU after Endgame, and I’m hoping Disney doesn’t think Wolverine and Deadpool did well bc it dragged from the bottom of the barrel of fan service…I mean who wanted Elektra back? Seriously. The MCU needs to get back to its roots and adapt comics faithfully but with fresh perspectives that work as great movies. Sony has been clueless about this since Venom was halfway enjoyable.
Sony needs to just give up. Other than the Venom movies, they have produced only flop after flop. And even the last Venom didn't do all that well. They either need to completely replace their team behind the movies, or just sell Spider-Man back to Marvel. As for the animated Spider-verse... just stay hands off and let them make whatever they want!
I think everyone here is ignoring the elephant in the room: Netflix. As long as Netflix is around, they will continue their stated mission of becoming a monopoly, and that means death for larger Studios like Disney. When fighting this streaming war, a company needs 2 things, 1) Peak programming to draw people in. That's why Netflix is trying to "become HBO faster than HBO can become HBO". 2) A massive library to keep people there once they've joined. For Netflix, that means the huge number of old TV shows and movies they can license from smaller studios. Disney is certainly keeping up in the first category, but they only have so much to draw on with their own library and Hulu's ever shifting catalog. To really fight off Netflix, they need to buy up some of these smaller studios Netflix has been working with, and the biggest one of those is Sony. So the real conversation shouldn't be about what's Sony going to do, it's what's Disney.
Do i think sony should just give the spidey ip to marvel and just have it set up so they get a cut from any movie using thier ip yes do i enjoy the venom movies yes was madem web and morbius bad yes but kraven it was diffrent it was my type of movie do i wish it had more love put into yes but the way it was wrote is my type of style so i personally enjoyed the movie but it would have been better if the writers had more heart in the character and it had a better budget and wasent made through greed
Does anyone think Tom Hanks should dress as Walt Disney and do that speech from saving Mr banks about selling the rights to Mary poppins but instead say Peter Parker and see if that convinces Sony?
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All Madame Web had to do was have Sydney Sweeney and Isabela Merced in their spider woman suits more and it would have been a success 🤷🏻♂️😂
Ain’t lying tho lmfao Sydney gonna play black cat hopefully tho
only reason why I went to see it lmao
@@tupac1191 hopefully! 😂 plus Isabela as Hawkgirl, its not 🔥🔥 but it's still something
@@Guerreropowerr same 😂 and all we had to do was rewatch the trailer
I mean I’d rather see Sydney Sweeney out of the suit if you now what I mean 😂😂
What's also sad, so many people don't know that Sony's movies aren't Marvel😅
They are MARVEL movies
@@abderrahimbakir3294 They're Marvel movies in the sense that they're movies made in association with Marvel Entertainment based on characters from Marvel comics. But they're not Marvel movies in the sense that they're not owned or made by Marvel Studios. So it depends what you call a Marvel movie.
Marvel adjacent?
They're not MCU/Marvel Studios movies but they are Marvel. You're the one getting it wrong.
@@dubbmoonbut there are people who still think these sony movies are made by marvel studios
Yeah, like Colton's saying, I honestly can't fathom why Sony doesn't just license the IP to Disney. You get gobs of money and you don't have to spend any on actors, writers, directors, etc? How is that even a choice for them? Just mind-blowingly dumb on Sony's part
Yea cuz disney been doing so hot lately 😂😂😂😂 and no deadpool and wolverine doesnt count before the deadpool franchise already popular before disney got in the way
@@DawnstealerGaming maybe just maybe Disney doesn't want to do it. Maybe they're hoping Sony will sell Spiderman to them for a cheaper price
If you were Sony, you would not give up either. So stop hurting.
@@kellycriterion1019 lmaoooo if any of us were Sony, the movies would be good because we're not detached from reality. So we wouldnt need to give it up.
@WilbertMoore You speak as such because you are outside the system🤣A person not playing the match usually sees the mistakes of the players but let him play and you will get to see his numerous and more mistakes.
I really love that Colton's long running kayfabe of taking off his earphone whenever he is introduced by Ryan. Youre awesome Pinkman!
