Tulsi Gabbard to Bill Maher: Don’t draft women OR men
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Robby Soave and Amber Duke discuss whether or not women should have to register for the draft.
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If you have a draft, you are not defending a free country.
Gender equality should be applied equally
Either they are equal or they are not. Very tired of them and other "special" groups demanding equality but also over and above equal. Glad I'm no longer in the workplace nor running my own business as there is nothing a woman or "special group" could possibly bring to the table to offset the danger they represent when years later a "Yes" becomes a "No", or a funny Joke all of a sudden is found offensive.
And for those lying and saying the Right is a threat to democracy, they need to realize the extreme danger to their little minority groups which are guaranteed by a true democracy. A "democracy" will always be 3 fox and a chicken deciding what is for dinner.
Im against the draft, but that lady's argument that the military isnt ready for physiological differences in women...she does know that women serve in the military now, right? And they do have separate standards.
I'm against the draft. BUT, if there is a draft, women should be part of it.
Only elected officials should be required to register for a draft. They want war, let them fight it.
Hell no. I don’t want women being used as canon fodder. I’d rather lose the war than have that. Hell, let me go die. Put me on meth. Idc, just no girls in the trenches.
If there's something worth fighting for, you don't have to force people to fight.
Not true. The entire history of humanity offers a demonstrable rebuttal to your statement. Sometimes compulsion is necessary.
@@thomassenbart I completely disagree with that vague, over-broad general assertion. What you cannot accomplish by persuasion, you may not compel by coercion, no matter how "necessary" you happen to think it might be.
@@spartacusjonesmusic Well I likewise disagree with your assertion. We do compel and with good reason. In the case of the USA, all major wars have been fought with conscripts. Should they not have been fought in the absence of volunteers? I think that a problematic claim. The primary reason for the existence of govt. is protection/defense of the citizenry and that means a military can be established, which often means conscription.
What is your counterargument, an appeal to Libertarian principles, which only exist as long as they can be defended? What is the argument?
@@thomassenbart Conscription is prima facie unconstitutional. The fact that it was done does not make it either legal or moral. Destroying liberty to save liberty is a nonsense argument. People all over the world have fought for freedom against incredible odds without resorting to -- or needing to resort to -- coercion. I say again, if you have something worth fighting for, you won't have much trouble getting people to fight for it.
*men.
Vvomen dont ‘fight’ ever
Women ALWAYS dodge the equality question when asked why shouldn't women also be required to register for the draft. ALWAYS.
we need to draft women, it's time to give them the equality they wanted. Actually we should only have women on the front lines to make up for the inequities from before
Always implies every single woman & I know for a fact that is untrue. Now if you had said a majority of women, you would probably be correct, though I don’t have hard data on that but based on personal experience it seems believable where as your original statement, just from personal experience, I know to be untrue multiple times over🥴🤡
@briannabenson4173 allow me to rephrase that for them. Every vocal feminist always dodges the subject.
@@thetruthisonlyperspective4872 I am an ardent feminist, pacifist, and leftist (consistent since becoming vegan as of NYD 1993) and I DO NOT want any women, blacks, or gays in the evil US military war machine. Nor do I want any men, whites/non-blacks, or straits in the evil warmongering US military. I want it abolished pronto. All REAL feminists agree with me.
Matthew, I thought you guys were against identity politics, the belief that X group can't talk about specific issues expirenced by Y group. Men are allowed to talk about abortions, women are allowed to talk about the draft, stop with this identity politics.
Besides Tulsi has served in the military, I think she has every right to having on an opinion on this. You sound so whiny and bitter.
The draft is not punishing women. Women got what they wanted; they need to be available to do their share now.
Couple problems I see with this whole situation.
A man can lose out on a lot of federal and potential state benefits if they don't register for selective service while women don't.
Also the idea of people who aren't signed up for selective service being able to vote for representatives who can and will declare war without any skin in the game.
Some form of Civic engagement or military service should be required now in my opinion.
Draft should be for everyone or no one.
It used to be for all men up until a certain point. Everyone had to do 2 years weather we were at war or not. It was called the Compulsory Draft, and It was law.
Conscripts tend not to make the best soldiers. Tulsi says a lot of crazy stuff but she's right on this issue.
