Battle of the 12 Year Bourbons!
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2020
- Today I wanted to put five 12 year old bourbons head to head in a blind tasting. 12 year old bourbons seem to be a popular number for consumers, so I chose some new and old favorites to put head to head to see which one comes out on top. Cheers and enjoy the blind tasting!
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I think the presentation and expectation of a brand can influence a score, so really appreciate the blind taste test!
This was a really interesting video to watch. Blind tastings can reveal so much thanks to the removal of label bias.
I've been enjoying your channel very much and I feel that your recommendations have been excellent. Thanks!
That was fun to watch & listen! It really helps me connect the comments to the bourbons when you don't move the glasses around when ranking - thank you! The letter cards help too. Your comments are the best part!
My only concern is that every time you post a review like this I now have to go buy a new bottle of Bourbon :-)
So true...
What's the problem????
I've never heard the flavors of whiskey described in so much detail before or with so much passion or imagined it could have so many different flavors!
Fantastic blind flight review, Jason! The KC 12 sounds great to pick up next. More bottles to look out for! Cheers brother
Aweosme episode Jason! Love these types of tastings and head to heads, would love to see more!🥃
I've been debating on grabbing a KC12 after I picked up a 8.5 year SiB pick and wasn't digging it as much as I had hoped, but it may just need to open up a bit still. Fun lineup, thanks for another informative video!
Cool review! I haven't tried any of these. But I finally cracked my Elijah Craig BP C919 (your review a couple months back convinced me I had to get a bottle) what an incredible experience! A single dram lasted all evening! Cheers!!!
The ecbp can definitely last all night. Lol. Cheers!
In all honesty I was happy to see that Weller 12 did so well.
I've not had any of these (yet), but your ranking is exactly what I expected. Old Forester Birthday Bourbon and Knob Creek 12 are both near the top of my "to buy" list, though KC 12 is far more obtainable.
I pretty much guessed as you took notes and I was spot on. Although I couldn’t figure out why you chose that Calumet. That is one skunk of a pour. Great episode!
Great review. I'm now on the lookout for KC 12. Cheers!
Me too. I can find it in one store so far for $90
👏 I haven't tried any of these but I keep learning as I watch. Thank you again
Catching up on older episodes I missed. I have 3 bottles of Knob Creek 12 on my shelf. One of my favorites. Great channel.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes! Been waiting for a video that covers that beautiful and amazing sweet spot. Cheers buddy! Another slammer 🥃
Well done review Jason. Not surprised by the results . I would have ranked these exactly the same.
You do a great job with your reviews i watch alot of bourbon reviews and must say your as good at it
As anyone out there . Keep up the good work.
Appreciate it Greg! I try to be as honest as I can. Cheers
Very nice review I've had the Weller 12 and most of the Weller line up. Nice but not chart breaking in my view. Definitely looking to try that Old Forrester your profile of that one hits my sweet spot looking to compare your notes to my pallette. Great job.
KC store picks are so good for the 💰
I’ve got a couple 11’s 12 and 14
Yes they are. the 12 year KC at 100 proof is interesting. Definitely a more vanilla flavor profile for me.
I agree. But I think moving forward all the new store picks are only going to 9 year
Another Great Review Jason! I really like KC. I have pick one up. Wellers and OF Birthday Bourbon are not available or insane price in area. Thanks. Cheers!
Nice 12 year flight Jason!! The Ranking was right on time my friend!!! Cheers Jason!!🥃
I always love your confidence in your tasting notes.
As a cigar smoker and a bourbon lover, I really appreciate your videos!
New to this but a gift of Red Breast 12 from my son just got me started at 61 years old to enjoying and collecting. Thanks again for the info!
Watching again a year later and 180 bottles into my journey! I really enjoy the Knob Creek 12yr and the 1792 12yr! The Weller 12 yr is a really nice wheated pour! Cheers!
Nice job, great information!! (May have been fairer to use current editions I.E. current Old Forrester vs. your favorite OF). I'll be looking for the Knob Creek 12 and the 1792.
Yeah but the newest one is 11 years so I figured I'd put the 12 in there.
Great lineup, I’m actually a big fan of that Knob 12. Need to find a backup. And I’m opening that 2018 OFBB on May 30th for my 40th birthday! Can’t wait
Oh its sooooo good. Cheers!
Awesome lineup! I love the Knob Creek 12 yr, I agree that it is better than Weller 12
Love Knob 12! One of my favorites. Not I need to keep an eye out for OF Bday bourbon! Great vid
Amazing tastings: a case of Knob12 then, since OldFore12 is not available here . . . love yr show.