Definitely a great touch 😂
Sony has the easiest thing they can do, which is "we will not extend this contract with holland's spider-man unless you let us make films using garfield and macguire." With DC having 2 seperste batman universes theres no reason sony cant make more films with Garfield or Mcguire
There is a reason, and it’s poor quality from the studio. They can’t do anything right 😂
Sony doesnt need anyones permission they still own spiderman 100% if they really wanted to they could have made spiderman movies with garfield or mcguire
You are right. ✅️
Why does Spiderman have to be in any of these damn movies?!?
The "For now" tag at the end of statement gives me an uneasy feeling about this. I wouldn't be surprised that after Avengers Secret Wars that Sony will announce that they'll resume their adjacent Spider-Man films for the foreseeable future. The only good part about this is that Kevin Feige has said recently that he plans of introducing Miles Morales in the MCU presumably after Secret Wars since he still wants to focus on Peter now. But Miles probably can't be a member of the Young Avengers/Champions if that team's story will be told as a Disney+ series. So, it looks like he'll be introduced in MCU Spider-Man 5 and just go on from there.
I can’t believe it took like 7 or 8 films to fucking realise they are not doing anything right 😂
It didn't take that long. People have been saying that.
@ so you’re telling me that we didn’t get Venom 1, 2 and 3, Morbius, Madame Web and Kraven? Maybe you misread my comment but SONY has been ignoring us fans for years.
@nomad_wm ah, yes. Sony should have known for sure. Pretty sad honestly. I agree with the reviewers that this really had potential even without Spider-Man.
It was about greed. They thought they could create more franchises with multiple villains
Lol Colton's so fired up that this might be the first time Tommy isn't the most wild person on camera. He was hot boi. Love the trio.
Mobius and Madam web did not belong in theaters or even paid streaming services. They were big budget Tubi movies
"Sony can't keep getting away with this!" - Colton "Pinkman" Ogburn
I love Colton's hair is this the way he met his wife. Hair cut looks good😄
Amazing Spiderman 2 was a complete bomb so Sony making a solo Spiderman movie is not a certified hit
“Witchcraft,” got me so much more than it should have. You win this one ScreenCrush.
SIX SSU movies and only one mention of “Spider-man”…crazy
I don't think the fans are going to support Sony taking Spider-Man from the MCU. Enough people will boycott the movies that it will not make the money they want it to.
Real spiderman fans will watch spiderman movies regardless most mcu fans aint real spiderman fans
@@dariuschisholm7317but are there more Spider-Man fans than mcu fans that still make it as profitable? I’d watch it, I’ve also put myself through all of these movies as I enjoy the pain, but at the end of the day money is all Sony cares about
@dariuschisholm7317 I'm a real Spider-Man fan, I have not seen any of the Sony, not Spider-Man movies, in the theater. Based on sales, I'm not the only one. If they cared about Spider-Man, they would make a Spider-Man movie. They have a spiderverce of Spider-Men they can use minus one, but they don't. How cool would a Spider-Man 2099 movie be? Other than the Spiderverce movies, their creativity is gone. I don't think it will come back just because they have Peter Parker to use.
@markfields5214 what i want a black cat movie
@ScottyDo3sntKnow you say that like all studios dont care about money🤣😒🙄
Colton looks so handsome with his new haircut. It appears to be Colton is coming into his own and stepping out of the background. He seems to have adopted a whole new boost in his presence and assurance with his perspectives, opinions, and critique. I love this whole new reinvention and attitude. I hope he embraces it, and this is our new rising star.
0:00 Madam Web: Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? 😂
Morbius: same thing that happens to everything else
@@Swan234 I forgot that movie even existed! 🥴
What I don't get is why they've never used any of the Spider adjacent heroes like Silver Sable, Black Cat or someone else
Sony over here committing warcrimes on the Marvel characters
Disney marvel been doing that for years
That’s great news, and it better start in the ground like it should have been in Years and let’s hope that 3 Year Break is permanent and then go 5 Year so Sony will give the rights back to marvel, let’s Celebrate.
Yea no real spiderman fan wants disney getting their hands on him
I agree that the ideal scenario is to expand the Spider-Man deal to ALL of the Spider-Man characters. But in my heart of hearts, I just want Disney to buy them out so badly.