People who’ve been in the military like her know how bad the average civilian would be if simply forced into the military against their will without any previous training or experience
It does not matter if conscripts are the 'best' soldiers. In a large war you need bodies and conscripts will do. All major American wars have been fought with conscripts.
I've not heard her saying any "crazy stuff" since she left Congress.
@@thomassenbart That's why America should not have a draft and end selective service.
@@BulgarianPatriot2 We don't have a draft. Hello!!!
No draft. However, equal rights, equal fights. Arm everyone who is capable.
Women aren’t capable of war. At least not compared to men. Men are the foot soldiers and women keep the nation afloat at home.
Why so that the 195 "leaders" of the world can live like rich parasites off of the 8+ Billion people on this planet. Time to give the 195 "leaders" a lesson.
Equal rights would not imply equal fights. Women aren't fighting on the other side. Your thinking is disordered.
@@TheHsubhdisordered??? Do you know wtf equal is defined as?
if you actually need a draft to get enough solders, then you have created a country that not enough people love.
Then that has always been the case. All wars of substance require conscription or mandatory service.
That argument is nonsense. If you are worried that a women may not be able to meet the standards to be drafted. Then why are they in the military to begin with? I’m not a fan of the draft either but you can’t play FTSE with these type of things. Now I’m not saying they should necessarily play the role of infantry, there are other roles they can do. Just like every man doesn’t plays the role of infantry. So no I don’t buy that argument.
Well said, not only that a lot of warfare is pushing buttons. Women are perfectly capable of combat. Israel, for example, drafts women.
@Pyrolonn but they don't draft them at the same level as men.
They don't give them the same physical standards as men.
They don't expect women to stay in as long as men.
They keep women separate from men in divisions.
And female combat units are far less likely to ever actually see combat.
"Isreal drafts women." Is not a very good standard for drafting women.
Wow. Some of you guys need some balls. They want to send our daughters to war. Women are way too valuable to throw them into a meat grinder. Our society is so sick and backwards and every day it just gets worse, and people unironically call it progress.
society is so backwards these days and these people unironically think it's progress. What a sick society and it just gets worse every day.
i disagree but yt keeps deleting my response
The anti-conscription amendment should have been placed in the bill of rights:
The proposed amendment to the Bill of Rights that aimed to prevent conscription was introduced by Representative Daniel Webster in 1814. The text of the proposed amendment read as follows:
"No person shall be compelled to render military service in person, by conscription, draft, or in any other mode, except by voluntary enlistment, and with the free consent of such person."
This proposed amendment was part of a broader debate on the issue of conscription during the War of 1812, but it was never adopted or ratified.
It’s so nice to hear what Amber and Robby have to say with out the mind numbing liberal point of view constantly interrupting. 👍🏼
The draft is literal slavery
As well as taxation.
@@iCanSeeWhatMostCantpeople defending the draft and taxation have the same arguments. “It’s not theft/slavery, because it’s for what I think is a good cause”
@@Fodkdj Taxation isn't slavery you can argue its extortion, but it's not slavery. The draft is actually slavery.
@louiscypher4186 perpetually having to give your resources to a ruler over your entire lifetime at the threat of violence is slavery. They own you and the product of your labor.
@@louiscypher4186 extorted for a lifetime at the threat of violence by a ruling class is not slavery?
Nothing screams freedom like forced conscription
😂 I’m 39 now & finally realise what an absolutely terrible idea compulsory national service is but when I was young & dumb, dumb enough that I enlisted in the military🤦🏻♂️, between the ages of 18-25 I strongly supported the idea of compulsory national service🫢🫣. So, it is absolutely not true that only old people support the idea of compulsory national service.
The argument that they would need to lower standards for combat positions can be met by moving folks into roles that are currently met by civilian contractors. The argument that this isn't in line with the philosophy of protecting women can be met by that is not a legal or political position. I agree that the draft is unconstitutional, and SCOTUS got this one wrong. If you can't get rid of registration for men, it is seems better that you also require it for women, from the point of view of equal administration of law.
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
- Amendment XIII
There hasn't been a draft since 1973. Two years before I was born, there's no need for one.
There is not a need until there is. If the US gets into a big war, we will definitely need conscription.
Abolish the draft! You don't need to draft people if the Mongols are invading the homeland. You do need to draft people if you're invading the Mongol homeland.
