I always thought it was specific necrons that had personalities while a majority were just following those said personalities before I knew it even was a change lol love this examination my dood 🫡
I really dont remember much of the old necrons lore. But I know I read the tyranid invasion lore first. Thought it was quite brutal. Then read necrons lore after and was shocked how dark it was. Read some later and just found myself wondering what got me the first time....
Honestly a good middle ground, and how I'm probably going to do mine, would be to have both. To non-necrons they are the old lore. Unknowable, soulless robots that cannot be communicated or reasoned with, who rise from the ground an exterminate all life around them. But to themselves are the newer Necrons. With personalities, characters, and actual goals, but who simply don't care about the rest of the galaxy.
Gotta agree. We could've had the best of both worlds in having some Necron lords with personality, some of which who have even split off from the C'tan-ruled majority, but what makes it impossible for me to like Newcrons is them being a "fading species" like the Eldar, and having made the C'tan nothing more than slaves, with dynastic noble houses jockeying for power. For god's sake, I've got more than enough non-stop factional infighting with Chaos and the Imperium, we didn't need a whole faction of that again to give more options for "your dudes".
I recently found your channel and it's already very cool, I love such small channels with interesting content, as for the topic of the video:For me, the old lore will always be more interesting because of the atmosphere it created and the concept of confrontation between order and chaos, the new lore has positive aspects, it's hard to deny, but the GW could have tried much better, my favorite version of the necrons is how they are represented in Xenology, lords are aristocrats with specific personalities, but they remain scary servants of the scary ancient gods, so GW, they could give the necrons individuality and some aristocracy, without turning C'tan into Pokemon and throwing most of the old lore into the trash (Which is why, for example, pariahs no longer exist),besides, this redcon demonstrates the favorite rhetoric of GW, it always was, it's just you fools, which they justify anything:For example, the recent redcon of custodes, which offended many fans,what I don't like is that,a good redcon should be well-founded in the context of the narrative, and not presented as a fact that has always been true.
I prefer to think of them as lacking any free will. It's like an animatronic Abraham Lincoln that "thinks" it's real. It's simultaneously pathetic and spooky.
So, has any of the Necron Old-Lore stuff been kept? Such as those classifications and protocols that the Imperium made? I have the OG Necron Codex, I was considering getting the next codex that comes out because your vids have interested me a lot in the faction and its history.
I'm glad that my videos have made them interesting to you! That's a good question, it's inspiring me to look into some more of the changes that have been made to their lore.
@@inquisitorvuln I would love to hear what you find, if you have enough material for it! Maybe a shorter video that could be, "What remained between the ' ' Retcons ' ' of the Necrons lore." A means to spread some positivity, show that GW didn't entirely invalidate what we Oldhammer Fans loved about the hobby too.
@@thrackerzodd3607 Unfortunately GW HAS functionally invalidated us Oldhammer fans when it comes to Necrons. There's nothing recognizable about the Newcrons from the Oldcrons other than their technology and (some) aesthetic.
Bro i was playing 40k during 3rd edition when the oldcrons codex came out. It was great. Then I quit 40k and started catching up with the development of the game 20 years later. It’s unrecognizable. I’m embarrassed for the people who feel compelled to defend this modern trash
The old lore has its own charm while the new lore gives them much needed variety, both in motivations & potential actions. Of the two I prefer the new lore but like you both are fine for me. I just don't like the inconsistancy & agenda pandering of the custodes change. It calls into question the old lore that astartes cannot be female & that the custodes were a brotherhood. I'm not against change but I'd rather additions that stick out, even in as stagnant a universe as 40k. Recent retcons that worsen consistency without adding much or any benefit to the audience/fans, it feels like shoving low quality fanfic into legendary story level out of place. The Tau were similar when they arrived but they again were additions, not retcons and that difference is big, thus why such a push back I feel is justified by fans. The very worst part of the change? They act like it isn't one, gaslighting those who love the old lore. They do not deserve to act that way towards those who have been loyal to the franchise despite soo many issues piling up. The sad part is that I saw things heading this way when they started being more exclusive for inclusivity sake, which backfired then to. All because Warhammer 40k is get more & more attention from people, good & bad.