Not Sony finally realizing that Spider-Man is the LITERAL nexus being (anchor being) of their Spidey flicks, and the sans-Spider-Man Spidey flicks are LITERALLY dying!!! Sony should just make like the TVA and prune these sans-Spider-Man Spidey flicks!!! 😭😭😭
One thing I'm surprised more people aren't suggesting, and you all might know since you have a relationship with the people who wrote "MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios", is that maybe the reason Sony greenlit all these movies is just as an insurance policy to keep the rights. That is to say, Sony's license for Spider-Man (the original 1990s one) was written as a "use it or lose it" contract. So Sony needs to keep a Spider-Man movie in production at all times to prevent the rights from reverting to Marvel. Obviously they satisfy this requirement by making Tom Holland MCU films, but maybe they just want to be safe in the event Marvel has some delays that prevent them from cranking out the next Tom Holland picture.
The money Sony makes on just one MCU Spider-Man film more than washes out all their losses on these movies (and some of them make a profit), so it makes financial sense for them to keep cranking out stinkers that are technically Spider-Man movies.
Also when did we find out that Sony isn't allowed to use Spider-Man in live action under the new deal? I feel like that was only ever reported after the second edition of "MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios" came out.
During my orientation at an international big box my trainer said "You may think your job is to sell (redacted - I could get fired otherwise). Your job is to make money." He went on "How is our competition?" Some people offered up other companies, and said "Yes, and who else? Anywhere people spend money that's not here."
Ryan, my summer child, large corporations no longer care about what they make, only what it makes them. Witness Disney squeezing Star Wars or Netflix deleting legitimately wonderful (if niche) shows because they didn't gain Eyes fast enough. At one time what you said was true but not anymore once you move past a moderately sized indie company.
What was the last MCU based video game that was any good? The best next step imo is to trade. Disney tells Sony they can keep the animated Spiderverse and all video games, but if Sony gives back SM and all related characters then they gain the rights to make all future Marvel games. As well as a percentage of the movies those characters are in. Neither Marvel nor DC have incorporated video games as part of their extended universes. Marvel writers write the stories of the games so they stay in canon, but they let Sony do what they’re actually good at and make the game. Then they can have games as another branch of storytelling within the MCU.
Adrian Tooms is now stuck in a dead universe thanks to the Morbius post-credit scene/plot hole.
Well he came from a dying universe which will show when cap 4 flops
Made my day 😂😂😂
He was never available to marvel outside of Sony anyway he was part of the Spider-Man deal. That’s why they killed mysterio
Can't Sony just reset and keep Spiderman away from the MCU after the MCU reset. Make the next main Spiderman Miles Morales, Peter Parker the older Spiderman, like the video game. Than build a proper Spiderverse from it.
1:44 Ahh the good old times
It felt right
What I don’t understand is why wasn’t the third Spider-Man movie used as a jumping off point for Toby or Andrews Spider-Man to lead the Sony universe? Like that’s such an alley oop to me
Colton with short hair looks good. Is as if Bruce Willis and DiCaprio had a baby named Colton.
I wonder sometimes if the people making the movies shouldn't buy characters. They should buy STORIES. Each one of these should have had Spider Man fighting the villain in an adaptation of their best appearance in the comics. AND THEN it would build up to a Sinister Six, Avengers style crossover ensemble.
The Rhino CGI was the worst I've seen since 1998, AND WHO TF?? The foreigner?? 🤣🤣🤣 I'm going to watch Sonic 3 twice just to offset the fact I went to see Kraven. So sad
God I hate social media, someone is always trying to sell you sh*t.
They should make a deal where it’s a negotiated split, but Sony handles the video games and the cartoons and Disneys handles the live action. And they have to work together to maintain the stories. An Avengers game done like the 3 Spider-Man games would be awesome.
THANK YOU! for saying Venom could have carried his verse, I would love for you guys to make a video of how he could have done that (venom has a whole world of symbiotes) if they focused purely on the 3 movies with venoms and brocks relationship and by the third movie brock ends up dying and for the first time venom shows true sadness and is left to find a new host, its also shown that a symbiote called for more of their kind to come to earth, now the earth is facing a symbiote invasion. A ship of symbiotes is seen coming into view right before the movie ends. [I have way more to say but that would have been cool]
Colton is looking way better with his new haircut! 👍
Wow almost didn't recognized colton different person with a cut
I just dont understand why sony is not limiting themselves to tom holland in their mcu deal. Do a spiderman 4 or a amazing spiderman 3 to conclude the tobeyverse and andrewverse. They will obviously come back to play the character. They could combine andrew with the venomverse and make a 688 sinsiter six movie with andrew garfield
Why the hell wont Sony do this is they want to do Spider-Man movies. Keep Holland in the MCU and do the Sinister Six movie set in the Sony verse. We all know that they live in different universes. Why is it so hard?!?
