Hi all! I've been told by a couple of people that my intro/title is problematic for epilepsy sufferers. Just wanted to say I'm sorry about that and I'll be changing it for future videos. Thanks for watching!
Ok here is an argument for the suspended funicular, if the terrain below the funicular is uneven to the point where the entire thing will have to be build on a tall bridge material can be saved on making a bridge that only supports one rail at each side as opposed to a bridge that holds up two rails at each side. The savings are somewhat offset by the fact that the suspended funicular railway needs to be build taller, to accommodate the suspension of the carriage rather than the traditional funicular railway.
If Seilschwebebahn attracts your curiosity, you should have a look at Behördendeutsch. It sounds completely silly even to native speakers, but is delivered in government offices with a seriousness that rivals any Monty Python sketch.
I would recommend just using the animated section of the intro btw. Your videos were randomly recommended to me by the mighty YT algorithm so you're doing some things right. I appreciate the nerdery and silliness of your videos. They're well put together!
6:22 I can explain the difference. German compound words have two parts: The Grundwort (baseword) and the Bestimmungswort (determinative word). To make things really difficult for non-natives, the Grundwort is the last word. So you have to wait for the speaker to finish the word completely until you get an idea what it is about, because the most important information comes last. If you have compounds of compounds as in this case, original Grundwort and Bestimmungswort form a new Grundwort, and now you have a second determinative. But to confuse non-natives even more, it could also be a compound as a Bestimmungswort for a new Grundwort. You can imagine it like parentheses in a mathematical formula. There is a difference between a Schwebe(Seil(Bahn)) and a Seil(Schwebe(Bahn)) and a (Schwebe(Seil))Bahn. All three are a Bahn (a path or way fixed in place), but one is a Schwebebahn (a floating or elevated rail) powered by a rope. The second one is a Seilbahn (a ropeway) , suspended from its rail. The third one is a Bahn (a railway) operated by a Schwebeseil (floating rope). As you can see, first and third are easily confused, as they form the same word Schwebeseilbahn, but mean different things. So officials decided to go with the second one, as this is the best and least confusing description of the system, because it's not the rope that is floating, it's the carriages.
Wouldn't it be the other way round? So Schwebe(Seil(Bahn)) is a ropeway that is suspended and Seil(Schwebe(Bahn)) is a Schwebebahn powered by a rope? Or did I misunderstand something?
@joram77 is right and that makes the official "Schwebeseilbahn" even more confusing even for Germans, because when I would hear it, I would assume a ropeway ("Seilbahn") that is floating ("Schwebe") above something. This is even more shocking considering how important correct usage of compound nouns is for officials. If the pillars wouldn't be connected to the ground, I would probably be able to accept it as this would be something really particular, but this way, they clearly messed it up.
Depending on the learners first language, the concept isn't really alien. Because if you compare it to how adjectives relate to nouns, they too often precede the noun, rather than coming after. Including the problem of ordering them, should there be more than one adjective. In which case one might relate to the other, rather than all of them to the noun. And englisch also has compound words, it's just that more often than not this isn't denoted by skipping the space. eg "network load balancing" is a compound. Including the question whether it is "network load" being balanced, or cpu load VIA the network.
We should note that the funiculars of Loschwitz and the Blue Wonder steel bridge were not commissioned or sponsored by the City of Dresden. At the time of construction, Blasewitz, Loschwitz and Oberloschwitz were separate villages. And the funiculars connect to two different places, to Weißer Hirsch, where a large spa and health resort was operating, the Lahmannsches Sanatorium, and to Oberloschwitz, which opened the path to the Schönfelder Hochland (Schoenfeld Uplands). At the time, Dresden's tram ended in Blasewitz, and the funicilars together with the bridge provided access from both places. The tram to Bühlau, which connected Weißer Hirsch, opened a few years after the Standseilbahn in 1899, and the Bühlauer Außenbahn to the Schoenfeld Uplands in 1908.
@@peterjansen7929 Mainly yes. Many of the old villages were Slavic settlements. And the ending -itz (formerly Slavic -ice) means settlement. The w in front is what remained from the old Slavic Genitiv Plural ending -ev or -ov. Vakhovice turned into Wachwitz, Loshevice turned into Loschwitz, Blasevice into Blasewitz. There are exceptions though: Niederpoyritz, Pillnitz, Merbitz (the later one probably was Merovice before, with the v morphing into a b). But there are other Slavic place names in Dresden. Laubegast, Strehlen, Podemus - even Dresden itself is of Slavic origin, with the original rendering being something like Dresdany.
@@peterjansen7929 A lot of them are. Personally I'm quite fond of Blasewitz. Without having done any research, I believe these names are leftover from Slavic settlers, as a lot of towns across the Czech border are called "-vice" (with c being pronounced z, making it sound like wietze to Germans)
@@SiqueScarface Thank you for an enlightening reply. I always thought that those place names were like personal names in "-witz", "-witsch" etc., much like my own family name's ending "-sen", and that in some remote way the Irish prefix "Fitz-" was probably related to those names, too, so that they all derived from sons. New knowledge is particularly valued when it replaces old misconceptions, so thank you again!
Around 15 years ago I met an elderly lady called Isolde (so Wagnerian) who lived in Dresden as a child and was cycling home from a music lesson outside the centre when the bombing began. She only survived because of going to that lesson.
