I envy Cliff's patience with these so called "open minded" students. The truth is that they are very closed minded and believe everything their university teachers tell them without searching for real truth.
I really appreciate this. As my boys grow (teenagers now), they are increasingly intrigued by empathic apologetics. I love the fact you demonstrate kindness and sound arguments. I would not have known how to answer in the manner you've presented here. -adam
Go Cliffe! I pray the grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. You take these questions apart rather beautifully with godly wisdom. Those who listen to you are indeed blessed, and the Lord is glorified. Good to see open minded students searching for truth, next thing you know God reaches out to them and they are saved. I am excited for the Kingdom of God. For there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved - But the Name Jesus Christ
Ugh, last time he was in Texas that same kid in the white t-shirt was there grandstanding with basically the same nonsense. Wish we got a fresher perspective this time from that area.
Great conversation going on here we'll dne sir. U have great wat to reach using your knowledge to reach out the students here great way to share the gosbel the well some seem be not making much scents at all
Someone in that university must teach these kids how to argue and debate. They are all over the place. Total crappy follow-up argumentation that made life easier for Cliffe. The movie - The great debater, by Denzel Washington is a good starting point. I have seen the earlier episodes and there have been brilliant students. Nevertheless, I evaluate these kids to be more intelligent than some of the professors who taught me in India
I have one, just one problem with Cliffe. He believes in billions of years,big bang and outer space. None of those things are true. Other then that, Cliffe is amazing, I have learned so much from him. Keep educating the so called "intellectuals" :)
***** No. There is no outer space,millions of galaxies and planets. There are stars that we see in the night sky and thats all there is. The rest is pure science fiction.
***** They are not going anywhere. The rocket doesnt go anywhere. Couple minutes after launch they steer the rocket into the ocean and bring it back. Thats why all space stations and launch pads are at or near a large body of water. You cant go into space because there is no space to go to. There is not one picture of the Earth in existence that is actually a real photo. They are all paintings,composites or CGI, NASA even admitted that. Go on Google and try to find a real photo of Earth,any other planet and the "milky way" thats real...You cant.
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When an atheist is not closed minded and is open to the Truth he can learn these truths and possibly become a theist.
I'd say 97% of atheists just want disprove, unsuccessfully mind you, rather seek the truth. Doesn't matter what you say or how reasonable what you're saying is, it won't go through.
Atheists worship themselves. They glory in their thoughts and opinions. They practice idolatry, self worship. It is hard to see God when your face is all up in the mirror.
Hey white shirt guy, if all you do is watch all day about anti-Jesus (Jesus existence myth etc. etc.) videos on youtube and read books about anti-Christianity, you really cannot expect to know about Jesus.
Wish Cliff would have asked whit t-shirt guy what is the first person evidence of the "theory of evolution" to which he mostly likely subscribes. It either HAS to be evolution or creation.
Matthew 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
The head quarters for Christianity is the whole world. “ For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.
At about 4:20 Cliffe talks about a Jewish historian named Josephus who wrote about Jesus as a historical person. When taken in it's entirety the tiny passage about Jesus takes up about 0.01% of everything Josephus wrote. Surely this great historical person who was witnessed by thousands performing miracles would take up more than a tiny paragraph of Josephus's writing. Many scholars view the Josephus mention of Jesus as a deliberate interpolation by later Christian writers to shoe horn Jesus into history. Outside of the New Testament there is very little information about Jesus.
Sorry your mistaken. There are plenty of references to Yeshua outside of the New Testament... Your reading too many atheist websites and/or too much TV probably.. Check out Bart Erman (not a Christian btw)... As for Josephus, yes a lot has been added... But we recently found OLDER ARABIC texts of Antiquities that show that the core of the text was unbiased and in circulation well before Christians could change it or sugarcoat it... Do the research and look at unbiased and non fringe scholarship on the issues... I'm not even saying look at Christian research... Look at the leading scholarship regardless of belief.. Either way you want to debate the details we can be sure of certain facts... Jesus lived in first century, gained a following, claimed some sort of divinity or messiah ship, was crucified for his ministry, buried by a well known court member, and three days later the tomb was empty... And then Christianity spread like wild fire... So either it's a big conspiracy or Christ was who he claimed to be... It doesn't necessarily matter if the new testament is entirely reliable or not... And i urge you to look at old testament prophecy about the coming messiah... But only look at the ones you can prove outside of the Bible,like Genesis 49:10 or Daniel 9..we have manuscripts that proves it was written beforehand...AND proof outside of the Bible that it was fulfilled, however unlikely.... This shows at the very least that there is something mysterious or other worldly about the works of the Bible... Just a few thoughts.. Cheers..
