So your commercial takeover of Walt Disney, making Dumbo and Pinocchio, has failed because the corporation went BACK to make FAILING movies like those. They even let untested producers make those remakes to stress the point, and to see if such failures COULD resonate with modern audiences and succeed going STRAIGHT to streaming, instead of failing at box office and finding the VHS market success. This film tries on the audience that has been popping up watching alt hist and alien worldbuilding videos on RUclips. Turns yout, THAT crowd is STILL the actual nerds that you jocks hate, as ALL you notice is the "family dynamics", the gossip you care about. You jsut want the gossip to be some action witch hunt of a villain, AND you wnat ti to be "well promoted" so the apparatus controls you lieka puppet and TELLS you what to watch, because you won't FIND the obscure stuff on your own, like a capable, voting adult would. You have no business crying about Disney producing Mulan OR Strange world, because either case your buying power and community are TRASH. You're only JUST big enough to act entitled to the former glory of boomer days when Americans were bloating the value of their dollar SUCCESFULLY.
@Beneko '11 that also means heros are never as inspirational either. We have story of good vs evil, not because they are truly 1 to 1 comparisons of real life, but because they are meant to inspire people to be just as heroic. Which is why we see such ego centrism in much of today's media. The hero is not only already perfect, but because they are X identity, they are already perfect and only persecuted by those in power. Noone has to improve, noone has to fight or struggle. Which is why there has been few actual inspirational heros in today's day in age.
I think it was Zootopia. I was actually watching a video that was complaining that for a long time Disney had been stuck on the twist villain. This had gotten annoying because rather than having a villain you could get invested in hating like any of the memorable Disney villains you had a villain who hid in the background until late in the movie when they reveal themselves with a proper villainous monologue to make up for the fact that they received no character development for the entire movie because they were in the background. This has given way to generational trauma being the main villain and generational trauma is boring.
Opening line was a banger and literally also the very same experience I had. The movie was playing for 2 kids - 11 and 8 yr olds, excited to see the movie. They lost interest 20 mins in. Who the hell was the supposed demographic for this film, if the kids are bored with it?
Hard to say. Honestly, worst part was that the start of it looked like it could be promising. Have Jäger and Searcher be the main cast with teenage Searcher. I was interested in seeing those two at the start. There was some nice potential for conflict. As soon as that scene was over, the movie instantly fell flat. Really a pity the movie was this boring. Gotta wonder how they could mess it up this badly...
Seems kids these days don't have time to spend their attention. Either the electronics done did it or it wasn't anything they were interested. Ahem, something these companies fail to realize. Since they think old crusty white dudes are holding them back. But that's the hill they want to die on.
Maybe made for millenials with daddy/mommy issues? It's not for kids, because no focus on relatable character and it's also not for the average adult, because no depth of story or character development. So who's left? The Ideologues and Disney producers. It's made for the people who made the movie, like comics these days are not made for fans but for the in group friends of the comic "artist". In their own perception successfull, intelligent, important, but ultimately bored and wanting to do and be more and maybe even save the world while their at it.
I thought from the title this was a game. Several minutes into the video I thought this is an obscure movie then I realized this is a movie made by Disney.
It just baffles me how Disney is failing more and more to deliver a compelling story, when just a decade ago we had movies like tangled and wreck it Ralph.
Those were Disney started to fall apart on making compelling movies. The last great movies she made were Wall-E and Ratatouille. And both were from Pixar, which she killed it also.
@@DemonicRemption Chicken run ain't a Disney movie xD I'm assuming you mean chicken little, because hatred of chicken run would be a heinous crime. But yes, my personal theory is that Disney suffered a brain drain, as did many companies. One big element was the Hollywood writer's strike in the late 2000s, which led to a shift in the industry to not value writers as much generally. Another is the loss of DVD sales. DVD and VHS before it were a massive boon to Hollywood. Not only would it make a lot of money on successful movies, but even films that failed theatrically, or expected a small return, could make lots in DVD. This meant that companies could afford to have smaller projects that inexperienced creators could be put on, and improve their skills. When this backbone was lost, it meant that you no longer were training people to be good directors, writers, etc. It means that you also cannot take as much risk on original properties. The future is quite murky. Streaming is proving to be an unreliable business model. Perhaps there might be a physical media revival. People like having a collection of things that a company can't take away because they lost the rights or something. We'll have to see.
& then they followed up wreck it Ralph with literally the worst sequel of anything I’ve ever seen in my life, wreck it Ralph breaks the internet was everything wrong with corporations & out of touch boards of directors, seeing Miranda sings and memes that were out dated 6 years before the movie was so cringe & most of the references kids wouldn’t even know at the time because they were outdated then, I could just imagine the out of touch 50 year old men like “what are those me-me things the kids are talking about why don’t we put some of those in there”
How to train your dragon had a great father/son conflict - it can be done, but this wasn't it. Great review. Your nine year old knows boring when she sees it:)
Can we also talk about the artstyle? Everything feels so soft, save and homogeneous, it's... Icky. I don't know how to describe it exactly, it's like a bunch of sweaty people on a hot summer day. Everything's so round and pudgy and I hate it, where are the hard edges, where's the sharpness? Every character feels the same even if they look different because the shape language is just ***round***. This is like Calarts style but 3d somehow.
@@alex_mcclay Disney-Pixar animations just straight up suck these days, same homogeneous blob designs in every single movie, on the other hand, every time Dreamworks releases something I get excited simply for the fact that they are experimenting with style and trying something different...
For a story that they were trying to tell, it would be better for a Disney+ series than a movie. They would have more times to flesh out the characters.
Another reason why this tanked, albeit a minor one, is that a lot of people have, over the years, lost trust on Disney and it's products. They used to disguise their corporate heart in a veneer of family friendly products, but now everybody has seen through that veneer and sees the ugly, money hungry corporation underneath. And, much like Will Smith, it's gonna take them years if not decades to build their reputation back up to what it once were.
Their agenda is a large part of why people don't trust them though. Many parts of their agenda are not seen as "family friendly" (including the gay stuff, even if JSG doesn't believe it).
I mean I’m not sure how credible that reason is seeing as movies released recently encanto 2021 and moana 2016 zootopia 2016 has rave reviews and people even early last year were saying those movies restored faith in the company.
@@lilac3266 2016 is quite a long time ago. Of those movies, Moana was average, Zootopia's popularity seems to come from furverts, and nobody saw Encanto aside from avid Disney fans, since it was only released on Disney Plus. Overall, they're forgettable.
@@vlo4829 are you joking? encanto was one of the most watched of 2022 and literally broke records. Zootopia is still popular and again highly regarded. 2016 still fits in with the modern era since it was in the last decade
@@lilac3266ncanto bombed before it got popular. Nevermind it didn't. But it's not as popular as you think it is. Plus one movie in recent years isn't enough to put trust in Disney after all the bad content they put recently
The gay inserts and "diverse cast" were one of the only things mentioned about the film before it came out. For a growing number of people, regardless of political affiliation, those are becoming signals that the movie will be neither good nor fun. Even you seem to have at least some of that scepticism. This one may not have had "the agenda" in its content, but it checked all the warning signs, so I do think it deterred people, although we'll never know the extent. Audiences didn't know it was bad when it was released, so it had to be something else. It could be solely based on the lack of advertising, but I think the fact that the only "advertising" that did exist was about "queer representation" and "diversity" did keep people away. It certainly didn't HELP the movie at all. . Also, "the right" has consistently opposed homosexuality in children's media, so I don't really see the "gotcha" moment. If there are right-wing voices claiming they're okay with gays in kids stuff within certain parameters, I'm not aware of them and I'd consider them to be in the minority.
I dunno man, when I was a kid I loved watching my Grandma cook. She showed me at least half of what I know about cooking. She'd talk if I was talkative or she'd just sit with me and cook and let me watch. Honestly, most things aimed at kids struggle to compare to this sort of experience and I always think fondly of her in the kitchen to this day.