I cannot see how we can force someone else to fight and die on my behalf. If the threat is not apparent enough to generate volunteers, then how real is the threat?
Even if women are drafted, they will not share the fate of the men thrown in the meat grinder. Except for A few caught in A "Soft Target" ambush.
Exactly
love tulsi. America needs more people like her
Bill M is not very smart about many things
I disagree with this woman, There's this thing called "consequences" There are consequences to your choices. If you want feminism equality this is part of it 🤨
Just because feminists are mostly socialist that equated needs with rights (entitlements/privileges in reality), it does not mean that reasonable people should do this as well out of spite.
The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness forbids the draft for all.
Draft is initiation of force against an individual.
Just because a collective has a need, it does not mean that your right to your life is forfeit.
I have need for food, medicine, clothing etc.
Why not draft the farmers, the doctors or you to make my clothes and so on ?
This leads to Communism or serfdom and Feudalism.
The USA has a system of voluntary militias as well, which (if it is not blocked) should provide for personnel in case of an emergency (which ought to be for defense).
In fact, the militias worked very well when they were the majority of the army.
As a man I don’t want to rely on the physical strength of a woman if I’m put into battle. I don’t want to die unnecessarily and I don’t want women used as canon fodder.
Or the whole feminist narrative was always wrong.
@Robert-fx3ng Feminism has never stated women are as physically strong as men. That is a biological reality. So if you are going to be a misogynist atleast be smart about it.
hismajesty6272
Too bad, paternalist
It'll be no surprise that I agree with Tulsi. The draft is unconstitutional, and it shouldn't exist for either sex. However, that said, if they're going to keep it as an option, then it needs to be equal and that means they should require women to sign up for the draft too. Hopefully, if they did that, then maybe women would start a movement to abolish the draft.
I agree with the draft being an archaic concept that is no longer needed, but IF men are subject to it, women should be too. That does NOT mean they're automatically fighting on the front lines the next day, there are other ways to serve that won't bring down standards or lower readiness.
2:00 This would only be true if we ignore the vast roles availble to people of differing ability. So many roles in the military do not require the physical stamina demanded by bootcamp. An approach that embraces fundamental physical differences and realities could enable a very robust exploitation of all kinds of people. The key to success when dealing with large scale logistical situations is understanding the resources on hand and then optimizing their utility in the pursuit of a goal. It is not wise to create protocol and then demanding blanket adherence to said protocol
While I don't think we should have a draft, IF we have to have one women should be included (if you truly believe in equal treatment). Selective service should be applied to women also.
Maybe the supreme court should strike down conscription in its entirety due to both sexism and overreach of govt.
In WW2, the opposite was at issue. President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Executive Order 9279, signed on December 5, 1942, ended voluntary enlistment for men between the ages of 18 and 37 for the duration of World War II. The order was intended to protect the nation's manpower pool on the home front. The Navy and Marine Corps began using the Selective Service System to recruit personnel in early 1943.
The WWII draft gave exemptions for some skilled industrial workers (as they were needed for defense production) and farmers but not most college students. This was very different from the situation during the Vietnam War. A draft was probably necessary after the first year or so in both the Civil War and World War II - both of which seem eminently just wars. The prewar draft (passed by one vote in 1940) was probably also essential. The lack of a postwar draft in the 1950s probably would have pushed the US even more towards reliance on nuclear weapons, not necessarily a better outcome.
If we're going to have a draft then everyone should be fair game. No hiding out in college or mommies basement or big daddies pockets.
The military already has lower physical standards for women. Look at the fitness requirements.
I think women should be signed up for selective service, but I agree that we should not be drafting people.
Outside of the additional beuracr actually and the taxation that comes with it.
Why have selective service if you are not going to slave them for cannon fodder.
Oh when it comes to draft we see women as protected in society and we have different bodies. Got it.
Correct, singning an enlistment contract is endentured servitude, which is unconstitutional.
No, it is not. Re-read your constitution.
13th Amendment abolished slavery except for as a form of punishment. Forced servitude is slavery. Re-read your U.S. Constitution.