Joshua Kuderik Hi Joshua, I'm certainly no biblical expert and would never claim to be, but I think I'm right in saying during the time that this Jesus Christ person preached his ministry and performed countless miracles ( as stated in the New Testament), not a single person that we know of wrote about him. It took several decades after his death before Christianity started to gain popularity. Again, with this Josephus Arabic text, I can't see what the fuss is, my claim still stands that Josephus wrote next to nothing about Jesus in comparison with everything he wrote about Jewish history around that time. It's inconceivable to me that if Jesus came down to our planet with a message of such importance for mankind, hardly anybody mentioned it at the time. Even those gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John weren't written during or straight after Jesus died, i think the earliest (Mark) was written about 20-30 years after Jesus died. And the last one (John) was written around 70 years afterwards. Even in Pauls letters he omits to mention lots of information about Jesus, barely no mention of any miracles, a virgin birth and several other things. Paul didn't even meet Jesus in the flesh as far as I'm aware. Good to chat with you.
+bonnie43uk right back at ya.. Sorry I didn't touch on that point... Think about it.. If Christianity is The TRUTH... THEN IT WOULD BE correct when it says in Scripture that only some would believe... Either way...messiahs were showing up all the time in ancient times especially in the first century...so josephus, a Jewish ima, who wasn't trying to write a compilation of history to confirm Christ or even his own Jewish beliefs, was just writing a general history.. If his accounts didn't contain a mention of Jesus, you'd may have a little of a point...it was a small area considering the time, and didn't blow up until later in a significant way.. there are many other references...and the decades idea you have.. U can see that it's pretty well excepted, even by critical, non Christian scholars that the claims of the miracles and resurrection of Jesus were being circulated about 5 years after his death...we know this from the extensive research just done on Paul's writings..and this is all non Christian research... New Ima... Regardless, I wouldn't ask anyone to believe anything based on just the biblical evidence... Its gotta be a cumulative case for any belief... Which is why I mentioned prophecy... Not vague prophecy like many are used to... And not prophecy we can discount because of uncertainty... Prophecy u can actually see and prove... And i personally hate the word prove...
+bonnie43uk not a single person wrote about nearly anyone during that time, when they were alive.. Usually, in all writings..its after the fact that people write and can reflect and see the big picture... You have to treat the gospels and EPISTLES (Which I would rather use) like every other historical document of its kind... And the epistles may never narrate miracles but they assume them...as well as the resurrection, which they explicitly state happened ... The epistles have more evidence in being closer and more accurate..
Joshua Kuderik Hi Joshua, well, we may have to disagree on great leaders and great names from the past not having anything written about them during their lives or during great events. I'm sure Josephus would have written about events that were occurring during the time they happened, such as famous battles ( i may go and spend some time reading up on specific Josephus writings later if i get time). Also we have roman coins minted and dated with the Emperor of the day on them. Not to mention busts and statues. If you look up many of the Roman Emperors in Wiki, it will even give you precise dates of their birth and death.. interestingly, we have nothing of the sort for Jesus. Paul never mentions Jesus miraculous birth in his epistles to the best of my knowledge. Going off on a tangent slightly, aren't you in the slightest bit skeptical about an Angel coming down from heaven and impregnating Mary? On who's say so are we to believe this? .. it's something that couldn't be witnessed by anyone. ( how do you even go about witnessing a virgin get impregnated by a holy spirit???) In what form did this angel appear? It just seems to fanciful to my skeptical mind. But because it's tradition, it gets accepted as fact.. surely it's something to be seriously questioned. I'm sure many Mormons don't question for one moment the writings of Joseph Smith and his encounter with the Angel Moroni, when you are raised in a particular culture, you tend to accept what grown adults tell you is true.. and they believe it because their parents believed it. But I'm pretty certain, if you went right back to the source and could somehow be a fly on the wall, you'd think to yourself.. Holy shit.. he made it up !