Encanto: generational trauma Turning red: generational trauma Strange world: generational trauma At least coco had an actual villian but it came pretty close to being generational trauma.
@@dragongamer4753 In defense of Encanto, at least they put that family conflict front and center, and never shied away from it. On top of that it gave the conflict weight and breathing room to sell the importance of what was going on.
@@dragongamer4753 I have not seen Coco myself, but have heard nothing but good things. Encanto IS fantastic though. It starts of fairly cliche, but the story and characters more than make up for it.
I for one like the fact that a nine-year-old girl found the making of banana pudding much more enjoyable and amusing than that movie. In my most humble opinion, there is nothing wrong with banana pudding.
I rather like banana pudding but I think I like rice pudding better. Though that might be because we don't use the same bananas the pudding was designed for. The only bananas used today are cavandish. However before like the 60s it was a different kind of banana but they were more or less made extenct by a disease or fungus. Though I've heard they actually tasted a lot better than the ones we use now.
@@greenliongirl07 My college roommate would make banana bread at least once a month with extra bananas I'd sneak out of the cafeteria. And that's how I gained my "college 15". I regret nothing.
Knowing your audience and how to get to them is crucial when you are trying to promote or grow anything. So for Disney not to even consider this when going over the plot of the movie caused it to be its major flaw. I guarantee you there were members in the group who figured children would watch for the pretty colors and we can make a movie about anything and they will be hooked. But, as you stated if you know children, they have small attention spans and are quick to bounce if they aren't hooked within the first few minutes. The key question that should have been asked and answered is Who is this meant for?
11:24 Well if we are being totally honest here banana pudding is pretty awesome so...😄 Disney movie or possibly getting to lick not just the spoon but also getting to scrape the bowl, I know what I'm picking.
Hesring your description in just the first minute i am left wondering "so they have all this tech, but they don't even know the world around them?" Sounds like illogical worldbuilding to not ever have explored but made such tdchmological breakthroughs
Yeah, that’s what I thought, too, just from an artistic point-especially since the characters are, apparently, human. They’re not Whos or little bug-people or something, there’s not the immediate disconnect that clicks to make you think “ah, okay, this is in no way supposed to be the ‘world outside my window,’” and (usually) implicitly signal the tone as being non-grounded enough that you should comfortably suspend your disbelief as to, say, how the Grinch and Whoville have all the trappings of a first world country without any factories or supporting infrastructure. The title font doesn’t help, looking like it belongs in a 40s adventure serial, when it’s almost a fantasy movie in a different genre and medium. It’s like…say you have a movie title/logo written in “Westminster,” the classic faux-computer readable typeface. You see that, and you’d assume it’s a sci-go flick, right? Or at least something to do with computers? But the movie is a high fantasy adventure film-not in any way science fiction. The most advanced piece of technology used is a stirrup. Immediate tonal confusion. Or you have a movie where the titles and poster text are all in blackletter…and it’s an “Avatar” sequel. EITHER “Avatar”-nothing gothic, old fashioned, or especially Teutonic to be found. You see? I mean, it’s nice to see them moving away from minimalistic “Ariel Black, All Caps,” but maybe some institutional knowledge has gotten lost in the lettering process…
I’m not really plugged into the movie world anymore, but I don’t recall any of my right wing movie guys claiming this film failed because of gay character number 1000. They point out the almost obligatory gay character, and roll their eyes at the check box, but mostly they chalk it up to being a bad, hacktavist movie that beats you over the head with environmental crap. Again, not claiming to be an expert, just what I have heard about it.
All the promotion I saw for this movie by " journalist " was OMG THERES A GHEY GUYS SO KEWL. I agree the movie isnt about that but you cant say they didnt try to make it like it was and some people decided to not even give it a go.
I disagree that kids wouldn't be able to relate to or at least empathize with an older character. Up is a prime example. I'm sure plenty of kids have lost older family members and could relate to the situation if not the perspective. A story about transferring generational dismissiveness actually sounds like a great idea. But as others as said, generational trauma might be a bit too overdone lately in Disney. And obviously Disney didn't care enough about this to advertise it more.
I feel "generational trauma" as the main focus and not overcoming ones own shortcomings might be bad messaging in general. All it does then is point a finger to blame as why you're the way you are. And continuously point at failure or lack of perspective as someone else's fault. Potentially you don't as a sequel maybe? But even then after a point it just becomes a blame game. Maybe doing a JBP and rescuing your father is a better method where you're doing generational healing but that takes a stronger character.
@@majdjinn5042 Well, as much as people like to blame others for their own mistakes. There's just as many people who don't want to take responsibility for being horrible to others and then shrugging it off as "your problem you couldn't just take the abuse/man up/blah blah blah". I think the message of the film was "your dad didn't care what you wanted, and now you're kinda doing some of the same to your own kid, maybe don't repeat the same mistakes". From what JSG described, Searcher's only shortcoming was repeating his dad's dismissiveness, which he did overcome. I don't know any of this for sure since I have no interest in watching it myself. But it sounds more interesting than Turning Red.
Up isn't about the character being old, though. Up is about him being lonely and overcoming his grief. Young people can relate to those feelings, but they're not going to relate to someone just being old. That's the trick: take what the adult is experiencing, then figure out how to simplify that into a theme that young people also experience. This is why shounen manga can have adult leads but still appeal to little kids.
For better animated adventure films from Disney, stick with such classics as The Rescuers, The Black Cauldron, The Rescuers Down Under, Aladdin, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, Moana, and more. In the case of non-Disney animated adventure films, check out Anastasia, The Prince of Egypt, The Road to El Dorado, Titan AE, Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas, the How To Train Your Dragon franchise (excluding the live-action remake), and more.
Never make a movie where you advertise it with same-sex-loving characters, for example. The story and characters are important where it should not matter if the characters and the story are either done before or different from the viewers. Kids never care about whatever sex-love the characters have, even if the characters are adults. The most kids would see is adults drinking beer and smoking cigarettes.
When I was in high school only the film and theater kids watched moonlight while no straight boy in a 10 mile radius would even go near the film. I mean granted, the gay stuff wasn't in any trailers and if you weren't watching right wing media you'd have no idea anything lgbt went on in the film.
@@hydevanhelsing5063 A single piece of advertisement for this film became plastered on my skytrain and it's the one of the grandfather, father and son in a literal tongue tie in 2022. Aside from that, only youtube could remind me this film existed
I recall watching this, and actually falling asleep mid way through. II recall thinking they were having the same trouble as the marvel stuff... namely, they don't know how to shut up and ever let the scene stew. Any serious moment is immediatly killed a minute later by instant comedy. For reference, lets look at the Lion King. The death of Mufasa, and Simba blaming himself. This comes with Scar rubbing slat in the wound, running for his life, and wandering the desert until it seems like he'll die. Only then do we get comic relief characters showing up and saving him, taking him back to their oasis. This gave time for the audience to digest the seriousness of the situation, and potential death, of which comic relief did what it was supposed to. Provide relief. But this? I don't think a serious scene ever went on for more than two minutes, before it shifted instantly to comedy. It didn't let anyone digest, it was just one scene into another. But ultimately, it was just boring
I'm starting to wonder if this is evidence of that notion that gender-swaps, race-swaps or gay characters are a method of making lesser movies "critic-proof". If you pont out weak points of plots or characters or direction you get accused of being phobic. Best gay character moment in an animated film? The high-school uber-jock out of "Paranorman" when the older sister asks him out to go see a romance film and he eagerly agrees because "my boyfriend never wants to watch those movies"... yay for banana pudding.