@@WilliamSanderson86 Nope! If we are FORCED to follow any court ruling even the USSC, then why is their such great concern who occupies the WH and holds the Majority in the Senate if these justices were honorable people 100% loyal to the Constitution? The endless stream of political hack USSC 5-4 or 6-3 decisions PROVES our justices are nothing but Political Hacks and not loyal to the Constitution as the ONLY LEGAL way to alter the Constitution is via the Amendment Process not a political hack ruling.
@@MaxDangerPower Conscription is not slavery nor servitude. All conscripts are paid and honored but bound by military service.
Signing an enlistment contract is a voluntary arrangement and a legal contract under the terms of military service. So, it is neither forced nor servitude.
The Supreme Court unanimously upheld the constitutionality of the draft act in the Selective Draft Law Cases on January 7, 1918. The decision said the Constitution gave Congress the power to declare war and to raise and support armies.
@@thomassenbart it is servitude. Try exercising your constitutional rights as a junior enlisted person, especially if it is negative feedback regarding a CO or an E9 type, lol. You have little to no rights when you enlist. Being forced to enlist would be unconstitutional regardless of whatever laws show up after. Government has done similar with our gun rights.
Women vote, draft them
Nice how willing you are to sacrifice other people's daughters to the profits of the military industrial complex.
No. As a man I don’t want half my squad being women who are physically and psychologically less fit for battle.
hismajesty6272
Too bad
I'm confused. Is Amber advocating women stay home and be home makers again? You cant have it both ways. You cant be an equal citizen but also get out of the dirty work because traditionally you weren't an equal citizen. The state doesn't gaf about chivalry during war times. I don't support a draft but that is a weak excuse.
Equality was always a lie.
How about don't ask a woman if it would be a fair thing, how about asking a man? After all, men are the ones required to put their ass on the line. Let's see how they feel about it, huh? I don't care what Tulsi and Ayn have to say: they don't have to go, so anything they say is easy for them to say.
Tulsi is a veteran.
@@jayp398... who volunteered.
@@mec59rail That's pretty brave
@@matthewchapman8162 How would you feel if a man that the draft should be male only
ianwazowski5607
You’re going in the draft, missy
The military is already set up for women to be trained. There are already different physical fitness standards to ensure that the fitness of both men and women are assessed according to their physiology.
The draft is slavery. It is bad for military effectiveness and it is Morally and defensible period. Those are the reasons we should focus on.
Hey! At any time, thanks to democrats, we can easily fight a war of pronouns.
I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. I'm writing a series of Novels where (among many other changes to history) the ERA was passed in 1980. Unfortunately, things go poorly in Europe, and the US does end up reinstituting the draft. It was a lot of fun coming up with how that might play out without destroying readiness.
Im career military and I would never want a draft. Lethal and effective military that is rarely used. People that dont want to be there are only a detriment.
There are plenty of jobs in the military that are not combat arms. They are not being drafted to “Fight and Die”
I served. I enjoyed it. I think there should be mandatory military or civilian service in some way out of high school for both men and women. It would provide some skills in case of a conflict. It will mature people and help people work as a team. It should also bring this divided nation together.
I don't like the idea of politicians or people in government sending people to a conflict without ever serving.
But that's me
Unless a woman has 2 or more children she should be eligible for the draft #equality
So much better than thehill. Thank you!
It would be good if we had a national service system where everyone had to serve in some way. Maybe 2 years military or 3 years in the CCC; your choice. Unfortunately, this is impossible because the powerful will find a way around doing their part.
If you want to vote you have to register for Selective Service or serve in the military just remove the gender limitations and also it being a legal requirement for men.
"You can get anything you want / at Alice's Restaurant" --Arlo Guthrie
When women are even mentioned to participate in the draft, all of a sudden, they think we should get rid of it. 😂 what a convenient argument for them to have.
Not all of a sudden. The libertarian position on the draft has always been the same. It is unconstitutional.
When politicians start talking about the draft, I know I'm about to hear a lot of stupid. To start with, no nation that considers itself free should resort to a draft and no nation that must resort to a draft deserves to exist. Second, any war that actually threatens the survival of the United States would be over in 45 minutes with no winners. Third, all a peace time draft is good for is encouraging the military industrial complex to waste lives on adventures. Fourth, we can afford neither adventures nor large standing armies.
Tulsi is absolutely right and Maher is still stuck in his leftist human sacrifice can be justified mindset.