I have lived in Dresden for 7 years now and I'm kinda proud to have been on it at least once cause that is still more than the majority of the population
The question is whether it does that any more effectively than building a bridge with rails on it. For a non-suspended railway the bridge can be ~3m lower (thus needing lower supports) and doesn't really need any more substantial tracks.
It was probably pulling from information on suspended trains in general, monorails especially, because they kind of fall into the same category and it’s a key criticism you see time and time again.
People make a big deal out of the Dresden firebombing killing 25,000 Germans but on March 9, 1945 there was a firebombing of Tokyo that killed over 100,000 people and between March and the surrender in August a total of 350,000 civilians were killed in multiple cities in preparation for the invasion.
With all the war mongers around these days it't important to mention that war sucks and kills a lot of people both civilians and military - and is the single thing the government usually can do best. After the war the communists took over and rebuilt the city center in their not even unique but very boring style with prefabricated appartment blocks which some see as the secound destruction. It took a turn for the better after the fall of communism in the 90ies and early 2000s when Dresden citizens, with donation from all over Germany and the world managed to rebuild their Frauenkirche, against all odds and an even then increasingly woke zeitgeist. That inspired the reconstruction of a large part of the historic centre which is again a marvel of architecture - but with modern infrastructure.
A friend of mine lives right around the corner of the Schwebebahn. He says that there is a "Villenviertel" on top of the hill, that means there were and are very wealthy people and they wanted to trump the other cablerailway.
Yes, there are many wealth Houses but the Point is one Hill is a Sanatorium Spa of old culture and the other Hill to connect another village in old time but today it is all part of Dresden.
Best regards from Dresden and thank you for the video. Both funiculars are part of the public transport system of the city. The connect the districts of Loschwitz with Oberloschwitz and Bühlau/Weißer Hirsch. Both upper districts a separated by a valley.
Fully paid up German here: Funicular is Latin for ropeway as in cable car. In German, that is Seilbahn (pron. "zyle-"). But they normally run on tracks ("Standseilbahn"). Here, the thing is suspended, so it would correctly be a "Schwebeseilbahn". "Schweben" means to swing, to dangle, to hang etc. But the engineer here (I've already forgotten his name) called his inventions "Schwebebahnen", so some beaurocrat at some stage saw fit to prefix a "Seil-" to move the thing in line with other such products (despite there not being any, this is Germany). "Seil-" focuses on the method of propulsion, "Schwebe-" on the method of construction, so they don't contradict each other.
Thank you for the video. I have been there 2 weeks ago and plan to use the Restaurant next time around. It is e beautiful peace of public infrastructure. In conjunction with the Steamships the blue Wonder Bridge und the history of the whole surroundings. Dresden art the time of construction was a place of technological and Medicine Marvel. People around the world came to Medical institutions on the Hills behind the Schwebeseilbahn and Standseilbahn. Even a World Fair has been conducted in the middle of Dresden. The world's first hygiene Museum and the worlds first model city for workers Build by the responsible owners of a factory. Combining work health culture and knowledge. Die Hellerauer Werkstätten. So this is no wonder that was the place to be.
Greetings from Dresden, thanks for showing this to people. edit: I believe the words work like this: Schwebeseilbahn: Schwebe- = schweben, sich über dem Boden befinden. Seilbahn = eine Bahn, die an Seilen befestigt ist. a cable railway, that is floating Seilschwebebahn: Seil- = das Seil als technisches Element. Schwebebahn = eine Bahn, die schwebt. a floating railway, that is attached to a cable
Seilschwebebahn = a float-train with rope somewhere Schwebeseilbahn = floating cablecar To understand the differences: Schwebebahn is the German word for suspension railway, while Seilbahn is the word for cablecar. Bahn in general is not railway, but "engineered somewhat straight path or area". A railway is an Eisenbahn, while other Bahns like a Reeperbahn (rope-maker workspace, typically a straight sufficiently wide street), Stoffbahn (a long sheet of fabric) or a Schießbahn (a lot with 1 single target on a shooting range), being not related to vehicles at all.
Generally speaking, compound words in German follow the same modifier-head structure as in English. A suspended railway is a kind of railway, a "Seilbahn" is a kind of "Bahn". This is also true for compounds in compounds, therefore a "Seilschwebebahn" is a kind of "Schwebebahn" (funicular) and a "Schwebeseilbahn" is a kind of "Seilbahn" (ropeway). In short, it seems to have been reclassified from a Schwebebahn to a ropeway, although the name they chose is a little redundant (see below): Seilschwebebahn: litearlly "rope suspended railway" i.e., a suspended railway using a rope (unlike the Wuppertal version which uses...motors on the train?) Schwebeseilbahn: "floating rope way" - bit of a doubling going on there because as far as technically possible, they always do that. Although the name might derive from the German word for a normal funicular, which is "Standseilbahn" meaning standing ropeway (as opposed to one hanging from the rope). This one does neither and thus a new name was needed (no idea if that is the reason, just an idea I had).
This was excellent. Informative and funny. I wait with tented fingers to see if the humour lands when you leave Germany and can no longer use compound nouns to comic effect.
Ah, the funicular railways and their names (or nicknames...) The one in Stuttgart is called "legacy hunter express" since it connects to a graveyard. ;-)
I would consider myself a "transit nerd" (lol), but even I hadn't heard of this. Thanks for making a video about it. It's very whacky and the kind of thing you'd expect us to have built in England, probably.