10:58.... uhhh... actually.... Arby's DOES have burgers. I really like their Big Cheesy Bacon Burger myself. That being said... I still get your analogy. 😁👍👍
Omg I was looking for this 😅 I get the analogy also but I still like me a Arby’s cheeseburger
What channel is Colton on? 😉 Looking good dude
Imagine if Marvel/Disney, after the end credits scene with Thanos that they completely dropped that story line and never mentioned Thanos ever again? This is what Sony is doing with their Spider-Man adjacent "movies" with the "teases"
Unfortunately, we still have to suffer through Spider-Man Noir. But Spider-Man 4 and Beyond the Spider-Verse being down the pipeline gives me hope.
my favorite videos are always the ones with the three of yall talking, love seeing Tommy. and i gotta say Colton's lookig hella sharp with the buzz cut!
I like the point that we spend a lot of money on movies and quality between movies is not same. We pay the same amount for for each movie but don't get the same quality and as a movie goer we deserve to have better quality movies. A family of 4 will spend easily over $100 just to watch a movie these days, and let's make their money worth it.
Can you do a video of options of what storyline would potentially have worked for a SONY Venom-centered Universe that would have incorporated the other Spiderman IP?
I'm a firm beleiver that the only reason Sony made any of these films was to make it harder for Marvel to make Spiderman films. The end goal was for Marvel to make a bad Spiderman film, Sony would try and take him back and insert him into this unverse of characters they've wasted a lot of money on.
23:55... i belly laughed out loud. that Tommy is quick!
Sony film execs behave like they're from the 1920s, and think audiences are incredibly naïve. They have no idea that their entire philosophy on filmmaking has been the butt of satirical jokes for decades. These are people who don't realize blatant product placement and "this is how the kids behave right?" moments are obnoxious and transparent. These rich idiots must live in such an insane bubble.
"Sony Kills the Spider-Man "Villain-Verse"...For Now"
If there is a God in heaven, may he smite down any Sony exec who even suggests another Sony Picture live action Spidey villain project.
None of these movies feel connected… and I didn’t even see them all. The arrogance of Sony to not only put out bad stories for each film, but to expect us to believe that they were building a connected universe.
I am hopeful for the future of the Spider -mam character. Because now with Tom Holand's name and pull he won't allow his character to move in a bad way. Tom Holland expressed how he was very involved the next film.
I feel Sony could have something good if they make a Spider Verse franchise with different live action spider men/women in their universes, doing their own interconnected story, maybe crossover with the MCU, possibly do villain movies and make them villains/anti heroes depending on the character, and have a plan in place.
I don’t mind the current Sony verse we have but I think if they want this idea of King in Black or a Sinister 6 to work, they need to take a step back and revaluate.
When the Spider-Man film rights were sold to Sony, Marvel retained the rights for toys, animated (under 1-hour) and live-action (under 30-mins) television (non-feature).
Finally someone at Sony is using their brain.
Not sure if you all are forgetting how awesome The Spiderverse is. It is by far the best Spiderman story on film! and that was SONY. Let them cook...
I think that an invisible spider man in these movies would work ... then make a deal for Spiderman to low-key vaugely mention his interactions with them in his movies
Like show web desolving in the afternoon math
Sony finally killed the spunk it was a crime of passion
They have some other spider heroes. I suspect that Disney has locked down Miles Morales, but the Spider-Verse comics introduced a lot more spider-heroes that aren't Peter Parker or Miles. They could always use this.
By having heroes, then they can let their villains be villains. Instead of trying to make them all anti-heroes.
I think the fact that they are making a Spider-man Noir show with the only stipulation that Spider-man can't be Peter Parker, its only cheapness and laziness that we don't have a Spider-man 2099 project.