A lot of films with crap stories add in all the "woke" elements so they can hide behind them when it does not do well, so they can just use the excuse of "Well, you are just a bigot for not liking this!" when in reality the studio just made a shit film. We had good films made in Hollywood with strong female leads, queer characters, and non-white characters, yet what made them memorable was strong stories, great cinamatography, and nearly everything that made a "good" or "great movie.
@@robinthrush9672 Heck, go back a bit further to Fant4stic in 2015 which I believe is the appetizer because the media tried going after fans angry over the miscasted Michael B Jordan in the role of Johnny Storm trying to claim racism when in fact it's not faithful to the comics. Of course the film is bad on almost every other front but I think it started it and the Ghostbusters remake is the one that really cemented that going forward
So family dynamics removed and thrown out the window that actually a interesting story that I could do something with, I mean imagin finding out that you have been living on the back of a giant turtle for generations you could do quite a lot with that story (world of warcraft already did) but it sounds like that was used as the backdrop not the main story.
6:22 "what middle schooler do you know that cares about some old man's midlife crisis." Well, to be fair, that's what the Incredibles was about. Both, in a way. So was the recent Puss in Boots movie. They were both far better executed. Your point still stands (probably, haven't seen it) that the movie did too many things half baked at once and presented the subplot in a dull fashion. Anime can get away with some of the subplot traffic jam, but few can get away with being dull. Maybe this should've been a series to flesh out all the plots with pacing.
The way the movie is decribed. Would be if The incredibles had its plot. But we only saw the dad at his job. The movie blocking us to see the other family members using super powers.
The Incredibles was about family and recognizing your value. The mid-life crisis was a subplot Brad Bird used to tell that story, but it was specifically about the them of finding yourself. The same goes for The Incredibles 2. The reason they worked is because Mr. Incredible adn Elasti-girl are interesting and we follow their struggles. The whole "finding yourself" theme resonates also with kids, especially teens. As long as you don't jack up the story, it should click with an audience.
@@JustSomeGuy I don't think that it's entirely necessary for kids to have a direct frame of reference within their own experience to relate to something like middle aged man's daddy issues. At least on some level. As a young kid watching the episodes of BTAS that dealt with the death of Robin's parents I had no frame of reference for watching a child bear witness to his being orphaned and facing the prospect of taking that kid in. Even so I could wrap my head around it just enough to grasp the enormity and strangeness of it for both parties. That's all it took to make me strongly invested in seeing what came of it.
In Encanto, Mirabel served as the bridge between generations... knowing how the younger feel, and wanting to learn about what brought the family to where it was. She was also the main focal point of her movie. Ethan could have been that bridg, but they didn't care about him.
Exactly. Encanto was about family, and never tried to be about anything else. By doing so, it put the conflict front and center, and allowed each moment its time to breathe and feel important.
exactly people are saying ethan is like a half assed mirabel for a reason! The protagonist is meant to be the person you follow. Having 3 protagonists in one short movie makes for a mess of a story. Encanto has a large cast but mirabel is always the MAIN CHARACTER. all the characters get their focus without taking away from her story
@Lilacꨄ Having multiple focus characters isn't even a major issue, though. Even with other Disney movies, we have seen multiple protagonists with the camera shifting focus between them. It's a good way to inform on the dynamic between those characters or show how their knowledge of a situation is misaligned with one another. The Incredibles is a good example of this. But what this all requires is focus. If each perspective tells its own story, and these don't necessarily converge, it feels sloppy.
@@RotaAbyssian I probably worded that badly. I mean that for this movie and the way the story is structured 3 protagonists is just a bit overwhelming. I agree multiple protagonists can work but the problem w strange world is it doesn’t give any of the protagonists enough time to get attached to them. Whilst in movies like encanto every character gets enough focus that they’re memorable (like how camilo has 6 mins of screentime but ppl were obsessed)
Remember when Pixar gave us a 2 minute recap of an old man's life which broke every parents heart right before he tied a bunch of balloons to his house to go exploring? Disney doesn't. This movie sounds boring as hell.
Strange world is a basic but decent movie that got screwed by the executives like Iron Giant. Though I don't blame the kid for heading out; honestly what kid would relate to a grown man with daddy issues.
The one good thing about Strange World is that it serves as a lesson to other writers on how not to write a story. It had good bones, they just decided to use rotten meat. I mean... the turtle idea is interesting, it was just told in a way that was a total bore.
4:37 that was never the right who said that. That was always members left who were accused of being on the right for asking for quality and story telling over social agenda (ie people like you). The right has always openly been against even tasteful and subtle homosexuality, especially in kids' media. This is in no way hypocrisy or a "mask-off" moment. It's just a situation in which there are at least 3 sides, but people assert that there has to only be 2.
It's funny, one of my all time favorite Disney movie is A Goofy Movie since it has a great father and son relationship story with both being flawed yet relatable.
When JSG says "the right wing" these days I pretty much just assume he means Twitter opinions because I haven't run into anyone who makes the claims he says "the right wing" does outside of Twitter. The only advertising I saw for this movie outside of a handful of television ads was articles talking specifically about the gay characters. Not the usual "this looks like a great movie for kids and families" puff pieces you usually see. At least with Lightyear I saw some kids getting excited for it because it was loosely a Toy Story movie, but not much. This one was crickets with my nieces and nephews. My niece brought up how "everyone in kids movies is mad at their mom and dad" and I honestly don't think she is far from the point. It feels like there are no villains anymore other than blaming the previous generation. Characters aren't evil for the sake of being evil anymore, they're just misunderstood because they're upset because mommy and daddy didn't love them or they didn't get picked for the team 30 years ago. At the end of the day, It just feels like bland writing using tokenism as a shield to skirt criticism to me. Write better characters.
That last point you made is spot on, "you can't criticize us because we have (insert whatever minority here), you're just an ist and a phobe" Nobody (who's not crazy) cares what a person is as long as they're well written and unfortunately a lot of LGBTQ characters are written like crap (their entire personality is whatever box the writers are trying to check).
I mentioned in the video that I'm 40, so I've heard the "I don't know anybody like that" line before when it was about the right's bias towards black folks, latinos, asians, muslims, jews, middle-easterners, illegal immigrants, foreigners, feminists, and atheists, just to name a few. It's miraculous how no one ever knows anyone who's biased despite all the people harboring those biases. It's almost like you're not telling the truth...
@@JustSomeGuy or, those biases are rooted in out of context soundbites that get misconstrued into a straw man. If you make a claim about a group because someone who shares your bias told you or showed you something without context, but no one in that group has witnessed your claim, then they’re wrong and you’re right? You don’t even get the “don’t say gay bill” right. Every time you bring it up, the comments are full of people correcting you but you still cling to your misinformation. But yeah, you’re never in the wrong.
it feels like they don't make movies for the audience but rather themselves, cause that's the only reasonable way I can make any sense of this movie's apparent identity crisis
The main reason why it failed is the lack of advertising. When watching TV or RUclips videos, I rarely saw any ads for the movie. And in the rare times they showed the trailers, my reaction was “Meh.” In the video you stated the movie having a gay character isn’t the reason why it failed. While, I agree that it wasn’t THE REASON it failed, I think it was part of the reason. The news articles I’ve read about the movie mentioned more about the gay character than the actual plot of the movie.
I think the reason it wasn’t really advertised was BECAUSE of the gay character. He’s a main character and his sexuality is semi-plot relevant and they talk about it/show it in several scenes. They can’t just snip that stuff out for an international release without it being obvious something is missing.
From what I've heard this movie is excruciatingly boring. When you fail to keep the attention of children that's pretty bad. I saw plenty of adverts for this movie, it looked boring and generic. Side note, I was at Disney in January and I don't remember seeing any merch for this movie, it's obvious Disney knew this was gonna be a bomb.
you can't miss...."the message" in the movie either. which message? save the planet one. find an incredible resource....but it's killing the planet, use wind power instead.