Veteran here. No draft. We all know gen z is weak beta males. It sucks.
Ok boomer
well you can always tell when some don't want to serve in that way if i was called to serve i wouldn't fight the authorities that can make things more difficult but i guess i have a different take on some of that but i signed up for selective service when i was eighteen
There was a massive draft effort in the US during WW2. It is a useful method to bulk out the military at critical times. However, during WW2 there were strong national values in place that produced a sense of duty to the state. This doesn’t really exist anymore, and a large scale draft would likely have even more disastrous outcomes than were seen in the Vietnam war.
If the country needs soldiers during wartime they will draft simple
Nobody will show up. Simple.
Draft ONLY elected officials. Then lets see how often they decide to use us as cannon fodder.
Just send hunter
Yes especially immigrant’s 17 year olds men and women for 4-6 years Mandatory to get a naturalized citizen. We need the draft we are in enough trouble😮
1:20 To be fair, we don't know what millennials and zoomers will do at all.
The metabolic ill health of young men in the US has already made the volunteer military untenable.
I don’t understand how people can talk about a draft with a straight face like we are in pre ww2 days which armies needed large manpower reserves to face off against one another. Seriously, where are people’s heads? Another thing people cannot seem to get, drafts are usually for countries with small populations which have a tough time getting enough volunteers. USA population is 341 million, that means .5% joins the military it will be over 1.5 million. Small countries like Israel with 8 million people cannot survive on .5% volunteers which is only
40,000. Hence they need to draft to bring that perhaps to another zero at the end.
Here is another thing to consider, maybe we do not have to beat the war drums so often. Russia got humiliated in battle, why does anybody think that means we need a huge military. China is boxed in, Taiwan has close to 2 million troops on strong defensive position. Again why does that constitute the USA needing a huge military? This nonsense has to stop, we probably do not need any more than 1 million combined in all branches.
I thought we were equal 😂😂😂😂 yall better strap up 😂😂
Service guarantees citizenship. There. I just solved the problem. If you want to vote, then the corresponding responsibility of military service should be required.
What is the device on the shelf above the novelty icosahedron die? It looks like a microscope, but is not. I can't identify it.
Mentioning Rand there probably lessens the convincing power of your argument rather than increasing it, IMO. Whether or not she's correct is immaterial on that point. And it's worth pointing out that women already had lower physical fitness test requirements when I served decades ago, as well. Finally, if you're facing an existential emergency as a nation that would require a draft to solve, it seems to me that military slavery (which is what the draft is) is liable to make matters _worse_ if the citizens support of their countries survival is already that low. So, overall, it ought to go.
I agree there should not be a draft, with all the hillbillies there is no need for a draft
First i watched ~1/2 of this. I agree with all 3 of them.
This appears to be a review of ~25 second clip.
I stopped watching it do to it just got to be word salad repeating basically what they already said.
The reason I see this only as a review is like most reviewer channels only introduce themselves and don't explain or cover why they are someone to listen to.
Some review channels will do this example police and lawyers cover law incidents etc.
This just got too much of singing to the choir ... Really too long for covering a ~25 second clip which Tulsi was clear and i bet the discussion between Tulsi and Bill was much longer.
Basically click bait thumbnail and title appearing to be on the discussion between Tulsi and Bill but end up with longer review of rambling.
These are people that clearly don't understand our military's tooth to tail ratio. For those who don't know, the tooth is the fighting infantryman, from behind the tooth to the tail is all the support behind them. I think we are at sit between 5 to 1, or 10 to 1. It depends on the specific branch, or deployment.
How about the ratio of 8+ billion people who just want to live their lives in peace vs 195 "leaders" who want to retain their royalty like lifestyle at the expense of millions of lives. 8,000,000,000/195 is a ratio we must use to FORCE leaders to resolve their disputes without killing us by the millions. In just the 20th century LEFTIST, big, all powerful, central planning governments KILLED/STARVED to death over 100 MILLION of their OWN people plus millions of their enemies. Yet the left constantly calls for more government.
Most of the soldiers in WW II were drafted. You people are funny. 😛😱
Beat me to it!
61% were drafted or nearly 2/3.
Vietnam too.
All while the ruling elite sat back and became richer. I'd rather be funny that deadly stupid.