Now that was a thoroughly enjoyable watch Jason. Great job. Cheers.
Thanks Al!! Glad you enjoyed!
Awesome video! My sister just got me a bottle of the Knobb Creek 12 year last week for a birthday present. I asked her to go back and I'd pay her for another. So good! Really want to try the OF now.
Yeah it's a vanilla bomb on the nose. Great balance. Enjoy it!
I’ve heard calumet was Barton’s distillate, so I’d expect 1792 to have the preferred barrels. Haven’t had the Weller or OFBB and the Knob 12 is my favorite.
So when you unveiled your list of 12 year options, there was no question the Old Forester would win, but I am glad the 1 attainable bourbon of Knob Creek 12 year finished second. Love Old Forester, just never even seen it available. Thanks and great review!
Thanks. I think Elijah Craig barrel proof may have won out overall but being barrel proof I didn't think it would have been fair.
The Mash and Drum yeah once I saw your lineup and the proofs I was glad you didn’t include ECBP.
Knob creek 12 is super underrated. But the more recent batches of knob smell more like a berry cheesecake smell. Lot of oak too. Not as much vanilla as this one
Well done! Good information.
W12 is overrated. Good honest review.
𝕊𝕠𝕞𝕖 𝕤𝕥𝕠𝕣𝕖 𝕡𝕚𝕔𝕜𝕤 𝕠𝕗 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕖𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝕪𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕒𝕣𝕖 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕟𝕠𝕞𝕖𝕟𝕒𝕝.
Shh! It's terrible, do not listen to this man.
I don't think it's overrated at MSRP. But double and triple that, it's not worth it.
I love these - blind tastings just take out the label bias and bring it down to whats actually in the glass....lots for me to think about! What is your favorite in the Old Forester lineup? I have yet to try them but sounds like I need to now :)
Great review!
Amazed that other than the O.F. B-Day, Knob Crick 12 handed everything else a whipping from your palate. Then a few months later it ends up Breaking Bourbon's 2020 Whiskey of the Year. Picked up 1 myself today and then re-caught this video. Fun blind taster and a cool panel with the All 12 year. I'm not a general underdog shill but nice to see a cheaper bottle do so well
Coincidentally, I’m in Lexington for a few days and the first stop had a lone bottle of KC12.... but not $60 unfortunately. Never seen it in my home state of Texas. Visiting Barton/1792 on Monday and probably another distillery on the way home. Anything I should be on the lookout for?
Another great bit of content.
I'm really enjoying your channel and particularly like this match up because I got my bottle of Knob Creek 12 just today and agree completely with your notes. Now if I could just get that bottle of OF birthday 12. Fat chance!!
On point, as always 🙌🏽
When you said musty I knew it was Weller. The Knob Creek is outstanding. Do a 50/50 with Angels Envey and KC you will be shocked with that blend.
Great review Jason. Maybe one day I’ll catch up to an OF BB for a decent secondary price. I missed the drawing in my area for it LY. Always this year though.
Couldn't get one last year. Hoping this year I get one.
Good review. Old Medley would hold up well with these.
Finally got around to opening my Knob Creek 12 yr. WOW, to me I now laugh at Blantons! Really coats the palate with a sweet/oaky taste that give a great smooth long finish. For the money this is one of the best values in bourbon. It is only beaten by Wild Turkey 101 for value.
Agreed. Birthday Bourbon is an all-time must have. Surprised about the Weller-I've heard good reviews. A bad rick? Hmm ... 🤔
Also, a shame about the Calumet not disclosing sources. I get it, but if I'm paying for a 10-yr. or better, damned right I want to know what's in it! 🥃🥃
Couldn't agree more!
Since you had the black saddle 12 year in the background, I thought for sure it was going to be in on the tasting. I was curious to what you think of it.
Great job man.. My favorite 12 year (that's not a store pick from KC) would be ECBP.. If that is the sweet spot ill take it everytime
Would have added that one but would have stuck out at that crazy proof compared to these. lol Cheers!
@@TheMashandDrum oh no doubt lol.. Gunna have to get that KC12 now.. seen too many good things about it and wish I didn't pass on it now.. but oh well ha.. cheers man
I just p/u Knob Creek 12. ❤️ it!
Thank you for the entertainment.
Nice job Jason
Damn! I was getting for $12-14/shot down in Lexington through early 2019, then it disappeared from the bars.