Sad thing is that Disney will probably consider the lesson from this being “Feature length and feature quality animation isn’t worth the investment” and not “Family movies still need a competent story”. This is what happens when you have appeal to everyone, designed by committee media.
This movie sounds like it was supposed to have been one of those 90 minute three part tv pilot "movies" that they used to make when I was a kid 35 years ago.
I'd sooner watch an animated movie about JSG and his rift with the 9 year old who refused to watch a mediocre film. That had more tension, dynamics and characters than Strange World.
It's just weird how the first thing I heard about this film was outlets saying the movie had a character who liked other boys, and I didn't get why people were so happy that was the main Vocal point and was praising that and not the actual plot only vaguely mentioning it and than never saying anything more?? It had me PUZZLED
You said there is 3 story lines in the film and I was like wait don't you mean 4? But from what you described sadly what should have been a 4th story line was like I said in my other commen wasn't even a story it was just something that happened in the background, I mean personally if I found out we were living on the back of a live animal that would be a story all by itself heck it is its called Discworld (also really important to find out if its male or female as if it happens to be a female your civilisation could be wiped out come breeding time)
I'm still confused why this element was never found out naturally. The turtle doesn't abruptly stop, make noise, snore, earthquakes that aren't consistant. They have ships. But can't go high enough? No one made a baloon? No ones dug down and it get hurt? Astronemy wpule expose this. If the Turtle was intentinally hiding this. Than it would make sense. But it isn't. It needs more Truman show to work.
When you think the message is more important than a good story, you will shoot yourself in the foot. At least Atlantis the Lost Empire focused more on the adventure with unique characters aimed at kids.
5:33 This doesn’t surprise me. It gives Disney “representation clout” that they can also remove for Chinese markets very easily. We see the same kind of set up all the time. It’s rare to see an actual gay character or relationship that is expressing themselves openly in a Disney film these days. Not good for international markets
I liked looking at the world and its creatures, but it REALLY needed more worldbuilding to make it all fit, and I don't think they really thought that through more than the "the world is a living thing and we're killing it" environmental metaphor. For instance: Humans don't really fit the rest of the biology we see. How did they get there? Are they an odd evolutionary line on this tiny (on a global scale, anyway) habitable valley? Are they the descendants of space farers who crashed there and lost most of their past technology (which would also explain the ethnic diversity in a relatively small geographic region)? We don't really see any worldbuilding in that direction. This Pendo plant: Is that native, or another alien? It's pretty hard-core parasitic. But if it needed its roots to reach the core to survive, why didn't it take over earlier? Was it only held in check by the mountain cold on its emergent growth? Most plants grow upwards to gain access to sunlight, and yet Pendo feeds off a hist, and grew in caves too, so what is the point of those bulbs? We don't know, and I don't think they thought it through. And the giant turtle: What the hell do this thing's insides look like as a whole? They entered through a hole on its back, got into the lungs, went from there to the stomach (also, what does it eat that it needs that much stomach acid?), through the heart chamber, and THEN came out its mouth (meaning anything it eats passes by the heart before reaching the stomach). And no sign of internal valves/sphincters or muscular action to keep things moving. That is some funky internal anatomy that I don't think they really planned out overall. And more. The setting itself had a lot of potential, but they let it fall flat, just like a lot of other things in the movie.
I keep waiting for a movie where someone has an argument and a bad thing happens and everyone dies in the first fifteen minutes, sparing us all the rest of the nonsense.
The movie was even more lackluster than "Onward" (or whatever it was called). It feels like a painful attempt to create something fresh and original using the creators' childhood memories of themes like Pratchett's works or tabletop RPG, traveling in a body, you knwo nothign about the world surrand you but you thik you rule it...etc. Probably its not helping it is also supported by a soulless corporate machine that avoids taking risks or offending anyone so none of these topics wil lget explored too deep. The result is a creation that feels like it was generated by a lobotomized AI feed with generic ideas from the past. For instance, the significant twist in this film was that the world was a less intelligent version of Discworld, and the discovery was as unimportant as it could be. The movie has layers of themes, but they all fall flat. None of the characters are captivating, and there is neither a protagonist nor an antagonist. In summary, there is nothing substantial or noteworthy about this film while its have many interesting part its not tellign about those a thing.
Damn. If your target-audience would rather watch their parents make food (in this case, your 9-year-old daughter watching her mother make banana pudding) than watch a movie made by a multi-billion dollar company, you know you have dun'goofed.
I actually don’t get why they wouldn’t try to promote this movie - I hadn’t even heard about it (granted, that could be my fault). Is it precisely because they weren’t pushing “The Message” here? Did they not care? Have they forgotten how to promote a movie without preemptively playing the “straight white supremacist patriarchy” card, so with a movie that’s not so great no one knew what to do any more? I’m really confused by this one…
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Disney no longer knows how to promote anything and lost their touch with making movies. This is why DreamWorks deserves to stay on top of them!
Agreed. 2022 was definitely DreamWorks year for movies. The Bad Guys and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish were both good.
So your commercial takeover of Walt Disney, making Dumbo and Pinocchio, has failed because the corporation went BACK to make FAILING movies like those. They even let untested producers make those remakes to stress the point, and to see if such failures COULD resonate with modern audiences and succeed going STRAIGHT to streaming, instead of failing at box office and finding the VHS market success.
This film tries on the audience that has been popping up watching alt hist and alien worldbuilding videos on RUclips. Turns yout, THAT crowd is STILL the actual nerds that you jocks hate, as ALL you notice is the "family dynamics", the gossip you care about. You jsut want the gossip to be some action witch hunt of a villain, AND you wnat ti to be "well promoted" so the apparatus controls you lieka puppet and TELLS you what to watch, because you won't FIND the obscure stuff on your own, like a capable, voting adult would.
You have no business crying about Disney producing Mulan OR Strange world, because either case your buying power and community are TRASH. You're only JUST big enough to act entitled to the former glory of boomer days when Americans were bloating the value of their dollar SUCCESFULLY.
Their sister company also has Mario coming so Universal is sitting happy
They keep putting weird gay shit in all there movies now. People just don't want too see that crap.
Guillermo Del Toros Pinocchio is amazing
I'm actually impressed they managed to make every single character in this film unpleasant to look at.
something is wrong with the noses. like they are all related to Popeye
beauty is offensive
They got big noses that will make Julius Caesar blush
The weird eyes are the worst part.
@@ashlynbrown3728 Asterix and Obelisx agree. 😉😂
When was the last time Disney had a actual villian in their films?
It's been nothing but "misunderstood family dynamics". For decades now
@Beneko '11 that also means heros are never as inspirational either. We have story of good vs evil, not because they are truly 1 to 1 comparisons of real life, but because they are meant to inspire people to be just as heroic.
Which is why we see such ego centrism in much of today's media. The hero is not only already perfect, but because they are X identity, they are already perfect and only persecuted by those in power. Noone has to improve, noone has to fight or struggle. Which is why there has been few actual inspirational heros in today's day in age.
I think it was Zootopia. I was actually watching a video that was complaining that for a long time Disney had been stuck on the twist villain. This had gotten annoying because rather than having a villain you could get invested in hating like any of the memorable Disney villains you had a villain who hid in the background until late in the movie when they reveal themselves with a proper villainous monologue to make up for the fact that they received no character development for the entire movie because they were in the background. This has given way to generational trauma being the main villain and generational trauma is boring.
Mother Gothel? Is she Disney
@@beneko1127 that’s debatable on whether there are truly evil people
I completely agree. Boring.
Opening line was a banger and literally also the very same experience I had.
The movie was playing for 2 kids - 11 and 8 yr olds, excited to see the movie.
They lost interest 20 mins in.
Who the hell was the supposed demographic for this film, if the kids are bored with it?
Hard to say. Honestly, worst part was that the start of it looked like it could be promising. Have Jäger and Searcher be the main cast with teenage Searcher. I was interested in seeing those two at the start. There was some nice potential for conflict. As soon as that scene was over, the movie instantly fell flat. Really a pity the movie was this boring. Gotta wonder how they could mess it up this badly...