6:00 Nah, we will always find a way to argue that we really, really need a new law allowing electric, but not petrol-driven lawnmowers, to be used between the hours 15:00 and 16:00 on Sundays, even in the greatest crisis. We'd call it the Elektrorasenmähersonntagskaffezeiterlaubnisgesetz and people would definitely fight zombie hordes in order to protest for or against it.
You don’t need to cycle to it. Get the tram to the blue bridge and the it’s a short walk over the bridge to the funicular stations. Both are well worth the visit. Dressed is a cracking place with several ng railways close by, and a superb tram system plus several Braun houses !
if you are on this side of the river Elbe you can see Blaues Wunder (the bridge) both the Bergbahnen .... but the former streetcar to Pillnitz is sadly no longer existing ...
6:10 sure I can. You see, the words are in a different order, which means you say the other word first. Hope this helps. SCRN. Anyway, compared to English we order adjectives in Order of importance. Meaning a "Seilgeführte, schwebende Bahn" means that the cable is the more important adjective, while a "Schwebende, seilgeführte Bahn" means that the fact that it's "hovering" is more important to the speaker. But in this case we're not talking about two adjectives being added to a noun, but instead "Schwebebahn" and "Seilbahn" are already established words. So here the decision to make is "is this more a different kind of "Seilbahn" or a different kind of "Schwebebahn". And the decision was to call it "different kind of Seilbahn". Note that Seilbahn actually means just "cable" and "train". While most people assume that the German word only refers to those danging things you find in ski resorts, that's actually called "Luftseilbahn" in German. "air-cable-train". So the "hover-cable-train" maybe makes more sense now.
In German compound words, the most important word is at the end. So a Schwebeseilbahn is a Seilbahn which schwebs, which is a Bahn with a Seil which schwebs. A Seilschwebebahn is a Schwebebahn with a Seil, which is a Bahn which schwebs with a Seil. And now explain Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz.
I presume, that a Schwebeseilbahn is a funiclular on a suspended right of way, a Seilschwebebahn is a suspended railway on a rope track. i.e a cable way with self propelled gondolas. The had such a system at the Mannheim Garden fair in like the 70s called teh Aerobus.
Well there is/ was a suspended funicular used as a ski lift in Heiligenblut in Carinthia (Tunnelbahn Fleißalm) it is basically two groups of cabins pulled by a rope running on a suspended rail... it runs mostly underground, but I think technically it should be a suspended funicular.
Why it was build: The uphill endpoints of those funiculars serve two separated hills with a steep valley in between ... so going directly from one endpoint to the other to share a single funicular wasnt possible. The common funicular came first in 1895 and the rich folk on the other hill probably were simply jealous and demanded their own engineering wonder. As for why it was suspended ... the incline there is too steep and the route far too short for a typical funicular on ground to cross the roads which are on that hillside. The roads would have to go or extremely tilted sideways for a crossing if a common funicular were chosen. So they needed a solution which went over the two roads ... hence suspension. All fairly rational in that particular circumstance. Why it never caught on? well, cable cars are just cheaper and solve practicly the same problem ... just that back then rich folk werent about cheap, but about novelty and impressing people.
At 8:06 why not just use Tram Line 12 to Schillerplatz and walk the short Way to Schwebebahn or use at Schillerplatz Bus 63 to drive to Körnerplatz where is the Schwebebahn ? Or you use Tram Line 11 and drive to "Weißer Hirsch" Station and walk the Plattleite Street to drive with Schwebebahn down to Körnerplatz. Greeting from Dresden
Interesting, but at 1:30 when you say "the first funicular for public use was opened in France in 1862", the funicular you show is not in France; I should know, it's just a few miles from me in Los Angeles, California, USA; it's called "Angel's Flight"; it opened in 1996, not 1862.
@RobbieHatley Oh don't worry I know that's the Angel's Flight - I just couldn't find any footage of the old Lyon one! It closed in 1968. So I picked any old funicular
Die Schwebebahn und die Standseilbahn are both called Bergbahn and Seilbahn. The other combinations are maybe from absent minded, or pranksters or something similar.
The naming is simply due to German gramer - which in fact is exactly the same way as in English (*1), just leaving out the spaces inbetween (*2). The defining part is always the last, all upfront parts are about detail in sequence of ever finer definition. So a 'railway' is a Bahn (literally track). 'Cable railway' is Seilbahn and if that Seilbahn is floating (aka dangling from a rail), its a 'floating cable railway' Schwebeseilbahn. Simple, isn't it? *1 - At least in proper English. Just think 'Dresden tram shelter' ... would sound strange any other way or even create a different meaning. *2 - The word 'railway' itself makes a pretty good example in English as well, a way made of rails
Mainly it is a possibility for pedestrians to reach from top to bottom of The Valley. There are people living up there…..1901 a time where personell cars where not so much as today and a Tramline where incredible complicate to build because of the steepness. So it’s a part o public transport… not more and not less…. Later they added the restaurants.