I liked how cold and unknowable the Necrons used to be, what with genocidal gods using them for whatever purpose. Dawn of War 1 had the old personality of Necrons and it feels awesome. Narratively I understand they needed to inject some personality and motives other than "Kill everything", but GW was just so lazy about it by copying and pasting Tomb Kings lore. It makes the Necrons look petty and small moustache twisting bad guys when you have dynastic nobles in-fighting and claiming how superior they are all the time like they are WWE heels or something. They could have made something truly terrifying, like the Tyranids, had they tried just a little bit harder. It is NOTHING compared to how much they messed up with the Custodes lore, though.
starting to realize Oldhammer lore in general is better than new lore for a myriad of reasons. The nonsense retconning has made the lore quite generic.
Forreal. One of my favorite pieces of old lore was how Space Marine Dreadnoughts were chosen. In the current lore, they are made from Space Marines that have been wounded in battle. In the old lore, they were selected to be dreadnoughts during training, and had their arms and legs cut off to be placed into the sarcophagus. It makes me laugh because it's just so messed up. I incorporated that old lore into my homebrew chapter.
@@iannordin5250 Absolutely. In particular I think it added needless angst to have the whole "The Emperor never wanted to be a God" nonsense, and making Space Marines largely atheistic even into the 41st millennium. And, you know, making all the Chaos Primarchs into giant manbabies in their motivations. Don't even get me started on the Perpetuals, lmao.
@@inquisitorvuln Tbf, what you refer to as "current lore" dates back as far as the Oldcrons themselves, the Dreadnoughts being damaged marines interred has been around for 25 years. The chosen Dreadnought aspect is more Rogue Trader era, and there's a pretty clear split between Rogue Trader and early 2000s 40k lore.
Nope. New crons are wayyyyyy more interesting than another generic galaxy ending threat. More importantly, it never meshed with me that oldcron lore they tried to claim "they won" but just...went to sleep for billions of years while their enemies of Orks and Eldar just happened to have a kajillion year long empire across the stars. And didnt wake up until AFTER the extinction level events of Eldar Fall AND Horus Heresy. That is some Titan-Weapons Grade Copium.
Oldcron not win,the old necrons not win because of the Ctan civil war, instead of finishing off their enemies, the C'tan began to fight among themselves, instead of completing the pylon project, they again fought among themselves, as a result, the Eldar and Orcs rebuilt their armies, and proto chaos and enslavers became global threats,weakened civil war Ctan and necrons could not cope with this (And before you ask what is the difference from the new necrons, their problem is not that they are aristocrats or schemers (the old necrons were also them), but that they are metal people, and not evil ancient undead),I also disagree about the global threat argument, my opinion fantastic opposite of chaos is much more interesting than just another xenos race destroying itself and uniting with the Imperium against the Tyranids/Chaos.
You clearly haven't read the Oldcron lore if you reduce them down to "another generic galaxy ending threat". Especially since you made the blatant error of saying the Necrons won and wiped everyone out. The reason the Necrons slept was due to the C'tan starting to fight each other after they'd killed most of the galaxy but hadn't finished the job, which is why small remnants were able to regrow and repopulate the galaxy over the course of millions of years.
@@LordVader1094 Oldcron lore reduced them to another "generic" threat because at the time of 3.5 edition the same "could destroy the galaxy" was already applied to Nids, Chaos, and the freaking ORKS. That is the definition of generic, particularly with the absolute dearth of characterization they had. Beep boop no personality and hungering C'tan. Only the Deceiver had anything approaching a MAYBE personality. Of the few reasons given to try and excuse the incongruous insertion of Oldcrons into the wider setting, their killing of too much life was one along with "the Enslavers showed up!" which make the then assertion of "we totally won, bro!" make no sense. Not only did their enemies, the Eldar, run the galaxy, not likely to happen if Oldcron won, no other history mentioned the Enslavers, and to "wake up" when the Galaxy had LESS LIFE in it (Pre Fall of Eldar and Pre Heresy having more life around) made the Oldcron lore fit like a non-Euclidean peg in a square hole.
Its only going to get worst. The Warhammer that you know and love is being cannabalized by Amazon executives. When they are finished it will be unrecognizable.
I always preferred oldcron lore personally. The C'tan should have been the ones to get the focus with their crazy personalities.
I agree. I've been finding ways to incorporate more of the old lore vibe into my necron army.
I always thought it was specific necrons that had personalities while a majority were just following those said personalities before I knew it even was a change lol love this examination my dood 🫡
Thank you! I'm actually inspired to look more into it now
Yes. Next question.
yes, make a video about a Necron A.I., that would be awesome!