Hilary Clinton proposed women be drafted in 2016. Not popular. (She lost)
Based takes!
You’re going in the draft
Women want all of the benefits of freedom, but not the responsibility…. Is that what she is saying?
Draft Everyone. Immigrants first
So many drama kings and queens on here, worried about enslavement. Have you heard about all that slavlery in Denmark and the rest of Northern Europe? ! To me the only political response, and the best one is that we should have a national draft that applies to everyone, but isn't exclusively military. Kids could sign up to work in education, construction, health, justice, any field where young people could be both of service and learn something.
One of the enormous benefits of a draft is that everyone works with everyone. West coast east coast, rich boor, southern accent bronx accent, classical music house. This happens at a time when we are the most curious and open to one another and make lifelong friends, just as what happens in the military. They also get to physically travel outside of their block which may sound funny but lots of young people don't get outside of LA or NYC, have never been on an airplane.
But think of what a hundred thousand teachers could do for Alabama and Mississippi, or for revamping their prisons. (of course those states would likely refuse the help the same way they would rather refuse milk for their impoverished grade school students).
All countries require the possibility of a draft to ensure their continued existence. It doesn't matter if there shouldn't be a draft. There has to be. History comes at you now and then. We use the term draft because we've made it this very formal thing. But historically all men of age and ability had to be ready to stand up and protect their people in the event of an existential threat. Women didn't. Women shouldn't. That's not changing either. Whatever your theories or good intentions, nature has created men as both more amenable to combat, physically and mentally, and more disposable to that end. That's an evolved system, it's emergent, it's so well tested that it's bevome integrated into our biology. It doesn't matter what points you're trying to prove. What actually matters in military matters is survival, efficiency, efficacy, supremacy. Men are the coin most likely to buy you those outcomes, and they're the most affordable to spend. And all countries depend on at least the possibility of being able to spend that coin, should the necessity present itself.
The only real argument is over what is actually necessary.
We don't have a billion people so there's going to be a draft
She's needs to be Sec Def
Drafts should only be allowed when everyone, and I do mean everyone men and women, (DEI and all that women will obviously want to be treated as equal) no exceptions for: wealthy, going to college, Mum/Dad being a politician....you get my drift. Women can do what women did in the the first and second world wars, they don't necessarily have to carry a gun. I know of what I| speak. My husband was drafted, 6 weeks of training and sent off to Viet Nam. I never understood and still don't understand why the great American public ever thought that giving exemptions was ok. I am Scottish.
good one
Thought I was gonna watch tulsi and bill,not two people yacking about about them,👎
This is not how the draft works!!!🤦🏻♂️
right this conversation is ridiculous, they have 0 idea what they are talking about.
@@kheldaryt Agreed, and in some respects I get it, they’re ignorant of the actual reason for a draft. But ultimately it’s more about how not registering for selective service can negatively affect men rather than making women register for the draft.
@@kheldarytCan you offer any substantive arguments for your blatant statement?
@@Virtueman1 US military has been a volunteer force since 1970s. No one has been drafted in 50 years and 99% no one will be drafted for anything smaller than total global warfare. The only point of the draft currently is essentially just to reduce chaos in a complete global conflict. I.e. if WW3 happened it would probably be better if there was a system in place for mobilizing the nation vs sheer chaos, no? So none of what they are talking about is remotely relevant.
@@kheldaryt Thanks for argument. But now we can see that you are 1) A draft-supporter, and 2) Oblivious to the importance of moral and political principles, at least in this context.
Since the draft is literally slavery, your argument is like saying "yeah, I know slavery is bad and immoral, but in small amounts it can be good and moral". But this is factually inaccurate, and this false conclusion is precisely why we need principles to guide our thinking so some of us don't end up in cognitive alleyways like this.
When you let go of the principle that says the draft is immoral, you open up for others who want more draft than yourself to argue that "see, its not immoral here, and here, and here, so lets keep expanding it" - and the only counter-arguments that you have left in your toolbox are then the pragmatic ones: "no that would be bad strategically" , or "no, that would be too expensive". Like you've dropped the ability to argue morally at that point. Not gonna win hearts and minds. Draft will then grow.
I agree no need for a draft I Spent time in Europe and have friends in South America, so I think mandatory Service is good!