Die Schwebebahn has only small invasive points to the ground. since there were privat gardens , small vine cultivation and nearly no terraforming needed and the steel a modern evolving matter ... and in all the r time when no wagen passes you can use the street totally normal
That IS an improvement! I once tested Eugene Goostman (the chatbot that some claimed had passed the Turing Test). 'He' liked chocolate cake with tomato ketchup, although he had never eaten anything. He complained that I tried to catch out a poor Jewish boy, then didn't understand the Jewish calendar, though when I asked whether he hadn't even eaten anything at his bar mitzvah party, he stated that his father asked him the same thing once. He is supposedly Ukrainian, but predictably couldn't read cyrillic letters when I used them. This was before the war, so he wouldn't have a political excuse. Everything had either two or four legs, with him settling on probably three. Amazingly, he stuck to this pattern when I suggested a tripod, so that he actually utilized the opportunity to get something right. He sensibly evaded questions whenever possible, not being sure whether a green tie would go with an ultraviolet suit, and always tried to turn the tables on me by asking questions instead of answering. What he mostly wanted to know was, what I did for a living. For a while, I claimed that it was a secret. Finally, I claimed to be a Blade Runner, which he found interesting.
25,000 people from Dresden were killed in the air raid on Feb. 13th/14th, 1945. The city was packed with Refuges at the time of the bombing. The total number of casualties must have been horrifying, as more than 500,000 people were missing after the raid. Estimates from Swiss historians talk about a figure exceeding the number of victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki together.
Fick meine alte gummi stiefel. Das ist aber Herrvoragend. Keep up the good work and I want to see you say "WhatOnEarthIsThat" about the steepest railway in the world. (Sadly not a Funicular but just cable hauled)
There is (or was - I think it recently closed) something vaguely similar (though far madder and more spectacular) - the 'Sky Rail' near Hiroshima, Japan. Something like a cross between a cable car and a suspended monorail. See ruclips.net/video/hGE_S4B2nec/видео.html
No, monorails the carriages move independently along the single rail. While this has a single rail, it is dependent on the pulley and counter carriage (although a counterweight could be used instead).
@@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing No worries. And if you need inspiration for a new intro: I think your channel was recommended to me because I watch Tim Traveller. His intro is rather amusing, and he even plays a bit of music himself in each video.
On the contrary, the Wuppertal one has a practical background because they wanted a railway to run down the course of the river but both riversides were already built up with houses and streets, and dangling it from a floating track meant it could run on top of the river out of everyone's way. This on the other hand looks like a proof of concept, except that the Dresden one was actually approved after the Wuppertal one and they both started construction the same year and opened the same year. Maybe it was meant as a proof of concept that simply got delayed, or maybe it was meant as a proof of concept specifically for inclines that Langen hope would have practical appeal elsewhere.
Most of your German pronunciation is pretty ok, but you're badly off the mark with the way you say the "Seil" element of Seilschwebebahn etc. Seil is not pronounced like the English words "sale" and "sail" the way you do but like "zile" (i.e. mile but starting with a "z")!
Hi all! I've been told by a couple of people that my intro/title is problematic for epilepsy sufferers. Just wanted to say I'm sorry about that and I'll be changing it for future videos. Thanks for watching!
Ok here is an argument for the suspended funicular, if the terrain below the funicular is uneven to the point where the entire thing will have to be build on a tall bridge material can be saved on making a bridge that only supports one rail at each side as opposed to a bridge that holds up two rails at each side. The savings are somewhat offset by the fact that the suspended funicular railway needs to be build taller, to accommodate the suspension of the carriage rather than the traditional funicular railway.
If Seilschwebebahn attracts your curiosity, you should have a look at Behördendeutsch. It sounds completely silly even to native speakers, but is delivered in government offices with a seriousness that rivals any Monty Python sketch.
I would recommend just using the animated section of the intro btw. Your videos were randomly recommended to me by the mighty YT algorithm so you're doing some things right. I appreciate the nerdery and silliness of your videos. They're well put together!
6:22 I can explain the difference. German compound words have two parts: The Grundwort (baseword) and the Bestimmungswort (determinative word). To make things really difficult for non-natives, the Grundwort is the last word. So you have to wait for the speaker to finish the word completely until you get an idea what it is about, because the most important information comes last.
If you have compounds of compounds as in this case, original Grundwort and Bestimmungswort form a new Grundwort, and now you have a second determinative. But to confuse non-natives even more, it could also be a compound as a Bestimmungswort for a new Grundwort. You can imagine it like parentheses in a mathematical formula. There is a difference between a Schwebe(Seil(Bahn)) and a Seil(Schwebe(Bahn)) and a (Schwebe(Seil))Bahn. All three are a Bahn (a path or way fixed in place), but one is a Schwebebahn (a floating or elevated rail) powered by a rope. The second one is a Seilbahn (a ropeway) , suspended from its rail. The third one is a Bahn (a railway) operated by a Schwebeseil (floating rope). As you can see, first and third are easily confused, as they form the same word Schwebeseilbahn, but mean different things. So officials decided to go with the second one, as this is the best and least confusing description of the system, because it's not the rope that is floating, it's the carriages.
As a german I must say… I‘ve learned a lot about my language now! Thank you :D
Wouldn't it be the other way round? So Schwebe(Seil(Bahn)) is a ropeway that is suspended and Seil(Schwebe(Bahn)) is a Schwebebahn powered by a rope? Or did I misunderstand something?
@@joram77 You are right.