Imagine if Wanda comes back for Secret Wars and KRAVEN Pietro pops up from the Sonyverse. Same goes with Hydra Captain America and Tony Doom. Everyone you think is an ally isn’t. It would have the 616 characters on the back foot. And Captain America doesn’t necessarily have to be the Hydra one either. There was another Earth where the Avengers were not the good guys and left their Earth to die during an incursion. They came to 616 pretending to be heroes.
Colton and these close calls tho 😂😂😂
I completely agree with Colton here. Who even thought any if these sony movies would succeed? Venom was a villian whos popularity surpassed some of the best know heroes even and they had tom hardy putting everything which made them better. Did they really think it was their amazing decisions that made venom a hit?
I can see Colton has finally gave up on the struggle. Feel for you, man.
They really should let the Spider-Man Noir TV series be a fresh start.
I wish they’d focus on more projects like that (& get better live-action writers) instead of the anti-hero Sinister Six they were doing.
- Spider Noir
- TASM/Andrew Garfield
- Spider-Gwen
- Spider-Man 2099
- Scarlet Spider/Ben Reilly
- Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew
- Spider-Punk
- Silk
- Ghost Spider
There’s several spider heroes that haven’t been done yet in live-action.
You can have them set in their own universes free to their own continuity up until a live-action Spider-Verse movie where they all crossover & Madame Web is introduced.
If they got Emma Stone for Gwen, it’d make for a touching moment between Andrew & a variant of his lost love.
I’d like to see Miles Morales, but I kinda want him to be in the MCU at the end of Tom Holland’s run when his Peter Parker retires/dies.
Hey Ryan, since we are from the corporate perspective on these IP characters and adaptions, can you another similar of another adaptions like the new Harry Potter series and the challenges it posses and what drastic or polarising decisions they might make?
Short animation where Aunt May has the power cosmic is watchable.
10B for Spider-Man and ALL the other IP Sony has? Reportedly close 900 characters?
I don't get why they don't simply hedge their bets. If they can't have Tom Holland be in their own movies at the same time as they have him in the MCU, why not keep Holland in the MSU and make Garfield their Sony Spidey. Garfield seems to have enough fan enthusiasm. Certainly more than simply not having a Spiderman in the Sonyverse, and they don't risk spoiling the thing they have going with the TH Spiderman in the MCU.
5:11 Shocker 😂 please let that pun be intended.
My marvel timeline: 12/13/24 update
-The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me.
-All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order.
-Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself).
-I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps.
-The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list.
--infinity saga--
1. Iron man
2.iron man 2
3.Incredible Hulk
4. The consultant (*marvel one shot)
5. Funny thing happened (*)
6. Thor
7. Capt. America
8. Agent Carter (*)
•[@-Agent Carter saga]
9. Avengers
•[A@-AOS S1:E6]
10. Item 47 (*)
•[%-Cloak and dagger S:1]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:1]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:2]
•[DS@-Luke Cage S:1]
•[%-Cloak and dagger S:2]
•[DS@-Iron Fist S:1]
•[DS@-The Defenders]
•[DS@-The Punisher S:1]
•[A@-AOS S1:E2-5]
•[A@-AOS S1:E7]
•[A@-AOS S1:E10-16]
11. Capt. America & winter soldier
•[A@-AOS S1:E17-22]
12. Thor: dark world
•[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8]
•[A@-AOS S1:E1]
13. Iron man 3
14. All hail the king (*)
15. Guardians of the galaxy
•[A@-AOS S2:E1-19]
16. Avengers: age of ultron
•[A@-AOS S2:E20-22]
•[A@-AOS S1:E9]
17. Ant man
•[A@-AOS S3:E1-19]
18. Capt. America: civil war
•[A@-AOS S3:E20-22]
•[@-Inhumans]
•[%-Ghostrider]
•[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance]
•[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-22]
•[%-Helstrom]
19. Black panther
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2]
•[DS@-Luke Cage S:2]
•[DS@-Iron Fist S:2]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:3]
•[DS@-The Punisher S:2]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3]
20. Spider man: homecoming
21. Guardians of the galaxy 2
22. Dr. Strange
•[%-Runaways]
•[A@-AOS S:5 E:1-6(WIP)]
23. Thor: ragnarok
24. Infinity war
25. Ant man & the wasp