Seems kids these days don't have time to spend their attention. Either the electronics done did it or it wasn't anything they were interested. Ahem, something these companies fail to realize. Since they think old crusty white dudes are holding them back. But that's the hill they want to die on.
Maybe made for millenials with daddy/mommy issues?
It's not for kids, because no focus on relatable character and it's also not for the average adult, because no depth of story or character development. So who's left? The Ideologues and Disney producers. It's made for the people who made the movie, like comics these days are not made for fans but for the in group friends of the comic "artist". In their own perception successfull, intelligent, important, but ultimately bored and wanting to do and be more and maybe even save the world while their at it.
Your better off just showing them johnny quest or venture bros
I thought from the title this was a game. Several minutes into the video I thought this is an obscure movie then I realized this is a movie made by Disney.
It just baffles me how Disney is failing more and more to deliver a compelling story, when just a decade ago we had movies like tangled and wreck it Ralph.
Than Frozen, Zootopia and Moana
Those were Disney started to fall apart on making compelling movies.
The last great movies she made were Wall-E and Ratatouille.
And both were from Pixar, which she killed it also.
@@DemonicRemption Chicken run ain't a Disney movie xD I'm assuming you mean chicken little, because hatred of chicken run would be a heinous crime.
But yes, my personal theory is that Disney suffered a brain drain, as did many companies. One big element was the Hollywood writer's strike in the late 2000s, which led to a shift in the industry to not value writers as much generally.
Another is the loss of DVD sales. DVD and VHS before it were a massive boon to Hollywood. Not only would it make a lot of money on successful movies, but even films that failed theatrically, or expected a small return, could make lots in DVD.
This meant that companies could afford to have smaller projects that inexperienced creators could be put on, and improve their skills. When this backbone was lost, it meant that you no longer were training people to be good directors, writers, etc.
It means that you also cannot take as much risk on original properties.
The future is quite murky. Streaming is proving to be an unreliable business model. Perhaps there might be a physical media revival. People like having a collection of things that a company can't take away because they lost the rights or something. We'll have to see.
@@DemonicRemption you're a writer, what do you write?
& then they followed up wreck it Ralph with literally the worst sequel of anything I’ve ever seen in my life, wreck it Ralph breaks the internet was everything wrong with corporations & out of touch boards of directors, seeing Miranda sings and memes that were out dated 6 years before the movie was so cringe & most of the references kids wouldn’t even know at the time because they were outdated then, I could just imagine the out of touch 50 year old men like “what are those me-me things the kids are talking about why don’t we put some of those in there”
How to train your dragon had a great father/son conflict - it can be done, but this wasn't it. Great review. Your nine year old knows boring when she sees it:)
Can we also talk about the artstyle? Everything feels so soft, save and homogeneous, it's... Icky.
I don't know how to describe it exactly, it's like a bunch of sweaty people on a hot summer day. Everything's so round and pudgy and I hate it, where are the hard edges, where's the sharpness? Every character feels the same even if they look different because the shape language is just ***round***.
This is like Calarts style but 3d somehow.
It's been like this for a while now. Not a fan.
I've been sick of 3D animation for a while, it seems like there's just too much of it now. But maybe the problem is more that it all looks the same
@@alex_mcclay Disney-Pixar animations just straight up suck these days, same homogeneous blob designs in every single movie, on the other hand, every time Dreamworks releases something I get excited simply for the fact that they are experimenting with style and trying something different...
Your run down of the movie's plot points was more exciting than the movie itself.
For a story that they were trying to tell, it would be better for a Disney+ series than a movie. They would have more times to flesh out the characters.
Listen. Making banana pudding is top tier entertainment, sir...
Another reason why this tanked, albeit a minor one, is that a lot of people have, over the years, lost trust on Disney and it's products. They used to disguise their corporate heart in a veneer of family friendly products, but now everybody has seen through that veneer and sees the ugly, money hungry corporation underneath. And, much like Will Smith, it's gonna take them years if not decades to build their reputation back up to what it once were.
Their agenda is a large part of why people don't trust them though. Many parts of their agenda are not seen as "family friendly" (including the gay stuff, even if JSG doesn't believe it).
I mean I’m not sure how credible that reason is seeing as movies released recently encanto 2021 and moana 2016 zootopia 2016 has rave reviews and people even early last year were saying those movies restored faith in the company.
@@lilac3266 2016 is quite a long time ago. Of those movies, Moana was average, Zootopia's popularity seems to come from furverts, and nobody saw Encanto aside from avid Disney fans, since it was only released on Disney Plus. Overall, they're forgettable.
@@vlo4829 are you joking? encanto was one of the most watched of 2022 and literally broke records. Zootopia is still popular and again highly regarded. 2016 still fits in with the modern era since it was in the last decade
@@lilac3266ncanto bombed before it got popular. Nevermind it didn't. But it's not as popular as you think it is. Plus one movie in recent years isn't enough to put trust in Disney after all the bad content they put recently
Yo I don't blame her banana pudding is fire.
Yeah, if it's a really amazing banana pudding, it's worth watching how it's being made.
🤚 i forgot this movie exists.
The gay inserts and "diverse cast" were one of the only things mentioned about the film before it came out. For a growing number of people, regardless of political affiliation, those are becoming signals that the movie will be neither good nor fun. Even you seem to have at least some of that scepticism. This one may not have had "the agenda" in its content, but it checked all the warning signs, so I do think it deterred people, although we'll never know the extent. Audiences didn't know it was bad when it was released, so it had to be something else. It could be solely based on the lack of advertising, but I think the fact that the only "advertising" that did exist was about "queer representation" and "diversity" did keep people away. It certainly didn't HELP the movie at all.
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Also, "the right" has consistently opposed homosexuality in children's media, so I don't really see the "gotcha" moment. If there are right-wing voices claiming they're okay with gays in kids stuff within certain parameters, I'm not aware of them and I'd consider them to be in the minority.
I dunno man, when I was a kid I loved watching my Grandma cook. She showed me at least half of what I know about cooking. She'd talk if I was talkative or she'd just sit with me and cook and let me watch. Honestly, most things aimed at kids struggle to compare to this sort of experience and I always think fondly of her in the kitchen to this day.
Maybe if they stop with useing generational trama as the villian and use a real villian? Maybe it would be better
Encanto: generational trauma
Turning red: generational trauma
Strange world: generational trauma
At least coco had an actual villian but it came pretty close to being generational trauma.
@@dragongamer4753 In defense of Encanto, at least they put that family conflict front and center, and never shied away from it. On top of that it gave the conflict weight and breathing room to sell the importance of what was going on.
A real villain that is fun for us to hate and not being talked down to save that villain?
@@RotaAbyssian I still need to watch that film. If it's as good as everyone says it is or at least half as good as coco then I'm sure I will enjoy it.
@@dragongamer4753 I have not seen Coco myself, but have heard nothing but good things. Encanto IS fantastic though. It starts of fairly cliche, but the story and characters more than make up for it.
Due to the weird art direction, I thought Ethan was an old lady.
I for one like the fact that a nine-year-old girl found the making of banana pudding much more enjoyable and amusing than that movie. In my most humble opinion, there is nothing wrong with banana pudding.
I rather like banana pudding but I think I like rice pudding better. Though that might be because we don't use the same bananas the pudding was designed for. The only bananas used today are cavandish. However before like the 60s it was a different kind of banana but they were more or less made extenct by a disease or fungus. Though I've heard they actually tasted a lot better than the ones we use now.
Personally, I prefer making banana bread. It smells wonderful and warms the soul on a cold day.
@@greenliongirl07 My college roommate would make banana bread at least once a month with extra bananas I'd sneak out of the cafeteria. And that's how I gained my "college 15". I regret nothing.