@joram77 is right and that makes the official "Schwebeseilbahn" even more confusing even for Germans, because when I would hear it, I would assume a ropeway ("Seilbahn") that is floating ("Schwebe") above something. This is even more shocking considering how important correct usage of compound nouns is for officials. If the pillars wouldn't be connected to the ground, I would probably be able to accept it as this would be something really particular, but this way, they clearly messed it up.
Depending on the learners first language, the concept isn't really alien. Because if you compare it to how adjectives relate to nouns, they too often precede the noun, rather than coming after. Including the problem of ordering them, should there be more than one adjective. In which case one might relate to the other, rather than all of them to the noun. And englisch also has compound words, it's just that more often than not this isn't denoted by skipping the space. eg "network load balancing" is a compound. Including the question whether it is "network load" being balanced, or cpu load VIA the network.
There's a deep valley between the Schwebebahn and the regular funicular, so having two funiculars so close together actually makes sense.
We should note that the funiculars of Loschwitz and the Blue Wonder steel bridge were not commissioned or sponsored by the City of Dresden. At the time of construction, Blasewitz, Loschwitz and Oberloschwitz were separate villages. And the funiculars connect to two different places, to Weißer Hirsch, where a large spa and health resort was operating, the Lahmannsches Sanatorium, and to Oberloschwitz, which opened the path to the Schönfelder Hochland (Schoenfeld Uplands). At the time, Dresden's tram ended in Blasewitz, and the funicilars together with the bridge provided access from both places. The tram to Bühlau, which connected Weißer Hirsch, opened a few years after the Standseilbahn in 1899, and the Bühlauer Außenbahn to the Schoenfeld Uplands in 1908.
That's right! Greeting from Dresden :D
Is every place around there a Witz (joke)?
@@peterjansen7929 Mainly yes. Many of the old villages were Slavic settlements. And the ending -itz (formerly Slavic -ice) means settlement. The w in front is what remained from the old Slavic Genitiv Plural ending -ev or -ov. Vakhovice turned into Wachwitz, Loshevice turned into Loschwitz, Blasevice into Blasewitz. There are exceptions though: Niederpoyritz, Pillnitz, Merbitz (the later one probably was Merovice before, with the v morphing into a b). But there are other Slavic place names in Dresden. Laubegast, Strehlen, Podemus - even Dresden itself is of Slavic origin, with the original rendering being something like Dresdany.
@@peterjansen7929 A lot of them are. Personally I'm quite fond of Blasewitz.
Without having done any research, I believe these names are leftover from Slavic settlers, as a lot of towns across the Czech border are called "-vice" (with c being pronounced z, making it sound like wietze to Germans)
@@SiqueScarface Thank you for an enlightening reply. I always thought that those place names were like personal names in "-witz", "-witsch" etc., much like my own family name's ending "-sen", and that in some remote way the Irish prefix "Fitz-" was probably related to those names, too, so that they all derived from sons.
New knowledge is particularly valued when it replaces old misconceptions, so thank you again!
Just found this video on reddit, and thought this must be a well established RUclips channel, turns out it not.
But I will stick around until it is.
Well thanks for the vote of confidence! Stay tuned for more
It was built to connect 2 districts with affluent population. Affluent people always do weird stuff that sometimes turns out to be quite the sight.
So it had the function of being a status symbol. That always makes sense of what isn't sensible.
Around 15 years ago I met an elderly lady called Isolde (so Wagnerian) who lived in Dresden as a child and was cycling home from a music lesson outside the centre when the bombing began. She only survived because of going to that lesson.
I have lived in Dresden for 7 years now and I'm kinda proud to have been on it at least once cause that is still more than the majority of the population
I can see an advantage to this format, lifting the train over irregularities in the terrain.
The question is whether it does that any more effectively than building a bridge with rails on it. For a non-suspended railway the bridge can be ~3m lower (thus needing lower supports) and doesn't really need any more substantial tracks.
„In a way, its very pointlessness adds to the appeal.“ what a quote… gotta find out where ChatGPT plagiarized that from
It was probably pulling from information on suspended trains in general, monorails especially, because they kind of fall into the same category and it’s a key criticism you see time and time again.
People make a big deal out of the Dresden firebombing killing 25,000 Germans but on March 9, 1945 there was a firebombing of Tokyo that killed over 100,000 people and between March and the surrender in August a total of 350,000 civilians were killed in multiple cities in preparation for the invasion.
With all the war mongers around these days it't important to mention that war sucks and kills a lot of people both civilians and military - and is the single thing the government usually can do best. After the war the communists took over and rebuilt the city center in their not even unique but very boring style with prefabricated appartment blocks which some see as the secound destruction. It took a turn for the better after the fall of communism in the 90ies and early 2000s when Dresden citizens, with donation from all over Germany and the world managed to rebuild their Frauenkirche, against all odds and an even then increasingly woke zeitgeist. That inspired the reconstruction of a large part of the historic centre which is again a marvel of architecture - but with modern infrastructure.
History is written not by the victors, but by people who write history. In this case, hypocritical whiny Leftists wrote the history.
This was awesome! So interesting and you keep it light -- thanks for sharing
What a wonderful new chanel this is
Don‘t joke about the Laufmaschine. It was the predecessor of the modern bicycle, so that’s also a quite German invention.