26. Capt. Marvel
27. Endgame
---after tony saga---
28. Spider man: far from home
29. Thor: love and thunder
30. Falcon and the winter soldier
31. Black widow
32. Hawkeye
33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special
34. Guardians of the galaxy 3
35. Echo
36. Shang-chi
37. She hulk
38. Wakanda forever
39. Secret invasion
40. Moon knight
41. Werewolf by night
42. Wandavision
--multiverse saga--
43. Loki S:1
44. What if S:1
45. Quantumania
46. Loki S:2
47. What if S:2
•[$%-Madame web]
48. Venom ($)
49. Into the spider verse ($)
50. Venom 2 ($)
•[%-Spider man 1-3]
•[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2]
51. Spider man: no way home
•[$%-Morbius]
52. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness
53. Across the spider verse ($)
54. Venom 3 ($)
•[$%-Kraven]
55. Ms. Marvel
56. The marvels
•[@-X-men ‘96]
57. X-men ‘97
58. What if S:3 (€)
•[%-Fox X-men saga]
•[%-The New mutants]
•[%-Legion]
•[%-The Gifted]
59. Deadpool
60. Deadpool 2
•[%-Fox Daredevil]
•[%-Elektra]
•[%-Lionsgate Punisher]
•[%-Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)]
•[%-Rise of the silver surfer]
•[%-Blade Trilogy]
61. Wolverine and Deadpool
62. Agatha all along
63. The Eternals
64. Capt. America: brave new world(€)
65. Thunderbolts(€)
-Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watch in progress (WIP).
-I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline.
Unreleased content as of 12/13/24:
1.Thunderbolts(€)
2.Capt. America: brave new world(€)
3.Fantastic 4
4Avengers: Doomsday
5.Avengers: Secret wars
6.Daredevil: born again
7.Ironheart
8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man
9.Marvel zombies
10.eyes of wakanda
11.Xmen97 S:2
12.What if… S:3(€)
13.Wonder man
14.Spider-man Noir
15.Dr. Strange 3
16.Spider-man 4
17.The Midnight sons
18.Blade?
€-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). I am also predicting “What if…” S:3 will take place after X-men ‘97 due to the appearance of the watcher. If this is not the case, I will move it to its correct space in the timeline.
@-stand-alone sagas/episodes that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline.
%-included for the hell of it. You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos.
I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. Leigion, the runaways and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga (They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline). The Ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger. Madame web, Kraven, and Morbius can all suck a fat one. You don’t have to watch them but they add to a dark time in the multiverse saga.
A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline.
DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline.
$-Sonyverse aka trash.
Let me know what you think and enjoy the list!
P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2.
May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
@@Rtd976 Which is the Tony Saga?
@ it’s after his death but before the multiverse saga
@ My marvel timeline: 12/24/24 update (All content up to date up to the release of Thunderbolts*)
-The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me.
-All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order.
-Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself).
-I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps.
-The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list.
--infinity saga--
1. Iron man
2.iron man 2
3.Incredible Hulk
4. The consultant (*marvel one shot)
5. Funny thing happened (*)
6. Thor
7. Capt. America
8. Agent Carter (*)
•[@-Agent Carter saga]
9. Avengers
•[A@-AOS S1:E6]
10. Item 47 (*)
•[%-Cloak and dagger S:1]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:1]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:2]
•[DS@-Luke Cage S:1]
•[%-Cloak and dagger S:2]
•[DS@-Iron Fist S:1]
•[DS@-The Defenders]
•[DS@-The Punisher S:1]
•[A@-AOS S1:E2-5]
•[A@-AOS S1:E7]
•[A@-AOS S1:E10-16]
11. Capt. America & winter soldier
•[A@-AOS S1:E17-22]
12. Thor: dark world
•[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8]
•[A@-AOS S1:E1]
13. Iron man 3
14. All hail the king (*)
15. Guardians of the galaxy
•[A@-AOS S2:E1-19]
16. Avengers: age of ultron
•[A@-AOS S2:E20-22]
•[A@-AOS S1:E9]
17. Ant man
•[A@-AOS S3:E1-19]
18. Capt. America: civil war
•[A@-AOS S3:E20-22]
•[@-Inhumans]
•[%-Ghostrider]
•[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance]
•[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-22]