Banana pudding is good, but you need some Nilla wafers to compliment it.
You're 40?! You discovered the fountain of youth!
Knowing your audience and how to get to them is crucial when you are trying to promote or grow anything. So for Disney not to even consider this when going over the plot of the movie caused it to be its major flaw. I guarantee you there were members in the group who figured children would watch for the pretty colors and we can make a movie about anything and they will be hooked.
But, as you stated if you know children, they have small attention spans and are quick to bounce if they aren't hooked within the first few minutes.
The key question that should have been asked and answered is Who is this meant for?
11:24 Well if we are being totally honest here banana pudding is pretty awesome so...😄 Disney movie or possibly getting to lick not just the spoon but also getting to scrape the bowl, I know what I'm picking.
Hesring your description in just the first minute i am left wondering "so they have all this tech, but they don't even know the world around them?" Sounds like illogical worldbuilding to not ever have explored but made such tdchmological breakthroughs
Yeah, that’s what I thought, too, just from an artistic point-especially since the characters are, apparently, human. They’re not Whos or little bug-people or something, there’s not the immediate disconnect that clicks to make you think “ah, okay, this is in no way supposed to be the ‘world outside my window,’” and (usually) implicitly signal the tone as being non-grounded enough that you should comfortably suspend your disbelief as to, say, how the Grinch and Whoville have all the trappings of a first world country without any factories or supporting infrastructure.
The title font doesn’t help, looking like it belongs in a 40s adventure serial, when it’s almost a fantasy movie in a different genre and medium.
It’s like…say you have a movie title/logo written in “Westminster,” the classic faux-computer readable typeface. You see that, and you’d assume it’s a sci-go flick, right? Or at least something to do with computers?
But the movie is a high fantasy adventure film-not in any way science fiction. The most advanced piece of technology used is a stirrup. Immediate tonal confusion.
Or you have a movie where the titles and poster text are all in blackletter…and it’s an “Avatar” sequel. EITHER “Avatar”-nothing gothic, old fashioned, or especially Teutonic to be found.
You see? I mean, it’s nice to see them moving away from minimalistic “Ariel Black, All Caps,” but maybe some institutional knowledge has gotten lost in the lettering process…
We didn’t reach the top of Mount Everest until the lifetime of my grandfather, just multiply the height a bit and it’s possible
I’m not really plugged into the movie world anymore, but I don’t recall any of my right wing movie guys claiming this film failed because of gay character number 1000. They point out the almost obligatory gay character, and roll their eyes at the check box, but mostly they chalk it up to being a bad, hacktavist movie that beats you over the head with environmental crap. Again, not claiming to be an expert, just what I have heard about it.
It completely changes my impression of you to find out that you are my age and not like half that. Damn like with a kid and everything
All the promotion I saw for this movie by " journalist " was OMG THERES A GHEY GUYS SO KEWL. I agree the movie isnt about that but you cant say they didnt try to make it like it was and some people decided to not even give it a go.
The only piece of promotion for this movie was at the subway; that's it.
Also, *YOU ARE 40!? I thought you were 20*
Facts he sounds like he is in his 20s
Same thing Gabriel and in Canada, they're called skytrains.
Let me guess, is the plastered ad the one with the tongue tied trio?
@@Thomasmemoryscentral YES! Or them swinging
I am honestly baffled. Never knew this thing existed.
I disagree that kids wouldn't be able to relate to or at least empathize with an older character. Up is a prime example. I'm sure plenty of kids have lost older family members and could relate to the situation if not the perspective. A story about transferring generational dismissiveness actually sounds like a great idea. But as others as said, generational trauma might be a bit too overdone lately in Disney. And obviously Disney didn't care enough about this to advertise it more.
I feel "generational trauma" as the main focus and not overcoming ones own shortcomings might be bad messaging in general. All it does then is point a finger to blame as why you're the way you are. And continuously point at failure or lack of perspective as someone else's fault.
Potentially you don't as a sequel maybe? But even then after a point it just becomes a blame game. Maybe doing a JBP and rescuing your father is a better method where you're doing generational healing but that takes a stronger character.
@@majdjinn5042 Well, as much as people like to blame others for their own mistakes. There's just as many people who don't want to take responsibility for being horrible to others and then shrugging it off as "your problem you couldn't just take the abuse/man up/blah blah blah". I think the message of the film was "your dad didn't care what you wanted, and now you're kinda doing some of the same to your own kid, maybe don't repeat the same mistakes". From what JSG described, Searcher's only shortcoming was repeating his dad's dismissiveness, which he did overcome. I don't know any of this for sure since I have no interest in watching it myself. But it sounds more interesting than Turning Red.
@@darwinxavier3516
Fair.
Up isn't about the character being old, though. Up is about him being lonely and overcoming his grief. Young people can relate to those feelings, but they're not going to relate to someone just being old. That's the trick: take what the adult is experiencing, then figure out how to simplify that into a theme that young people also experience. This is why shounen manga can have adult leads but still appeal to little kids.
@@JustSomeGuy I mean, from what you've described in your video. Strange World isn't about characters being old either.
Talking yellow tic tacs and a cat in boots wiped the floor with disney
Sometimes I just wanna sit in pitch meetings and yell "Who are you making this for?"
Your wife was making banana pudding? Hell, I’d be right there, too. My spidey sense’d be tingling
JSG tradhusband confirmed
She's not my wife. She's a friend's cousin.
@@JustSomeGuy I gotcha. I hope you got some of that Homemade banana pudding. Seems like the only good thing to come out of that movie
For better animated adventure films from Disney, stick with such classics as The Rescuers, The Black Cauldron, The Rescuers Down Under, Aladdin, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, Moana, and more.
In the case of non-Disney animated adventure films, check out Anastasia, The Prince of Egypt, The Road to El Dorado, Titan AE, Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas, the How To Train Your Dragon franchise (excluding the live-action remake), and more.
That sounds exactly like the entire modern Lost In Space shoved together.
Never make a movie where you advertise it with same-sex-loving characters, for example. The story and characters are important where it should not matter if the characters and the story are either done before or different from the viewers. Kids never care about whatever sex-love the characters have, even if the characters are adults. The most kids would see is adults drinking beer and smoking cigarettes.
When I was in high school only the film and theater kids watched moonlight while no straight boy in a 10 mile radius would even go near the film. I mean granted, the gay stuff wasn't in any trailers and if you weren't watching right wing media you'd have no idea anything lgbt went on in the film.
I dont think they even advertised this movie AT ALL, much less that has gay characters.
@@hydevanhelsing5063 A single piece of advertisement for this film became plastered on my skytrain and it's the one of the grandfather, father and son in a literal tongue tie in 2022.
Aside from that, only youtube could remind me this film existed
Considering I only ever saw 1 commercial for this, it's no surprise it flopped
HEY, watching someone cook is satisfying alright
Hubris. Good, old-fashioned Hollywood hubris.
Why does everyone look like they've been stung on the nose by a bee? Not just this movie either.
Also banana pudding sounds nice.
The most interesting thing about this movie was how, through it, we learned your age. Honestly didn't expect that, you sound really young.
I damn near choked on my tea when you said you were 40. Like seriously...WHERE?! HOW?!
I recall watching this, and actually falling asleep mid way through. II recall thinking they were having the same trouble as the marvel stuff... namely, they don't know how to shut up and ever let the scene stew. Any serious moment is immediatly killed a minute later by instant comedy.
For reference, lets look at the Lion King. The death of Mufasa, and Simba blaming himself. This comes with Scar rubbing slat in the wound, running for his life, and wandering the desert until it seems like he'll die. Only then do we get comic relief characters showing up and saving him, taking him back to their oasis. This gave time for the audience to digest the seriousness of the situation, and potential death, of which comic relief did what it was supposed to. Provide relief.