Actually I think theres another reason why God doesnt prove himself to people. Because they wouldn’t believe even if he did. I know I know that’s hard to believe. It doesnt make sense but it’s true. Ive experienced it first hand how someone can have an experience with God and still refuse to believe. Its long story 1 or 2 years ago my atheist friend and me got into an argument about God. We were on a discord call. He asked a lot of hard questions that at the time I struggled to answer. i dont remember a lot of the specifics but I remember him getting frustrated and yelling some sorta insult about God something along the lines “well then God sucks!” And left the call. I thought that was the end of it and figured God would take care of it since I did the best I could. He texts me back asking me more questions. Obviously I am a bit skeptical and ask him if hes gonna yell at me again. He says hes gonna control himself this time. This time it goes pretty peacefully but hes still asking some tough questions that I some what know the answers for but just didnt know how to explain. At one point I suggest that he try praying. He was skeptical obviously. I said “what’s the worst that can happen? He will be more likely to answer your questions” he finally agrees. I leave him alone for a while (idk how long) and then I text him back. He responds telling me that when he prayed that he suddenly just knew all the answers. And that he wanted time to get over the shock of him. I leave him alone for the rest of the day. And come back excited wanting to talk to him about it. But he keeps giving me short answers and avoiding the topic. Now Even in arguments when I ask him about it he refuses to address it. Eventually I managed to ask him. “Is the reason you avoid it is because God told you something you didnt like?” He said “maybe..” and refused to speak more on the topic.
They can’t manipulate God because God isn’t Santa Claus , a genie or wizard. God is extremely holy and righteous and what they can’t stand is His righteousness because they live by their selfish desires of their hearts. “The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? I , the Lord search the heart and test the mind. “ Jeremiah 17:9-10.
if there is no God why sucide is wrong????????????? you are ending the animal with no value and sucide has nothing to do with human justice where does justice come from
THE JOKER God has vocally revealed himself to people over the course of bible not specifying whether he is their father or not. Not to mention all of the greatest figures of the bible are male. sound sexist to you at all? probably not but the fact is that every fetus is first female. And females could under the right circumstances reproduce asexually
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. John 4:24. God is omnipresent, He doesn’t have a gender because He can dwell in anyone, anytime, anywhere simultaneously. He has kept it simple for us because human beings can relate to a father. We can relate to a mother but He chose “ Father”. Because in human societies it’s the father that has the authority. Our salvation doesn’t rest on Jesus gender but on His deity, God incarcerate, 100% God , 100% man.
Evolution isn't "survival of the fittest". It's "survival of the best fit". Uh, those statements mean the same thing. The latter just contains a grammatical error.
+Kevin Watson I'd have to disagree with you on this Kevin, I don't think that Darwin ever described evolution as 'survival of the fittest', you could be an extremely fit animal, but in the wrong environment you would not survive. Evolution has more to do with adaption and adapting to the environment. That is a major key to life. Those statements you quoted *do not* mean the same thing. An extremely fit giraffe would not last a few days in the harsh conditions of the antarctic, whereas a penguin that was not fully fit, would cope much better in those same freezing conditions.
bonnie43uk I wasn't saying anything about evolution itself. I was making a comment about a statement of someone in the video, who said that evolution didn't mean "survival of the fittest" but rather "survival of the best fit." I was merely pointing out that those two statements meant the same thing.
Kevin Watson Hmm, that seems a bit odd saying that. If the person in the video is speaking about evolution and correctly asserting that it's not 'survival of the fittest' but more to do with 'survival of the best fit' (best adapted) , then that person is absolutely correct as I see it. I gave the example of the giraffe and the penguin, although the penguin may well be in some way physically hindered, let's say it has a bad bite from a leopard seal, it will still be better fitted to its environment than a giraffe obviously, so he is exactly correct. In evolutionary terms (which is what he was referring to) he was spot on. They are markedly different.
bonnie43uk No. Tom, "fittest" and "best fit" mean exactly the same thing. The latter is just grammatically incorrect. In defending the idea of being "best fit" for one's environment, you are also defending the idea of being "fittest" for one's environment. There is no distinction there.