Really good analysis of the quality of aged bourbon at the front end of the video. Many of the 12 years are very hard to find and frankly not often worth the effort. I have Weller 12 and prefer Antique 107. Paying more than $100 for Weller 12 is just not worth it. I'll purchase 107 anytime I can but will not be purchasing W12 again.
The knob Creek is pretty damn good and easier to find. Cheers and thanks for watching!
Another great one, Jason. Well done, sir. Thanks to you and your high quality vids, I now consider myself a scotch and a bourbon guy. Love them both equally. Hey, where did you get the Teeling Pot Still, and what batch is it? Been looking high and low for that one here in WA state w/no luck.
Got it in Texas. First batch. You can taste the youth to it but it's really high quality and sweet.
Thanks!
Great video!
Hey Jason. Just watched your 12 yr blind tasting. Curious why you didn’t choose that Black Saddle 12yr in the background? Much better than the Calumet.
So basically, knob creek wins 🏆🤔 (due to availability and price). Good video though 🥃🥃
that kc12 is $47 here and an absolute steal for that price
Hey Jason, I'm hearing Great things about the Joseph Magnus Cigar bourbon, have you tried it? Any thoughts?
I LOVE that stuff! Still trying to get another bottle.
The takeaway: Knob Creek 12 is the s*** among readily-sourceable 12-year-olds - which confirms my choice for the next bottle to pick up. Thanks, M & D!
hi there . i have had 1792 and knob creek too but i have to say that the 1792 is my favourite of the two
The 1792 is becoming more than of my favorite as it opens up. It's getting sweeter to balance out the oak. If I did this again the 1792 would probably take 2nd I think.
of course here in Canada I cant find any of them
By musty, funky notes, do you mean somewhat of a barnyard note? That is what I get on the 107, but for some reason, not to its detriment. Thanks for this blind shootout. Ironically, the only one I have is the Weller 12. $46CAD. Bought 2 but shoulda bought way more. Cheers Jason
Yeah kind of like a stale wheat bread type scent. It happens with wheaters sometimes.
Great video
I find my taste preferences align closely with yours. I have never tried the Old Forester ( really hard to find Birthday Bourbon!) but I love KC 12 and am not impressed by Weller 12, nor Pappy 12 for that matter!
Nice job.
So often some of the Whiskey's I try can't hold up to a strong cigar or a strong cigar overpowers the Rye.
I think it's interesting that you state older does not mean better. I totally agree. Some may disagree, but I think the 20y and 23y Pappy is not nearly as good as the 15y ones. I've had bottles where the first couple of pours actually taste like a dusty old barrel to me. I much prefer the 15y. I've never had a bad pour of 15y. It sucks that the Bourbon boom has made a lot of great bottles hard to impossible to get. This was not the case 25 years ago. As a drinker who lives in Kentucky and grew up on Bourbon, I've been lucky enough to try almost all of them. I can't do blind taste tests because I instantly recognize most of them. These Bourbon makers need to get on the ball and increase production. I know they're scared to death the boom will die down but Bourbon is no longer seen as your grandfathers drink. I don't think it's going anywhere.
This is gonna be good! Though I gotta say Jason C, every time I hear about a fight amongst 12 year olds I can’t help but think back to the days of youtube when the pewds had legions of 12 year olds fighting for him XD
HAHAHAHA! Can't forget about that!
Happy birthday old Forester!
Just walked away from a stag and a 12 yr old Weller both were $299.99 an hour ago
I am honored to be your first view today. Lowest price I have seen Weller 12 is $89 at some Indian liquor store in a Chicago suburb. Should have picked it up. Birthday Bourbon there was $300. I picked up Weller Full Proof instead for $200 and Old Fitzgerald 15 for $300 - both probably way overpriced.
Weller Full Proof is definitly overpriced but that Old Fitz 15 is amazing. Maybe not 300 but pretty damn close. Cheers! Thanks for being the first!
Where at ?
Erik panozzo It was at some obscure Indian liquor store in a suburb of Chicago that doesn’t have a web presence. I wish I could tell you it’s name. But I don’t remember it as I was only visiting Chicago for two days to attend a wedding in a suburb just south of Chicago.
Would be interesting to add a few kore bottles like Jd 12, wt12 and ew12
Just got me a bottle of Knob Creek 12. My gf loves it, so which means I just bought my gf a bottle of Knob Creek 12. I already miss that bottle
Scored a bottle of KC12 today!