I really dont remember much of the old necrons lore. But I know I read the tyranid invasion lore first. Thought it was quite brutal. Then read necrons lore after and was shocked how dark it was.
Read some later and just found myself wondering what got me the first time....
Honestly a good middle ground, and how I'm probably going to do mine, would be to have both. To non-necrons they are the old lore. Unknowable, soulless robots that cannot be communicated or reasoned with, who rise from the ground an exterminate all life around them. But to themselves are the newer Necrons. With personalities, characters, and actual goals, but who simply don't care about the rest of the galaxy.
I like Old Necron lore better. Cosmic horror robots are way cooler than space Tomb Kings.
Gotta agree. We could've had the best of both worlds in having some Necron lords with personality, some of which who have even split off from the C'tan-ruled majority, but what makes it impossible for me to like Newcrons is them being a "fading species" like the Eldar, and having made the C'tan nothing more than slaves, with dynastic noble houses jockeying for power.
For god's sake, I've got more than enough non-stop factional infighting with Chaos and the Imperium, we didn't need a whole faction of that again to give more options for "your dudes".
I recently found your channel and it's already very cool, I love such small channels with interesting content, as for the topic of the video:For me, the old lore will always be more interesting because of the atmosphere it created and the concept of confrontation between order and chaos, the new lore has positive aspects, it's hard to deny, but the GW could have tried much better, my favorite version of the necrons is how they are represented in Xenology, lords are aristocrats with specific personalities, but they remain scary servants of the scary ancient gods, so GW, they could give the necrons individuality and some aristocracy, without turning C'tan into Pokemon and throwing most of the old lore into the trash (Which is why, for example, pariahs no longer exist),besides, this redcon demonstrates the favorite rhetoric of GW, it always was, it's just you fools, which they justify anything:For example, the recent redcon of custodes, which offended many fans,what I don't like is that,a good redcon should be well-founded in the context of the narrative, and not presented as a fact that has always been true.
I prefer to think of them as lacking any free will. It's like an animatronic Abraham Lincoln that "thinks" it's real. It's simultaneously pathetic and spooky.
Hell yea!!
Newcron lore could've been handled better I suppose if the C'Tan were given character treatment and the necrons remained as soulless husks.
Also if Pariahs hadn't been removed so we could have an altered human POV of the faction from the inside.
So, has any of the Necron Old-Lore stuff been kept? Such as those classifications and protocols that the Imperium made? I have the OG Necron Codex, I was considering getting the next codex that comes out because your vids have interested me a lot in the faction and its history.
I'm glad that my videos have made them interesting to you! That's a good question, it's inspiring me to look into some more of the changes that have been made to their lore.
@@inquisitorvuln I would love to hear what you find, if you have enough material for it! Maybe a shorter video that could be, "What remained between the ' ' Retcons ' ' of the Necrons lore." A means to spread some positivity, show that GW didn't entirely invalidate what we Oldhammer Fans loved about the hobby too.
@@thrackerzodd3607 Unfortunately GW HAS functionally invalidated us Oldhammer fans when it comes to Necrons. There's nothing recognizable about the Newcrons from the Oldcrons other than their technology and (some) aesthetic.
Necrons are trying to get their souls back,
Bro i was playing 40k during 3rd edition when the oldcrons codex came out. It was great. Then I quit 40k and started catching up with the development of the game 20 years later. It’s unrecognizable. I’m embarrassed for the people who feel compelled to defend this modern trash
The old lore has its own charm while the new lore gives them much needed variety, both in motivations & potential actions. Of the two I prefer the new lore but like you both are fine for me. I just don't like the inconsistancy & agenda pandering of the custodes change. It calls into question the old lore that astartes cannot be female & that the custodes were a brotherhood. I'm not against change but I'd rather additions that stick out, even in as stagnant a universe as 40k. Recent retcons that worsen consistency without adding much or any benefit to the audience/fans, it feels like shoving low quality fanfic into legendary story level out of place. The Tau were similar when they arrived but they again were additions, not retcons and that difference is big, thus why such a push back I feel is justified by fans. The very worst part of the change? They act like it isn't one, gaslighting those who love the old lore. They do not deserve to act that way towards those who have been loyal to the franchise despite soo many issues piling up. The sad part is that I saw things heading this way when they started being more exclusive for inclusivity sake, which backfired then to. All because Warhammer 40k is get more & more attention from people, good & bad.