+Kevin Watson 'Best fit' may be considered grammatically incorrect if that's what the man said, I will have to listen to what he said, but if he meant best adapted, which, if he was talking about evolution, which is what you said he was referring to, then he is bang on the money. There is a world of difference between the word 'fittest' as in 'in prime physical condition' and 'fit' as in ' fit into place' which is what he was talking about according to you.
+Michael Bodea I didn't say I believe it all I'm saying cliff said that atheistic evolution isn't true but he didn't rule out theistic evolution so I'm just wondering if he believes that but as a Christian I don't believe in evolution full stop.
Same reason we all run from Him God is extremely righteous and because of that we can’t manipulate Him. What did the Hebrews do when Moses didn’t come down from Mt Sinai when they thought he should have? They couldn’t manipulate God do they made a golden calf, something they knew they could manipulate because they made it. Exodus 32. Man is the same today.
I love Cliffe. I learn alot from him. But I have two issues.. 1. his belief in billions of years, and theistic evolution.. 2. His belief in eternal suffering in a forever hell.. all of which are not true
I find this interesting that the god of the gaps is apparently evolution now. It’s like this because evolution. These student don’t have any reason for there responses other than evolution.
That’s because they practice idolatry, man is God and everything man says is to be worshipped. Evolution doesn’t begin to explain the complexity of this earth, let alone the Universe. Evolution is a theory that can’t be proven. But it has been effective as a lie to draw people away from God. Satan will be laughing til he cries, at the people he got to fall for it and are going to hell. Satan has two big lies “ there is no God” and if there is, I’ve got time.”
Is this kid on drugs? He doesn't need evidence to see that something is a fabrication? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ then, he seems upset that Jesus existed and that the bible corroborates the historical existence of Him. God bless you cliff.
You misunderstand Radcliffe as slang he saying that if you believe you only come from this line of the earth and become a fish and then all the other creatures poor man and Homo sapiens Etc then if you're just a bunch of cells would know we are conscience or understanding or morals are subjective morals then it really doesn't matter doesn't you have no real purpose but because we do come from our creator life can't come from non-life as he says You must have a Creator a designer and if that's the case and honestly we must be able to have a purpose a conscience and understanding to others around us and how to pursue that.
I'm gobsmacked at some these arguments put forward and the absolute lack of reasoning or consistency, by the students.
I envy Cliff's patience with these so called "open minded" students. The truth is that they are very closed minded and believe everything their university teachers tell them without searching for real truth.
I really appreciate this. As my boys grow (teenagers now), they are increasingly intrigued by empathic apologetics. I love the fact you demonstrate kindness and sound arguments. I would not have known how to answer in the manner you've presented here.
-adam
Awesome, this is one of my favorite discussions so far, I wish you guys would release more videos more often :)
Go Cliffe! I pray the grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. You take these questions apart rather beautifully with godly wisdom.
Those who listen to you are indeed blessed, and the Lord is glorified.
Good to see open minded students searching for truth, next thing you know God reaches out to them and they are saved.
I am excited for the Kingdom of God.
For there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved - But the Name Jesus Christ
Plz have respect for this great man of god
Beautiful well said. Thank you Pastor Cliffe
Always on point.
Rough gig. You're a legend Cliffe.
Great job Cliffe!
Thank you Cliffe~ always learn alot from your videos~
Ugh, last time he was in Texas that same kid in the white t-shirt was there grandstanding with basically the same nonsense. Wish we got a fresher perspective this time from that area.
love these sooo much
I have a great respect for you cliff.
Great conversation going on here we'll dne sir. U have great wat to reach using your knowledge to reach out the students here great way to share the gosbel the well some seem be not making much scents at all
Kid in the white shirt is grasping for straws and Cliff keep shutting him down
+matt johnson it's shirt though haha. Jk God Bless
+Toolman85 oh man I forgot the r in shirt and no edit button! 😳thanks for the correction! God bless
+matt johnson No, don't correct the typo, its perfect. lol
Hey bro, you made a mistake with your comment... You forgot the full stop.