I promise to never make light of the Laufmaschine again 🙏
@ Mannheim and Karlsruhe still argue about where it originated
When drunk a laufmachine is way better then a bicycle.
All those Beer gartens and so few time to visit them all 😋🍺
A friend of mine lives right around the corner of the Schwebebahn. He says that there is a "Villenviertel" on top of the hill, that means there were and are very wealthy people and they wanted to trump the other cablerailway.
Yes, there are many wealth Houses but the Point is one Hill is a Sanatorium Spa of old culture and the other Hill to connect another village in old time but today it is all part of Dresden.
Best regards from Dresden and thank you for the video. Both funiculars are part of the public transport system of the city. The connect the districts of Loschwitz with Oberloschwitz and Bühlau/Weißer Hirsch. Both upper districts a separated by a valley.
Fully paid up German here: Funicular is Latin for ropeway as in cable car. In German, that is Seilbahn (pron. "zyle-"). But they normally run on tracks ("Standseilbahn"). Here, the thing is suspended, so it would correctly be a "Schwebeseilbahn". "Schweben" means to swing, to dangle, to hang etc. But the engineer here (I've already forgotten his name) called his inventions "Schwebebahnen", so some beaurocrat at some stage saw fit to prefix a "Seil-" to move the thing in line with other such products (despite there not being any, this is Germany). "Seil-" focuses on the method of propulsion, "Schwebe-" on the method of construction, so they don't contradict each other.
schweben means to float and here is clearly a marketing term. Hängebahn would be much more appropriate.
@@svenlakemeier It actually means "to float in the air", being borne by the air, which is here poetic licence. Hängebahn is correct.
such a curious mix of tom scott and jago hazard - i like this monstrosity
This is an extremely flattering comment! I love those two.
@@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing no mate - you are getting there - happy to be a viewer
With a side of "the Tim Traveller" mixed in.
@@robertkirchner7981 bingo
Thank you for the video. I have been there 2 weeks ago and plan to use the Restaurant next time around. It is e beautiful peace of public infrastructure. In conjunction with the Steamships the blue Wonder Bridge und the history of the whole surroundings. Dresden art the time of construction was a place of technological and Medicine Marvel. People around the world came to Medical institutions on the Hills behind the Schwebeseilbahn and Standseilbahn. Even a World Fair has been conducted in the middle of Dresden. The world's first hygiene Museum and the worlds first model city for workers Build by the responsible owners of a factory. Combining work health culture and knowledge. Die Hellerauer Werkstätten. So this is no wonder that was the place to be.
Greetings from Dresden, thanks for showing this to people.
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I believe the words work like this:
Schwebeseilbahn:
Schwebe- = schweben, sich über dem Boden befinden.
Seilbahn = eine Bahn, die an Seilen befestigt ist.
a cable railway, that is floating
Seilschwebebahn:
Seil- = das Seil als technisches Element.
Schwebebahn = eine Bahn, die schwebt.
a floating railway, that is attached to a cable
Thanks! I absolutely loved your city.
@@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing Great to hear. Did you visit the "Carolabrücke" by any chance? It is a landmark (of german engineering) by now.
There is no Carola Bridge in Ba Sing Se 🥲
Seilschwebebahn = a float-train with rope somewhere
Schwebeseilbahn = floating cablecar
To understand the differences: Schwebebahn is the German word for suspension railway, while Seilbahn is the word for cablecar.
Bahn in general is not railway, but "engineered somewhat straight path or area". A railway is an Eisenbahn, while other Bahns like a Reeperbahn (rope-maker workspace, typically a straight sufficiently wide street), Stoffbahn (a long sheet of fabric) or a Schießbahn (a lot with 1 single target on a shooting range), being not related to vehicles at all.
Generally speaking, compound words in German follow the same modifier-head structure as in English. A suspended railway is a kind of railway, a "Seilbahn" is a kind of "Bahn". This is also true for compounds in compounds, therefore a "Seilschwebebahn" is a kind of "Schwebebahn" (funicular) and a "Schwebeseilbahn" is a kind of "Seilbahn" (ropeway). In short, it seems to have been reclassified from a Schwebebahn to a ropeway, although the name they chose is a little redundant (see below):
Seilschwebebahn: litearlly "rope suspended railway" i.e., a suspended railway using a rope (unlike the Wuppertal version which uses...motors on the train?)
Schwebeseilbahn: "floating rope way" - bit of a doubling going on there because as far as technically possible, they always do that. Although the name might derive from the German word for a normal funicular, which is "Standseilbahn" meaning standing ropeway (as opposed to one hanging from the rope). This one does neither and thus a new name was needed (no idea if that is the reason, just an idea I had).
This was excellent. Informative and funny. I wait with tented fingers to see if the humour lands when you leave Germany and can no longer use compound nouns to comic effect.
We rode both funiculars on our first day in Dresden.
Ah, the funicular railways and their names (or nicknames...) The one in Stuttgart is called "legacy hunter express" since it connects to a graveyard. ;-)
I would consider myself a "transit nerd" (lol), but even I hadn't heard of this. Thanks for making a video about it. It's very whacky and the kind of thing you'd expect us to have built in England, probably.
"Pointless... I love it!"