But this? I don't think a serious scene ever went on for more than two minutes, before it shifted instantly to comedy. It didn't let anyone digest, it was just one scene into another.
But ultimately, it was just boring
Kids do not "find themselves" at 15.
Maybe 25 these days.....maybe.
I'm starting to wonder if this is evidence of that notion that gender-swaps, race-swaps or gay characters are a method of making lesser movies "critic-proof". If you pont out weak points of plots or characters or direction you get accused of being phobic. Best gay character moment in an animated film? The high-school uber-jock out of "Paranorman" when the older sister asks him out to go see a romance film and he eagerly agrees because "my boyfriend never wants to watch those movies"... yay for banana pudding.
A lot of films with crap stories add in all the "woke" elements so they can hide behind them when it does not do well, so they can just use the excuse of "Well, you are just a bigot for not liking this!" when in reality the studio just made a shit film. We had good films made in Hollywood with strong female leads, queer characters, and non-white characters, yet what made them memorable was strong stories, great cinamatography, and nearly everything that made a "good" or "great movie.
@@robinthrush9672 Heck, go back a bit further to Fant4stic in 2015 which I believe is the appetizer because the media tried going after fans angry over the miscasted Michael B Jordan in the role of Johnny Storm trying to claim racism when in fact it's not faithful to the comics.
Of course the film is bad on almost every other front but I think it started it and the Ghostbusters remake is the one that really cemented that going forward
So family dynamics removed and thrown out the window that actually a interesting story that I could do something with, I mean imagin finding out that you have been living on the back of a giant turtle for generations you could do quite a lot with that story (world of warcraft already did) but it sounds like that was used as the backdrop not the main story.
6:22 "what middle schooler do you know that cares about some old man's midlife crisis."
Well, to be fair, that's what the Incredibles was about. Both, in a way. So was the recent Puss in Boots movie.
They were both far better executed. Your point still stands (probably, haven't seen it) that the movie did too many things half baked at once and presented the subplot in a dull fashion. Anime can get away with some of the subplot traffic jam, but few can get away with being dull.
Maybe this should've been a series to flesh out all the plots with pacing.
The way the movie is decribed. Would be if The incredibles had its plot. But we only saw the dad at his job. The movie blocking us to see the other family members using super powers.
The Incredibles was about family and recognizing your value. The mid-life crisis was a subplot Brad Bird used to tell that story, but it was specifically about the them of finding yourself. The same goes for The Incredibles 2. The reason they worked is because Mr. Incredible adn Elasti-girl are interesting and we follow their struggles. The whole "finding yourself" theme resonates also with kids, especially teens. As long as you don't jack up the story, it should click with an audience.
@@JustSomeGuy I don't think that it's entirely necessary for kids to have a direct frame of reference within their own experience to relate to something like middle aged man's daddy issues. At least on some level. As a young kid watching the episodes of BTAS that dealt with the death of Robin's parents I had no frame of reference for watching a child bear witness to his being orphaned and facing the prospect of taking that kid in. Even so I could wrap my head around it just enough to grasp the enormity and strangeness of it for both parties. That's all it took to make me strongly invested in seeing what came of it.
In Encanto, Mirabel served as the bridge between generations... knowing how the younger feel, and wanting to learn about what brought the family to where it was. She was also the main focal point of her movie. Ethan could have been that bridg, but they didn't care about him.
Exactly. Encanto was about family, and never tried to be about anything else. By doing so, it put the conflict front and center, and allowed each moment its time to breathe and feel important.
exactly people are saying ethan is like a half assed mirabel for a reason! The protagonist is meant to be the person you follow. Having 3 protagonists in one short movie makes for a mess of a story. Encanto has a large cast but mirabel is always the MAIN CHARACTER. all the characters get their focus without taking away from her story
@Lilacꨄ Having multiple focus characters isn't even a major issue, though. Even with other Disney movies, we have seen multiple protagonists with the camera shifting focus between them. It's a good way to inform on the dynamic between those characters or show how their knowledge of a situation is misaligned with one another. The Incredibles is a good example of this. But what this all requires is focus. If each perspective tells its own story, and these don't necessarily converge, it feels sloppy.
@@RotaAbyssian I probably worded that badly. I mean that for this movie and the way the story is structured 3 protagonists is just a bit overwhelming. I agree multiple protagonists can work but the problem w strange world is it doesn’t give any of the protagonists enough time to get attached to them. Whilst in movies like encanto every character gets enough focus that they’re memorable (like how camilo has 6 mins of screentime but ppl were obsessed)
So what I’m getting here is that the movie should have been How To Train Your Dragon
Remember when Pixar gave us a 2 minute recap of an old man's life which broke every parents heart right before he tied a bunch of balloons to his house to go exploring? Disney doesn't. This movie sounds boring as hell.
Strange world is a basic but decent movie that got screwed by the executives like Iron Giant. Though I don't blame the kid for heading out; honestly what kid would relate to a grown man with daddy issues.
The one good thing about Strange World is that it serves as a lesson to other writers on how not to write a story. It had good bones, they just decided to use rotten meat. I mean... the turtle idea is interesting, it was just told in a way that was a total bore.
Forget the film, what’s the recipe for the banana dish? It sounds like it must be amazing! 😂
4:37 that was never the right who said that. That was always members left who were accused of being on the right for asking for quality and story telling over social agenda (ie people like you). The right has always openly been against even tasteful and subtle homosexuality, especially in kids' media. This is in no way hypocrisy or a "mask-off" moment. It's just a situation in which there are at least 3 sides, but people assert that there has to only be 2.
It's funny, one of my all time favorite Disney movie is A Goofy Movie since it has a great father and son relationship story with both being flawed yet relatable.
How the mighty Disney has fallen.
When JSG says "the right wing" these days I pretty much just assume he means Twitter opinions because I haven't run into anyone who makes the claims he says "the right wing" does outside of Twitter.
The only advertising I saw for this movie outside of a handful of television ads was articles talking specifically about the gay characters. Not the usual "this looks like a great movie for kids and families" puff pieces you usually see. At least with Lightyear I saw some kids getting excited for it because it was loosely a Toy Story movie, but not much. This one was crickets with my nieces and nephews.
My niece brought up how "everyone in kids movies is mad at their mom and dad" and I honestly don't think she is far from the point. It feels like there are no villains anymore other than blaming the previous generation. Characters aren't evil for the sake of being evil anymore, they're just misunderstood because they're upset because mommy and daddy didn't love them or they didn't get picked for the team 30 years ago.
At the end of the day, It just feels like bland writing using tokenism as a shield to skirt criticism to me. Write better characters.
That last point you made is spot on, "you can't criticize us because we have (insert whatever minority here), you're just an ist and a phobe"
Nobody (who's not crazy) cares what a person is as long as they're well written and unfortunately a lot of LGBTQ characters are written like crap (their entire personality is whatever box the writers are trying to check).
I mentioned in the video that I'm 40, so I've heard the "I don't know anybody like that" line before when it was about the right's bias towards black folks, latinos, asians, muslims, jews, middle-easterners, illegal immigrants, foreigners, feminists, and atheists, just to name a few. It's miraculous how no one ever knows anyone who's biased despite all the people harboring those biases. It's almost like you're not telling the truth...
@@JustSomeGuy or, those biases are rooted in out of context soundbites that get misconstrued into a straw man. If you make a claim about a group because someone who shares your bias told you or showed you something without context, but no one in that group has witnessed your claim, then they’re wrong and you’re right? You don’t even get the “don’t say gay bill” right. Every time you bring it up, the comments are full of people correcting you but you still cling to your misinformation. But yeah, you’re never in the wrong.
it feels like they don't make movies for the audience but rather themselves, cause that's the only reasonable way I can make any sense of this movie's apparent identity crisis
The main reason why it failed is the lack of advertising. When watching TV or RUclips videos, I rarely saw any ads for the movie. And in the rare times they showed the trailers, my reaction was “Meh.”