Someone in that university must teach these kids how to argue and debate. They are all over the place. Total crappy follow-up argumentation that made life easier for Cliffe. The movie - The great debater, by Denzel Washington is a good starting point. I have seen the earlier episodes and there have been brilliant students. Nevertheless, I evaluate these kids to be more intelligent than some of the professors who taught me in India
love these!
Thank you guys for your videos. God bless.
God bless you Brother
Which is more reliable, the ethical teachings of Jesus Christ or learning to live as human beings by observing the behavior of animals?
I have one, just one problem with Cliffe. He believes in billions of years,big bang and outer space. None of those things are true. Other then that, Cliffe is amazing, I have learned so much from him. Keep educating the so called "intellectuals" :)
+Alexandar Ostojic I wonder if he truly does or just uses their science belief to reason with them..I listen to Cliffe everyday, love the guy
***** Do you believe it does like they portray it in "star wars" or hollywood?
***** No. There is no outer space,millions of galaxies and planets. There are stars that we see in the night sky and thats all there is. The rest is pure science fiction.
+MazGhani The stars are attached to the firmament or the heavens.
***** They are not going anywhere. The rocket doesnt go anywhere. Couple minutes after launch they steer the rocket into the ocean and bring it back. Thats why all space stations and launch pads are at or near a large body of water. You cant go into space because there is no space to go to.
There is not one picture of the Earth in existence that is actually a real photo. They are all paintings,composites or CGI, NASA even admitted that. Go on Google and try to find a real photo of Earth,any other planet and the "milky way" thats real...You cant.
When an atheist is not closed minded and is open to the Truth he can learn these truths and possibly become a theist.
I'd say 97% of atheists just want disprove, unsuccessfully mind you, rather seek the truth. Doesn't matter what you say or how reasonable what you're saying is, it won't go through.
@@sultanabran1so very true.
Atheists worship themselves. They glory in their thoughts and opinions. They practice idolatry, self worship. It is hard to see God when your face is all up in the mirror.
Hey white shirt guy, if all you do is watch all day about anti-Jesus (Jesus existence myth etc. etc.) videos on youtube and read books about anti-Christianity, you really cannot expect to know about Jesus.
Amen bro
Wish Cliff would have asked whit t-shirt guy what is the first person evidence of the "theory of evolution" to which he mostly likely subscribes. It either HAS to be evolution or creation.
"I don't need evidence!" Can't take him seriously after that.
The center of Christ is within the human soul. We are the temple.
True and you can kind find people all over the world who carry Jesus in their hearts. The whole world is Jesus’s headquarters.
Matthew 10:41
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
👍👍👍
I Think Cliffs is doing a service of God even many students won't buy it..many watching DO..thank you Lord for Cliffe.. Amen.
The head quarters for Christianity is the whole world. “ For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.
At about 4:20 Cliffe talks about a Jewish historian named Josephus who wrote about Jesus as a historical person. When taken in it's entirety the tiny passage about Jesus takes up about 0.01% of everything Josephus wrote. Surely this great historical person who was witnessed by thousands performing miracles would take up more than a tiny paragraph of Josephus's writing. Many scholars view the Josephus mention of Jesus as a deliberate interpolation by later Christian writers to shoe horn Jesus into history. Outside of the New Testament there is very little information about Jesus.
Sorry your mistaken. There are plenty of references to Yeshua outside of the New Testament... Your reading too many atheist websites and/or too much TV probably.. Check out Bart Erman (not a Christian btw)... As for Josephus, yes a lot has been added... But we recently found OLDER ARABIC texts of Antiquities that show that the core of the text was unbiased and in circulation well before Christians could change it or sugarcoat it... Do the research and look at unbiased and non fringe scholarship on the issues... I'm not even saying look at Christian research... Look at the leading scholarship regardless of belief.. Either way you want to debate the details we can be sure of certain facts... Jesus lived in first century, gained a following, claimed some sort of divinity or messiah ship, was crucified for his ministry, buried by a well known court member, and three days later the tomb was empty... And then Christianity spread like wild fire... So either it's a big conspiracy or Christ was who he claimed to be... It doesn't necessarily matter if the new testament is entirely reliable or not... And i urge you to look at old testament prophecy about the coming messiah... But only look at the ones you can prove outside of the Bible,like Genesis 49:10 or Daniel 9..we have manuscripts that proves it was written beforehand...AND proof outside of the Bible that it was fulfilled, however unlikely.... This shows at the very least that there is something mysterious or other worldly about the works of the Bible... Just a few thoughts.. Cheers..