I liked how cold and unknowable the Necrons used to be, what with genocidal gods using them for whatever purpose. Dawn of War 1 had the old personality of Necrons and it feels awesome. Narratively I understand they needed to inject some personality and motives other than "Kill everything", but GW was just so lazy about it by copying and pasting Tomb Kings lore. It makes the Necrons look petty and small moustache twisting bad guys when you have dynastic nobles in-fighting and claiming how superior they are all the time like they are WWE heels or something. They could have made something truly terrifying, like the Tyranids, had they tried just a little bit harder. It is NOTHING compared to how much they messed up with the Custodes lore, though.
starting to realize Oldhammer lore in general is better than new lore for a myriad of reasons. The nonsense retconning has made the lore quite generic.
Forreal. One of my favorite pieces of old lore was how Space Marine Dreadnoughts were chosen. In the current lore, they are made from Space Marines that have been wounded in battle. In the old lore, they were selected to be dreadnoughts during training, and had their arms and legs cut off to be placed into the sarcophagus. It makes me laugh because it's just so messed up. I incorporated that old lore into my homebrew chapter.
I feel like the Horus Heresy in general has blighted the lore for a while now
@@iannordin5250 Absolutely. In particular I think it added needless angst to have the whole "The Emperor never wanted to be a God" nonsense, and making Space Marines largely atheistic even into the 41st millennium.
And, you know, making all the Chaos Primarchs into giant manbabies in their motivations.
Don't even get me started on the Perpetuals, lmao.
@@inquisitorvuln Tbf, what you refer to as "current lore" dates back as far as the Oldcrons themselves, the Dreadnoughts being damaged marines interred has been around for 25 years. The chosen Dreadnought aspect is more Rogue Trader era, and there's a pretty clear split between Rogue Trader and early 2000s 40k lore.
Nope. New crons are wayyyyyy more interesting than another generic galaxy ending threat.
More importantly, it never meshed with me that oldcron lore they tried to claim "they won" but just...went to sleep for billions of years while their enemies of Orks and Eldar just happened to have a kajillion year long empire across the stars.
And didnt wake up until AFTER the extinction level events of Eldar Fall AND Horus Heresy.
That is some Titan-Weapons Grade Copium.
Oldcron not win,the old necrons not win because of the Ctan civil war, instead of finishing off their enemies, the C'tan began to fight among themselves, instead of completing the pylon project, they again fought among themselves, as a result, the Eldar and Orcs rebuilt their armies, and proto chaos and enslavers became global threats,weakened civil war Ctan and necrons could not cope with this (And before you ask what is the difference from the new necrons, their problem is not that they are aristocrats or schemers (the old necrons were also them), but that they are metal people, and not evil ancient undead),I also disagree about the global threat argument, my opinion fantastic opposite of chaos is much more interesting than just another xenos race destroying itself and uniting with the Imperium against the Tyranids/Chaos.
You clearly haven't read the Oldcron lore if you reduce them down to "another generic galaxy ending threat".
Especially since you made the blatant error of saying the Necrons won and wiped everyone out. The reason the Necrons slept was due to the C'tan starting to fight each other after they'd killed most of the galaxy but hadn't finished the job, which is why small remnants were able to regrow and repopulate the galaxy over the course of millions of years.
@@LordVader1094 Oldcron lore reduced them to another "generic" threat because at the time of 3.5 edition the same "could destroy the galaxy" was already applied to Nids, Chaos, and the freaking ORKS.
That is the definition of generic, particularly with the absolute dearth of characterization they had.
Beep boop no personality and hungering C'tan. Only the Deceiver had anything approaching a MAYBE personality.
Of the few reasons given to try and excuse the incongruous insertion of Oldcrons into the wider setting, their killing of too much life was one along with "the Enslavers showed up!" which make the then assertion of "we totally won, bro!" make no sense.
Not only did their enemies, the Eldar, run the galaxy, not likely to happen if Oldcron won, no other history mentioned the Enslavers, and to "wake up" when the Galaxy had LESS LIFE in it (Pre Fall of Eldar and Pre Heresy having more life around) made the Oldcron lore fit like a non-Euclidean peg in a square hole.
Its only going to get worst.
The Warhammer that you know and love is being cannabalized by Amazon executives. When they are finished it will be unrecognizable.
I've already made my own Warhammer 40k universe. I don't care what GW does anymore. I don't depend on them.
@@inquisitorvuln Based, I'm trying to work on doing that myself.