6:00 Nah, we will always find a way to argue that we really, really need a new law allowing electric, but not petrol-driven lawnmowers, to be used between the hours 15:00 and 16:00 on Sundays, even in the greatest crisis. We'd call it the Elektrorasenmähersonntagskaffezeiterlaubnisgesetz and people would definitely fight zombie hordes in order to protest for or against it.
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@@SensibleCreeper happy to have you!
You don’t need to cycle to it. Get the tram to the blue bridge and the it’s a short walk over the bridge to the funicular stations. Both are well worth the visit. Dressed is a cracking place with several ng railways close by, and a superb tram system plus several Braun houses !
if you are on this side of the river Elbe you can see Blaues Wunder (the bridge) both the Bergbahnen ....
but the former streetcar to Pillnitz is sadly no longer existing ...
6:10 sure I can. You see, the words are in a different order, which means you say the other word first. Hope this helps.
SCRN. Anyway, compared to English we order adjectives in Order of importance. Meaning a "Seilgeführte, schwebende Bahn" means that the cable is the more important adjective, while a "Schwebende, seilgeführte Bahn" means that the fact that it's "hovering" is more important to the speaker.
But in this case we're not talking about two adjectives being added to a noun, but instead "Schwebebahn" and "Seilbahn" are already established words. So here the decision to make is "is this more a different kind of "Seilbahn" or a different kind of "Schwebebahn". And the decision was to call it "different kind of Seilbahn".
Note that Seilbahn actually means just "cable" and "train". While most people assume that the German word only refers to those danging things you find in ski resorts, that's actually called "Luftseilbahn" in German. "air-cable-train".
So the "hover-cable-train" maybe makes more sense now.
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Great content here!
In German compound words, the most important word is at the end.
So a Schwebeseilbahn is a Seilbahn which schwebs, which is a Bahn with a Seil which schwebs.
A Seilschwebebahn is a Schwebebahn with a Seil, which is a Bahn which schwebs with a Seil.
And now explain Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz.
"An act to transfer the supervisory tasks regarding the labelling of beef."
I presume, that a Schwebeseilbahn is a funiclular on a suspended right of way, a Seilschwebebahn is a suspended railway on a rope track. i.e a cable way with self propelled gondolas. The had such a system at the Mannheim Garden fair in like the 70s called teh Aerobus.
It reminds me early @TheTimeTraveller channel!
Well there is/ was a suspended funicular used as a ski lift in Heiligenblut in Carinthia (Tunnelbahn Fleißalm) it is basically two groups of cabins pulled by a rope running on a suspended rail... it runs mostly underground, but I think technically it should be a suspended funicular.
There's also, or rather there was also, a cable-hauled suspended monorail in Hiroshima. It closed recently.
Why it was build: The uphill endpoints of those funiculars serve two separated hills with a steep valley in between ... so going directly from one endpoint to the other to share a single funicular wasnt possible. The common funicular came first in 1895 and the rich folk on the other hill probably were simply jealous and demanded their own engineering wonder.
As for why it was suspended ... the incline there is too steep and the route far too short for a typical funicular on ground to cross the roads which are on that hillside. The roads would have to go or extremely tilted sideways for a crossing if a common funicular were chosen. So they needed a solution which went over the two roads ... hence suspension.
All fairly rational in that particular circumstance.
Why it never caught on? well, cable cars are just cheaper and solve practicly the same problem ... just that back then rich folk werent about cheap, but about novelty and impressing people.
This is a cool response! Thanks for the information
I live almost 10 years in dresden. I was at the top, i was at the bottom, i never drove on it.
At 8:06 why not just use Tram Line 12 to Schillerplatz and walk the short Way to Schwebebahn or use at Schillerplatz Bus 63 to drive to Körnerplatz where is the Schwebebahn ? Or you use Tram Line 11 and drive to "Weißer Hirsch" Station and walk the Plattleite Street to drive with Schwebebahn down to Körnerplatz.
Greeting from Dresden
This design makes sense if people or animals need to cross the right of way wherever they need to along the route.
Interesting, but at 1:30 when you say "the first funicular for public use was opened in France in 1862", the funicular you show is not in France; I should know, it's just a few miles from me in Los Angeles, California, USA; it's called "Angel's Flight"; it opened in 1996, not 1862.
@RobbieHatley Oh don't worry I know that's the Angel's Flight - I just couldn't find any footage of the old Lyon one! It closed in 1968. So I picked any old funicular
Putting the "Fun" in "Funicular".
Die Schwebebahn
und die Standseilbahn
are both called Bergbahn
and Seilbahn.
The other combinations are maybe from absent minded, or pranksters or something similar.
The naming is simply due to German gramer - which in fact is exactly the same way as in English (*1), just leaving out the spaces inbetween (*2). The defining part is always the last, all upfront parts are about detail in sequence of ever finer definition. So a 'railway' is a Bahn (literally track). 'Cable railway' is Seilbahn and if that Seilbahn is floating (aka dangling from a rail), its a 'floating cable railway' Schwebeseilbahn. Simple, isn't it?
*1 - At least in proper English. Just think 'Dresden tram shelter' ... would sound strange any other way or even create a different meaning.
*2 - The word 'railway' itself makes a pretty good example in English as well, a way made of rails
2:40 OMG is that a Woolies?
Please get more sidetracked. I like sidetracks.
I wanna go there now!
Did you know that the Suspension railway in Dortmund will be extended? :)
Tag urself (intro photo montage edition): I'm *pointing at pelican while squatting*.