In the video you stated the movie having a gay character isn’t the reason why it failed. While, I agree that it wasn’t THE REASON it failed, I think it was part of the reason. The news articles I’ve read about the movie mentioned more about the gay character than the actual plot of the movie.
I must have ended up getting everyone else's share of the commercials 😑
In fairness, advertisement wasn't exactly enough to save "Lightyear".
i didnt even knew this movie existed until thisvideo
I think the reason it wasn’t really advertised was BECAUSE of the gay character.
He’s a main character and his sexuality is semi-plot relevant and they talk about it/show it in several scenes. They can’t just snip that stuff out for an international release without it being obvious something is missing.
From what I've heard this movie is excruciatingly boring. When you fail to keep the attention of children that's pretty bad.
I saw plenty of adverts for this movie, it looked boring and generic.
Side note, I was at Disney in January and I don't remember seeing any merch for this movie, it's obvious Disney knew this was gonna be a bomb.
It's all about the creators personalities, rather than telling a proper story.
What is it with Pixar's fascination with big noses? I swear every new movie the characters noses grows to comical proportions.
Holy shit the character design and art style just screams to me those corporate art styles you see from Google or like a deliveroo advert.
you can't miss...."the message" in the movie either. which message? save the planet one. find an incredible resource....but it's killing the planet, use wind power instead.
Maybe ‘Searcher’ should have been called ‘Soy’ 🤣
Its main villain is intergenerational trauma. Why am I not surprised?
Sad thing is that Disney will probably consider the lesson from this being “Feature length and feature quality animation isn’t worth the investment” and not “Family movies still need a competent story”. This is what happens when you have appeal to everyone, designed by committee media.
Honestly it sounds like the whole movie was written for adults not the kids that were gonna watch it.
This movie sounds like it was supposed to have been one of those 90 minute three part tv pilot "movies" that they used to make when I was a kid 35 years ago.
Serves that nine year old well. I hope she learned ~his~ her lesson now =/
It's sad that an explanation on how this film failed is more entertaining than the cartoon itself.
In the girls defense, when someone makes banana pudding, the one watching them probably gets to taste test.
Maybe this is why Disney does reboots rather than focusing on new characters and stories.
I'd sooner watch an animated movie about JSG and his rift with the 9 year old who refused to watch a mediocre film. That had more tension, dynamics and characters than Strange World.
It's just weird how the first thing I heard about this film was outlets saying the movie had a character who liked other boys, and I didn't get why people were so happy that was the main Vocal point and was praising that and not the actual plot only vaguely mentioning it and than never saying anything more?? It had me PUZZLED
Disney already had a great father/son film: A Goofy Movie. And its sequel
You said there is 3 story lines in the film and I was like wait don't you mean 4? But from what you described sadly what should have been a 4th story line was like I said in my other commen wasn't even a story it was just something that happened in the background, I mean personally if I found out we were living on the back of a live animal that would be a story all by itself heck it is its called Discworld (also really important to find out if its male or female as if it happens to be a female your civilisation could be wiped out come breeding time)
I'm still confused why this element was never found out naturally. The turtle doesn't abruptly stop, make noise, snore, earthquakes that aren't consistant. They have ships. But can't go high enough? No one made a baloon? No ones dug down and it get hurt? Astronemy wpule expose this. If the Turtle was intentinally hiding this. Than it would make sense. But it isn't. It needs more Truman show to work.
You may be Just Some Guy, but your daughter agrees with your analysis.
When you think the message is more important than a good story, you will shoot yourself in the foot. At least Atlantis the Lost Empire focused more on the adventure with unique characters aimed at kids.
5:33 This doesn’t surprise me. It gives Disney “representation clout” that they can also remove for Chinese markets very easily. We see the same kind of set up all the time.
It’s rare to see an actual gay character or relationship that is expressing themselves openly in a Disney film these days. Not good for international markets
It bombed because it was just a lesser version of Onward. Which also bombed.
Maybe the issue is the the movie’s lesson is that there is nothing to be learned from older generations.
Kids walked out??? Such a strange world indeed!!!
I liked looking at the world and its creatures, but it REALLY needed more worldbuilding to make it all fit, and I don't think they really thought that through more than the "the world is a living thing and we're killing it" environmental metaphor. For instance:
Humans don't really fit the rest of the biology we see. How did they get there? Are they an odd evolutionary line on this tiny (on a global scale, anyway) habitable valley? Are they the descendants of space farers who crashed there and lost most of their past technology (which would also explain the ethnic diversity in a relatively small geographic region)? We don't really see any worldbuilding in that direction.
This Pendo plant: Is that native, or another alien? It's pretty hard-core parasitic. But if it needed its roots to reach the core to survive, why didn't it take over earlier? Was it only held in check by the mountain cold on its emergent growth? Most plants grow upwards to gain access to sunlight, and yet Pendo feeds off a hist, and grew in caves too, so what is the point of those bulbs? We don't know, and I don't think they thought it through.
And the giant turtle: What the hell do this thing's insides look like as a whole? They entered through a hole on its back, got into the lungs, went from there to the stomach (also, what does it eat that it needs that much stomach acid?), through the heart chamber, and THEN came out its mouth (meaning anything it eats passes by the heart before reaching the stomach). And no sign of internal valves/sphincters or muscular action to keep things moving. That is some funky internal anatomy that I don't think they really planned out overall.
And more. The setting itself had a lot of potential, but they let it fall flat, just like a lot of other things in the movie.
I literally have never heard of this movie before.
Sounds like she had the right idea.
At this point, great movies from Disney are more like anomalies than the norm.
I keep waiting for a movie where someone has an argument and a bad thing happens and everyone dies in the first fifteen minutes, sparing us all the rest of the nonsense.
I hope that kid liked Willow
The movie was even more lackluster than "Onward" (or whatever it was called). It feels like a painful attempt to create something fresh and original using the creators' childhood memories of themes like Pratchett's works or tabletop RPG, traveling in a body, you knwo nothign about the world surrand you but you thik you rule it...etc. Probably its not helping it is also supported by a soulless corporate machine that avoids taking risks or offending anyone so none of these topics wil lget explored too deep. The result is a creation that feels like it was generated by a lobotomized AI feed with generic ideas from the past. For instance, the significant twist in this film was that the world was a less intelligent version of Discworld, and the discovery was as unimportant as it could be. The movie has layers of themes, but they all fall flat. None of the characters are captivating, and there is neither a protagonist nor an antagonist. In summary, there is nothing substantial or noteworthy about this film while its have many interesting part its not tellign about those a thing.
This is first I am hearing of this movie... it did not even appear in my recoomended videos on youtube it seems
Just hearing the summary, it sounds like a ok family movie
You’re 40?! Bruh you don’t sound older than 25, but hearing how mature you are this makes sense.
Well making banana pudding is fun.
Damn. If your target-audience would rather watch their parents make food (in this case, your 9-year-old daughter watching her mother make banana pudding) than watch a movie made by a multi-billion dollar company, you know you have dun'goofed.
When the voyage isn't Fantastic (1963)
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I still wish Disney would go back to making Gigantic. But I know that ain't going to happen. It actually looked like it could have been a good movie.
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I agree. The dog is the best character of the first half of the movie...
I actually don’t get why they wouldn’t try to promote this movie - I hadn’t even heard about it (granted, that could be my fault). Is it precisely because they weren’t pushing “The Message” here? Did they not care? Have they forgotten how to promote a movie without preemptively playing the “straight white supremacist patriarchy” card, so with a movie that’s not so great no one knew what to do any more? I’m really confused by this one…
0:39, so it was a net loss of 106 million dollars
Honestly Ethan was the least of my problems with this movie.
Dude if you didn't give me a synopsis of this movie I think I would have passed out in the theater watching this. Disney just messed up