•[%-Helstrom]
19. Black panther
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2]
•[DS@-Luke Cage S:2]
•[DS@-Iron Fist S:2]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:3]
•[DS@-The Punisher S:2]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3]
20. Spider man: homecoming
21. Guardians of the galaxy 2
22. Dr. Strange
•[%-Runaways]
•[A@-AOS S:5 E:1-11]
23. Thor: ragnarok
•[A@-AOS S:5 E:12-22]
24. Infinity war
•[A@-AOS S:6 E:1-13]
25. Ant man & the wasp
•[A@-AOS S:7 E:1-13]
26. Capt. Marvel
27. Endgame
---after tony saga---
28. Spider man: far from home
29. Thor: love and thunder
30. Falcon and the winter soldier
31. Black widow
32. Hawkeye
33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special
34. Guardians of the galaxy 3
35. Echo
36. Shang-chi
37. She hulk
38. Wakanda forever
39. Secret invasion
40. Moon knight
41. Werewolf by night
42. Wandavision
--multiverse saga--
43. Loki S:1
44. What if S:1
45. Quantumania
46. Loki S:2
47. What if S:2
•[$%-Madame web]
48. Venom ($)
49. Into the spider verse ($)
50. Venom 2 ($)
•[%-Spider man 1-3]
•[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2]
51. Spider man: no way home
•[$%-Morbius]
52. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness
53. Across the spider verse ($)
54. Venom 3 ($)
•[$%-Kraven]
55. Ms. Marvel
56. The marvels
•[@-X-men ‘96]
57. X-men ‘97
•[%-Fox X-men saga (release date order)]
•[%-The New mutants]
•[%-Legion]
•[%-The Gifted]
58. Deadpool
59. Deadpool 2
•[%-Fox Daredevil]
•[%-Elektra]
•[%-Lionsgate Punisher]
•[%-Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)]
•[%-Rise of the silver surfer]
•[%-Blade Trilogy]
60. Wolverine and Deadpool
61. Agatha all along
62. Eternals
63. Capt. America: brave new world(€)
64. Thunderbolts(€)
65. What if S:3
-I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline.
Unreleased content as of 12/24/24:
1.Thunderbolts(€)
2.Capt. America: brave new world(€)
3.Fantastic 4
4Avengers: Doomsday
5.Avengers: Secret wars
6.Daredevil: born again
7.Ironheart
8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man
9.Marvel zombies
10.eyes of wakanda
11.Xmen97 S:2
12..Wonder man
13.Spider-man Noir
14.Dr. Strange 3
15.Spider-man 4
16.The Midnight sons
17.Blade?
€-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). I am also predicting “What if…” S:3 will take place after X-men ‘97 due to the appearance of the watcher. If this is not the case, I will move it to its correct space in the timeline. (Edit: moved “what if” to new slot due to the appearance of the eternals, Agatha harkness, and characters that have made appearances, up to the release of season 3)
@-stand-alone sagas/episodes that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline.
%-included for the hell of it {You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos.
I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. Leigion, the runaways and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga (They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline). The Ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger. Madame web, Kraven, and Morbius can all suck a fat one. You don’t have to watch them but they add to a dark time in the multiverse saga}.
A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline.
DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline.
$-Sonyverse, aka trash (Venom and the spiderverse flicks are cool, but the rest suck).
Let me know what you think and enjoy the list!
P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2.
May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
If they’re gonna do a true center of sex or just Spider-Man, they need to make it a trilogy that way you can build every single villain character and make an epic fight. Hell you could bring Miles into it and make the second one really tragic for Peter.
Imagine owning the movie rights to spiderman but not being able to use him and refusing to sell them.
Feige should let Sony have Spider-Man back after Secret Wars and put forth a solid effort towards the Mutant Saga.
8 min in and three ads already? Wtf is happening with RUclips nowadays?
The tv show The Penguin proved you can have villians just be evil with no redeeming qualities and it works.
The penguin didnt need to lean into batman and we only got the bat sign at the end of the show, but it served a purpose and you knew it meant penguin will get his comeuppance. Sony just drop IP in for trailers. Must be a nightmare for the creators.