You just contradicted yourself.
9 out of 10 soldiers do not have a combat role. Everything to stand a post , delivery of the mail, working as mechanics and so many more position never seen a battlefield. So I do support registering for the draft for both men and women.
Opposing the selective service program as a whole is very short sighted. Tulsi and others who say that the United States should not have people register for the draft because politicians shouldn't get the country into war are pushing policies based upon what they would like to be true, rather than the realities and history of America's military conflicts.
Many people associate the draft to the Vietnam War (an unnecessary political conflict of limited scope) while ignoring (or perhaps unaware of) the fact that the U.S. military relied heavily upon the draft during the "good" wars of World War II and the Civil War. We all know how most Americans supported isolationism in the late 1930s, determined to stay out of the conflicts arising in Asia and Europe. That is Tulsi's position, which sounded great, until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. While Tulsi and others call upon the image of the American volunteer in times of national crisis, such volunteerism was not enough during World War II to fill the War Department's need for soldiers. To put it into objective numbers, roughly 16 million Americans served in the military during World War II, almost 10 million of which were draftees. Without the draft, the United States would not have had the military strength to succeed during World War II.
Volunteerism based upon patriotism rarely, if ever, sustains a military force, especially over a difficult and prolonged conflict. Major U.S. wars tend to last for around four years, while peak enthusiasm for military service among young men traditionally lasts 6-9 months. This is why, even a few months after 9/11, the military was offering signing bonuses and other benefits (think of all of the "get money for college" commercials you see for the military) to get people to join or stay in the Armed Forces.
This is not to say that the draft is good. It is intended to be an emergency action used sparingly, if at all. But it has played a vital role in some of America's most important military conflicts, and to say, categorically, that there should be no draft is pretending that world events will occur only how you want them to.
lol, terrible analysis. like both of them overall but they have 0 idea what the draft currently is.
draft today is largely just a logistical tool if there's WW3.. would just be implemented to mitigate chaos... no one is getting drafted for any of the regional conflicts, US military has been a volunteer force since 70s.
This conversation was a big waste.
Conscription at some level may indeed be warranted and far less expensive than the voluntary system. Women should not be eligible for conscription. Tulsi is a good woman, but she is wrong. The US conscripted soldiers in the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam and the Civil War. Any large, sustained war will need bodies and a voluntary system won't suffice. So, it is not just about 'forever wars', a lame phrase in any case.
President Trump is the only president in the last 30+ years to NOT get the USA into any new wars, and look how the ruling elite have reacted and vilified him, as there are BILLION$ to be made in wars and BILLION$ to be made by elected officials in stock trades during times of war.
Ugh, invoking Ayn Rand. That is a such a weak point to raise her as someone to listen to.
Attack the argument, not the person. Why was her point wrong?
@@Fodkdj 1."unfettered self-interest is good and altruism is destructive." Do you need me to explain how Ayn was wrong in that idea?
Ayn Rand: "a just cause has never lacked volunteers in the face of foreign aggression"
Let us look at Ukraine. There were and are so many volunteers to fight the russians that the ability to train those volunteers ... yet Republicans side with Putin's regime (the party of Ayn Rand). Do Republicans also shoot their foot when they start to run a marathon? And what color is Napoleon's white horse?
Ayn Rand is the greatest philosopher yet.
@@HANU8 What does that mean? That her worlview philosophy would bring us to what? utopia?
Was she ever hypocritical? Look at her life..did she hold onto her views when personal life came into play?
I think you should read more about Ayn Rand her books.
@@Antropovich Rand wasn’t hypocritical. I presume you’re talking about her accepting of social security, Rand wrote about this, saying that it’s fine to accept social security, because you have to pay into it for your whole life, so it’s fine to get the money back, Rand likely would accept a stimulus check if she was alive today. I personally believe Rand is one of the greatest philosophers because her philosophy acts as a guide to life, and I’ve been much happier since I’ve started following objectivism
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Nope
What about Trans men or non binary persons?
No draft, no problem.
No such person biologically exists.
The draft is involuntary servitude, Slavery, condition in which one human being was owned by another. A slave was considered by law as property, or chattel, and was deprived of most of the rights ordinarily held by free persons.
It’s time for vvomen to be drafted. They have far more rights than we do.