Joshua Kuderik Hi Joshua, I'm certainly no biblical expert and would never claim to be, but I think I'm right in saying during the time that this Jesus Christ person preached his ministry and performed countless miracles ( as stated in the New Testament), not a single person that we know of wrote about him. It took several decades after his death before Christianity started to gain popularity.
Again, with this Josephus Arabic text, I can't see what the fuss is, my claim still stands that Josephus wrote next to nothing about Jesus in comparison with everything he wrote about Jewish history around that time. It's inconceivable to me that if Jesus came down to our planet with a message of such importance for mankind, hardly anybody mentioned it at the time. Even those gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John weren't written during or straight after Jesus died, i think the earliest (Mark) was written about 20-30 years after Jesus died. And the last one (John) was written around 70 years afterwards. Even in Pauls letters he omits to mention lots of information about Jesus, barely no mention of any miracles, a virgin birth and several other things. Paul didn't even meet Jesus in the flesh as far as I'm aware. Good to chat with you.
+bonnie43uk right back at ya.. Sorry I didn't touch on that point... Think about it.. If Christianity is The TRUTH... THEN IT WOULD BE correct when it says in Scripture that only some would believe... Either way...messiahs were showing up all the time in ancient times especially in the first century...so josephus, a Jewish ima, who wasn't trying to write a compilation of history to confirm Christ or even his own Jewish beliefs, was just writing a general history.. If his accounts didn't contain a mention of Jesus, you'd may have a little of a point...it was a small area considering the time, and didn't blow up until later in a significant way.. there are many other references...and the decades idea you have.. U can see that it's pretty well excepted, even by critical, non Christian scholars that the claims of the miracles and resurrection of Jesus were being circulated about 5 years after his death...we know this from the extensive research just done on Paul's writings..and this is all non Christian research... New Ima... Regardless, I wouldn't ask anyone to believe anything based on just the biblical evidence... Its gotta be a cumulative case for any belief... Which is why I mentioned prophecy... Not vague prophecy like many are used to... And not prophecy we can discount because of uncertainty... Prophecy u can actually see and prove... And i personally hate the word prove...
+bonnie43uk not a single person wrote about nearly anyone during that time, when they were alive.. Usually, in all writings..its after the fact that people write and can reflect and see the big picture... You have to treat the gospels and EPISTLES (Which I would rather use) like every other historical document of its kind... And the epistles may never narrate miracles but they assume them...as well as the resurrection, which they explicitly state happened ... The epistles have more evidence in being closer and more accurate..
Joshua Kuderik Hi Joshua, well, we may have to disagree on great leaders and great names from the past not having anything written about them during their lives or during great events. I'm sure Josephus would have written about events that were occurring during the time they happened, such as famous battles ( i may go and spend some time reading up on specific Josephus writings later if i get time). Also we have roman coins minted and dated with the Emperor of the day on them. Not to mention busts and statues. If you look up many of the Roman Emperors in Wiki, it will even give you precise dates of their birth and death.. interestingly, we have nothing of the sort for Jesus. Paul never mentions Jesus miraculous birth in his epistles to the best of my knowledge. Going off on a tangent slightly, aren't you in the slightest bit skeptical about an Angel coming down from heaven and impregnating Mary? On who's say so are we to believe this? .. it's something that couldn't be witnessed by anyone. ( how do you even go about witnessing a virgin get impregnated by a holy spirit???) In what form did this angel appear? It just seems to fanciful to my skeptical mind. But because it's tradition, it gets accepted as fact.. surely it's something to be seriously questioned.