Good video - guy from Dresden
Mainly it is a possibility for pedestrians to reach from top to bottom of The Valley. There are people living up there…..1901 a time where personell cars where not so much as today and a Tramline where incredible complicate to build because of the steepness. So it’s a part o public transport… not more and not less…. Later they added the restaurants.
You know the Germans are happy with your video when, even after 50 comments, no one had the heart to mention the spelling mistakes. Please continue 😉
Die Schwebebahn
has only small invasive points to the ground. since there were privat gardens , small vine cultivation and nearly no terraforming needed and the steel a modern evolving matter ...
and in all the r
time when no wagen passes you can use the street totally normal
Please don't show me chatgpt answers. I don't watch furnicular videos to see halfbaked halftruths. Rest of this video is splendid!
in the beginning of the video is the Carola-Bridge to be seen
Make more vids and get more subs so I can be like I was here when he had 7 subs
Once, I kept pressing Bing (which is powered by ChatGPT) until it told me: look, I'm just an AI.
That IS an improvement! I once tested Eugene Goostman (the chatbot that some claimed had passed the Turing Test). 'He' liked chocolate cake with tomato ketchup, although he had never eaten anything. He complained that I tried to catch out a poor Jewish boy, then didn't understand the Jewish calendar, though when I asked whether he hadn't even eaten anything at his bar mitzvah party, he stated that his father asked him the same thing once.
He is supposedly Ukrainian, but predictably couldn't read cyrillic letters when I used them. This was before the war, so he wouldn't have a political excuse. Everything had either two or four legs, with him settling on probably three. Amazingly, he stuck to this pattern when I suggested a tripod, so that he actually utilized the opportunity to get something right.
He sensibly evaded questions whenever possible, not being sure whether a green tie would go with an ultraviolet suit, and always tried to turn the tables on me by asking questions instead of answering. What he mostly wanted to know was, what I did for a living. For a while, I claimed that it was a secret. Finally, I claimed to be a Blade Runner, which he found interesting.
Tom Scott should have rode it.
25,000 people from Dresden were killed in the air raid on Feb. 13th/14th, 1945. The city was packed with Refuges at the time of the bombing. The total number of casualties must have been horrifying, as more than 500,000 people were missing after the raid. Estimates from Swiss historians talk about a figure exceeding the number of victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki together.
6:10 German here, the order of the words is different. I hope that helps.
Or you take the tram and cross the “Blaues Wunder” / Blue Wonder Bridge
Fick meine alte gummi stiefel.
Das ist aber Herrvoragend.
Keep up the good work and I want to see you say "WhatOnEarthIsThat" about the steepest railway in the world.
(Sadly not a Funicular but just cable hauled)
Oooh where is that? Is that the Stoosbahn?
@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing Katoomba, Blue Mountains, Australia
@davyfella damn that looks really cool. Hopefully some day I'll get back to Australia to cover it!
@@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing then go to Cairns ride the Skyrail cable car to Kuranda
@@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing but, closer to home. You could go to the only mainline British railway station which doesn't have any rails or trains
Civilian/soldier wise the second disagreement sucked for both.
people in dresden only say schwebebahn. thats it
There is (or was - I think it recently closed) something vaguely similar (though far madder and more spectacular) - the 'Sky Rail' near Hiroshima, Japan. Something like a cross between a cable car and a suspended monorail. See ruclips.net/video/hGE_S4B2nec/видео.html
Is it technically a monorail?
No, monorails the carriages move independently along the single rail. While this has a single rail, it is dependent on the pulley and counter carriage (although a counterweight could be used instead).
Yes, it is! Just like in Wuppertal by the same Inventor
Actually, there IS a second suspended funicular: ruclips.net/user/shortsO3REHD6xJ1Y?si=qMy11F7AOaV1WFZZ
Schwebebahn. Not Scwhebebahn. 🙂
Sch is a kind of sh sound, but a bit "richer" in tone.
Ooh I'm actually not sure what the difference is!
Epilepsy warning please !
Or even better: change the intro.
Thanks.
I worried that might be a problem. I'll change it for future videos! Sorry about that, hope I didn't cause any health issues.
@@WhatOnEarthIsThisThing No worries. And if you need inspiration for a new intro: I think your channel was recommended to me because I watch Tim Traveller. His intro is rather amusing, and he even plays a bit of music himself in each video.
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Wupertalbahn in more absurd
On the contrary, the Wuppertal one has a practical background because they wanted a railway to run down the course of the river but both riversides were already built up with houses and streets, and dangling it from a floating track meant it could run on top of the river out of everyone's way. This on the other hand looks like a proof of concept, except that the Dresden one was actually approved after the Wuppertal one and they both started construction the same year and opened the same year. Maybe it was meant as a proof of concept that simply got delayed, or maybe it was meant as a proof of concept specifically for inclines that Langen hope would have practical appeal elsewhere.
Dresden: Germanys Hiroshima.
Most of your German pronunciation is pretty ok, but you're badly off the mark with the way you say the "Seil" element of Seilschwebebahn etc.
Seil is not pronounced like the English words "sale" and "sail" the way you do but like "zile" (i.e. mile but starting with a "z")!
Nooooo I tried so hard to get the pronunciations right! I should have looked up "seil"