Nothing against Gen Y, but I wish they would've gotten into scotch rather than bourbon. The "bourbon boom" that Gen Y caused has made most of my favorites become very hard to find and WAY overpriced. 20 years ago, I routinely bought Blanton's and Rock Hill Farms for $45 to $55 per bottle, and Pappy was regularly on the shelf. If I had known Gen Y was going to buy up all the bourbon and cause even Weller Special Reserve to be hard to find, I would've bought a bunch of Pappy, Blanton's and Rock Hill Farms in the early 2000's. I was so used to them being easy to get, and now it's just frustrating to watch people pay an absurd $500 to $1000 for Pappy 15.
Results at 17:00
Loved the line up of 12 yr. My choice of drinks is scotch, but I do have about 20 bottles of bourbon and enjoy drinking them on occasion. Great review.
What scotch would you recommend Keith?
What do you use to cleanse your palate between samples?
just filtered water
Didn’t have any of these but really enjoyed Michter’s 10 year & whistle pig 🐷 15
Great rundown! Very interesting results. I'm a huge fan of that new Knob Creek 12 year. Not surprised to see it doing well. Also even though I've only had a couple pours, I've always thought the Weller 12 was a bit overrated. So not surprised to see it near the bottom. Gimme that 107 all day!
Great video Jason.
I would love to see you repeat this later this year once they release the Jack Daniel's 12 Year. You may not be able to get another 12 Year B-Day Bourbon, but maybe you could replace it with an Old Rip Lot-B?
Knob Creek 12
Jack 12
1792 12
Weller 12
Old Rip Lot B (12 year)
and if you could find either a Sam Houston 12 Year or a Calumet Farm 12 Y, that would round out the flight very nicely.
Or anything else that has a 13 year age statement without being a store pick/group pick. Perhaps you could add an ECBP?
At least the knob creek is available...
What I take from this is that Barton is really bringing the value. Is there a cheaper good oak bomb on the market? I doubt it.
@inf0phreak woodford double oak about 56 in nj
Some of these companies are shifting to a method where they put deep grooves in the staves of the barrel to increase surface area for both Char and flavor. Is this something that you've noticed more as the Bourbons age?
Kc 12 is a huge hitter. I would probably take OFBB over a pappy... I have never even seen a bottle in person
I'd love to see a r i only video. I'm not a real kind of sewer of rye, but I do enjoy the right Rye with a great dark cigar. I love the pepper Enos and spiciness the compliments the strength of a real high end quality super premium cigar.
Do you think some of what you were tasting may have been that the bourbon you tasted the last was the lowest proof? Maybe that had something to do with why it tasted more Okie and less sweet?
The prices this guy is calling out woukd be a dream out here in nyc. 70 dollars for a knob 12? What? 12 weller 150? Lol. Special reserve goes for about 80-90 here. Insane.
Walked past the 2018 Old Forster 3x's lol Now I wish I had brought it #ROFL The 1792 explanation has taught me what oak is so thank you. Got that bottle, and could never figure out that taste. Just picked up the 12 Knob Creek, after seeing it 2x's in the store. Said what the hell, and grabbed it! The others I don't have or even have seen in the store. #594th Thumbs up!
Still haven't tasted the W12 but finally saw 3 bottles on the shelf two months ago @ $300 each. 😄🤑 Someday someone will buy them!! Not sure if I'd spend over $75. Cheers!! FYI = I'm very happy with Rebel Yell SiB 10 year for a great wheater @ $60.
Absolutely!!! RY 10 is a great bourbon. Love that stuff.
I was lucky and got it retail
That's what it's called a Museum 🤣
@@BadWeatherfreak Update = that store now has W12 priced at $400 and another store in the area is at $1,000!!! UFR!!
you left out Elijah Craig Barrel proof, I like it better than the Knob Creek. Even enjoyed the KC 120 proof better than the 12 year, would definitely spend the $60 on EC Barrel proof over KC
Respect!
Calumet, is definitely a Heaven Hill product.
Nice review Jason. As soon as the border reopens in NY I can resume my Whisky trading and my last Weller 12 will go to anyone with a decent store pick I don't have. If not it will get blended with the OWA 107 just like the last 4 did.
Weller 12 is great trade bait. Lol
All that vanilla you identified in every one of those Bourbons except the first one. Calumet is a vanilla bomb. Surprised you rather dogged the Calumet out. That is my fave!
There was definitely vanilla but the oak on the back end was bitter and funky. Not that it's a bad thing..just not my thing. Cheers!
KC 12 is on my short list. I see it for $60 in my area.
You must have to drink a lot every day to get as good as you are at this stuff. Are you looking for any assistants? I think I would like working for you.