I'm sure many Mormons don't question for one moment the writings of Joseph Smith and his encounter with the Angel Moroni, when you are raised in a particular culture, you tend to accept what grown adults tell you is true.. and they believe it because their parents believed it. But I'm pretty certain, if you went right back to the source and could somehow be a fly on the wall, you'd think to yourself.. Holy shit.. he made it up !
Actually I think theres another reason why God doesnt prove himself to people. Because they wouldn’t believe even if he did.
I know I know that’s hard to believe. It doesnt make sense but it’s true. Ive experienced it first hand how someone can have an experience with God and still refuse to believe. Its long story
1 or 2 years ago my atheist friend and me got into an argument about God. We were on a discord call. He asked a lot of hard questions that at the time I struggled to answer. i dont remember a lot of the specifics but I remember him getting frustrated and yelling some sorta insult about God something along the lines “well then God sucks!” And left the call. I thought that was the end of it and figured God would take care of it since I did the best I could. He texts me back asking me more questions. Obviously I am a bit skeptical and ask him if hes gonna yell at me again. He says hes gonna control himself this time. This time it goes pretty peacefully but hes still asking some tough questions that I some what know the answers for but just didnt know how to explain. At one point I suggest that he try praying. He was skeptical obviously. I said “what’s the worst that can happen? He will be more likely to answer your questions” he finally agrees. I leave him alone for a while (idk how long) and then I text him back. He responds telling me that when he prayed that he suddenly just knew all the answers. And that he wanted time to get over the shock of him. I leave him alone for the rest of the day. And come back excited wanting to talk to him about it. But he keeps giving me short answers and avoiding the topic. Now Even in arguments when I ask him about it he refuses to address it. Eventually I managed to ask him. “Is the reason you avoid it is because God told you something you didnt like?” He said “maybe..” and refused to speak more on the topic.
They can’t manipulate God because God isn’t Santa Claus , a genie or wizard. God is extremely holy and righteous and what they can’t stand is His righteousness because they live by their selfish desires of their hearts. “The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? I , the Lord search the heart and test the mind. “ Jeremiah 17:9-10.
Geez that kid in the white shirt is the king of strawmen.
if there is no God why sucide is wrong????????????? you are ending the animal with no value and sucide has nothing to do with human justice
where does justice come from
Two questions to debunk cliff. Why does God have a gender? how did man know if God was a male?
Because God said that he's our father bro
THE JOKER God has vocally revealed himself to people over the course of bible not specifying whether he is their father or not. Not to mention all of the greatest figures of the bible are male. sound sexist to you at all? probably not but the fact is that every fetus is first female. And females could under the right circumstances reproduce asexually
@@lafonzellcarmichael182 what will knowing the answer to your question do for you? Also how does that debunk Cliffe?
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. John 4:24. God is omnipresent, He doesn’t have a gender because He can dwell in anyone, anytime, anywhere simultaneously. He has kept it simple for us because human beings can relate to a father. We can relate to a mother but He chose “ Father”. Because in human societies it’s the father that has the authority. Our salvation doesn’t rest on Jesus gender but on His deity, God incarcerate, 100% God , 100% man.
Evolution isn't "survival of the fittest". It's "survival of the best fit". Uh, those statements mean the same thing. The latter just contains a grammatical error.
+Kevin Watson I'd have to disagree with you on this Kevin, I don't think that Darwin ever described evolution as 'survival of the fittest', you could be an extremely fit animal, but in the wrong environment you would not survive. Evolution has more to do with adaption and adapting to the environment. That is a major key to life. Those statements you quoted *do not* mean the same thing. An extremely fit giraffe would not last a few days in the harsh conditions of the antarctic, whereas a penguin that was not fully fit, would cope much better in those same freezing conditions.
bonnie43uk I wasn't saying anything about evolution itself. I was making a comment about a statement of someone in the video, who said that evolution didn't mean "survival of the fittest" but rather "survival of the best fit." I was merely pointing out that those two statements meant the same thing.