The Wrestler will forever be the Aunt May solo movie in our hearts
Looks like Colton got out of the television for a haircut!!
i wonder what made more, the mcu spiderman collabs or the spider villain + verse movies. seems clear but i wonder what the numbers are.
Sony should just focused on the animated Spider-Man films. Like what they're doing with the Spiderverse movies. If the guys behind the Spidey PS games can make great stories there's no reason they can't do that in the films as well.
My favorite part in Kraven was when Kraven actually slapped everyone from the Spider-Verse.
no Aunt May movie? but they could've given her cosmic powers and called her Golden Oldie
I REALLY enjoyed this! It came from a perspective that I hadn't even thought about. I heard Madame Web was hot trash but have never seen it. I thought Morbius could've been MUCH better but to round that out would've included a longer running time. Long running times can be the "kiss of death" for a movie unless it's very involving. I believe a lot of Sony's incentives are dollar driven with no real regard for true fans - comic book or otherwise. Making movies with the mud on wall approach has NEVER really worked. I think they should watch this and hold focus groups for exclusively for fans of the comic books and - separately for the movie fans- and do an analysis of BOTH. Find a way to at least date the two if not marry. Without this, fans feel totally disrespected and will NOT spend the movie dollars they're looking for. At best you'll get rental dollars. However, good luck with THAT , because bad news travels FAST...😒
💯 It’s been Disney’s problem with the MCU after Endgame, and I’m hoping Disney doesn’t think Wolverine and Deadpool did well bc it dragged from the bottom of the barrel of fan service…I mean who wanted Elektra back? Seriously. The MCU needs to get back to its roots and adapt comics faithfully but with fresh perspectives that work as great movies. Sony has been clueless about this since Venom was halfway enjoyable.
I agree, Colton looks like a bad ass lol I'm digging his new look. I was noticing a wardrobe difference for a while too. Looks good!
I wanna see the Uncle Ben solo prequel when he's just a rice harvester in the chinese countryside
They could have just leaned into a 'What If' universe of Spiderman not existing. Then it becomes like a vigilante or free for all universe
Like the fresh cut Colton
Shoulda added a Sacramento or San Francisco tour date.
Your trapped in a TV RUN!!!
Sony needs to just give up. Other than the Venom movies, they have produced only flop after flop. And even the last Venom didn't do all that well. They either need to completely replace their team behind the movies, or just sell Spider-Man back to Marvel.
As for the animated Spider-verse... just stay hands off and let them make whatever they want!
10:55 SHOTS FIRED!! 😅😅
I think everyone here is ignoring the elephant in the room: Netflix.
As long as Netflix is around, they will continue their stated mission of becoming a monopoly, and that means death for larger Studios like Disney.
When fighting this streaming war, a company needs 2 things,
1) Peak programming to draw people in. That's why Netflix is trying to "become HBO faster than HBO can become HBO".
2) A massive library to keep people there once they've joined. For Netflix, that means the huge number of old TV shows and movies they can license from smaller studios.
Disney is certainly keeping up in the first category, but they only have so much to draw on with their own library and Hulu's ever shifting catalog. To really fight off Netflix, they need to buy up some of these smaller studios Netflix has been working with, and the biggest one of those is Sony.
So the real conversation shouldn't be about what's Sony going to do, it's what's Disney.
Honestly, there’s so many similar spidermen in the spider verse, Disney should just make a deal and keep MCU spider and let Sony make their own.
Do i think sony should just give the spidey ip to marvel and just have it set up so they get a cut from any movie using thier ip yes do i enjoy the venom movies yes was madem web and morbius bad yes but kraven it was diffrent it was my type of movie do i wish it had more love put into yes but the way it was wrote is my type of style so i personally enjoyed the movie but it would have been better if the writers had more heart in the character and it had a better budget and wasent made through greed
Imagine if they made the El Muerto and Hypno Hustler movies?
Didn’t Man Bull appear in the She Hulk series?
Sony should get Joe Quesada as their Feige
Does anyone think Tom Hanks should dress as Walt Disney and do that speech from saving Mr banks about selling the rights to Mary poppins but instead say Peter Parker and see if that convinces Sony?
The stupid part about a sinister Six movie is that they already had 5 villains in No Way Home. They only needed one more to make it 6!