Kevin Watson Hmm, that seems a bit odd saying that. If the person in the video is speaking about evolution and correctly asserting that it's not 'survival of the fittest' but more to do with 'survival of the best fit' (best adapted) , then that person is absolutely correct as I see it. I gave the example of the giraffe and the penguin, although the penguin may well be in some way physically hindered, let's say it has a bad bite from a leopard seal, it will still be better fitted to its environment than a giraffe obviously, so he is exactly correct. In evolutionary terms (which is what he was referring to) he was spot on. They are markedly different.
bonnie43uk No. Tom, "fittest" and "best fit" mean exactly the same thing. The latter is just grammatically incorrect. In defending the idea of being "best fit" for one's environment, you are also defending the idea of being "fittest" for one's environment. There is no distinction there.
+Kevin Watson 'Best fit' may be considered grammatically incorrect if that's what the man said, I will have to listen to what he said, but if he meant best adapted, which, if he was talking about evolution, which is what you said he was referring to, then he is bang on the money. There is a world of difference between the word 'fittest' as in 'in prime physical condition' and 'fit' as in ' fit into place' which is what he was talking about according to you.
In this video you contradict what you said in another video when you took about suicide.
What was the contradiction?
Cliff do you believe in theistic evolution?
+MrDjwithers no , and there is no reason to believe in that , Because in Creation God Created us to Rule over animals
how do we rule over what we are?
+Michael Bodea I didn't say I believe it all I'm saying cliff said that atheistic evolution isn't true but he didn't rule out theistic evolution so I'm just wondering if he believes that but as a Christian I don't believe in evolution full stop.
@@MrDjwithersmicro evolution yes but not the origins of the human species.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11,
Dude is white shirt is running from GOD wonder 💭 why
Same reason we all run from Him God is extremely righteous and because of that we can’t manipulate Him. What did the Hebrews do when Moses didn’t come down from Mt Sinai when they thought he should have? They couldn’t manipulate God do they made a golden calf, something they knew they could manipulate because they made it. Exodus 32. Man is the same today.
I love Cliffe. I learn alot from him. But I have two issues..
1. his belief in billions of years, and theistic evolution..
2. His belief in eternal suffering in a forever hell..
all of which are not true
+nathan robson
Do either of those ultimately matter when it comes to salvation?
If you were to correct him regarding the issue of hell, which according to you he’s wrong, what bible verses would you use?
Haha.. ah yes.. two of the “in home” issues that will not be settled until we are all with The Lord.
@@jebbyt2683 nope. At most they should be interesting and exciting things to wrestle with but never things we should disfellowship over
I find this interesting that the god of the gaps is apparently evolution now. It’s like this because evolution. These student don’t have any reason for there responses other than evolution.
That’s because they practice idolatry, man is God and everything man says is to be worshipped. Evolution doesn’t begin to explain the complexity of this earth, let alone the Universe. Evolution is a theory that can’t be proven. But it has been effective as a lie to draw people away from God. Satan will be laughing til he cries, at the people he got to fall for it and are going to hell. Satan has two big lies “ there is no God” and if there is, I’ve got time.”
How pathetic are this college kids...they don't add common sense to their analysis. What are this kids being taught? They are disillusioned.
Yes society and what their professors teach them has alot to blame too.
They are being taught that they are God. Idolatry, the worship of man as god.
Cliffe may need to touch up on evolution.
Kids are brainwashed not very good at entertaining ideas that they are not in agreement with
Really dumb scenarios to make invalid points Cliffe.
Is this kid on drugs? He doesn't need evidence to see that something is a fabrication? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ then, he seems upset that Jesus existed and that the bible corroborates the historical existence of Him. God bless you cliff.
I said live in a way please God walk knowing God father is the air feel hate lust that is jew Roman type people try covet tricked people
See my jew son will have jew messiah born of a granddaughter Benjamin priminster is apache my daughter is apache
if Chemical reactions creates ilfe, then why am I listening to your chemicals flap your gums?
You misunderstand Radcliffe as slang he saying that if you believe you only come from this line of the earth and become a fish and then all the other creatures poor man and Homo sapiens Etc then if you're just a bunch of cells would know we are conscience or understanding or morals are subjective morals then it really doesn't matter doesn't you have no real purpose but because we do come from our creator life can't come from non-life as he says You must have a Creator a designer and if that's the case and honestly we must be able to have a purpose a conscience and understanding to others around us and how to pursue that.
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